Kaikhosru Sorabji: Le Jardin Parfumé (Eric Xi Xin Liang)

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  • @lex.cordis
    @lex.cordis 11 місяців тому +19

    After Allan Holdsworth, this is probably the best music I've ever heard. I'm absolutely in love.

  • @brawldude2656
    @brawldude2656 2 роки тому +46

    This something beyond "I paid the whole piano" situation

  • @Dylonely_9274
    @Dylonely_9274 3 роки тому +151

    Which key is your piece in ?
    Sorabji : Yes

  • @pianomanhere
    @pianomanhere 2 роки тому +49

    My God, Eric. How in the bloody hell have i missed your channel until today ? Your Sorabji interpretations are sublime. Please keep posting them. Aging Boomers such as I can rest assured that since most of us, frankly, can't play Sorabji for shit, you younger generations can offer great performances and carry the torch forward for this great composer's music.

  • @teodorb.p.composer
    @teodorb.p.composer 7 місяців тому +11

    This is so stunning, exstatic and eccentric piece, Sorabjji is the most misuderstood composer!

  • @MrInterestingthings
    @MrInterestingthings Рік тому +8

    I dismissed Sorabji out of hand without really knowing him and now I hear a light not as searing or Catholic as Messiaen but more free more wonderful . I see how Sorabji becomes a fetisch or passion . It has jazz harmonies and timings and rhythms out of this world . Finally " this is what I have been looking or ! 1923. I would hope Busoni realized how great Sorabji and Scriabin were : two geniuses as unlike as can be imagined but toward new worlds !

    • @Musicforever60
      @Musicforever60  Рік тому +4

      Busoni actually inspired Sorabji's Opus Clavicembalisticum! And if you felt inspired to listen to more music by Sorabji, I've recorded over 20 pieces/movements by Sorabji in this playlist!
      ua-cam.com/play/PLIDZcmE0XODBZjc2ISVcJB9--pTWaWRME.html

  • @RivièreChalumeauCauchemarLOL
    @RivièreChalumeauCauchemarLOL Місяць тому +3

    This is exactly the type of music that I love! 😁dissonant, dreamy, atmospheric ❤🎹

  • @positive.juice.apartment
    @positive.juice.apartment 11 місяців тому +4

    amazing stuff. there's too many gorgeous parts to this piece to point out but i especially love how much some sections in the high register remind me of raindrops, or shimmering "glitter" if that even makes sense lol
    9:10 and 10:33 are my favorites

  • @mgconlan
    @mgconlan 2 роки тому +15

    Wonderful! The place sounds like Debussy on LSD.

    • @m.a.g.3920
      @m.a.g.3920 11 місяців тому +2

      Hahaha 😂 more like Debussy on a bad trip...

  • @sebastian.sem.9
    @sebastian.sem.9 Рік тому +4

    Exquisite performance! Bravo!

  • @AnatoArchives
    @AnatoArchives 3 роки тому +42

    Although not quite melodically predictable, it's calming. Good work!

    • @Musicforever60
      @Musicforever60  3 роки тому +23

      Kii-chan「きい」 Thanks! It's a trait that takes getting used to, but, as always, it's nice to think about how removing the assumed conventions of "normal" music can surprisingly produce music that is still enjoyable and perhaps enlightening 😃

    • @AnatoArchives
      @AnatoArchives 3 роки тому +8

      @@Musicforever60 The art of creativity and uniqueity is what makes music beautiful. I'm looking forward to more of your content!

  • @AsrielKujo
    @AsrielKujo 3 роки тому +26

    Amazing! Brilliant playing i wish i could play 😡

  • @themusicprofessor
    @themusicprofessor Рік тому +7

    10:12 Berg's Violin Concerto!

  • @Ivan_1791
    @Ivan_1791 3 роки тому +10

    Mindblowing to play this.

  • @j.rohmann3199
    @j.rohmann3199 3 роки тому +8

    What a beautiful performance.
    Respect for that. Really, wonderfully played!

  • @mehernowroji5929
    @mehernowroji5929 2 роки тому +5

    My first time listening to a Sorabji, whom i heard of thru Igor Levit. Yes interpretation lucid and amazing

  • @2011persol
    @2011persol 3 роки тому +4

    just friggin awesome to watch.....HIGH QUALITY in every regard! .....Welcome to SORABJI'S strange universe!

