Fanny Kelly Recounts the Attack by the Sioux Indians on Her Party, Wyoming, 1864 (ep. 1)
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- Опубліковано 17 лис 2022
- In this episode we read from "Narrative of My Captivity Among the Sioux Indians," by Fanny Kelly
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Fascinating read . Many historians have referred to her book .
Thank you! Stumbled upon you and just ordered the book. You may not realize, but you're actually doing a great service to many ignorant to our Nation's history. P.S. Subscribed
This is so RAD. I’m going to listen to all 9 episodes❤
What does "RAD" mean? Reference to some form of tire??
My great-grandfather was a member of the 6th Iowa Cavalry at the at time. I do not know if he participated in her rescue some months later at Fort Sully, SD, but I do know that members of the 6th Iowa were among the troopers who were able to help rescue Fanny. Fort Sully was located where Farm Island State Park is located today, a few miles southeast of Pierre.
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Wouldn't have it be your great-great grand father? Im 50+, one of my grandfather fought in Narvik (1940), my great grandfather fought in Verdun (1916) and Hartmannwillerkopf (1917) and my great great grand father was in Paris in 1871, a young chimney cleaner. Fanny was captured in 1865
@NVMVNV I believe he was 18.
Born February 15, 1846. Born in Iowa, but just before Iowa was a state.
@NVMVMV. Uhmmm...I guarantee you had a relative alive at that time!
Blimey, when this started I had to check to see if it was playing in super slo-mo!
Once it got going things soon normalised and thank you for a fascinating story.
Awesome history videos Mr. i love em' ..cheers
This series is so good that I contacted my good friend and former next door neighbor to watch the videos also. We will discuss what each video went over and share ideas and perspectives. My friend's background is that of her father being of two or more Indian tribes with white mix. My friend's mother was white. What my friend has shared with me over the years brought to home many of the hardships experienced by the American Indian and their family groups. Life was very hard for my friend, but her faith in Christ Jesus (through the love of Christ taught by her mother) made for strength and courage during some very difficult struggles. I know she will relate to many of the attitudes, prejudices and unfair laws and practices that her family had to face day to day. My friend is my Treasure and am looking forward to many hours of her perspective and input!
Man I love that I found your channel. American history is rich but so overlooked
It truly is.
History based on lies can never be "rich." For being a "Christian Nation," we sure lie a lot.
@@kennyw871 lemme guess... Portland? California?
@@thomasdavison7184
They are pervasive unfortunately
The so-called "american history," which is not one at all, is instead a collection of billions of murders, war crimes, treasons, crimes against humanity, robberies, hypocrisy and atrocities of every worst kind from the very beginning.
Very cool , thanks!
Wow! I’m hooked. Thank you for your efforts!
Love this can not wait for the rest!
Great photos!
She is an excellent writer!
Absolutely brilliant. Her level of English is top-level. It just goes to show how dreadfully dull-witted today's English speakers have become. Everything is shortened; excellently precise words which had been invented for some specific precise application are ditched. The lack of precision is fast-leaving the language.
Incidentally Fanny Kelly's English probably wouldn't have been considered exceptional at that time by any means. If you look at the WBO series "Deadwood", you will see just how incredibly ornate the ordinary folk were of the time. Looking at the wording of the US Constitution or any articles from that time further proves this point. They spoke English with a level of articulation which only the very elite can speak it today. Yet it was very commonplace. Watch Deadwood. You will need your remote control to hand as you will have to keep stopping to 'decode' what they were saying as it is in a completely different league - almost like watching Shakespeare.
Testimony to the dumbing-down of our society by certain malevolent influencers.
Probably educated until she was 15 which is about the 9th grade in America now. Kids today can't tell time on a watch or spell without spell check, complete a coherent sentence nor write in cursive...😢
@@user-tt1qf5fg8b I'm probably what you'd call a kid. I felt compelled to inform you that your demonstration of grammar and mechanics in English are dismal.
Millions of us are more eloquent, educated, and informed than you clearly care to acknowledge or realize.
@@danorris5235 and can't cope...
@@user-tt1qf5fg8b You're adorable. Stop projecting your generation's inadequacy and failure on everyone else. Nobody's buying it anymore.
I love the content!!
Excellent content! Thank you!
Ive been to Douglas before, just outside of town you can still see the wagon ruts and theres a headstone just outside of town marking the grave of one of the emigrants. Also, some miles north of town theres a granite spire on top of a large hill on the Ross Road, right where the Moore Ranch starts that was commemorated around 1910 or something, its for the Bozeman Trail.
