I recently rolled perils with my librarian, who died as a result of it, and dealt 3 MWs to 3 of my different units around him (yes I rolled each one seperately), and 1-2 to another couple. It was definitely the most memorable perils I think I've ever seen.
My buddy killed his Grey Knight HQ and three other men in our first game of 40k (it was killteam) and it was such a bittersweet moment as my Chaos Marines swept up the rest of them
After about six months of watching lore videos I'm building my first army. Building it around the phobos librarian because it was the first model I saw that really made me want to paint it. New year, New hobby.
I played a game last night as Blood Angels and got off a lucky Null Zone against Mortarion and proceeded to beat the living heck out of him with my Sang Guard, Cpt on Bike, and Redemptor Dread. He got left with one wound left and I killed him with my own Librarian's sword getting a single hit with a single wound. It was pretty epic.
You know that the Black Templars don't have any Librarians, yet you chose to include them anyway. You didn't have to add in that gag, but you did. This is why you're the best competitive 40k channel.
Mephiston is the character that got me into 40k in the 90's. I started so I could play him. Needless to say I'm still pretty attached to the character. I just wish he could cast null zone. BA don't really need another fast melee character and in the novels, Mephiston can do a lot more than what the Sanguinary Discipline has to offer. The standard librarian seems to be the better choice a lot of the time.
Glad Ezekiel is getting some love, considering a standard librarian only has a 3+ save, I think big E’z 2+/4++ is a massive step up in survivability. Worth the investment if you’re good at using the amazing DA specific abilities
Within my gaming group there’s not much denying capability (half armies don’t even get pyskers) so my DA librarian is quite happy throwing aversion and EF everywhere
Don’t forget that you can give salamander librarian tome of Velcona for fire shield to go along with psychic fortress and what ever to buff up those redemptors or units even more
Part of my keeps looking at Dorn's angriest boys to be a shutdown Psyker force, and honestly there are enough rules to remember another set of powers is hard enough and skipping a phase speeds play so you can get folks who are used to certain rhythms off a step.
Been using a chief phobos Librarian for my ravenguard successors. Have the umbral form for the 4+ invun and the spectral blade makes him decently fighty to help awing some combats and the block overwatch power is handy. He's done well enough in my games so far
Blood Angles Librarian dreadnought is so much fun to use when you have wings and quick. When you rush it up the field with a bunch of vanguard vets as bodyguards. Try it. It's great
@@davidbowles7281 speed of the primarch and psychic mastery (Angel Exemplar for 2 warlord traits) is what I give my warlord Librarian dreadnought. Not lost it yet in a game since I started using vanguard veterans with jump packs and storm shields as body guards.
An interesting combo is with Imperial Fists using Chasm (I think that's the one) to have a -2" to charge in a 12" bubble. Put it near a vehicle with the grav strat and you can make an opponent have -4" charge
I play Black Templars but for some reason whenever I deploy him on the table I turn back the miniature has been reduced to a little tiny pile of grey dust, with my whole black templar army surrounding it
I bought a Phobos Librarian because he looks dope as hell, same reason I bought Eliminators the same day. I just started a Dark Angels army so I guess it’s pretty good that I have some good powers
I'm honestly surprised how many top lists ran a Lib, I always thought they seemed overpriced, both for what they bring and compared to a chaplain or Captain for a limited HQ slot. Not that their buffs are bad, but why not get similar from a Chaplain that can't be denied and the Chaplain tends to be a better beatstick body too. The other route that I'd like to see them compared to is an Inquisitor for 60ish points to still get the deny, smite, and secondary option.
The white scars psychic power for +2adv and charge is only half as good as it looks. You cast it AFTER the movement phase so on the turn it's cast the unit only gets +2 charge and then your FOLLOWING movement phase, before the psychic phase the unit get to use the advance bonus. Not that it doesn't have it's uses but the advance bonus is only going to help the charge bonus if you cast it two turns in a row.
Used my Terminator Librarian is a couple games recently, mainly just spamming Veil of Time and Might of Heroes on Captain or Champion 10/10 would (and will) pick him again
Iron Hands Librarian can assistant a Dreadnought well. You have to roll psychic test but get greater range on their abilities over a Techmarine. It's not essential to have them start on the table either as IH's get a DTW strategem.
The model image at 3:36 looks like he is trying to squash someone in-between his fingers at range like a kid. I doubt that is what he is doing but.....
