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Fanny Kelly Tells of the Fate of Her Party After the Attack by the Sioux Indians (ep. 2)
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- Опубліковано 4 вер 2024
- In this episode we read from "Narrative of My Captivity Among the Sioux Indians," by Fanny Kelly
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What an incredible woman miss kelley was
So carageous
My hats off to you miss kelley your gone but 160 years later here you are on so many minds and hearts....your story will never be forgotten
A moment of silence for every American who had their lives taken or destroyed over 300 years of shear terror and absolute evil!!!
In Iceland a 1,000 year old maternal genetic Native American line has been found presumably from a female captured as a hosts by the Vikings who visited North America.
Why would you presume she was captured? They may have just bought her, or rescued her, etc...
@@bc2578 Many were captured. Considering track record of European settlers, likely captured.
@Ketowski
Uh, you don't KNOW that. Track records can change in a generation--for better or worse. And, of greater import, you weren't there.
@@Zionist_Eternal Don’t know what? I’m in regular contact with appalling behaviour of European culture. And acting as if it’s okay. It’s happening today. Trafficking of indigenous at extremely height rates Canada and not a problem until it’s in a movie from someone of Eurocentric culture. And I’m right here with history in the making.
@Ketowski
It seems we're likely in more agreement than disagreement. And, what you witness today you can speak authoritatively about. But in this age of history revisionism, and cancelations mandated by pop-culture's outrage-de-jour...
Sorry, I simply trust very little as "authoritative"--especially having spent decades emersed in what today passes for Academia.
I listen to this from Germany. The history of these tribes who lived in a parallel universe before they where discovered from European conquers is a fascinating matter, and so is the interaction with the first white settlers. Your stories shed another light on the Indians who appear often in the movies as honourable warriors, who many of them maybe were. But the bitterness about the loss of their land caused hate against white intruders I guess; and there were massacres on both sides.
Whites never tortured. Especially the commanches who tortured women, children and babies
They were just people like everyone else. But keep in mind the Lakota had only a couple of generations before taken that land from the Crow and Arikara people who occupied it first. And this was 1864...more than a decade before the Black Hills were confiscated by the Americans after the Custer fight in 1876. They were simply defending territory they had taken from somebody else. Much like how the Germanic tribes defended Germania from the Romans after pushing the Celts west of the Rhine around 200 BC.
Some were kind and some were vicious warriors. They did not live in peace before the white man came. The Iroquois and Hurons were constantly warring for instance. Not all tribes were matriarchal either. The Micmac women were considered so lowly that they weren’t allowed to enter in the front door of the home because it was believed that large animals would be insulted and refuse to be hunted if they were brought in the same door as women.
I keep in mind this was a book, a product to sell. I take any history written for profit with a grain of salt.
@@momof1576 At least, the movie "Apocalypto" has shown what historians already knew: The conflicts among Indian tribes before the white settlers and conquerors came. Thus, you cannot blame the white people for entering the paradise and changing it into hell. But this doesn't justify the atrocities of the white people.
As a rule, Indians respected strength, either in number's or individually demonstrated. If you did what this party of poor pilgrims did would only infuriated the Indians, as it did. It would have been far better to have made a stand immediately possible saving more of the party. Far better to die on your feet than die on your knees!
My grandfather was an episcopal minister on the Sioux reservation, don’t know which group, in South Dakota. White people were not permitted by the tribe to be buried on the reservation. When my grandfather passed away in the early 1930’s the tribe asked and invited him to be buried among them and there he rests. That’s our family history. Can’t speak to its accuracy.
Thank you for sharing! I found her entire narrative on google books. What a story!
Wow, what a literary gift of writing. She saw so much detail, and her interpretations of nature, people, what people wore, etc. It is captivating! Glad to have discovered your site.