Theres another marker nearby commemorating the Oregon Trail and Fort FetterMAN is not far from town either. Lots of neat history in the area but its mostly private land with huge beef ranches and sheep ranches but the Pioneer Museum in Douglas is worth the look. Really cool dinosaur museum in nearby Glenrock, too.
Spoken with the generosity of the Americans I will always call a part of me ... Americans taught me generosity of spirit... Long may this spirit live.
@@sonsofthesilentage994 Where do you hail from?
@@outdoorloser4340 Scotland
I read this book. I love how the rattlesnakes saved Mr. Kelly. I also thought Jumping Bear was a cool dude.
That's coming up in the next episode...
Great content!!
Good story. Always good to have a contingency plan in case people start misbehaving.
I have been listening to the Fanny Kelly episodes. Is there an episode after 14? What is the title? Thanks for bringing this to us. It is astonishing to understand the true history and disabuse ourselves of the idea of the noble savage that continues to be pushed on us to this day through the hit pieces disguised as history that are presented to us through television and movies.
Great Story that I haven't heard before.👍 Can't wait for the next installment!
Beautiful spot upper Box Elder Creek in the Canyon. Natural bridge. Between Douglas and Glenrock WY
Little Box Elder, Fort Fetterman, Bar Nunn, Natural Bridge WY is such a beautiful area.
Just found your channel! Love these kind of books and stories!
Thanks . Greetings from Belgium
I guess this goes to show that Indians (like every other group of humans that has ever inhabited the planet) could display great nobility, and also at time, great savagery. Some cruel, unscrupulous men see a chance to kill a few helpless fellow human beings and help themselves to some plunder. Silly to imagine Indians would be too noble to do what so many of other races have done since the dawn of history.
Humans are human. All of us imperfect.🙂
@@fredfred4086 that's a good point
Generally I find people get nasty when you take their land away. I guess that’s the root of the adjective territorial, y’know... territory!
@@1timbarrett it's a part of world history. This isn't unique to the Americas or any group of people.
@@1timbarrett Yeah...apparently they like to shoot, chop up and scalp 7 year old little girls!!!
Whenever you give something to bully’s, they always want more.
Haha, the joke in our home is that bullies are A-holes.😂
True, and yet we took by force the Entire Country actually.
You get the joke! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Joking about innocent families being murdered…sick
Well presented, thank you, ((South Africa)
Yaweh,
Bless this channel and it's truth reader.
its'
would love to hear about Cynthia Ann Parker, also Mountain Meadows
Mountain Meadows Massacre?
@@eddieboggs8306 mountain meadows massacre was a vicious attack on a wagon train from Arkansas, perpetrated by an organized band of Mormons for the supplies, horses and cattle, women and children. i think it was on the orders of Brigham Young. it's a fascinating tale, much literature has been generated by the incident. there is a monument at the site, the Mormon Church doesn't deny it, and they, like the rest of us, are very sorry that it happened. there's a great deal more, i just can't recall.
May I recommend S.G. Gwynne's "Empire of the Summer Moon" You will learn much about Cynthia Ann Parker and more about Quanah.
very good
ole fanny was a talented writer, had great memoryand well educated to choose those desriptive words. almost like nickel books of the day
Eu gosto muito de História Universal principalmente quando se trata da Colonização dos Estados Unidos. E esta é uma, admiro a bravura dessas pessoas entrando em terras desconhecidas fazendo com coragem e bravura este País que nos conhecemos.
Invaders love to tell tall tales.
@@shadetreader And losers love to cry
@@shadetreader Yeah...tall tales like Sand Creek!
They showed weakness and paid the price.
This is so sad 😞
Do you have any on Lewis and Clark expedition?
Sacajawea is a great read.
The conflict began two years earlier after maintenance payments and supplies guaranteed by treaty were witheld from the Indians despite an ongoing famine.
Yes that was after the native americans land was stolen where they just took what they needed but the greedy invaders decided they wanted it all!
Also women have listened to men for way too long and if we respected the wisdom of the feminine our beautiful world would not be on the brink of destruction that it is now.
One woman's story does not reflect all, so all you misogynistic men take note
That sounds about right. Look at how today's thieves are trying to overturn ICWA as a means to breach Native American Sovereignty so they can get their filthy hands on more land, natural resources, casinos, etc. They're betting Trump's stacking of the US Supreme Court will finally give US commercial interests what they've coveted for decades.
I thought they were great hunters.
@@bneale Not allowed to hunt and not much left anyway.
@NVMVNV Reality
No good deed goes unpunished
It was the sugar.they went on a berserk sugar high
Taking the bad advice of scared women during dangerous situations has been getting people killed since the dawn of time.
