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    For today's video we're gonna talk about 3-Hit Passives, trying to figure out why there are so many of them in the game and more importantly why they even exist in the first place!
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  • @VarsVerum
    @VarsVerum  2 роки тому +32

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    • @krystians2016
      @krystians2016 2 роки тому +3

      you can say every champion have 3 hit passive if they take PTA

    • @AlryFireBlade
      @AlryFireBlade 2 роки тому +1

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    • @JoseGonzalez-wj8nz
      @JoseGonzalez-wj8nz 2 роки тому

      You forgot about Yuumi's R.

    • @hggpi
      @hggpi 2 роки тому

      facecheck is pretty good i found it before you got the sponsor and its so funny when i start to flame in the lobby when someone has low winrate... unfortunately most of the time they dont realize iam not serious because there are people who would do the same but they would take it seriously

    • @ksizzle6789
      @ksizzle6789 2 роки тому

      Too bad over wolf fucking sucks

  • @thoom4993
    @thoom4993 2 роки тому +437

    Pretty biased here but imo Daisy's 3-hit passive is one of the better designed ones.
    While not entirely necessary, you can reposition daisy so you can knock up multiple people with her 3rd smash. This brings some extra skill expression into the ability for the Ivern mains without making it too difficult to use for the newer players.

    • @RadicalJawzFunnyMoments
      @RadicalJawzFunnyMoments 2 роки тому +18

      Daisy is one of my favourites ever period like the ult. But yeah it’s so good

    • @JMScibra
      @JMScibra 2 роки тому +5

      While I don't care for Vayne's true damage, the fact that her 3-hit passive is only on one target at a time is at least some better thought put into it than most 3-hit passives that can apply them to any and all targets simultaneously.

    • @tristannottrysten
      @tristannottrysten 2 роки тому +21

      @@JMScibra other 3 hit passives dont deal %max health true damage, which is impossible to build against. Vayne needs a mini rework

    • @fhsbjfjrjdj4427
      @fhsbjfjrjdj4427 2 роки тому +6

      @@JMScibra Vaynes passive makes sense to since she’s a hunter that tunnel visions on her prey. She has to target one person in order to actual get use out of her passive

    • @lolosh99
      @lolosh99 2 роки тому +1

      And Lilia too

  • @Mekcstriker
    @Mekcstriker 2 роки тому +109

    My three hit passive on Vars Videos is hitting the like, bell and subscribe buttons.

  • @franconunez925
    @franconunez925 2 роки тому +238

    I'll say this is the butter of abilities because every class that is direct combat focused can benefit with these abilities(and the only non-combat focused are supports and long-range mages) so ADC the obvious one, mages will be able to do something between abilities and also will probably help with laning and last hitting minions, while tanks don't have those because they would be directly broken with those(I mean, Gnar's an ADC and when he transforms he actually looses the passive) so yeah, my take is because it fits in almost any champ and I can't wait to hear your takes.

  • @paveldundr6390
    @paveldundr6390 2 роки тому +52

    I'd say important aspect of Vaynes 3 hit is the fact she needs to do 3 consecutive attacks on the same target. You said as ADC you wanted to attack whatever moves anyways - but in teamfight as ADC (especialy as short range as Vayne) you need to balance attacking the most dangerous target with attacking targets that don't require you to missposition in order to do so. In hectic teamfight it often means ADC wants to switch targets as dangerous enemies pop out of their teams safety and return back, but Vayne wants to keep attacking one target which may lead her to overextend and die.

    • @pebblebrowser
      @pebblebrowser 2 роки тому +2

      That's an actually smart comment I didn't think of ngl

    • @strixzahven2742
      @strixzahven2742 2 роки тому +1

      I definitely agree, however I feel like it's not that prevalent after early mid game, you get a lot of AS and guinso's passive so 2 autoattacks can be fitted in most of the time. I feel like that is more fleshed out with Kai'Sa, since she can only proc her passive fast if she lands Void Spike

    • @Red_Angel-dw4cv
      @Red_Angel-dw4cv 2 роки тому

      If vayen 3 shots people it doesnt even matter

    • @balazszsigmond826
      @balazszsigmond826 Рік тому +1

      @@strixzahven2742 you mean dash, void strike aa aa? Yea, that is the combo, usually either followed up by a frantic disengage attempt or a "duck it I ult its a*s, let's see which of us lives to tell the tale".

  • @D0P3ST
    @D0P3ST 2 роки тому +200

    I think the under looked value of "3-hit passives" are their prevalence. Especially when you consider we have around 150 champions in the game at this point, it is near impossible for someone hasn't dedicated years to the game to learn everything about all the champs and their interactions. In same way in fighting game their are often shared inputs or consistent "gattlings" across characters, I think 3-hit passives are something the champion design teams has identified as something they want to be on a lot of champs, especially they one they want to be more popular and not be overly unapproachable.
    If all you do is play league then it does maybe get boring to see over and over again, but for people who play more casually, it does help add some familiarity and shared knowledge you can apply to that 25% of the roster once you play of those champions. You could argue at this point it holds a similar place to other more "universal" tools, like auto-resets or dashes.