  • @Calagat
    @Calagat 3 роки тому +6

    Outstanding....Love those triplets around the 10 minute mark.The build up and the dissolve.Its like a thought process testing an idea.All things diminish but the pedagory of the idea remains and renews.Great playing Eric.

  • @johnlindstrom9994
    @johnlindstrom9994 3 роки тому +8

    Echoes of our coming out of water onto land, once upon a time.

  • @DanSatoPiano
    @DanSatoPiano 3 роки тому +9

    Wow... that was incredible!!! Bravo!! (One of these days, I'd like to learn it in 76 hours!)

  • @tikhonbogomolets2740
    @tikhonbogomolets2740 3 роки тому +7

    Hi Eric, I admire how you interpret Le Jardin Parfumee. Bravo! Keep up the great work and don't let the detractors get under your skin - I would love to see the detractors post their interpretation of Le Jardin... XD

  • @Mathieu_Poirier_Piano
    @Mathieu_Poirier_Piano 3 роки тому +6

    Phenomenal performance, Eric! You really bring out the beauty of every harmony and shape the phrases so sensitively. This is a huge inspiration to finally start learning some Sorabji! Greetings from a fellow Canadian/enthusiast of lesser-known repertoire!

    • @Musicforever60
      @Musicforever60  3 роки тому +3

      @Mathieu Poirier Thank you! Discovering this piece revealed to me that Sorabji is more musically accessible than the overall impression his sonatas and Opus Clavicembalistum put forth. Though, unfortunately, from recent search, I have found that there is only a very small handful of pieces by Sorabji that are as musically accessible as this one 😔

    • @Mathieu_Poirier_Piano
      @Mathieu_Poirier_Piano 3 роки тому +1

      @@Musicforever60 Yeah, absolutely! I think a lot of people interested in getting into his music are told to go listen to OC first because it's his most famous piece and then are scared away within five minutes (or 30 seconds, depending on their tolerance for dissonance). Pieces like this beautiful nocturne you played would be a much smoother introduction to his music for most people. I'll certainly be recommending this recording as a starting place to anyone interested in Sorabji in the future!

    • @op-th1yx
      @op-th1yx 3 роки тому +2

      @@Mathieu_Poirier_Piano i think for a generally more smooth and best possible transition in to the worlds of these type of composers, is to listen to different composers that have this unique harmony at different levels. If someone has only listened to Chopin, and romantic music, I would start with something impressionistic, perhaps ravel. Then I would go to maybe mid Scriabin, and Prokofievs concertos, and then toward the more obscure ones such as late Scriabin, ginastera, ligeti and other modernistic composers. That would be the perfect route if you ask me🤩

    • @op-th1yx
      @op-th1yx 3 роки тому +1

      It also gives a good sense of the music, and you get a taste of everything!

    • @Musicforever60
      @Musicforever60  3 роки тому +3

      @Duen Absolutely! That makes a lot of sense. It was a slightly different journey for me (possibly because our musical tastes are slightly different), so Chopin -> Brahms -> Rachmaninoff -> Ravel -> Scriabin -> Prokofiev -> Medtner -> Feinberg -> (Kapustin??? for some reason) -> Roslavets -> Ives -> (other 20th century composers) -> Sorabji. In retrospect, there would have been no way for me to make the direct jump from Scriabin to any composers past Kapustin.

  • @thenameisgsarci
    @thenameisgsarci 3 роки тому +9

    Nice one! :D

  • @GUILLOM
    @GUILLOM 3 роки тому +15

    EPIC

  • @Quicktwister
    @Quicktwister 2 роки тому +4

    This performance is amazing!! (not to mention your extraordinary sight-reading skills) I can’t believe I only heard about Sorabji from your channel.. but I guess his unique take on composing garnered him a selected audience.
    I kinda like to think of his works as paintings covered in lines and splotches by a professional artist. They seem very cluttered with no sense of direction, but there’s certain sections that stand out in a way that gets your attention and makes you sit and admire it (Polychords/rhythms and the shift between so many octaves as examples). Nonetheless, I gotta say that your channel is incredibly underrated and I’ll be looking forward to your future videos!!!

    • @Musicforever60
      @Musicforever60  2 роки тому

      Thanks! :) Btw, check out my full playlist of my performances of Sorabji's works here: ua-cam.com/play/PLIDZcmE0XODBZjc2ISVcJB9--pTWaWRME.html

  • @wcsxwcsx
    @wcsxwcsx 2 роки тому +10

    The lush interpretation that Sorabji would have liked.
    You really should get one of those computer tablets that displays sheet music, to overcome the page turning problem. I mean, you're the computer guy.

