Very true. But the ones leaving are those that have options and they are usually the more capable employees. The ones staying are typically those that haven't found another company to hire them (yet).
i am an employee and i am quiet quitting until Amazon puts me on a PIP, at which point i will leave for the next gig i already have lined up. Good luck fellow Amazonians, I hope you can all make it out too.
“Quiet Quitting” is just Millenial/Gen Z speak for “stealing”….grow some balls and just quit instead of being unproductive. Karma is a b…remember that homie
Issue is a lot of employees can’t afford to buy a home near office or even in the city where the organization is based and the commute takes forever, further cost of living has increased for working parents that they don’t want to come in as well.
This is called work at will. Nobody forced these people to work at Amazon. They made the choice. Now they want to sit in their PJs, walking their dogs and shower all hours of day. These people have become lazy.
Exactly. When you tell someone a job will always be remote, and then you mandate "return to office," many people aren't "returning" because they were never there to begin with, and they would literally have to move to a new house or city to work in office. It's an outrageous ask.
Everyone looking forward to the gridlock and highway traffic madness again. We have all seen the reports of Amazon's just-walk-out *technology* and Zoox self-driving *technology* actually being handled by masses of low-cost workers over in India. That 5 day return to office actually means they want 20 percent of the US corporate workers to LEAVE without having to do another round of Layoffs and severance payouts, to be replaced by much cheaper labor in India offices. Good for the 'efficiency' report to shareholders but bad for US workers. Brought to you by the company famous for pey-in-bottles and crying-at-desks. ;-)
This is 100% true, this a common practice today. What’s funny is that it’s ok for India offices to work remote but not US. Really the issue is that they can get cheaper labor elsewhere. It has nothing to do with remote work at all
Full time remote work represents just 14% of the US workforce according to USA Today. First it was about safety but the safety excuse became stale. Then it became about work life balance - which I agree there are definitely advantages to no commute. If it’s such a huge benefit then it’s time for substantial, double digit raises to the on site workers even if it’s at the expense of remote. But now they want to act like they’re doing on site workers a favor by not being on the road. Remote workers are the first ones to complain about staffing shortages while simultaneously saying they’ll quit if they have to go back to on site.
So you're doing exactly what they want you to do? The reason they have told everyone to come back to the office is because they know people will quit which means no severance packages required.
Sounds like it's not 0%, but maybe 5-10%? I mean, have you ever thought to yourself, "Ugh, I wish I could quit my job." But, of course, you probably need the income. That's just how it goes, sadly enough.
Apparently they must have not been part of the workforce since 2021 when everyone else has returned to the workforce. Why is this news in 2024? The free and stock option money ran out? I shall go bounds to spend my inflation not adjusted money at a local brick and mortar store before Amazon.
@@velocirapture895-10% will be crying if they can’t get a job soon enough 😂 only to find out, all other jobs who will interview them would want them in the office 😂😂😂😂😂 lmaooooo
It’s not surprising that the return-to-office (RTO) push has caused such a strong reaction. For many, remote work became the norm, offering flexibility and work-life balance. Now, being forced back into the office feels like a step backward, especially when employees see it as a strategy to cut down staff. If 73% of Amazon employees are considering quitting, that’s a huge signal that the company might need to rethink how they’re handling the transition. People value flexibility more than ever, and businesses that don’t adapt risk losing top talent.
I’m sure these employees all get weekends, holidays and vacations. Are you asking for “work / life balance” during working hours too? Would you like a no limit T&E credit card also?
These companies are being ridiculous. What happened to work-life balance that we used to focus on? Companies should try to go back to the pre-pandemic time, and continue to let people work the way they do before the pandemic (having flexible work schedule and location).
People can work they way they want but they need to find an employer that thinks the same way. Then come to an agreement. Alternatively, start your own business and hand out work life balance to all your employees.
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@@jaclrossrick6327 As an employer, I'd much rather have a less competent employee who will do his best vs a smart employee who doesn't give a sh. I've worked at big tech and most employees were mediocre. Normal bell curve applies to all orgs and the brightest eventually quit.
Bank of America is one of them. In mid 2023, they forced all employees back to office. Because the job market has been really bad for the last year or two, most of them went back to office. I resigned. Never going back to office again. Amazon salaries are really high, I don’t think anybody would resign because the job market is really bad right now. Definitely not 73%.
Honestly it's really bad. Took me 2 years to get a new gig. It's a good gig. (Relatively) but it's nowhere close to what Amazon's employees are used to. And I had to fight to get it. I'd just go back to office if I were them until I has something lined up, unless they have enough to retire or a spouse who is employed and can support them for a while.
I did an internship with them in 2021 and got forced back in 2022 when I converted to a full time role. They were doing 2 days at that point and then yeah I think 2023 was when they really started pushing 3 days. I assume they will do 5 days at some point. I’m still trying to get more skill sets so I can hopefully have more options.
It’s such a massive waste of money these days to even waste real estate on these massive offices when literally everything is online anyways. And they don’t pay their employees enough to buy nicer office clothes, lunches, gas, and hours on the commute. It’s absolutely not worth it, and since they track the productivity of everyone working from home, this is just a way for people in suits to feel important. Stop wasting millions a year of real estate in office buildings you don’t need.
Do the people making the Amazon goods work from home? do the van drivers work from home? do the people making up the packages to be delivered work from home? do the mechanics who keep the vans going work from home? You know .. the Actual thing Amazon is known for, selling goods and sending them to your home.