I think I’ll try a chief librarian in the Ultramarines next time I’ll fight orks or tyranids against low morale hordes: storms of the emperors wrath for an unit in size greater than 12 should beat smite in avg damage; followed by telepathic assault which again should be a good option for enemy with ld 7 or lower; and top that with a smite. Worth a try? Should be fun if it actually works. Other time just try to cast some smites, protect self with precognition and try to get some cp :)
I rarely use Librarians, but the one time I do is in my Red Scorpions list vs a thousand sons list with Sevrin Loth and a unit of Eliminators. He has a rule that allows a friendly unit to reroll wounds vs Psykers.
Hey Auspex, could you maybe do a video comparing the Grey Knights psychic capacity against other armies like SM? As a long time GK player, I find that it's just stupid that our Grand Masters have lost one cast, specially vVoldus, and that our disciplines don't seem as good as other like Librarius itself. Could you do a comparison? Thank you!
I really like the Phobos Librarian now, once I realized that he could take the chapter specific discilplines instead of the the disappointing obscuration one.It's just 5 points more than the primaris, but he's got the camo cloak, forward deployment and then some phobos shenanigans (strats and warlord traits) on top. I don't know what other people think about the phobos warlord traits - but I really like them when I field a lot of phobos units. Master of the vanguard for some possible first turn charges, or lord of deceit for redeploying the blob of incursors. And the libby can buff or try some cheeky smites/witchfires. I know, it's more for haressment, but as long as they focus on the phobos lib and his merry men, that's a win for me.
I feel like the Emperor's Spears' Druidic Talisman deserves mention here. A 1/turn cast reroll for the cost of a relic is AT LEAST solid, and stacking that with Psychic Mastery creates a ridiculously reliable caster.
I think that the fists powers are better than they are represented here. -2 to charge ranges within 12" is a pretty big range and very useful. The D3 heal is useful, but I generally dont use it. Aspect of stone is a great way to make the librarian much harder to kill and better at killing, becoming S and T 6. Can be stacked to murder with even more buffs if you really wanted to, but the main draw is T6 if you expect damage coming your way. Finally, chasm is a very useful spell against infantry units. The target only has to be visible and in range, and cant fly. So you can use it to snipe characters who have been injured if you're close enough. Average infantry move is 6", average on 2d6 is 7, so more often than not you get 3 MW. Maybe not as high potential as a super smite, but generally more reliable. Iron inferno and wrack & ruin arent as good.
I really want to take a librarian using Indomitus Discipline to farm CP, but there really seems to be nothing else in that discipline I really want. So I'll probably end up picking from Librarius Discipline instead. If I could pick one from each, that would be perfect. But that isn't allowed. And I don't see myself fielding TWO librarians any time soon.
I'm taking a culexus and abhor the witch secondary in a tournament if i know their are grey knights and 1000 sons. Though i have used a chief libby, i take physic fortress for extra defense for dreadnoughts. And veil of time and null zone are very good tools.
I also think its safe to say that you don't need to take a librarian to do wounds in the psychic phase in case of Ctan/Ghazzkul. You never see those models on the table anymore, they are worthless.
Is this somewhat the same for the Chaos legions? I've got a librarian in my Iron Warriors with a jump pack that uses Warp Time and Prescience to bring my assault defiler to the front lines in a swinging mood.
Auspex mate, thanks for the heads up on being able 'cast on the Advance', I had no idea. About to play my first Libby on Monday with a fast moving Assault army. The one thing I find lame about Chief Librarian is it doesn't add anything to the range of Powers (sans DTW) , an extra 6" to all powers, I'd buy that for a 1PL Dollar!
Imperial fists may struggle in 9th but their psychic powers fuckin slap imo, -2 on the charge phase to enemy units. Plus a warpfire spell to do mortals to all units within 6 inches of the point in which the spell was laid. plus a free ranged heal I think are all pretty solid options
To be honest, almost every time I used them they disappointed me. And I think it might have some to do with me dropping them next to my frontline dudes. Only times I didn't regret taking a libby was when I played against someone who relied heavily on his psychic powers and took relic for better deny the witch. I will try to have them as a buffer unit as far from the frontline as possible in the future. I had a sneaking suspicion that I did it wrong.
I run Ezekiel in my list. In addition to being a solid psyker, he's pretty tanky. 2+, 4++, then transhuman physiology from being an inner circle infantry
@@donnerrob6615 He's just that much of a pimp, even his bolt pistol is custom and he has a +1 attack bubble too. He's stupidly good compared to no-name librarians.
@@frostedbutts4340 of course he is...meanwhile Njal in his runic terminator Armour, which has a lore Background of being extra protective and had a 4++ in 8th, for some reason has now only a 5++ crux terminatus safe...but I guess a permanent transhuman and an unexplainable 2+ wasn't good enough for dark Angels...he has a key after all, which are commonly known to be storm shields -.- It seems DA just have to be broken good in literally EVERY way this edition...
