CA voted worst state of the USA. We closed our company, sold the house and moved out in 04. Since then we have several friends and relatives who have trickled out of the state. My brother is relocating here this summer and that will be the last relative still in CA. We were all relatives of CA. Grew up there, had companies, bought houses etc. but you can only take so much.
Well, hopefully you don't take the same liberal mindset of CA to where ever you're living. Californians migrating to Texas (homestate) makes me cringe. Like a virus, we don't need Californians infecting other blue states.
I left Eureka CA back in 1999 and don't miss it a BIT.... Beautiful county North of SFO up in the Redwoods, but the liberals and the TAXES will make you learn more 4 letter words than you really want to....
Debra Bertelli New Yorkricans in Orlando. Union City Cubans in Hialeah or Miami and whinny Upper West Side Liberal Jews in Fort Lauderdale. Too late Debra, Florida is fucked.
Debra Bertelli Both New York (where I now live)and California (where I once lived)have large conservative minorities. I intend to move to either Texas or Florida in a year and I quarantee you that I am not a liberal. People like me moving down their will make your state more conservative.
"We contend that a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity, is like a man standing in a bucket, and trying to lift himself up by the handle." Winston Churchill
kinn.....elephants are multiplying at a very rapid rate. Many donkeys have jumped ship because they see the disease that liberalism is. You are just too dumb to see this.
@Smith I am an observer, not part of this animal zoo called USA. Therefor i am not elephant nor donkey. When i look at the polls, while at times stable there is a steady loss over the past year in numbers of elephants. I have no clue if you have one, about liberalism. I have come to see that different countries fill in a few different ideals in this. By my definition any democratic party is by default a liberal party as it takes part in a free democratic society. There are a few more aspects surly to it, i just wanted to point out how pointless it is to attack something you are part of. Using ad hominem attacks like calling me dumb, won't help your argument either.
kinn...since you are an observer and not a participant...and not even part of this country...you should really not rely on polls and the media. You call the USA an animal zoo?.....what zoo are you a part of? If you think that where you are from is not a zoo..you are sadly mistaken. There is no exemption from this category. Trump was elected because a huge amount of donkeys voted elephant. The polls all but guaranteed that Hillary would win. You have no argument. You have no idea.
No, please no! We do not want the rich liberals from California moving into lower-tax states. We do not need their liberal values and their liberal money supporting those values. Lower-tax states are the way they are because of CONSERVATIVE values, but they are too retarded to understand that and will try to change wherever they move to the same thing as wherever they've left from.
john scimeca Most of that was nearly incomprehensible but whatever you tried to say in the beginning about Arizona being a low-tax state because neighboring states pay the taxes for us....lol, what? That's not how that works. Your state taxes do not go to another state, they go to your own state. Arizona is a conservative state, so we have our tax laws such that we do not have to pay an absurd amount in taxes. We have far less generous welfare policies than other states, and that is a huge reason.
It's a shame because South Jersey is a beautiful place that's absolutely nothing like the cesspool of the northern half excluding it being illegal to pump your own fuel. The state really ought to be cut into "South Jersey" and "Newark n' shit."
As someone who lives in New Jersey, the main attraction for people living here is the proximity to New York City, Philadelphia, the shore, and that New Jersey hosts some of the best colleges in the country! Princeton, Rutgers, Farleigh-Dickinson, William Patterson, TCNJ, NJIT, and DeVry university are all located in New Jersey. New Jersey is also the weirdest state in the union in terms of ghost stories, urban legends, ghost towns/abandoned asylums, ufo sightings, sea monster sightings, ghost ships, and our resident cryptid: the Jersey devil (there's been two books written about it). While I do confess that the taxes and gun laws here are ridiculous and often confusing and is a legitimate reason for leaving. New Jersey remains the most densely populated state in the country (1,200 people per square mile, according to the u.s census bureau).
It isn't only the 1%-ers...... I'm a conservative and middle class.... and lived in NYS all my life but couldn't take it anymore. Near Buffalo, ..... 6 months of brutal winter, Socialist / Leftist politics....and a home tax bill of nearly $10,000 / yr. for my upscale, but still middle-class home. Picked up and moved to South Carolina, near the "beach"......warm weather, friendly, red politics....and a home tax of $600 /year....less than I paid in NYS in a MONTH !!!
@@TheWilferch Thing is, I have facebook friends here in Florida that are posting memes of turning the state blue. THey are so clueless of what they are asking for.
Biggest problem is so many of these wealthy residents leaving are democrats but what really is bad news is so many of these individuals leaving democratic States for Republican States are government union pensioners who don't want to stay because of the high taxes imposed to pay for their pensions. They don't want to live in these high tax areas so they run to red states to retire and continue to collect those pensions. Why don't those blue states tax their pensions as non homesteaders? Worst thing is. These assholes that ruin their blue states want to change the red states they move to into blue states like venerial disease!
Gregory Everson No, you STFU. Those funds have been stolen by those in charge of them to contribute to the democrats campaigns, they've been used to invest in losing endeavors so the managers of those investments can make huge commissions, they've been used to build resorts and clubs for it's officers, and it's lost large sums of money in the stock market. And there are many pensioners who have bought their way into those pension along with some.getting pensions from two funds at the same time. Let's see you deny it. Where does your dumb ass think that pension money is located? In some bank earning .O5 percent interest? The union pension funds are the only entity that can gamble, steal, invest, and lose its' money and expect the taxpayers to make up the loss. So you, STFU! with your typical democratic smoke screen that the States are at fault and THEY EARNED THOSE PENSIONS BULL SHIT!
Larry Kraut States funding their government retirees tried to do exactly that. Claiming the income was taxable to state of its source, reguardless of where the retiree lived. It went to the Supreme court. The court ruled against the states. So for example, if a California retiree moves to Nevada, they do not have to pay taxes on any retirement income to California, even if California is the source of that income. They can actually still have a house and be in California part time, but they need to be able to prove they are in California less that 50% of the time. However, if for example, you move but continue to own rental property in California, and live in Nevada, any profits from those rentals remains taxable in California reguardless of where you live. If Nevada had a state income tax, then California retiree income would be taxable in Nevada, or fall under NV tax laws at least. If you are actively working in California, but live in another state more than 50% of the time, the opposite is true, the income remains taxable to the state you work in, reguardless of where you live. Clear as mud.
David Sine Was it the United States Supreme Court or the State Supreme Court that made that ruling and we're the democrats in control when it was passed. In my state the democrats wait until they control the state then the state supreme Court passes legislation to guarantee those pensions and add it to the state constitution. Then when politicians try do any pensions reform the democrats scream YOU CAN'T TOUCH THE PENSIONS, IT'S IN THE CONSTITUTION! Like out founding fathers or God wrote it! My democratic states' supreme Court passed a bill last summer that rules that one of its' towns with a firemans' and policemans' pension fund that has only about 27% funding can Levi taxes on the property owners to fund it even if the town goes bankrupt. This town is a total shithole. High crime, massive government fraud, almost total minority, run by democrat criminal politicians. It probably doesn't have a resident that makes over 40K. who isn't a town employee. The county gives anybody that makes under 55K a real estate tax exemption. Over 65 gets a senior exemption. There is a homestead exemption. These property owners, rightfully so, pay about 1/3 of what others pay. When the county auctions these properties off for back taxes no one wants to bid on them. When these banks foreclose on these properties no one wants to buy them, when a homeowner wants to sell their house no one wants to buy it. WOULD YOU? Not only is this town going to go broke, no one is going to want to work for it or live in it knowing there is no $4,000.00 per month pension once they turn 50! This town is going to be a ghost town. But this state supreme Court ruling has set a precedent for every single town and city in the state. All done by the democrats and those ignorant fools who vote for them. The voters are too stupid and too lazy to see and believe what is right in front of them ! The democratic politicians know it but don't care. THEY WANT THOSE UNION FINANCIAL CONTRIBUTIONS AND VOTES!
