A Routine Landing Turns into Every Pilot's Nightmare | A Mind of its Own
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- Опубліковано 9 вер 2024
- Here are the stories of two planes with a mind of their own.
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The First accident was totally the Captain's fault he either says "my controls" and takes command of the flight or he lets the trainee get on with the flying.
good point. It sounds as though the design, by adding the inputs of the control, was either allowing for this or it was the best response to a bad situation
That first captain should not have taken control without informing the 1st officer.
man its 14:36 utc in my city, brazil, the breaking news said that a atr-72 from Voepass, an airline, just crashed, the videos recorded by the witness seems like the plane just had an stall and crashed, i belive everyone on board died from the impact.😕
Muito triste :(
Probably icing-induced stall. RIP to all aboard.
@Diego-ce3de yes unfortunately that aircraft went into a stall; spiral out prior to crashing to ground. The pilots were unable to recover from that stall. All souls were lost on that flight.
Apparently they had icing on wings; that followed w/a stall.
It was Obi-Wan, he IS the HIGH GROUND 😂
Anyway this is, in the end, another happy landing. 😂
That's a well known problem with introducing any safety system (like anti-stall software), you may inadvertently introduce a new and difficult to foresee hazard. No doubt the anti-stall has saved many more crashes than it has caused, but there is often a downside and someone's going to be unlucky.
Technology is a great servant but a terrible master.
Profound !
It’s a terrible master because it’s not designed to be a master. Plane performed perfectly. Pilot was a dim wit!
@@effkay3691 basically any aircraft is designed ie: controls/interface any other features to assist pilots during flight. Sometimes not all times; pilots may/may not be trained w/if there are new features are in place. Basically the plane can pretty much fly on its own. Unfortunately some pilots try to override those fail safe features. Will have to rereview this clip.
That Iberia A320 dived as quick as any Spanish football player when they get tickled in the penalty box!
The flight control cables are usually attached to hydraulic actuators. Some are also attached from the hydraulic actuators to the flight control surfaces too. That is how they were in the C-130 Bs & Es I was on while in the US Air Force.
Please let this not be a reupload
Sometimes we just have to be happy whatever is coming
It is.
@@akiko009 Is this a re-upload
People are constantly complaining that perhaps he sold the channel,
The owner put endless work into this channel. It was unbelievable that there weren't millions more following, He put extensive and detailed work into the videos, and made u feel as if you were on the plane, most all were quite captivating.All this for how much? Nothing, we paid nothing! They're still very thorough. Although it's missing a bit of info about name of pilots, maybe pictures, and the ending regarding fatalities..Yet still mostly well-done,
But I miss the old content creator
@theflightchannel Simulates the accident with the ATR 72-500 of VOEPASS flight 2283 that happened on August 9, 2024 at 1 pm in the interior of São Paulo Brazil.
Yeah
Muito triste para a aviação brasileira :(
50 minutes and I only 1700 views, this channel has overun the runway
4 hrs later and 6500 views
I blame the captain on the first one. Why would he assume command without telling its first officer anything?
That's why I always have the seatbelts on when flying...
OK so the first one was pilot error right
Whatever happened to the command "my aircraft"?
Wow! Must’ve been scary!
An accident occurred in Brazil, in São Paulo, with the VOEPASS ATR, if you can one day simulate what happened.
Muito triste. :(
Yep so the re-uploads all have a second flight added basically, and the subtitles have been redone so what happened? The original owner of this channel has sold it. The new company or person that owns the channel is changing just enough to call the new uploads ““ new essentially . no I’m not gonna lie the videos are still very watchable and the subtitles are far better written.
Is that airport worker riding on some sort of hovercraft?? 🤣
Just what I want to do is fly a plane where one chip can go bad. So we have Airbus with a chip and Boeing with a door. Who ever said flying was an adventure wasn't kidding.
that's why i fly my own planes, except that they have 1 propeller instead of 2 turbine engines, so takes a little longer.
wow
Can you make a video about the plane that crashed in Nepal two weeks ago? I know it's still in investigation process, but I'll like to know if you could, thanks.
Yeah that right
They won't
FC only does reruns know as a double feature.