Unless you're really hungry for points, a psyker is always a good addition in a list, even for just denying enemy's powers Skipping a phase is rarely worth it
It's funny; I remember a time long ago when Force weapons were a wonderful reason to take psyker units that could; Instant Death was a great power, if the unit was simply strong enough, and hardy enough, to get through the assault. This video, I'm not entirely sure I even heard a mention of them, and Astartes are among the best close combat armies in the game. As an RP person, and one who almost always fronts a Wizard, when possible, I've always liked Psykers, and Librarians among the Space Marines, so it's too bad they ate now so 50/50. It also makes me sad for Guard pruners. I know this is Astartes, but it paints a similar picture to me. Guard are barely melee-capable, apart from some Bullgryn stuff, and I guess dedicated Catachan, though I like Cadians more, so even if Firce weapons were still powerful, the Primaris carrying it probably couldn't afford to risk his mortal hide to try, and every video I see shows how they aren't really worth it, and Wyrdvanes AREN'T worth it, which leaves mental radio half-psykers, who are really only good for buffs. I wonder if Inquisitor payers can fill that void. Otherwise, good thing we still have Eldar. 😁 Regardless of my whining, a good video. It could be fun to use one with White Scars; always wanted a bike army, or Space Wolves.
Seeing the librarian in phobos armour just raises the question as to why Lieutenant in Phobos armour doesn't get deep strike at deployment stage as well; its like they just forgot about it.
@@frostedbutts4340 he gets it from death from above which means turn 2, he doesn't get concealed positions like the other phobos headquarter options. This means I can't deep strike him at the same time as infiltrators or incursors.
@@nathanthom8176 Oh I see what you mean. Deep Strike is teleporting / jumping onto the table turn 1 / 2, Infiltrate is when you setup there The Reiver LT gets neither which is complete BS
@@frostedbutts4340 sorry, I have a habit of using the terms interchangeably as they do the same thing but one is at deployment and the other is in the movement phase; only been playing for 4 months. You are right the normal reiver unit at least get grav-chute as an wargear option (or grapple). It's like they chose to make lieutenants for certain units and then took away thier ability to deploy with said units.
Comparing the reliability and force multiplication between a master of sanctity and a Cheif librarian it seems like the librarian is second choice by a long way. Psychic can be denied, you can hurt yourself and you have to roll a worse than 5/6 chance to get the power to a level that is can be denied. The abhor the witch secondary gets locked out as well. Running blood Angel's if you use the Soulwarden WLT for a 5+++ against mortal wounds and a culexus assassin to downgrade your opponents psychic then I can't see a reason to bring a librarian (except maybe the Dread as a beat stick)
Librarians are always going to be competing with Chaplain for the 2nd/3rd HQ slot. I like them but it's always going to be a gamble with casting rolls, perils and deny while a Chaplain comes with an inbuilt 4+ invulnerable save, a flat 66% chance of success for litanies (85% chance with MoS) and it feels more logical to get them in the right place given the short range on the powers. The only thing not mentioned in the video was that they are useful for dealing with Phase limited wound models like Ghazgkull & C'Tan but it GK/TS are more active in the meta then those units might be less prevalent also.
I always take a Terminator Libby. He's a legend now but it overcomes their main weakness of being easy to kill. Stormshield on him so he's pretty tough.
I was thinking the same thing for my Deathwing detachment. What is Legends? It says on Battlescribe they can only have a Storm Shield if you’re playing Legends.
@@hiddenleaf414 it's models GW no longer make so they don't include rules for them in the codex. To not just completely abandon the people that own the models already they put the models into legends and give them rules in an ancillaries book somewhere. You can play them socially but not generally at tournaments because they aren't 'balanced'. Which is an utter joke considering how terrible the balance in 40k is.
Librarians are great, specially for Blood Angels that lack good strats and can fall on some cliches and often are a very predictable list. The chapter has the best librarian units with Lib Dread and the single most badass librarian, the Lord of Death Himself, Mephiston. Mephi is just a beast.
They're so useful, but my group uses older rules for perils, apparently written by some mad Arab. Alhaz-something? Anyway, the worst that can happen is both quantitatively and qualitatively worse than just throwing MWs around. Getting warp-swapped for a daemon does not ingratiate one to one's allies at the table. It makes rampant Librarianing FAR riskier when the proverbial hot stove is also hooked up to the local power grid. I still use mine because the Promethean discipline is just too useful. That said, I do make sure to keep him as safe as possible while still being within range. I have a standard guy who uses the Promethean discipline and a Phobos for my Infiltrators if I use them. I'll be getting a regular Primaris soon to use the Librarius stuff, or at least that'll be my excuse for buying the mini. Which one I bring depending on matchup/whim.