    • @JMScibra
      @JMScibra 2 роки тому +2

      I agree here, but as Vars said, on the flipside of familiarity, it makes some champions predictable, which is often exploitable. Imagine if Vayne dealt 5-8% max HP per hit instead of 14-18% every 3; it makes it so that the Vayne player needs to decide who to focus on in a teamfight, and that she can at best switch targets when there are no partially-proc'd targets. It also means that within that same teamfight, kiting her 3rd hit is a possible counterplay, forcing her to select a new target to reset your stacks.

    • @olemethler3902
      @olemethler3902 2 роки тому +1

      I think it might be comparable to something like skillshots and dashes as an ability template to build on.

    • @eadbert1935
      @eadbert1935 2 роки тому

      @@JMScibra to balance it, it would need more like 3-4% / hit instead of 14%-18% every 3, as the 3 hits force vayne to stay on the same target. if you're able to get out after 2 hits, she doesn't have a w.
      so if it were on every hit, it needs to be weaker. definetly not the way you did it by buffing it completely.
      and that is one of the issues: if you make silver bolts balanced around every hit, it's completely useless against low max hp targets, making her even more streamlined than she is now. but with the 3 hit passive she can be balanced around outplay-possibilities, making her slightly stronger without changing her core mechanics

  • @Teraclon
    @Teraclon 2 роки тому +76

    An arguement could be made that Vladimir's Q works with a 3-hit effect, since every third one deals bonus damage

    • @ultimatesonic47
      @ultimatesonic47 2 роки тому +20

      its actually every two if you have used the empowered you get one stack already, one normal one empowered

    • @eadbert1935
      @eadbert1935 2 роки тому +1

      @@ultimatesonic47 same with yi

    • @xolotltolox7626
      @xolotltolox7626 Рік тому

      @@eadbert1935 yi does double strike on every 4th attack tho(without rageblade)

  • @isislikesyou8605
    @isislikesyou8605 2 роки тому +66

    If its a 2 hit its going to be way quicker to pull off and if its 4 hit its going to be slow to pull off, but the problem is most of the characters with this designed abilities are those who can somehow last the entire fight

    • @werh227
      @werh227 2 роки тому +11

      Exactly! 2 hits too few, 4 hits too many!

    • @oftheseventhlayer
      @oftheseventhlayer 2 роки тому +7

      kai’sa with a five hit passive: 🧍🏻

    • @AGuy-0751
      @AGuy-0751 2 роки тому

      @@oftheseventhlayer it can be two or 3 with her w

    • @aprofessionalateverything7585
      @aprofessionalateverything7585 2 роки тому +23

      @@oftheseventhlayer yeah, but Kaisa applies 3 stacks with an evolved W, and her passive procs an onhit every time, ramping up in damage until 5 hits. So it's basically both a 1-hit and a 5-hit The final proc also does missing health damage, which means it's better if it happens later after the target has taken more damage.

    • @sucklemecockles541
      @sucklemecockles541 2 роки тому +16

      @@aprofessionalateverything7585 ally CC also adds stacks of it

  • @Leo-mx7ox
    @Leo-mx7ox 2 роки тому +41

    People don't take it into consideration a lot, but don't forget - Vayne W resets if you hit any other target, she has to deal third blow to the same target to deal damage.
    As much as i hate Vayne, i think it adds a lot of play and counterplay for Vayne, for a marksman - it adds a lot of skill expression since it becomes harder to focus more then one target.

    • @lowceyn2875
      @lowceyn2875 2 роки тому +14

      It doesn't care it's still passive procd on 3 hits which is true damage and max health % combined

    • @sunnydargonnel
      @sunnydargonnel 2 роки тому +1

      I hate botlane Vaynes cuz they always cashe people under enemy turret because I STACKED DA PASSIVEEEEE and bam they fucking die

    • @sirreginaldfishingtonxvii6149
      @sirreginaldfishingtonxvii6149 10 місяців тому

      Unless you're alone with her in top and your character has no movement options
      ):

  • @aljevermeer5214
    @aljevermeer5214 2 роки тому +23

    'Although for kaisai you need 5 attacks instead of 3'
    Braum: Am i a joke to you?

  • @Sacramento174
    @Sacramento174 2 роки тому +42

    There are sooo many "boomerang" abilities too (Ahri, Sivir, Akshan, Ekko, Gnar, Lux,etc.) i wonder why tho

    • @theimmortaleye7511
      @theimmortaleye7511 2 роки тому +3

      Riot likes "bommerang go whooosh"

    • @kamikazelemming1552
      @kamikazelemming1552 2 роки тому +28

      And for some reason, Gnar's boomerang is the only one that doesn't hurt enemies on the way back.