Thank you. I love hearing these stories. My father was born in 1891 and lived for 102 years! He saw more things than most people ever will. His journeys were amazing. Please send me more of these stories, I love them. Ty
When I got into the ironworkers local 751 my first jobs was in juneau ak summer of 1973. That fall I went north just as the pipeline running from Proudhon to Valdez. 3 years of steady year round 9 week on 2.off clearing $1000 a week. During that time I heard an old timer talk about the old DEW line. During the end of my career I took a dispatch on that also. I worked in Nome, Oliktuk, Pt Lay and koktovic. My adventures certainly deserve a book.
What beauitul english this narrative was written in
I think how brave those families had to be.I can't imagine the life they endured so we could have the lives we live.
Yes, what Strength they must of had . 🤠🖖 ♨️
I am really enjoying your channel. It showed up in my recommendations today. I love your content! Please keep it up!
Thank you for bringing the stories of the past to us in spoken words, outstanding.
Thank you for this series, and thank you Mr Marlow for your comments sounds like your story is a great one
I enjoy this channel so much. I love listening to these stories while on breaks at work. Keep them coming friend your a gifted story teller. Stay safe and God bless
What a great find in your show
Really fired up about all these actual historical narratives
MY FRIEND YOU TRULY EARNED YOURSELF A NEW SUBSCRIBER !!!
I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN A FAN OF HISTORY *** NOT FOUND IN HISTORY BOOKS ***
IT'S NICE TO HEAR BOTH SIDES OF THE STORY ***
THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH MY FRIEND ❣️❣️❣️
Both sides?
You present an eloquent narrative.
I am really impressed by the depth of research in the photos. Thank you
Finally , a positive story involving rattlesnakes ! Providence was at work , it seems ...
Thanks for a great story!
Hard to imagine having to hide while your wife and child is being held with
An uncertain future, but was the
Best thing to do
Daniel Boone had to hide and watch his brother being killed by indians. It was not uncommon.
He would've most certainly been killed but before you take my wife and child you'll have to walk over my dead body to do it.
My great great grandfather, that means the grandfather of my grandfather, who (my grandfather) was born in 1896 was born in Bonn (Germany) in 1839. He emmigrated with his parents and 2 sisters to the USA in 1849. In 1855 they moved from cincinnati to the newly formed town if New Ulm with a large group of other german settlers. The German people fled Cincinnati in large numbers due to problems they had in Cincinatti caused by the "Know Nothing" movement. He learned to be a blacksmith.
In the second attack in 1862 by the Santee on New Ulm he killed 3 sioux in hand-to-hand combat singlehandedly (he didn't even own a gun during the battle). A painting of him combatting and beating a Santee Sioux brave was made in his honor. We have a copy of this painting on the wall of our home.
He went back to Germany in 1865 after the civil war.
He died in 1911 or 1912 as my grandfather who passed in 1984 told me. My grandfather had known him well.
My grandfather said his grandfather was never proud about his accomplishment in the santee war. It actually saddened him what he had done and often tears would come in his eyes when he spoke about it but that was all in hindsight. During the conflict it was a matter of kill or be killed and there was much hatred between the settlers and the santee. Only much later my great grandfather learned about the background of the conflict and how unjustly the Dakota tribe had been treated and how they had been provoked.
thanks for that
Awesome. Thanks. Wish I could see that painting.
Great great grandfather is - your grandfathers fathers father - or - your grandfathers grandfather
@@kingscairn grandfathers grandfather
My paternal great grandmother was just a little girl at the time living on a farm near the Cottonwood river south of New Ulm. She and her family fled by wagon to Mankato in the middle of the night to escape. As a very old woman she told my grandmother the story.
Daryl, you did it again, yessir! A pleasure listen to you, your lecture is always growing up. Is it known which band it was, Ogallala or Brulé I assume? Not one of the snakes you show has a rattle, what about the good old Western Diamondback?? In Germany the are called Texas - Klapperschlange (rattlesnake) and I think, it's a great name, kinda honor anyway. Thx a lot, I gave me about this time that full Lt. E. Warfare : The Indian war of 1864, he was in no engagement and a lieutenant and the book is a bit dry, but the dates, times and places are correct. Thx for the remembering of this time and God's Blessing from Northern Germany as well :-).
