The 2024 Spyderco Slysz Bowie Rerelease from KnifeJoy: A Quick Shabazz Review
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- Today, we'll take a look at one of my very favorite knives, the Spyderco Slysz Bowie, which is about to be re-released by KnifeJoy, and talk about where it lands in the very different knife market found in 2024.
Here's my review of the first KnifeJoy Re-Release: • The KnifeJoy Exclusive...
It’s absolutely not a 450 dollar knife.
It is if people buy them for $450
Why not though? Contoured Ti with M390 coming out of Taiwan. Taichung has basically always been one of Spyderco’s top factories so I don’t get this criticism.
You’re not a $450 knife.
@@f4t4lity0r4 For that price, should be Golden CO made imo.
Microtech is taking my 450
$450 is ridiculous
$300+ for a SpydieChef is ridiculous lol
Ridiculous knife pricing has no correlation to knife sales other than to boost the secondary market value......are you new to this??
The msrp for the original was $500. Debate as to whether m390 is an upgrade from cts xhp. I would have liked magnacut.
Buy the clone it’s just as good if not better
Thank you for your honest take as usual
I would like to see more retailers get in on the slyz bowie sprint run action. I don’t personally want one, but i want happiness for the people who do and sadness for the parasites/scalpers.
@@johnnysilverhand1733 the scalping game is, as Nick points out, parasitic. the knife hobby could carry on quite happily without it, i've gone 14 years in the hobby without feeding the parasites.
the problem is the parasites make it harder for non-scalpers to get the knives they are after. they suck joy out of the hobby for people, which is why i am totally okay with hating them and hoping they lose business on top of simply not giving them any of my money.
@@Lack_of_responseits part of life, same thing with Rolex, Tesla Trucks, etc etc.
@@texashobbies some things being expensive is part of life. people buying them for no reason other than to make them more expensive for someone else is, as others have said, being a scumbag. scumbags are a part of life, but they are a part we can diminish by calling them out on it and not supporting them.
I've always wanted one...but I can get two or three great knives for $450
Yeah it's lovely but it's a $200 build no question
@@Omniseedmaybe if it was coming from China. I guess everyone is expecting bestech prices now
@@f4t4lity0r4plenty of Spyderco knives made in Taiwan have been over $200 but usually some limited release like the K-2. But some have also been about $200-$240 in exclusive titanium colors too…
its sure as shit not coming from america lol. its still coming from a place with vastly lower skilled labor costs. youre right though i mean how else can they afford to pay their Taiwanese factory a fraction of a fraction more than a Chinese one. golly, theyre probably getting like a whole 50 cents more a month! Wont anything think of poor spyderco???
@f4t4lity0r4 how much different is the cost of labor from China to Taiwan? Prob not much. $450 would feel right for golden CO US made.
Garbage. Im bored to tears with the planned scarcity in the knife market and have zero interest in chasing knives. All they're doing with these drops is feeding the secondary market madness.
My willingness to buy is around $250. Anything more is just plain hype.
Seems to be a good knife one i would purchase untill i seen $450. 😢
*Edit* It's not made n USA 😢😢
This is a well-made knife that makes the plain CRK Sebenza 31 look like a bargain.
Idk presently the cheapest iteration sells for $425 and they go way up from there. So maybe if you feel the CRK is far superior then I guess it could look like a bargain.
This. Using "we dont want scalpers" as a reason to increase the price another 50? 100 off a CRK, with a far worse warranty
@@charlesdudek7713 so american made, for less or 100 more? Yea. Worth it. Easily. lol
@@FinickyVoid They are definitely a nice looking knife and I definitely prefer American made knives. I just can't bring myself to pay much over 200 for a knife.
@@johnnysilverhand1733 If you own a Sebenza then I'm sure you own knives in the $200 range as well. Describe for me specifically two things about the Sebenza that makes it worth over double the price of a $200 knife. I'm not being argumentative I'm interested. Maybe you can talk me into buying one. Btw the knives I own in the $150 -$200 range are American made and I am happy with them. Just wondering what sets the CRK apart.
My car payment is less than this knife
Yep, the price isn't great. Compare to a Reate Tiger with compound ground M390 blade, beautifully milled Ti frame, milled Ti pocket clip, full, milled backspacer, and zirc pivot collars ... for $75 less. That said, I would be very tempted IF they had simply rereleased the original version.