I've been converting a Technomancer for my Iron Hands successors. Objuration Mechanicum looks fun enough to try out, but I guess it isn't all that optimal.
That's what I always thought. Subpar marine body, single deny, decent powers, but not really better than the cheaper Chaplain's undeniable ones. Until I saw the breakdown of how many lists are using a Librarian anyways I was hoping for like a 5-10pt drop and a drop on the chief upgrade.
I'm not much of a fan. They just bring too many downsides. Admittedly they're better for some Chapters than others, but overall I much prefer Chaplains. Chaplains are more reliable when you give then the Command upgrade and Wise Orator. You consistently get two solid buffs a turn from your Chaplain and you can pay CP to auto pass if you desperately need one of them to go off. Librarians are inconsistent. They can flub psychic tests, they can be denied, they can Perils, they deny you the ability to pick Abhor as a secondary AND you get screwed against Thousand Sons where they dunk on you with their faction secondary and effortlessly max 15 against your one poor Psyker.
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My army would probably benefit from a librarian. Unfortunately, I play melee T'au and thus can't use them.
I think your army could benefit from a different army, Pretty much ANY different army.
You madman. What inspired such a unique strategy as melee in the army who is easily weakest in melee? Just for the hell of it?
The only army that is more respectable than full-ranged Tyranids. Truly exceptional.
Combat Tau!
You play what? I'm sorry, it seems like you typed "melee T'au"
I recently rolled perils with my librarian, who died as a result of it, and dealt 3 MWs to 3 of my different units around him (yes I rolled each one seperately), and 1-2 to another couple. It was definitely the most memorable perils I think I've ever seen.
Big Oof
My buddy killed his Grey Knight HQ and three other men in our first game of 40k (it was killteam) and it was such a bittersweet moment as my Chaos Marines swept up the rest of them
After about six months of watching lore videos I'm building my first army. Building it around the phobos librarian because it was the first model I saw that really made me want to paint it. New year, New hobby.
“1in every 18 casts” *flashes back to a game against grey knights where he got 7 perils and command rerolled 4 of them and they still went through*
Oof
Last game turn 1 had 3 perils turn 1 as tsons with 8 casts...
I played a game last night as Blood Angels and got off a lucky Null Zone against Mortarion and proceeded to beat the living heck out of him with my Sang Guard, Cpt on Bike, and Redemptor Dread. He got left with one wound left and I killed him with my own Librarian's sword getting a single hit with a single wound. It was pretty epic.
Libby dread best librarian. Although though having a jump pack librarian is handy too in some lists.
@@aify5883 Mephiston is a good option against a more psyker oriented army as he has two deny the witches whilst most librarians will only get the one.
That IS epic man! A game to remember!
"it was pretty epic" *dreamworks smirk rides off on a skateboard* jk man sounds fun.
You know that the Black Templars don't have any Librarians, yet you chose to include them anyway. You didn't have to add in that gag, but you did. This is why you're the best competitive 40k channel.
Of course the only Marines following the Emperor's command about witches being Marines need mentioning. :)
Funny white scar Laibarian flying around in a jump pack shooting red lighting and making bikes fly in the air
Mephiston is the character that got me into 40k in the 90's. I started so I could play him. Needless to say I'm still pretty attached to the character. I just wish he could cast null zone. BA don't really need another fast melee character and in the novels, Mephiston can do a lot more than what the Sanguinary Discipline has to offer. The standard librarian seems to be the better choice a lot of the time.
I think his extra deny the witch is also really valuable against psyker heavy armies.
@@nathanthom8176 that's an excellent point. With Thousand Sons on the prowl, he adds more value than ever, it seems.
Glad Ezekiel is getting some love, considering a standard librarian only has a 3+ save, I think big E’z 2+/4++ is a massive step up in survivability. Worth the investment if you’re good at using the amazing DA specific abilities
Definitely- he also has permanent transhuman physiology as well!
Plus since he's Inner Circle he has permanent Transhuman too!
Its too bad he cant be run with pure ravenwing cause he cant keep up. I wish he could take a JP
DA need big nerfs. Their rules are retarded.