Larry Kraut US supreme court. If it was heard in any state court, the state bringing it would have won. The issue is an inter state issue, so it's a Federal question. Reguardless, what I posted previously is correct. The issue regarding state taxability of state funded pensions is well defined. State of residence is the controlling factor. Just for clarification, this does not mean pensions sourced from other states cannot be taxed in the state where you become a resident. IOWs it's up to each individual state of residence as to whether they tax pensions sourced from other states or not. But no state may tax a NON resident's state pension, using source income as their justification.
What happened in Maryland is the same as what happened in France, the previous French government taxed people earning more than 1 million euro's at a rate of 75%. Several millionaires (including actor Gerard Depardieu) left the country and took their money with them.
I got out of there years ago. The thing is there's a reciprocal agreement with Virginia so most of the people that really care about that stuff moved to Virginia a long time ago. I mean if you're in the DC area it really is that easy to get out of there and basically stay in the same city. This more recent tax increase was the final straw for some people I guess but even before that why were they paying 8% to Maryland when they could be paying 5.75% to Virginia?
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That's exactly what caused the British Invasion of the 1960s. So many rich British entertainers moved to the US to avoid high taxes. The highest tax bracket at the time was 98%. True, look it up.
I'm in CT. My family is here. It's not getting better. Keep trying to retire, but, have to keep going back to work to make ends meet. Worked 45 years. Turning 67 in a few days. My daughter, her husband and baby living with her in-laws. Trying to move to a larger house, so I can take them in. Our new Governor is another rich Democrat. Hopeless.
Probably scrambling like roaches when the lights go on.CA. is beyond repair, it needs total Govt.revamping which would result in a complete melt down. Imagine a Govt. that actually governed.
I wish I was rich just to move out of Illinois ….. not for taxes but to get away from these socialists in Chicago that run this State which sucks !!!!!!
How can a state that has almost every natural resource within its borders, wealth most countries can't even dream of having.. an 840 mile long coastline that is home to one of the largest military and civilian ports in the world, ideal weather conditions, some of the highest taxes on the planet be nearly a Trillion dollars in debt? The Democrats have controlled The State Legislature for 48 years in a row and during that time the infrastructure that has not been maintained or improved, we have virtually no public transportation and only one of every 10 school employees is a teacher. The state spends 100's of millions on housing feeding and lawyers for illegal aliens at a time California does not have enough housing for her own citizens, if you're lucky enough to find an apartment you are paying some of the highest rents in the nation. Wouldn't it be nice to have leaders who actually fought for our rights? and why is California paying Eric Holder $400,000 a year for his advice? Are you kidding me? Do not let these yahoo's tell you California's budget is balanced what they fail to add is the $600 Billion deficit in the Retired State Workers Pension Fund and when that bomb blows up it will be hell on earth austerity for the rest of us. The Democrats who wrote up these ridiculously generous pension laws should be imprisoned or better yet shot. Don't get me going on PG&E who's rates are set by Democrats and who give generously to them and why we pay over .40 cents a Kwh for our electricity when the national average is .09 cent a Kwh. I refuse to believe the people of Calif are this stupid. There has to be massive voter fraud going on and is the reason they are so mad dog hysterical at even the mention of a voter ID law. But there preparing for that too by making every voter in the state an absentee voter but all the major races are between two Democrats anyway and you couldn't vote for another party if you wanted to. I wish the Feds would seize this state or at the least sieze PG&E. I have been in this state all my life and my feelings for liberals would redefine the word Hatred and should the President ever ask for a Call To Arms to fight them I"M DOWN! and I would be merciless.
A Trillion Dollars? really? according to www.usdebtclock.org/state-debt-clocks/state-of-california-debt-clock.html the debt is as of now around 428 million USD...
+Kamakiri711 According to your source (www.usdebtclock.org/state-debt-clocks/state-of-california-debt-clock.html ), California's debt is more than 428 billion USD. (428,000,000,000)
phillip kalaveras I could not have said this better. I was born in California in 1948, used to be the best state, now it is turning into a cesspool. Look at the 2018 elections where Orange and San Diego counties went democrat! There needs to be some investigation into voter fraud and not by the Dems!
California is a state that believes drought is so bad that it need not build any reservoirs to capture spring runoff. That's the logic of California leadership.
My entire family left California except for a couple because of work They said the cost of living and taxes are just too high They moved with us to Florida where we have no state income tax
Interesting. I didn't see this happening at all. The middle class is leaving California (I am among them) and we are/were the people paying most of the taxes for the failed policies of the California government. That would leave only a lot of poor people and a few rich people, which would mean the state would have to go after the rich to pay for these failed policies. I just didn't think those pinheads were smart enough to figure that out but, apparently, they have and are trying to delay the inevitable. As others have posted, these idiots will never be able to realize or admit that their ideology is idiotic and cannot work. They will double-down. They will go after the rich, and the rich will leave. The only people left over will be illegal aliens, homeless people and the working poor who are too poor to move out of the state. California will collapse.
Here in Connecticut now their are going after companies that did not charge sales tax for the names of their customers.Than the state sends you a bill .
I left California because trying to build a new building for my business was delayed 4 times for environmental studies and other bs. Got to Texas and took less than a month for all the permits.
New York is the highest taxed state. Back in the 1960's and 1970's NY had the most electoral votes of any state with 45. Today NY is now tied with Florida for third most with 29. The loss of electoral votes shows the loss of people in NY and the gains in other states. Almost every high taxed state in the north east has lost many electoral votes. Partly due to the high taxes and also the cold, snowy winters and the flooding of Mexicans to Cal, Texas and other southern states
That's the *direct* result of the original Gov. Cuomo, who taxed every blue collar working class business out of existence, forcing them to flee to other states to stay in business. Doesn't look like his kid is any smarter. I'd feel sorry for NY'ers... but they brought it on themselves back then and they haven't learned a damn thing since.
It's mostly because of New York City. People think of NY as a liberal state but it's really NYC with the majority of the counties conservative and republican. Much of Upstate NY wants to break away and form their own state because they hate being dominated by NYC liberals. Trump won 47 of the 62 counties in NY but the New York City counties and the counties closest to NYC have 60% of the state's population. And they live in such a tiny piece of land; it's like a jungle. Here's some NYC stats and why NY is so liberal. New York has the highest population density of any major city in the United States, with over 27,000 people per square mile. Over 3 million of New York City's residents are foreign-born; over one-quarter arrived in 2000 or later.