Genesis 3:17-19 (KJV)
And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
@@pietro4772 This god fella has a sense of humour So, God made Adam. Adam was walking around one day and realized that he was lonely, so he asked God for a companion. God said, "I can make a woman for you. She will cook and clean and do everything you ask her to. She will wait on you hand and foot. She will be so beautiful that you won't be able to take your eyes off of her. It's gonna cost you an arm and a leg, though."
Adam said, "Well, what can I get for a rib?"
@@Skammee Touché😊
@@Skammee
Our Father Almighty God the Creator does have a sense of humour.
Whilst on the subject, there were pre-Adamic races of people on Earth, that is, before God created Adam and Eve. Adam and Eve were created to restore order and replenish the earth.
I am 98% certain the diabolical people the subject of the narrated attacks had bloodlines going right back to the pre-Adamics. Those races had mingled with fallen angels. Their inner evil is therefore easily explained.
Adam and Eve were told not even to touch those family trees. Eve failed and caused Adam to fail. There was no apple involved. It is all about bloodlines.
Bloodline is everything.
Yup. Emotional and hysterical females can make bad situations worse. This was true then and it's still true today, perhaps moreso. They prove this over and over each time they vote in our elections.
This was a completely unprovoked attack. Yes, there were atrocities on both sides of the Indian issue, but let no one think the Indians could not dole out as good as they got or worse and did on a daily basis. These people were not trying to take Indian lands or resources but simply traversing the land toward Oregon. They never deserved this.
The Great Plains Indians fought like the special forces of today. They could creep outdoors in rain or shine, hot or cold, they could stay up all night, and go days without food.
Heartwarming
@@douglasparise3986 Homeland Security est. 1600!
Hmmm...I don't recall any special forces shooting, chopping up and scalping any 7 year old little girls!!!
Che vicenda terribile. Grazie per il tuo grande lavoro di divulgazione.
It’s hard to imagine the terror these pioneers must have felt. Feeling obliged to agree to every outrageous request by the Indians, not knowing if it would be enough to placate them but feeling in their gut that they were doomed anyway.
Pioneers, settlers = land stealers.
Not "pioneers", they were thieving invaders.
Indians were killing, raping, thieving and displacing each other for millennia before whites arrived. That’s OK but European settlement isn’t?? Lol.
@@sidneygibson1023 To the victors go the spoils. Read your history. That's the way it is. The Indians fought and kept land themselves. They weren't a peaceful people. Libs love to rewrite history. Read about Alexander the Great. Learn something.
@@phildavis277 always euro invaders use tribal conflict to try to justify their invasion and genocide.
How could she know that a bullet went through the sleeve of the child in mother's arms? From her account, the Indians rode after the wagon while she was back with her captors. Such details seem unlikely from her perspective of the event.
Likely from subsequent conversations with other survivors and those who found the dead bodies.
What ever comes around go's around
Another fascinating video, looking forward to the rest of these episodes
Must have been terrifying to be approached by a group of Indians like this. I do think it was a mistake to come across as so complacent and to trust what the Indians said but being so outnumbered certainly understandable
From everything I have read the Indians were usually very averse to a fight where they might suffer casualties like where they called off the pursuit of the wagon with the
Man firing on them.
Primitive pack mentality. Like two pittbulls are far more likely to attack than one. Several pittbulls.....
_My Sixty Years on the Plains_ (Hamilton) also highlights how difficult that time must have been. It's so easy for us to be armchair moralists today, but living under the spectre of violence must have been ineffably difficult; absolute hell!
Yes revisionists historians would have us believe we raided gentle folk sitting around the campfire by their TP’s all day. Living in fear forever. They were warring with The Mexicans for about 200 years also. So glad for our way of life in our modern world.
@@VelveteenRabbit77 Yes, prejudiced historians would have you ignore the fact that in 1864 the land was still theirs by contracts and agreements known as Treaties the United States would ignore while it was fighting itself over slavery that year.
@@jasonbrown372 True. Also interesting to see a Georgia map from early 1800’s with a slash across the state dividing the land. Part Creek Indians and another tribe and then a few years later- the lines are gone. It’s sobering.
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Obviously embellishments regarding the other wagon attack -
Might she be any relation to Mary Foreman Kelly? Mary was a wife of the brother-in-law of my 4x great uncle who "survived" the Bozeman Trail in 1864
Not likely.