    • @bobbobbobbob3305
      @bobbobbobbob3305 2 роки тому +1

      Why swain always forgotten

    • @richardwaffle9977
      @richardwaffle9977 2 роки тому +4

      @@kamikazelemming1552 that's no entirely true it hurts then on the way back if it hasn't hut then before for some reason

    • @pablomaidana6780
      @pablomaidana6780 2 роки тому

      So for u 8 champs with "boomerang" abilities in a game with 159 champs its a lot....ok.

  • @pilarius3973
    @pilarius3973 2 роки тому +48

    It’s not a 3-hit passive but Kennen should be acknowledged for his w that has a 5-hit passive. Especially considering that Irelia and Kayle were included in the initial list

    • @nechocat1234
      @nechocat1234 2 роки тому +13

      doesn't kennen have 2 three/five hit passives? the aa and the stun

    • @cheezie9520
      @cheezie9520 2 роки тому +4

      kennen was mentioned in the video

    • @lolosh99
      @lolosh99 2 роки тому

      @@cheezie9520 not Lilia tho

    • @alexanderhamilton4258
      @alexanderhamilton4258 Рік тому

      @@nechocat1234 3 abilities and 5 autos passives.

  • @Zemilia22
    @Zemilia22 2 роки тому +72

    I feel like roping in active ability's and things that get value from a single hit should not be considered 3 hit passives. Calling something like chos spikes a 3 hit passive feels wrong because its not a passive ability and isn't reliant on landing all 3 hits to deal the damage . Ide also say any 3 hit effect that requires you to manually hit a button to enable empowered hits should not count(yone yasuo cho). Jax for example has a 3 hit passive but can proc it on his first auto against a target on the flip side yasuo and yone don't have 3 hit passives because they actively have to press the button multiple times implying its no longer a passive. Part of the reason why 3 hit passives in particular are so annoying is that most champions that get them in the modern champion design simply don't need them to feel like a complete character, champions like nocturne were built around having it for one reason or another in his case it was to help clear and sustain in the jungle, Someone like velkoz does have a 3 hit to incentivize continuous poke using his long range to its fullest.

    • @teleportingzone7937
      @teleportingzone7937 2 роки тому +4

      I would argue that using yone or yasuos q is no different than an auto attack, it activates in three hits, the only difference is it not being point and click. Whats right clicking on an opponent to aa is no different than using the q button

    • @jayson6360
      @jayson6360 2 роки тому +4

      @@teleportingzone7937 is a skillshot tho, really different than auoting someone 3 times like vayne

    • @zeening
      @zeening Рік тому

      vars is the king of just making shit up and connecting non existant things and doing stuff like that to pad his vids lol

  • @JKLpipe
    @JKLpipe 2 роки тому +23

    I don't care they can be repetitive, hit passives are always great and I love them

  • @dravendraven1471
    @dravendraven1471 2 роки тому +7

    Draven likes 3 hit passives the way Draven likes *zreal.
    Draven doesn't like *zreal.

  • @freljodiandao882
    @freljodiandao882 2 роки тому +20

    I just realized that quite a few of them either have jungler as a main role, or a secondary role, so their 3-Hit passive might be there to help them clear faster.
    (Diana, nocturne, Master Yi, Vi, Udyr, Jax, Mordekaiser, Sejuani and so on)
    Yes not all of them were designed as junglers in mind, but it I think it still makes sense.

  • @joaquinduverne6259
    @joaquinduverne6259 2 роки тому +3

    I would recognize the Yu-Gi.Oh Duel Links Kaiba Theme whenever I hear it. I approve

  • @benpaterson5387
    @benpaterson5387 2 роки тому +10

    “Marksmen want to shoot everything that move” Vayne doesn’t want to shoot just anything however. She wants it to be the same target 3 times in a row. Which is why she plays so differently to jhin who is happy to just shoot anyone regardless if it was 3 different people with each auto.

    • @claasmachens3858
      @claasmachens3858 2 роки тому +2

      which is funny because Jhin is another marksman that is often considered increadibly well designed BECAUSE of his (elevated) 3 hit passive...
      I really don't get where that claim by vars came from...