Unless productivity dropped. WFO is where it's at. Not for people that abuse their jobs at home or office. If you care about your career, jobs and customers WFO just means we save time and energy getting ready, traveling, lunching, returning home. 2hr a day wasted.
Everyone filling the Amazon orders and delivering them had to show up on site the whole time. Why are the rest so special that they don't have to? I'm not a fan of Bezos and refuse to buy anything from him because he is a piece of crap who treats his people like trash but if the rest have to show up then what makes the office monkeys so damn special? Maybe if they have no AC and have to piss in bottles then they will know what regular people who actually make that company money have to deal with.
Not surprised I would quit and change companies or jobs if RTO was pushed on me. BUT after having a new job lined up first ;) drag old company and stall RTO as long as possible until new job lined up!
I’ve been fully remote almost my entire adult life and even gave up the ability to have benefits for most of it so I could be home with my kids instead of sitting in traffic half my day. I finally got a job with benefits for the first time since the 90s, but if they make me return to the office I’ll start my own business again and learn to live without medical insurance again. I will never go into an office.
@@tarabooartarmy3654 exactly. My company tried this a few years back and I told them that I was going to remain remote and that their options were as follows: 1) Buy me out and then have to hire me back as a contractor at 3x the rate; 2) Give me early retirement, 3) Leave me alone. So far they've chosen choice #3.
@@iceman9678Uprooting your household For this is stupid. This is a whirlwind of nonsense. This is about domination and control. It's about the upper 1% bending us peasants over a barrel
@@iceman9678 For the record, I live 45 minutes from where my office location would be. But because that area is a hub for so many companies and retailers, that 45 minutes easily turns into 1 - 1.5 hour drive between 5am - 12pm and spikes up again from 2pm - 7pm. It's a waste of time, money, and gas spending 3 hours a day in a car for a job that can be done effectively at home with a stable internet connection and fewer distractions.
The trouble with the "headcount reduction" theory is that the most valuable highly effective leave first because they have options. Slackers with mush between their ears will gladly RTO.
Before I retired, when I worked from home i was more diligent about actually doing work than when I was in the office. I also could split up my time to cover the 3 distinct times my systems ran so I could be more responsive. I didn’t mind splitting hours when I included the 2 hours I saved a day commuting!
I have no sympathy. 10 days after the SIP order was “mandated” in California, I was labeled an essential employee and told to get back to work. Because the contract employees were not mandated to return, I, as a salaried corporate employee, was expected to pick up the slack of three other contract employees. After being passed around to three different “supervisors” over two years, none of which came into the office, I finally went out on stress leave. Once my current “supervisor” was made aware, she promptly terminated me. She did this after advising me I should quit, as she wanted to outsource my salary to a contractor and get me off her budget. After a year of disability and six months of unemployment, I quit looking for work. I decided I had enough money to live on ($8,500/mo) until I’m at least 95 yrs old. As I’m only taking out a monthly withdrawal, I make far more than I take out each month. This last six months, I withdrew $51k and made $300+k on my investments. So…technically…I never retired. I just quit working at age 55.
If you were out on "stress leave" based on a doctor orders. Your boss can not lay you off or fire you or tell you to quit. It is against the federal law to get rid of an employee if they are sick. If that happens you need to report to EEO and file a suit against the company. You do not have get a lawyer to fight a your case. They review and investigate the company. It use to be up to $350,000 if you have been wrongly done on your job.
True, it really is oppressive: the expectation to show up on time; actually having to work a full day; not having the television on in the background or cooking while pretending to participate in a work call. It's a lot really.
@@wam7484you're right, business is business. Time to stand together and show them that there's more of us than there are of them and form a union. Then make it part of the contract that we're not going to be jerked around and go to the stupid offices
It is a new strategy to avoid technically have to lay people off. The issue that some folks don't understand is that many employees were hired as remote workers, and do not live anywhere near an office. Further, many of their teams are not in the same location, and thus wouldn't be in the same room in any case. There has to be some responsibility for an employer making an employment offer based upon a remote worker basis, people bought homes, and adjusted salaries. Additionally, the office spaces for most tech workers could not accommodate everyone in the office at the same time, and they know this. In essence, changing a policy to 5 days in office, if that is a change to your agreed to work location is a major change in life.
Unless the employees are assigned to specific work and meeting areas in the office where they can interact by working group, this is just ridiculous and the employees thinking it’s meant to be a RIF are correct.
social/corporate cultivated desperation will in fact force people into compliance. The alternative scenario is a prescription for lithium, possibly both.
What are the benefits to working in an office or working at home? These technical devices "follow" our every move whether we are at work or at home. I would prefer working from home in order to save on expenses such as gas and save the fragile infrastructure
I’ve been working from home the majority of my life (68). Looking back on cubicle city, when I was working for others…it would be near impossible to go back to an office. The key is the perceived freedom and flexibility- THAT for me is THE appeal.
A recent internal investigation at a large firm showed that the AVERAGE time at home workers were working was 2 hours. This could be a contributing factor for RTO.
I work for a much smaller company. When I call HR, I have to talk over screaming kids, Dogs barking. Did they learn from "Remote Education"?? Log in, Walk away from the computer.
Only some of them will defy RTO. Money has a way of being scarce, powerful and persuasive. It’s like the longshoreman’s strike. It’s noble their cause and reasons, but does anybody think corporations aren’t going to double or treble their robotic workers programs efforts because of this?
