There's plane crashes all the time worldwide. He just doesn't know of any or is too lazy to research em. So reuploads to gets the views and comments which still puts money in his pocket.
Wow, congrats on becoming a pilot. I just find all of this fascinating, but would never be a pilot. I fear having so many lives be my responsibility and would be devastated if any were lost while I held them.@@JDRudolph-jq8he
This not only happens in the US. A few years ago a plane dumped fuel over Canterbury, Kent, UK and I was on the ground underneath it. Look at a map and see how near we are to the sea. A redeeming fact was that the plane was high enough for the fuel to evaporate but it still stank like parrafin/kerosine.
Really strange that they didn't report that they needed to dump fuel, or that they WERE dumping fuel. That is such a no no. There's just no reason for that.
you can see the gears in his head turning. When asked if he wanted equipment, he first said no. No need. Just a one engine landing. But then he changed his mind and said, sure why not. Might as well cover himself just in case things go south and he has to answer as to why he did not request the trucks. Likewise, he first decided he was not going to dump fuel, no need, then decided, yeah why not, just to cover myself, just in case things go south and he has to answer as to why he did not dump it. He was making decisions on the fly just to cover himself, with no regard to anyone's safety, on the plane or on the ground.
yes, it sounds like he's pretty rattled and just wanted to get on the ground. And maybe he didn't want to be diverted to an area and altitude where he COULD dump fuel, because it would keep them in the air longer. Maybe they thought no one would find out. Who knows.
Strange the Delta crew didn't follow standard fuel dumping procedures. They seemed sort of devious in their transmissions. Sure would like to know what the outcome was from the FAA.
@@MaynardFreek no, they would not as they filed an ASAP report, it would quickly be accepted by a gatekeeper and that's the end of it. Aviation incidents are not about finding someone to punish.
@@skyboy1956 understandable, but children and others were affected by the dump. So nobody at DL, (pilots) were reprimanded for the dump? Did DL pay hospital bills?
This was really awful for the kids in school and the neighborhoods. Maybe, just maybe, should revisit their protocols on fuel dumping. And I am not complaining about the reload
Mind boggling that so called highly trained pilots dump fuel below 5000' They must have known such a simple thing that it would reach the ground, over a residential area. What was their excuse for this???
Ok I get it was an emergency aircraft but dumping fuel over land at a low altitude so it didn't have time to evaporate is actually bloody unprofessional and worthy into an investigation into the pilots thinking especially as ATC specifically asked them if they wanted to dump over the ocean and declined.
Doesnt explain the pilots & the blatant irresponsible fuel dump.. they had the ocean right there & plenty of altitude at 8000... its beyond reckless to dump low without necessity
il faut faire la part des choses . Se poser avec les reservoirs pleins peut etre catastrophique...aller larguer au dessus de la mer , quand chaque seconde compte ?!?!...
Too bad the people living in that house wouldn't get to keep the cowling. It'd make an interesting piece of yard art, and/or a very interesting conversation piece.
The Delta pilots created a fuel-air bomb that could have killed thousands. They had two other options: 1 Dump fuel over the ocean at 8000 feet. (Mentour Pilot) 2 Land with all the fuel onboard since the 777 can do that. (BlancoLaurio) It was just plain dumb to do what they did. They should lose their licenses.
Nightly News said their fuel was dumped over an elementary school yard during recess. Lil kids got covered. These guys would make great parking lot crews
@10:17 We still need to know how FIRED those pilots were for the fuel dump at such a low altitude of a populated area, inducing those immediate health risks.
Not at all. We can dump 24/7 anywhere we want. You can do nothing about it . Sorry, we pilots win…. My suggestion is to not live near an airport…your fault…
@@michaelsteiger8509 Incorrect. FARs state that fuel dumping should be over non densely populated areas. Which is why those pilots faced discipline. Don't live near an airport?? You don't know where the schools affected are located, do you??
@@michaelsteiger8509 The Delta pilots created a fuel-air bomb that could have killed thousands. Pure incompetence !! If the fuel had caught fire, thousands would have died.
As much as it would make me mad also, they will just argue it was an emergency so it's not their fault. There is no legal method to get employees fired as part of a lawsuit
@@willj1598 You are incorrect the Pilots are trained to drop fuel in the ocean not on the land where people are I worked at AA Fed Ex and FAA IF I was involved I would do my best to take their Pilot Certificates!
