Insane Fixturing Techniques Explained | DVF 5000 5 Axis Mill Machining
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- Опубліковано 16 чер 2024
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SOLD! I just bought the VERO system for both my DEM and the DVF. A 3-station for the DEM, and 1-station for the DVF. Thanks for running such a great special on them right now!
By the way I love watching your videos. Been machining for 20 plus years and I lost my ability to feel my legs so I'm stuck at home. I miss the smell of the machine shop the metal the coolant so these videos give me some Joy that makes me feel like I'm still a part of my trade.
I personally think titan is one of best machinists I have seen.i always watvh his videos and the parts he machines is beautiful.i have been a cnc machinist since I left the school so been 20 years.sorry to hear about your legs.it is an amazing feeling knowing you have machined a part from raw material to the drawing specs and its perfect.TITAN is KING with the videos and work he does.would love to work in his machine shop
OK the ability for the air gun to just plug right into a push-connect fitting for supplying air is actually pretty dang slick. I like it.
I've worked with those Schunk "clamping pots" during one of my internships. And they work really really well!
Great stuff! Thanks for sharing! This is why T of CNC is going places.
Very cool Titan! Content is excellent! Can’t wait to teach my kids all this stuff I wish I’d would’ve known back in the day.
Aah I remember seeing the monster hooks before in your older videos. It's quite nice seeing some of the parts you've done outside of the Academy content, helps provide some context to it all.
We also have done decades worth of Aerospace parts for the biggest rocket companies but can’t show our work because of NDA’s etc. Thanks
@@TITANSofCNC Aye that’s the tricky thing. In the eyes of the public NDA parts may as well not exist, which sucks from a marketing and sharing perspective. Is what it is, I know the feeling!
Can’t wait to see you hog some chips on your new Datron machine dude! I’m currently building my own mini-mill to make some custom mechanical keyboard cases along with other stuff. I’m working on the sheet metal enclosure ATM.
@@Thorhian Sick! Yeah I can't wait either, just over a month until delivery now, so hype. Are you documenting your build anywhere?
@@bittech1 just amongst friends at the moment. I’ve taken a good amount of photos along the way though. It’s been a ton of work. Just wish I could afford a proper ATC spindle right now but I’m using one of those green manual BT30 spindles for now. I plan on replacing it down the road.
It is unbelievable to me how many people in the comments could do this stuff better. Hindsight is always 20/20 in this industry but sometime you have to actually stop designing and put parts out the door, there's not a time I've watched a part of mine being machined and realized I could of done something better, but the part was still made. The parts came out of the machine in tolerance. You just apply that knowledge to the next part, and you grow. Titan and these videos have helped that for many of us.
Amazing work by shunck 👍🏻
Excellent video! Thanks Titans!
That’s awesome Titan. Great videos. I wished I learned running the Mills and everything with it. I tried to move up but was kept at Finishing (deburring). I miss it all.
Always nice to watch
This is TITANS, Titans of CNC!
Wow. Unfortunately I don’t know english , but videos is verry interesting. I like it. I’m from vietnam. I love cnc
Never gets old.
absolutely amazing
good video titans..thanks for you time
Cool stuff my man thank you for sharing
Why not just put the Vera clamps on the fixture plates instead of the base plate?
I'm assuming it's because the fixture plates are only aluminium. They're not rigid enough.
@@gredangeo base plate looks aluminum too. Titan is a big guy but he's not gonna be handling that base plate like that if it's steel.
This was my first thought too. Why not load the fixture plate outside the machine and drop and go.
Putting Vera clamps on the base plate only requires to do it to one plate instead of both sub-plates. He already has the sub plates working for the base plate and that is the only reason I could think of he did it like that... Oh, plus the Vera clamps/studs aren't cheap either (Not like money is an issue for Titan ;) )
@@EUnit111986 yeah I know money isn’t tight in that shop. My other thought might be that he’s still trying to show case his old school fixture in it’s entirety for the machinists who can’t get the Vera system and would heavily rely on the base plate.
0000.1 WHAT HOLDING POWER! IT'S A BEAST.
I use the Pierson Workholding Pro pallet system and they work great. Basically the same concept.
very beautiful creativity
Thanks for that Titan, really informative video dude. Fixturing is so cool.
I’m “ the old school “ first ever seen “ the new school “ : AMAZING !!!!!
( a bit too late cause M retired )😞😞😞
( wish I have to put the fixtures as same as you now ☹️ )
Enjoy your SHOW ( still learning something new every day ).
Your knowledge is Bad Ass.plain and simple.
Nice work
Very nice!
Absolutely love it! We purchased a Pierson pro pallet system for the new DEM, just couldn't fit the Vero-S into budget, and I'm absolutely PUMPED to get ripping on it! Any chance more videos with speeds and feeds for the DEM 4000 are coming?
Thank for sharing
Too bad I'm old and retired. I was out of the trade just about the time CNC was introduced. Exciting times now with the new tech CNC machines, and I really enjoy seeing them work.