My money is on Comanche as they occupied a large territory in and around the Southern Plains during the 18 and 19th centuries They were certainly the most notorious and warlike of the Plains tribes during that era. Also, after a bit of research on Comanche arrow construction and the author's description (barbed and loosely attached metal broadhead) I'm convinced that they were Comanche.
Edit: Greetings from rural Kentucky USA.
@@3PercentNeanderhal I believe the lady said in episode 1 that they were likely Oglalas. I'm fairly certain that one wouldn't have encountered any Comanches as far north as this incident reportedly took place. And the title of the video mentions Sioux.
This was too far north for both Comanches and the western diamondback rattlesnake - their range does not extend north of Colorado - really it ends south of Colorado. Prairie rattlesnakes are probably what they encountered in this story.
@@unworthyhistory thx man you're right about the rattlers, you made so much about Texas that I was by the southern species. Nevertheless no snake with rattle on your pictures! Just kidding man! Interesting the Comanche never messed up with the Lakota... directly I mean. Keep them coming...
@@unworthyhistory ...The Caravan was attacked because they were protestants and for no other reason. Find a video titled...The Hidden Hands behind albert Pike's Ku Klux Klan and Scottish Rite Freemasonry, watch it and tell me I'm wrong. I also left a rather lengthy reply in the reply section you might want to read.
Great content!!!!!.....
Sad but interesting video; thank you.
I would love to know what became of her, did she get returned to her family or did she remain in captivity?
Keep listening and find out. Spoiler alert; she has a spectacular escape.
The story of the arrows is interesting. Didi the Indians use fletchers or did they make their own arrows/ Where did they get the steel for the arrow heads? Did they have their own iron works, mines etc or did they barter for it? Why did they not collect the lost arrows after the action? Were they in too much hurry to be gone? Did they not value the arrow heads?
Did they make their own rifles.did they build factories?
I am interested what noteworthy accomplishments can be mentioned from that time until present?
Other than teaching Settler’s HOW ( no pun intended) to Scalp.
@@douglasparise3986 Obviously not but iron work is centuries before mechanical engineering and chemistry. Were they a Stone Age society, an Iron Age society or somewhere in-between? I'm curious as this rarely seems to be addressed in popular culture.
Arrowheads out West were made of stone.
Lol...iron arrowheads were a very common trade good. They were also known to fashion them out of Iron and steel scraps they found along the various trails. They made and decorated their own arrows so that their wives could identify the buffalo killed by their husbands. They likely did collect the undamaged arrows that were easily found.
Top Notch Sir . Much Respect. 🤠🖖
Yes very well told Daryl
I would like to hear this stories from the Indians side
my grandfather born in 1896, knew adult men who had been ambushed by indians, that left indian territory to commit racist atrocities
This happened right in the middle of the civil war.
The settlers were no pushovers
Love the stories, HOWEVER, as I listened I believe that the snake that scared the Indian was supposed to have caused other snakes in the vicinity to rattle as well. Snakes are deaf. I've hunted rattlesnakes and have never seen a snake rattle which, in turn, alerted others that I can see only feet away.
They don't HEAR the others rattling they FEEL it. I was once hiking up a hillside in South Dakota when a rattler began rattling. Within seconds several others began rattling further up the hill. I immediately turned around and went back to the campground and told the caretaker about the incident and he told me that the hill was absolutely infested with rattlesnakes. I guarantee the others couldn't see me...and they only began rattling once the nearest one did. So that rings absolutely true from my experience.
Brilliant. The cloak is still rocking it.
Sorry. But, I see very little difference between Fanny's attackers' attitudes 150+ odd years ago than those of the robbers, carjackers, juggers, and otherwise shady characters of ill repute haunting the parking lots and service stations of Pasadena, League City, Lamarque, or Hitchcock. I'm old and a short timer so I don't much give a $#!+ for arguments to the contrary.
There is no difference, and extinction is the only answer.
Lots of modern shady characters that do their dastardly deeds with suits on and with the guns others bear for them.