Within my gaming group there’s not much denying capability (half armies don’t even get pyskers) so my DA librarian is quite happy throwing aversion and EF everywhere
Ezekiel used Mind Wipe..its Super Effective
Don’t forget that you can give salamander librarian tome of Velcona for fire shield to go along with psychic fortress and what ever to buff up those redemptors or units even more
Part of my keeps looking at Dorn's angriest boys to be a shutdown Psyker force, and honestly there are enough rules to remember another set of powers is hard enough and skipping a phase speeds play so you can get folks who are used to certain rhythms off a step.
Chief Tiggy is pretty great. Also just generally the 5++ aura is excellent for my troops.
Been using a chief phobos Librarian for my ravenguard successors. Have the umbral form for the 4+ invun and the spectral blade makes him decently fighty to help awing some combats and the block overwatch power is handy. He's done well enough in my games so far
Such a selfish greedy bloodthirsty sneaky beaky libby, should try
@@romanlizun5289 hes got a mastercrafted force sword too ;)
Blood Angles Librarian dreadnought is so much fun to use when you have wings and quick. When you rush it up the field with a bunch of vanguard vets as bodyguards. Try it. It's great
No invuln, so it dies super fast.
@@davidbowles7281 speed of the primarch and psychic mastery (Angel Exemplar for 2 warlord traits) is what I give my warlord Librarian dreadnought. Not lost it yet in a game since I started using vanguard veterans with jump packs and storm shields as body guards.
An interesting combo is with Imperial Fists using Chasm (I think that's the one) to have a -2" to charge in a 12" bubble. Put it near a vehicle with the grav strat and you can make an opponent have -4" charge
I play Black Templars but for some reason whenever I deploy him on the table I turn back the miniature has been reduced to a little tiny pile of grey dust, with my whole black templar army surrounding it
I like the Chapter Specific Black Templar Librarian - 'shakes parts bin'
I bought a Phobos Librarian because he looks dope as hell, same reason I bought Eliminators the same day. I just started a Dark Angels army so I guess it’s pretty good that I have some good powers
Definitely grab some Incursors/Infiltrators at that point. Obscuration is pretty neat as long as you have the boys for it
The Phobos librarian is a great model for a custom Ezekiel as well
Veil of time on my 10 man VV vet squad when I'm running White Scars is just so damn wonderful
I always associate that the ideal 3 (for Space Marines) are a Captain, Chaplain, and Librarian.
SANGUINARY PRIEEEEEEEST
The Apothecary is crying manly in the corner
Apothecary is an elite choice though. Feel free to apply them into your list as well.
I'm honestly surprised how many top lists ran a Lib, I always thought they seemed overpriced, both for what they bring and compared to a chaplain or Captain for a limited HQ slot. Not that their buffs are bad, but why not get similar from a Chaplain that can't be denied and the Chaplain tends to be a better beatstick body too. The other route that I'd like to see them compared to is an Inquisitor for 60ish points to still get the deny, smite, and secondary option.
Phobos librarian looks cooler than generals and chaplains
Not spiky enough, must possess them all.
Psykermon!
The white scars psychic power for +2adv and charge is only half as good as it looks. You cast it AFTER the movement phase so on the turn it's cast the unit only gets +2 charge and then your FOLLOWING movement phase, before the psychic phase the unit get to use the advance bonus. Not that it doesn't have it's uses but the advance bonus is only going to help the charge bonus if you cast it two turns in a row.
Used my Terminator Librarian is a couple games recently, mainly just spamming Veil of Time and Might of Heroes on Captain or Champion
10/10 would (and will) pick him again
Give us biker librarian GW!!
Iron Hands Librarian can assistant a Dreadnought well. You have to roll psychic test but get greater range on their abilities over a Techmarine.
It's not essential to have them start on the table either as IH's get a DTW strategem.
The model image at 3:36 looks like he is trying to squash someone in-between his fingers at range like a kid.
I doubt that is what he is doing but.....
Me watching this video as a fervent Black templars player:
*hmm, yes... very interesting...*
Zealous Crusader screaming intensifies
I think I’ll try a chief librarian in the Ultramarines next time I’ll fight orks or tyranids against low morale hordes: storms of the emperors wrath for an unit in size greater than 12 should beat smite in avg damage; followed by telepathic assault which again should be a good option for enemy with ld 7 or lower; and top that with a smite. Worth a try? Should be fun if it actually works. Other time just try to cast some smites, protect self with precognition and try to get some cp :)
I've got one, mainly to boost my Assault Intercessors to hit harder and get into combat
I rarely use Librarians, but the one time I do is in my Red Scorpions list vs a thousand sons list with Sevrin Loth and a unit of Eliminators. He has a rule that allows a friendly unit to reroll wounds vs Psykers.