$450.00 huh.............Yes, but no thanks!
Thanks Nick. I do like that design. Sure it's a premium offering, but imo this is not a $450 knife...$300, I'm most likely all in.
I got one of the first knifejoy ones for $400 and I felt like the price was steep. $450 is just kinda... Well, look, you could buy this or buy groceries for a couple weeks...
Just eat ramen for two weeks
Yeah, or you can save an extra $50 and get a CRK Umnumzaan
At least knives last longer than groceries. That’s how I justify it to myself anyways 😂
For real, when the first knife joy bowie dropped 400 bucks went a hell of a lot farther than 450 now.
why so many chefs and not more bowies?
This is always been on my list of things to get, BUT, not for $450.
I thought I would want one, but no. Thanks for still doing reviews
Why is that expensive??? That’s pretty typical for a Taiwan spyderco… 🤷♂️ I have the previous knife knifejoy version.. I think the lock bar insert was completely unnecessary and stands out when the knife block bar side is shown
Great knife great video 👍
Just like you Nick it's my very favorite thing in the world to be lectured about "supply and demand". By people who barely made it through high school macro. I mean, yes I have an advanced degree in economics. But you know, I just missed that lesson in the many years of having to learn about real economics. Anyway, there are a lot of good takes in this video. I think it's cool it's coming back but a Large 31 in Magnacut is 50 dollars more but like, it's in 63-64HRC Magnacut. You can replace it whenever. CRK has great warranty, too. Yeah it's an upcharge but you can get micarta or wood inlays if you want them. And at least for me, the blade of the 31 is more useful with it's much lower tip.
@@viewviewview1236 data science in tech actually. I get selling out but shame about wasting your potential like that
@@viewviewview1236 you literally sound like the villain who stole the riddler's board game lolololol. Hey at least with all that money you can make a good effort at buying the respect you'll never earn from doing real work. Hope it works out for you
People are absolutely not even going to hesitate to buy this knife at that price so I get it but for me its a nope, never.
I have no interest at 450.
I have one from the original release and it’s been absolutely perfect. The original price was $400 which I was happy to pay given the Bowie reputation as a Spyderco classic. $50 more two years later with a couple upgrades seems totally reasonable to me. People will always complain about prices. They’ll cope eventually.
I love how aware you are of the fact that prices aren't going up strictly because of inflation and because there are so very greedy people on the other end of this. The reality is every price hike that there has been there is some person that pushed to manifest the increase and I hope at some point they get their silver spoonful of karma.
Unfortunately they missed the great things about the original knife. The blade finish on the original is amazing. This one not so much. The anodizing on the new version is terrible. It scratches to easy and the knife looks old after a week of carry.
I don't doubt there are people willing to spend $450 for this. But when I see the steel, the finishing, the materials... It isn't worth it for me. The finishing is better on the original. I also really like CTS-XHP.
The Slysz Bowie (and the TRM "out of stock" racket) is the knife that turned me off from knife collection racket. I'm sure there's an algorythm on just how many knives to make in a run to creat the highest profit to cost/effort. The hype, the "drops", the exclusives, the sprint runs, the knives you can't buy unless you know somebody, screw it all. I own a Spydiechef and love the design and if I bought one of the Slysz Bowie's I'm sure it would have that some joy for me, but I refuse to participate in the bs that goes on with knives and EDC anymore. Having a knife "reviewed" by one of the hype collaborators, is a death sentence for my interest. Guys, wake up you're being worked.
BRING BACK THE "K-2"
Now THATS A KNIFE! Unfortunately that bridge was burnt and it won’t be coming back.
I had the chance to get the Bowie or K2 and got the K2. I did get a Bowie later, but I’d pick the K2 over the Bowie any day.
The K2 is a beautiful beast; I’ll never get my hands on one; or the Nirvana for that matter. One can dream though.
@@echos-myron I never liked the grind on the Nirvana or Paysan.
I think I would rather have k-2 design from Farid instead of the Spyderco version those custom knives look way more functional. Hint he added scales to ti frame lock increase the thickness of the handle. Still the k2 is a cool looking knife and huge.
Am I the only one who prefers XHP to M390?