@davesaucier8433 Maybe we are saying different things Absolutely against procedure to dump fuel the way they did, just saying they can afford a lot of lawyers to weasel out of responsibility. You could certainly try to take their credentials through the FAA, which would probably cost them their job but I think it would be tough. I was just saying I don't think you can file a civil lawsuit where the award or remedy would be to fire someone. That would violate a bunch of employment laws.
Have you stopped and worked this out. Compressor stall can be caused by contaminated fuel, so if you were a passenger, would you like the pilot to fly out over the ocean with only one engine. The risk would be the same if the aircraft had suffered a bird strike.
Was there no reasonable alternative to fuel dumping on a populated area? It seems there should be some means of notifying schools, other institutions to go indoors if there’s a chance of jet fuel or anything else from a plane being dumped on them. If it had just misted the buildings, not people, it might not smell so great but windows could be closed and the building be safely evacuated and cleaned. Nobody received serious injury, but if some plan were in place, most of the hospital visits could have been prevented. When there are large airports in built up areas, fuel dump situations should be planned for, just like a fire drill, tornado drill, lockdown drill, etc. Simply getting inside with the windows closed and exterior to interior circulation system shut off. Most schools and businesses already have an evacuation plan to be followed if necessary.
The Delta pilots created a fuel-air bomb that could have killed thousands. They had two other options: 1 Dump fuel over the ocean at 8000 feet. (Mentour Pilot) 2 Land with all the fuel onboard since the 777 can do that. (BlancoLirio) Pure incompetence !! If the fuel had caught fire, thousands would have died.
we were living not far from Nice airport once and we were constantly sprayed with fuel - at least several times per month. You don't forget the smell of kerosine
This channel no longer has the soul it once had. It used to be a passion project and it could be felt. Not sure if the channel was sold or not as that would make sense but yeah…
It's fine to have reuploads, but I feel that this channel should really work on air disasters that have occured previously. We don't even have JAL123 or AI182 on this channel.
Delta Airlines 89, cannot believe they didnt let ATC know, wait for clearance for height and area to dump, and then just dumped it over a populated area, particularly with schools and children, from a low height. Were the pilots naive, didn't thnk or went plain lazy minded and ignorant? Be interesting to find out what the FAA concludes on ths one..
Incident 1: I'm curious how the controllers at LAX and Los Angeles Center (was that renamed SoCal) would take the pilots' word for it that they did not need to dump fuel. A fully loaded widebody aircraft flying from Los Angeles to China is going to be far above maximum landing weight. I assume the controllers know via their flight strips where this airplane was headed (correct me if I am wrong). As to why the pilots chose to lie about that - I don't remember if they were grounded by the FAA but they deserved to be.
Controllers often are not airline pilots, certified in every plane. The ATC suggested fuel dump twice, if not more. The triple 7 has landing weights within 100k lbs of take off max weight. So 20k of fuel might not put them over max weight depending on cargo. We know it had under 170 passengers/crew. I think it’s set for 350 passengers to over 500 passengers. So half full? Or less. ATC job is to assist, not fly the plane. Pilot/co need to decide if needed. He asked/reminded. They decided not to. I would be ticked in an emergency when going over check list a 3rd party, not trained told me what to do. Without them having current info.
It’s been years and still no information regarding what was done in regards to these two so called pilots. They should not be allowed to fly commercial airplanes ever again. Looks like some sort of cover up. Why isn’t the press asking for a report and the pilots punishment.
Googled the Delta flight, 5 years later there still doesn't appear to be an answer as to why the pilots dumped fuel when they knew they shouldn't have.
Weight. Aircraft are designed to land within particular parameters of weight. If they're too heavy to land, they will dump fuel. However, the pilots made a very wrong mistake to dump fuel over a densely populated area. Which is why ATC offered multiple opportunities to take vectors to hold for fuel dumping.
Please don’t make me have to complain about the reuploads again and tick everybody in the comments section off. Please… But what ticks me off is the fact that the Delta crew dumped fuel over six schools while children were outside.
