Brexit deal 'could spark loyalist disorder' in Northern Ireland, says police chief - BBC Newsnight
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- Опубліковано 6 вер 2024
- A Brexit deal that threatens the union between Great Britain and Northern Ireland could lead to civil disorder by loyalists, the head of the Police Service of Northern Ireland has said.
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Simon Byrne spoke to BBC Newsnight after Prime Minister Boris Johnson secured an agreement with the EU.
The proposed plan would see new checks on goods coming in to Northern Ireland from the rest of the UK.
The consequences were partly about identity and practicalities, he said.
Some unionists have concerns that the proposed Brexit plan, which essentially draws a new customs border in the Irish Sea, results in NI being treated differently than the UK's other regions
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NI was never meant to be a permanent state.
London gives it very very little priority, they know its destiny. They know its cost.
We will never back done to to isrsh demands we are birtish and will fight for that right
Isnt it funny how people mention bloody Sunday they say it was british shooting innocent people?? The IRA had weapons and ur telling me they never use them do one idiot
@@theunexceptionalgamer8393 Yes yee will,its happening everyday
@@theunexceptionalgamer8393 which Bloody Sunday? Hard to defend the side that has made it so we must clarify
The Unexceptional Gamer as an English man I can categorically confirm that you are Irish to the average man in the UK. Northern or southern Paddy all the same to most of us in GB. Your country is a joke and should never have been created. It is finally making its way back to where it belongs as the sectarian head count reduced from the artificial partition 100 years ago.
Ironic that the UK's occupation of Ireland should be the very thing standing in the way of their emancipation from Europe. You couldn't make it up.
Can we all stop calling Britain the mainland. You are a small island too. The mainland is the European Continent.
@joe caterman exactly. So you're not, in any way, a 'mainland'
@@diggyd I think they mean mainland UK, I agree with you it's a silly term.
Orangemen are Irishmen who, in order to be thought of as Englishmen, march dressed as Scotsmen in honour of a Dutchman.
Probably
@Paisley was a pederast. The nationalists sided with the Nazis
I am for non violent protest and support the Catholic Irish in Northern Ireland. Can there not be a peaceful path to Irish sovereignty ? I don’t believe the Good Friday agreement will last forever.
flegs
Irish Fleg
I really have no idea who is supposed to benefit from brexit. England's economy will take a big hit, eu will take an economic hit too but to a lesser extent. The English want to leave the eu, but they want the eu trade deals, no tariffs, free movement of services, products and they want to travel visa free to canary Islands or to France. Eu is mostly about these things, i have no idea why would they want to leave but also keep these things which are basically what the European union is. They want all the benefits, but they don't want to contribute financially, they want to travel to other eu countries but don't want other eu nationals to come to England, they want all the preferential tariffs and free trade, but they don't want to be in the eu single market so they can get all the benefits but if they feel like it they also want other rules and deals than everybody else. This leaving the eu thing is totally not actually about the factual benefits of leaving the eu, they are not willing to lose all the benefits and that's why they are extending the deadline. It's about "patriotism" and what the uk should stand for, not about trade or politics. People still want to feel as if England is this huge empire, they get everything they want and everybody is subservient to them. This is all about the emotions, because nobody actually knows what the eu does, some people think the eu is this evil organization which wants to destroy Europe and make every member lose its sovereignty. Eu is about having a common European trade policy, so we actually can compete with huge players like the us or China, none of our countries can compete by itself in the XXI century. Eu is about free trade and free movement, unifying countries with shared values. Also everyone in Ireland will be harmed by brexit, Northern Ireland and Ireland will not be as close as they are as of now, and when the border between the eu and the non eu country will be actually moved to the sea it will create a border between the uk countries. So both unionists and separatists will be unhappy, the situation will be worse for everybody. Kinda sad that people voted for this and during the height of the refugee crisis made such a drastic decision with only 52% voting to leave.
The whole northern ireland thing is jaded my whole life and I'm 50 that place is on the news for all the wrong reasons all the time I'm sick of the clinging to Westminster that mindset is well outdated but there are 600.000 people who do .....it must be hell to live there
Oh there is a surprise the Loyalists say NO
Loyalists, loyal to who. If those who live in the North wish to remain British, they should respect Britain and the democratic vote of the British people, all of the British people. The so called Irish Sea border is logical. We can’t have a land border because of the Good Friday agreement, apart from that we are basically the same people, except a few nuts on both sides.