My sister is part of that she didn’t get paid. She was supposed to get paid and we’re struggling and we’re dying in this situation because he’s not giving my sister her severance pay her care package to move on with her life. Amazon is supposed to pay her for all the hard work she put in the hours Amazon, you ruined my sister‘s life and we got into a car accident a day before the situation at Amazon and now we can’t pay for a new car. We can’t even take care of ourselves. We can’t even function as a family because Amazon ruined our lives if you didn’t force people to go back to work, maybe you should be forcing to take care of us and help us out or maybe you should focus on keeping the people that really knows what they’re doing at the company because my sister was really smart. She knew what she was doing. She had great idea to keep the company going that you had to ruin that if you don’t help us, who will take you down, you brought this to yourself.
Well if they hate going to work that much, then they should quit and open space for others. In reality, most of them won’t quit because they need a work visa or won’t find a better deal elsewhere.
these jobs are super replecable, the ppl think their like gems but the company will easily find replacements that follow to the new rules without any pay raise lol
Amazon developers? Some might be replacible easily. However, it takes a2 years to train a person sometimes. The key question is can this large number of people fine a better job?
Even if half of those people who said they'll quit follow through on it, they were counting on it all along. Amazon is hurting for money, why would they do it otherwise?
The customer support has declined. If you don't get a delivery, good luck getting a refund. They tell you to go and look for your package when they should be telling the driver to look for it. You never see an Amazon truck where I live because they contract to unknown drivers. We have a Hub locker where they are supposed leave packages but never do anymore.
Yes, they are your overlords and are just as beholden to you. The difference…you don’t have the guts to start your own thing. You prefer to be a parasite
Yeah they are because you need to pay your rent and have medical insurance. Unless you're young and you think you can't possibly have a catastrophic health crisis until you do.... in your 30s....and the hospital bill is 700k for 1 surgery and 1 week in the hospital.
As a amazon warehouse worker finding about life changing news about the company from the media is the standard I first know about July prime and October prime first before my own company knows but media knows before them
Perhaps this has been discussed before but I don’t get why we are having this discussion…. 1. During the interview process does the employer ask the future employee if he/she agrees to the conditions of employment…?? 2. During the first week (ie initiation) on the job…does the company not go through the companies expectations, and going over the company’s policies and procedures and signs paperwork saying that they have received and agree to said policies and procedures…??
Amazon overhired just like everyone else. RTO is a crock and any CEO who says otherwise is lying. It has been shown numerous times since 2020 that working from home is perfectly viable and helps you retain happy employees who do a better job. My brother manages a dozen subordinates and keeps everyone happy while still only going into the office 2-4 times per month. It is fine! If all of your duties are on a phone or a computer, why does it matter where that phone and computer are located?
Some employees didn’t get paid after they got fired. They were supposed to get a copayment that was supposed to supposed to be their support in helping them find jobs and coping them into the right direction but Amazon didn’t do that so some people lost their jobs and now they’re strugglingand they don’t care
Even though I've heard children playing, adults laughing, babies crying and even a Rooster crowing in the background, I believe as long as they get the job done, what difference does it make; in or out of the office?
What people don’t realize, is that companies that want RTO will do one of many things for sure if employees demand NOT to RTO. These companies will not give as much or no bonuses and it will be almost impossible to get a raise or get promoted. Your position/pay will be stagnant until YOU give in to them. And they don’t care if you quit; they won’t have to pay severance and will hire someone that needs a job.
Being in the office and getting promoted means a new title with more work. People are waking up to the scam. If work remotely and they want to cut my pay for 40k per year then cool, I will pack my bags and move and work from Mexico where cost of living is cheaper.
of course, there is always "someone who needs a job" waiting in the wings. Sounds like a surefire way to lose your best talent and be stuck with the desperate who have no other options and will bolt at the first sign of something less awful. We call these "employers of last resort" and it's not something an organization really wants to be known as, especially one as large as Amazon.
Never worked off-site. I have managed up to 15 people and don't know how I could have done it if they weren't in the office. We didn't have zoom at the time but I would still prefer hands on.
Fact: in the softer economy, employers use RTOW instead of layoffs. They know a certain % will follow thru on threats to quit. Only the most productive employees will get waivers. At my employer, my section is almost entirely WFH. Some are legit remote. Most live close enough to be on site if a program requires it. All RTOW policies here have manager flexibility.
Why doesnt the the corporations turn the empty iffuce space into living spaces, theres such a need for homes that it seems the corporations could make more money from renters than having people working there.
Waste money building lavish offices that noone asked for. Waste more money overhiring. Waste more money by forcing RTO and losing your best players. Brilliant!!
This is misinformation. The survey question didn’t ask if they were considering quitting; it asked if they were considering looking for another job. Big difference.
I work 2 days in office and they plan on changing it to 3 and I’m considering quitting. The traffic is crazy and why should I add traffic to those who do have to work 5 days a week.
It's called employee attrition. Amazon expects and anticipates resignations. Obviously, many jobs can indeed be done remotely without all the physical office 🏬 nonsense. 🤓
I do think all employees need to be in the office. Working from home was only set up for the Covid time. The company I worked for 38 year. I saw big changes during that time. Some good, some bad. They started allowing 1 day a week to work from home. It worked for about 6 months from home. Then, after that, they stopped that trail and error. There were a few reasons: people got lazy and non-productively, when people were to come into the office for major negotiations with international customers. They would not come in. I feel people are more focused and productive in the office. Plus, you need to interact with co-workers to build a workforce. At home, there are too many distractions. I have been retired 5 years, I know there have been big changes since then.