$450 is insanity. If they would just make them on the reg, or make a g10 or cf version around them same setup as a yojimbo it would revive their company. A lot of people wholely abandoned Spyderco bc of this. I'll still buy a ronin 2 when I lose or break mine, but other than that it's boojshie pricing. Even when I made $90k/yr as single 30 yr old nine yrs ago, spending money like water, I still would be not have spent three$450, but I would like one, however I'm really excited about the great budget bend crjb/artisan dropping the Prado and Bowie Pyrite soon and that will be goos enough for me. I'm not necessarily a hater, but I'm not rich & am becoming the opposite of that as I meet the things in life that make us stronger or break us permanently. When I get through the end of my parents life and my aunt whom I take care of and their property, maybe I'll grab one if consumer companies still exist in America
Sorry these knifes are definitely not worth $450 or $350... not even close, been collecting 50 year's, that's a crazy price, talk about a money grab.
450$ is really expensive for this knife.
That's probably the most expensive $275 knife that I've ever seen.
Edit: I'll just keep using my ti/cf s90v Millie that I got lnib for $225 a few weeks ago. Buying any new knife when the secondary market is what it is right now feels ridiculous to me.
in defense of CTS-XHP, it's considerably tougher than M390. the jump in toughness and relatively modest decrease in wear resistance can still be of interest to some users.* incidentally the former is also easier to bring to a reflective polish.
*like me, who will occasionally press a blade into functional ass-hattery.
The m390 is max 60rc and could be lower. Spyderco USA only does 60-62rc m390.
I'm simultaneously delighted and absolutely terrified because THE PRICE IS GOING TO THE MOON.
the commitment to the batman mask.... respect.
I love spyderco and benchmade but their pricing is forcing to give up this hobby
Beautiful knife, glad they added the lockbar insert
But the price is ridiculous, especially for a Taiwanese knife. There’s no way around it. It’s just ridiculously hard to justify, especially in times when expendable income is scarce for most people, including collectors
I wish Spyderco would stop making/re-releasing fan-favorites in these weird iterations/runs, especially amid this year’s across-the-board price increase. The Military 2 got a lot of praise in 2023 because it seemed like an effort to make a product better and more affordable simultaneously, and we need more of that
I'll take the Slysz Swayback all day over this (and it's $200 in stock at DLT right now).
Nick never misses. Tells it like it is always. That being said, I'm not mad at this drop. However, my wallet is waiting for the Spymyto, Bodacious, and Cru Carta Manix 2.
That Spymyto is on my radar
@@giantfatberg great minds think alike. Removable flipper, micarta on Ti. Good luck to us both 😆
Would be my dream knife if it wasn't so over priced, especially with the Spymyto releasing soon at half the price.
My heart deflated when I heard $450 I cant lie.
IMO it's a bargain compared to the OG. Several upgrades on this newer release. But I don't think either are well enough made the the cost so I agree that it's too much but in comparison this release is at least going in the right direction. Maybe they will fix all the other issues with the design and execution and price it at $250 😂
450 seems like a lot when you can get things like the viper turn, a very similar knife in shape if not style, in the same m390 for 250. its a 2013 high end knife competing against the 2024 knife market. yeah it has generally kept pace with inflation, but it hasnt kept pace with knife market advances, it just doesnt really match up. a lot of folks would say that sebenzas are no longer competitive at their price, and they are a clear step up from the slysz bowie in quality. if it came out at the original price maybe it would have been competitive, but frankly at this point there are nicer knives for cheaper.
I think the REAL comparison we need to see is: What currently manufactured knife would this best be compared to? And what does THAT knife cost? I think the current state of knife quality and availability makes $450 an insane price for THIS knife.....
Yeah, just ignore me. Should have realized Nick was headed that direction before I posted. :)
I can deal with the price but not that blade finish!! The original was sooo good.
They can suck a lemon for $450!!! I’ll take a SBD mini tempest before I buy that. With Fat Carbon. Spyderco has lost their minds. $300 we could talk, but Titanium & M390… Nah, I’m good.
Bought a Kunwu Padre for 300 bucks... and it is miles ahead of this knife.
At 10:15 you explain this perfectly!
