You guys are blowing my gosh darn mind... Literally every single upgrade I thought "it sure would be nice if they had _______" you guys just announced this week. Keep up the good work, I'm so stoked!!!
This is freaking awesome! The only thing I'd say is can you do two of them or is it limited to 4 tools total? Still freaking amazing! Great job! This plus the vacuum bed.. you guys are knocking it out.
Looking very handy! Any chance this works on wall mounted setups? Maybe throw in some magnets to hold the collet nuts? I suppose not since spindles aren't supported wall mounted. I need a bigger shop!
I'm keen to see some torture tests, not for kinky reasons, but instead to see how it performs against build up of dust and how dust collection works with the changer.
@@OnefinityCNC If I pre-order this item would that potential solution work with it eventually? Or would that be an alternate future option, and better to wait for that?
Outstanding 1F, bravo! Is there any future in 6 to 8 tools? I can handle most of my work with 4, but do have a growing number of 5 to 7 tool jobs. I'm assuming the pinning and "torquing down" is gonna be on the Masso to control and that if I already have a 2.2kw 80mm spindle from PWN CNC, it will work with this? Cant wait to see some usage videos and see how exactly that thing safely removes and adds tools with pneumatic. Simply innovative, I love the idea.
OK, once I got home I was able to see more on my laptop. I think I found the answers to some of my questions, and some new questions... Answer #1 - the ability to do 6, 8, or even more tools is already supported. Simply add more 4 tool easy ATC's 🙂 Answer #2 - STILL DON'T KNOW, on how exactly this thing safely tightens and untightens Answer #3 - partial answer. Right now, the official answer is that you support the newly released Redline spindles (MUST be 80mm). That doesn't mean you don't support my PWN CNC 80mm 2.2kw spindle, yet. New Question #1 - I would assume, given 1F's relationship with PWNCNC, that a support path here (for a PWN CNC 80mm 2.2kw spindle with 1F Elite Journeyman, and Easy ATC) will happen, is that correct (and when)? If not, you really haven't made ATC a fraction of the price of ATC if it requires us to throw out a thousand dollars worth in perfectly fine working spindle and controller and then have to buy another spindle and controller for $750, that would take us up to 625+1000+750 which is $2,375, which is right up there with a pneumatic ATC. So hopefully, you will at least work on officially approving the use of PWN CNC spindles (min: 80mm I would think)
@OnefinityCNC I've gotta tell you guys, when I saw a post in the forums back in Sept of 2023 from user "BillSpencer86" mentioning rapidchange atc, I looked at it then. I remember thinking it was VERY promising, but didn't know what all would need to be mucked with in the Masso. So glad you guys teamed up with and figured it out. This is EXACTLY the kind of cost efficiency and simplicity we need. It's like OneFinity teamed up with Elon and Vivek and the DOGE to figure out the most simple, effective, and inexpensive way to solve this problem. No dang air compressor running throughout my jobs. Can NOT wait!!!
There’s a bit of irony in one of the stated benefits of not needing pneumatics is reduced noice from the compressor running all the time, while the shot is installing the tool holder on a machine with a vacuum table which would need a compressor running all the time. Well played.
What dust boot would yall recommend with the ATC? I got the Black friday bundle and the suck it dust boot says it doesn’t work with the ATC. Any Recommendations?
Will any testing be done on the PwnCnC Spindles for this? I don't want to invest in a new spindle just for the purpose of having your ATC. This defeats the purposes of being a "fraction of the price" if we're forced into using only the spindle that is being promoted specifically for this application. I understand not offering troubleshooting if issues arise but I'm sure it wouldn't hurt to do some testing for those who've already invested into a PwnCnC spindle and also purchased a machine from Onefinity.
No. The only testing done is with our officially supported and warrantied spindle, Onefinity CNC spindle kit by @redlinecnc . Others may work, but it's a 'use at your own risk' situation.
What about dust or chips getting in the collet? Im worried about galling the threads if a chip gets in there and tightened on. Also dust getting in the collet just causing bad runout because it doesn’t sit in the taper correctly…
I appreciate your innovation and products but this the first time I have had major questions. I just watched the live stream and this is some serious guy I'm a garage with ideas vibe. I love those vibes but this does not seem as robust as other infinity products. This looks 3d printed with questionable long term use. For 1000$ cad I don't see the value. Solid steel rotary vs ATC plastic and ??? For roughly the same price. Please let me know if I'm missing things. Will this be able to cross thread your spindle?
We appreciate the feedback and understand your concerns about the durability! Great thing is you can sit back and let others be the first to buy and see gather their feedback and see if it will be right for you some day or you'd want to go the traditional way. You have options!
