When I saw the donkey I just knew that it wasn’t an abandon island. Donkeys are like horse , domesticated animals use for work etc, I’m just surprise no one came in such a long time
Probably Abigail also knew since that moment. But all the other guys, being so above that, wouldn't have a clue that donkeys are not wild animals. She knew. And that's why when Yaya said she'd go exploring she was in such a hurry to go with her. Abigail thought that as soon as Yaya (or any of them) would find out they didn't need her anymore, they'd, obviously, treat her as they always had before they needed her to survive. Like a second class human. That's why she was going to kill Yaya. But then Yaya showed her kindness, even knowing they didn't need her anymore, that they were safe, she didn't go back to treat her like trash. And that's why I don't think Abigail killed her at the end.
@@ughlwtmechangerhisthabks8349Yaya offered her a job as an assistant... Abigail would change her status as the "captain" of the island to Yaya's assistant... She definitely killed her
@@ughlwtmechangerhisthabks8349 she had definitely changed her mind about killing her until she said "you can work for me" She was not going back to being in service of rich people, she killed her for sure
@@HortenseLapasse completely agree with you. i think she waited what yaya had to say but after she told abigail she could be her assistant it was the final straw and she killed her
My guy you completely missed the point. @10:05 "Yaya is not completely heartless, as she offers Abigail a job" 😂😂😂 The point is that Yaya is so privileged that she has no conception that she's offering Abigail a position of subservience, which is condescending and insulting to someone who was just the "Captain" of the island. "You can be my assistant... you can work for me" is what she says. Why would Abigail want to re-enter the world of groveling to skinny white Instagram influencers?
I also think when you said in the ending when "her perceptive changed" it was actually only highlighting her manipulativeness which she stated in the beginning of the film, that she was a manipulative person, as well as when she gives the advice to carl to "stroke abigal's ego, make her feel in charge."
I think I give Yaya more credit for her empathy and intelligence than other people. I felt like she grew aware of the fact that Abigail doesn't have a gain from using the elevator. She came to the conclusion that the only way out for Abigail is killing her. And her offering Abigail a job is the last desparate attempt to convince her to let her live. "Abigail I don't have much to offer, but what I can offer is that I use my privilege to also accumulate some privileges for you." Yaya tells Abigail, that once they're back in the real world, Yaya can help her gain a better life for herself, the upgrade from toilet lady to an influencer's assistant. This is the only gambling chip Yaya has left. I think, she understands perfectly fine that all she can offer is another position of subservience, but a more prestigious one. To stick to the video's theme, I think Yaya tries to communicate "I was not useful for you on this island, but I can be useful for you back in real life, if you allow it. I can provide for you there."
You are missing the fact that yaya is manipulative and does it without even trying. She was trying to save her own life. She heard Abigail walking up behind her
No way - the point of the captain and Dmitri droning over the loudspeaker while people were suffering was a metaphor for how the people in power argue about politics and theory on a massive stage while individuals beneath them continue to suffer within the unchanging system
You are a very intelligent individual I appreciate your comments on this. I was feeling those same feelings but don’t consider myself a “movie buff” enough to understand overall themes and imagery these directors try to portray sometimes. I’m curious on how you felt about the move “the menu”?
@@chasem6491 So true honestly I've never grasped everything that portrayed in the movies. Every time I log into letterbox I feel my rating is relatively low compared the rating of others because I don't know what the movie trying to say that would make my score higher.
I see your point but surely the people they were transmitting to through the loudspeaker were not beneath them since they are powerful millionaires and billionaires
@@filmforthought1906 in that situation those people were beneath them though. The captain is incharge. If he loses his mind and runs the yacht into rocks, those rich people are at his mercy, their money and status can't save them. You missed the point of how fickle and meaningless social hierarchies are. They can change in a split second. Like how Abigail's status changed to being on top of the social hierarchy when they were off the yacht and stranded on the island but when they found the resort, he social status went right back to the bottom of society which was confirmed when Yaya offered her a job as an assistant, the help. Abigail hesitated in that moment when Yaya offered to help her, perhaps she thought Yaya saw them as equals at the very least. However Yaya offered a position as the help, an assistant, which is a crap job and worse and lower paying than being a cleaning manager on a luxury yacht. The passengers social status changed when they were at the drunk captain's mercy, the captain lost his ship to pirates thereby losing his social status and the whole thing is just a vicious cycle of people scrambling to be at the top of social hierarchy no matter where they are. No one actually see's anyone as equal and to achieve or maintain top status you must crush others. You were also wrong about Carl. He actually likes being taken care of. That's why he told Abigail the very first night he slept in the lifeboat, " I love you because you give me fish ". She provided for him. He was happier with Abigail and considered breaking up with Yaya to be official with Abigail. He fought with Yaya because she wasn't willing to provide anything for him.