I was always called a honkey since, I was the only white boy raised in Saint Francis , (Rosebud indian reservation) from 1972-1982 for prof, Mike Bolts was the store owner all that time, miss Lance was the postal lady and,, my neighbor was Oldel Good shield our neighbor on the west side,, his children, roger, junior, Evelynn , albert, tiny , and his stepson, Clayton Points at Him,, that was who I ran around with most of the time.. Brent Herrick!
They ATE too goddam much sugar
They got some fake news regarding friendly natives. They were afraid of being guilty of hate speech
Enjoyable history lesson about tragic history.
Worst I ever read was about the Comanches what they did to people, settlers and other tribes.
And what did the White Man do to the "Indian " ?
@@junehume31 Agree. Although Indians DID enslave tribes that they warred with and used the weaker men as sex toys. That is not noble. I do not demonize Native Americans, because what they suffered is unacceptable; but neither do I worship them like many white people do, as if they were mystical creatures, living in harmony with nature. Many tribes ruined the natural habitat of the area they lived in.
I listen to the audiobook of her book recently, she is the embodiment of illogic, haughtiness and unwarranted pride, every choice she makes through out her ordeal is wrong and causes much harm to many, including little Mary.
How so, your blog seems an illogical assessment of a woman that has travelled miles on a wagon train and used basic and degrading hygine dust dirt and shit and food preperation,
how could she be haughty (Holier than thou)
Her memoires are damned wellwritten but most unreliable ...
@@nielsjurgensen9493 And how do you know this? You were there. Right?
And you knew the 1860s Plains? You knew the hearts and minds of the people? No. You know nothing!
@@1943Grandpa From more than 60 years studying the Americans Indian's culture and their wars ...
On worthy Sounds like Wisconsin accent All words that start with un are pronounces on
That fossil tree stump was once a 600 foot broadleaf back in the Cretacious. It wasn't only dinosaurs which grew huge in those days. If it was a fruit tree, I bet the fruits were the size of pumpkins!
That has been disproved, it is NOT a tree stump,and the earth is NOT flat either.
@@masterofreality1552 I was on;y kidding. It's actually a volcanic plug.
@@legion1923 In an active volcano there is an internal fissure which allows magma to find its way to the surface, where it pools in a crater called a caldera. Eventually most volcanoes become dormant or extinct, and the internal core of magma hardens and becomes a plug. Over the course of millions of years weathering and other geological phenomena wear away the soft outer parts of the volcano, leaving the hard, granite core still standing. They tend to look a bit like gigantic tree stumps. Sometimes the core or plug hardens before ever reaching the surface. Shield volcanoes like Etna tend to have quiet erruptions with rivers of lava flowing gently down the volcanoe's flanks, but cone volcanoes like Vesuvious, especially those near the sea, tend to have explosive erruptions and are far more dangerous.
@@legion1923 Yes, most volcanoes are cone volcanoes, but they often have small erruptions which are not dangerous unless you are in close proximity. Usually the major erruptions are hundreds or thousands of years apart. Krakatoa had lots of small erruptions before the major one in 1883. There is now a new volcano called Anak Krakatoa growing by a series of minor erruptions in the crater of the old one. The odds are that in about 4 or 5 hundred years there will be another major erruption. The Hawaiian volcanoes, Mauna Loa etc, are shield volcanoes that tend to errupt quietly.even in a major erruption. Pinatubo in the Philippines is a cone volcano that sometimes has very large and dangerous erruptions. Mount Fuji in Japan is dormant or extinct. Anak Krakatoa means 'child of Krakatoa'.
@@legion1923 It was heard thousands of miles away, but although Krakatoa was the largest erruption in the last two hundred years it was dwarfed by the eruption of Tambora on the Indonesian island of Sumbawa in 1815, and that was dwarfed by the eruption of Toba on Sumatra 75,000 years ago. The crater lake left by the Toba eruption is two or three hundred miles across! There were humans in the area who must have seen it and been killed by it. Mount St. Helens was trivial by comparison. In their way these massive erruptions are just as awsome as the imaginary 600 foot tree I described in my comment of yesterday.You dont get these kinds of eruptions with shield volcanoes like Etna which can emit large quantities of lava, but in rivers that run down to the sea rather than in explosions.
I hope this is balanced with the atrocities committed to the Indians as well.
Yeah, because we never ever hear about that. 🙄
Love the story
I think someone didn't tell everything.
That's really good I enjoy listening to that!
Lewis and Clark who encountered the Sioux on the Missouri River in 1804 said they were the meanest humans on the face of the earth. And that’s what everyone has said including many other tribes.