A few things that need to be edited. One; Delta never owned or operated B777-200ERs. They only owned and operated B777-200LRs. Two; there are no such thing as 'lax approach' controllers. The facility is Southern California Approach, or SoCal Approach. Three; when the SoCal contoller asks about fuel left on board, the pilot replies with "twelve plus zero zero (12+00)", not 212. Meaning, twelve hours of fuel left. Controllers need to know how much fuel is left in time, not weight. Four; when the Denver tower controller gives the frequency change for United 328, the pilot doesn't finish his transmission with 'bye bye', he says 'mahalo'. Mahalo is Hawaiian for thank you. Lastly, there are several grammatical errors that need to be looked at. The lower case typing of the name of an airport, lower case of LAX, and misspelling Hawai'i.
Aircraft capable of 300,000 lbs or greater in weight. Applied to in-trail separation for aircraft following or departing behind a heavy, to mitigate wake turbulence issues
So the pilots had the chance to dump Fuel over the Ocean . They said Negative and then moments later decide to dump fuel when they are already flying over the city. Okay!! They changed their mind, maybe due to fear, I suppose, but should at least notify the ATC about it.
Typical reliability to be expected from anything that isn't GE. Since when did a GE90 in-flight shutdown ever cause jet fuel to fall on people? Since when did a GE90 fan blade ever spontaneously disintegrate in flight? As for the Delta flight crew, anyone can clearly see that they could have jettisoned the fuel above FL100 over the ocean (or at least not on land).
All airlines need to look at their protocols for fuel dumping and it's impact on the environment The wildfires and the Santa Ana winds should be considered. Not to mention the peeps and the sea life.
Unfortunately, if we want to use airplanes are occasionally have to jettison fuel. Sometimes the alternative is to risk crashing, which will release all the fuel as well as cause a few other concerns. They have procedures for this, they didn't follow them.
NOT TRUE. I am a Delta pilot. No actions what so ever were taken. Pilots could have chosen better I think but you or I were not in the cockpit. No FARs were broken so no action taken. Sorry, facts are facts .
They should be reprimanded over doing something that stupid! How about losing their pilots license for 3 to 6 months, no pay, or better yet, getting fired! They know better!!!
Dirty Bird ! Think will defer to the pilots as to whether this was the right or justifiable thing to do (dumping fuel over people and schools at low altitude as well as being evasive to ATC as to doing it )
Why do you narrate in English and then in foreign language for volume, speed and distances? It makes my viewing a WASTE of time. I'm NOT going to sit here and convert French to English or convert speed and distance to feet and miles per hour because it is the same trouble. Your target audience is not Canada because there is nobody there. No references in English ruins your video. Language applies exactly same to speed and distance as words. I have to look up what "papion" means in French for instance "butterfly" translated. I cannot see 20m? I can see 65'-7" and forget metrics better because one has to split hairs in all measuring systems. If i say 65' exactly then that would be 19,8 meters (less accurate by the way) You narrate in English and "So Should Distance Then" is my point. You can blame man in Genesis 11-9 of the Tower of babel.
title is wrongg...when aircraft enggine is on fire...pilot must not jettision fuel....dangerous... if they did dump fuel...then its becos they have put out the fire.... but i wud have gone for an ovverweight landing becos the fire cud start again and that wud b a worse scenario......cpt777
Love the channel......but with 1.5 million subs, do we really need click-bait titles. I expected more from this channel. This is a classic fan-blade-out incident, and yes there were flames, but to say that the 777 'catches fire', and then immediately put ''and dumps fuel all over Los Angeles'? No sir, I don't like it. You guys are better than this, you're channel is better than this, and the 1.5 million subs prove it. It also proves that many people watch your videos.....about the aviation industry. An industry that's committed to safety, and a truth culture. Nowhere in aviation, or aviation videos should there be anything 'click-baity'. It's just bad form, and in no way represents the industry you're covering.
@@Avtech1407 I know nothing about FedUps A/C power but the UAL 777 they showed was part of the original UAL fleet before merging with CAL and they used P&W. CAL 777's all used GE90s. The Delta 777 apparently used Pratts. Some A/C types have the options to use different brand engines. Original CAL 757 used Rolls Royce while the ones in the original UAL fleet used P&W. When optional it probably depends on the financing mostly on what the airline chooses.