Hey Auspex, could you maybe do a video comparing the Grey Knights psychic capacity against other armies like SM? As a long time GK player, I find that it's just stupid that our Grand Masters have lost one cast, specially vVoldus, and that our disciplines don't seem as good as other like Librarius itself. Could you do a comparison? Thank you!
Outstanding Video, narration and information!
I really like the Phobos Librarian now, once I realized that he could take the chapter specific discilplines instead of the the disappointing obscuration one.It's just 5 points more than the primaris, but he's got the camo cloak, forward deployment and then some phobos shenanigans (strats and warlord traits) on top.
I don't know what other people think about the phobos warlord traits - but I really like them when I field a lot of phobos units. Master of the vanguard for some possible first turn charges, or lord of deceit for redeploying the blob of incursors. And the libby can buff or try some cheeky smites/witchfires. I know, it's more for haressment, but as long as they focus on the phobos lib and his merry men, that's a win for me.
In my Guard Regiment Psykers go to the same Farm the Commisars went to.
I'm building a Raven guard, psy teleporter ninja army slowly. It's a little bit sad to see spell on the bottom tree
My IH Librarian is Repulsor Monkey. +1 to save, -1 to damage, reroll hits, repair, reroll woound and damage. Totally worth it.
I feel like the Emperor's Spears' Druidic Talisman deserves mention here. A 1/turn cast reroll for the cost of a relic is AT LEAST solid, and stacking that with Psychic Mastery creates a ridiculously reliable caster.
As a thousand sons player I think everyone should run a single librarian
Only a single one, no more, with ulitility powers too
@@beejaabee30 of course, I also think they should leave him as the closest model to one of my sorcerers. Just for fun you know?
My Flesh Tearers Phobos Libra with armor of indomitus and the imperiums sword warlord treat is probably the biggest threat in my army.
I think that the fists powers are better than they are represented here. -2 to charge ranges within 12" is a pretty big range and very useful. The D3 heal is useful, but I generally dont use it. Aspect of stone is a great way to make the librarian much harder to kill and better at killing, becoming S and T 6. Can be stacked to murder with even more buffs if you really wanted to, but the main draw is T6 if you expect damage coming your way. Finally, chasm is a very useful spell against infantry units. The target only has to be visible and in range, and cant fly. So you can use it to snipe characters who have been injured if you're close enough. Average infantry move is 6", average on 2d6 is 7, so more often than not you get 3 MW. Maybe not as high potential as a super smite, but generally more reliable. Iron inferno and wrack & ruin arent as good.
I really want to take a librarian using Indomitus Discipline to farm CP, but there really seems to be nothing else in that discipline I really want. So I'll probably end up picking from Librarius Discipline instead.
If I could pick one from each, that would be perfect. But that isn't allowed. And I don't see myself fielding TWO librarians any time soon.
Tigurius is such a good unit imo.
I'm taking a culexus and abhor the witch secondary in a tournament if i know their are grey knights and 1000 sons. Though i have used a chief libby, i take physic fortress for extra defense for dreadnoughts. And veil of time and null zone are very good tools.
*laugh in black templar*
I also think its safe to say that you don't need to take a librarian to do wounds in the psychic phase in case of Ctan/Ghazzkul. You never see those models on the table anymore, they are worthless.
Is this somewhat the same for the Chaos legions? I've got a librarian in my Iron Warriors with a jump pack that uses Warp Time and Prescience to bring my assault defiler to the front lines in a swinging mood.
Enjoy Warp Time while it's still usable on vehicles
Thousand sons player here; yes. Every one should take a free 15 VP for me stapled to their army list
Aren't librarians the only options some chapters like White Scars have for a psyker?
Auspex mate, thanks for the heads up on being able 'cast on the Advance', I had no idea. About to play my first Libby on Monday with a fast moving Assault army. The one thing I find lame about Chief Librarian is it doesn't add anything to the range of Powers (sans DTW) , an extra 6" to all powers, I'd buy that for a 1PL Dollar!
No trouble :)
Imperial fists may struggle in 9th but their psychic powers fuckin slap imo, -2 on the charge phase to enemy units. Plus a warpfire spell to do mortals to all units within 6 inches of the point in which the spell was laid. plus a free ranged heal I think are all pretty solid options
I just wish Gee Dubs hadn't punted the Librarian on Bike into "legends".
God I hope we get a Primaris Bike-brarian at least
To be honest, almost every time I used them they disappointed me. And I think it might have some to do with me dropping them next to my frontline dudes. Only times I didn't regret taking a libby was when I played against someone who relied heavily on his psychic powers and took relic for better deny the witch.
I will try to have them as a buffer unit as far from the frontline as possible in the future. I had a sneaking suspicion that I did it wrong.
