... and again... second time on the verge no mention about the GPU, that powers the 5K iMac... does intel pay not to mention, that the GPU is from AMD?
Even if they didn't say that it had an AMD GPU. You could see most of the specs in the video, GPU included. People who likes to know can find out fairly easily. Most people don't need too though.
for me the most interesting part is that "the iMac is content-aware enough to render 4K videos and hi-res photos pixel-to-pixel while still doubling everything else". I wonder how smart that content awareness thing is.
I bought one and the only thing I don't like about it, is that the 1080p video on UA-cam looks like it's in 360p, because of it's high resolution. With the 1440p video and 4k, it's perfect.
The reason web video looks blurry compared to if it were displayed 1:1 is a crude scaling method known as billinear. While the same is true for web video on windows, you can use a higher quality renderer with advanced scaling algorithms using the graphics cards shaders on mpc with madvr. It's frustrating how nvidia and amd do not have dedicated hardware scaling circuits, and therefore scaled images/videos look very blurry
Some people either love it or hate it, as per the usual with apple products. To those who prefer other options, can someone please tell me a good alternative desktop/tower PC as good as this one ? I always hear complaints on the price, but rarely does anyone mention what PC to get instead. Any ideas ? With specific focus on a computer for editing video and photos. Thanks
Let's just wait a few years for all OEMs to make 4K/5K computers & the prices to go down. This iMac is amazing but needs to be cheaper, even thinner (I know I ask something hard to do, but it will happen & I can't wait for Apple to make even thinner products) & even more powerful (with the rise of 4K content, we will need even more power for all those pixels). Oh, and last but not least, I hope we will get faster internet to deliver all that content
***** so was the imac the first 2k computer? UA-cam Channel Nec spectraview 27", top of the line screen, costs 1700 euro. the 5k screen is NOTHING compared to the nec. not good for printing or editing photos. maybe for webdesign.
Give us a 30" 5k iMac. I already have a 27" but the previous generation before the iMacs got thin and did away with the DVD drive. Is a pain for new iMac buyers as they'll need to buy an external DVD drive. Or bluray.
I just bought one and freaking out about the whole thing about watching lower end quality videos... all videos on Netflix and most of UA-cam I watch are 720p and 1080p
I love how they say retina, yet at 0:43 you can see the pixels. Retina is a measure of percieved ppi, anything can become retina if you look at it far enough away. My $150 monitor is retina 80 cm away, so saying stuff is retina is kinda pointless without saying how close its retina. My phone is retina closer than the mac book pro retina. Since this screen is 5720x2880 and 27" it has a ppi of 217.57, meaning its retina 16" (41 cm) away, so if you sit closer than that its not retina. According to Steve Jobs definition of retina, around 300 ppi at 12-13 inches is retina. Anyway, my point is: could someone please explain this or actually mention how far the retina distance is for the display in the review. Im done now.
But thank you ! After that horrible review of iPad air 2, The Verge is back on track. As always very informative and honest reviews. Couldn't you review that iPad air 2 as well?
can you please do a review on ultraflix running on the imac. It is the first to offer 4K streaming for the 5K retina display. It has all 4k content and has more 4k than netflix.
HATE ME I'm a student and we get 152 mb/s for £40 a month, between the four of us that's £10er each. So it's not just rich people who can afford fast internet
During the beginning of the video you made a comment like it's priced right,something like that. At the end of the video you said it's expensive. Uhhhhh....contradictory
I'm going to university next year to study Graphic Design and due to a lack of space in my new student accommodation and of course my constant use of Adobe products such as Photoshop I'm opting for the iMac for my 18th birthday. Would the 17" Retina 5K display base model be enough to run Photoshop smoothly and last throughout university and possibly further? I may also be tempted into some gaming on it but nothing too serious, just some of the games that aren't available to play on my Xbox such as Gmod. thanks :)
I'd say this was too early to put out for sale. Give it some time, and the components will be cheaper and more advanced, internet will be faster, and the computer will be cheaper itself.