True enough about that cesspool NYC... but there are still a lot of braindead dem supporting Upstate residents too. Born and raised there, and I'm ashamed to say my relatives and former classmates who still live there vote for the left. Not sorry I left decades ago, just sorry that so many throughout the northeast refuse to think for themselves and are happy to let the MSM dictate their thoughts for them. Upstate NY is a broken down, dilapidated wasteland now - barren of any worthwhile private sector jobs. The only new buildings all seem to be gov't buildings - either state, local, or federal. They got what they wanted - Dems in office. Now they get what they deserved.
Agreed and upstate NY really was hurt when manufacturing began leaving in the 1990's. The hope is that many of these decent paying manufacturing jobs come back, but even if do; they might not want any part of the high taxed states like NY. Why would a business come back to America and set up in a high taxed state?
I have been living in San Diego California since 1968. By the end November 2019 my wife and I will be leaving California for good. Today, 10/29/2019 I finalized a date for the moving company to pick up our household goods. We can't wait to put California behind us!
Unfortunately the Californacation of Nevada is now complete. So many people have fled CA. and relocated here they’ve changed totally the politics of the state. We now have one of the highest sales tax rates in the country. The highest auto registration fees and with the legalization of marijuana our schools still suffer budget short falls. Marijuana was approved with the understanding that the tax would go to the school system. It’s been diverted and used in ways never conceived by those who voted for it. Democrats never met a tax they didn’t like. City council in Las Vegas just passed a five dollar a month increase in garbage fees to clean up after the homeless. 😬
Maryland lost more than money. we moved to PA from MD and lower cost of living, lower taxes(for retierees anyway) as repubs are vote counts ALOT more. less criminal coddling, better gun laws, etc-etc-etc-etc. we don't have millions but we have several hundred thousand. and were taking that money and the stability people like us bring to PA-- where they know how to treat a brother!!!!!!
The problem is (a lot of the time) those people Vote the same way--- ie they leave High-Crime-High-Tax Maryland, and come to Virginia, and still vote for Libs
Considering libtards not only have less children but they actively promote the killing of children, it's up to us conservatives to out breed them. I plan on having 4 to 5 kids if I have the chance too.
WY Chinsg ….. I would think that those whom can afford to move out , will …….. Those that can't will remain and vote democrat because the tend to rely on the state for handouts . You don't bite the hand that feeds you , but these people don't realize that the hand is those who are leaving and taking their money and businesses with them.
It's not just the rich my friend, ordinary folks like me are not happy with the high taxes. It has taken everything to keep myself above water living in NY. I'm planning a move else where because I can't live like this anymore. If the rich have a problem staying there, then imagine the rest of us.
When the rich leave that leaves folks like you to pay the bills its how it works sweety folks can run down the rich as much as they like but they are the people keeping the lights on.
I was living in Sarasota, Florida in the early 80s. The next county north was Manatee, and they had a booming, thriving boat-building business, primarily those $100,000 and over boats. The geniuses in county gov't thought they would put an extra 10% tax on boats over $100,000. The boat business closed within 6 months, never to return. Something like 25 boat builders (chris-craft yachts, Donzi's, Bayliners, Boston Whalers etc). People with money will pay until they feel it isn't fair. Poor and middle class people just sigh, say "fuck me " and turn the money over. Rich people say " fuck YOU" and leave, taking their money with them. Luxury homes took a big hit. Construction workers had no jobs. Boat builders had no jobs. Car dealerships ran out of customers. Restaurants saw a huge decline in people eating out. People quit driving as much, buying less gas, so paying less highway taxes. Far fewer people went to the mall, so many stores closed, the entire housing industry, including homes with mortgages began to empty, property taxes for schools dried up. The ripple effect was shocking. Oh, both communities recovered. Sarasota is wealthy, and beautiful. But the devastation was immense. It just ruined the middle and lower-middle class. Yep...go ahead California. Soak the rich!!!! They have no choice but to suck it up!...fucking moronic liberals.
To add a HUGE insult to a GIGANTIC injury, when the (over-whelmingly) Democrat political hacks began to get deserved ass-whippings, they actually blamed Republicans for the problem. It just happened to be that the 2 counties , Sarasota (decidedly Republican, at a time I was Democrat) and Manatee (overwhelmingly Democrat and working class) were very different in their political make up etc. An example, WAAAAAAAAY back in the early to mid 60s , a group dedicated itself to the preservation of the Sarasota Bay and its overall health. They called it Save Our Bay...which made for a cool acronym! SOB!! In any event, there had been an incredible amount of dredge and fill since the 40s, ESPECIALLY in the late 50s early 60s, and was reaching a fucking crescendo! The (tax and spend) Democrats put that $10,000 luxury tax on the boats and goodbye, and I mean GOOD FUCKING BYE, to the boatbuilding business as a whole. No matter little Bayliners or 17' Boston Whalers weren't luxury craft and weren't subject to the tax. The perception was, as loss of jobs just cascaded through the communities, that buying a boat was a decision best put off for now. For awhile. Perhaps a couple of years. Maybe til Junior graduates from college. It WOULD be nice if he and his friends could cruise the bay at will ( and we did. It was next to Heavenly. Marvelous. Incredible. Oysters, bridge fishing (no license required!) skin-diving, skiing, scuba, spear-fishing, bridge-jumping, private dock confiscation, exploring all the small "spoil" islands sprinkled throughout the Bay, curiousity about EVERYTHING underwater! And the Bay had just begun, in my 4 or 5 short years of being seriously in love with the Bay and its gifts and joys, well, I began to see its disintegration before my very eyes. Then I went to Vietnam for 2.5 years and settled in Phoenix for 5 more. When I returned I could not recognize it. wow. Anyways, that tax fucked over some serious people. Families. Children. Businesses. Government revenues (uhhhh...taxes, to the rest of us). The Democrats claimed Republicans, somehow (they never were clear HOW exactly these nefarious, slimey, hate-mongers DID it) but these damned awful terrible people-hating racists had fired everyone, closed all the businesses (which of course were owned mostly by Republicans), thereby shirking their moral duty to provide jobs and pay taxes, the bastards. Fortunately, there was a county line. And one could straddle that line, one foot in a socialistic world, failing and falling deeper in debt by the day, the other foot in a Capitalistic Republic-type county, thriving and bustling, hopping and shopping, movin and groovin.....and even willing to share! Sarasota would take on most of the costs associated with keeping the Bay healthy. Sarasota would have recreation programs for the youth that were open to those from Manatee. County-line Road....really a road exactly on the county line, had expenses that the Feds, Staters, or districts would pay, but the relevant county would. Again, Sarasota agreed to pay for the entirety of the roads local expenses. In the end, the Democrats simply pointed out how they (Democrats) saved the day...their policies prevented the 2 counties from certain death, had the fucking GALL to blame Republicans for the cause of it all......namely greedy business owners trying to fuck over the general public. AHH, Democrats ...the Horses asses of horses asses.And this election cycle for President has high-lighted the dipshits. I just have such a difficult time believing people BUY what the Democrats sell. Trying to IMPEACH this President? Are they in fucking sane? This guy, in the face of such adversity almost insurmountable, has put this Nation together, working, thriving, businesses returning, taxes cut, yet tax revenues increase! Just employing the magic of the market place when unfettered by excessive government influence. Oh well. If he can get through this term, and maybe the 2nd term, he could have made 4 or 5 Supreme Court appointments, and that oughta just tidy this shit up real nice for 50 years or so. God Bless America.If you had the fucking persistence to read this entire post....holy shit!! you are amazing!...lol...
