Bad Gear - The Dark Knight
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Bad Gear - The Dark Knight
Welcome to Bad Gear, the show about the world’s most-hated audio tools. We can all agree that Roland created a few quite respectable drum machine like the Roland TR-808 , Roland TR-909 , Roland TR-606 and Roland TR-707 . However, since then their target demographic has dwindled: analog enjoyers have joined the Cult of Uli, people willing to RTFM are using next-generation Scandinavian abaci like Elektron Digitakt or Elektron Octatrack and real musicians switched to computers decades ago.
Today we are going to talk about Roland TR-8s. This 2018 flagship rhythm performer not only boasts a design language that clearly focuses on inner beauty - it also combines the played-out sounds of the 80s with the workflow of a 90s ROMpler.
Thanks to Klangfarbe for lending me one of their floor models:
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Chapters:
00:00 Intro tune
00:57 Overview Roland TR8s
01:34 Sound Generators ( ACB , PCM Samples , User , FM Drum Synth )
01:55 Updates ( Roland CR-78 )
02:05 User Interface , Sound Parameters
02:20 Menu Diving
02:34 Kits, LFO
02:42 Buttons , Akai MPC - Style Pad
02:52 Sequencer , Workflow, Swing, Accents, Fills
03:29 Additional Features (Rolls, Substeps, Microtiming )
03:41 Motion Recording , Parameter Locks ,
03:57 Limitations, Melodies, 808 Bass
04:16 FX ( Roland SP-404 - Style Vinyl Effect )
04:46 What else? ( SD Card , Computer Integration, Thanks)
05:35 Hate
05:58 Jam 1 (Triple Roland TB-3 Jam)
06:53 Jam 2 ( Elektro )
07:47 Finale ( Footwork / Juke )
08:17 Verdict
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www.youtube.com/@tr-8s-master To get a real idea what the TR-8S can do !
Still waiting for you to do that Casio voice synth...
7:47 😉 damn that hits nice!!!
For some reason reminds me of old jexus video
the most impressive part of these videos is how organized and/or insane his meme folder must be
It's actually total chaos
I think this most times I watch these
I comprehend all of the memes in real time. Then 3 days later I wake up in my sleep laughing out loud for 2 hours.
He has a dedicated sequencer to run those memes
I gotta take screen shots of the memes, so my slow brain can process them.
I see the 303 breeding program is going well
More!!!
I fell off my chair laughing after reading this one :D
No wonder there is a shortage of the TB-3s!
T is for Tribble
We need to see double digits here bud...
Audiopilz: *convinces you the TB-3 is worth buying*
Also Audiopilz: *buys every single TB-3 on the used market*
I'm gonna go Goldfinger on them
Roland: we're selling thousands of these. This is successful mass production. Everyone and their moms got a TB03!
Audiopilz: lol no
yeh TB-3 sales rocket
Why are there no more new TB3’s for sale in the UK?!
@@edtraylen8581because it was discontinued years ago
Audiopilz could make videos that are 30mins long, instead chooses to make 9 minute videos that you have to pause every 5 seconds to get every joke/meme... epic! Thank you for making this
Yes!
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TR-8S is probably the best drum machine ever made. I have owned it quite a few years now and I it never stops amazing me how great it sounds and how fun it is to use. No other drum machine has ever given me the same experience.
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Totally agreed ! Nothing better so far!
Agreed.
Im with you
That's the reason I bought one (second-hand, mint). I was looking at an R8M before, because, you know, rackz'n'stuff. But as a friend pointed out: it's the last drum machine you'll ever need.
And yes, I like it that it looks like a Christmas tree, or something that will upset your conservative neighbours who'll think that you've gone all woke.
Bad Gear : the channel that should be a Coachella act. Always. Ever.
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Three TB03s, aciding in sync: perfection!
such a good fucking sound
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The Avengers:Endgame of Bad Gear!
It's actually one TB-030303
6:00 By the year 2027 you will end up having to zoom soooo far out just to include all your 280 TB-3s in the same shot, that we won't be able to see your hands anymore
I'll have them all and go totally Goldfinger on them
@@AudioPilz Deine TB3s sind meine Midiverb I&IIs.
Aber bitte lieber Florian, mach kein Video über die, sonst gehn die Preise wieder so deppert rauf...
We should thank Roland for supporting this channel with a constant range of products that thick all the boxes.
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Come on... not the TR8S!! 😭I thought that one was safe.. lol
Nothing personal;)
Roland is never safe😂
I bought one used in mint condition, and it quickly became one of my favorite studio pieces (I wasn’t expecting it to). However, I DO hate its limitations: only 50MB of samples, or 300 pcs, whatever comes first; no sample management or bulk tool - it’s one by one, folks; the menu diving is typical Roland but passable; audio over USB sucks, it’s way too quiet when running as an aggregate device. Inputting melodies or bass notes is pure hell.