@@filmforthought1906 You're right, I struggled with that too. I think @Freya's explanation was best, that maybe the point is how fickle hierarchies are. However I'm glad that we all enjoyed the movie so much, and I appreciate the lively discussion you've started!
For the final walk, my first instinct was actually that Yaya planned to kill (or at least “fix” in some way) Abigail - a clever misdirection. There’s a hint at this when we see Abigail exhausted at the top of a very jagged “pushable-off” mountain top, while Yaya seems fine. But this leads to my final enjoyment of the very last scene with Karl running - was he running to save Yaya or Abigail? We don’t know, and it ends with a wonderful ambiguity for me.
The concept of the maid gaining power due to the shipwreck comes from a 1957 British film called "The Admirable Crichton". In this film, an aristocratic family is shipwrecked and it is the butler (British actor Kenneth Moore) that saves the day. He is the only one capable of building shelter, starting fires and catching food. All the daughters fall for him and one plans to marry him. Just as they are about to marry, a ship arrives to save them and the butler puts back on his uniform and starts serving the family again. I am sure that this film must have borrowed from that film.
@@movieloverfan18 Yes, you appear to be right; Other film versions of Barrie's play include a 1918 film adaptation directed by G. B. Samuelson, Cecil B. DeMille's Male and Female (1919), and We're Not Dressing (1934) with Bing Crosby. The play was also filmed twice for television, in 1950 and 1968.
I love the scene where the captain and the russian shit salesman are trading quotes but very quickly have to use their phones in order to bring them up. It represents the superficiality of our political standings and how drunk they are as well. Amazing scene
I don't think Carl is as naive as he's portrayed. He pretty willingly accepted being Abigail's boy toy when it suited him, fingering her during the painting scene. His love is for whomever gives him fish, or whatever else. And as Yaya stated in the beginning of the film, if she paid for their hotel room, 50euros for dinner is nothing. The way the dinner interaction escalated screams insecurity and his arguments are under the guise of some perverse version of "equality". If Yayas work pays her in cruise trips and t-shirts, then those are not freebies. Carl will literally profess love to whomever he can mooch off of
Well he gave her the food she wanted it so he was providing she still kissed that man even though she provided nothing and he always payed for dinner despite making less. She's a manipulator and a liar like she admitted while looking like a psychopath. He eventually knew hooking up with the leader was better than trying to provide for her.
I wonder if Abigail could’ve been finding fish through traps/nets set by the resort? Yaya seemed suspicious of something when she asked her where she caught the fish but never look d further into it. This could be why Abigail ensured that she went with Yaya to prevent her from exposing the truth
abigail was def suspecting it at the least. she knows donkeys are domestic animals which means there must be people around. she's too smart to not at least check if the island is uninhabited if that's what she wants.
@@ElliadeOfHomer I don’t doubt that she had the survival skills to do as you say. But she seemed like she knew something when Yaya said what her plan was. That’s why I can’t help but wonder if she did find some lobster traps or something indicative of a human presence sometime after being stranded but just kept it to herself because she gained more power than she every had or will have in her lifetime
Something that went over my head until seeing the Nutella on the table 6:22 he had Nutella helicoptered to the yacht. They didn’t have any on board so they had Nutella. Helicoptered. To. The. Yacht. Directly! That’s the type of people they are. It’s funny because these people aren’t even an exaggeration they exist lol.
Another thing I thought was great, Woody Harrelson character being a conflicted “socialist” but being among the rich. The character’s’ political views is similar to the actors political views and seems like that conflict would be something he would deal with in his personal life. Great casting!
You only have to work in a luxury hotel to see them. Once an international singer asked for a very expensive water for her dog at 2 am. We didn’t have that water so the doorbell was going to collect it from another hotel. Thank goodness the security chief stopped that nonsense. So yeah, they exist.