@HaroldHognose and?
@HaroldHognose what
Did you see the images from the crashing in Brazil? It almost seems that the aircraft stalled during the approach due to headwinds.
A video about the accident would be interesting =(
@@CJSpencerAMVCreation I know it seems logical but a plane will not stall due to headwinds even if its ground speed is reduced to nearly zero. A flat spin like that is COG issue or tail stall
Imagine one day these flight systems will be aided by artificial intelligence…😱
I always get slammed for making this comment but the joystick controls combined with the overengineering of the flight control system protections on these planes have been responsible for some of the most horrific crashes in aviation history. Mix in a malfunctioning pitot tube or AOA sensor and a startled pilot and you get a recipe for disaster. I won't list the advantages of a linked yoke system between Captain and co-pilot over this video game setup that's primed to crash planes especially when the startle effect hits the flight deck but priority buttons and dual input announcements have been useless in these awful crashes.
Righto, that's why Boeing's never crash....
@@htpcnz7378 Oh, get over yourself. Airbus crashes just as much as Boeing does; the Europeans are just better at covering it up.
You're either an Airbus fan or you're not; I'm with you. 👍
I hate the joystick controls. This isn't a video game.
Surely it would be possible to mechanically link the two sidesticks so one pilot can feel if the other pilot intervenes and the position of each stick matches the overall input being given. Even if the connection between sidesticks and control surfaces is electronic.
Incident #1: Just who was flying the A/C? If the trainee pilot had control the captain should have let him continue or declared he took over. Incident #2: need to stick with cables as computers controlling things on Scarebusses have been the cause of several crashes.
Motherboard with randomly-placed Nixie tubes seems an odd visual for an ADIRU.
I may be missing something, but I cannot find when or if the pilot switched off the autopilot or if he had switched it back on and/or took back control from the a.p. after the second occurrence. Either way, scary stuff.
Scarebus
as opposed to booooiing?
Non fly-by-wire airliners don't have cables. They have hydraulic lines.
They have cables linked to hydraulic actuators at the flight control surfaces.
Where did it divert to?
Learmonth airport. If you want to watch the Air Disaster episode on the incident it is the American / Canadian version Season 12 ep 7 titled Free Fall, with interview excerpts with the captain, with the primary flight attendant who sustained heavy injuries, and the principle investigators.
The lack of understanding of the Bus flight control complexities, coupled with the language barrier for those who do not speak English or French fluently make the bus system very dangerous and have resulted in many such incidents. Usually in Asia and Africa, but for whatever reason, the Bus did not get the kind of attention that MCAS got on the MAX!
Cause MCAS killed hundreds of people, big difference.
Guess you’re gonna have to make ANOTHER one
(Most) Airbus aircraft use a sidestick, never a joystick 😉 10:38
The captain tried to landing but is late then the pilot send the plane into nose dive then pilot confused the landing gear instantly collapsed caused by a very hard landing
On the 1st one the captain was fired or demoted right? Just seems like there should be consequences for his actions!
Surely there would be a master switch to disengage any control system if acting erroneously!
Amazing 🎉 quality
You haven't watched any of it yet, you don't know anything about quality you haven't seen any of it.
@JSFGuy this youtuber is well known for the good quality of their vids so it's mostly likely a sub who's been here for years like a good chunk of us
Nope
@HaroldHognose I didn't say anything to you
Electronic/computerized controls have been responsible for some of the worst and most avoidable accidents in history all thanks to the "technological advances" that weren't properly looked into. One thing malfunctions and you get a cascade of failures that end in disaster almost every time, like Lion Air Flight 610 and Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302. In 2009, Air France Flight 447 lost all its flight protections and it ended in disaster. In 2014, an Air Asia Indonesia A320 fell out of the sky after the captain degraded the flight computers. It's always a mix of automation and pilots who don't understand the full extent of their aircraft's systems.