If there is no border at all, what’s to stop EU goods coming into the UK without paying the due tariff, thereby enriching the EU to the cost of Britain.
Talking about complex things you don’t understand in a simplistic way, that’s at the very hart of this Brexit nonsense.
Well done you’re a stereotype.
Let me guess: you're English and you voted for Brexit right?...
The English voted for Brexit not knowing or caring about NI.
I fail to understand your point to be honest...
The only reason there are so called British, Loyalists people in the north eastern part of the island of Ireland is because they were planted there in an undemocratic way. The native Irish had no choice but to accept this mass displacement of their people. If Germany invaded Britain during the second world war and planted German people in Yorkshire, the people of Yorkshire would identify as being German! I'm sure the people of England would be pissed off about that!! 🇩🇪🇩🇪🇩🇪🇩🇪🇩🇪
Border is in the Irish Sea. Ask Boris. Ask the DUP members who agreed a separate reality than Britain.
Loyalists are a strange people- they are determined to maintain their Britishness but equally determined not to live in Britain! Everybody else has to dance to their tune, all the time. They are loyal to the queen but are seemingly aware that few on the mainland care about their overt displays of patriotism, and thus fear being sold out by the mainland British at any moment.
The GFA guarantees that NI will remain in the UK as long as the majority wants it, it introduced the consent principle and loyalist gunmen were released under that agreement, and are funded to go about their racketeering, drug dealing and other "community activities". Their paramilitary flags fly all year round, and they get to violate the law as much as they want round July to have their massive bonfires, parades and drink-fuelled displays.
They got a bribe to prop up the May administration and spoofed 500 million sterling on RHI payments that went mostly to Unionists.
They are endlessly indulged; if any of these things had been done by nationalists the calls to the Nolan Show would be lighting up all year long.
But I guess they have been endlessly indulged historically, so anything that brings about equality seems like a loss to them.
You know the DUP is in a power sharing government right now right? They have a say because they are the government in Westminster.
It still amazes me that as part of the good Friday agreement we released hundreds of violent criminals, murders, terrorists, bombers into the wild after serving next to no time in prison. What a deal
Bob Loblaw What powersharing arrangement? Stormont hasn’t sat in nearly three years at this point and the DUP campaigned against the GFA, and were in no hurry to resurrect it while the Confidence and Supply Agreement held. The DUP were externally supporting the Tories in government at Westminster but I wouldn’t categorize that as “power sharing”, especially now given that the DUP seems to have been thrown under the bus.
Personally, I’ve never agreed with the prisoner releases, but you can’t really suggest that CNRs have benefited it this exclusively, loyalist paramilitaries were also released under the GFA.
IMO everybody had to swallow some bitter pills under GFA but it has maintained a relative stability in a very unstable place.
The DUP have made an absolutely collossal mistake. They forced Westminster (and, by extension the rest of UK) to answer the question: When it comes down to brass tacks, do you really care whether NI is part of UK or not? Of course the answer they got is :"No, we support you in principle but in practice we don't care, please don't get violent. We'll just let outselves out by the backdoor."
This is devastating to Unionists, because although the answer is obvious in retrospect, up until now the Conservatives held the union as a core principle. They could point to Thatcher's rejection of the New Ireland Forum ("Out...out...out"). Now the fig leaf is gone and cannot be put back. They may care about the union of Scotland and England, but with NI? no, not so much. Unionists will have to resolve this contradiction. The country and crown they are loyal to, has no loyalty to them.
We have also seen a curious inversion of the usual logic, Labour and Lib Dem MPs suddenly crowing that "NI has been thrown under the bus". That's laughable for two reasons, firstly, majority of NI population are happy enough with this deal. Secondly, Corbyn et al are on record as being in favour of a United Ireland, so it's hypocrisy.
This fudge may square the Brexit circle but the way it came about (thanks DUP!) has greviously wounded Unionist identity. A people whose identity is under threat often react with violence.