Rich people don't get rich by being stupid. If they think they're going to tax them exorbitantly, then they will move to someplace where there more appreciated. This is one of the reasons that's socialism - communism does not work. Cuz communism - socialism Works real well as long as you have some rich people to steal from but when the rich people run out of money or move away then you don't have any more rich people to steal from then your system falls apart. All of the rich people are leaving California they take their money with them out of their Banks so that it cannot be lent to Californians, which in turn destroys the California economy that's why they're in such deep debt right now at least one of the reasons anyway.
Had to buy some DOM steel today in Ca. A 6ft piece of DOM steel in Ca cost $75 plus $23 to ship to me within this state. Found the same piece but at 7ft (an extra ft) online from a steel supplier in Ohio for $35 plus $22 to ship. Huge difference.
I left Chicago for the Blue Ridge Mountains of North Carolina. My property tax for a comparable house went from $5,000 to $1,000. Most of my other expenses went way down as well. Screw Illinois, New York and California.
We just need to outbreed these socalist pigs. I'm planning on up to 4 to 5 kids, and also encourage my kids to each have 4 to 5. They'll all be homeschooled and away from the government indoctrination.
On the subject of leaving California, I have a suggestion for something else to leave California.....The Colorado river. Re-route it to Nevada and Arizona fields.
This is why you don't constantly obliged everything that Millionaires and Billionaires want... Because, as Soon, they have any inkling of-- non-Preferential treatments, they Move... They have really no loyalty to anything or anyone other than themselves... it's the Corporatist way.
I love the smell of communism in the morning!!(sarcasm) A door liberal says he killed over a hundred people. Joker: Any women or children? Liberal: Sometimes. Joker: How can you shoot women and children? Liberal: Easy, you just don't lead them so much. Aka you just abort them as much as you can!!!!
I’m giving CA at least 4 more years. If it doesn’t get better then I’m selling my home and leaving for NV, TX of FL. Only reason why I don’t leave sooner is because I’m required to own my home for two years and to avoid capital gains tax I need to own my home for 5 years. More inclined to take my business to one of those states and just make trips back to CA for meetings.
The game, after the 2018 midterm elections, is going to be drive in various states to get their remaining citizens to answer the U.S. Census for 2020. Regardless of Gerrymandering, the true fortune of a state is number of seats in the House of Representatives. Will not be surprised if there is not another attempt to push for additional representation for Puerto Rico and other U.S. Territories if there is too much of a shift from the coasts into the interior of the country.
On Monday, Wednesday and Friday I hear that the rich are leaving California. On Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday I hear there are too many rich in the state. My head is spinning.
My friends son was making 350k per year in .Ca. he left that job for a new job in Austin TX at 200k per year.. He said he's is doing much better financially with TX.
Well if state Demecrat lawmakers choose to keep raising taxes and fees, along with additional taxes disguised as surcharges/fees in their home state(s) at some point even the wealthy will leave, because even they have their limits as to what they will spend.
CA voted worst state of the USA. We closed our company, sold the house and moved out in 04. Since then we have several friends and relatives who have trickled out of the state. My brother is relocating here this summer and that will be the last relative still in CA. We were all relatives of CA. Grew up there, had companies, bought houses etc. but you can only take so much.
Well, hopefully you don't take the same liberal mindset of CA to where ever you're living. Californians migrating to Texas (homestate) makes me cringe. Like a virus, we don't need Californians infecting other blue states.
That can’t be true. Illinois has to be worst. At least Cali has weather and tech corporations for jobs.
Sounds like an oaklahoman refugees blood
tell your family to quit voting for dems. I bet you all still vote for the donkey shit party
I left Eureka CA back in 1999 and don't miss it a BIT.... Beautiful county North of SFO up in the Redwoods, but the liberals and the TAXES will make you learn more 4 letter words than you really want to....
Don't come to Florida. We don't need your liberal money or your liberal ideas.
Debra Bertelli New Yorkricans in Orlando. Union City Cubans in Hialeah or Miami and whinny Upper West Side Liberal Jews in Fort Lauderdale. Too late Debra, Florida is fucked.
Scats Scats Be nice. No need to be so nasty.
Debra Bertelli. Don't come to OHIO either.
FUCK NFL i agree. I love Ohio.
Debra Bertelli Both New York (where I now live)and California (where I once lived)have large conservative minorities. I intend to move to either Texas or Florida in a year and I quarantee you that I am not a liberal. People like me moving down their will make your state more conservative.
"We contend that a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity, is like a man standing in a bucket, and trying to lift himself up by the handle." Winston Churchill
That's a serious analogy
Smart guy ol Winy!!
Donkeys don't understand economics.
I call it a JACKASS!!!
Elephants are going extinxt, at least Don Jr. gets another trophy
kinn.....elephants are multiplying at a very rapid rate. Many donkeys have jumped ship because they see the disease that liberalism is. You are just too dumb to see this.
@Smith I am an observer, not part of this animal zoo called USA. Therefor i am not elephant nor donkey. When i look at the polls, while at times stable there is a steady loss over the past year in numbers of elephants.
I have no clue if you have one, about liberalism. I have come to see that different countries fill in a few different ideals in this. By my definition any democratic party is by default a liberal party as it takes part in a free democratic society. There are a few more aspects surly to it, i just wanted to point out how pointless it is to attack something you are part of.
Using ad hominem attacks like calling me dumb, won't help your argument either.
kinn...since you are an observer and not a participant...and not even part of this country...you should really not rely on polls and the media. You call the USA an animal zoo?.....what zoo are you a part of? If you think that where you are from is not a zoo..you are sadly mistaken. There is no exemption from this category. Trump was elected because a huge amount of donkeys voted elephant. The polls all but guaranteed that Hillary would win. You have no argument. You have no idea.
Wouldnt that be great if the Hollywood people lived all alone in their own little abandoned ghost town lol hope it happens
But who will mow the lawn, prepare the food and wash the cloths!? Will someone PLEASE think of the DREAMERS!!! HAHAH
No, please no! We do not want the rich liberals from California moving into lower-tax states. We do not need their liberal values and their liberal money supporting those values. Lower-tax states are the way they are because of CONSERVATIVE values, but they are too retarded to understand that and will try to change wherever they move to the same thing as wherever they've left from.
john scimeca
Most of that was nearly incomprehensible but whatever you tried to say in the beginning about Arizona being a low-tax state because neighboring states pay the taxes for us....lol, what? That's not how that works. Your state taxes do not go to another state, they go to your own state. Arizona is a conservative state, so we have our tax laws such that we do not have to pay an absurd amount in taxes. We have far less generous welfare policies than other states, and that is a huge reason.
Only if they take their beloved illegals with them . To support them and leave the rest of America to helping Americans ....
@john scimeca Actually it is 5th economy in the world. God bless California the Paradise on Earth.
New Jersey has a declining population, that speaks for itself!
I'm actually planning on moving out of Jersey when I get a chance, in case anyone in Texas wants to adopt me.
It's a shame because South Jersey is a beautiful place that's absolutely nothing like the cesspool of the northern half excluding it being illegal to pump your own fuel. The state really ought to be cut into "South Jersey" and "Newark n' shit."