And it definitely has an identifiable sound of its own, that doesn’t sound like a real 808 - it sounds like a TR-8S. You can hear it on the last demo jam here, for instance.
Also - Florian, don’t ever stop doing the ”delay-y-y, reverbbb” FX - those are always still hilarious 😄
Yeah, that's why the mc707 exists. You're supposed to pair them together @@ram-4
@@ram-4Tbf (and I don't own a TR-8s), the sample limitation really isn't too bad for a drum machine, is it?
Meanwhile Arturia released Astrolab - a perfect "synth" for this show.
I want one so bad!!!
I guess meme was teaser for pretty soon upcoming episode????.?
I just want to know which part they made fail this time. Microbrute = sequencer, Microfreak = started with shotty encoders, Drumbrute = failing noise source, Drumbrute impact = failing bpm pots . . and the list goes on and on 😂
Couldn't agree more.
@@pirateradioFPVThe Nest screen dial looks ripe for failure
Nice,all of my gear is now officially BAD!love it ❤
Bad Gear bingo!!!
@@AudioPilz lol. Royal Flush
Ikr!? I can’t have shit anymore 😭😭😭
While I don't have every piece of gear he he has reviewed, almost every piece of gear I have or have had he has, save my my Kawaii XD 5 and K5m.
I was recently in Vienna and I was as hyped to go to Klangfarbe as was to do anything else.
Nice!!!
The Bill Hicks reference is... *chef's kiss*
Thank you!!!
Alex is that you? 😂
when roland released the tb3, they always secretly intended for you to buy 3 of them and use all 3 at once. it's right there in the name!
#science
I use the 8s as a…wait for it…drum machine. Great for that. Synthwave monster.
Wow, I wouldn't have thought of it this way...;)
Filled it with samples from mars kits and have a ton of great samples without having to turn on a computer
@@AudioPilz I realize that you could use it like a groove box but why would you put yourself through that? That’s what a sequencer is for. My workflow: get a burst of energy to import a bunch of samples and assemble some kits. Then some time in the future, get another burst of energy and make whole banks of patterns using the new kits. So when I’m working on a new song, I’ve got patterns I’ve haven’t used waiting for me.
@@rhill109 I've been following this idea for about 4 years now. I am at the step of making whole banks of patterns now. Should be using it for new songs soon. 😅
I’ve done that already
Having this drum machine has always been my dream, in 2022 I managed to buy it. I'm very happy with this machine, it's become the main piece of my set up and the one I care most about. Powerful tool if you know what it can do. Many times I just use the TR-8s to make a complex track. My opinion is that the TR-8s is already a classic, I see many artists that I admire, both new and old school, also using it as a centerpiece or auxiliary in their setups. A classic that Roland hadn't been able to make in a long time. I understand some complaints from some users, but for me it works completely. I have nothing to complain about. The ACB engine is great, the FM engine is also very versatile and not that difficult to use, a very interesting effects chain that allows you to create a very complex and unique sound design, the possibility of configuring multiple channel outputs, also compatibility with modular equipment /qlanalog with Trigger output, even being able to convert audio outputs to Trigger outputs, midi configurations that can integrate well with older equipment that tends to be problematic. There are many details that make this equipment exceptionally usable. Sensational equipment, I hope it has many years of life on the market and that more updates come.
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These videos are always so enjoyable!!! I actually got a TR-8S about a year ago for the first time and I love it. It's a cool "Roland Drum Sound Classics" box but for me the real use is that it has a Control Surface Mode where it can be used as a midi controller. All the faders and most of the knobs send midi CC info in this mode. The sequencer is also still functional so I use this to program software drum machines or to just do single note triggers in my DAW. As a DAW accessory it's a brilliant side machine to have!!!
Thank you!!!
The Editor is a win, you can literally see everything TR-8s can do and structure Jams quickly. It is a performance machine and not a computer like DAW kinda similar to the MPC one. It's a great tool, a classic IMHO. Faders alone make it so much fun to play.
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Wait 😮 you’ve just blow my mind. 6:07
- How many TB-3 do you need?
- Yes 😎
Yes indeed;)
Now I really want one!!!
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I upgraded from TR6s to TR8s a couple years ago. glad I did. When you need THOSE sounds it's hard to beat since the ACB sounds so good. The extra outputs makes all the difference, need them for sidechain. I pray that the next Digitakt has more outputs.