There is one scene where Yaya was posing for photos on the yacht and i saw a long vertical scar along her torso. I thought that was odd, its not from a c-section or tummy tuck. It turns out that scar was the result of a fatal accident in 2009 which led to a broken wrist, elbow, 4 ribs, 2 damaged vertebrae, a collapsed lung, and her spleen had to be removed. The spleen is a vital part of the immune system, which, in turn resulted in an infection that later turned to sepsis years later. So this accident from 2009 is what ultimately killed her.
yes, she has a full cross-section midline scar, going the whole way across her abdomen, indicating that she had major open abdominal surgery at some point in her life. Only a person either profoundly sick with an abdominal infection, or who needed a complete exploration of most of the major organs in her tummy would need surgery at that scale.
10:00 i feel like yaya embracing the situation with Abigail was just showing how she hasnt changed whatsoever since the dinner scene, she is still a master manipulator
just to clarify: yaya herself is oblivious to the insulting nature of her offer. she believes that she's generous; just ask her friends. but, yes, we are meant to see the condescending nature of it.
I feel like I agree on the perspective of Carl doing "what he had to do" or "needed to be done" to get food. He would even bring food back to Yaya.. but what truly threw me off was him putting his hand on Abigail during the painting ceremony scene... to me that showed interest.. but was also like is he just that unsure of himself that he's accepting the attention from someone he doesn't want and letting go of.. someone he may actually care about. (I'm glad he ran back though).
6:24 "when people blame the problems and injustices of their lives and of society on the system they live under personally I think human nature is too complicated to expect a monetary system to solve all or even most of our problems" Here you draw the conclusion that human nature is too complex and that economic systems are not the cure all that people expect it to be. Although I agree in extreme cases, like when people believe they can end world hunger by ending Capitalism, I do feel like I need to push back because your conclusion seems to imply that systemic changes are not valid forms of critique, but the film seems to suggest that systems play a much larger role than people think. On the Yacht there was a clear heirarchy that was evidently a product of a Capitalist mode of production. When they become stranded on the island, a new heirarchy is formed. Abigail uses her advantages to climb to the top of the heirarchy. So, it doesn't matter what system you are in, people acting in their self-interest will compete leaving with those with the most privelages and advantages at the top. If Yaya wants to regain her higher status, there are limits to what she can do to "pick herself up by the bootstraps" in the Matriarchy. The best thing for her, would be to leave the island and rejoin the Patriarchy. While Abigail does not want to go back to Capitalism, because she knows there's almost no chance she will ever attain the status she has on the island. The film establishes that systems have a significant influence on who wins and who looses, and Systems can change. Changing systems can make loosers into winners, and vice versa. To drive my point further about the significance of systems. If an economic system lead to an unethical form of distribution of power, then it might be in a person's best interest to either reform or end it. One can see how obvious it is when we look at Slavery. Most people today would agree that the most ethical way to redistribute power under slavery, was to end Slavery. Lol. My conclusion is that the power dynamics in the film highlight the complexities that underpin class conflicts, allowing us to better address social inequality. Systems like Capitalism are not preordained. We can and should reform and eventually replace it with a more fair, ethical and equal system.
We know at the end it was actually Yaya that rejected wealthy men when presented to her. Unlike Carl, who would rather manipulate someone for his own survival
I do not think that people we horrified by what they heard from Captain and Dmitri speaking to the microphone, if not to take the part when Dmitri said that the ship is going down - but they were horrified because of they actually felt like the ship is going down, the wether was awful and it felt like the end. Also maybe they were horrified that the Captain doesn't seem to take care about the ship - but I do not think those were messages and takings which scared people.
I think Abigail and Yaya are the only ones to realize that if there is a donkey in an island there is probably people. That's why Yaya all of the sudden decides to go look around and that's why Abigail goes with her knowing that she has to do something if Abigail finds anything.
There is no resort. The captain mentions before the ship sinks that they are not far from some islands that oligarchs use to wealth hoard tax free. They have stumbled upon a compound.
I think 2 other people should've realistically has some survival skill. The russian seems like new money : nutella, "low class" mannerism. He would've grown up in communism and had compulsory military. The young black guy whether he's pirate or lower deck worker he would also have skills and savvy
The way I felt was that Abigail did not kill Yaya because she’s not stupid and she knows that it’s a matter of time before they were discovered, and with it the discovery of the murder.
@@smalltittypunkgf I think she's not stupid. She has no choice to go back? What is she gonna do? Stay on the island when she know it's a matter of days that the resort people will find them? I think she uses her head and doesn't kill her.