I have worked for several companies l never blamed any manager OR company. I worked hard and got another opportunity that suits me. Really slogged and applied until I got what I wanted. Doing now the same thing after this shitty announcement
The title is misleading. Only 12% of Amazon employees work remotely, so 3/4 of a much smaller headcount. And consider quitting means what? Unless they’re independently wealthy, it means if they can find another job for the same pay that lets them WFH - which won’t be easy. I’ve seen people claim they’re leaving their job any minute while staying there for decades. It’s the same mindset as the person on a ledge threatening to jump who gets outraged if you give them a push.
What it think is amazing is that the vast majority of these “coding/back office” jobs can be shifted overseas and for much less expense. The ONLY differentiator that these “coders” have is their ability to get into an environment (I.e. and office) where person-to-person ideas are created, quickly shared, and worked on. If you believe that this can be done remotely so you don’t need to go into the office, then it can also be done remotely for 9,000 miles away for a 10th the price. Eat your salads now, the beans are coming soon.
This is the problem with entitlement. Now these people expect a paycheck to stay at home. Like we didn’t already have a problem with that……why go to work when we keep coming up with excuses to pay people to avoid working.
Amazon aint worried. They want them to quit so they wont have to announce layoffs and pay them a severance.
Very true. But the ones leaving are those that have options and they are usually the more capable employees. The ones staying are typically those that haven't found another company to hire them (yet).
1,000%
Exactly
Yes
Not true. A lot of them still get severance.
Why quit? Just keep doing your job and force them to fire you. They do this to avoid paying out
@@Spid3rFr3ak not always. Voluntary shake hands could be better...
Exactly! Continue working remote and if they fire you, take the unemployment.
Maybe these Amazon employee should visit their nearest fulfillment center to get tips on how to juggle outside life with a commute. Poor fellas.
go ahead quit
But if you don't go back to the office then you will be fired without severance because you failed to meet the request
Considering quitting is very different from actually following through.
True, but it’s only a matter of time before they do follow through
One objective statement and one subjective statement.
@@chrisw9597 Of course. People quit for all sorts of reasons.
I considered quitting almost everyday for the last 28 years.
Nobody in tech is quitting right now because the job market is really bad. Nobody with Amazon will quit because the salaries are very high.
100% of all employees have considered quitting.
dont' tech companies plan their layoffs annually anyways.. saving them severence monies. they're happy
Well said. Considering doesn't mean they're actually quitting. With this tough job market, I assume most people will choose stay in the jobs.
Sure, but the question is in response to the return to office, not just generally speaking.
And where are they going? I guess that’s 70% more openings at Amazon.
I will take their job.
This is a strategic move to make employees quit so they don’t have the negative press of a layoff to reduce headcount
Oh they're getting negative press all right lol, this is a douche move on a grand scale
They are just offshoring everything and then people in the offshore shop working from home. It’s another way to fire people without paying severance.
Ummm look at what percentage of products are sold on Amazon are from offshore
@@frankm7707 if offshoring works, IBM wouldn't be so irrelevant now
Amazon just wants them to come back because they spent a bunch of money building those lavish campuses.
I was waiting for this botted comment
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Agree, these big Corp get tax exemption by bringing employee back so they spend money in the city.
Sounds like a good enough reason to me.
@@epursimuove1633 sounds like stupid from an incompetent CEO
i am an employee and i am quiet quitting until Amazon puts me on a PIP, at which point i will leave for the next gig i already have lined up. Good luck fellow Amazonians, I hope you can all make it out too.
lol nobodies going to hire you ...
even if what you are saying is true, there isn't enough positions out there hiring or offering the same package like Amazon
As long as you're entrepreneurial there's always some options. Good luck !
“Quiet Quitting” is just Millenial/Gen Z speak for “stealing”….grow some balls and just quit instead of being unproductive. Karma is a b…remember that homie
@@thehonesttruth8808 don’t be mad your generation had to go on strike to get the same results
Issue is a lot of employees can’t afford to buy a home near office or even in the city where the organization is based and the commute takes forever, further cost of living has increased for working parents that they don’t want to come in as well.
This is called work at will. Nobody forced these people to work at Amazon. They made the choice. Now they want to sit in their PJs, walking their dogs and shower all hours of day. These people have become lazy.
Exactly. When you tell someone a job will always be remote, and then you mandate "return to office," many people aren't "returning" because they were never there to begin with, and they would literally have to move to a new house or city to work in office. It's an outrageous ask.
Everyone looking forward to the gridlock and highway traffic madness again.
We have all seen the reports of Amazon's just-walk-out *technology* and Zoox self-driving *technology* actually being handled by masses of low-cost workers over in India. That 5 day return to office actually means they want 20 percent of the US corporate workers to LEAVE without having to do another round of Layoffs and severance payouts, to be replaced by much cheaper labor in India offices. Good for the 'efficiency' report to shareholders but bad for US workers. Brought to you by the company famous for pey-in-bottles and crying-at-desks. ;-)
This is 100% true, this a common practice today. What’s funny is that it’s ok for India offices to work remote but not US. Really the issue is that they can get cheaper labor elsewhere. It has nothing to do with remote work at all
Full time remote workers represent just 14% of the workforce according to USA Today. For the 86%, it’s business as usual.
It's a layoff in disguise...