@@sueperglue8847 Didn't Lewis and Clark winter at the Sioux collective and the junction of the MIssouri and the Platte rivers, the LARGEST CITY at that time in N. America??? AS one Chief stated: If we eat, you eat; if we starve, you starve; i.e. the idea of the winter camp was to share resources in case of disaster/famine so being in one large group for the winter made a lot of sense. Doesn't sound like they were any meaner than anyone else surviving.
@@thedwightguy I believe that was Mandan or Hidatsa. Lewis and Clark never wintered with the Lakota.
@@sueperglue8847 Do you read?
@@sueperglue8847 What a stupid, argumentative comment.
I'm sure the Comanche are up there though in savagery.
This was before Conquering Bear was killed and if this was the Oregon trail it’s supposed to be the Holy Road, and untouchable by Indians.
Bozeman trail.
@@Master...deBater No it was the Oregon trail because a cow from a Mormon family wondered Into his camp and was butchered. The army came for payment and it escalated from there.
@@ronniebishop2496 I'm sorry...I thought you were talking about the Fanny Kelly incident, which took place on the Bozeman trail.
@@Master...deBater My post was confusing. I apologize. I didn’t really know where the Fanny incident happened.
A truly tolerant and noble ràce open to multìcùltùralìsm and dìversìty whose only desire is to live in peace basking in nature and in harmony with the universe.
An hilarious mouthful 👍
Yeah, quite. You mean that their descendants in the Black Hills should again today roll over and play possum?
@@st6217
No, I meant that they are a truly tolerant and noble ràce open to multìcùltùralìsm and dìversìty whose only desire is to live in peace basking in nature and in harmony with the universe.
Yeah right
@@st6217 they started war first
My great grandma was born to a white woman and an Indian brave.The white woman was my GG grandmother she had been kidnapped in a raid her family killed home burned.She had 2 children by a brave she snuck her daughters into a canoe when they were thought to be 8 and 10 told them to lay down in the canoe until they heard chickens crowing the girls were found by white settlers and taken in by a family.One if those little girls was my great grandmother.
Like many people from the Southern states, my family has European and a lesser degree of Indian heritage. My 2nd GGrandfather was killed by Indians in Texas when he went to recover horses that the raiding Indians had stolen from him. He death meant that his wife and four children had no husband and father. The Kelly story helps me to understand the dynamics of the interactions between the whites and the Indians.
Wow.....that is truly what you would deservedly call a WOW story!!
Thank you for sharing.
God help them.....help them all.... :/
That’s amazing. I wonder why she didn’t try to escape with her daughters, or what compelled her to send them away on their own. A lot of the accounts of these white captives show that they often were ambivalent about leaving the Indians even when they were rescued, especially if they had been taken captive as shall children. Some actually went back to the Indians voluntarily.
@@KathyPrendergast-cu5ci Probably easier for her children to escape if she returned to the captors. Otherwise they would have been hunted down as was Fanny Kelly after she was rescued. Even though they were ransomed and money exchanged, a lot of the captives were still pursued to the forts until they were safe.
Shouldn't have took more than you gave.
I just read the book "the comanche kid" in which a 16 year old girl sets out alone on a revenge spree on the 12 comanche braves who raided her farm and left her parents dead while abducting her little sister. Suffice to say non of the comanche braves is left to tell the story after she is finished with them.
It is fiction.
@@hublocker849 LOL
Yup
@@deanodog3667 The "Comanche kid" is just another vigilante fantasy story popular in that cuntry.
@@hublocker849 yeah...like spiderman!!
Where they the same tribe of sioux 'ogale as Sitting Bull.
No , Crazy Horse and Red Cloud were from Ogalala . Sitting Bull was from the Hunkpapa.
Ogallala* there is Lakota (Ogallala), Nakota* and Dakota. There are seven Nations in our tribe.
@@CosmicAli_TheObserver thank you very much my dear. I'm from Europe so I don't get a chance to talk to a Native American everyday. is it derogatory to say sioux or squaw. Anyway you made my day you're the you're the second Native American I've ever spoke to.
What about the Teton sioux?
@@CosmicAli_TheObserver Lakota (Ogalala, Hunkpapa, Brule, Miniconjou etc), Nakota (Assiniboine, Stoney etc), Dakota (Yankton, Yanktonai), Eastern Dakota or Santee (Sisseton, Wahpeton etc).
Cherokee had black slaves ?
The native people made slaves of their captives no matter who they were. Tribes were constantly battling each other for territory.
Yes the Indians sometimes had black slaves and they made slaves of white woman also.