Thank you for the review! I must say i was surprised when you described Carl as the one character that is looking for true love. In my humble opinion we were shown both good and bad sides of the main characters Carl included. He was abusive to Yaya in the beginning of the film regardless of the fact, that she later admitted to be a manipulator. Even if he knew at that time, it was no excuse to get aggressive and to intimidate her. Also at the end of the movie he clung toward the person high in the hierarchy in order to get higher in the food chain and was ready to abandon Yaya. That to me was as sign that he is no better than Yaya.
He was worse than Yaya for me. Yaya in the beginning was portrayed to be a "Gold digger" but it was actually Carl that ended up being worse for trading flesh for food.
Carl was a straight up prostitute for food in the end. But what would you do? She could not feed him and let him starve. He really can't take care of himself and hadn't eaten for a few days when she took his rations away. He was being manipulated and abused again. In the beginning Yaya was financially abusing him. He lashed out in understandable anger. Being manipulated can make you go crazy and then they can look at you and say see you're the problem. He was justifiably angry. Not aggressive.
Great analysis, though I’m not sure if yaya’s attitude changes as when she realised there’s a way out, the old hierarchy started creeping back in hence offering her an assistant role, putting Abigail back below her…
My main problem with the ending is that it suggests (the hero rushing from left to right) that Carl knows where to look for Yaya and Abigail, which is absurd. Other than that, almost flawless film with many fun moments. Lots of of Marx quotes.
It’s for the viewer to guess/interpret what happened between the shot of Abigail with a rock and then the scene with Carl running. I had guessed that Abigail returned to camp and admitted what she’d done which is why you see Carl running in despair
I felt just like the stroke lady found a guy selling merch, the group came across someone else from the resort and this made Carl run in Abigail and Yayas direction to notify them...
I personally think that the donkey scene could be a foreshadowing to Abigail hitting Yaya but having to hit her multiple times while she screams. I think Carl was suspicious of Abigail going with Yaya and followed them, so he heard the screams and started running towards them.
He realizes after seeing the beach vendor that there are people on the island and his suspicion that Abigail went with Yaya to make sure they don't get discovered so she can maintain control of the new island social hierarchy
It’s open to interpretation. But I think he realized that Abigail may indeed kill Yaya. In addition to the fact that he probably knew they were going to be saved.
I think the other passengers will be okay since there was a tourist guide who found the wheelchair lady in the inflatable raft. There might already be other tourist there and they found the survivors. Yaya’s boyfriend was probably rushing to go tell her.
Yaya might be hella manipulative but by the end Abigail is definitely the bad guy. The lady literally turned into a worse manipulator than Yaya AND a murderer
When I saw the donkey I just knew that it wasn’t an abandon island. Donkeys are like horse , domesticated animals use for work etc, I’m just surprise no one came in such a long time
Probably Abigail also knew since that moment. But all the other guys, being so above that, wouldn't have a clue that donkeys are not wild animals.
She knew. And that's why when Yaya said she'd go exploring she was in such a hurry to go with her.
Abigail thought that as soon as Yaya (or any of them) would find out they didn't need her anymore, they'd, obviously, treat her as they always had before they needed her to survive. Like a second class human. That's why she was going to kill Yaya. But then Yaya showed her kindness, even knowing they didn't need her anymore, that they were safe, she didn't go back to treat her like trash. And that's why I don't think Abigail killed her at the end.
@@ughlwtmechangerhisthabks8349Yaya offered her a job as an assistant... Abigail would change her status as the "captain" of the island to Yaya's assistant... She definitely killed her
@@edgarberistain112 I definitely felt the same way
@@ughlwtmechangerhisthabks8349 she had definitely changed her mind about killing her until she said "you can work for me" She was not going back to being in service of rich people, she killed her for sure
@@HortenseLapasse completely agree with you. i think she waited what yaya had to say but after she told abigail she could be her assistant it was the final straw and she killed her
My guy you completely missed the point. @10:05 "Yaya is not completely heartless, as she offers Abigail a job" 😂😂😂 The point is that Yaya is so privileged that she has no conception that she's offering Abigail a position of subservience, which is condescending and insulting to someone who was just the "Captain" of the island. "You can be my assistant... you can work for me" is what she says. Why would Abigail want to re-enter the world of groveling to skinny white Instagram influencers?