Air France 447 was a deep stall due to a stupid First Officer who held the stick back all the time they were falling down. Crew fucked it up, not the airplane
@@NinoMaartenGuitar The crew was overly reliant on the aircraft's fly by wire systems to do the job for them. This is why Bonin couldn't straighten the airplane when he initially took the controls.
ah yes, the whole only 1 accident, that was pilot error and bad communication, god people love to use AF 447 as their prime example, when it's also the only one they can use against airbus design, when they still have the highest safety record in aviation history, and at the time being, over 10,000 planes in the air with less accidents than planes back 30 years with full yokes and vor to vor navigation, having more accidents on planes that didn't even have 500 units produced.
Even MCAS for all the things and being defective, it's main problem came down to boeing not giving the training material needed to avoid what happened, which is turning off 2 switches to avoid an MCAS crash (shouldn't happen in the first place, but was perfectly avoidable if the pilot had been trained for it).
Fly by wire is to reduce the amount of weight in a plane, how the control surfaces are controlled in the cockpit comes down to each manufacturer, every airliner designed past 1988 is fly by wire, embraer, boeing, airbus, comac, bombardier, and the 737MAX on the opposite end, is not fly by wire since it's a repurposed 60s design, the only FBW thing in that plane are the spoilers, and with that, it's also been the safest time in terms of accidents per amount of planes in aviation history.
Nevemind Air Asia that was bad maintenance, pilots not following procedures and doing their own thing instead of checklists that brought their plane down.
@@ishiddddd4783 Allow me to make my rebuttal.
As someone who takes information from the final reports of air disasters and uses them in my own recreations of air disasters in the past, I am NOT your typical "oh yeah Airbus fly by wire caused AF447 and that's why Airbus is bad blablabla" type of guy. Secondly, I wasn't SPECIFICALLY mentioning or talking about Airbus in my original comment at all, but since you wanna change the subject to fit your own narrative, I'll play along.
Let me educate you on some more Airbus flaws, INCLUDING ones that don't pertain to the fly by wire system itself, before you continue to run your mouth. I must warn you, this'll take a while because well I study this stuff, but you'll learn quite a lot.
Airbus A300/A310/A319: Poor design in the case of a weak tailfin, which lead to the crash of American Airlines Flight 587. You might say this was purely pilot or training error because First Officer Molin continued to stomp back and forth on the rudder pedals alternating between left and right, but I will remind you that this was Airbus's first aircraft, and the tailfin should have been MADE TO handle such things. Airbus even agreed with this themselves, and this ended up in a lawsuit. rapoportlaw.com/blog/2010/08/ntsb-some-airbus-series-aircraft-contain-a-rudder-design-flaw-cited-as-cause-of-2001-american-airlin/
Also related to the above, the rudder of an Air Transat A310 (Flight 961) literally just snapped off in midair for NO REASON. You can't say this isn't a design flaw..this literally never happens. There have been other non-fatal incidents. One came in 2002 when a FedEx A300 freight pilot complained about strange 'uncommanded inputs' - rudder movements which the plane was making without his moving his control pedals. In FedEx's own test on the rudder on the ground, engineers claimed its 'acuators' - the hydraulic system which causes the rudder to move - tore a large hole around its hinges, in exactly the spot where the rudders of both Flight 961 and Flight 587 parted from the rest of the aircraft.
Airbus A320: The flight path angle and vertical speed tabs both used two digits (ex: 3.3 fpa, 33 fpm) instead of two and four digits respectively, which lead to the crash of Air Inter Flight 148 because the pilots thought they were in Flight Path Angle mode. Several A320 pilots have complained about this feature.
The Alpha Protection (aka stall protection) system would activate too close to the ground and therefore remove sidestick priority from the pilots at critical moments, causing an Iberia A320 (the subject of this video) to smash into the ground on landing in 2001, and the first commercial passenger A320 to crash at an airshow as Air France 296Q. I am aware that the pilots completely disregarded the altitude they were at, but the A-Prot system completely removed all pitch up authority from the pilots and was actually one of the main factors listed in the accident. This also caused a Lufthansa A320 by the registration of D- to nearly crash into the ground shortly after takeoff.
*I would also like to mention that the stall protection system removed any sort of pilot-control authority as the aircraft did it's thing, like when Qantas Flight 72 remained unresponsive for several seconds at a time.*
The spoilers on the A320 would NOT deploy until both main landing gear were on the ground, a flaw that caused Lufthansa Flight 2904 to suffer a runway excursion in 1993.