As someone who lives in New Jersey, the main attraction for people living here is the proximity to New York City, Philadelphia, the shore, and that New Jersey hosts some of the best colleges in the country! Princeton, Rutgers, Farleigh-Dickinson, William Patterson, TCNJ, NJIT, and DeVry university are all located in New Jersey. New Jersey is also the weirdest state in the union in terms of ghost stories, urban legends, ghost towns/abandoned asylums, ufo sightings, sea monster sightings, ghost ships, and our resident cryptid: the Jersey devil (there's been two books written about it).
While I do confess that the taxes and gun laws here are ridiculous and often confusing and is a legitimate reason for leaving. New Jersey remains the most densely populated state in the country (1,200 people per square mile, according to the u.s census bureau).
I was born and raised in NJ. Left for Texas 25 years ago. Will never go back to that Democrat cesspool.
I will believe that when the traffic thins out.
Anybody with brains and money would leave a blue state.
I live in CT, and it's becoming unbearable. The only people who can afford it here are hedge fund managers and government employees.
When a government needs to prevent its people from leaving, that's a sign that they're doing something wrong.
It isn't only the 1%-ers...... I'm a conservative and middle class.... and lived in NYS all my life but couldn't take it anymore. Near Buffalo, ..... 6 months of brutal winter, Socialist / Leftist politics....and a home tax bill of nearly $10,000 / yr. for my upscale, but still middle-class home. Picked up and moved to South Carolina, near the "beach"......warm weather, friendly, red politics....and a home tax of $600 /year....less than I paid in NYS in a MONTH !!!
Wil Ferch Amen South Carolina is awesome ! My second home.
Any number of other states coild have woked too.... Florida, Texas, etc......some SW states, etc.....
Wil Ferch What? 10k? And I thought Norway is expensive..
I moved from NJ to SC. My 2400 sq ft home in 1994 was taxed at $6900 in NJ; now currently my 5800 sq ft home in SC $2800
@@TheWilferch Thing is, I have facebook friends here in Florida that are posting memes of turning the state blue. THey are so clueless of what they are asking for.
My Baby Sis still lives on LI, NY.
Her property taxes exceeded my entire mortgage in the Midwest. And I had a couple acres of yard, and three houses!
“The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.” ― Margaret Thatcher
Biggest problem is so many of these wealthy residents leaving are democrats but what really is bad news is so many of these individuals leaving democratic States for Republican States are government union pensioners who don't want to stay because of the high taxes imposed to pay for their pensions. They don't want to live in these high tax areas so they run to red states to retire and continue to collect those pensions. Why don't those blue states tax their pensions as non homesteaders?
Worst thing is. These assholes that ruin their blue states want to change the red states they move to into blue states like venerial disease!
they earned them pensions, so STFU, and pensions arent bad, wanna know why states get behind in them, they stop paying their share
Gregory Everson
No, you STFU.
Those funds have been stolen by those in charge of them to contribute to the democrats campaigns, they've been used to invest in losing endeavors so the managers of those investments can make huge commissions, they've been used to build resorts and clubs for it's officers, and it's lost large sums of money in the stock market. And there are many pensioners who have bought their way into those pension along with some.getting pensions from two funds at the same time. Let's see you deny it.
Where does your dumb ass think that pension money is located? In some bank earning .O5 percent interest?
The union pension funds are the only entity that can gamble, steal, invest, and lose its' money and expect the taxpayers to make up the loss.
So you, STFU! with your typical democratic smoke screen that the States are at fault and THEY EARNED THOSE PENSIONS BULL SHIT!
Larry Kraut States funding their government retirees tried to do exactly that. Claiming the income was taxable to state of its source, reguardless of where the retiree lived. It went to the Supreme court. The court ruled against the states. So for example, if a California retiree moves to Nevada, they do not have to pay taxes on any retirement income to California, even if California is the source of that income. They can actually still have a house and be in California part time, but they need to be able to prove they are in California less that 50% of the time. However, if for example, you move but continue to own rental property in California, and live in Nevada, any profits from those rentals remains taxable in California reguardless of where you live. If Nevada had a state income tax, then California retiree income would be taxable in Nevada, or fall under NV tax laws at least. If you are actively working in California, but live in another state more than 50% of the time, the opposite is true, the income remains taxable to the state you work in, reguardless of where you live. Clear as mud.
David Sine
Was it the United States Supreme Court or the State Supreme Court that made that ruling and we're the democrats in control when it was passed.
In my state the democrats wait until they control the state then the state supreme Court passes legislation to guarantee those pensions and add it to the state constitution. Then when politicians try do any pensions reform the democrats scream YOU CAN'T TOUCH THE PENSIONS, IT'S IN THE CONSTITUTION!
Like out founding fathers or God wrote it!
My democratic states' supreme Court passed a bill last summer that rules that one of its' towns with a firemans' and policemans' pension fund that has only about 27% funding can Levi taxes on the property owners to fund it even if the town goes bankrupt.
This town is a total shithole.
High crime, massive government fraud, almost total minority, run by democrat criminal politicians. It probably doesn't have a resident that makes over 40K. who isn't a town employee. The county gives anybody that makes under 55K a real estate tax exemption. Over 65 gets a senior exemption. There is a homestead exemption. These property owners, rightfully so, pay about 1/3 of what others pay.
When the county auctions these properties off for back taxes no one wants to bid on them. When these banks foreclose on these properties no one wants to buy them, when a homeowner wants to sell their house no one wants to buy it. WOULD YOU?
Not only is this town going to go broke, no one is going to want to work for it or live in it knowing there is no $4,000.00 per month pension once they turn 50!
This town is going to be a ghost town.
But this state supreme Court ruling has set a precedent for every single town and city in the state.
All done by the democrats and those ignorant fools who vote for them.
The voters are too stupid and too lazy to see and believe what is right in front of them ! The democratic politicians know it but don't care. THEY WANT THOSE UNION FINANCIAL CONTRIBUTIONS AND VOTES!
Larry Kraut US supreme court. If it was heard in any state court, the state bringing it would have won. The issue is an inter state issue, so it's a Federal question. Reguardless, what I posted previously is correct. The issue regarding state taxability of state funded pensions is well defined. State of residence is the controlling factor. Just for clarification, this does not mean pensions sourced from other states cannot be taxed in the state where you become a resident. IOWs it's up to each individual state of residence as to whether they tax pensions sourced from other states or not. But no state may tax a NON resident's state pension, using source income as their justification.
I’m out in April 2018. Moving to Utah. Cannot wait. Don’t worry I’m republican and conservative.
What happened in Maryland is the same as what happened in France, the previous French government taxed people earning more than 1 million euro's at a rate of 75%. Several millionaires (including actor Gerard Depardieu) left the country and took their money with them.
Wojak Feels It’s criminal to tax anyone on income XD
I got out of there years ago. The thing is there's a reciprocal agreement with Virginia so most of the people that really care about that stuff moved to Virginia a long time ago. I mean if you're in the DC area it really is that easy to get out of there and basically stay in the same city. This more recent tax increase was the final straw for some people I guess but even before that why were they paying 8% to Maryland when they could be paying 5.75% to Virginia?
That's exactly what caused the British Invasion of the 1960s. So many rich British entertainers moved to the US to avoid high taxes. The highest tax bracket at the time was 98%. True, look it up.
md loves their illegals over and above the American citizens!!!! It's a shame that we have to live under a communist legislature like md's
People who want to raise taxes on the rich don't care about fair. They care about looking good to the poor voters who think they are being helped.