Ya but you ol timers are smart as fuck
The quick connector for the air gun is amazing. Did you come up with this or the oem?
those locks are really good
This knowledge needs to be taught in school .
Wonderful Information.
Wow!
How about how to clean up after yourself first?
Great teather
I love those Kontec vices
I wanna see more of that octopus, stop blue balling us titan
These techniques are great! Almost sad that the automation of my mill makes it impossible to fix unidentified pins in the pneumatic pods
Hey Titan, as always love the videos!
Question: why not put the shunk studs on the sub plate instead to simplify it and reduce stackup? Would it not be rigid enough?
That's a good question, actually.
@UCB0ETIwm_oVYGbL9V8pgBCA well they use shunk studs everywhere. I figured the sub plate could use the studs so you can swap the sub plate quickly without having to undo bolts so you can transition to a different job faster
There's also the benefit of just switching out a lighter subplate for a preloaded one so you're not sitting there loading/unloading parts and stock in an idling machine,.
@@KC-rd3gw That is a reasonable suggestion and is also how other pneumatic systems work. I am using 20 x 12 x 1.25" interchangeable pallets spread across 2 Pierson bases, pitbull and dual expansion clamps for 40 (smallish) part pallet. The Pierson bases don't use studs but rather ground hardened sleeves and the base has the studs (and central pull down). Either way, IMO there's often no need to duplicate and double stackup. At worst, one can run thicker pallets if the work piece fastening interferes with where the Schunk studs have to fall out (if it absolutely has to coincide, possible you can shuffle in CAD as it's your own fixture).
I'd love to see some more fixture videos that don't rely on extreme spending. How about some real world fixture tips for those of us that didn't win the PowerBall lottery!🤣👍🏻
Titan, can you please show us some techniques on how you lock down the part into the second fixture plate for cutting the back side? Thx.
Titan didn't talk about in this video. However, if you look at the 3:10 mark, you will see Mitee Bite Uni-Force clamps for holding the the parts for OP-2.
If I remember correctly, I think Mitee Bite will help with fixture design. Also, on Titan's Academy website, you can find a whole section called, The Art of Fixturing.
How often do you indicate that fixture to see if it's still true and is it necessary to indicate it? If it's production parts you're cutting with that I understand the tolerances won't be too tight but can you use those fixtures for tight tolerances also?
hi I was wondering what material you are using to machine ? thanks Dan
Could you simply get rid of the base plate if your using the Vero s system? Mount the very pull studs directly to the part fixtures in order to skip manually bolting the fixtures down?
Maybe those pull studs are much more expensive. Or this helps to save material, as you dont have to use such a thick peace of metal for your pallets.
Yes
I might make the fixtures a little thicker though to add rigidity. You would need 4 pins instead of 2. The pins run about $80 a piece I believe. We actually sell them on our store. Store.titansofcnc.com
Nice video Titan! But wouldn’t it be even a bigger time safer if you put the pins from the Schunk vises directly on the fixture plate instead of the base plate? Then you wouldn’t have to unscrew the fixture plate from the base plate and you safe some money on the material side of things…Just wondering if that’s right what I’m saying…Keep it up!✌️
I was wondering the same thing. I think its because they have all the stuff already so I'm assuming if they had to make a new one for a new part you could delete the baseplate
This was like watching the square hole video, but he actually put it in the right shaped hole.
Are there any good videos or maybe you can make one on making adjustments to a program?
Boom!
what is teh clearance between the locating holes and the Dovel pin?
Dude...I have been looking everywhere...have you done a safety video for these machines? If not, do you plan too?
So amazing how someone dedicates great time and labour to teach others for free while many others are looking for culprits to fire.
BOOM !!!
When you decide to make a fixture like this how do you charge the customer? Do you amortize the fixture cost into the parts? or ask them to pay for the fixturing up front?
Newbie stupid question.
In the old system the base plate is bolted to the machine table using t-nuts, right?
But do the base plate holes have enough "wiggle room" to move the base when you are indicating the base plate ?
What am I missing?
I love workholding pallet systems like this. Have you seen what Pierson Workholding has to offer?
Or segan
cool 😎
Do you guys do any 4th axis work also what’s the difference between 4th axis simultaneous vs turning on a mill? Jacked up and broke a 1/32 ball mill in aluminum today stupid fingers
I had the same question regarding the need for the base plate. Accordingly, is the base plate placed only to compensate for z-axis reach. Furthermore, could you elaborate on how to probe accurately when you flip the parts between the setups. Many thanks for the very useful content.
The base plate is locked to the table. Then the fixtures position quickly and accurately to the base plate and can be switched out quickly back and forth.
Each part position has a precision hole that serves as XY center location so all you do is probe a single hole for G54 and G55
how do people working in machining and not know these things haha !
if i had to make these hooks id just use a vice to contour the part than make soft jaws to drop the form in
idk, just seems the easiest to me but theres probably a reason why this would be way better
Him: Boom
Nobody else: Boom
Skip the base plate. Looks like you could maybe install locking pins directly in your fixture plates. Also increase your accuracy by canceling out the imperfect pin fit you get in aluminum over time.