The tower covers are 3D printed but are really only a decorative covering and housings for the sensors. The aperatus has been in use for well over 2 years and is as robust as it needs to be. It has been on the market for just over a year and the feedback has been very good. Onefinity has done extesive testing before commiting.
@@RapidChangeATCthank you for the follow up. Its hard to imagine how this is working on the inside. I found some pictures of a metal ring with castle like protrusions. I'm guessing this grabs the collet nut. Are those all secured together?
The only Spindle we can guarantee it works with is ours, the Onefinity Spindle Kit by Redline CNC. It's also the only spindle will will provide troubleshooting with if you have issues. While other spindle brands MAY work, we cannot warranty or troubleshoot the ATC wit them. As long as the spindle uses er20 collets and spins ccw and cw, it SHOULD work.
@@OnefinityCNC The O ring looked kinda high to me. I would always put the shank of the bit further into the collet ? Love all of your releases this week, this is the one I was hoping for but having just received my first cnc this year I'm going to wait for a little bit to get more experience with the basics but this I will definitely be getting.
ok. Interesting part is for me that I had no clue how this thing works until I watched the video. And yes, it uses just the threat on the spindle. Unbelievable. It's a bit like SpaceX catching a rocket stage with chopsticks. Sounds like the idea of a preschool kid.
“I’m not sure if the catch was Musk’s idea. But now that I have your attention :-) , I want to ask: Are you using a special thread pitch on the axis of the spindle? Are there certain limits regarding the speed of the spindle? I mean, it’s not just about the nut staying on; it also has to secure the tool properly.”
@@buettstube It supports standard thread pitch for the spindles no special equipment is necessary. There is an upper limit to spindle speed which determines the torque on the nut. Onefinity has gathered a lot of data and there is a PDF available on the forum.
@theebalz if you have an Elite Journeyman or Foreman, you can already do tiling. One of the reasons I got the Journeyman is for it's 4 foot width and ability to do longer Y using tiling. So when I built my table, I put leveling locking wheels on it so I could work with 4x8 sheets. Grants it's an extra step. So far the 2 times I've used tiling I haven't noticed the point of the tile changes (though highly recommend you have a good system to feed and stabikize the 4x8 sheet and square it). You could technically build a table that has 4 foot table extension out the front and back for when you need to do 4x8 sheets. Possibly even an extendible roller system. For me, I just don't need to exceed 32"x48" hardly ever. It would be nice to be able to just put a 4x8 sheet down and do several projects from it, but that is a luxury cost I can't justify. So I cut my sheets down to 32x48 and that works 99% of the time so far. If you have a cabinet shop and have the space for a dedicated 4x8 CNC, you may want to consider a different cnc solution. But if you are like me, look up "Tiling" or how to tile
Good Grief! You guys are crushing it. So many new amazing products in less than a week!
We're glad you're excited!
You guys are blowing my gosh darn mind... Literally every single upgrade I thought "it sure would be nice if they had _______" you guys just announced this week. Keep up the good work, I'm so stoked!!!
Love it! Another awesome collaboration and product launch!
Thanks, Ham!
When is the review coming out?
I knew it! By how evase you were yesterday... Hehe. Glad to hear we have a tool changer now. 🥰
Glad to be able to show it off now!
Totally awesome, I guess I need to build more stuff so I can upgrade everything. ❤
It’s a game changer!
I don't understand how it figures out how tight to make the collet. But I'm sure smarter people than me have figured it out. I want!!
Thats pretty innovative! Id love to see it in action.
We're working hard on making more action videos. Rapdichange has a bunch on their site!
That’s a unique approach. I’m interested to find out how it knows to torque the collect nut correctly
The forum has the torque data we've done!
This is freaking awesome! The only thing I'd say is can you do two of them or is it limited to 4 tools total? Still freaking amazing! Great job! This plus the vacuum bed.. you guys are knocking it out.
You can buy more than one and link them together to as many as will fit on your machine!
Jeeeeesus my wife is going to hate my Christmas wishlist this year.
Happy wife, happy life!
Looking very handy! Any chance this works on wall mounted setups? Maybe throw in some magnets to hold the collet nuts? I suppose not since spindles aren't supported wall mounted. I need a bigger shop!
No, it will NOT work with wall mounted setups! Sorry!
@@OnefinityCNC does the pwcnc atc solution work with wall mounted setup?
@@thiagocrepaldi3655 You cannot use the ATC on the wall.
Take my money!
Gladly! :P
The problem I see with that setup is dust or chips getting in the collets. It needs some type of dust shield. 😮
The dust boot will suck up all the chips in the holders.
I'm keen to see some torture tests, not for kinky reasons, but instead to see how it performs against build up of dust and how dust collection works with the changer.
It's been tested and works great with dust collection!
Looks pretty awesome. I assume you can't use any tools with a larger diameter than the collet nut, so probably no 1.5" vbits?