  • @Nightmare-fe9hr
    @Nightmare-fe9hr 2 роки тому +13

    the thing about overused mechanics is that they do serve a purpose. There are ~150 characters in league. If you are a casual player, it helps for you to have transferable skills (like playing around a 3 hit passive), so you don't have to memorize every character in the game. And with transferability comes synergy. Because skills should be transferable to make the game feel coherent, they should also be supported in things like items and runes (PTA and rageblade). However, this creates a redundancy issue. Because there is support for specifically achieving 3 auto attacks, they are incentivized to commit even further to the mechanic. This is why gwen is so bad. She has a cool, unique kit, but the things she wants to do simply aren't supported by the current items in the game. This is also why a lot of people think gwen is unfair and terribly designed, she is unique. Her w is a tool that players have never had to deal with before, so it comes off as uncounterable. If her w was a 3 hit passive, then everyone would know what to do: walk away from her before the 3rd hit.

    • @fulp9752
      @fulp9752 2 роки тому

      Putting Gwen's w on a 3 hit passive wouldn't do anything. If she's already in the range to land 3 autos then her zone wouldn't matter since they can attack her back inside

    • @Nightmare-fe9hr
      @Nightmare-fe9hr 2 роки тому

      @@fulp9752 that wasn't what I intended to say, the concept is to completely scrap her w and replace it with a 3 hit passive

    • @fulp9752
      @fulp9752 2 роки тому

      @@Nightmare-fe9hr ohhh my bad I understand now. At first I thought you meant it would be greyed out until she lands 3 hits

  • @livingkiss
    @livingkiss 2 роки тому +9

    You left out Sona who has a player-centered 3-hit passive with powerchord. "Powerchord: After using 3 abilities, her next attack deals additional damage and has additional effects." This mechanic could also be considered a variant of empowered abilities but it's definitely also a 3-hit. You also left out Nami under the activated 3-hit group with her E, Tidecaller's Blessing, that empowers an ally's next 3 attacks or abilities. Also, Braum's passive is a variant of 3-hit, requiring 4 hits form himself or allies to stun an enemy. I found it kinda funny he was not mentioned when you even games with him in the clips.
    I agree with your points about skill expression. I play a ton of Vel'Koz and his passive, while crucial to playing him well, is pretty boring. It incentivizes me to hit skillshots in quick succession, which I was going to do anyway, and incentivizes my opponent to dodge my skillshots, which they were going to do anyway.

    • @aowwii
      @aowwii 2 роки тому

      Did he include Tahm Kench too?

    • @sirdemon456
      @sirdemon456 2 роки тому

      he also left out Seraphine for player, with her 3 ability echo passive

    • @remen8021
      @remen8021 Рік тому

      also Senna' technically 2 hit but still

  • @fripontv5971
    @fripontv5971 2 роки тому +1

    Damn I love the Duel Kinks theme in the background, nice choice !

  • @sebastianlaplume461
    @sebastianlaplume461 2 роки тому

    At 5:45 you made Asol cry, he’s weeping in fact.

  • @EdwardIkorMusic
    @EdwardIkorMusic 2 роки тому

    As usual, you're just putting out amazing content on a bi-weekly basis ! Would love to see you talk about 'sweet spot abilities'.

  • @realhustl_
    @realhustl_ 2 роки тому +1

    Ayy my main ekko, and this video comes out when I'm eating too. Amazing

  • @theimmortaleye7511
    @theimmortaleye7511 2 роки тому +21

    Considering how janky , buggy and mosy useless neekos transformation is, ths w passive is basicly her real passive.

    • @luckas221a
      @luckas221a 2 роки тому +2

      especially when you take into account a lot of neeko mains go W level one just for that third auto to help farming first waves and landing extra damage on enemies

    • @theimmortaleye7511
      @theimmortaleye7511 2 роки тому

      @@luckas221a exactly,as support i use it to pelt adcs below 500 range

    • @icarusfz7869
      @icarusfz7869 2 роки тому +1

      Sadly thats the case now.
      Correct me if im wrong, since i only started in s11, but if skooch's video is anything to go off of, neeko used to be a jg who could also be played mid. Thats why her q has bonus blooms on monsters, and her Voice Lines for jg camps.
      Sadly, it seems she has been moved to mid mostly and jg has been phased out, so her passive is not all that useful, unless u are good at mind gaming, or you are support.

    • @theimmortaleye7511
      @theimmortaleye7511 2 роки тому +1

      @@icarusfz7869 u are mostly correct, she was made jng but riot made a terrible job with her clear, allthough one thing ill add, neeko is a flexpick overall like alot of unpopular champs
      Shes mostly played mid, but support is her second role, shes also used to counterpick some melee toplaners as she makes laning impossible for them.
      Her passive has a few uses but theire quite small,heres a few:
      U can run faster by turning to melee champs.
      It hides ur ult cast ( most important ) quick press passive before flash ult it helps a ton.
      Pretend to be jungle while roaming to confuse enemys if spotted by wards.
      Send obvios runners ( w clone yi looks kinda like ulting yi)

  • @TrapTrax
    @TrapTrax 2 роки тому +6

    Then there's Kindred with their three hits active

  • @SlyBentleyMurray2
    @SlyBentleyMurray2 2 роки тому

    Love the Duelists of the Roses music in the background.