"Sioux" means enemy.... Isn't the correct name for them Lakota? ( specifically, Lakota, Dakota, Nakota.)
No
What they were is more important than what they are called. They acted exactly like inner city thugs of today. They readily attack the smaller in number and weaker. Pack animal behavior.
They were a litigious people
“Sioux” doesn’t mean anything. The Algonquin word nadouwessi means “people of the snake like river”…Minnesota River. The French pluralized it by adding “oux”, becoming nadouwessi-oux and eventually “Sioux”. Our own name is the Očetí Šakówiŋ- “Seven Council Fires”.
@@IkceWicasa_7 Cool info thanks. How is the tribe doing now and do you still have any lands in that area?
At a time like that, worrying about racial segregation, in the grave! Smh. The Indians weren’t the only savages.
These Pioneers not Mormons?
I read that the Indians would often seize a Spanish or English woman and take her as a slave and sometimes their families would eventually find them years later and the hostage/slave would prefer to stay with her captors as they were now part of the family.
That did happen sometimes with those captured as children...but I've never heard of it happening with those captured as adults...except in Hollywood!
Stockholm Syndrome
Stockholm Syndrome.
Colonial settler mentality. Really history 😂
Words and stuff.
And thus, the Texas Ranger’s “Diamondbacks” were sworn in as protectors of all European interlopers. (Not really. I apologize if I have offended any native Americans, Europeans, or members of the western diamondback diaspora.) 😘
Even in death stupidity is still permitted to reign...smdh.
As brutal and aggressive as the western Indian tribes were they far outdone by the US military. I grew up in SE Idaho and was in my 40s when word leaked out about a massacre of Indians along the Bear River near Preston Idaho. It's the largest massacre of Indians in US history. Colonel Conner caught a tribe of Shoshones and massacred around 450 of them in the dead of winter.
It probably didn't help that they kept calling the Indians.that only served to further piss them off
Calling THEM......
@@douglasparise3986 calling them?
@@douglasparise3986 That's funny...every single native person I met on Pine Ridge identified themselves as "Indians"...and referred to the reservation as "Indian country"! Who the fuck do you think you are to tell people how to speak?
How old are you again lol if you were in your 40s when world leaked out about the massacre back when it happened youd be a might old fella about now.
Why follow only historical British and European-focused accounts when oral traditions for some nations still exist?
No wonder they got wiped out lol
The snakes
Why didn’t the men arm themselves better? Ridiculously short sighted men😱
Yeah. They should have had AR-15s and Colt 1911s with them.
Come on , somethings not right .
In the end, people will believe what they want to believe, regardless of the factual evidence. People also see what they want to see, regardless of what's really there. The sad and uncomfortable truth is that The Beatles were a tool which was used to promote social engineering. Their music was great because it had to be. Otherwise, their music would not have had the power to influence people. In order to find the truth about The Beatles, one has to critically examine everything that one has been told about them and everything that we have come to believe about them. In order to discover the truth, one has to be fearless and discard all pre-conceived ideas and beliefs, lest those dearly held beliefs incline one to error.
Here's something that might get people to start to question all their firmly held beliefs about The Beatles: During the song, "Paperback Writer," in the background the name, "Frere Jacques," is being sung. The next line from the famous "Frere Jacques" song translates as, "Are you sleeping?" So what was the purpose of singing "Frere Jacques" in that song? What was the message that they were trying to convey? Were we not being told to wake up?
Say, what?
@@Ketowski Somehow, UA-cam posted my comment to the wrong video.
Wierdo
This whole yarn exudes a whiff of bullsharn. 😏
Are you inferring blarney, hahaha
Sure. HER narrative; so she just sees her husband run away to save himself. How can she know what his feelings are & that he intends to try ransom them?
@@dennisyates1762 oh I missed the depth of this betrayal .
Doesn't fit the PC narrative, does it? It is called Cognitive Dissonance. After we have been programmed, the truth is very painful to accept.
you haven't heard the whole yarn yet.