Considering to Quit won't translate to much quitting given the job environment we are in. Amazon has nothing to fear
not until the next boom. attrition is better than another layoff in terms of reputation and costs.
lol... wait until money is cheap in a year and tech companies sitting on billions no longer consider spending it a risk
It might translate to a lot of yes votes in the next time the union comes around though
The overwhelming majority of Amazon employees worked on site during the pandemic and continue to do so to this day.
Exactly
Did not know that. So if that's true, why are they so big into forced compliance for all?
and now their lives will all become worse from more cars on the roads and additional traffic jams + collisions
Full time remote work represents just 14% of the US workforce according to USA Today. First it was about safety but the safety excuse became stale. Then it became about work life balance - which I agree there are definitely advantages to no commute. If it’s such a huge benefit then it’s time for substantial, double digit raises to the on site workers even if it’s at the expense of remote. But now they want to act like they’re doing on site workers a favor by not being on the road. Remote workers are the first ones to complain about staffing shortages while simultaneously saying they’ll quit if they have to go back to on site.
@@spades9048 how is more cars on the road ever a good thing?
Companies will make you RTO, then fire you and send your work overseas to be extra-remote
Yep
Yep it's all about breaking you down so you are insecure so that they can control you
So you're doing exactly what they want you to do? The reason they have told everyone to come back to the office is because they know people will quit which means no severance packages required.
No quitting only quiet quitting, don’t underestimate the employees
100% considered quitting.
0% quit.
Sounds like it's not 0%, but maybe 5-10%? I mean, have you ever thought to yourself, "Ugh, I wish I could quit my job." But, of course, you probably need the income. That's just how it goes, sadly enough.
100% are hoping for pips and severance or leaving after the golden cuffs are off
Apparently they must have not been part of the workforce since 2021 when everyone else has returned to the workforce. Why is this news in 2024? The free and stock option money ran out? I shall go bounds to spend my inflation not adjusted money at a local brick and mortar store before Amazon.
@@velocirapture895-10% will be crying if they can’t get a job soon enough 😂 only to find out, all other jobs who will interview them would want them in the office 😂😂😂😂😂 lmaooooo
But how am I going to get my laundry done, babysit my kids, and get the stuff I need at Costco??
I commuted to work everyday…i dont see the problem…
Because you're part of the problem.
9% are the CEO's fake accounts.
It’s not surprising that the return-to-office (RTO) push has caused such a strong reaction. For many, remote work became the norm, offering flexibility and work-life balance. Now, being forced back into the office feels like a step backward, especially when employees see it as a strategy to cut down staff. If 73% of Amazon employees are considering quitting, that’s a huge signal that the company might need to rethink how they’re handling the transition. People value flexibility more than ever, and businesses that don’t adapt risk losing top talent.
I’m sure these employees all get weekends, holidays and vacations. Are you asking for “work / life balance” during working hours too? Would you like a no limit T&E credit card also?
It's inefficient af
Never heard of watching Netflix being called a work/life balance before.
These companies are being ridiculous. What happened to work-life balance that we used to focus on? Companies should try to go back to the pre-pandemic time, and continue to let people work the way they do before the pandemic (having flexible work schedule and location).
People can work they way they want but they need to find an employer that thinks the same way. Then come to an agreement.
Alternatively, start your own business and hand out work life balance to all your employees.
It would be smarter to close the offices and stop paying rent and let them work from home . Amazon could save millions in rent and utilities.
I am going to apply to Amazon. I will tell my interviewers not only I will work 5 days a week in the office, I will even sleep in the office at night.
Then go do it. Let's see if you're even smart enough to work there
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😂 love the positivity
@@jaclrossrick6327 As an employer, I'd much rather have a less competent employee who will do his best vs a smart employee who doesn't give a sh. I've worked at big tech and most employees were mediocre. Normal bell curve applies to all orgs and the brightest eventually quit.
lol guess companies need to build more offices with beds and basic amenities so people can work and sleep there. Free rent!
Bank of America is one of them. In mid 2023, they forced all employees back to office. Because the job market has been really bad for the last year or two, most of them went back to office. I resigned. Never going back to office again. Amazon salaries are really high, I don’t think anybody would resign because the job market is really bad right now. Definitely not 73%.
Honestly it's really bad. Took me 2 years to get a new gig. It's a good gig. (Relatively) but it's nowhere close to what Amazon's employees are used to. And I had to fight to get it.
I'd just go back to office if I were them until I has something lined up, unless they have enough to retire or a spouse who is employed and can support them for a while.
I did an internship with them in 2021 and got forced back in 2022 when I converted to a full time role. They were doing 2 days at that point and then yeah I think 2023 was when they really started pushing 3 days. I assume they will do 5 days at some point. I’m still trying to get more skill sets so I can hopefully have more options.
It’s such a massive waste of money these days to even waste real estate on these massive offices when literally everything is online anyways.
And they don’t pay their employees enough to buy nicer office clothes, lunches, gas, and hours on the commute.
It’s absolutely not worth it, and since they track the productivity of everyone working from home, this is just a way for people in suits to feel important.
Stop wasting millions a year of real estate in office buildings you don’t need.
Do the people making the Amazon goods work from home? do the van drivers work from home? do the people making up the packages to be delivered work from home? do the mechanics who keep the vans going work from home? You know .. the Actual thing Amazon is known for, selling goods and sending them to your home.
Fun fact. There’s always someone willing to do your job.
Fun fact. Leads and architects are not easy to find. That’s a skill set that takes years to create.