I run Ezekiel in my list. In addition to being a solid psyker, he's pretty tanky.
2+, 4++, then transhuman physiology from being an inner circle infantry
Wait...why tf does ezekiel have a 2+ save and a 4++ invun?!
@@donnerrob6615 He's just that much of a pimp, even his bolt pistol is custom and he has a +1 attack bubble too.
He's stupidly good compared to no-name librarians.
@@frostedbutts4340 of course he is...meanwhile Njal in his runic terminator Armour, which has a lore Background of being extra protective and had a 4++ in 8th, for some reason has now only a 5++ crux terminatus safe...but I guess a permanent transhuman and an unexplainable 2+ wasn't good enough for dark Angels...he has a key after all, which are commonly known to be storm shields -.-
It seems DA just have to be broken good in literally EVERY way this edition...
What about librarians in grey knights?
Can a librarian learn from multiple disciplines? Or only from one?
Unless you're really hungry for points, a psyker is always a good addition in a list, even for just denying enemy's powers
Skipping a phase is rarely worth it
With gk and tsons out now, it might be worth skipping for abhor the witch
It's funny; I remember a time long ago when Force weapons were a wonderful reason to take psyker units that could; Instant Death was a great power, if the unit was simply strong enough, and hardy enough, to get through the assault. This video, I'm not entirely sure I even heard a mention of them, and Astartes are among the best close combat armies in the game. As an RP person, and one who almost always fronts a Wizard, when possible, I've always liked Psykers, and Librarians among the Space Marines, so it's too bad they ate now so 50/50.
It also makes me sad for Guard pruners. I know this is Astartes, but it paints a similar picture to me. Guard are barely melee-capable, apart from some Bullgryn stuff, and I guess dedicated Catachan, though I like Cadians more, so even if Firce weapons were still powerful, the Primaris carrying it probably couldn't afford to risk his mortal hide to try, and every video I see shows how they aren't really worth it, and Wyrdvanes AREN'T worth it, which leaves mental radio half-psykers, who are really only good for buffs. I wonder if Inquisitor payers can fill that void. Otherwise, good thing we still have Eldar. 😁
Regardless of my whining, a good video. It could be fun to use one with White Scars; always wanted a bike army, or Space Wolves.
How many librarians are you allowed to use in a army?
I tried the whole liberian thing butthe whole dewey decimal system dice rolls kept throwing me off.
Seeing the librarian in phobos armour just raises the question as to why Lieutenant in Phobos armour doesn't get deep strike at deployment stage as well; its like they just forgot about it.
Lieutenant in Phobos does get deep strike mate
@@frostedbutts4340 he gets it from death from above which means turn 2, he doesn't get concealed positions like the other phobos headquarter options. This means I can't deep strike him at the same time as infiltrators or incursors.
@@nathanthom8176 Oh I see what you mean. Deep Strike is teleporting / jumping onto the table turn 1 / 2, Infiltrate is when you setup there
The Reiver LT gets neither which is complete BS
@@frostedbutts4340 sorry, I have a habit of using the terms interchangeably as they do the same thing but one is at deployment and the other is in the movement phase; only been playing for 4 months.
You are right the normal reiver unit at least get grav-chute as an wargear option (or grapple). It's like they chose to make lieutenants for certain units and then took away thier ability to deploy with said units.
I heard they soft counter necrons, so it's a plus to have them in a crusade list.
Highlight of my day!
Very informative!
As a Templar player, I have many questions.
Comparing the reliability and force multiplication between a master of sanctity and a Cheif librarian it seems like the librarian is second choice by a long way. Psychic can be denied, you can hurt yourself and you have to roll a worse than 5/6 chance to get the power to a level that is can be denied. The abhor the witch secondary gets locked out as well. Running blood Angel's if you use the Soulwarden WLT for a 5+++ against mortal wounds and a culexus assassin to downgrade your opponents psychic then I can't see a reason to bring a librarian (except maybe the Dread as a beat stick)
On the saves if you equipped a nemesis warding stave gives a plus 5 save to a librarian or if got a plus 1???? 😃😄😁😆😅5 Smiles.
Librarians are always going to be competing with Chaplain for the 2nd/3rd HQ slot. I like them but it's always going to be a gamble with casting rolls, perils and deny while a Chaplain comes with an inbuilt 4+ invulnerable save, a flat 66% chance of success for litanies (85% chance with MoS) and it feels more logical to get them in the right place given the short range on the powers. The only thing not mentioned in the video was that they are useful for dealing with Phase limited wound models like Ghazgkull & C'Tan but it GK/TS are more active in the meta then those units might be less prevalent also.