Looking forward to that too
It really is a goodie. Love when they added the fm.
That's really nice!!!
Oh dear. Now there's 3 of them! Despite the limitations, this drum machine seems like a blast to use. You really went all out on the drums in this! Great video! :D
Thank you!!!
Nice jam near the end. 808 state esque 90s vibe
Thank you so much!!!
Really some of the best jams I’ve heard you do!
Your synth gear reviews are the best around ❤
Thank you so much!!!
"a design language which focuses on inner beauty" is a very good way of saying it I'll be re-using that sentence I think
Thank you!!!
600 seconds in mono. And people complain about the mpc one’s 106 minutes. Great video. 3x303 and a 909 is the math.
Thank you!!! It’s science;)
Great drum machine but the velocity pad deserves its own unironic episode of bad gear.
Agreed!!!
I had one of these and like everybody else, I loved how it sounded. Shame there is SO MUCH menu-ing with only a tiny 2-line LED and a single knob to navigate it all.
Agreed!!!
No app that can help with tasks like sample management? Been thinking of selling my old TR-909 to get one of these - and a TB-3 !
There is an app but it doesn’t help with samples. It’s great for everything else though. But the problem for me is once you’ve got a computer and an app involved why not just use a drum machine plugin in your DAW. Unless you’re gigging out a lot and don’t want to take a computer with you i suppose.
@@jdrukman I hear you re. the "umbilical cord" to the computer, but nothing wrong with sample management over USB and then being able to take out your TR-8s for a gig with the samples you want loaded on it.
As for using a VST instead of the TR-8s, are you saying that the cloud vst sounds just as good as the TR-8s?
@@gainofdysfunction4135 yeah i actually have roland cloud and the tr8s. The modeled drum machines (tr808, tr606, etc) sound the same between the device and the plugins. Samples are samples, obviously. Constructing a kit on the 8s out of samples is tedious in the extreme. The app doesn't really help you with that part of things either.
Can't wait for the MC707 edition 😆
You know too much;)
@@AudioPilz please mention haw bad the zen editor integration with the 707 is. the editor for tr-8s is godsend compared to.
I was about to ask if the 707 has made an appearance.
@@AudioPilzany chance you can do a duo - mc707 and tr8s as nature intended?
The TR8S & MC707 work together so well.
I can lose days.
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Far and away the best music production related channel on You Tube. You have real integrity and your jams are always the bomb.
Thank you so much!!!
Patiently waiting no more. Thanks!
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Can't believe this wasn't the Astrolab, I'm disappointed in you Florian!
So hard to get if you're not a real synthfluencer;)
@@AudioPilz The Astrolab 'stage' keyboard seems perfect for BG. It fails in features as a stage keyboard and if you're doing your own material live, you're stuck with presets. It MAKES NO SENSE!
Yea, Astrolab is boring. However, it's a big step to their own workstation (the software internally runs on Linux now). In that sense, it's not BG.
Synthfluencer: when you sell your soul to shill overpriced products.
@@treetopjones737 Synthfluencer: This device was sent to me free of charge so you can never, ever see it on the channel ever again because I'm only reviewing it to sell it. I've never released anything longer than 45 second demos but if you're stupid enough to buy the device despite my personality, I'm more than willing to take your money for it through the affiliate links. Like and subscribe!
Both this channel and TR8S is 10/10
Except for the 16 step sequencer😭
@@htechdance x8 variations + 2x fills and the ability to chain patterns.
@@htechdance What ftc said plus you can also change the last step of instruments to create polyrythms.
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The jams this episode were especially *chefs kiss*
Thank you!!!
Your finale videos are always such an aesthetic! Beautiful
Thank you so much!!!
This video makes totally sense for someone who already said 3 years ago that: "Digitakt is my favorite musical instrument".
You can get the Elektron fan boy to using a Roland machine but you can't...
extremely fair review as always Professor.. thank you
Thank you so much!!!
I really really dig this one. Love the layout, love the sounds, love the look.
Great video and info. Thanks. You got me tweakin' mine and soon will update its firmware, thx to you.
how dare you?!? this is my set up's heart and soul, when you reminded us it was released 6 years ago it made me think is time to update, but to what? 🤔 hmm still waiting on Uli's linn drum 🤦🏻♂ that finale beat you made....Respect son!
Thank you!!!
The ultimate set? Audio Pilz did it: a Tr 8s and 3 TB-3!!
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Dude. Fucking love watching you just jam out! You're killing it!
