In Canada the Baxter adapter is available from www.northridge4x4.com Baxter has a great video for installing it ua-cam.com/video/x-mHDMZjP6Q/v-deo.html
Listen your 3.6 pentastar engine never has to ever have s dry start again. Here's how you do this place your foot on the brake and push to the floor while simultaneously pushing the accelerator to floor and holding them there. Push and hold the start button it will crank and not start and this fills the oil filter housing and primes the valve train and fills the lifters this alone will save your rockers. Now I know you said you don't want to hear about oil. Amsoil Signature Series will also help those rockers and quiet that engine down and I prove this consistently. With my sisters journey my neighbors pickup my son's Cherokee my Dad's Journey another neighbors Jeep Wrangler on and on and on expensive oil is always cheaper than a engine and always start it after 8 hrs of sitting using that Flood mode I instructed above and if that's a stick shift then just pull the fuel relay out and crank it for 15 seconds twice for both situations manual or automatic. This flood mode does just that floods the filter housing and oil cooler with oil and primes your entire engine.. otherwise just keep putting engines in it.
As shown in the video, anything you do to fill the oil cooler and filter housing before starting will ensure full oil pressure as soon as the engine starts therefore preventing long term wear.
My household had a 2008 JK with the older design 3.8l. It used a spin on type filter. After one oil change the engine started making a racket for a second or two after each cold start. After another new oil filter was installed the noise went away and never returned. Fast forward to the 3.6l and Stellantis is still selling engines that have this undesirable trait on purpose. It really is planned obsolesce at its worst. It doesn't add up to cumulative damage until after the warranty is long gone. I hope the device you are going to install helps you get a long life out of the replacement engine.
I left Jeep after they dropped the 4.0L straight six that's in your TJ. I'm building the last of the proven 3rd gen Tacomas. I bought a 23 when I heard about the design change. The 24 4Runner is currently the last good older proven platform remaining. Good luck with your new engine and keep making great videos. The wife and I enjoy watching your trips.
Great explanation and makes sense, now we need to know more about the part and cost of the item to fix this issue. I have done what you said about starting but the fix is what I am after. Great video guys😊
I installed the Baxter adapter a couple days ago, no more rattle noise on start up 👍 Does yours still rattle if you prime it first using clear flood mode?
Yes you are correct!! With the Baxter oil filter solution your new engine should last for a long long time. Putting a snorkel on to control the dust problem would also be a bonus. Now you have a new engine watch your transmission because with all that new power the next weak link will be the transmission. I would recommend a rebuild of the tranny and of course regular oil changes for the transmission at least every 50,000KM. I think Jeep recommends a trany oil change every 120,000 miles to ensure it will also fail early.
It has a snorkel already, I'm looking into pre-filters now even if it's just old Pantyhose on the snorkel 🤣🤣 Regular transmission fluid changes is a must 👍
As a former FCA tech even I never knew the factory adapter lacked the anti drainback. There are 2 different OE ones: the early adapter and the late adapter. But it seems to make no difference, a rocker fails and wipes a cam out no matter what. Dorman also makes an aluminum adapter using the late adapter oil filter but no mention if it has the anti drainback valve.
Correct, I had the Dorman cooler on the old engine (replaced for leak), same drain back issue, no check valve. I thought the same thing when I did the first oil change, first thought was "were did oil go?" I figured they have millions of these on the road so... nope, I was wrong 😏
Great information, Thanks for the video. I visited the Baxter Performance website and they have a product for my toyota to deal with the same issue. How did you get them to ship to Canada though?
If that is a 2012 they had bad needle bearings in the roller rockers. Most likely a supplier problem. If you take the rocker a part you will find the needles look like mouse turds. I worked on a fleet of mini vans that had this problem. We used good oil and changed it at 5000 miles or 6 months.
Fully depress the brake and throttle, then crank the engine. No fuel is delivered during this time. Do this for about 5 secs, the oil filter fills during this time. Start normally after that.
The 3.6 seems to be a hit or miss for people. But that’s probably most engines anyways. There’s a video of a 3.6 hitting 626,000 miles. It was in a Ram Promaster. The mechanic did a tear down on it.
Was anti drainback added with auto start/stop and the mild valvetrain changes made in 2016? Do the latest 3.6 Pentastars have the same issue or has it been resolved?
You would know when you remove the oil filter cap, all the oil would flow out and flood the valley under then intake manifold, so I would guess it has not changed.
The last good wrangler was made in 2006. I've owned several. It's been downhill since DC took over jeep, and Stellantis is just continuing that trend. Sad to see what became of an automotive icon.🤷♂️
In Canada the Baxter adapter is available from www.northridge4x4.com
Baxter has a great video for installing it ua-cam.com/video/x-mHDMZjP6Q/v-deo.html
Listen your 3.6 pentastar engine never has to ever have s dry start again. Here's how you do this place your foot on the brake and push to the floor while simultaneously pushing the accelerator to floor and holding them there. Push and hold the start button it will crank and not start and this fills the oil filter housing and primes the valve train and fills the lifters this alone will save your rockers. Now I know you said you don't want to hear about oil. Amsoil Signature Series will also help those rockers and quiet that engine down and I prove this consistently. With my sisters journey my neighbors pickup my son's Cherokee my Dad's Journey another neighbors Jeep Wrangler on and on and on expensive oil is always cheaper than a engine and always start it after 8 hrs of sitting using that Flood mode I instructed above and if that's a stick shift then just pull the fuel relay out and crank it for 15 seconds twice for both situations manual or automatic. This flood mode does just that floods the filter housing and oil cooler with oil and primes your entire engine.. otherwise just keep putting engines in it.