All these comments that say "yeah I'd only buy at $200 or $300". It was $300 literally 10 years ago, why on earth would it cost less now? It's pretty much the exact same price as inflation, just remember that the Fed has printed $15 trillion dollars in the past 3 years, so yes it's quite literally a $450 knife. Nick even acknowledges it's $10 cheaper than inflation actually, "but I just don't like it". Alright, that's fair but we all wish burgers were still 99 cents. Also I guarantee that every single person commenting on this video has spent at least two or three times this knife's cost in the past 6 months on random crap like scales, various other knives they never use, overpriced lube, drivers, backspacers, and have no problem lusting after an $800-$1000 Oz Roosevelt and justify it in their mind because it's US made.
There was less competition back then. This is a 10 year old knife design with amateurish fit and finish selling for Reate integral money.
I flippin love this knife!! I want one so so badly but I live in Canada so there's no way I'm going to pay over 600 bucks for a knife that will get stolen in the mail before it even gets too me :(. Happy to see the model back but unfortunately I'll never see one : /. Thank you good sir for all your content, may your edge stay sharp and your fingers free of cuts.
20-30% of these are going to be bought by those flippers hoping for a fast sellout so they can flip them for $600+
You're not kidding about price increases. Just on a whim I checked the price of a spydiechef and if was drinking something would have done a spit-take. I bought mine about 2.5 years ago for about $220 IIRC, now the msrp is $400 (though most sites are realistically selling at a little over $300). Yikes.
Hmmm. The new one seems to have a different pocket clip bolt offset. Seems to be a few mm different than the older one.
I noticed that as well. I think this is a first impressions video. Nick will probably go into more detail later on. I'll be waiting for the release of the sage 5 in Rex 121 lol. Screw the slyzie Bowie.
I am one of the people who bought one on the last drop because of your review. I bought it with the intention of using it. After seeing what the second hand market was trading them for I couldn’t bring myself to carry and abuse it. I still have it and it bothers me that I probably won’t use it any time soon and probably will never sell it as long as things remain the same. So where do we go from here? I hope that they crank them out and flood the market so I can justify using mine without fear of not being able to replace it. Thanks Nick for still being here and making videos for people like us who can’t abide a sub par cutting tool.
Sell it and with the aftermarket funds buy a yourself Sebenza and dinner.
@@franky3fingers337 Already have a couple Sebenzas. I accidentally won 2 on ebay but I get your point. I really wasn’t loving the wire clip either.
Just wanted to thank you for making my decision easy. Thumbs down. They’re sitting.
I really like CTS XHP on the older version, I own a couple of blades in CTS XHP and like it a lot. The only reason I didn't buy one of these was due to the lack of a steel insert on the lock bar. Everything else was fantastic.
Totally agree, not sure why the hate for XHP, it is fantastic to me, I have a Strider and a couple of Spyderco’s as well and all of them take a fantastic edge, have great edge retention and strops back amazingly well.
I don't see 450 worth of knife here. Sorry
Booooooo Spyderco goin yhe way of Benchmade.
All anyone talks about is the price and exclusivity. To me it looks like an ugly, blocky knife with an awkward straight/clip point.
Each to his own. I think it’s quite attractive and I’ve handled a trade in piece at my local shop. It’s very comfortable in hand. I just won’t spend that much.
I hear you.
I'm sure it's a good knife, light, great steel and all but...
...none of that matters because this is a knife for the enthusiast, not for people looking for a workhorse knife.
And as an enthusiast there's nothing appealing on it.
Funny how some people won't give it a second look and others are shelling out a grand for one of these ain't it.
It's 450 which sucks... but I want one regardless.
Oh god, not “Nickflation” all over again!!
Screw that knife. It's priced absurdly. No doubt some people will pay that price. Me, I refuse, I can afford it but feel the price is piracy.
Yep! I too can afford it but I’d rather have a CRK for the money. Spyderco is like the Tacoma of the truck world. It’s not even US made 😐
I love my Bowie. Paid around 260 on the german secondary market years ago. Obviously before the price hype.
This is Spyderco. This could be a $350 USA made regularly available knife.
Low supply, high demand= High price
@@hafertr1235oh is that how the economy works? 😂
$250 tops
@@chaddixson8398 why sell them for 350 when people will pay 450, they sold out within an hour. And this is a collectors item this design will never be a regularly available knife.