This has been going on in Connecticut for years!
totally with you on that one
I'm in CT. My family is here. It's not getting better. Keep trying to retire, but, have to keep going back to work to make ends meet. Worked 45 years. Turning 67 in a few days. My daughter, her husband and baby living with her in-laws. Trying to move to a larger house, so I can take them in. Our new Governor is another rich Democrat. Hopeless.
The other side of those welcome signs must read...don't bother turning off the lights,there's no one left to pay the bill.
I AM SECOND I lived in Forestville,Ca.for a couple years in the early 90's. Was like land of the lost. Nothing but Sleestacks...
Probably scrambling like roaches when the lights go on.CA. is beyond repair, it needs total Govt.revamping which would result in a complete melt down. Imagine a Govt. that actually governed.
My California house is for sale. I just CANT WAIT to get the hell out of this cesspool.
I wish I was rich just to move out of Illinois ….. not for taxes but to get away from these socialists in Chicago that run this State which sucks !!!!!!
How can a state that has almost every natural resource within its borders, wealth most countries can't even dream of having.. an 840 mile long coastline that is home to one of the largest military and civilian ports in the world, ideal weather conditions, some of the highest taxes on the planet be nearly a Trillion dollars in debt? The Democrats have controlled The State Legislature for 48 years in a row and during that time the infrastructure that has not been maintained or improved, we have virtually no public transportation and only one of every 10 school employees is a teacher. The state spends 100's of millions on housing feeding and lawyers for illegal aliens at a time California does not have enough housing for her own citizens, if you're lucky enough to find an apartment you are paying some of the highest rents in the nation. Wouldn't it be nice to have leaders who actually fought for our rights? and why is California paying Eric Holder $400,000 a year for his advice? Are you kidding me?
Do not let these yahoo's tell you California's budget is balanced what they fail to add is the $600 Billion deficit in the Retired State Workers Pension Fund and when that bomb blows up it will be hell on earth austerity for the rest of us. The Democrats who wrote up these ridiculously generous pension laws should be imprisoned or better yet shot. Don't get me going on PG&E who's rates are set by Democrats and who give generously to them and why we pay over .40 cents a Kwh for our electricity when the national average is .09 cent a Kwh. I refuse to believe the people of Calif are this stupid. There has to be massive voter fraud going on and is the reason they are so mad dog hysterical at even the mention of a voter ID law. But there preparing for that too by making every voter in the state an absentee voter but all the major races are between two Democrats anyway and you couldn't vote for another party if you wanted to.
I wish the Feds would seize this state or at the least sieze PG&E. I have been in this state all my life and my feelings for liberals would redefine the word Hatred and should the President ever ask for a Call To Arms to fight them I"M DOWN! and I would be merciless.
A Trillion Dollars? really? according to www.usdebtclock.org/state-debt-clocks/state-of-california-debt-clock.html the debt is as of now around 428 million USD...
+Kamakiri711 According to your source (www.usdebtclock.org/state-debt-clocks/state-of-california-debt-clock.html ), California's debt is more than 428 billion USD. (428,000,000,000)
phillip kalaveras I could not have said this better. I was born in California in 1948, used to be the best state, now it is turning into a cesspool.
Look at the 2018 elections where Orange and San Diego counties went democrat! There needs to be some investigation into voter fraud and not by the Dems!
California is a state that believes drought is so bad that it need not build any reservoirs to capture spring runoff. That's the logic of California leadership.
@@harrymills2770 Here's more logic for you: it's illegal to collect rainwater on your own property.
Not only the rich are leaving these states...
As a former Democrat who became Republican in 2016 all i can say is...the Democrats' chickens are coming home to roost.
My entire family left California except for a couple because of work
They said the cost of living and taxes are just too high
They moved with us to Florida where we have no state income tax
Democrats: Promising Paradise While Delivering Disaster.
I live in New York and I've known so many people who have run away as soon as they reach retirement age.
ILLEGALS cost Ca. $23,000,000,000 per year! (Not including FED costs!)
That's an awful lot of TAX!
California is beyond the point of no return!
We have always voted with our feet. Why suffer the abuse and disrespect of our efforts! Florida has great locations, two Coasts, no income tax.
He forgot to mention Connecticut. Several ultra rich are leaving that state too. Now their budget gap is wider than the Grand Canyon.
Interesting. I didn't see this happening at all. The middle class is leaving California (I am among them) and we are/were the people paying most of the taxes for the failed policies of the California government. That would leave only a lot of poor people and a few rich people, which would mean the state would have to go after the rich to pay for these failed policies. I just didn't think those pinheads were smart enough to figure that out but, apparently, they have and are trying to delay the inevitable. As others have posted, these idiots will never be able to realize or admit that their ideology is idiotic and cannot work. They will double-down. They will go after the rich, and the rich will leave. The only people left over will be illegal aliens, homeless people and the working poor who are too poor to move out of the state. California will collapse.
This sucks because I own property here and built roots.
And then California will expect a Government Bail Out.
Won't happen as then other states will want a bail out and there is not enough money for it
O bet your dumb arse still voted democrat!
You are loser. Good-bye.
Here in Connecticut now their are going after companies that did not charge sales tax for the names of their customers.Than the state sends you a bill .
Yeah, who didn't see this coming?
It's not just the rich. I'm from CT and the middle class has been fleeing for years, soon the only ones left will be the super rich and the leeches.
i think they should all stay they made that mess they should be made too stay their and fix the problem.
How long will it be before those states start trying to prohibit businesses and rich people from leaving and try to post guards at the state line?
There's always alternate methods; where there's a will, there's a way.
Born and raised in Liberal, crooked, broke, cold ILLINOIS. Left and sought a new life in the Free State of ARIZONA.
Well I bet you dont miss the cold lol
I left California because trying to build a new building for my business was delayed 4 times for environmental studies and other bs. Got to Texas and took less than a month for all the permits.
New York is the highest taxed state. Back in the 1960's and 1970's NY had the most electoral votes of any state with 45. Today NY is now tied with Florida for third most with 29. The loss of electoral votes shows the loss of people in NY and the gains in other states. Almost every high taxed state in the north east has lost many electoral votes. Partly due to the high taxes and also the cold, snowy winters and the flooding of Mexicans to Cal, Texas and other southern states
That's the *direct* result of the original Gov. Cuomo, who taxed every blue collar working class business out of existence, forcing them to flee to other states to stay in business. Doesn't look like his kid is any smarter. I'd feel sorry for NY'ers... but they brought it on themselves back then and they haven't learned a damn thing since.
It's mostly because of New York City. People think of NY as a liberal state but it's really NYC with the majority of the counties conservative and republican. Much of Upstate NY wants to break away and form their own state because they hate being dominated by NYC liberals. Trump won 47 of the 62 counties in NY but the New York City counties and the counties closest to NYC have 60% of the state's population. And they live in such a tiny piece of land; it's like a jungle. Here's some NYC stats and why NY is so liberal. New York has the highest population density of any major city in the United States, with over 27,000 people per square mile. Over 3 million of New York City's residents are foreign-born; over one-quarter arrived in 2000 or later.