So I don't know much about computers, but I do some amateur personal GoPro videos (may be getting a 4k point & shoot to add different dynamics shortly as well)(if that would effect your opinion at all) & I'm trying to decide which options I need for the 5k iMac I want to get. I recently started 4k editing & that's what has killed my laptop. Maybe a 5 min finished video every couple months is what I would be using this for mostly. Would the least expensive version of the 5k be enough to handle 4k editing for years to come from my GoPro & possibly another 4k video camera I may get? Or would I get a better value in the long run paying extra money up front for upgrades? Value to me in this purchase would be longevity of the computer, quickness in editing & less headaches with speed or crashing/freezing on my 4k video editing journey. Thank you in advance for your advice & response. Looking to buy my new computer shortly & just trying to figure out what should be able to handle editing my amateur 4k footage in my free time as the years go by. Thanks!
This machine is way under-powered cpu-wise for all the parallel running application this screen real estate invites. Apple should next focus on multiprocessor machines with upto 16-24 cores and 64GB RAM....now, THAT, would be something to sing about if they could bring it in under 5K USD.
They made iMac pro has 18 cores Xeon Intel and the 64 Vega Pro graphics AMD the 24 cores is way too gluttony and overpowered that would be overpriced more than $5000
Apple's points software seems interesting, although I am disappointed that they seemed to release it before it was ready. I *absolutely disagree* with your statement that games look great. The display is amazing, no doubt about that. But with a Radeon R9 M290X with 2GB, no way. That is about the equivalent to a GTX 660, witch I used for about two years. The card is good for most games, but it is a 1080p card. Once I started using a 1440p monitor, it suffered greatly. Do not expect to be playing Farcry 4 at 5k, that is just not going to happen. Expect mid settings at 1080p. You will see some blocky textures, you will get stuttering, and you will get screen tearing. This monitor was designed for editing, not gaming. I would expect ghosting and a high delay (probably around 8ms) When you say "faster than just about any other machine" you need to specify more. If you mean "faster than just about any other machine in the office" say it. My personal rig, I spent about $2000 (including mouse keyboard and 1440p monitor) It is years faster than this iMac. When you buy an iMac, you are not buying it to be a super powerhouse, don't pretend like it is. Verge, be careful. This is a iMac, and should be review as such.
They mentioned games because people will ask for them to mention games if they didn't. Remember, a lot of people around these parts are gamers (and as such, many hate Apple. Because reasons) so it makes sense to try some out. This GPU however will do a great job with things like Final Cut Pro X and other OpenCL/GL powered things. I'm impressed Premiere and After Effects worked as well as they did on it given Adobe seem to be pretty abysmal at multi-threaded performance. Check your thread usage when running their software and most of the time you're stuck at 4 even if you have 8... or many many more like in the Mac Pro or other Xeon based machines (which is why Premiere Pro had such shitty comparative performance on the Mac Pro when those came out).
TalesOfWar They need to mention games, and they did a poor job of it. I have no doubt that this iMac will work as advertised, and will do a amazing job at it. But it is not a gaming machine. I am a gamer, and gamers demand allot out of their systems. A gamer would not buy a iMac for gaming. Instead of saying that games look good on this machine, witch they will not, it needs to be said that they will run on this machine, and they wont look bad. But you are not going to be playing Farcry 4 at max settings. You are buying an iMac, not a gaming machine. If you want games to look amazing, buid a pc or buy a rebuilt one and put a graphics card in it. Now if you want a Mac, with a 5k display, works perfectly well for editing and media consumption, than here you go! An amazing deal for a 5k display.
If someone got this just for editing purposes, then it would be perfect for them...other than that its overkill, and could probably build the same machine for $1000 less
Remember that this is a 5k display and a computer, just for 2499$. On the other hand, there's a 5k monitor, I believe from dell, that costs 2500$. Think about it.
Yep. There's just not much to say bad about them, especially not with this product. For the price you pay it's a steal. You literally can't make your own machine and get an equivalently good display for less than this costs.
Stefan C. Even on price is doesn't fall short. It's cheaper than any competing alternatives given you'll need to get the display separate from the machine and the display alone will cost as much as this entire thing.
What do you want them to say to keep people like you happy? Do you want them to say apple products suck android and PC FTW?? I honestly never understand the logic you apple hater apply, do you hate apple because they have expensive products or just because they make excellent products with some to very little problems for reviewers to report on?