  • @jvsaadijahn4298
    @jvsaadijahn4298 2 роки тому

    Ayyy respect the duel links soundtrack as background music!

  • @htdindra
    @htdindra 2 роки тому

    I didn't expect to hear the Duel Links battle theme, absolute banger.

  • @icigs3964
    @icigs3964 2 роки тому +4

    There are even more out of the champs: Guinsoo and Kranken slayer have also 3 hits passives, and a lot of runes: electrocute, conqueror, press the attack and more...

  • @Spoops
    @Spoops 2 роки тому +3

    Xin Zhao is a good example of a champion that had a three hit passive moved into another part of his kit (his old W would heal him every 3rd auto), but was changed into an active skill that gave him just a bit more skill expression and diversified builds.

    • @nechocat1234
      @nechocat1234 2 роки тому

      but isn't his old w part of his actual passive now?

    • @Spoops
      @Spoops 2 роки тому

      @@nechocat1234 Yes ^^ I did mention it was moved into another part of his kit.

  • @icigs3964
    @icigs3964 2 роки тому +1

    May you do a video about DoTs? Like those who have stacks, interactions and synergies like brand and darius those with just interactions like cassio or malzahar and those who just have it as an extra like teemo and lillia. I think it could be an interesting theme.

  • @RadicalJawzFunnyMoments
    @RadicalJawzFunnyMoments 2 роки тому +15

    As someone who’s been playing Pokémon unite. They do the interesting thing of making basic attacks 3 hit passives and it’s kinda cool since they feel fun and different to use. (Blissey is more of a Zeri auto attack thing but you get my point)

    • @Aang139
      @Aang139 2 роки тому +1

      I believe smite does this too, a number gods have a 3 hit swing

    • @RadicalJawzFunnyMoments
      @RadicalJawzFunnyMoments 2 роки тому +3

      @@Aang139 yeah it makes non auto attack champions or gods or Pokémon have something to do while their abilities are on cooldown

  • @dizzyheads
    @dizzyheads 2 роки тому

    I like how out of all the characters you said play the same way for smash for sword characters you pick the two unique ones

  • @lightdrgn20
    @lightdrgn20 2 роки тому

    I have been asking about this. Nice

  • @Chensodd
    @Chensodd 2 роки тому

    This is the only guys who can talk about passives for 14 mins and still make it interessting

  • @eadbert1935
    @eadbert1935 2 роки тому

    i think on darius the mechanic is one of the best implementations
    it's very often "can you burst him before he gets 5 stacks" or "can you burst him while has 5 stacks before he can get a hit off", and aside from the turbostack he can get from his ultimate, the alternative is "fight him to 4 stacks, then leave". this is especially interesting in 2v2 / 3v3 fights with a little bit of cc, as the enemies of the darius will often end up with 4 stacks each in winning scenarios, but in losing scenarios they had to tank it all
    it also provides some interesting stuff around "who tanks?", because tanks are usually the easy way to get 5 stacks as darius as tanks usually don't run away, so in skirmishes it's often better to actually let the dps/burst tank a few attacks so darius can't stack up fully.
    and there are so many layers on how to approach this correctly, it adds so much complexity to a theoretically very simple champ.
    oh, and even though tanks are usually the ideal target for a darius to get easier kills on the backline, this is the easiest way to get flamed onto oblivion xD

  • @italoatom
    @italoatom 2 роки тому

    I really liked the duel links ost in the background

  • @AccranLP
    @AccranLP 2 роки тому

    I remember Smite had (back in 2014 at least) many characters with "attack chains". Basically some would have different speed and damage for their auto attacks depending on which attack it was.
    So 1*speed/damage for the first two, then 0.75 for the third and 1.5 for the fourth.
    Per time each attack dealt the same amount of damage but it gave some skill to players to engage at the right time.

  • @delta_8870
    @delta_8870 2 роки тому +3

    When she was under development, senna's passive was a 3 hit but they made it 2 hit because it felt way to slow

  • @fanficologist6621
    @fanficologist6621 2 роки тому

    One think you might need to consider regarding caster champions who somehow have a 3-hit passive like TF or Neeko: the ability also enable a completely different playstyle for them - on-hit marksman.

  • @muha990
    @muha990 2 роки тому +1

    Great video as usual. Would you please do a League of Legends VS Wild Rift comparison and what changes can LOL benefit from WD and vice versa, if any?

  • @Number1YankeeFan
    @Number1YankeeFan 2 роки тому

    Those SSBU references really make me want to see SSBU videos on Vars II

    • @Vortex_Tornado
      @Vortex_Tornado Місяць тому

      I know this is an old comment but his Vars III channel has SSBU content

  • @depressedplaguedoctor6976
    @depressedplaguedoctor6976 2 роки тому +11

    Akshan has a 1 hit and 3 hit passive which is easy to weave in

  • @DavidBrocekArt
    @DavidBrocekArt 2 роки тому

    Another one of those topics that everyone thinks about, but no one talks about.
    Cool video as always.