    • @Musicforever60
      @Musicforever60  2 роки тому +2

      @UpAndOut Ya I can definitely consider that in the future

  • @gentle_goy23432
    @gentle_goy23432 Рік тому +4

    Прекрасное исполнение прекрасного произведения.

  • @Mr.Dziej72
    @Mr.Dziej72 2 роки тому +6

    Exhilarating! And certainly on a par with Yonty Solomon's recording.

    • @philipconnelly1505
      @philipconnelly1505 11 місяців тому

      Yonty was my teacher. He gave me a copy of his recording, which I still hold dear.

  • @scriabinismydog2439
    @scriabinismydog2439 3 роки тому +7

    Great!

  • @ilmarirautio2229
    @ilmarirautio2229 9 місяців тому +3

    Your Sorabji is an revelation for me.
    Thank you!
    Are you interested to play Scelsi?
    I imagine they could win from your attitude.

    • @Musicforever60
      @Musicforever60  9 місяців тому +2

      Yes, I'm already aware and interested in Scelsi's music!

  • @Palermo.340
    @Palermo.340 2 роки тому +2

    Beatiful!

  • @leecherlarry
    @leecherlarry 3 роки тому +5

    You're the best! Thanks for sharing, terrific performance! Loving it 💖

  • @rajatchowdhury4511
    @rajatchowdhury4511 3 роки тому +32

    How did you learn it so quickly?! That’s actually mental. What’s your process for learning new music?

    • @Musicforever60
      @Musicforever60  3 роки тому +54

      @Rajat Chowdhury There's a lot of things that makes it possible for me to learn pieces quickly, but the general idea is making abstractions of sequences of chords, intervals, and scale-like passages, while also finding particular aspects of the music that can be simplified to aid music reading. As well, if you can imagine a step-by-step process that most people go through to learn and refine a piece, I typically parallelize all the steps to speed up everything. Lastly, there's just the decade of practical experience I have with sight-reading and sense of musicality I've acquired through formal direction from teachers. Since most of what I just said is very unspecific, I plan in the future to make a video where I explain how I approach learning pieces :)
      UPDATE: ua-cam.com/video/ojlSCDF8wiE/v-deo.html

  • @aapkisehelimehar8138
    @aapkisehelimehar8138 2 роки тому +3

    Wow so nice ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

  • @ciel777_
    @ciel777_ 2 роки тому +1

    what a beautiful performance ! personally, i don’t really enjoy sorabji’s harmonic and melodic language (i prefer that of scriabin) but i love the sound of this piece in particular to my ears. this is no doubt helped by your amazing piano playing, so thank you very much !
    side note: that rh rhythm at about 16:16 really reminded me of the rh rhythms in ravel’s ondine :0

  • @driemaaldrommels
    @driemaaldrommels 3 роки тому +2

    Bravo!!

  • @themoonfleesthroughclouds
    @themoonfleesthroughclouds 3 роки тому +10

    there is some way sorabji wrote music which makes it feel different to other twentieth-century music. i can't put my finger on it...

    • @Musicforever60
      @Musicforever60  3 роки тому +7

      @hsan my thoughts are maybe there's a lack of _apparent_ intentional structure to the music. as well, there's basically no tonal centre to the piece as it meanders through with polychords. it's the fact that the sequences of polychords work surprisingly well that, for me, makes sorabji's music particularly outstanding

    • @themoonfleesthroughclouds
      @themoonfleesthroughclouds 3 роки тому +1

      @Ramen agreed.

  • @yeetthebeet
    @yeetthebeet 3 роки тому +3

    wow amazing

    • @yeetthebeet
      @yeetthebeet 3 роки тому

      do u have a discord lorentz asriel kujo and guilliom was asking you to join our discord server but they didn't know your tag lol discord.gg/KSRUPGAf

    • @solarean
      @solarean 3 роки тому

      @@yeetthebeet epico

    • @yeetthebeet
      @yeetthebeet 3 роки тому

      @@solarean epico epicoo

  • @mitchell-bt3tj
    @mitchell-bt3tj 3 роки тому +2

    Amazing. Already Subbed.

  • @CatkhosruShapurrjiFurabji
    @CatkhosruShapurrjiFurabji 3 роки тому +2

    Perfect!