This display is probably the same Dell 5K panel from a month ago. It's a shame that Apple didn't just make a display-only model for Pro owners, or at least give this an input to use it as a monitor.
the problem is there is currently no standard that can handle so much bandwidth. the iMac uses probably uses some unique solution involving an overlocked tcon on the monitor end and multiple streams of DP 1.2 on the gpu end. we have to wait for DP1.3 for actual 5k monitors to start coming up.
rd1979 again the issue is bandwidth. take a good look at how the Dell managed its output. It uses 2 DP1.2 connections as well, a regular PC cannot run that display, Dell used a quadro in their demo a month ago just because of its ability to output 2 streams of DP1.2 out of a single card (geforce cards cannot). the issue lies is that even apple's iMac solution is "experimental" at best. their solution requires special modifications to be made on both the gpu end and the display end to make this solution work. Getting to through regular solutions would require special hardware or DP 1.3
I'm a bit confused by this, 4k display, gorgeous, lovely, fine, but they're already selling them for a tiny fraction of this cost and that's only going to get worse when the 32" 4k displays start rolling out at sub £1000 prices and pretty soon after, maybe half that. The screen tech is the same for TV's so that gets the economies of scale into a whole other place as far as cost goes. The old days of awesome screens costing £2000 are gone. This computer looks beautiful, especially the top of the line model but its price isn't in line with what I'm reading about current monitor hardware, It seems massively over priced.
1. It's not 4K, it's 5K. 2. The 4K displays you are most likely reading about are TN panels.. The one in this iMac is an IPS display. It had better colour reproduction than TN, and a higher refresh rate with a more efficient footprint. 3. This comes with a full computer strapped to the back of it. 4. Take a look at the 5K display that was recently announced by Dell... It's the same price as this, but without the full computer that goes with the IMac.
mixedstylesable 1 1k extra isn't really impressing me when 4k is already impressive enough for anyone doing pro work. 2. The TN panels that are already out right now are a big leap over the TN panels we know and hate in the 1080p space but the coming 32" screens will not be TN panels. By next year they will be IPS and super affordable for everyone. 3. The computer wasn't what I was talking about. The hugely expensive screen was what I only mentioned and a computer strapped to the back of a monitor isn't really anything I would desire in a computer for professional work. 4. I don't need to take a look at any 5k displays, I can see this one and see no benefit at all in paying so much for it. In fact it just creates even more bandwidth problems that is clearly a huge problem with all but the fastest setup you can really get your hands on. 5. Early next year this display is going to look absurdly expensive up against a bigger monitor with more than enough resolution for anyone. In fact at 32", 4k becomes readable without having to resort to janky scaling. You can read text on a 32" 4k display, you won't want to at 27" (unless its scaled up) This is what I gather from reviewers talking about the subject, I'm happy to believe them as it matches my own experience with less high res screens at much smaller sizes like 24" The Verge have never had the insight to discuss hardware at that kind of level, they're much more about how pretty something is, how thin it is. That's fine, that's what most people seem to want, but this is for pro work and pro's are about specs, performance and how much you can upgrade it. Me, I'm a wannabe pro without the money or career to allow it. But I still want a 32" 4k display for doing amateur 3d animation, my channel can show you that's what I'm into but equally, anyone really into video editing, photo work, heck really anyone that does anything above the ordinary is going to adore next years line up and really only a select tiny market of Apple faithful are going to want to continue paying for this.
Clay Mann You do realize that 5k is 67% more pixels than 4k right? 5k enables video editors to edit 4k natively with plenty of real estate to spare, it is worth it to some. That is the very reason people do buy it. I still fail to see the inferior specs your referring to...I managed to kit mine out on a student discount for $ 2,750 USD. That is with 256gb of flash, 4.0ghz (4.4ghz turbo boost 2.0) quad core intel i7 4790k, and an AMD radeon m295x (New advanced Tonga architecture). Not to mention the fact I got 24gb of RAM in it, simply by upgrading it myself for another $130. Inferior specs? I fail to see it? Might I add that included in the cost, this also comes with a bluetooth keyboard and mouse, dual mics, a 720p camera, decent internal speakers, and of course dat 5k display in a housing that is EXTREMELY thin. It also comes with the full iLife and iWork suite, offering free updates to the epic mac OS (Yosemite atm) and all the included apps. Expensive? yes. Overpriced? No way.