It goes full circle. Why would the Republic want to unite when Northern Ireland could be on the brink of civil war. In the end it won't happen and the EU will be forced to impose a hard border
@@bobloblaw3191 If the EU puts up a customs border, I doubt nationalists will attack _Irish_ border posts - in other words: it won't be the actions of the Irish that will spark their ire.
@@bierrollerful of course it will. The Irish don't want a border even if the EU imposes one. It won't be the first time Southern Ireland went into civil war
@Paisley was a pederast. Id agree with you there. More like for their backwards thinking, living in the far distant past, bigotry and blaming Sinn Féin for everything they do wrong. 🤣
If it wasn't for the flags and chants, few people would be able to tell our Northern Brothers apart.
Whatever their views, one group of fat middleaged skinheads or young men in tatty sportswear chucking bricks and starting fires, and screaming threats of violence and murder, are much like the other.
If you don't like something - go and Vote for whoever best reflects your views, and then leave them to democratically and peacefully represent you.
But the faces of the Loyalists - and Republicans, equally - who we see rioting just seem to LOVE the violence and mayhem, as well as having a free reign to attack the authorities, while the other 99+% of Loyalists (and Republicans) stay home, refusing to condone or support the violence.
It's all just a game up there, frankly. The politics have nothing to do with it - both sides just want to beat the other, often literally, mostly metaphorically. For shame...
There's nothing more unbritish than a loyalist.
@JuanJulio Jamirez he means that "loyalist" is a misnomer, for a people whose history has been characterized by sedition against British law.
Yer days are finished lads,yee had yer run of it,numbers are catching up with yee now.😂
You gotta give it to Prime Minister Barney Rubble, it's quite a talent to be able to upset and anger both loyalists and unionists at the same time...
Loyalists and unionists are on the same side.
They must feel like being dumped by their girlfriend. Take it on the chin though. Don't start crying like a baby.
Very well said
NI unionists were always just considered as useful idiots by London.
Dup like to think they're part of the gang. London just see them as their house nigras.
Billy go fetch me my shoes.
- oh yessum massa DePfeffel .
What you cry when you get dumped ahahahaha!
A United Ireland is coming and If you have to put it 2 a vote to all UK voters about a United Ireland most would be happy to see it happen. Gone are the days that the settlers and previous and sitting UK governments do as they plz the truth will come out in the end
They still haven't gotten the message: the object of their loyalism doesn't want it.
Free British occupied Northern Ireland.
Free Indian-occupied Kashmir.
@@wodenravens Hahaha!
No brexit will solve this problem! i just hope for peace to remain in Northern Ireland.
Nah im from Dublin a no deal brexit is fine by me ,Independent Scotland and a United Ireland 🇮🇪👌
@British warrior The people of NI or Scotland didn’t vote for it.
@British warrior So 2/4 countries vote majority to remain yet they don’t get what they voted for, and once again have to listen to what England wants to do.
And then you wonder why NI and Scotland don’t want to be part of the union anymore.
@British warrior There’s this place called Westminster yeah? It’s where they make decisions regarding the UK, I’m sure you’ve heard of it. It happens to be located in England.
And the same way you democratically voted to leave the EU. NI can democratically vote to leave the UK, without interference from parliament.
@British warrior Well that’s what you get when you try to get 4 counties to unanimously agree on something, it’s not practical.
If you’re sick of the complaining then you’ll have no problem other countries leaving, then you can make decisions that affect yourselves and no one else for a change.
Tá saoirse na hEireann inár radharc :)
Eire abu
Ok dude
Jared Garbo maith thu
@@garretmurray5438 sorry to hear about your recent stroke
@@garretmurray5438 Sniff my chem trails
@@Lite_Fare Pog mo thoin. That's the closest you're getting to my entrails
It’d be interesting to know how many of them voted for it. They should gauge their anger towards the DUP - who after all, backed (and still back) Brexit and got them into this debacle.
Bye bye losers concent
Listening to the Loyalist argument for remaining as part of the U.K. is very much a kin to Nazi occupiers of Poland wanting to be allowed to "remain" in charge regardless of how they treated and killed people. And given the fact that more "foreigners" today have been allowed to resettle in the U.K. Surely the answer is to allow Unionists to move back to the Country they supposedly love(Britain), and let the Irish get on with life in Northern Ireland. 90% of schools in Northern Ireland are still segregated, that's MORE than even South Africa!!!!!