  • @FoziCoD
    @FoziCoD 3 роки тому +2

    Woah.. bravo.

  • @JAndrade96
    @JAndrade96 3 роки тому +5

    Por lo general no suelo escuchar piezas de gran duración por que no tengo el tiempo para escuchar si me gustan y entenderlas, pero con los primeros cuatro minutos ya me engancho, aunque aún no estoy tan acostumbrado a Sorabji con esta composición puedo entenderla un poco mas y disfrutarla y muchas gracias por tu gran interpretación ♥️

    • @Musicforever60
      @Musicforever60  3 роки тому +2

      @JAndrade 96 I hope I got the right translation from your words so I can say that it's wonderful that you're able to open up to this music! Thanks for listening!

    • @davidlicea9192
      @davidlicea9192 3 роки тому

      @@Musicforever60 I'll translate it
      He said: "Generally I don't often listen to long duration pieces because I don't have time to know if I like them or understand them, but I was hooked in the first four minutes, although I'm not used to Sorabji's music with this composition I can understand and enjoy it a little bit more, and thanks for your interpretation

  • @EfrainTheGr8
    @EfrainTheGr8 2 роки тому +97

    le jardín parfumé sounds so gay and i love it

  • @ValzainLumivix
    @ValzainLumivix 3 роки тому +3

    Nice

  • @djha4287
    @djha4287 Рік тому

    Exquisite... and sickening at the same time... That was the first time I listened to Sorabji (I was curious about the title). A bit disturbed..

  • @TheModicaLiszt
    @TheModicaLiszt 3 роки тому +7

    Oh wow 😩😩😩 Your playing of Sorabji’s music is soooo good. Marry me please?❤️

  • @jonathancourbet
    @jonathancourbet 3 роки тому +3

    Holy fuck this is amazing

  • @bjornviir3333
    @bjornviir3333 2 роки тому +1

    only 38 hrs....wow, might take 300hrs or more for average people....i like chopin and liszt but now i prefer to listen to less mainstream stuff like this and Ligeti, Xenakis and Shoenberg and Scriabin of course. Have you tried Sorabji sonata 1, i am in love with it....looks very hard, cant find a score for it either.

    • @Musicforever60
      @Musicforever60  2 роки тому +1

      @bjorn viir nice! always great to hear people expanding their musical tastes. i've definitely sight-read through sonata 1, but i think it's low in priority for pieces i would want to learn by Sorabji. it's just a bit too jazzy for my tastes now haha

  • @perrymoskowitz5579
    @perrymoskowitz5579 2 роки тому +1

    Does anyone know where I can find the score for this piece?

  • @philosophicallyspeaking6463
    @philosophicallyspeaking6463 3 роки тому +13

    Hi Eric,
    I never mentioned Sorabji to you because, knowing that you have a taste for such things, and the technique necessary to entertain and explore the 'rabbit hole' of his music (which is beyond the casual means of most of my students) in addition to the mind necessary to its consumption, digestion, metabolization, and musical excretion, I feared you would be too much taken with his music, and I hoped you would concentrate on the standard repertoire in pursuit of a concert career. It seems that I was right! Somehow then it is poetic that you have found him anyway. I am at once...disappointed, for what is still lost (to computer science), and delighted, for what is found.
    As always, as a performer, you are invisible: A window unto the music; there is just the music, without advertisement or imposition of unintended tension (come more typically the cost of mortal effort: physical, emotional, psychological or intellectual) that is not intended for having been writ into the music. As such, there is no actual 'performance' to invite commentary, there is just the music, which you have realized without the unwanted subtractive effect caused by the imposition of conceit, born or performer 'interpretation'.
    Few as they are who can play the notes, even fewer are they than reign in their celebrity (or want of it) ego's to realize the obligation to reach only for the 'composer's' musical intent, without supplanting, overwriting, scarring or participating in it themselves by means of their own 'soft' inventive mediocrity. As you may remember of me, I do not believe in interpretation, just realization. Every piece has a...'groove': a place, a tempo, a space it needs to occupy. As a performer, you win no fan's for yourself when you reliably find this place (except those who are impressed by technique, because they don't have it) for disappearing into the music.
    Realized in this way, the music becomes...accessible in a way that it is not otherwise. It finds 'it's' groove' rather than being forced into the performers, where it is always a poor fit. But the truth is, most concert goers are not music lovers, they are lovers of the musical 'super-hero' who wrestles and subjugates the music to his will. In that respect, they are no different from sports enthusiasts, who long to participate in exceptionalism themselves, hence 'fans'! The performer that succeeds musically is only ever due...gratitude. So...thanks!