Zambo202 I think your argument is weak but I've written all I need to on this subject. You might be up for one of those awfully long and terribly sad hate filled threads but I've no interest in that. So please, take your attitude and your computer and go off and be happy together
Clay Mann Hate filled? Was there any hate in that previous comment? Your reference to these cheaper 8bit color displays is unfounded. Yes, cheap TN panels exist, but I still can't find any nice ips displays at a competitive price whilst factoring in the 67% more pixels and a substantial computer at that cost. Yes 4k is nice, but 5k is nicer, especially in a world of 4k. As of the displays yet to come out, I fail to see how the relevance of that argument is valid (they aren't on the market).
Not terribly expensive... No it really is horribly expensive. That is the main issue I have with Apple, iPhone $1,000 and iMac $4,000-$5,000 (in my country) that is ridiculous considering my similar spec'd pc costs
What I don't get, is, what is the point in getting a 2500$ PC for using Safari, Spotify and iPhoto? IMHO it is a waste of money and I'm definitely not an Apple-hater. (I owned 2 MacBooks)
Toby McMillan They say in that review that they're not going to review the GM version because they think the beta is a close enough representation of the final product.
You guys need a better pop filter or something, all I can hear is your lips smacking and other mouth noises.
raw
And here I thought I was the crazy one.
... and again... second time on the verge no mention about the GPU, that powers the 5K iMac... does intel pay not to mention, that the GPU is from AMD?
Even if they didn't say that it had an AMD GPU. You could see most of the specs in the video, GPU included. People who likes to know can find out fairly easily. Most people don't need too though.
these guys do consumer reviews. if you want to see a enthusiast one, wait for somebody like linus or hardwarecanucks to do one.
Why this video isn't 4k? :(
BTW, good review :)
***** Dude... This is an old video.
for me the most interesting part is that "the iMac is content-aware enough to render 4K videos and hi-res photos pixel-to-pixel while still doubling everything else".
I wonder how smart that content awareness thing is.
All I hear is this dude's lips slapping together. God how can the verge produce such an unprofessional video.
I was just thinking the same thing lol
can't unhear!
I bought one and the only thing I don't like about it, is that the 1080p video on UA-cam looks like it's in 360p, because of it's high resolution. With the 1440p video and 4k, it's perfect.
Absolutely stunning. But no upgrade for me. I still love my last gen iMac :)
I'm getting this soon! CAN'T WAIT URGHH!!!
Kris Estrada I've been waiting for almost a week. I can't wait! Glad I waited for the price drop. haha. It should be here Tuesday!
Chaaazz2008 Awesome!
I love how you said if all you're going to do is chrome and safari then buy away at the base model. Thats insane.
The reason web video looks blurry compared to if it were displayed 1:1 is a crude scaling method known as billinear. While the same is true for web video on windows, you can use a higher quality renderer with advanced scaling algorithms using the graphics cards shaders on mpc with madvr. It's frustrating how nvidia and amd do not have dedicated hardware scaling circuits, and therefore scaled images/videos look very blurry
I love everything Apple. I love this iMac, best thing ever.
Hope this Black Friday sale Apple will give a discount on the iMac
This thing is freaking unbelievable. Must buy for computer enthusiasts.
Some people either love it or hate it, as per the usual with apple products. To those who prefer other options, can someone please tell me a good alternative desktop/tower PC as good as this one ? I always hear complaints on the price, but rarely does anyone mention what PC to get instead. Any ideas ? With specific focus on a computer for editing video and photos. Thanks
Good work with the review guys! Apple keep pushing the new boundaries! amazing machine!
I'm looking forward to getting my iMac for Christmas!
Why does the iPhone 6s Plus cost almost as much as this.
Yeah... Because a £600 phone costs as much as a £2,000 PC
+breezy The 6S Plus costs $1799?
Really nice lighting and great camera work!
Probably going to wait till the next refresh, LOVE the display, just not a fan of radeon.
It looks beautiful. Great review, David!
Great Apple iMac review. I just got a regular iMac not the 5k iMac and I love it.
I own this one & truly like it
I don't need a retina iMac but I do want one. I'll just have to stick with my 24" iMac for a little longer.
Let's just wait a few years for all OEMs to make 4K/5K computers & the prices to go down. This iMac is amazing but needs to be cheaper, even thinner (I know I ask something hard to do, but it will happen & I can't wait for Apple to make even thinner products) & even more powerful (with the rise of 4K content, we will need even more power for all those pixels). Oh, and last but not least, I hope we will get faster internet to deliver all that content
***** As usual, Apple isn't the first to make a 4K/5K computer, but the first to got it right
UA-cam Channel it costs $3k tho..