"Whatever-step Coneblower" i heard it as 'corn-blower' the first time i listened, and i was like 'wait what ? when did you manage to get to kansas, texas, and/or arkansas ('arkensaw') ?' *creepy banjo musics in the woods*
I have no idea what you're talking about;)
TR-8S has different sound from the classics, but become the industrial standard, sincre long years. That is why I have never seen RD-9 on stage over audiance of 5 people. Updates maked more menudiver but all new features are cool.
Lol on the 5 people thing
I sold mine, no regrets. I just never got along with the buttons and the interface wasn't as useful as all that. Sliders get old after the first thrill wears off. In the end, the core Roland TR sounds on the MC101/707 are great enough and you get 3/7 extra polyphonic channels extra.
That sums it up nicely
The drums sampled on 101/707 aren't nearly as good, sorry. Not even close. They don't breath, just static samples. You are only fooling yourself, anyone with an ear can tell the difference.
Had to decide between TR8S and MC707, got the 707 and I'm happy with it. Mainly using it with own samples anyway and as a drum machine it serves its purpose quite well. The synthesizer part is also quite capable. Does it have some annoying limitations? Sure! A lot of users complain about the missing sidechain compression btw. Looking forward to the video!
Your jams are always absolutely on point and make the best jams of any gear tuber.
Thank you!!!
thank you
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I enjoyed the TR-8S as my first drum machine, but after a while I sold it and never looked back. I found that I wanted more punch and grit to my percussion - I just gotta have EQ on my drums, top that off with compression, distortion, and scenes, and well... I love my Analog RYTM!
Analog RYTM - I want one so bad!!!
@@AudioPilz I've seen enough of your jams to know you'd make bangers with it! Just don't let me see you badmouthing my baby on bad gear...
@@spaceemanspiff watch out - it just needs enough haters on the internet to qualify!
Some nice beats there. I think the TR-8S is the best drum machine I don't own (I do have its little brother, the TR-6S though). It's got the sounds, it's got the features and it's fun to work with.
Thank you!!!
AudioPilz, Your videos always brighten my day, so I subscribed!
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Man you just keep churning it. Respect!!
Thank you!!!
You should do a bad gear of an entire Aria lineup working together - like the mixer, the vocoder, the synth, the TR and TB, etc.
Even the Aria compacts work via USB with the MX-1! I love my aria setup despite its cheesiness and flaws lol
Great idea, thanks!!!
I did it several times, amzing rig!
I would like to see that, too!
Roland's best drum machine. Simple as that. Another great video, sir. :)
Thank you!!!
I love it too but it has almost nothing to do with the drums.
I'm sorry but I love my TR-8s. And I've used the trigger out with my Juno-60. It just works.
Nice!
My favorite drum machine.
Had them both, sold them both. Now have a Perkons. I'd have another TR8S for when I need regular drum sounds and don't want to cause minor earth tremors locally! 😂
Mmmmmh, Perkons...
Yes a Perkons. Still saving for that one. But most probably the best ever!
IMO, the best drum machine currently available.
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Years ago I left you a comment where I said I was really happy you were enjoying the TB-3 so much because it was one of my favourite synths and I never saw anyone else talk about it. I got mine used for about £80 ages ago.
When I saw you had 3 I couldn't help myself, I had to look at the used prices.
£600!
How could you?
You made this thing I keep playing with my nose for a laugh into a legendary piece of gear.
I just saw one for +2K. Sorry for that
AudioPilz, Subscribed because your videos are always awesome!
Thank you so much!!!
Well, I am labelling my 8S "The Dark Knight" now.
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Just the Novation KS rack to go and you've done all my gear! :-D
I'd love to have one of these!
@@AudioPilz It's currently in storage as I'm renovating the house, if you cover shipping, you're more than welcome to borrow it for a month or so.
Awesome music again! The second jam and the last track were superb!!!
Thank you so much!!!
And another one of my boxes joins the bad gear family.
02:58 THIS!!!! SO!!! HARD!!!
I feel you!
Nice video! I actually don't know why the TR 8S gets so much flack! Actually....I kind of do, I ended up selling mine, but I bought another one back again because I missed it! LOL. I think it's just an aquired taste to those who may be looking for more of a groovebox, the 707 may be more suitable. But for a drum machine, I think it's right up there with just about anything out there especailly now that they've incorperated a TR-Editor software to save us from extensive menu-diving. Where I think it really shines is the expansive sound design features. I have fun creating a lot of one-shots and unique sounds with the Roland FX and tone shaping capbility of the FM Synth engine it has. Looking forward to more videos from you!
Thank you so much!!!
I love the theme of this show. Not just the music, but the idea that the true quality of any electronic instrument is what you do with it.❤
Those strings on the first jam, hot DAMN!