That's what happens when you intrude
Just a sign of the times ! Just like black slavery was a sign of the times! Just like the invasion of our southern border is a sign of the times ! We just learn to deal and bear with it! Get a grip !
I really really really love Fanny 😮😂
Playback speed 1.25 is much better.
Dnt have time to watch and excuse me if ignorant... but shouldn't the americans not of even been there as this was the Indians land?
Yes it was historically Crow and Arikara land...that the Lakota invaded and stole from them!!!
People should take a little time to study the savagery shown by the Indians particularly the comanche to their captives both native and white then this idea of the pre-Columbian pastoral idyll can be finally dispelled
It is generous to say they're captives are really slaves
Well said.
As were the converts to Catholicism that the Spanish & later, the English Christanized.
Where was John Wayne when you needed him..
AND JOESY WHALES
At your MOMS house.
Avoiding the draft
He was too busy changing his real name : Marion.....yeah a real tough guy 🤡
@@rcastillo3629 I too questioned the Wayne draft issue. However I did read of one story where in the 1950's while staying in the same hotel., Wayne had asked Frank Sinatra to turn down the music at his party as Wayne had an early call in the morning. Sinatra, a notorious night owl who often partied til dawn, said he would and Wayne went back to his room. Soon the music was blaring again and Wayne returned to the Sinatra room. Upon opening the door Wayne told Sinatra that he if he didn't turn the music down Wayne would knock Sinatra out. Sinatra blanched and his huge body guard stepped forward telling Wayne, "you can't speak to Mr. Sinatra that way," where upon Wayne picked up a chair and smashed it over the bodyguards head knocking him out. Frank turned the music down and Wayne went back to bed. Many people have said that Wayne's size and strength were exaggerated but there is a clip of him standing next to Ed McMahon who was documented at 6'4" and an ex marine and Wayne is clearly a bigger man. Wayne's real name of Marion may have sounded weak but I wouldn't want to have told him to his face.
Like
Wth…. Part #2??
SOB's.
Are they still fighting today?
Flocks of cattle.This guy is an inside cat.🤣
To written by somebody other than Fanny and Fanny was a little girl I don't understand
They were not called savages for no reason.
I thought she was a little girl but she's talking about her husband?
Cynthia Parker was taken as a young girl. Maybe you have them mixed up?
About this series, there is a value to it. Her observations are interesting. But these are the observations of a woman whose family was slaughtered by people who were losing their land, families, cultures, and lives!!
Here we're only getting the viewpoint of one white woman who must have been traumatized that Her entire family had been killed. She was also ignorant or didn't care about the MILLIONS of Natives who were slaughtered by whites to gain complete control over the land.
It's really really important to get a negative point of view or the points of view of many natives about their own history.
I suggest people also read the book Ishi, Last of His Kind, as a place to start. There is also a film of it, but it may be very difficult to get ahold of. Gee, I wonder why
A war party about this time reported to Conquering Bear near here that a party of black people were cutting down trees and building houses in the area, and Conquering Bear said oh that’s bad news, and the war party all said, no that’s good news, why, they taste just just like Buffalo.
I would be agitated as well if some strangers tried to take my land from me, In a country that my ancestors had lived on for thousands of years!
agitated is one thing, and yes I'd b also.... But killing innocent, isolated groups who were more than willing to cooperate.... crosses a line and puts th participants of that raid into a category called DEPLORABLE.
white liberals cannot fathom the fact that, while many native people were exemplary for eons, many were not and in fact th Sioux had been kicked out of various parts of th woodland to the east BY OTHER TRIBES.
Th film "dances with wolves" famously got it all wrong, in fact, by portraying the Pawnee as villainous while deifying th Sioux.... A point which caught up with th producers later on, as it was pointed out that th Pawnee, at that time, were in fact known as a generally benevolent people.
To sum it up..... It's impossible to blanket categorize any of th Plains tribes of the pre1900s, let alone native americans in general.
What we CAN say is, bad behavior is bad behavior whether it's Indian, Irish, Hutu, Germanic or martian....
Every country invaded to get the land.
@@rimrunz1795 you're not entirely innocent if you're a beneficiary of the oppression of a people. Colonisation may have been normal but it certainly wasn't moral or right
Bit like today with what's happening in The UK and Europe.
@@rimrunz1795 and your qualifications for re~interpreting history? Sounds more like you were there lol
Sense they were ex union soldiers, did they have repeating rifles? Like the Henry or the Spencer? I would at least think they had breech loading rifles
Doubt they had anything but muzzle loaders and revolvers.
Ugh so frightening.
I really hate what those Sioux did in this account. Especially the chief who could have extended his protection instead of dishonor and shame.