UA-cam Channel If you buy the Dell monitor, you'll only have a screen, instead of a full computer if you buy the iMac
***** so was the imac the first 2k computer?
UA-cam Channel Nec spectraview 27", top of the line screen, costs 1700 euro. the 5k screen is NOTHING compared to the nec. not good for printing or editing photos. maybe for webdesign.
William Bouchardon Why is everyone comparing this iMac crap to a professional 4K monitor?
Give us a 30" 5k iMac. I already have a 27" but the previous generation before the iMacs got thin and did away with the DVD drive. Is a pain for new iMac buyers as they'll need to buy an external DVD drive. Or bluray.
I like this thing but it just needs a gtx970m or 980m if you upgrade it
5K screen resolution at that price? OK. A laptop GPU at that price? Hell no.
UA-cam Channel with a 2012 minipc hardware on top of that.
without 99% rgb and adobe rgb.
They should have stuck with nvidia for their mobile gpu solution. The 980m gets about %80 of the desktop version of the 980.
This isn't a hardcore gaming computer, it's used for hardcore rendering, video and photo editing, more professional uses.
corey williams Well, hello there obviously real Cory Williams
can you talk about the throttling issue we all been hearing about and the heat?
I just bought one and freaking out about the whole thing about watching lower end quality videos... all videos on Netflix and most of UA-cam I watch are 720p and 1080p
Hands down the best desktop that isn't custom made...
So are you Playing bioshock on MAC OS or through windows via Boot Camp
The Radeon M295x is a beast
epic! Very nice review again, The Verge
I love how they say retina, yet at 0:43 you can see the pixels. Retina is a measure of percieved ppi, anything can become retina if you look at it far enough away. My $150 monitor is retina 80 cm away, so saying stuff is retina is kinda pointless without saying how close its retina. My phone is retina closer than the mac book pro retina. Since this screen is 5720x2880 and 27" it has a ppi of 217.57, meaning its retina 16" (41 cm) away, so if you sit closer than that its not retina. According to Steve Jobs definition of retina, around 300 ppi at 12-13 inches is retina. Anyway, my point is: could someone please explain this or actually mention how far the retina distance is for the display in the review. Im done now.
But thank you ! After that horrible review of iPad air 2, The Verge is back on track. As always very informative and honest reviews. Couldn't you review that iPad air 2 as well?
can you please do a review on ultraflix running on the imac. It is the first to offer 4K streaming for the 5K retina display. It has all 4k content and has more 4k than netflix.
You have the base configuration price wrong
Gonna get one this year
Pretty use less considering that 80% of people don't even have the internet speed to even watch a 4k video
who buys mac ? not stupid people. rich people we have 50 gb / s internet speed
HATE ME I'm a student and we get 152 mb/s for £40 a month, between the four of us that's £10er each. So it's not just rich people who can afford fast internet
Jeffrey Morgan you have 2 599,00 € for buy a imac?
Jeffrey Morgan You have 152 Gigabits per second? Thats awesome, are you living in the NSA headquarter?
Hoerkelis gigabits* GB is gigabytes. There's a difference.
Can you guys do an overview of that desk and everything on it XD. That little clock and calculator are sweet
INSANE MACHINE.
Watching this on my iPad 4 Retina and seeing UA-cam constantly switch to 240p.
During the beginning of the video you made a comment like it's priced right,something like that. At the end of the video you said it's expensive. Uhhhhh....contradictory
Depends on what way.
I'm going to university next year to study Graphic Design and due to a lack of space in my new student accommodation and of course my constant use of Adobe products such as Photoshop I'm opting for the iMac for my 18th birthday. Would the 17" Retina 5K display base model be enough to run Photoshop smoothly and last throughout university and possibly further? I may also be tempted into some gaming on it but nothing too serious, just some of the games that aren't available to play on my Xbox such as Gmod. thanks :)
The Verge should make 4K vids
Has anyone figured out if the R9 M295X is a dual GPU chip like the standard R9 295X?
Are Retina Macbook Pros content aware and handle 2.5K and 4K videos the same way as the 5K iMac?
Yes. They use the same system in all their retina equipped Macs. It scales it to best suit the current resolution, or maps it 1:1 if possible.
TalesOfWar Thank you for the info!
Always wait for the 2nd gen, which will most likely be vastly superior in performance.