  • @MapleNaros
    @MapleNaros 2 роки тому +1

    Shen has the best designed 3-hit passive. There is so much skill expression tied to Shen Q it's insane.

  • @wazabi41
    @wazabi41 2 роки тому

    Varus' 3 hit+ability is my favorite one. Easy to stack but you have to chose how you execute it and it relies on you using abilities as well as attacks. You also get to chose between more dmg with Q but you're slowed down or less dmg with E but more utility

  • @raidcr7404
    @raidcr7404 2 роки тому

    I like the Yu gi oh BAM music in the background 👌

  • @PedroAce
    @PedroAce 2 роки тому +4

    I think there is a very big difference between "3-hit passives" and "stacking passives" which is kind of overlooked here. I get the point in saying they act the same, but the difference should still be noted between Darius, Garen, and Vayne who are all listed in the same category. Just a thought.

    • @zeening
      @zeening Рік тому

      yeah this vid is a joke lol garen is a 3 hit champ gtfo here lmao

  • @saintpres4ge533
    @saintpres4ge533 2 роки тому

    I played Neeko for a while mid lane as a control support before the item reworks. Old Glacial with smite, GLP (Hose) and Twin shadows meant you were strong with base stats, control and jungle assistance (Before smite rework).
    Then swapped to On hit neeko since W gives a lot of AP on hit, Kraken slayer and BORK giving a ton of true and physical on hit. Combined with the CC from your Ult and E meant you could lock down and kill anyone.
    Three hit passive was only great as AP to clear minions or extra burst (Nashors tooth + Lichbane for more damage)

  • @VeneficusCubes
    @VeneficusCubes 2 роки тому

    Proposition on hit passive that require you to stack it on multiple targets to proc.
    Closest to that in game at the moment is actually rell, she gets bonus armor and mr from any target she attacks and the more she hits the more she gets, but in her case its purely passive.
    Hoe about a champion that stack marks on targets and the more targets they hit the stronger the ability becomes.
    In case of vayne, she is good only for single target dmg since attacking new target removes silver bolts from original one. Ergo she magnetize to duel top lane.
    This champion would prefer fighting 5v5 or with monions because more target would grant more power and oppositively you could counter them by being solo

  • @arroys8345
    @arroys8345 2 роки тому

    the 3 it passive rewards vayne for AAing the same champ and no target swapping which is an important part of every other adc's dynamic. And some of the abilities you listed don't require you to hit the same target (i.e shen Q can be applied on 3 different targets)
    besides shen's shield is his passive and can be activated with every ability at the end of it, not just Q.

  • @GreetedSaucer93
    @GreetedSaucer93 2 роки тому

    Can we get a video on knock-ups vs other CC effects? I always wonder why there is no way to mitigate its effects unlike stuns, slicences, or roots (aka tenacity)

  • @rabadondeathcap5359
    @rabadondeathcap5359 2 роки тому +1

    If only I earned a dollar everytime Vars brings up empowered abilities.

  • @magieenvtuber9783
    @magieenvtuber9783 2 роки тому

    When you make video on 3 hit passives and you get notiffication:
    "Riot August wants to know your location"

  • @choika5027
    @choika5027 2 роки тому

    i played neeko in aram with my friends not long ago when i realized how need buffs AA work xD

  • @xenotyphon
    @xenotyphon 2 роки тому

    What if that Vayne's 3-hit for pure damage is moved to her ult instead? Or partially moved? Like either switch it in and make her stealth a normal ability or gate its full potential behind her ult so she the enemy knows that if they can stop her during it, her effectiveness drops dramatically. Something like the passive require more hits or deal less damage/non-true damage outside ult would hamper potential and therefore, threat level unless she uses ult and can make her little easier to counter.

  • @borederlands5387
    @borederlands5387 2 роки тому

    Very surprised that you haven't mentioned items like kraken slayer

  • @Toshiro4619
    @Toshiro4619 2 роки тому

    Wow. Face check and overwolf got an upgrade.

  • @Volkior
    @Volkior 2 роки тому

    Nice Yu GI oh music in background 😂

  • @night-v5258
    @night-v5258 2 роки тому +1

    Jhin: Laughs at FOUR!