I'm new to 40k, are Librarians HQ? Say, can you run a captain and a Librarian? I'm looking for a HQ for my Army
Yes.
@@-Benedict you can run both?
@@darts123100 Sure just make sure your detachment has 2 HQ slots, or take 2 detachments
I always take a Terminator Libby. He's a legend now but it overcomes their main weakness of being easy to kill. Stormshield on him so he's pretty tough.
I was thinking the same thing for my Deathwing detachment. What is Legends?
It says on Battlescribe they can only have a Storm Shield if you’re playing Legends.
@@hiddenleaf414 it's models GW no longer make so they don't include rules for them in the codex.
To not just completely abandon the people that own the models already they put the models into legends and give them rules in an ancillaries book somewhere.
You can play them socially but not generally at tournaments because they aren't 'balanced'. Which is an utter joke considering how terrible the balance in 40k is.
I highly recommend taking a librarian. But that's mainly because I'm playing thousand sons again now and enjoy getting 15 points for free
I play csm....I like using master of possession
Honestly I'd take one solely for the sake of null zone
Librarians are great, specially for Blood Angels that lack good strats and can fall on some cliches and often are a very predictable list. The chapter has the best librarian units with Lib Dread and the single most badass librarian, the Lord of Death Himself, Mephiston. Mephi is just a beast.
They're so useful, but my group uses older rules for perils, apparently written by some mad Arab. Alhaz-something? Anyway, the worst that can happen is both quantitatively and qualitatively worse than just throwing MWs around. Getting warp-swapped for a daemon does not ingratiate one to one's allies at the table. It makes rampant Librarianing FAR riskier when the proverbial hot stove is also hooked up to the local power grid. I still use mine because the Promethean discipline is just too useful. That said, I do make sure to keep him as safe as possible while still being within range.
I have a standard guy who uses the Promethean discipline and a Phobos for my Infiltrators if I use them. I'll be getting a regular Primaris soon to use the Librarius stuff, or at least that'll be my excuse for buying the mini. Which one I bring depending on matchup/whim.
No, the Emperor declared that witches cannot be Space Marines and be considered loyal.
I play Grey Knights.
So yeeeeees.
I've been converting a Technomancer for my Iron Hands successors. Objuration Mechanicum looks fun enough to try out, but I guess it isn't all that optimal.
As a DA Player that's a definite yes
White Scars go fast
No. I play Templars. lol
Nice video tho. Its a fun element to have in an army and i fill it with a Chaplain. Make one about Chaplains!
But do i need a lieutenant?
Eh not so much. Once you have a captain + apothecary + librarian that's probably enough on characters
my army is black templars so i cant use a librarians
Honestly with the popularity of GK and TSON raising, I would rather have the option to abhor the witch and not let them take wrath of Magnus
They seem really overcosted compared to other factions.
Nah the Librarians are fairly priced, it's just the ridiculous punishment for taking psykers that's the problems (1k sons / losing Abhor)
@@frostedbutts4340 they dont seem fairly priced for only 2 casts and one deny. No invuln either. Super squish.
That's what I always thought. Subpar marine body, single deny, decent powers, but not really better than the cheaper Chaplain's undeniable ones. Until I saw the breakdown of how many lists are using a Librarian anyways I was hoping for like a 5-10pt drop and a drop on the chief upgrade.
@@billtodd2194 9th has a lot of fans, but im not feeling it all.
Generally answer is no atleast from a comp standpoint. Dont put one in your list unless you really like them. Locking out of abhor is brutal
I play BT so no :(
I just play black templars XD
laughs in thousand sons
Abhor the Witch!
Laughs in Tsons
I'm not much of a fan. They just bring too many downsides. Admittedly they're better for some Chapters than others, but overall I much prefer Chaplains. Chaplains are more reliable when you give then the Command upgrade and Wise Orator. You consistently get two solid buffs a turn from your Chaplain and you can pay CP to auto pass if you desperately need one of them to go off. Librarians are inconsistent. They can flub psychic tests, they can be denied, they can Perils, they deny you the ability to pick Abhor as a secondary AND you get screwed against Thousand Sons where they dunk on you with their faction secondary and effortlessly max 15 against your one poor Psyker.
No, I play Black Templars, no room for Heresy.
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I play Thousand Sons and Necrons why am I here
Yes, but as a Black Templars player, also fuck no? For reasons?
Nope, my army cannot benefit from librarians (Black Templars), but that’s ok because of our litany table.
As a black templar... uhh no
Both my armies fucking despise psykers so no, I can't use one.