Willing perhaps, but not always able 😉
That’s fear talking, resistance brings change ❤
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Unless productivity dropped. WFO is where it's at. Not for people that abuse their jobs at home or office. If you care about your career, jobs and customers WFO just means we save time and energy getting ready, traveling, lunching, returning home. 2hr a day wasted.
RTO is about control, not about productivity.
Everyone filling the Amazon orders and delivering them had to show up on site the whole time. Why are the rest so special that they don't have to? I'm not a fan of Bezos and refuse to buy anything from him because he is a piece of crap who treats his people like trash but if the rest have to show up then what makes the office monkeys so damn special? Maybe if they have no AC and have to piss in bottles then they will know what regular people who actually make that company money have to deal with.
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Not surprised I would quit and change companies or jobs if RTO was pushed on me. BUT after having a new job lined up first ;) drag old company and stall RTO as long as possible until new job lined up!
I’ve been fully remote almost my entire adult life and even gave up the ability to have benefits for most of it so I could be home with my kids instead of sitting in traffic half my day. I finally got a job with benefits for the first time since the 90s, but if they make me return to the office I’ll start my own business again and learn to live without medical insurance again. I will never go into an office.
@@tarabooartarmy3654 exactly. My company tried this a few years back and I told them that I was going to remain remote and that their options were as follows: 1) Buy me out and then have to hire me back as a contractor at 3x the rate; 2) Give me early retirement, 3) Leave me alone. So far they've chosen choice #3.
No one wants to go back to spending 2-3 hours a day in traffic for work they can effectively complete at home.
Live closer to the office.
@@iceman9678Uprooting your household For this is stupid. This is a whirlwind of nonsense. This is about domination and control. It's about the upper 1% bending us peasants over a barrel
@@iceman9678 Wow. Such helpful advice. It's like thousands of other people haven't already thought of this.
@@iceman9678 For the record, I live 45 minutes from where my office location would be. But because that area is a hub for so many companies and retailers, that 45 minutes easily turns into 1 - 1.5 hour drive between 5am - 12pm and spikes up again from 2pm - 7pm. It's a waste of time, money, and gas spending 3 hours a day in a car for a job that can be done effectively at home with a stable internet connection and fewer distractions.
@@Cocoa_Kalypso just doing my part for humanity.
The trouble with the "headcount reduction" theory is that the most valuable highly effective leave first because they have options. Slackers with mush between their ears will gladly RTO.
100%!
Before I retired, when I worked from home i was more diligent about actually doing work than when I was in the office. I also could split up my time to cover the 3 distinct times my systems ran so I could be more responsive. I didn’t mind splitting hours when I included the 2 hours I saved a day commuting!
I have no sympathy.
10 days after the SIP order was “mandated” in California, I was labeled an essential employee and told to get back to work. Because the contract employees were not mandated to return, I, as a salaried corporate employee, was expected to pick up the slack of three other contract employees. After being passed around to three different “supervisors” over two years, none of which came into the office, I finally went out on stress leave. Once my current “supervisor” was made aware, she promptly terminated me. She did this after advising me I should quit, as she wanted to outsource my salary to a contractor and get me off her budget.
After a year of disability and six months of unemployment, I quit looking for work. I decided I had enough money to live on ($8,500/mo) until I’m at least 95 yrs old. As I’m only taking out a monthly withdrawal, I make far more than I take out each month. This last six months, I withdrew $51k and made $300+k on my investments.
So…technically…I never retired. I just quit working at age 55.
100k a year for 40 years. Damn bro, you must have millions saved.
If you were out on "stress leave" based on a doctor orders. Your boss can not lay you off or fire you or tell you to quit. It is against the federal law to get rid of an employee if they are sick. If that happens you need to report to EEO and file a suit against the company. You do not have get a lawyer to fight a your case. They review and investigate the company. It use to be up to $350,000 if you have been wrongly done on your job.
Too many policies in offices making it not enjoyable to work.
True, it really is oppressive: the expectation to show up on time; actually having to work a full day; not having the television on in the background or cooking while pretending to participate in a work call. It's a lot really.
Yeah, business is all about your enjoyment.
@@wam7484you're right, business is business. Time to stand together and show them that there's more of us than there are of them and form a union. Then make it part of the contract that we're not going to be jerked around and go to the stupid offices
It is a new strategy to avoid technically have to lay people off. The issue that some folks don't understand is that many employees were hired as remote workers, and do not live anywhere near an office. Further, many of their teams are not in the same location, and thus wouldn't be in the same room in any case. There has to be some responsibility for an employer making an employment offer based upon a remote worker basis, people bought homes, and adjusted salaries. Additionally, the office spaces for most tech workers could not accommodate everyone in the office at the same time, and they know this. In essence, changing a policy to 5 days in office, if that is a change to your agreed to work location is a major change in life.
There is no point to work from an office when you’ve been working from home for 3 plus effing years
The point is to get you out of there.
Unless the employees are assigned to specific work and meeting areas in the office where they can interact by working group, this is just ridiculous and the employees thinking it’s meant to be a RIF are correct.
“Consider” & actually are different things
Meanwhile…. My company can’t even find qualified employees.
If they quit pretty sure there’s a bunch of unemployed college grads who wouldn’t mind going back to office
I agree ☝️
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social/corporate cultivated desperation will in fact force people into compliance. The alternative scenario is a prescription for lithium, possibly both.
Lmao, you aren't smart if you think new college grad actually have work experience
Yeah it reminds of people crossing the picket line. They will hire them at sub optimal wages because they are desperate, bad trend for tech
What are the benefits to working in an office or working at home? These technical devices "follow" our every move whether we are at work or at home. I would prefer working from home in order to save on expenses such as gas and save the fragile infrastructure
less money spent in the city
They will be easily replaced with people waiting on that call back 🤷🏾♀️
Let them consider.