I like this knife but I haven't bought a new knife in a few years. I don't need another knife. At this price point a Sebenza 31 in Magnacut makes more sense to me. But I salute Knifejoy for ponying up for this run. I hope they do well with it and people enjoy this version too.
Fantastic looking Spydies. Sounds like you are super impressed with this version.I have the same opinion about scalpers. They nasty
I just got mine from the 2/29/24 drop. Thanks Nick for all the love and support you’ve given this model in your videos. Made me want one for sure. Glad for the opportunity today. BTW, 25 minutes in to the drop and they’re still available.
Nice knife but waaaay too expensive. Those are crazy Benchmade prices. Yes, it's a special order and everybody who is willing to pay money, fine, I do not begrudge you. I'm glad for you. But I would never pay that much and they need to accept that many knife nerds say the same and critizise the high price.
I totally agree to you that taking the wind out of those who want to rip-off others is a good thing. 😊
BTW, I wouldn't even call M390 and upgrade to CTS-XHP. ;)
Wish it would come out per original spec - stonewashed blade was class
FOMO exclusives got so terribly old like 5 years ago. Please stop spyderco et al. Nobody wants that anymore.
For me, this just shows how far behind Spyderco really is. Contoured Ti + lock bar interface + m390 does not = 450. It doesn't add up for me. Do I like the design? Yes. Can I get a Hinderer or CRK or anything production from Reate & Bestech? Yes.
The Slysz Bowie's time has passed
Satin is sooooo much sexier nicholas
Giving up the classic polished stonewash blade & ti scales for a belt satin finish and a blasted ti frame now then adding 150+ tax 😟, I think I’ll buy a new glock 43x 9mm clone from palmetto state armory and a holster & weapon light, box of ammo… delving into midtech-custom pricing will leave it for the noobs 😃
XHP wins over M390 for me. Highes HRC, better edge stability and pleasure to sharpen.
Edge retention of XHP and M390 almost the same acording to Cedric and Ada's tests on Spyderco Mule.
But I understand that better corosin resistance of M390 is very important for many people, but not for me.
Spyderco is my favorite knife production company, but for that price I'd rather buy another Sebenza. It's like if Toyota, one of my favorite car companies, launched a $250k car. Love Toyota, but I'd rather use that money on a Ferrari or McLaren.
An interesting comparison that makes Nick’s point is the Berg Blades “Tick” (which rhymes with “Nick”). The dimensions and basic shape are quite similar. The tick has some nice upgrades, all for $325. The titanium scales are contoured, just like the SB. There are 11 versions, but one version has a stonewashed and polished s90v blade along with a dlc coated stonewashed contoured titanium scales. No spydie hole, but a fuller for spydie flicks. A milled titanium pocket clip. Made by Reate. It would be interesting to get Nick to compare the materials, quality, fit and finish between the two which would in some ways reflect how the knife industry as a whole has changed over the past 14 years. Nick, what do you think?
I mean cool, but ME PERSONALLY i do not like Frame locks and Liner Locks, i haven’t purchased one since 2004.
450$?! Yea no way!!!! 😂
One small point here:
Nick, you'd know this better than me because you follow higher end knives way more than I do, but I don't think there is any such thing as mirror polished 20CV/M390/204P, and if there is I bet it costs way more than $450. In fact, I believe XHP is the most wear resistant steel that can be mirror polished, or at least be mirror polished on a mass produced product (maybe due to its lack of Vanadium carbides?). I'm pretty sure they'd need to use XHP or CPM 154 (or RWL-34) to have a mirror finish.
Can't change the conclusion of the review obviously. Just my long winded way of speculating that it's likely possible to upgrade from XHP or retain mirror polishing but not do both.
I would understand the price if it was US made.. and if they are going to refresh it why not go with s90v or Magnacut? Just doesn’t make sense.
Of all the issues with the knife the cost ranks last for me. Ive sold all my Spyderco Taichung Ti stuff for most of the same issues with the Bowie.