The odds of anything happening in a plane are so slim. There are so few crashes to the millions of flights that happened each year. But it is a legit fear so I wouldn’t judge you for it.
Compressor stall can be caused by contaminated fuel. With that in mind and only one engine, I can understand why they did not want to delay landing or fly ot over the ocean. Jet fuel is injurious to health, but a one off situation would be unlikely to cause any lasting harm
You know what's good about reuploads? That means that there haven't been any significant crashes to discuss lately. I view that as a win all around.
That's true, but there's still many aviation incidents they haven't talked about. Like Japan Airlines 123.
And they have not talked about Philippine Airlines.
There still many that hasnt been discussed even Allec Joshua Ibay does more
boi is brave talkin bout boeing. he might catch some bad thoughts despite doing amazing
There's plane crashes all the time worldwide. He just doesn't know of any or is too lazy to research em. So reuploads to gets the views and comments which still puts money in his pocket.
WoW!!! You described a compressor stall perfectly!!
Airline Pilot here, retired now. Well done!!
I’m an airline pilot as well. I fly with Aeroflot
Wow, congrats on becoming a pilot. I just find all of this fascinating, but would never be a pilot. I fear having so many lives be my responsibility and would be devastated if any were lost while I held them.@@JDRudolph-jq8he
This not only happens in the US. A few years ago a plane dumped fuel over Canterbury, Kent, UK and I was on the ground underneath it. Look at a map and see how near we are to the sea. A redeeming fact was that the plane was high enough for the fuel to evaporate but it still stank like parrafin/kerosine.
So was a report ever released as to why the pilots dumped fuel so low over the city?
No. The FAA said they were investigating, but no report has been released. Multiple law suits against Delta are ongoing though.
Yet another reason I'll never fly Delta again if I can possibly help it.
@@thecomedypilot5894😂
@@thecomedypilot5894 I was actually laughing at the reply you wrote to the other guy .if anything I was agreeing with you because it's true 😆
Really strange that they didn't report that they needed to dump fuel, or that they WERE dumping fuel. That is such a no no. There's just no reason for that.
you can see the gears in his head turning. When asked if he wanted equipment, he first said no. No need. Just a one engine landing. But then he changed his mind and said, sure why not. Might as well cover himself just in case things go south and he has to answer as to why he did not request the trucks. Likewise, he first decided he was not going to dump fuel, no need, then decided, yeah why not, just to cover myself, just in case things go south and he has to answer as to why he did not dump it. He was making decisions on the fly just to cover himself, with no regard to anyone's safety, on the plane or on the ground.
yes, it sounds like he's pretty rattled and just wanted to get on the ground. And maybe he didn't want to be diverted to an area and altitude where he COULD dump fuel, because it would keep them in the air longer. Maybe they thought no one would find out. Who knows.
Either part of the audio was omitted by the channel, or neither plane reported fuel and number of souls.
@@0101-s7vI hope the airline gets the black boxes info in these near misses.
Everything you said is completely false and not even remotely true, it's actually embarrassing.
Strange the Delta crew didn't follow standard fuel dumping procedures. They seemed sort of devious in their transmissions. Sure would like to know what the outcome was from the FAA.
Google it
Maybe they panicked
There’s no information about wether or not the pilots received any disciplinary action
@@MaynardFreek no, they would not as they filed an ASAP report, it would quickly be accepted by a gatekeeper and that's the end of it.
Aviation incidents are not about finding someone to punish.
@@skyboy1956 understandable, but children and others were affected by the dump. So nobody at DL, (pilots) were reprimanded for the dump? Did DL pay hospital bills?
The pilots who dumped fuel over Los Angeles without letting the ATC know is despicable.
They should be punished or suspended.
reminds me of a ditty 'If I had the wings of a sparrow and the arse of a dirty big crow I'd fly right over the city and take a ...... on all below'
Im sorry for those kids. Especially the ones at recess
Even though this is a reupload I still enjoyed it. I've been a member of this channel since the beginning
It's your money,so I don't mind where you spend them
Hello Sir, I want to express my gratitude for your channel, which has become my main source for my write-up assignment and case study presentation ☺️.
Dousing schoolkids in jet fuel? I smell a lucrative class action lawsuit.