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Amazing drum machine! Still waiting for the Jupiter 8 in the channel!
J-8 moving up my list;)
The JP-8 is trash... thing can hardly stay in tune, doesn't even have a velocity sensitive keyboard. Boring vanilla analog sound design- yawwwwnnn.
@@lundsweden clearly you have a lot of experience with it.
@@DNGMaestro It's a pretty standard Roland synth in many ways, it has one foot in the 70s sound wise, in the 80s IMO.
The strength of it is the rich sounding VCOs and the filter is really good. But apart from that, it's all pretty much a standard synth, standard waveforms, you've got crossmod which is nice, but other than than it's vanilla as it gets!
@@lundsweden like i said, you clearly have a world of experience with it.
TR8s is a top unit! Bad gear? Have you run out of crap to slate?
I think that' statistically implausible...;)
@AudioPilz Why not just review Behringers cheap, unreliable crap. Now that is bad gear!
Yes, going off with the juke!! Props!!
Thank you!!!
I have mine for 4 years now and have a tb3 but also 2 behringer 303’s. A crave and a ko2. More to come. I like to do it the oldschool way without a computer.
It’s so easy to lose track of time when jamming on the gear and create some Acid techno. I love it!!
Great video👍👍
Thank you!!!
Review the Waldorf Iridium!
Great suggestion, thank you!!!
Sounded thin I sold it.
….and all the drums sounded the same.
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loved this episode. I have a TR-8S and absolutely love it.
Thank you!!!
This machine can do a lot of cool and complex things, though in reality I'm only using it to do simple 909 patterns. And perfectly happy with that
The 909 on this is spot on!
Oh no your TB-3's are replicating 😂🤣
I have a secret deal with Uli
Nah this seems like exactly what i need. THANK YOU AUDIOPILZ
NOO My favourite cherished drum machine! 😭😭😆 (Epic video as always!)
I love my TR-8S! I’m not smart enough to use the hidden features but it gets the job done when I need reliable drum sounds
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You can get the best out of bad gear! Love your videos!
PS: Loved the Astrolab tease at the end….
Thank you so much!!!
All that ACB sounded GREAT!
I use one to set up a beat to play synth keys to. The ability to sidechain an external input adds a lot to the vibe. I only really use it for ACB so really I've hardly scratched the surface.
Nice!!!
Currently have my TR-8s right beside my modular set up. It's perfect for Jamming. Super fast to get a great sound and very reliable. I don't menu dive too much as the programed Kits are very diverse. I just end up tweaking only the pitch and decay at that point anyways. I tend to favor the 909 based kits. I love having the faders. I prob could have got by with the TR-6 but I wanted ALL the outputs!
Nice approach!!!
That finale chune is proper good. Asa and Sorrow energy.
Thank you!!!
The jam at 06:00 had my sub shaking my entire desk. I'd say that this rig sounds pretty bloody sweet actually 👌🏻
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The bass drum on that last track 👌🏼 teach me how?
ACB chromatic 808 bass drum with some external processing (mainly snappy compression and saturation)
I refunded my Behringer RD-8 to oick one of these up and love it! And thats before I've even got into adding my own samples, I'm too scared of the menu diving 😆 great video as always!
Thank you!!!
Florian does an episode about the TR-8S and most comments are about the fact, that this madman now owns THREE TB-3s...
oh my god! another TB3! time for an entire album using only all 10 of your TB3s!!
TB-30!!!😂😂😂
I literally just got this in the mail... This week... As in... 3 days ago.... BTW, don't ask what I paid for a second hand mint condition one off of Reverb... You would hate me. Box and shipping, too.
Nice investment;)
I just love your show, my dear Florian! Even though a Piefke writes this: your awesome Video/Audio quality is a bit like the good old Bad Religion records in the 90s. You didn't have to prelisten - you just knew that it's gonna be a banger! ❤
Thank you so much!!!
I love my TR-8s Enjoyed your Jam at the end!
Thanks!!!
Great episode, I almost felt as if you like this one. Considered selling several times and then fell back in love after ditching USB, relying on the analog outs, and treating it like a late-80s/early-90s beatbox that would have been built if they had access to technology from the future.
Thanks!!! Analog outs are the way to go!!!
Same here. The USB is unnecessary
Oh well, considering how much gear I've bought over the past few years, and this even included some Rolands, it was inevitable that you'd eventually cover a piece of gear that I own. But because you gave it a mild verdict, my fragile ego is still intact.
Jam 2 ist geil. rollt schön und ist schön funky! Footwork is geil dark. love it
Vielen Dank!!!
Great video, great drum machine, love the 3 x TB3s !!!!!
Thank you so much!!!