Maybe it’s time for a United Ireland
Think Boris forgets the people of Northern Ireland. Unite Ireland and see the fires grow in disorder...
What a mess.
Peter Taylor tells the truth very honest journalist.
These people have a lot to think about. “British” as an identity is ending. When Scotland secedes, and I believe they will, it will leave England and Wales. The Union Jack was almost certainly have to be retired. Who will then refer to themselves as British? The English will call themselves English and the Welsh will say they are Welsh. What needs to happen is the Unionists need a province in the north of Ireland for themselves, most likely counties Antrim and Down. Then they can be a semi autonomous province within a united ireland. They can call it Ulster.
They can have Antrim, but nothing more and it might be a bit of a tight squeeze. Another alternative is for them to go back to Scotland and England, not sure how they will be perceived in their motherland however probably not good.
@An honest chap British is a term used for people on the island of Britain.
No better reporter on Northern Ireland than Peter Taylor. Years of outstanding reporting.
United ireland. Viva la revolution
You said that in a language from a country notorious for surrender you are now incredibly likely to fail
@@spartanx9293 The french have won more battles than they lost through history?
@@stevenmcalister826 hey if everyone is going to make incessant oil jokes about my country I can make jokes of about Frances surrender
@@spartanx9293 You can’t rise above it?
@@stevenmcalister826 hey if the french can't rise above jokes made about their surrender and the second world war why should I ignore incessant oil jokes
26+6=1.
2 + 1 = 21
Loyalist would be better off trying to convince the impending Nationalist majority that they would be better off within the UK rather than in a united Ireland. There is a complete lack of political nous among them and the DUP who use loyalists when needed.
Exactly. Unite the 32 counties of Northern Ireland. Drop the EU
@@bobloblaw3191 Absolutely not. Any Irish unity will involve the unity of the people first, and the territory second. The time is not right for that yet.
Secondly, any united Ireland will remain in the EU where the judicious pooling of sovereignty will amplify sovereignty for the betterment of the people of all of Ireland.
It will also allow Ireland eat the UKs lunch in areas such as university places for international students and foreign direct investment, for example.
@@taintabird23 the voice of sanity.
The Orange Boyos should be very careful, if there was a referendum on the mainland about reunification, I think it would be a thumping yes,
@JuanJulio Jamirez There's clearly no love for Northern Ireland in Britain. As just one example, I was at the Brexit site at the Palace of Westminster the other day, and there were a huge amount of England, Scotland and Wales flags fluttering in the wind - and not a single flag for Northern Ireland. Not even one. They don't care about the North over there - they Don't, and not a single British person I've ever spoken to over in England has ever expressed any interest in or affection for Northern Ireland, over there. If you asked the rest of Britain whether they'd prefer to keep the North or give it to Ireland for reunification, there'd be a landslide vote to divest Britain of the North. To say otherwise would be silly.
@@vercoda9997 No one in England even gives a shit about Wales or Scotland either, that doesn't mean we wish the union to end though.
@@SGC90-t5y less than 3% of people in Northern Ireland consider themselves British? This was a ripe little nugget you pulled out of your hole
@@SGC90-t5y interesting that in the 2011 census 1.4million respondents said they were either 'British' or 'Northern Irish' with just 500k saying they were Irish. It shows you that religion was the wrong way to determine nationality which is what's pushing the whole 'nationalist majority' nonsense.
In a way I welcome a border poll right now because it will cement the will of the people to remain with the UK
@@vercoda9997 pure shite I have seen plenty of Northern Ireland flegs at Westminster.
Most of the people I know in Britain would prefer it for NI just left the UK and joined the republic. None of us want to be on your border dealing with this shite again... you’re Irish. Join the republic and stay in the EU
Shaun Burns exactly, I want Brexit only for the island of Britain. I couldn’t care less about Northern Ireland, it’s just not something that affects me. I travel to Scotland and Wales by truck, but not to Northern Ireland.