How did the pilots not lose their jobs?!
"Mayday" comes from French word "M'aider" which means "Help Me"
Gee. Thanks... didn't know...
I had no prior knowledge of these incidents. Thank God nobody was seriously hurt. I love the 777! Thank you for bringing it to us.
You must be new to this channel. All his vids are reuploads.
This was really awful for the kids in school and the neighborhoods. Maybe, just maybe, should revisit their protocols on fuel dumping. And I am not complaining about the reload
Mind boggling that so called highly trained pilots dump fuel below 5000'
They must have known such a simple thing that it would reach the ground, over a residential area.
What was their excuse for this???
Ok I get it was an emergency aircraft but dumping fuel over land at a low altitude so it didn't have time to evaporate is actually bloody unprofessional and worthy into an investigation into the pilots thinking especially as ATC specifically asked them if they wanted to dump over the ocean and declined.
Doesnt explain the pilots & the blatant irresponsible fuel dump.. they had the ocean right there & plenty of altitude at 8000... its beyond reckless to dump low without necessity
Procedure for compressor stall for my aircraft was to throttle back initially to try to restore normal airflow before shutting down as last resort.
I hope the people harmed by the Delta incident and sues the hell out of the airline!
This? An amazingly good video. Thank you.
Aren't pilots supposed to say "Mayday" 3 times, not 2? Also, for the pilots in the first video, did they have any consequences for their actions?
There’s no information about the pilots being disciplined
Very nice video and explanations. Thank you!
My sister was a teacher at the school where the kids got injuries from the fuel. Poor kids were in tears and some had to be taken to hospital
Nope.
il faut faire la part des choses . Se poser avec les reservoirs pleins peut etre catastrophique...aller larguer au dessus de la mer , quand chaque seconde compte ?!?!...
Too bad the people living in that house wouldn't get to keep the cowling. It'd make an interesting piece of yard art, and/or a very interesting conversation piece.
The Delta pilots created a fuel-air bomb that could have killed thousands.
They had two other options:
1 Dump fuel over the ocean at 8000 feet. (Mentour Pilot)
2 Land with all the fuel onboard since the 777 can do that. (BlancoLaurio)
It was just plain dumb to do what they did. They should lose their licenses.
Absolutely. Their license should be taken away.
Agreed. That s unnecessary dangerous
Blancolirio
Why was the 777 Delta Airlines 89 dumping fuel, and it was mentioned by ATC, if they could have landed with the fuel?
Nightly News said their fuel was dumped over an elementary school yard during recess. Lil kids got covered. These guys would make great parking lot crews
Great reupload!
@10:17 We still need to know how FIRED those pilots were for the fuel dump at such a low altitude of a populated area, inducing those immediate health risks.
Not at all. We can dump 24/7 anywhere we want. You can do nothing about it . Sorry, we pilots win…. My suggestion is to not live near an airport…your fault…
❤@@michaelsteiger8509amen
@@michaelsteiger8509 Incorrect. FARs state that fuel dumping should be over non densely populated areas. Which is why those pilots faced discipline.
Don't live near an airport?? You don't know where the schools affected are located, do you??
@@michaelsteiger8509 The Delta pilots created a fuel-air bomb that could have killed thousands.
Pure incompetence !! If the fuel had caught fire, thousands would have died.
If that was my child got Jet fuel I would Sue Delta and made sure those Pilots were fired!
As much as it would make me mad also, they will just argue it was an emergency so it's not their fault. There is no legal method to get employees fired as part of a lawsuit
@@willj1598 You are incorrect the Pilots are trained to drop fuel in the ocean not on the land where people are I worked at AA Fed Ex and FAA IF I was involved I would do my best to take their Pilot Certificates!
@davesaucier8433 Maybe we are saying different things Absolutely against procedure to dump fuel the way they did, just saying they can afford a lot of lawyers to weasel out of responsibility. You could certainly try to take their credentials through the FAA, which would probably cost them their job but I think it would be tough. I was just saying I don't think you can file a civil lawsuit where the award or remedy would be to fire someone. That would violate a bunch of employment laws.
Nobody is getting fired so settle down.
Have you stopped and worked this out. Compressor stall can be caused by contaminated fuel, so if you were a passenger, would you like the pilot to fly out over the ocean with only one engine.