EXACTLY
I also think when you said in the ending when "her perceptive changed" it was actually only highlighting her manipulativeness which she stated in the beginning of the film, that she was a manipulative person, as well as when she gives the advice to carl to "stroke abigal's ego, make her feel in charge."
I think I give Yaya more credit for her empathy and intelligence than other people. I felt like she grew aware of the fact that Abigail doesn't have a gain from using the elevator. She came to the conclusion that the only way out for Abigail is killing her. And her offering Abigail a job is the last desparate attempt to convince her to let her live. "Abigail I don't have much to offer, but what I can offer is that I use my privilege to also accumulate some privileges for you." Yaya tells Abigail, that once they're back in the real world, Yaya can help her gain a better life for herself, the upgrade from toilet lady to an influencer's assistant. This is the only gambling chip Yaya has left. I think, she understands perfectly fine that all she can offer is another position of subservience, but a more prestigious one. To stick to the video's theme, I think Yaya tries to communicate "I was not useful for you on this island, but I can be useful for you back in real life, if you allow it. I can provide for you there."
You are missing the fact that yaya is manipulative and does it without even trying. She was trying to save her own life. She heard Abigail walking up behind her
yup, i saw it that way too.
No way - the point of the captain and Dmitri droning over the loudspeaker while people were suffering was a metaphor for how the people in power argue about politics and theory on a massive stage while individuals beneath them continue to suffer within the unchanging system
You are a very intelligent individual I appreciate your comments on this. I was feeling those same feelings but don’t consider myself a “movie buff” enough to understand overall themes and imagery these directors try to portray sometimes. I’m curious on how you felt about the move “the menu”?
@@chasem6491 So true honestly I've never grasped everything that portrayed in the movies. Every time I log into letterbox I feel my rating is relatively low compared the rating of others because I don't know what the movie trying to say that would make my score higher.
I see your point but surely the people they were transmitting to through the loudspeaker were not beneath them since they are powerful millionaires and billionaires
@@filmforthought1906
in that situation those people were beneath them though. The captain is incharge. If he loses his mind and runs the yacht into rocks, those rich people are at his mercy, their money and status can't save them. You missed the point of how fickle and meaningless social hierarchies are. They can change in a split second. Like how Abigail's status changed to being on top of the social hierarchy when they were off the yacht and stranded on the island but when they found the resort, he social status went right back to the bottom of society which was confirmed when Yaya offered her a job as an assistant, the help. Abigail hesitated in that moment when Yaya offered to help her, perhaps she thought Yaya saw them as equals at the very least. However Yaya offered a position as the help, an assistant, which is a crap job and worse and lower paying than being a cleaning manager on a luxury yacht. The passengers social status changed when they were at the drunk captain's mercy, the captain lost his ship to pirates thereby losing his social status and the whole thing is just a vicious cycle of people scrambling to be at the top of social hierarchy no matter where they are. No one actually see's anyone as equal and to achieve or maintain top status you must crush others. You were also wrong about Carl. He actually likes being taken care of. That's why he told Abigail the very first night he slept in the lifeboat, " I love you because you give me fish ". She provided for him. He was happier with Abigail and considered breaking up with Yaya to be official with Abigail. He fought with Yaya because she wasn't willing to provide anything for him.
@@filmforthought1906 You're right, I struggled with that too. I think @Freya's explanation was best, that maybe the point is how fickle hierarchies are.
However I'm glad that we all enjoyed the movie so much, and I appreciate the lively discussion you've started!
For the final walk, my first instinct was actually that Yaya planned to kill (or at least “fix” in some way) Abigail - a clever misdirection. There’s a hint at this when we see Abigail exhausted at the top of a very jagged “pushable-off” mountain top, while Yaya seems fine. But this leads to my final enjoyment of the very last scene with Karl running - was he running to save Yaya or Abigail? We don’t know, and it ends with a wonderful ambiguity for me.
The concept of the maid gaining power due to the shipwreck comes from a 1957 British film called "The Admirable Crichton". In this film, an aristocratic family is shipwrecked and it is the butler (British actor Kenneth Moore) that saves the day. He is the only one capable of building shelter, starting fires and catching food. All the daughters fall for him and one plans to marry him. Just as they are about to marry, a ship arrives to save them and the butler puts back on his uniform and starts serving the family again. I am sure that this film must have borrowed from that film.
I saw a film just like that, but it was a silent film. Maybe your 1957 film was a remake of the silent one.