True enough about that cesspool NYC... but there are still a lot of braindead dem supporting Upstate residents too. Born and raised there, and I'm ashamed to say my relatives and former classmates who still live there vote for the left. Not sorry I left decades ago, just sorry that so many throughout the northeast refuse to think for themselves and are happy to let the MSM dictate their thoughts for them. Upstate NY is a broken down, dilapidated wasteland now - barren of any worthwhile private sector jobs. The only new buildings all seem to be gov't buildings - either state, local, or federal. They got what they wanted - Dems in office. Now they get what they deserved.
Agreed and upstate NY really was hurt when manufacturing began leaving in the 1990's. The hope is that many of these decent paying manufacturing jobs come back, but even if do; they might not want any part of the high taxed states like NY. Why would a business come back to America and set up in a high taxed state?
I have been living in San Diego California since 1968. By the end November 2019 my wife and I will be leaving California for good. Today, 10/29/2019 I finalized a date for the moving company to pick up our household goods. We can't wait to put California behind us!
Taxation is pure evil, regardless of country or state
Its a necessary evil unfortunately and the absolute worst thing you can do is run off your rich.
It's not just the rich it's also middle income like me that are looking to leave
Leaving New York this fall!
Unfortunately the Californacation of Nevada is now complete. So many people have fled CA. and relocated here they’ve changed totally the politics of the state. We now have one of the highest sales tax rates in the country. The highest auto registration fees and with the legalization of marijuana our schools still suffer budget short falls. Marijuana was approved with the understanding that the tax would go to the school system. It’s been diverted and used in ways never conceived by those who voted for it. Democrats never met a tax they didn’t like. City council in Las Vegas just passed a five dollar a month increase in garbage fees to clean up after the homeless. 😬
Maryland lost more than money. we moved to PA from MD and lower cost of living, lower taxes(for retierees anyway) as repubs are vote counts ALOT more. less criminal coddling, better gun laws, etc-etc-etc-etc. we don't have millions but we have several hundred thousand. and were taking that money and the stability people like us bring to PA-- where they know how to treat a brother!!!!!!
It is happening in Illinois also. If you live in the rural part of Ill it's good, cities not good.
The problem is (a lot of the time) those people Vote the same way--- ie they leave High-Crime-High-Tax Maryland, and come to Virginia, and still vote for Libs
... Virginia used to be more middle-of-the-road... but now is held by DEMS.
I'm leaving too, and I'm not even in the 1%
So what happens if many Dems leave California to other red States? Wouldn't it affect the elections?
WY Chinsg Eventually. The reapportionment after the 2020 census will be fascinating to watch, as Californistan/CSSR *loses* House seats. :D
Considering libtards not only have less children but they actively promote the killing of children, it's up to us conservatives to out breed them. I plan on having 4 to 5 kids if I have the chance too.
WY Chinsg ….. I would think that those whom can afford to move out , will …….. Those that can't will remain and vote democrat because the tend to rely on the state for handouts . You don't bite the hand that feeds you , but these people don't realize that the hand is those who are leaving and taking their money and businesses with them.
I'm moving to Nevada when I retire.
It's not just the rich my friend, ordinary folks like me are not happy with the high taxes. It has taken everything to keep myself above water living in NY. I'm planning a move else where because I can't live like this anymore. If the rich have a problem staying there, then imagine the rest of us.
When the rich leave that leaves folks like you to pay the bills its how it works sweety folks can run down the rich as much as they like but they are the people keeping the lights on.
I was living in Sarasota, Florida in the early 80s. The next county north was Manatee, and they had a booming, thriving boat-building business, primarily those $100,000 and over boats. The geniuses in county gov't thought they would put an extra 10% tax on boats over $100,000. The boat business closed within 6 months, never to return. Something like 25 boat builders (chris-craft yachts, Donzi's, Bayliners, Boston Whalers etc). People with money will pay until they feel it isn't fair. Poor and middle class people just sigh, say "fuck me " and turn the money over. Rich people say " fuck YOU" and leave, taking their money with them. Luxury homes took a big hit. Construction workers had no jobs. Boat builders had no jobs. Car dealerships ran out of customers. Restaurants saw a huge decline in people eating out. People quit driving as much, buying less gas, so paying less highway taxes. Far fewer people went to the mall, so many stores closed, the entire housing industry, including homes with mortgages began to empty, property taxes for schools dried up. The ripple effect was shocking. Oh, both communities recovered. Sarasota is wealthy, and beautiful. But the devastation was immense. It just ruined the middle and lower-middle class. Yep...go ahead California. Soak the rich!!!! They have no choice but to suck it up!...fucking moronic liberals.
To add a HUGE insult to a GIGANTIC injury, when the (over-whelmingly) Democrat political hacks began to get deserved ass-whippings, they actually blamed Republicans for the problem. It just happened to be that the 2 counties , Sarasota (decidedly Republican, at a time I was Democrat) and Manatee (overwhelmingly Democrat and working class) were very different in their political make up etc. An example, WAAAAAAAAY back in the early to mid 60s , a group dedicated itself to the preservation of the Sarasota Bay and its overall health. They called it Save Our Bay...which made for a cool acronym! SOB!! In any event, there had been an incredible amount of dredge and fill since the 40s, ESPECIALLY in the late 50s early 60s, and was reaching a fucking crescendo! The (tax and spend) Democrats put that $10,000 luxury tax on the boats and goodbye, and I mean GOOD FUCKING BYE, to the boatbuilding business as a whole. No matter little Bayliners or 17' Boston Whalers weren't luxury craft and weren't subject to the tax. The perception was, as loss of jobs just cascaded through the communities, that buying a boat was a decision best put off for now. For awhile. Perhaps a couple of years. Maybe til Junior graduates from college. It WOULD be nice if he and his friends could cruise the bay at will ( and we did. It was next to Heavenly. Marvelous. Incredible. Oysters, bridge fishing (no license required!) skin-diving, skiing, scuba, spear-fishing, bridge-jumping, private dock confiscation, exploring all the small "spoil" islands sprinkled throughout the Bay, curiousity about EVERYTHING underwater! And the Bay had just begun, in my 4 or 5 short years of being seriously in love with the Bay and its gifts and joys, well, I began to see its disintegration before my very eyes. Then I went to Vietnam for 2.5 years and settled in Phoenix for 5 more. When I returned I could not recognize it. wow. Anyways, that tax fucked over some serious people. Families. Children. Businesses. Government revenues (uhhhh...taxes, to the rest of us). The Democrats claimed Republicans, somehow (they never were clear HOW exactly these nefarious, slimey, hate-mongers DID it) but these damned awful terrible people-hating racists had fired everyone, closed all the businesses (which of course were owned mostly by Republicans), thereby shirking their moral duty to provide jobs and pay taxes, the bastards. Fortunately, there was a county line. And one could straddle that line, one foot in a socialistic world, failing and falling deeper in debt by the day, the other foot in a Capitalistic Republic-type county, thriving and bustling, hopping and shopping, movin and groovin.....and even willing to share! Sarasota would take on most of the costs associated with keeping the Bay healthy. Sarasota would have recreation programs for the youth that were open to those from Manatee. County-line Road....really a road exactly on the county line, had expenses that the Feds, Staters, or districts would pay, but the relevant county would. Again, Sarasota agreed to pay for the entirety of the roads local expenses. In the end, the Democrats simply pointed out how they (Democrats) saved the day...their policies prevented the 2 counties from certain death, had the fucking GALL to blame Republicans for the cause of it all......namely greedy business owners trying to fuck over the general public. AHH, Democrats ...the Horses asses of horses asses.And this election cycle for President has high-lighted the dipshits. I just have such a difficult time believing people BUY what the Democrats sell. Trying to IMPEACH this President? Are they in fucking sane? This guy, in the face of such adversity almost insurmountable, has put this Nation together, working, thriving, businesses returning, taxes cut, yet tax revenues increase! Just employing the magic of the market place when unfettered by excessive government influence. Oh well. If he can get through this term, and maybe the 2nd term, he could have made 4 or 5 Supreme Court appointments, and that oughta just tidy this shit up real nice for 50 years or so. God Bless America.If you had the fucking persistence to read this entire post....holy shit!! you are amazing!...lol...