As shown in the video, anything you do to fill the oil cooler and filter housing before starting will ensure full oil pressure as soon as the engine starts therefore preventing long term wear.
My household had a 2008 JK with the older design 3.8l. It used a spin on type filter. After one oil change the engine started making a racket for a second or two after each cold start. After another new oil filter was installed the noise went away and never returned. Fast forward to the 3.6l and Stellantis is still selling engines that have this undesirable trait on purpose. It really is planned obsolesce at its worst. It doesn't add up to cumulative damage until after the warranty is long gone. I hope the device you are going to install helps you get a long life out of the replacement engine.
I left Jeep after they dropped the 4.0L straight six that's in your TJ.
I'm building the last of the proven 3rd gen Tacomas. I bought a 23 when I heard about the design change. The 24 4Runner is currently the last good older proven platform remaining.
Good luck with your new engine and keep making great videos. The wife and I enjoy watching your trips.
Thank you for that and good luck with your build!
Ya, same thing happened with my engine as well.
happy to see you are back up and running!!
See you guys out on the trail!
I think ultimately this will happen to every one of these engines...
@@VoyagerOverland I have to agree with you on this one!
Great explanation and makes sense, now we need to know more about the part and cost of the item to fix this issue. I have done what you said about starting but the fix is what I am after. Great video guys😊
Got it from www.northridge4x4.com
, came in just under $500
Baxter has a great video for installing it
ua-cam.com/video/x-mHDMZjP6Q/v-deo.html
My 3.6 Rattles as well got 214k on it doesn't burn oil though
I installed the Baxter adapter a couple days ago, no more rattle noise on start up 👍
Does yours still rattle if you prime it first using clear flood mode?
Yes you are correct!! With the Baxter oil filter solution your new engine should last for a long long time. Putting a snorkel on to control the dust problem would also be a bonus.
Now you have a new engine watch your transmission because with all that new power the next weak link will be the transmission. I would recommend a rebuild of the tranny and of course regular oil changes for the transmission at least every 50,000KM. I think Jeep recommends a trany oil change every 120,000 miles to ensure it will also fail early.
It has a snorkel already, I'm looking into pre-filters now even if it's just old Pantyhose on the snorkel 🤣🤣
Regular transmission fluid changes is a must 👍
As a former FCA tech even I never knew the factory adapter lacked the anti drainback. There are 2 different OE ones: the early adapter and the late adapter. But it seems to make no difference, a rocker fails and wipes a cam out no matter what. Dorman also makes an aluminum adapter using the late adapter oil filter but no mention if it has the anti drainback valve.
Correct, I had the Dorman cooler on the old engine (replaced for leak), same drain back issue, no check valve.
I thought the same thing when I did the first oil change, first thought was "were did oil go?" I figured they have millions of these on the road so... nope, I was wrong 😏
@@VoyagerOverland planned obsolescence
Great information, Thanks for the video. I visited the Baxter Performance website and they have a product for my toyota to deal with the same issue. How did you get them to ship to Canada though?
Got it from www.northridge4x4.com, came in just under $500
@@VoyagerOverland😍Thank you!
If that is a 2012 they had bad needle bearings in the roller rockers. Most likely a supplier problem. If you take the rocker a part you will find the needles look like mouse turds. I worked on a fleet of mini vans that had this problem. We used good oil and changed it at 5000 miles or 6 months.
How do you do the clear flood mode start?
Fully depress the brake and throttle, then crank the engine. No fuel is delivered during this time. Do this for about 5 secs, the oil filter fills during this time. Start normally after that.
@@VoyagerOverland Thanks.
Does that only work on Jeeps or does it work for any 3.6 Pentastar?
@@namgip67 I should be explained in the owner's manual under starting procedures.
Great video!
Thank you 👍
The 3.6 seems to be a hit or miss for people. But that’s probably most engines anyways. There’s a video of a 3.6 hitting 626,000 miles. It was in a Ram Promaster. The mechanic did a tear down on it.
Yep. My ex-psychopath has a 2013 grand caravan with 300k on it. Never touched the engine. Stock plugs, stock oil adapter, etc…
Was anti drainback added with auto start/stop and the mild valvetrain changes made in 2016?
Do the latest 3.6 Pentastars have the same issue or has it been resolved?
You would know when you remove the oil filter cap, all the oil would flow out and flood the valley under then intake manifold, so I would guess it has not changed.
The last good wrangler was made in 2006. I've owned several. It's been downhill since DC took over jeep, and Stellantis is just continuing that trend. Sad to see what became of an automotive icon.🤷♂️
The more complex the vehicles are... the more complex the problems I guess.
Curiously what was the mileage when it failed? I have a 2018 with 58k and look for a long life, Baxter in the future.
240k KM's (155k miles)
Too many CCC's for this vehicle....I hope you have plans to sell/trade this out of a Jeep
Only if I want to be single again....
I'll keep my 4.0 I6, thanks. lol
I second that! 👍
I always wondered why automotive engines don't have pre-oilers like aircraft engines.
Especially when considering most of the engine wear occurs during cold start 😏
Glad i own a Toyota
What a terrible design