@@movieloverfan18 Yes, you appear to be right; Other film versions of Barrie's play include a 1918 film adaptation directed by G. B. Samuelson, Cecil B. DeMille's Male and Female (1919), and We're Not Dressing (1934) with Bing Crosby. The play was also filmed twice for television, in 1950 and 1968.
@peterjones8335 that's he'll wild ending to that movie. Like how we go from lovers back to servent
I love the scene where the captain and the russian shit salesman are trading quotes but very quickly have to use their phones in order to bring them up. It represents the superficiality of our political standings and how drunk they are as well. Amazing scene
I don't think Carl is as naive as he's portrayed. He pretty willingly accepted being Abigail's boy toy when it suited him, fingering her during the painting scene. His love is for whomever gives him fish, or whatever else. And as Yaya stated in the beginning of the film, if she paid for their hotel room, 50euros for dinner is nothing. The way the dinner interaction escalated screams insecurity and his arguments are under the guise of some perverse version of "equality". If Yayas work pays her in cruise trips and t-shirts, then those are not freebies. Carl will literally profess love to whomever he can mooch off of
Well he gave her the food she wanted it so he was providing she still kissed that man even though she provided nothing and he always payed for dinner despite making less. She's a manipulator and a liar like she admitted while looking like a psychopath. He eventually knew hooking up with the leader was better than trying to provide for her.
Yes!!
I wonder if Abigail could’ve been finding fish through traps/nets set by the resort? Yaya seemed suspicious of something when she asked her where she caught the fish but never look d further into it. This could be why Abigail ensured that she went with Yaya to prevent her from exposing the truth
Omg
abigail was def suspecting it at the least. she knows donkeys are domestic animals which means there must be people around. she's too smart to not at least check if the island is uninhabited if that's what she wants.
@@ElliadeOfHomer I don’t doubt that she had the survival skills to do as you say. But she seemed like she knew something when Yaya said what her plan was. That’s why I can’t help but wonder if she did find some lobster traps or something indicative of a human presence sometime after being stranded but just kept it to herself because she gained more power than she every had or will have in her lifetime
No we clearly see abigail catch a fish.
Something that went over my head until seeing the Nutella on the table 6:22 he had Nutella helicoptered to the yacht. They didn’t have any on board so they had Nutella. Helicoptered. To. The. Yacht. Directly! That’s the type of people they are. It’s funny because these people aren’t even an exaggeration they exist lol.
Another thing I thought was great, Woody Harrelson character being a conflicted “socialist” but being among the rich. The character’s’ political views is similar to the actors political views and seems like that conflict would be something he would deal with in his personal life. Great casting!
You only have to work in a luxury hotel to see them. Once an international singer asked for a very expensive water for her dog at 2 am. We didn’t have that water so the doorbell was going to collect it from another hotel. Thank goodness the security chief stopped that nonsense. So yeah, they exist.
@@joaquinhernandez8548 incredible lol. Wonder if that dog knows how good he’s got it.
when he says "need some help?" and yaya says "yeah, sure, get some nutella"
There is one scene where Yaya was posing for photos on the yacht and i saw a long vertical scar along her torso. I thought that was odd, its not from a c-section or tummy tuck.
It turns out that scar was the result of a fatal accident in 2009 which led to a broken wrist, elbow, 4 ribs, 2 damaged vertebrae, a collapsed lung, and her spleen had to be removed. The spleen is a vital part of the immune system, which, in turn resulted in an infection that later turned to sepsis years later. So this accident from 2009 is what ultimately killed her.
yes, she has a full cross-section midline scar, going the whole way across her abdomen, indicating that she had major open abdominal surgery at some point in her life.
Only a person either profoundly sick with an abdominal infection, or who needed a complete exploration of most of the major organs in her tummy would need surgery at that scale.
it is a near fatal acident, fatal acident means someone died.
10:00 i feel like yaya embracing the situation with Abigail was just showing how she hasnt changed whatsoever since the dinner scene, she is still a master manipulator
Everything else u said i agree with tho
"Ship Of Fools" + "Lord Of The Flies" = "Triangle Of Sadness".
It didn’t seem to me that the British arms dealer couple felt guilty by what they do at all.
100% the “offer her a job” was a clear insult to her and not “having a heart”.
just to clarify: yaya herself is oblivious to the insulting nature of her offer. she believes that she's generous; just ask her friends. but, yes, we are meant to see the condescending nature of it.