So much for the noble savage myth , the commanche were monsters?!
Indeed.
Why wouldn't they be, we took their land and made it ours
@@robertstates6538 they were monsters before arrival of white man !
@@robertstates6538 We?
So were some of the U.S. Cavalry of the same period: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sand_Creek_massacre
'Unworthy History' does this mean it might not be true?
It means unworthy of modern TV or Hollywood's standards, or Unwoke History.
@@unworthyhistory Didn't you mean unworthy of woke history ?
Yes - this history is viewed as unworthy by the wokes running Hollywood.
"HOW" "Heap Big" .."Good Indian".. really. Sounds pretty contrived.
That's how many of them spoke English! Just because Hollywood made it cliche a hundred years later doesn't mean it wasn't reality! Are you suggesting Fanny time traveled to 1950...watched a bunch of westerns and time traveled back to 1870 to write her account??? Don't be dumb!!!
@@Master...deBater Very good. That is exactly what is happening here. Many of these people are commenting based on their idea of history which goes no further than what television shows have told them to think.
No denying it, natives Americans got a raw deal. But kidnapping and stealing were commonplace for the. People headed west tended not to appreciate that sort of thing. Nowadays, in efforts to bePC no one goes there
This posting struck me as something that could be interesting, so I gave it a shot. I even went as far as to start watching the next episode in the series. After hearing the way the two Black men were referenced as their servants and how there were those in their party who didn’t feel the Black men were their equal, I said to myself, “ That’s enough “. This woman is sniveling about the harsh treatment they had to endure and the lack of respect the Indigenous Native Americans had for their belongings. She goes on to tell us in some detail about those in her party who were shot with arrows and gun fire. Being a Xicano Yaqui Indigenous Native American, I can’t help but side with my Indigenous Native American Brothers in this scenario. The woman sniveling about how her and her party are being treated and killed is an Alien Euro-American trespassing on our Indigenous Native American Homeland. She and her party are Aliens and participants in an invasion of our Indigenous Native American Homeland. If someone comes to my home threatening my family on my property, I have every right to defend my family and my property with lethal force. When an Alien invades your Indigenous Homeland, you have the right and an obligation to defend your Homeland by whatever means necessary. When Aliens invade your Indigenous Homeland and institute a policy of Genocide against your people declaring, “ The only good injun is a dead injun”, and believe in the White Supremacist concept of “Manifest Destiny “ meaning they believe they are justified in stealing your land and mass murdering innocent men, women and children, killing as many of these Alien Euro-Americans in defense of your Homeland, family, culture and way of life is the appropriate response. There is no justification for Aliens invading, mass murdering and then establishing a military occupation of a sovereign peoples Indigenous Homeland. Had the invasion of our Indigenous Native American Homeland not been successful, Alien Euro-American Christians would have never instituted the inhumane institution of slavery in America. If the slave trade would have not been allowed to flourish in the Americas, America would not be experiencing the racism we have today. Alien Euro-Americans would not be referring to Indigenous Native Americans as, “ Illegal Aliens “. “ Indian Schools “ would not be responsible for the death of thousands of innocent Indigenous American children. Indigenous Native American peoples seeking asylum in the U.S. would not have had their children torn from their arms and then incarcerated.
Invaders ! Colonizers ! Be sure and give up most of your modern conveniences and electricity so you're not using the evil palefaces technology and culturally appropriating their culture, Richard. Native tribes enslaved, warred, plundered, and ran other tribes off of land (hunting grounds) long before whitey even arrived on this continent. In fact, Arabs invented slavery and Arabs and Northern Africans captured and enslaved white people long before blacks were slaves in the US. Only 3% of the population here owned slaves, and a lot of whites died to help free them but you never hear a peep about that. "Indigenous Native American peoples seeking asylum" you mean Mexicans and central Americans? I live in Arizona the Apaches hated them and ran them back across the boarder constantly in the 1800's. And might yet again, as lately a lot of "asylum seekers" are passing through here and leaving trash, beer cans, human waste and toilet paper all over the formally pristine forests here. I'll give you the Indian schools were wrong...but your just parroting the same "evil white men" BS the left spews. Every color and culture is responsible for atrocities to other humans. Those settlers only wanted a better life away from kings, queens and unjust laws and taxes. If you were trying to make a better life, would you let someone raid your farm or would you fight for it?
Whewwww...!
Yes.
I didn't make it much past "HOW!"... colonized spelling and pronunciation of Lakota a'ho.
History muddled thru without heroes like you.
Looks like a happier Ellen G. White
Napoleon Dynamite of history here.