This is the high end model, lower end models won't be as smooth I think
1:22 who knew that they would have predicted the microsoft surface logo
I'd say this was too early to put out for sale. Give it some time, and the components will be cheaper and more advanced, internet will be faster, and the computer will be cheaper itself.
So it stutters or its fast? Would it tear through video editing or is pushing all those pixels hurting it?
My friend has one, it's smooth and fast
A burger isn't expensive. THIS is expensive.
anyone got a good guess for when the 21.5 version will be out??
my type of a review I have been searching for. Thanks
Can you plug in another 4k monitor for a 'dual monitor setup?'
Is an est. $3000 starting price really not that expensive?
I havent laughed so much in a long time. This so called "review" is like a commercial for the iMac :D :D :D Nice job guys :D
Only The Verge would say iMacs aren't expensive.
So I don't know much about computers, but I do some amateur personal GoPro videos (may be getting a 4k point & shoot to add different dynamics shortly as well)(if that would effect your opinion at all) & I'm trying to decide which options I need for the 5k iMac I want to get. I recently started 4k editing & that's what has killed my laptop. Maybe a 5 min finished video every couple months is what I would be using this for mostly. Would the least expensive version of the 5k be enough to handle 4k editing for years to come from my GoPro & possibly another 4k video camera I may get? Or would I get a better value in the long run paying extra money up front for upgrades? Value to me in this purchase would be longevity of the computer, quickness in editing & less headaches with speed or crashing/freezing on my 4k video editing journey. Thank you in advance for your advice & response. Looking to buy my new computer shortly & just trying to figure out what should be able to handle editing my amateur 4k footage in my free time as the years go by. Thanks!
Apple fan period.
I'll wait for it to go down, electronics price is about age, the more time the cheaper it becomes but also new things/better tend to come out. :(
This machine is way under-powered cpu-wise for all the parallel running application this screen real estate invites. Apple should next focus on multiprocessor machines with upto 16-24 cores and 64GB RAM....now, THAT, would be something to sing about
if they could bring it in under 5K USD.
They made iMac pro has 18 cores Xeon Intel and the 64 Vega Pro graphics AMD the 24 cores is way too gluttony and overpowered that would be overpriced more than $5000
So for video editing would this be the perfect computer for it?
Apple's points software seems interesting, although I am disappointed that they seemed to release it before it was ready.
I *absolutely disagree* with your statement that games look great. The display is amazing, no doubt about that. But with a Radeon R9 M290X with 2GB, no way. That is about the equivalent to a GTX 660, witch I used for about two years. The card is good for most games, but it is a 1080p card. Once I started using a 1440p monitor, it suffered greatly. Do not expect to be playing Farcry 4 at 5k, that is just not going to happen. Expect mid settings at 1080p. You will see some blocky textures, you will get stuttering, and you will get screen tearing. This monitor was designed for editing, not gaming. I would expect ghosting and a high delay (probably around 8ms)
When you say "faster than just about any other machine" you need to specify more. If you mean "faster than just about any other machine in the office" say it. My personal rig, I spent about $2000 (including mouse keyboard and 1440p monitor) It is years faster than this iMac. When you buy an iMac, you are not buying it to be a super powerhouse, don't pretend like it is.
Verge, be careful. This is a iMac, and should be review as such.
They mentioned games because people will ask for them to mention games if they didn't. Remember, a lot of people around these parts are gamers (and as such, many hate Apple. Because reasons) so it makes sense to try some out.
This GPU however will do a great job with things like Final Cut Pro X and other OpenCL/GL powered things. I'm impressed Premiere and After Effects worked as well as they did on it given Adobe seem to be pretty abysmal at multi-threaded performance. Check your thread usage when running their software and most of the time you're stuck at 4 even if you have 8... or many many more like in the Mac Pro or other Xeon based machines (which is why Premiere Pro had such shitty comparative performance on the Mac Pro when those came out).
TalesOfWar They need to mention games, and they did a poor job of it.
I have no doubt that this iMac will work as advertised, and will do a amazing job at it. But it is not a gaming machine.
I am a gamer, and gamers demand allot out of their systems. A gamer would not buy a iMac for gaming. Instead of saying that games look good on this machine, witch they will not, it needs to be said that they will run on this machine, and they wont look bad. But you are not going to be playing Farcry 4 at max settings.