I’ve been working from home the majority of my life (68). Looking back on cubicle city, when I was working for others…it would be near impossible to go back to an office. The key is the perceived freedom and flexibility- THAT for me is THE appeal.
A recent internal investigation at a large firm showed that the AVERAGE time at home workers were working was 2 hours.
This could be a contributing factor for RTO.
I work for a much smaller company. When I call HR, I have to talk over screaming kids, Dogs barking. Did they learn from "Remote Education"?? Log in, Walk away from the computer.
Only some of them will defy RTO. Money has a way of being scarce, powerful and persuasive. It’s like the longshoreman’s strike. It’s noble their cause and reasons, but does anybody think corporations aren’t going to double or treble their robotic workers programs efforts because of this?
Oh no, new ports are already being designed…the ball is in motion and this stupid union has just sealed their fate
@@thehonesttruth8808 this was an article about Amazon, though you are right about the longshoremen.
My sister is part of that she didn’t get paid. She was supposed to get paid and we’re struggling and we’re dying in this situation because he’s not giving my sister her severance pay her care package to move on with her life. Amazon is supposed to pay her for all the hard work she put in the hours Amazon, you ruined my sister‘s life and we got into a car accident a day before the situation at Amazon and now we can’t pay for a new car. We can’t even take care of ourselves. We can’t even function as a family because Amazon ruined our lives if you didn’t force people to go back to work, maybe you should be forcing to take care of us and help us out or maybe you should focus on keeping the people that really knows what they’re doing at the company because my sister was really smart. She knew what she was doing. She had great idea to keep the company going that you had to ruin that if you don’t help us, who will take you down, you brought this to yourself.
near zero reasons to be in an office
That’s fine. I work in automation and I can tell you that I’m ready to come fully automate your process. Many overs are ready too.
One day they won’t need you either and you can live out of a refrigerator box
Well if they hate going to work that much, then they should quit and open space for others. In reality, most of them won’t quit because they need a work visa or won’t find a better deal elsewhere.
these jobs are super replecable, the ppl think their like gems but the company will easily find replacements that follow to the new rules without any pay raise lol
Amazon developers? Some might be replacible easily. However, it takes a2 years to train a person sometimes. The key question is can this large number of people fine a better job?
Even if half of those people who said they'll quit follow through on it, they were counting on it all along. Amazon is hurting for money, why would they do it otherwise?
Soon they will be replaced with AI.
The customer support has declined. If you don't get a delivery, good luck getting a refund. They tell you to go and look for your package when they should be telling the driver to look for it. You never see an Amazon truck where I live because they contract to unknown drivers. We have a Hub locker where they are supposed leave packages but never do anymore.
And I hope they all do. Employers need a bit of a wake up call that they are not our overlords.
Yes, they are your overlords and are just as beholden to you. The difference…you don’t have the guts to start your own thing. You prefer to be a parasite
Quit and start your own business.
Yeah they are because you need to pay your rent and have medical insurance. Unless you're young and you think you can't possibly have a catastrophic health crisis until you do.... in your 30s....and the hospital bill is 700k for 1 surgery and 1 week in the hospital.
It would be a problem for Amazon if the warehouse and delivery drivers stopped showing up for work.
@@TransConBrilliancesounds like an issue for yourself. Not the majority.
99% of them think about retirement also everyday, so what ?
True, they need to start thinking about forming a union so they can stick it to these greedy bastards
As a amazon warehouse worker finding about life changing news about the company from the media is the standard I first know about July prime and October prime first before my own company knows but media knows before them
Perhaps this has been discussed before but I don’t get why we are having this discussion….
1. During the interview process does the employer ask the future employee if he/she agrees to the conditions of employment…??
2. During the first week (ie initiation) on the job…does the company not go through the companies expectations, and going over the company’s policies and procedures and signs paperwork saying that they have received and agree to said policies and procedures…??
Amazon overhired just like everyone else. RTO is a crock and any CEO who says otherwise is lying. It has been shown numerous times since 2020 that working from home is perfectly viable and helps you retain happy employees who do a better job. My brother manages a dozen subordinates and keeps everyone happy while still only going into the office 2-4 times per month. It is fine! If all of your duties are on a phone or a computer, why does it matter where that phone and computer are located?
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I recommend not quitting… it’s tough finding a job right now! 😢
There's no need to mandate working in an office. This is about control and nothing else.
It's not their damn company. They're not in charge. If they don't like working conditions then quit. No big loss.
@@wam7484or they could just form a union
I consider quitting but won’t quit because I need the paycheck.
Some employees didn’t get paid after they got fired. They were supposed to get a copayment that was supposed to supposed to be their support in helping them find jobs and coping them into the right direction but Amazon didn’t do that so some people lost their jobs and now they’re strugglingand they don’t care
Key Word, considers
AWww how dare employers expect you to show up in person and work.
Somebody sure loves the taste of boot leather.
If said employer can't shut up about the environment, global warming, and how much they care about people, then yes, people should complain.
Even though I've heard children playing, adults laughing, babies crying and even a Rooster crowing in the background, I believe as long as they get the job done, what difference does it make; in or out of the office?