Shut up Democrats , Just go stand in the corner and stay out of the way
Shocking!!!
Rich people don't get rich by being stupid. If they think they're going to tax them exorbitantly, then they will move to someplace where there more appreciated. This is one of the reasons that's socialism - communism does not work. Cuz communism - socialism Works real well as long as you have some rich people to steal from but when the rich people run out of money or move away then you don't have any more rich people to steal from then your system falls apart. All of the rich people are leaving California they take their money with them out of their Banks so that it cannot be lent to Californians, which in turn destroys the California economy that's why they're in such deep debt right now at least one of the reasons anyway.
We will be leaving Illinois in the next 5 years, as seniors we cannot afford the monthly property tax on our home
Texas is pure hell in the summer, don't move to Texas.
I was one of them. Moved to Nevada. California blows
Did anyone consider AMT tax?
Yet another scheme that would fail.
Taxifornia is headed into bankruptcy.
Had to buy some DOM steel today in Ca. A 6ft piece of DOM steel in Ca cost $75 plus $23 to ship to me within this state. Found the same piece but at 7ft (an extra ft) online from a steel supplier in Ohio for $35 plus $22 to ship. Huge difference.
I left Chicago for the Blue Ridge Mountains of North Carolina. My property tax for a comparable house went from $5,000 to $1,000. Most of my other expenses went way down as well. Screw Illinois, New York and California.
Joseph Van Zandt We just moved out of California we are now in Texas and are 3000 savings a month we love it We are Republicans
Yup. MD is a true story. Owemally chases them all out. Trying to claw businesses back.
California ❤️ Venezuela
Largest proven oil reserves in the world? Sanction them. Nuclear Deal lets Iran trade oil around the world? End the deal and reinstate the embargo
Believe it or not, there is such a thing as a Constitutional right to free association.
This is what happens when you have education and no common sense
"Hey guys, The Gravy Train is leaving the station"
Yep and exodus is coming. I just hope and pray that they learn her lesson. But, like the story of the Israelites, they usually sin again.
James Excell...It’s already here!!
We just need to outbreed these socalist pigs. I'm planning on up to 4 to 5 kids, and also encourage my kids to each have 4 to 5. They'll all be homeschooled and away from the government indoctrination.
"You can go anywhere you want, but your money has to stay.
Find Snake Pliskin, you need to escape from LA
I was hoping someone would make that comment! Snake Pliskin...where is he now?...he's probably afraid to go into L.A. now. LOL
On the subject of leaving California, I have a suggestion for something else to leave California.....The Colorado river. Re-route it to Nevada and Arizona fields.
The ONLY way for these idiot states to classify their taxes as "charitable contributions" is to make it completely VOLUNTARY. Good luck with that. xD
Boeing headquarters moved from Seattle to Chicago. I can't understand why. Illinois is the worst midwestern state because of Chicago.
This is why you don't constantly obliged everything that Millionaires and Billionaires want...
Because, as Soon, they have any inkling of-- non-Preferential treatments, they Move...
They have really no loyalty to anything or anyone other than themselves... it's the Corporatist way.
@Kosh, the top 1% in CA pay 50% of the state taxes.....so according to you.....they get preferential treatment.
Yeah right!
Straight: I'm talking about the states that line up to Lick-- wealthy people's asses...
for they bring their money and companies there.
Kosh 963, ..........I don't know of too many people in society ........who have the luxury............ of not having to lick (sic) somebody's ass.
This is a great idea. Since it will be a charitable contribution, it will be voluntary and the rich can choose not to participate. Money saved.
I love the smell of communism in the morning!!(sarcasm)
A door liberal says he killed over a hundred people.
Joker: Any women or children?
Liberal: Sometimes.
Joker: How can you shoot women and children?
Liberal: Easy, you just don't lead them so much. Aka you just abort them as much as you can!!!!
if they run they're VC is they stand still they're well disciplined VC
Woodsman Whitesmith hoping somebody would get it. Nice
Lol. Cali and Jersey have been sucking down money for years and years. And what good has truly been done with that money.
I’m giving CA at least 4 more years. If it doesn’t get better then I’m selling my home and leaving for NV, TX of FL. Only reason why I don’t leave sooner is because I’m required to own my home for two years and to avoid capital gains tax I need to own my home for 5 years. More inclined to take my business to one of those states and just make trips back to CA for meetings.
Come to Minnesota lots of work we need more Republicans to get this state back on track bring heavy clothes winter's can suck
It’s real easy boys, lower taxes and lighten the load in your pockets.
Exactly!
Anyone who can ....Get The Hell Out of Connecticut
The game, after the 2018 midterm elections, is going to be drive in various states to get their remaining citizens to answer the U.S. Census for 2020. Regardless of Gerrymandering, the true fortune of a state is number of seats in the House of Representatives. Will not be surprised if there is not another attempt to push for additional representation for Puerto Rico and other U.S. Territories if there is too much of a shift from the coasts into the interior of the country.
I left Massachusetts last year. The state was way to generous with my tax money.
....... " TAXachusetts "
In California Capital Gains and Dividends are fully taxes as income. I think many will leave as result of this alone.
Why should the low rate state tax citizens subsidize the high rate states?
They are tricky.
Not just the rich. Everyone is fleeing.
Exactly like the 1970s.
The middle class of California is leaving the state
I love it !!! I hope those high tax states go down the toilet !!!
I hope that ALL the so-called wealthy LEAVE California! What do you say to that, Gov. Brownie Moosnshine?
Good luck with that....getting out of NJ myself.
“ don’t look what all these politicians are getting paid “
“ I can’t believe I ate the whole thing “
HAPPINESS is, seeing california in my rear view mirror
If state and local taxes are "charitable donations", that means they're voluntary, right? That would mean no one has to pay them, right?
On Monday, Wednesday and Friday I hear that the rich are leaving California. On Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday I hear there are too many rich in the state. My head is spinning.
My friends son was making 350k per year in .Ca. he left that job for a new job in Austin TX at 200k per year.. He said he's is doing much better financially with TX.
conservatives in ca are moving to tex. ca has gone loony with it's liberals and high taxes.
Andrew Cuomo said he doesn't want conservatives in his state.
Thats because they'll oust the establishment if they get enough numbers.
I'm not rich, but I'll be leavin'.
Well if state Demecrat lawmakers choose to keep raising taxes and fees, along with additional taxes disguised as surcharges/fees in their home state(s) at some point even the wealthy will leave, because even they have their limits as to what they will spend.