Orginal Bowie Issues:
1. Lock Stick
2. Spydie hole access
3. Hardware (too much too small)
4. Backspacer
5. Overtravel
6. Pocket Clip
7. Blade to scale ratio
8. Laynard Hole
9. Blade steel (I like XHP but doesn't belong on a Ti rust resistant knife)
10. Pivot size and design
11. Lock bar robustness (issue with most Ti Spyderco)
12. MSRP and Secondary
Spyderco as most manufacturers and custom makers especially learned years ago artificial scarcity is an important tool to keep their brand in demand so thats absolutely the only reason there is interest in this knife. Definitely credit due to Nick for kicking off some of the SB hype but it was and is intergal to the high end in knife market anyways.
It's a beautiful knife and I have always wanted one and I own 36 Spyderco knives and I like the old original that your showing but $450 is way out of my price range and like Benchmade they are also over priced. Like always you are doing a great job.
$450??? Now even with the Global Alloy shortages, That price is just insane. You sure are making Benchmade look better and better LOL!
For a knife that size should be a user..xhp would be preferred..for 450.00 hard pass can get a pm 2 in better steel for less. Seems like a safe queen in m390 at that price.
I'm sad to see that Spyderco no longer seems to focus on CQI and quality for value.
Taichung used up be the top.... but now they're chasing even the Civivi and Sencut or Artisan Cutlery and CJRB.
Nick spittin' truth. Perhaps I'm lowbrow, but, people, get a Kizer T1 and take your savings and go somewhere on Spirit Airlines.
The T1 is fantastic. One of my favorite knives. And way less expensive. 👍✌️
Might have been worth the price in the original release because it was limited and done. But re-releasing deflates the exclusivity, even if they followed standard inflation. I agree with you that the whole limited release thing is seriously abused and spikes the FOMO condition, so people will overpay in secondary market. Bless them all for going broke buying knives that often never cut anything. I'm ok spending $1K or more on a knife I'm excited about but I would never buy a knife that won't be carried and used as a knife. It will get scratched up in my pocket and dropped on the ground and GOD forbid, I will even cut shit with it and re-sharpen it.
Nick…I think it’s time you grow up and get your priorities straight. Quit you friggen day job and get back to making knife videos on UA-cam. Enough’s enough now. If I hear about another “BLBB” (button lock budget banger) I’m gonna start watching knot tying tutorials so I can learn how to properly hang myself…
Its a nice looking knife, but I dont get it. $50 more than a TRM Atom in diamond textured titanium? I think me not getting it is a function of the fact Ive only been collecting knives for about 2 years, so theres zero nostalgia value. Also if Im being honest, I consider M390 a downgrade from CTS XHP. I realize everyone has different tastes/needs/uses but I prefer the significantly greater toughness of XHP.
No knife is worth 450. Has everyone lost their mind? Good looking knife but unless it is made of gold I would never buy one.
No way that's worth $450, specially when it's made in China. I like Spyderco and have several of them. Their are so many knives with same material and quality made that is made in USA Spyderco for less. Best of luck to all that bought this knife. I can see this sell this on the 2nd market when the 3rd gen comes out for $300 buck.
Glad I was able to snag one of the originals on closeout back in the day. I really like it and didn’t sell it at peak used. Certainly wouldn’t pay current new prices.
It’s definitely a unicorn-having missed the last drop 3 years ago. Definitely a must in any collection.
Pricing is simply bizarre! A far superior Hinderer XM-18 (3.5” blade) costs slightly less. Plus you could dress the Hinderer to your specific taste and needs.
4:38 Spits on knife
Wish guys would stop crying about the price. Dont buy it if it’s out of your price range. I just bought it. Expensive. To me worth every penny. Remove price and this knife is a masterpiece.
I can definitely see paying 450 for this knife. Bargain in comparison to some of the junk out there. Thanks for sharing.
Honestly, I wish the CKF Loro got even 1/4th the hype that the Bowie got. I owned an OG one and came away very dissapointed over how far away the blade felt and how poor the middle finger flick access from the lockside was. Different strokes for different folks but this one just wasn't for me.
Have to admit that i have a original Slysz and i like my Kansept model 6 K1022A1 more as my EDC.
Your hype is better than all the other hype combined. Love your reviews and own a few more knives than I need as a result.
There is actually someone asking $1500 on ebay for this. That is crazy. Love this knife but at todays prices and the scalpers, no thank you
@nickshabazz I’ve been with you, yes, beginning of your channel. Sorry you’re being too nice.