The risk would be the same if the aircraft had suffered a bird strike.
The United incident at Denver. Perfectly displayed.
By the way? Our GPWS does count down "50 - 30 - 20 - 10". Never says '40'.
Denver ATC speaks too fast if I was a pilot I’d tell him to slow the hell down
Was there no reasonable alternative to fuel dumping on a populated area? It seems there should be some means of notifying schools, other institutions to go indoors if there’s a chance of jet fuel or anything else from a plane being dumped on them. If it had just misted the buildings, not people, it might not smell so great but windows could be closed and the building be safely evacuated and cleaned. Nobody received serious injury, but if some plan were in place, most of the hospital visits could have been prevented. When there are large airports in built up areas, fuel dump situations should be planned for, just like a fire drill, tornado drill, lockdown drill, etc. Simply getting inside with the windows closed and exterior to interior circulation system shut off. Most schools and businesses already have an evacuation plan to be followed if necessary.
The Delta pilots created a fuel-air bomb that could have killed thousands.
They had two other options:
1 Dump fuel over the ocean at 8000 feet. (Mentour Pilot)
2 Land with all the fuel onboard since the 777 can do that. (BlancoLirio)
Pure incompetence !! If the fuel had caught fire, thousands would have died.
Never was mentioned concerning what happened to the DL pilots for dumping the fuel without telling ATC.?? Did they get into trouble?
That sure took awhile to figure out which one you were gonna reupload.
we were living not far from Nice airport once and we were constantly sprayed with fuel - at least several times per month. You don't forget the smell of kerosine
You can smell fuel, doesn’t mean you got dumped with fuel. This fuel dumping happens only in case of an emergency
One, you were never 'sprayed' with fuel. Fuel doesn't 'come out' of aircraft. Secondly, aircraft don't use kerosine.
Dumping fuel. Guess his kids don't live in the LA AREA. What a scumbag
LA is a craphole anyways
he made sure he was over East LA
@@tkeo12 Have you even been there?
Great videos. Seemed the Delta pilots were a bit sketchy.
This channel no longer has the soul it once had. It used to be a passion project and it could be felt. Not sure if the channel was sold or not as that would make sense but yeah…
Why was the manufacturer blamed, versus the airline? I thought the airline was responsible for timely maintenance?
One issue with the cover picture is Delta has no 777 in the fleet.
It's fine to have reuploads, but I feel that this channel should really work on air disasters that have occured previously. We don't even have JAL123 or AI182 on this channel.
Delta Airlines 89, cannot believe they didnt let ATC know, wait for clearance for height and area to dump, and then just dumped it over a populated area, particularly with schools and children, from a low height. Were the pilots naive, didn't thnk or went plain lazy minded and ignorant? Be interesting to find out what the FAA concludes on ths one..
These pilots were nitwits!
Incident 1: I'm curious how the controllers at LAX and Los Angeles Center (was that renamed SoCal) would take the pilots' word for it that they did not need to dump fuel. A fully loaded widebody aircraft flying from Los Angeles to China is going to be far above maximum landing weight. I assume the controllers know via their flight strips where this airplane was headed (correct me if I am wrong). As to why the pilots chose to lie about that - I don't remember if they were grounded by the FAA but they deserved to be.
Controllers often are not airline pilots, certified in every plane. The ATC suggested fuel dump twice, if not more. The triple 7 has landing weights within 100k lbs of take off max weight. So 20k of fuel might not put them over max weight depending on cargo. We know it had under 170 passengers/crew. I think it’s set for 350 passengers to over 500 passengers. So half full? Or less.
ATC job is to assist, not fly the plane. Pilot/co need to decide if needed. He asked/reminded. They decided not to. I would be ticked in an emergency when going over check list a 3rd party, not trained told me what to do. Without them having current info.
@@larsharris That's a fair point.
It’s been years and still no information regarding what was done in regards to these two so called pilots. They should not be allowed to fly commercial airplanes ever again. Looks like some sort of cover up. Why isn’t the press asking for a report and the pilots punishment.