A solution is underway for oversized bits
It's being worked on to see if a solution will work in the future!
@@OnefinityCNC If I pre-order this item would that potential solution work with it eventually? Or would that be an alternate future option, and better to wait for that?
🤯🤯🤯
Take my money!
My wife said yes already! 😂😂😂
Outstanding 1F, bravo!
Is there any future in 6 to 8 tools? I can handle most of my work with 4, but do have a growing number of 5 to 7 tool jobs.
I'm assuming the pinning and "torquing down" is gonna be on the Masso to control and that if I already have a 2.2kw 80mm spindle from PWN CNC, it will work with this?
Cant wait to see some usage videos and see how exactly that thing safely removes and adds tools with pneumatic.
Simply innovative, I love the idea.
You can combine two tool racks for up to 8 tools!
OK, once I got home I was able to see more on my laptop. I think I found the answers to some of my questions, and some new questions...
Answer #1 - the ability to do 6, 8, or even more tools is already supported. Simply add more 4 tool easy ATC's 🙂
Answer #2 - STILL DON'T KNOW, on how exactly this thing safely tightens and untightens
Answer #3 - partial answer. Right now, the official answer is that you support the newly released Redline spindles (MUST be 80mm). That doesn't mean you don't support my PWN CNC 80mm 2.2kw spindle, yet.
New Question #1 - I would assume, given 1F's relationship with PWNCNC, that a support path here (for a PWN CNC 80mm 2.2kw spindle with 1F Elite Journeyman, and Easy ATC) will happen, is that correct (and when)? If not, you really haven't made ATC a fraction of the price of ATC if it requires us to throw out a thousand dollars worth in perfectly fine working spindle and controller and then have to buy another spindle and controller for $750, that would take us up to 625+1000+750 which is $2,375, which is right up there with a pneumatic ATC. So hopefully, you will at least work on officially approving the use of PWN CNC spindles (min: 80mm I would think)
@@Hangs4Fun It should work fine with the PWN Spindle.
@OnefinityCNC I've gotta tell you guys, when I saw a post in the forums back in Sept of 2023 from user "BillSpencer86" mentioning rapidchange atc, I looked at it then.
I remember thinking it was VERY promising, but didn't know what all would need to be mucked with in the Masso.
So glad you guys teamed up with and figured it out.
This is EXACTLY the kind of cost efficiency and simplicity we need. It's like OneFinity teamed up with Elon and Vivek and the DOGE to figure out the most simple, effective, and inexpensive way to solve this problem.
No dang air compressor running throughout my jobs.
Can NOT wait!!!
My brain is frying with all the new things from Onefinity.🤪
There’s a bit of irony in one of the stated benefits of not needing pneumatics is reduced noice from the compressor running all the time, while the shot is installing the tool holder on a machine with a vacuum table which would need a compressor running all the time. Well played.
Good eye, that's a good point! :P
What dust boot would yall recommend with the ATC? I got the Black friday bundle and the suck it dust boot says it doesn’t work with the ATC. Any Recommendations?
Our SUCK IT SM atc compatible boot will be up for preorder soon! Keep an eye out on our socials!
Will any testing be done on the PwnCnC Spindles for this? I don't want to invest in a new spindle just for the purpose of having your ATC. This defeats the purposes of being a "fraction of the price" if we're forced into using only the spindle that is being promoted specifically for this application. I understand not offering troubleshooting if issues arise but I'm sure it wouldn't hurt to do some testing for those who've already invested into a PwnCnC spindle and also purchased a machine from Onefinity.
No. The only testing done is with our officially supported and warrantied spindle, Onefinity CNC spindle kit by @redlinecnc . Others may work, but it's a 'use at your own risk' situation.
What about dust or chips getting in the collet? Im worried about galling the threads if a chip gets in there and tightened on. Also dust getting in the collet just causing bad runout because it doesn’t sit in the taper correctly…
The dust boot would suck out the chips before it loads the bit.
@ I hope its that simple
I appreciate your innovation and products but this the first time I have had major questions. I just watched the live stream and this is some serious guy I'm a garage with ideas vibe.
I love those vibes but this does not seem as robust as other infinity products. This looks 3d printed with questionable long term use. For 1000$ cad I don't see the value. Solid steel rotary vs ATC plastic and ??? For roughly the same price.
Please let me know if I'm missing things. Will this be able to cross thread your spindle?
We appreciate the feedback and understand your concerns about the durability! Great thing is you can sit back and let others be the first to buy and see gather their feedback and see if it will be right for you some day or you'd want to go the traditional way. You have options!
The tower covers are 3D printed but are really only a decorative covering and housings for the sensors. The aperatus has been in use for well over 2 years and is as robust as it needs to be. It has been on the market for just over a year and the feedback has been very good. Onefinity has done extesive testing before commiting.