The factory workers get offered part time then get fired every 6 months. There's no chance to keep your job
And someone says “they have factories and companies here”
What people don’t realize, is that companies that want RTO will do one of many things for sure if employees demand NOT to RTO. These companies will not give as much or no bonuses and it will be almost impossible to get a raise or get promoted. Your position/pay will be stagnant until YOU give in to them. And they don’t care if you quit; they won’t have to pay severance and will hire someone that needs a job.
Being in the office and getting promoted means a new title with more work. People are waking up to the scam. If work remotely and they want to cut my pay for 40k per year then cool, I will pack my bags and move and work from Mexico where cost of living is cheaper.
of course, there is always "someone who needs a job" waiting in the wings. Sounds like a surefire way to lose your best talent and be stuck with the desperate who have no other options and will bolt at the first sign of something less awful. We call these "employers of last resort" and it's not something an organization really wants to be known as, especially one as large as Amazon.
Clarification: 73% of their remote employees, NOT all of their emoployees
Never worked off-site. I have managed up to 15 people and don't know how I could have done it if they weren't in the office. We didn't have zoom at the time but I would still prefer hands on.
Im never going back to the office 5 days. Been fully remote for 2.5 years……. Not happening . Traffic? Clothes? Talking about 🐂 💩. Nah
I would be back at the office, I think the first jobs to be lost to AI will be stay at home jobs…
The MOST TOXIC workplace I have ever worked at!
Quiting during a port shut down probably worst thing you could do to yourself, because when shelves empty there wont be any jobs
People don't quit their jobs. They quit BAD Bosses.
Fact: in the softer economy, employers use RTOW instead of layoffs. They know a certain % will follow thru on threats to quit.
Only the most productive employees will get waivers.
At my employer, my section is almost entirely WFH. Some are legit remote. Most live close enough to be on site if a program requires it.
All RTOW policies here have manager flexibility.
We have had to go back into the office for almost 2 years now.
Why doesnt the the corporations turn the empty iffuce space into living spaces, theres such a need for homes that it seems the corporations could make more money from renters than having people working there.
People quitting costs amazon nothing but layoffs and severance does.
Jassey is brilliant. If you remember 2021’s employee “quit quitting”. This “announcement” is stealth downsizing. uno reverse card.
Waste money building lavish offices that noone asked for. Waste more money overhiring. Waste more money by forcing RTO and losing your best players. Brilliant!!
@@trancendental5373 what lavish offices that no one asked for?
@@matt.stevick HQ2
This is misinformation. The survey question didn’t ask if they were considering quitting; it asked if they were considering looking for another job. Big difference.
These are all the corporate worker's. Ive been working on-site for 10 years thru Covid.
Pushing Return to Office = passive lay off + less termination cost. Well played Amazon. Enbridge does this too.
I work 2 days in office and they plan on changing it to 3 and I’m considering quitting. The traffic is crazy and why should I add traffic to those who do have to work 5 days a week.
Good luck finding a job. It is super hard out there right now. Super hard.
It's ur problem not your company's problem.
It's called employee attrition. Amazon expects and anticipates resignations.
Obviously, many jobs can indeed be done remotely without all the physical office 🏬 nonsense. 🤓
I do think all employees need to be in the office. Working from home was only set up for the Covid time.
The company I worked for 38 year. I saw big changes during that time. Some good, some bad. They started allowing 1 day a week to work from home. It worked for about 6 months from home. Then, after that, they stopped that trail and error. There were a few reasons: people got lazy and non-productively, when people were to come into the office for major negotiations with international customers. They would not come in.
I feel people are more focused and productive in the office. Plus, you need to interact with co-workers to build a workforce.
At home, there are too many distractions.
I have been retired 5 years, I know there have been big changes since then.
If I wanted to get a job that required being in the office I would be a mechanic
I have worked for several companies l never blamed any manager OR company. I worked hard and got another opportunity that suits me. Really slogged and applied until I got what I wanted. Doing now the same thing after this shitty announcement
The title is misleading. Only 12% of Amazon employees work remotely, so 3/4 of a much smaller headcount. And consider quitting means what? Unless they’re independently wealthy, it means if they can find another job for the same pay that lets them WFH - which won’t be easy. I’ve seen people claim they’re leaving their job any minute while staying there for decades. It’s the same mindset as the person on a ledge threatening to jump who gets outraged if you give them a push.
90% "say" they're considering quitting. Talk's cheap. Give them the paperwork and see how many return it. Spoiled people make poor employees.
What a sneaky way to see how dedicated you really are to the company. amazon knows that they have an endless supply of job applications
What it think is amazing is that the vast majority of these “coding/back office” jobs can be shifted overseas and for much less expense. The ONLY differentiator that these “coders” have is their ability to get into an environment (I.e. and office) where person-to-person ideas are created, quickly shared, and worked on. If you believe that this can be done remotely so you don’t need to go into the office, then it can also be done remotely for 9,000 miles away for a 10th the price. Eat your salads now, the beans are coming soon.
I don't know... I hate my current job so much that I'd willingly work in person if I were to get hired at amazon.
Quit if you can't get your way. McDonald's is hiring. But you have to work on premises...
This is the problem with entitlement. Now these people expect a paycheck to stay at home. Like we didn’t already have a problem with that……why go to work when we keep coming up with excuses to pay people to avoid working.
“consider quitting” that does’nt mean anything
The point is 73% can consider but 0% quit , as they know who has the upper hand..
quality of life and quality of work will suffer , but amazon does not care about this. so basically they are screwed.
Andy Jassy should RTO all of his bonuses and salary this year to the employees that actually do work and put in the grind everyday.