Makes me sick knowing the settlers were armed had a somewhat secure position and let the dudes walk right in full well knowing this was a CODE BLACK situation.... The husbands action to circle up and fight was the right call...... damn
To hell u talk bout my cowboy family
The so called Sioux you see pictured here didn’t exist back then
They should have weared shirts with White lives matter......
Paleface matter!
Shouldn't it read "We Were Stealing Their Land and We Couldn't Understand Why They Were So Pissed."
or Wah Wah Wah I'm, so, woke., I can't breathe.
MIGHT IS RIGHT.Its the way of the world.We have all been doing it to each other all over the world ,for who knows how many thousands of years.GROW UP AND DEAL WITH IT.
To the victor go the spoils. Research your history lib.
Or...we were stealing the land they formerly stole from the Crow and Arikara!!!
It would appear that the battles that Indians won were those in which the Indians greatly outnumbered the settlers. And yet, despite the advantage of being here for ten thousand years the settlers won the war. The Indians who so highly valued being warriors, were not as good as the settlers who were here for only a couple hundred years. And now, to compound the personalities of the Indians, they feel the settlers stole their land. It has been recorded that the idea of land ownership wasn't practiced by most tribes. In fact, the Indians who sold Manhattan didn't lay any claim to the actual land. They were just squatters who made a buck.
ffs
The Indians never outnumbered the settlers. The settlers came from Ireland, Germany, England, Scotland, Wales, Scandinavia, Canada,Czech, Poland, even Asia and Africa. The stream was endless. The number bottomless. The Indians were ravaged by biological warfare, by that I mean the stealing of their hunting lands and the killing of their buffalo. Famine as warfare. The Indian was subject to biological warfare from diseases introduced they had no natural immunity to. Finally the Indian was tricked. Treaties that were broken almost as soon as they could be signed. Every promise made to them was a lie. The lust for land, for water, for buffalo and minerals and furs and gold and silve rand tin and lead and timber and every single ounce of value in the land never stopped, even to this day. The Indian lost not because they were weak, but because they dared to take settlers at their word.
@@jimjones308 Thanks for pointing out the truth, never mind the settlers' revisionist history of "How the west was won" which is basically a fanatsy story cooked up by Hollywood.
The Trail of Tears was a series of forced displacements of approximately 60,000 American Indians of the "Five Civilized Tribes" between 1830 and 1850 by the United States government.[3] Part of the Indian removal, the ethnic cleansing was gradual, occurring over a period of nearly two decades.[4] Members of the so-called "Five Civilized Tribes"-the Cherokee, Muscogee (Creek), Seminole, Chickasaw, and Choctaw nations (including thousands of their black slaves[5])-were forcibly removed from their ancestral homelands in the Southeastern United States to areas west of the Mississippi River that had been designated Indian Territory.[3] The forced relocations were carried out by government authorities after the passage of the Indian Removal Act in 1830.[6] The Cherokee removal in 1838 (the last forced removal east of the Mississippi) was brought on by the discovery of gold near Dahlonega, Georgia, in 1828, resulting in the Georgia Gold Rush.[7]
The relocated peoples suffered from exposure, disease, and starvation while en route to their newly designated Indian reserve. Thousands died from disease before reaching their destinations or shortly after.[8
@@jimjones308 Wrong - Custer's men numbered a few hundred - the Indians many many more than that. When the white settlers started arriving the Indians population was in in the millions.
Re; biological diseases - African Americans arrived at the same time time as white settlers. White men did not go into deep Africa to gather slaves because they couldn't handle African diseases. So it's logical that slaves brought those diseases to America and possibly gave those to Indians.
As for Treaties, the Indians today still make a big thing about their mystical prophecies. If their earlier seers were so great how come they didn't foresee how bad treaties could be? And why didn't they know what the outcome of their battles would be?
The Indians still define themselves as warriors. But they were not as good as the settlers.
feel better? any anthropologist would point out that among the Indians were a great many cultures, all with different value systems. to continually confuse the deeds of one nation with the mere existence of another, etc, etc causes you to sound like a bitter, jealous, uneducated boor who humps the word "hate" in your dreams.
Jan 6 says that history matters. Justice matters. Let's try to stick to the truth and not necessarily to a version contrived by entities claiming to be chosen by God, or to be the spokespersons of reality. The very idea tHhat any of this can be justified by anyone now, after the fact, is morally defunct. Please, let's take a breath of fresh air and move forward. History is something to learn from and not necessarily something to reinforce a negative outcome.
Have an idea of why "Sioux" Indians were so pissed off?