I feel like I agree on the perspective of Carl doing "what he had to do" or "needed to be done" to get food. He would even bring food back to Yaya.. but what truly threw me off was him putting his hand on Abigail during the painting ceremony scene... to me that showed interest.. but was also like is he just that unsure of himself that he's accepting the attention from someone he doesn't want and letting go of.. someone he may actually care about. (I'm glad he ran back though).
Ran back to who though? It's ambiguous who he was running towards to save at the end of the movie.
6:24 "when people blame the problems and injustices of their lives and of society on the system they live under personally I think human nature is too complicated to expect a monetary system to solve all or even most of our problems"
Here you draw the conclusion that human nature is too complex and that economic systems are not the cure all that people expect it to be. Although I agree in extreme cases, like when people believe they can end world hunger by ending Capitalism, I do feel like I need to push back because your conclusion seems to imply that systemic changes are not valid forms of critique, but the film seems to suggest that systems play a much larger role than people think.
On the Yacht there was a clear heirarchy that was evidently a product of a Capitalist mode of production. When they become stranded on the island, a new heirarchy is formed. Abigail uses her advantages to climb to the top of the heirarchy. So, it doesn't matter what system you are in, people acting in their self-interest will compete leaving with those with the most privelages and advantages at the top.
If Yaya wants to regain her higher status, there are limits to what she can do to "pick herself up by the bootstraps" in the Matriarchy. The best thing for her, would be to leave the island and rejoin the Patriarchy. While Abigail does not want to go back to Capitalism, because she knows there's almost no chance she will ever attain the status she has on the island.
The film establishes that systems have a significant influence on who wins and who looses, and Systems can change. Changing systems can make loosers into winners, and vice versa.
To drive my point further about the significance of systems. If an economic system lead to an unethical form of distribution of power, then it might be in a person's best interest to either reform or end it. One can see how obvious it is when we look at Slavery. Most people today would agree that the most ethical way to redistribute power under slavery, was to end Slavery. Lol.
My conclusion is that the power dynamics in the film highlight the complexities that underpin class conflicts, allowing us to better address social inequality. Systems like Capitalism are not preordained. We can and should reform and eventually replace it with a more fair, ethical and equal system.
We know at the end it was actually Yaya that rejected wealthy men when presented to her. Unlike Carl, who would rather manipulate someone for his own survival
rip yaya in real life :'(
I do not think that people we horrified by what they heard from Captain and Dmitri speaking to the microphone, if not to take the part when Dmitri said that the ship is going down - but they were horrified because of they actually felt like the ship is going down, the wether was awful and it felt like the end. Also maybe they were horrified that the Captain doesn't seem to take care about the ship - but I do not think those were messages and takings which scared people.
I think Abigail and Yaya are the only ones to realize that if there is a donkey in an island there is probably people. That's why Yaya all of the sudden decides to go look around and that's why Abigail goes with her knowing that she has to do something if Abigail finds anything.
There is no resort. The captain mentions before the ship sinks that they are not far from some islands that oligarchs use to wealth hoard tax free. They have stumbled upon a compound.
i think it probably was a resort, seeing as there was a lounge chair nearby the lift
if it wasn't a resort, then the guy selling fake rolex watches was just a hallucination?
donkey also showcases they no longer solely rely on Abigail to provide, so when she comes back she’ll be less powerful
I think 2 other people should've realistically has some survival skill. The russian seems like new money : nutella, "low class" mannerism. He would've grown up in communism and had compulsory military. The young black guy whether he's pirate or lower deck worker he would also have skills and savvy
Of course ex sovjet capitalists are all 'new' money. I don't think the Nutella was a class thing, rather a 'crazy rich' thing
Props to the casting department for making me think "Dang, they actually got Notch to be in this?"
The way I felt was that Abigail did not kill Yaya because she’s not stupid and she knows that it’s a matter of time before they were discovered, and with it the discovery of the murder.
Sometimes when people are drunk with power they do illogical actions
she was killed by Abigail ua-cam.com/video/I4FBwWFE1_4/v-deo.html
i think she didn't come to terms with reality. she doesn't want to go back to her own life and puts yaya down like that donkey.
@@smalltittypunkgf I think she's not stupid. She has no choice to go back? What is she gonna do? Stay on the island when she know it's a matter of days that the resort people will find them? I think she uses her head and doesn't kill her.
@@WhirlOmar i think she's smart enough to get away with it though. she could say yaya fell off the mountain and hit her head or something
Thank you for the review!