  • @flameofmage1099
    @flameofmage1099 2 роки тому +1

    Tahm Kench mains: I guess I don't exist

  • @heinefhjentel8544
    @heinefhjentel8544 2 роки тому

    gotta love the Yu-Gi-Oh duel links theme

  • @UmDevoto
    @UmDevoto 2 роки тому

    Yea duel links sound track is crazy indeed

  • @indigofenix00
    @indigofenix00 Рік тому

    Target-focused 3-hit passives make a lot of sense, balance-wise - the first hit grabs your attention, the second confirms that yes, you are being targeted, and the third hit is the actual attack. Basically it gives you a chance to choose whether to escape or take the hit, similar to telegraphed skillshots, while from the attacker's perspective they have to decide whether to focus on one target or go for easier, but less rewarding targets.
    But user-focused ones are less necessary - they feel more like a way of including critical hits or randomly-activated buffs in a way that is not TECHNICALLY random, but in a chaotic environment might as well be.

  • @Opness-kj2ft
    @Opness-kj2ft 2 роки тому

    Oh baby it's the duel links theme babyyyy

  • @saltylelele
    @saltylelele Рік тому

    Neeko’s 3-hit is just really simple. It helps alot during laning to help you clear early, allows some nice damage if your abilities are down during a fight and lastly, it allows the Onhit AD Top build

  • @starryknight7700
    @starryknight7700 2 роки тому

    I would like to say, if feels appropriot (god i cant spell) on curtain champions. Like neeko for instance, her essentually having no passive (especialy agains good players) and her W dealing no damage. Her super auto allows her to finish of otherwise safe targets, and having to wait for that to be up allows for a surpricing amount of depth to this one ability. And it insentivices her to weave autos in more than most spell casters. And is really fun to shread turrets with natiors tooth. What no im not bias, not like a like that champion or anything *sweats nerviously, knees become weak, arms grows heavy, really be hungering for mom spegetti*

  • @Spilk214
    @Spilk214 2 роки тому +1

    10:34 but she can only apply it to on target she gets rewarded for sticking to one target and not swapping.

  • @ConfettiBerg
    @ConfettiBerg 2 роки тому +1

    Would kleds W be considered this? It's not TECHNICALLY a passive but it does do more dmg on 4th strike

  • @aaronparry2636
    @aaronparry2636 2 роки тому +1

    What I would love to see is a 4-hit aa passive, since it would finally have full parity with rageblade and would make that item a more meaningful purchase for the champ.

    • @mponty6973
      @mponty6973 2 роки тому

      You are talking about Jhin, aren't you?

    • @aaronparry2636
      @aaronparry2636 2 роки тому

      @@mponty6973 Jhin is an ammo system, not a 4-hit passive. His 4th shot deals more, but this isn't an on-hit effect. TF technically has a 4-hit aa passive, but the effect is minimal and the rest of his kit is too awkward for it to be useful. I'm talking about an on-hit aa based that actually impacts the play style like Vayne or Sejuani (if she couldn't use allies to proc it)

  • @jairartis
    @jairartis 2 роки тому +2

    Hey Vars… remember that karma video you made?
    *neither do I*

  • @dimitrijestanisic3478
    @dimitrijestanisic3478 Рік тому +1

    How can i focus on 3 hit passives when i want to play Duel Links when i hear the music

  • @luckypeanut9943
    @luckypeanut9943 2 роки тому

    I always say old aatrox would love the season 11/12 items and runes, I miss him so much 😮‍💨

  • @TopoSalsero
    @TopoSalsero 2 роки тому

    Now I'm wondering if there is a empowered aa video.

  • @bencemartin6899
    @bencemartin6899 2 роки тому

    Is tahm kench not part of the 3 hit passive group?

  • @abdielrodriguez1386
    @abdielrodriguez1386 2 роки тому

    I think three hit passives are just something neet that can be sprinkled into a lot of designs, they’re usually not game breaking and are easily tuned if they are. It’s really just a way to add a little bit of nuance to characters without having to design a whole ability around. Like neekos is just sprinkled in with the dash and Stealth but it makes a noticeable difference if you learn to play around it

  • @joaopedrov9075
    @joaopedrov9075 2 роки тому

    as an aspiring game designer I can say that three hit passives have one purpose that is to control more easily a character power, we cannot forget that league original characters was made by guinsoo that was a former dota 1 character creator and dota has rpg machanics borrowd from warcraft 3 in dota a lot of heros have passives with percentage chance of activation this makes a lot of then extreme unpredictable one fight a sprit braker can get 5 procs of his E (that have a 17% chance to proc) in a row and demolish you and feel like the most stupid hero ever and 3 mins later get 15 hits with no proc and feel like a useless hero so the three hit passive can give extra power to abilities or hits but in a more controlable way like vars says in the video if jax enpowered atack in his ult was a percentage base you could not interact against him nor could jax set up a guaranteed damaging engage

  • @marshallneff1631
    @marshallneff1631 Рік тому

    Isnt kleds w an activated 3 hit passive too? Its just not activated by the player, but the game itself when its not on cd

  • @sakurajin_noa
    @sakurajin_noa 2 роки тому

    Doesn't sona sort of have an activated/player centered 3 hit passive. Sure it only affacts the next auto attack but it requires you to cast 3 spells before that, which you do anyways since that is her main focus. But unlike the others it has skill expression since the effect of that auto attack depends on the last ability. You can choose between a slow, damage reduction or extra damage, unlike the rest that only do more damage. In a sense it is a hybrid between an empowered ability and hit passives since it empowers you auto attack but you have different ways in which you can empower them. I think having a hit passive with conditional effects based on the lased used attacks are more interesting than just the same effect all of the time.