@@RapidChangeATCthank you for the follow up. Its hard to imagine how this is working on the inside. I found some pictures of a metal ring with castle like protrusions. I'm guessing this grabs the collet nut. Are those all secured together?
Wicked 🤘 Now how about that 4x8 😉
Oh good idea! :P
I'll need you guys to make these new addons a bundle kit so I will have less time second guessing my purchase with each click adding indvidually😆
Does the rapidchange ATC work on a wall mount setup (vertical mount)?
No, ATC cannot be used on the wall.
How many of these can you mount on the QCW frame of a Foreman sized unit?
we've tested 2. Possibly 3.
So this approach requires a touch off after each change? Let's say I prefer ISO-30 or ISO-20 over this.
Yes, it will touch off of the tool setter after each change. It will not work with ISO tool racks
Ohhhh heck yesssss
Yes!
Does it work with pwn spindle setup
The only Spindle we can guarantee it works with is ours, the Onefinity Spindle Kit by Redline CNC. It's also the only spindle will will provide troubleshooting with if you have issues. While other spindle brands MAY work, we cannot warranty or troubleshoot the ATC wit them. As long as the spindle uses er20 collets and spins ccw and cw, it SHOULD work.
Will it work with the redline 65 spindle you're going to sell on monday
It will not, it will only work with spindles with ER20 collets
Yesssss🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉!!!!!
Does this only work with a PWN spindle or only the Redline spindle?
Don't see why it wouldn't work for both!
Both
That's a vague response. I am interested if it runs with both r dline spindles
Damn it, my wallet couldn't take the first two announcements, and now this?!
Worth every penny!
What's the o-ring on the tool shank for?
setting the bit height.
@@OnefinityCNC The O ring looked kinda high to me. I would always put the shank of the bit further into the collet ? Love all of your releases this week, this is the one I was hoping for but having just received my first cnc this year I'm going to wait for a little bit to get more experience with the basics but this I will definitely be getting.
@@alanmackenzie8312 Yeah, height was just for video purposes.
Nice ! Plz cut it in half and make video for understand
It's all in the video!
Well dam Onefinity has been hard at work with product development.
We are worn out! Phew!
😱yesss
Woooooo!
My wallet would like you to stop... it can only handle so much... 😂
That's cool and all ...but it makes me nervous .....
No worries!
@@OnefinityCNC That motor better have some serious ass behind it.
ok. Interesting part is for me that I had no clue how this thing works until I watched the video. And yes, it uses just the threat on the spindle. Unbelievable. It's a bit like SpaceX catching a rocket stage with chopsticks. Sounds like the idea of a preschool kid.
Good equation! It's groundbreaking!
Well Elon Musk is a genius. I was just crazy enough to take a preschool kid idea and try it out. (I got lucky LOL)
“I’m not sure if the catch was Musk’s idea. But now that I have your attention :-) , I want to ask: Are you using a special thread pitch on the axis of the spindle? Are there certain limits regarding the speed of the spindle? I mean, it’s not just about the nut staying on; it also has to secure the tool properly.”
@@buettstube It supports standard thread pitch for the spindles no special equipment is necessary. There is an upper limit to spindle speed which determines the torque on the nut. Onefinity has gathered a lot of data and there is a PDF available on the forum.
@@RapidChangeATC Interesting. Thank you for the Information.
Whaaaaaaat
Yes!
The ATC is great. I could have done without the vacuum table for a 4x8 in size instead. 🫤
1F says "hold my beer", based on quickly, they pulled this off. There should be a launch video Monday with your request, haha
@Hangs4Fun I pray you're right.
@theebalz if you have an Elite Journeyman or Foreman, you can already do tiling.
One of the reasons I got the Journeyman is for it's 4 foot width and ability to do longer Y using tiling. So when I built my table, I put leveling locking wheels on it so I could work with 4x8 sheets.
Grants it's an extra step. So far the 2 times I've used tiling I haven't noticed the point of the tile changes (though highly recommend you have a good system to feed and stabikize the 4x8 sheet and square it).
You could technically build a table that has 4 foot table extension out the front and back for when you need to do 4x8 sheets. Possibly even an extendible roller system.
For me, I just don't need to exceed 32"x48" hardly ever. It would be nice to be able to just put a 4x8 sheet down and do several projects from it, but that is a luxury cost I can't justify. So I cut my sheets down to 32x48 and that works 99% of the time so far.
If you have a cabinet shop and have the space for a dedicated 4x8 CNC, you may want to consider a different cnc solution.
But if you are like me, look up "Tiling" or how to tile
:P
@OnefinityCNC being honest.
I thought that's the point in today's world.