I must say i was surprised when you described Carl as the one character that is looking for true love. In my humble opinion we were shown both good and bad sides of the main characters Carl included.
He was abusive to Yaya in the beginning of the film regardless of the fact, that she later admitted to be a manipulator. Even if he knew at that time, it was no excuse to get aggressive and to intimidate her. Also at the end of the movie he clung toward the person high in the hierarchy in order to get higher in the food chain and was ready to abandon Yaya. That to me was as sign that he is no better than Yaya.
He was worse than Yaya for me. Yaya in the beginning was portrayed to be a "Gold digger" but it was actually Carl that ended up being worse for trading flesh for food.
Carl was a straight up prostitute for food in the end. But what would you do? She could not feed him and let him starve. He really can't take care of himself and hadn't eaten for a few days when she took his rations away. He was being manipulated and abused again.
In the beginning Yaya was financially abusing him. He lashed out in understandable anger. Being manipulated can make you go crazy and then they can look at you and say see you're the problem. He was justifiably angry. Not aggressive.
The casting of this film should get an oscar!
Great analysis, though I’m not sure if yaya’s attitude changes as when she realised there’s a way out, the old hierarchy started creeping back in hence offering her an assistant role, putting Abigail back below her…
My main problem with the ending is that it suggests (the hero rushing from left to right) that Carl knows where to look for Yaya and Abigail, which is absurd. Other than that, almost flawless film with many fun moments. Lots of of Marx quotes.
I thought there was a time skip and Carl ran after Abigail came back to the camp and told the others that Yaya is dead.
It’s for the viewer to guess/interpret what happened between the shot of Abigail with a rock and then the scene with Carl running. I had guessed that Abigail returned to camp and admitted what she’d done which is why you see Carl running in despair
I felt just like the stroke lady found a guy selling merch, the group came across someone else from the resort and this made Carl run in Abigail and Yayas direction to notify them...
I personally think that the donkey scene could be a foreshadowing to Abigail hitting Yaya but having to hit her multiple times while she screams. I think Carl was suspicious of Abigail going with Yaya and followed them, so he heard the screams and started running towards them.
Yaya is killed just as her bf is racing to tell her that they have been rescued.
Maybe but then why does he have such a worried look on his face ?
@@filmforthought1906 cuz maybe he was afraid they would be left behind? Or he himself would be left behind? Idk
He realizes after seeing the beach vendor that there are people on the island and his suspicion that Abigail went with Yaya to make sure they don't get discovered so she can maintain control of the new island social hierarchy
It’s open to interpretation. But I think he realized that Abigail may indeed kill Yaya. In addition to the fact that he probably knew they were going to be saved.
no he is racing to save his gf abigail
I wish to believe that Abigail didn't kill Yaya. RIP Charlbi Dean
Dolly de Leon (Abigail) said it herself in a presscon, she kiilled Yaya.
@@smithhere yeah I saw that too... Sad.
I saw this in the cinema with both my parents, it was incredible!!!♥️♥️♥️
Great analysis. I didn't care for the part where they killed the donkey. They all lost their moral compass.
Thank you. I appreciate it!
Yes, but if one is in that situation, things change.
They killed fish too tho?
They were starving. People have cannibalised humans over the need to survive
Aye you know they had security on board and thy just didn't see them sailing up
RIP Charlbi
We are all equal under the similar circumstances
Was Dimitri married to 2 women?
I think the other passengers will be okay since there was a tourist guide who found the wheelchair lady in the inflatable raft. There might already be other tourist there and they found the survivors.
Yaya’s boyfriend was probably rushing to go tell her.
Yaya might be hella manipulative but by the end Abigail is definitely the bad guy. The lady literally turned into a worse manipulator than Yaya AND a murderer
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Like the analysis. Needs more slide transitions as the characters are analyzed.
Thanks for the feedback
Carl is a controlling insecure man, he is not the underdog.
Selling manure is useless?
No, the oligarch is. In fact, he’s actually worse than useless.
Oh my you are clueless on SO MANY POINTS 🤦
There hasn't been a good movie made since 2017. Proven once again.
Could you explain further?
Sounds very boring.
Watch Michael bay
Please dont watch it
Yikes... I know your RIP of actress Charlbi was well-intended, but it looks comical after just analyzing about her character being killed. 🫣
Ngl i thought it was a joke too and then I realized the name wasn’t yaya on the pic 😅