You are buying an iMac, not a gaming machine. If you want games to look amazing, buid a pc or buy a rebuilt one and put a graphics card in it.
Now if you want a Mac, with a 5k display, works perfectly well for editing and media consumption, than here you go! An amazing deal for a 5k display.
How do I turn it on???
I am unboxing my first 🖥
If someone got this just for editing purposes, then it would be perfect for them...other than that its overkill, and could probably build the same machine for $1000 less
Remember that this is a 5k display and a computer, just for 2499$. On the other hand, there's a 5k monitor, I believe from dell, that costs 2500$. Think about it.
Yes even that!!! ;)
iMac
does Verge ever say something bad about Apple? seems like Apple is perfect to them
Yep. There's just not much to say bad about them, especially not with this product. For the price you pay it's a steal. You literally can't make your own machine and get an equivalently good display for less than this costs.
Stefan C. Even on price is doesn't fall short. It's cheaper than any competing alternatives given you'll need to get the display separate from the machine and the display alone will cost as much as this entire thing.
Did you even watch the whole review??
Does your mom ever say something bad about you?
What do you want them to say to keep people like you happy? Do you want them to say apple products suck android and PC FTW?? I honestly never understand the logic you apple hater apply, do you hate apple because they have expensive products or just because they make excellent products with some to very little problems for reviewers to report on?
This display is probably the same Dell 5K panel from a month ago. It's a shame that Apple didn't just make a display-only model for Pro owners, or at least give this an input to use it as a monitor.
the problem is there is currently no standard that can handle so much bandwidth. the iMac uses probably uses some unique solution involving an overlocked tcon on the monitor end and multiple streams of DP 1.2 on the gpu end.
we have to wait for DP1.3 for actual 5k monitors to start coming up.
Then how would Dell have the SAME screen out a month prior? I doubt that PCs can run that display, but a Mac Pro can't.
rd1979 again the issue is bandwidth. take a good look at how the Dell managed its output. It uses 2 DP1.2 connections as well, a regular PC cannot run that display, Dell used a quadro in their demo a month ago just because of its ability to output 2 streams of DP1.2 out of a single card (geforce cards cannot).
the issue lies is that even apple's iMac solution is "experimental" at best. their solution requires special modifications to be made on both the gpu end and the display end to make this solution work. Getting to through regular solutions would require special hardware or DP 1.3
The display is made by LG
Great review
Why are the bezels so thick?
Verge I have a question about the mac does it come with adobe creative cloud product I'm not sure like u when buy or order
Great review! Thank you!
sounds fantastic!
Viewing this on a retina iMac :)
That guy can't play Bioshock
how can you justify that when you only saw a few seconds of him playing?
he was using a normal mouse if you look closely
I mean he was walking in the door
0:44
Who cares?
lol thought you were playing a game with an apple mouse.
wtf. how did they fit an r9 295x in there????
no cdrom? really?
"If you just want Safari and Chrome, buy away that $2499 machine"???? Come on, just buy a chromebook for $499
Bioshock Infinite! Nice
I'm a bit confused by this, 4k display, gorgeous, lovely, fine, but they're already selling them for a tiny fraction of this cost and that's only going to get worse when the 32" 4k displays start rolling out at sub £1000 prices and pretty soon after, maybe half that. The screen tech is the same for TV's so that gets the economies of scale into a whole other place as far as cost goes. The old days of awesome screens costing £2000 are gone. This computer looks beautiful, especially the top of the line model but its price isn't in line with what I'm reading about current monitor hardware, It seems massively over priced.
1. It's not 4K, it's 5K.
2. The 4K displays you are most likely reading about are TN panels.. The one in this iMac is an IPS display. It had better colour reproduction than TN, and a higher refresh rate with a more efficient footprint.
3. This comes with a full computer strapped to the back of it.
4. Take a look at the 5K display that was recently announced by Dell... It's the same price as this, but without the full computer that goes with the IMac.
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1 1k extra isn't really impressing me when 4k is already impressive enough for anyone doing pro work.
2. The TN panels that are already out right now are a big leap over the TN panels we know and hate in the 1080p space but the coming 32" screens will not be TN panels. By next year they will be IPS and super affordable for everyone.
3. The computer wasn't what I was talking about. The hugely expensive screen was what I only mentioned and a computer strapped to the back of a monitor isn't really anything I would desire in a computer for professional work.