So are you saying that the two incidents were related?
is it just everyone or did i see the change of the winglet of the 777 from the beginning of the video until 8:32
Seems to me that a sensible checklist would call for fuel dumping as a first item after the decision to return is made
Googled the Delta flight, 5 years later there still doesn't appear to be an answer as to why the pilots dumped fuel when they knew they shouldn't have.
Why did they dump fuel? They seemed to be in control and they were close to LAX?
Weight. Aircraft are designed to land within particular parameters of weight. If they're too heavy to land, they will dump fuel. However, the pilots made a very wrong mistake to dump fuel over a densely populated area. Which is why ATC offered multiple opportunities to take vectors to hold for fuel dumping.
I can see why dumping the fuel; CA is a dumping ground.
what happened to the pilots of the first incident?
I am not impressed with the decision's the Delta pilot made. I'm sure the guy in the tower was not impressed either. I feel bad for those children.
Are the radio communications real?
Yes
Please don’t make me have to complain about the reuploads again and tick everybody in the comments section off. Please…
But what ticks me off is the fact that the Delta crew dumped fuel over six schools while children were outside.
Would you rather risk the plane crashing?
@ True, but why did they do it over schools?
@@mawj09eas4 it wasnt planned. you have to dump it where you dump it.
@@Augfordpdoggie exactly
@@AugfordpdoggieThen it was bad timing, I guess.
A few things that need to be edited. One; Delta never owned or operated B777-200ERs. They only owned and operated B777-200LRs. Two; there are no such thing as 'lax approach' controllers. The facility is Southern California Approach, or SoCal Approach. Three; when the SoCal contoller asks about fuel left on board, the pilot replies with "twelve plus zero zero (12+00)", not 212. Meaning, twelve hours of fuel left. Controllers need to know how much fuel is left in time, not weight. Four; when the Denver tower controller gives the frequency change for United 328, the pilot doesn't finish his transmission with 'bye bye', he says 'mahalo'. Mahalo is Hawaiian for thank you. Lastly, there are several grammatical errors that need to be looked at. The lower case typing of the name of an airport, lower case of LAX, and misspelling Hawai'i.
I thought that the 777 was powered by RR Trent engines ..
Depends on the customer. There are 3 different engine companies that produce engines for the Boeing 777 family.
In the phrase "Delta 89 heavy," what does "heavy" mean?
Aircraft capable of 300,000 lbs or greater in weight. Applied to in-trail separation for aircraft following or departing behind a heavy, to mitigate wake turbulence issues
I don't know know much about it but isn't it dangerous to dump fuel while the engine is on fire? Over the city too...
The engine was not on fire. The engine was shut down prior to any fuel dump. Also, the dump happens away from the actual engines.
They were suppose to dump fuel in the Ocean they are trained to do that!
I feel bad for the people that almost died from the jet fuel
So the pilots had the chance to dump Fuel over the Ocean . They said Negative and then moments later decide to dump fuel when they are already flying over the city. Okay!! They changed their mind, maybe due to fear, I suppose, but should at least notify the ATC about it.
wait, did they pull the tickets of the Delta 89 pilots? Heck LA could maybe even charge them with criminal negligence.
who is "they?"
Typical reliability to be expected from anything that isn't GE. Since when did a GE90 in-flight shutdown ever cause jet fuel to fall on people? Since when did a GE90 fan blade ever spontaneously disintegrate in flight? As for the Delta flight crew, anyone can clearly see that they could have jettisoned the fuel above FL100 over the ocean (or at least not on land).
All airlines need to look at their protocols for fuel dumping and it's impact on the environment
The wildfires and the Santa Ana winds should be considered. Not to mention the peeps and the sea life.
Unfortunately, if we want to use airplanes are occasionally have to jettison fuel. Sometimes the alternative is to risk crashing, which will release all the fuel as well as cause a few other concerns. They have procedures for this, they didn't follow them.
I was a flight attendant for 18+ years. I hear you!
Where is the problem?
They are retrained chemtrail pilots who have behaved quite normally.
Chemtrails aren't real.
I'm glad I no longer live in Broomfield Colorado. WTAF.
Pilots dumped fuel over a school and didn't lose their jobs?!
NOT TRUE. I am a Delta pilot. No actions what so ever were taken. Pilots could have chosen better I think but you or I were not in the cockpit. No FARs were broken so no action taken. Sorry, facts are facts .