On November 27, 2008, an Airbus A320 on its test flight before delivery to XL Airways Germany, stalled and crashed into the Mediterranean Sea. Whilst in the middle of a stall protection test, the aircraft, without warning, switched its flight computers to Alternate Law, effectively leaving all controls to the pilots, and the only indication of this was the "USE MANUAL PITCH TRIM" warning on the PFD. The cause? The AOA sensors weren't covered when the aircraft was being washed, but Airbus didn't suggest covering the AOA sensors for things like this.
While performing touch-and-go circuits for student pilots, the A320 operating SmartLynx Estonia Flight 9001 lost elevator control just after landing, a situation which the crew only discovered as the jet accelerated towards rotation again. Estonian investigation authority OJK found that, during each landing (3 students doing 3 rounds in total iirc), the instructor pilot had been grasping the trim wheel to prevent the stabilizer from returning to neutral, in order to maintain a take-off setting. Using the wrong oil was not the main cause of the incident, but the poor consolidation logic in the aircraft's trim system was.
Airbus A330: When it was introduced in 1994, the Airbus A330 was equipped with pitot tubes manufactured by Goodrich Sensors and Integrated Systems. A 2001 Airworthiness Directive (AD) required these to be replaced with either a later Goodrich design or with pitot tubes made by Thales. In September 2007, Airbus recommended that Thales C16195AA pitot tube (coincidentally the SAME model used by Air France 447) should be replaced by Thales model C16195BA to address the problem of water ingress (or the ridiculous amount of water intake and the extremely high chance that these pitots could be frozen over in regular flight) that had been observed. These pitots, which were an oversight by Airbus themselves, had also been fitted onto the A320, and A340 series aircrafts.
On June 30, 1994, Airbus Industrie Flight 129, an Airbus A330, crashed at Toulouse-Blagnac while undergoing a test flight to certify its takeoff capability with a single engine failure. Airbus then advised A330 operators to disconnect the autopilot and limit pitch attitude in the event of an engine failure at low speed, when originally they advertised the fact that their autopilot would automatically compensate for engine failure for the pilots itself.
Airbus A350: Having drinks in the cockpit of one had actually been banned before because pilots had accidentally spilled their drinks on the center console of their aircraft, which lead to both engines shutting down on board Delta Airlines and Asiana Airlines A350s, which again, has NEVER happened before.
Airbus A380: Believe it or not, this aircraft has been found to have a major design flaw where the cabin pressure valves could open during flight and cause everyone to go unconscious. Think it's false? Airbus actually went through all the legal proceedings in order to keep this guy quiet, so this couldn't have possibly been false.
www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2005-sep-27-fi-whistleblower27-story.html
The A380 has also been found in the past to have a design flaw where components inside the wings would crack despite the aircraft not being old enough for this to be a possibility (this was the late 2000s and early 2010s, and the aircraft was literally less than a decade out of release by this point).
www.reuters.com/article/business/factory-design-flaws-caused-a380-cracks-idUSTRE80P15D/
You may not have read all this, but if you did, I congratulate you. Anything else you'd like to say?
Hey can you please tell us which game do you use
If it's the computer actually controlling the aircraft, and the pilots controlling the computer, what happens if the computer breaks down? I mean, if it broke down completely, more than it did here? Is there a system where the pilots could take over and control the plane directly? It doesn't sound like it here! It sounds like if the computer is buggered, so is the plane!
And just think soon AI will be piloting.
Reupload😞😒
I'll give this guy again a shout out
www.youtube.com/@MPCFlights
Constant new content, with many lesser known accidents through the ages.
His back catalogue is well worth watching.
Yes
Thanks for that!👍🏻
GREEN DOT AVIATION and DISASTER BREAKDOWN are also good too! Top notch material!!😁👌🏻
@@wikkidfury Allec Joshua Ibay and Mauricio PC (Spanish MPCFlight) as well
This wouldn’t have happened and neither would Air France 447 if they were in planes with mechanically linked yokes.
That statement on the side sticks at 3:38 is a bit incorrect 😢
ADIRU: Hey guys, wanna see something funny?
EGPWS: Probably not..