When you realise you are just a vassal EU province who don't care about your national identity you will be clamouring to join the UK. And we'll welcome you into the United 32 counties of Northern Ireland
I love the way they've made Brexit all about Northern Ireland, what about the civil unrest on the mainland? Because it will be a lot bigger.
More than 3000 deaths I doubt it. Get a grip.
You do realise that you live on an island too. The European continent is the mainland.
Elderly people and barking dogs, you’re full of shit. I wouldn’t like to be in any of the hard brexiteers shoes when this ultimately causes the reunification of Ireland because they will be targeted.
Haven't seen the Welsh starting giant bonfires in Cardiff and attacking ambulance drivers.
There will be no trouble, first of all the loyalist this time will not have the backing of the British state so getting weapons to sustain an armed campaign will be impossible, but most importantly most people regardless of religion or nationality now just want to live in peace. A reunited Ireland has always been enivitable but it was the DUP and brexit who pushed it home.
The Americans finally decided terrorism is bad so there will be no arms flowing from the US for the nationalists either. Guess we'll all have to play twister to decide who wins
@@bobloblaw3191
Yea a game of twister will sort the Irish question. 😂
More Project Fear from the BBC Who would have thought it!!
It's amazing how your religion of Brexit makes you even want to destroy your own country...
They were right
Why can’t Caths and Prots get along and co-exist? It’s just like rivalries between Sunni and Shia Muslims and Orthodox and Hasidic Jews.
"Any fool can see the writing's on the wall/But they just don't believe that it's happening" - Paul Brady.
I agree, plenty of fools see it like that
@@bobloblaw3191 Next we take Antrim (we already run Belfast).
@@Lite_Fare More boring platitudes
@@bobloblaw3191 Belfast to get Irish language street signs (#TaigsWinAgain):
www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/irish-language-signs-to-be-placed-on-six-belfast-streets-38756835.html
@@bobloblaw3191 North Belfast: Historic night as SF topples DUP stalwart Dodds www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/politics/general-election-2019/north-belfast-historic-night-as-john-finucane-topples-dup-stalwart-nigel-dodds-38781462.html
Note they don't speak of the people of Northern Ireland anymore. Its the loyalists this the unionists that etc. This is the brexit they voted for now own it or are they too thick to realise that a border has to go somewhere. Seeing as it's such a problem for them why don't we put it to the people. A vote on where the border goes. Problem solved.
DO THE IRISH AS A PEOPLE REALISE HOW MUCH THE ENGLISH WOULD LOVE FOR N. IRELAND TO JOIN THE REPUBLIC OF IRELAND . A NUMBER OF""LOYALIST""!!! DAMNED TROUBLE MAKERS AND THEIR EQUIVALENT OF CATHOLIC TROUBLE MAKERS . JUST SEEM CONTENDED WHEN A NEW REASON TO FIGHT COMES UP. IRELAND IS A SUPERB COUNTRY. WHY CANT YOU JOIN THE TWO PARTS. SO WE ALL HAVE PEACE. THEN YOU ALL STAY IN THE E.U.
Spoken without a clue at all. Congratulations
Juan Julio etc, not really sure what you mean by “people like me” it’s very simple,history is not on the side of the small minded,flag wavers, drum bangers,flute players,kerb stone painters, does not an Englishman make. One day Eire will be united ,and sane people will heave a sigh of relief.
When was Ireland last United?
@UCdw9hZ9S65zrRjfecy7y12Q the Irish never ruled a United Ireland
@bucketsandshims GFA will be compromised by the EU. UK already stated they will not impose any hard border. Anyway who gives a fook what the Americans think? They funded the deaths in this shithole for too long.
@@bobloblaw3191 The Irish don't even rule Ireland now! they signed it over to Europe ha! go figure. defended sovereignty for 500 years then signed it over in a heartbeat, it's only the start!
Billy,you are history now,so you are….
Let us reunite Ireland. Then we can start to sort things out
@Worzal Gummidge what do you mean?
They are democrats they will take unity well 😂😂😂😂😁😁😂😁😁😁😁😁😁😂😂😁💗😂😂😂
Just give back Northern Ireland to Republic and Great Britain can focus 100% on Brexit.