  • @YuVW
    @YuVW 2 роки тому +1

    I always though it would be cool for the neeko clone to be more interesting than just another clone+invis. My idea was that hitting the clone would cause it to "lash back" and damage the attacker. I can easily see this damage component replacing the 3-hit passive.

    • @saltylelele
      @saltylelele Рік тому

      I mean while nice, it would instantly give away that its a clone. To be fair, quite a few ppl (and definetly me as a Neeko main) can already see this, but with that it woulf be too obvious

  • @RyutaShinohara
    @RyutaShinohara 2 роки тому

    It'd be cool if Neeko's clone mimicked Neeko's next ability as an illusion that doesn't deal damage to trick enemies.

  • @lolmenx4
    @lolmenx4 2 роки тому

    whats the name of the song? it sounds so much like a smash song idk why

  • @shadygodd
    @shadygodd 2 роки тому

    end all be all ults video next ✅

  • @masenki4133
    @masenki4133 2 роки тому

    what's the music used at the end?

  • @groundbeef_
    @groundbeef_ 2 роки тому

    I agree, TF's E could literally be another champion's passive, because it doesn't really do anything proactive. Maybe they can change it some way without affecting his playstyle too much. I suggest changing its active so that his autos won't stop him from moving for a short time, just to give it uniqueness

    • @claasmachens3858
      @claasmachens3858 2 роки тому

      But that would actively give him less skill expression if I understand the sugestion...

  • @Tundeez
    @Tundeez 2 роки тому

    Hearing the yugioh master duel music really had me confused if I launched the game on my pc... Not complaining tho, such a banger lol

  • @chrs-wltrs
    @chrs-wltrs 2 роки тому +1

    4:35 Would Gwen's E not also count?

  • @leetf8522
    @leetf8522 2 роки тому

    11:10
    Say that one again, but slower.
    Ah, music to my ears.

  • @Angel-to2sn
    @Angel-to2sn 2 роки тому

    Is this the duel links music on the backgroung or i am crazy.

  • @Lainbo
    @Lainbo 2 роки тому

    Damn, a video dedicated to Riot August ? :O

  • @brandongingereski9264
    @brandongingereski9264 2 роки тому

    What about Varus... his blighted quiver w is a 3 stack passive and is triggered by a ability q or e

  • @BerniiGames
    @BerniiGames 2 роки тому

    Duel Links music eh? Now this is content.

  • @Jinkaza1882
    @Jinkaza1882 2 роки тому

    That is why I miss season 9 rage blade on diana. It use to be 2 auto and 2 cleaves but now it is 2 auto, cleave, auto, cleave. It and Nashors let you shred stuff with an attack speed build. And before you go, "Just build full ap and one shot things." That gets boring and when you make a Jax start to second guess flat-foot boxing with you...glorious.

  • @eadbert1935
    @eadbert1935 2 роки тому

    also, about reused stuff:
    many people also joke about dashes on e, skillshots on q etc.
    league has been around for years because it also focuses on somewhat being casual-friendly. and every returning mechanic makes it easy to adapt to a new champ.
    oh, this gnar w is like vayne w, but it also works with abilities. that's easy to adapt to.
    cait, jinx and jhin are very similar if you look at their abilities. they even all fit in some kind of multi-stack passive cait/jhin passive / jinx q. do they feel like copies? no

  • @swingtity9798
    @swingtity9798 4 місяці тому

    I quote some champ designer for all the detailed and thought through reasons
    "Because it feels good..when I made jhin, they forbid me so I made it 4"
    you put more thought into this than the designers..

  • @SilverPaladin25
    @SilverPaladin25 2 роки тому

    There's also a 3-Hit Passive rune in Press the Attack and an item in the form of Kraken Slayer, so technically every champion can get a 3-hit passive.

  • @Sambakza2005
    @Sambakza2005 2 роки тому

    I would change Vanye silver bolt passive to the level system. Like 1-6 Vanye needs to hit 5 bolts to champion, 6-12 4 bolts, and 13-18 3 bolts.

  • @dabrizzz9532
    @dabrizzz9532 2 роки тому +1

    Is that the yugioh duel links theme song

  • @kodorilaws6561
    @kodorilaws6561 2 роки тому

    ahh Sweet Duel Links ost