ADIRU: Ok, im gunna do it!
ECAM: NO!
ADIRU: *nose dives the plane*
Rest of the Flight Systems: STOP IT!
ADIRU: NO! *Does it again*
Rest of the Flight Systems: GODDAMNIT! STOP!
ADIRU: Fiiiiiine, you guys are no fun....
next philippine airlines flight 541
VOEPASS ATR
In the first incident, the Captain was at fault. Why did he initiate his flight inputs when the First Officer was flying. Atleast he could have informed the First Officer of his inputs.
The second incident reminds us of the Max incidents.
"All survived". "Survived", is a relative term. I've heard of people becoming paralyzed for life from things like this. Hope all made fully recoveries.
Now.. just imagine what happens when an AI suddenly get's pissed off or jealous- they've already mentioned their desire to end the human race- no doubt one day, AI will replace pilots, too- or this seems to be the direction they're heading, anyway. Whatcha gonna do as a passenger, when this happens in the future, with no pilot to correct the bad input?
We are going to (1) pilot, not no pilot. The computer will fly the plane and the pilot will address any mistakes. The F/A union has already publicly objected to this system.
@@deepthinker999 Yeah, and the Trucker's Union already objected to driverless trucks... so much for "objections", lol. Pilots belong in pilot seats - Also, there are many situations, where pilots, if not hands on? Have issues picking things up accurately- say in IFR conditions etc, and a pilot finds himself suddenly thrust into an emergency situation.
Computers were meant to be back-up's/aids for pilots, not replacements- but that's just my opinion- if future generations wish to trust themselves to AI, with pilot back ups? Not much either of us can do to help them.
Software developers will be the end of us all.....
wait until AI takes over the world; this will be a pleasant memory.. future is scary
@@DaveDepilot-KFRGSimple solution, AI needs to be outlawed
first one: bad CRM, unlucky to get hit with a microburst on very very short final; just bad luck
second one: scary that a computer can literally point the plane into the ground/water; it's what happened to the two 737Max crashes; and human inputs are ignored
As much as I enjoy your videos, I do wish you wouldn't over-embellesh the still to include flames etc., that simply did not happen.
Plz a new story next time 🙏
Not happening
Boeing payed you right
?
That's the silliest question I've ever heard so far lol 🗿🗿
❤
What you got with Windows XP
Has what to do with any of this?
hi just wondering what flight simulator is this? xp11?
It's Prepar3D, or P3D for short, not X-Plane 11 lol 🙂🙂
@@AviationLoverIndonesia oh thx lol
Time again.
Is this new or reupload?
All FC are now reruns as a double feature. The general consensus is that the FC has been sold to an unknown 3rd Party.
@@deepthinker999 yes I know
I did that
Well, now I’m convinced that the original creator sold the channel until I see a new video done where he uses his voice then that is my conclusion about ready to unsubscribe
The last owner put out a few videos that he narrated. The majority of the viewers weren't keen on it
in the 2nd video. why did you obviously use the French spelling of the word maneuver in the subs?
Narrate these!
Second to comment 🎉
And, BFD.
Lots of A320's crashed when they first came out but conveniently no one remembers. Easier to blame Boeing for everything.
The public has amazingly short memories.
when those accidents are down to pilot error, yeah the public forgets, nevermind the 737NG has it's own history of crashes.
The public remembers when an accident is caused by a part of the plane that forces it into a nosedive (and boeing not bothering to provide the training material on how to turn off mcas, and already having the same problem in simulators), or the quality control issues boeing is currently facing.
Don't shill for airplane companies my friend, their entire priority should be safety above else.
I wish you wouldn't change the scene too much. It takes away from the action.
Whiny re upload comments incoming
Right along with concluded comments they haven't watched a minute of it.
Underrated 😂😂😂
Where is the wrong in calling a reupload...... a reupload! 🙄
Not without cause.
So stating a fact is whiny now?
Two more arguments against fly/ drive by wire. I hate it in my car, I don't trust it on planes. Leave control to trained, intelligent pilots and drivers.
Sure, and make sure pilots don't mess with dual inputs.
and yet, FBW planes have the highest safety records in aviation history for decades by now