Your a good UA-camr
No
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14:45 that'll buff right out
Got a match ?
Delta made it rain on them
Oh no deity no 😢
They should be reprimanded over doing something that stupid! How about losing their pilots license for 3 to 6 months, no pay, or better yet, getting fired! They know better!!!
If I were a pilot and I heard the word fire on a plane. My butt would be on the ground before you can finishing the word fire
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Sad fact:the flight 89 was 767 after this incident :(
The Delta crew should have been disciplined but nothing in this video about that
shut the engine down
Dirty Bird ! Think will defer to the pilots as to whether this was the right or justifiable thing to do (dumping fuel over people and schools at low altitude as well as being evasive to ATC as to doing it )
You say mayday United and show a Delta. What a fraudulent
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Why do you narrate in English and then in foreign language for volume, speed and distances? It makes my viewing a WASTE of time. I'm NOT going to sit here and convert French to English or convert speed and distance to feet and miles per hour because it is the same trouble. Your target audience is not Canada because there is nobody there. No references in English ruins your video. Language applies exactly same to speed and distance as words. I have to look up what "papion" means in French for instance "butterfly" translated. I cannot see 20m? I can see 65'-7" and forget metrics better because one has to split hairs in all measuring systems. If i say 65' exactly then that would be 19,8 meters (less accurate by the way) You narrate in English and "So Should Distance Then" is my point. You can blame man in Genesis 11-9 of the Tower of babel.
Why are they showing the United 777....N772UA in this?
title is wrongg...when aircraft enggine is on fire...pilot must not jettision fuel....dangerous... if they did dump fuel...then its becos they have put out the fire.... but i wud have gone for an ovverweight landing becos the fire cud start again and that wud b a worse scenario......cpt777
Love the channel......but with 1.5 million subs, do we really need click-bait titles. I expected more from this channel. This is a classic fan-blade-out incident, and yes there were flames, but to say that the 777 'catches fire', and then immediately put ''and dumps fuel all over Los Angeles'? No sir, I don't like it. You guys are better than this, you're channel is better than this, and the 1.5 million subs prove it. It also proves that many people watch your videos.....about the aviation industry. An industry that's committed to safety, and a truth culture. Nowhere in aviation, or aviation videos should there be anything 'click-baity'. It's just bad form, and in no way represents the industry you're covering.
My sister was a teacher at that school. Not really, but I want to be important like our comrad friend. Something Dave or whatever. Absolute liar.
im sure it didnt affect those crazy kids one bit ;)
What are the Engines on this Aircraft???
This UAL 777 was an original United A/C with P&W engines.
@@rogerhuber3133 Nice engines built Engineers very good! Worked and Troubleshoot them!
@@rogerhuber3133 why did the Show see us Delta B777???
When I was at Fed Ex we had the GE90s!
@@Avtech1407 I know nothing about FedUps A/C power but the UAL 777 they showed was part of the original UAL fleet before merging with CAL and they used P&W. CAL 777's all used GE90s. The Delta 777 apparently used Pratts. Some A/C types have the options to use different brand engines. Original CAL 757 used Rolls Royce while the ones in the original UAL fleet used P&W. When optional it probably depends on the financing mostly on what the airline chooses.
watching these videos sure makes me want to fly, NOT. i'll stick to amtrak, if the train crashes i don't have 40000 ft to think about it.
The odds of anything happening in a plane are so slim. There are so few crashes to the millions of flights that happened each year. But it is a legit fear so I wouldn’t judge you for it.
Click bait video title. The plane wasn't afire.
Sorry kids, tough sh"t. Getting some fuel dumped on you isn't actually going to hurt you .
People with certain lung or skin conditions can be hurt
Compressor stall can be caused by contaminated fuel. With that in mind and only one engine, I can understand why they did not want to delay landing or fly ot over the ocean.
Jet fuel is injurious to health, but a one off situation would be unlikely to cause any lasting harm
should have had rolls royce engines. GE SUCKS WIND.
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Crap content.
Nothing new to see here. It happened 14 years ago. Clickbait!
Not first, but I am last. How stupid.
Why say Souls instead of Passengers 🤔
Souls refers to living people. Including pilots and flight attendants.
@nicholasflores288 sounds foreboding to me
Old plane ....