They'll need to give us a few billion with it to clean up their mess. 20billion at least,
Also giving back NI won't fix brexit, Scotland want nothing to do with it.
Westminster couldn't care any less about Northern Ireland FFS. You only need to listen to the MP'S in Westminster and even the PM that northern Ireland is way way down on the list.
Give the UVF more money
Yes they need to get new BMW cars
How does the buttery English accent and charming Irish accent turn into NI accent
Don't you kinda find the Ulster Irish accent sexy... in a kinky kind of way
PRINCE ANDREW???
Dead babies in septic tanks
@@itsmesoitis4059 off topic also gross
@@itsmesoitis4059 Babies murdered by the UVF. Remember the Quinn family?
@@williamgoldsmith3796 omagh ?
It could rain spaghetti .
And they all seem to be called “Billy” FFS, (yes I know why)
Bob loblaw, you have misread my comments, I used the word United, not reunited.
seems best if all of UK joins the USA after Brexit?
@@macdonaldmaurice Don't think the Yankys want you limey folk, there's more of a chance of Ireland or Mars joining the u.s as the 51st state. Then again Trump would love a place to build his sweatshops and dump toxic waste.
@@macdonaldmaurice Trump will just sell you his chlorinated chicken and poorly made sneakers from china.
Ask the Republicans if they want NI. They can look to German reunification to the problems and cost associated.
Except that Northern Ireland has never been under communism and has a modern economy and infrastructure that will actually benefit the republic... so no, it will not be like German reunification in an economic sense... however, there will be big social differences between north and south that will not go away any time soon.... there are also big social differences still between former East Germany and the rest of Germany
Eire Saor Eire Gaelach,Ar la anseo
God save the loyalists of northern ireland
I’m not so sure he will. They’re not the nicest people in the world
Haha loyalist to to british crown that go out on the streets and fight the apparatus of the british state. If only the world had more men like billy reid or the great wolftone.
0:25
Irish protestants would be gaurenteed permanant coalition in dublin with their voting block .
Unlikely.
@@Rumpelstyltskin if unionists unified as it stands they be 20 % thats up with FF FG
@@shanemolloy8250 the yellow backs wont unite, too busy drug dealing and people smuggling.
Peter Taylor, is he a SF-IRA sympathiser?
What is the effects of brexit to asylum seekers ? Is it good or bad ?
North Ireland Loyalists & the rest of UK should be worried. Ever heard of the Term WASP ? White Anglo-Saxon Protestant in reference to the Church Of England. A American term used. History , they really didn't care much for England .As for the , The Irish , Protestant or Catholic ? They just didn't like the Irish. just like in Australia. My ancestral history Half Irish Catholic (Kilkenny & Dublin) & Italian.
I've read this twice and I have no idea what you are talking about.
@@wodenravens someone caught a case of the dumbs
@@wodenravens you're a braver man than me, for giving it the second try.
0:41 💩😂
Why the hell am I here im american
Wha are you thoughts on this?
@@dreadpiraterobertsii4420 that everyone in your corner of the world has lost their minds thats not an insult mind you its just as crazy here edit the Scottish English and Welsh have also lost their minds
the O.D.S.T spartan yea we’re filthy pagan hill tribes dead set on dismantling the British empire like we did the Roman Empire centuries ago that’s Ireland and Scotland’s plan
then we’ll take their loot and women hahahahaha
@@dreadpiraterobertsii4420 ha also arnt the Irish mostly catholic
the O.D.S.T spartan yea Republic of Ireland is 90% catholic and in Nothern Ireland it’s 730,000 Catholics with 750,000 Protestants. But every year Catholicism increases by 0.5 and Protestantism decreases by 4.0
The Protestants and Catholics, 2 Christianity group’s fighting over nothing
remember EU Ireland has agreed to take in immigrants as well RIGHT NOW
Prepared for peace ready for war....🇬🇧
Northern Ireland is not part of "🇬🇧"
War with who? The UK Government agreed this deal.
Adam patterson 🇬🇧 has already sold you be prepared for surrender 🤣🤣🤣
@@theboss-wy4cn Shh or we'll take over the whole island again
Yous have no british army this time
Relax