Boom
BOOM.
Titan, can you not mount the billet standing up in the 5 axis vice and machine it in one operation on your five axis machining centre? You should be able to access all sides and leave a thin section at the bottom to break it off. It would then only require minimal manual finishing. Save on two fixtures, setting up time and only one program. Boom!
If I could only afford some Shunk
how rigid is the Vero s compared to bolting the vise to the table directly?
I spoke with schunk recently. I forget the kn but it's really Ridgid. Stronger than the 4 1/2-13 bolts to bolt it down.
is there any need for indicating the fixtures after you release the air, so you can have dedicated offsets for the parts. or is the tolerance less then you want?
U ain't gotta indicate that shit Man. Cmon
So you moved to Doosans now?
I looked up that doosan 5k youve got in the background there and damn thats one expensive machine! Must feel good to of worked up to that level, what price range of machine did you start out with?
Check out the video today, it’s actually discussing that very subject.
how are you brother price in CNC lathe machine
Hey Titan, how do you trust the Vero-S system to not move every time you remove any one of your pallets from the base plate or the Vero-S system itself? I would think with every pallet or baseplate you put in there is a new opportunity for the whole system of fixtures to move a thousand or two, and that thousand or two then show up in the part.
The Vero s system is supposed to be accurate to within .005 mm (not inch).
@@warrenriley7716 .0001in
We have been looking for a experienced machinist for months to run our shop in Durango,Colorado, can't find anyone. Where have all the machinist gone?
$$$$ living the good life at shops that pay over 6 figures for a 40 hr week.
형님 밑에서 일해보고싶다...
Может я чего-то не понял, но как по мне не правильно нарезать резьбу соостную классному отверстию для позиционирования в теле плиты, правильнее было бы пропустить винт через гладкое отверсие и зафиксировать гайкой
Why wouldn't you just add the nobble lock down pins to the top plate though. Surely having a quick change system that you then have to slow change a top plate on defeats the object of the exercise.
Ничего нового в этом нет. Этим техникам уже больше 60 лет
interesting whats the income of an average cnc machinist in the US
Why don't you put the vero s system in the bottom of the sub plate and skip the base plate. That way you can load up the sub plate with the next part and just drop it in and go
Why have a subplate on the Vero-S? Just put the Vero-S spuds on the fixture and cut out the need for a subplate
I'm not crazy about only having two small 3/8" or 1/2" bolts holding the pins on, seems like there could be a stronger connection.
Don't worry. It's not 1/2" but M12 🤓
@@norbertfleck812 Well in that case it should be fine. LOL
Making chips wile watching how you make chips... all I need is a bag of chips and I'll be set
Why not have the first and the second op on the same plate? This way, you get one finished hook each cycle and never have to swap the plates.
Tool changes = time = $$$
If you are not cutting chips, you aren't any making money. *2nd op might use more or different tools.
So this is now a zero indication set-up? Seems risky to me, but I'm old school.
Depends on your tolerances. Schunk claims .005mm/.0002" repeatability. If you're talking generic parts with +/-.005" tolerances (or more), it's plenty accurate.
Here is the problem with the machine trade in America. When entry level warehouse work is paying 21+ an hour. Minimum wage rates hit 15 per hour. Why would anyone want the stress and anxiety that comes with precision machining for a dollar or 3 more? Spending decades honing the trade for a few dollars more. Not worth it.
It can be stressful at times like anything, but its not stressful because its precision machining , its just daily work like anything else.
Honestly if u are actually a great machinist with 10-20 years on your back, i doubt ur takehome is
@@Phailox ask yourself what other profession can you devote your entire career to and make 63000 as the top salary? I would advise any young person thinking about a trade to go HVAC or electrical. Pays better and way more upside, such as much easier and cheaper to go into business for yourself one day.
Do you ever use a button tool for chamfering? This video - ua-cam.com/video/mHJMuitzENc/v-deo.html shows how a cycle time was reduced from 8 minutes to 42 seconds by using this one tool instead of 3.
You just showed us who your god is
Lang has a way better system
It's really cool. But why so complicated? Put it directly on the zero point system without a ground plate. You got less material and machining.
It seems like everyone at my work can do better and learn more but none of the set up guys really have the time to spend cause they're doing something else. I been at my place almost a year and I already got 2 dollars more than when I started but I still can do better and learn more despite this other guy who is a know it all but when it comes down to it he doesn't know anything and he'll straight up make you look bad or have you do something and he'll tell the higher ups he did it or he'll throw you under the bus. Anything to make him look better. He's been there 9 years and I guarantee if I was there for 9 years I'd know a lot more than him.
HaaaAhaaaa
Gerardi Spa Italy zero-point system is better
LOL...this guy sends himself to collect NON payments. Guido....
First
Not efficient what so ever. Rip the guy that actually need to run that and 3 other machines and forgetting to bolt that thing down.
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