4. I don't need to take a look at any 5k displays, I can see this one and see no benefit at all in paying so much for it. In fact it just creates even more bandwidth problems that is clearly a huge problem with all but the fastest setup you can really get your hands on.
5. Early next year this display is going to look absurdly expensive up against a bigger monitor with more than enough resolution for anyone. In fact at 32", 4k becomes readable without having to resort to janky scaling. You can read text on a 32" 4k display, you won't want to at 27" (unless its scaled up) This is what I gather from reviewers talking about the subject, I'm happy to believe them as it matches my own experience with less high res screens at much smaller sizes like 24" The Verge have never had the insight to discuss hardware at that kind of level, they're much more about how pretty something is, how thin it is. That's fine, that's what most people seem to want, but this is for pro work and pro's are about specs, performance and how much you can upgrade it.
Me, I'm a wannabe pro without the money or career to allow it. But I still want a 32" 4k display for doing amateur 3d animation, my channel can show you that's what I'm into but equally, anyone really into video editing, photo work, heck really anyone that does anything above the ordinary is going to adore next years line up and really only a select tiny market of Apple faithful are going to want to continue paying for this.
Clay Mann You do realize that 5k is 67% more pixels than 4k right? 5k enables video editors to edit 4k natively with plenty of real estate to spare, it is worth it to some. That is the very reason people do buy it. I still fail to see the inferior specs your referring to...I managed to kit mine out on a student discount for $ 2,750 USD. That is with 256gb of flash, 4.0ghz (4.4ghz turbo boost 2.0) quad core intel i7 4790k, and an AMD radeon m295x (New advanced Tonga architecture). Not to mention the fact I got 24gb of RAM in it, simply by upgrading it myself for another $130. Inferior specs? I fail to see it? Might I add that included in the cost, this also comes with a bluetooth keyboard and mouse, dual mics, a 720p camera, decent internal speakers, and of course dat 5k display in a housing that is EXTREMELY thin. It also comes with the full iLife and iWork suite, offering free updates to the epic mac OS (Yosemite atm) and all the included apps. Expensive? yes. Overpriced? No way.
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I think your argument is weak but I've written all I need to on this subject. You might be up for one of those awfully long and terribly sad hate filled threads but I've no interest in that. So please, take your attitude and your computer and go off and be happy together
Clay Mann Hate filled? Was there any hate in that previous comment? Your reference to these cheaper 8bit color displays is unfounded. Yes, cheap TN panels exist, but I still can't find any nice ips displays at a competitive price whilst factoring in the 67% more pixels and a substantial computer at that cost. Yes 4k is nice, but 5k is nicer, especially in a world of 4k. As of the displays yet to come out, I fail to see how the relevance of that argument is valid (they aren't on the market).
I enjoy the Verge's coverage and reviews, but my god you need to re-cut a version of this that isn't majority saliva sounds!
Not terribly expensive... No it really is horribly expensive. That is the main issue I have with Apple, iPhone $1,000 and iMac $4,000-$5,000 (in my country) that is ridiculous considering my similar spec'd pc costs
Apple will never catch up with PC Gaming
What I don't get, is, what is the point in getting a 2500$ PC for using Safari, Spotify and iPhoto?
IMHO it is a waste of money and I'm definitely not an Apple-hater. (I owned 2 MacBooks)
I don't see why people say this thing is extremely expensive. I mean getting a 27 inch 5k display alone costs nearly the same price.
i can hear the spit in his mouth as he smacks while he speaks
yeah, at that price, they won't sell too many of these
@rool have you ever read one of their reviews or watched their podcasts?
Dat intro!!
0:47 You're supposed to open the door, then walk through....
I'm watching this video on my MacBook Air with 1440 x 900. Lol.
My mom said if she goes back to college she'll get me one
Will you guys be reviewing Yosemite??
Dude they reviewed it like a month ago
The Urban Lurker no that was the beta so it wouldn't of been the final one, I was just wondering if they would do a proper review
Toby McMillan They say in that review that they're not going to review the GM version because they think the beta is a close enough representation of the final product.
The Urban Lurker oh right ok, thanks!
Apparently Apple is not ready for 5K screens :(
Is the verge owned by apple? The positive vocabulary they use in their apple 'reviews' is unbelievable. Very disapointing
I felt like I was watching a cellphone review the whole time... Place let him stick to gadgets
3:16 Lundqvist!