    • @Musicforever60
      @Musicforever60  3 роки тому +3

      @Philosophically Speaking Thanks for reaching out and I appreciate your renewed thoughts on these same matters from many years ago! It's really only been the past two years when I've woven myself back into the ecosystem of piano music, starting with inspiration from Medtner's music, then onto the music of various other post-Romantic era composers, finally somewhat plateauing at Sorabji's music, partly because his music is demanding much more time from me to learn.
      I believe that this journey I took would hardly have been possible in the same time if I had pursued a career in piano performance, due to mainstream adherence to standard repertoire and its obsession with competitions. As well, since I had already established the habits of intellectual pursuit in secondary school, sticking with standard repertoire would have intellectually dulling, among the elements of other opinions I have of it. So, perhaps I have reduced opportunity now to more greatly publicize my work because I don't have the political and financial backing from a reputable music institution, but I have exceedingly satisfied my intellectual needs with regards to the pure and empirical sciences, and music. Furthermore, I've dug myself a niche in this industry, pushing out quality and re-envisioned recordings of a hardly performed composer's works. So, I suppose, I took a calculated maneuver which resulted in the loss of some superficial benefits (though, I do regret not having some these benefits), but gained a unique freedom to explore my own potential to the fullest extent.
      The transparency or emotional detachment that you speak of with regards to piano performance is a feature that has been reinforced by you in the past and instinctively sensed by me as well. I do believe that music should speak for itself without its entanglement with a performer's "interpretation". Though, it should be the case that the music is interpreted, and not taken at face value as it is written. Thus, it becomes an exercise of discovering the delineation between what amount of deviation from the score is stylistic and what is excessive, enough to distract a listener from the seeming incorporealness of the source of the music. That, with many recent insights, I've found to be related to the degree of importance/emphasis a performer assigns to each note they play in correspondence with what the piece of music deserves as a coherent whole, which in turn is decided by factors of pacing and shaping of the notes. It's easy to cross the line, but it's also easy to play the music at face value as well, but I believe the superior recording will meet near the boundary of such threshold.
      Anyway, these are just some thoughts I have on your comment, not a dispute or criticism, but elaboration and presentation of my perspective on things. It is great hearing from you again and if you have any other comments to follow up, feel free to respond! I actually reached out to you on your channel because I had important topics I wanted to discuss with you which are irrelevant to this discussion. If you're comfortable with this, please fill out this Google Forms here for contact info: forms.gle/Rjvgh1aVrRcC1gds9 . Thanks!

  • @verslaflamme8185
    @verslaflamme8185 3 роки тому +2

    wow

  • @Fasodo
    @Fasodo Рік тому +6

    This is literally me when I experiment on composing.

    • @Dylonely_9274
      @Dylonely_9274 Рік тому

      😂

    • @m.a.g.3920
      @m.a.g.3920 11 місяців тому +1

      Exactly, and that's exactly the reason why this is technically amazing but poor in other aspects. I feel like he doesn't have any Melody in his mind, just colorful musical ramblings.

  • @mckernan603
    @mckernan603 3 роки тому +5

    What the devil!

    • @Musicforever60
      @Musicforever60  3 роки тому +9

      @Patrick McKernan no, no devil here 🙂 only transcendent music

    • @mckernan603
      @mckernan603 2 роки тому

      @@Musicforever60 I'm impressed!

    • @theyabib3323
      @theyabib3323 Рік тому

      He's on another level,

    • @theyabib3323
      @theyabib3323 Рік тому

      It's a word! No, a name! MF - the Super-Villain!

  • @Medtszkowski
    @Medtszkowski 3 роки тому +1

    Subbed.

  • @Mary.ua.
    @Mary.ua. 3 роки тому +1

    o m g

  • @pyramo3170
    @pyramo3170 Рік тому

    Long shot but where did you get the sheet music?

  • @danielwalker2381
    @danielwalker2381 Місяць тому

    38 hours to learn and refine?!?????????????????? WTF HOW 😭 my adhd would have me taking years just to learn and refine this. I barely do any real practice so that also doesn’t help lmao

  • @sigil5772
    @sigil5772 9 місяців тому

    I love Sorabji, but for once I'd like to hear it in strict time, with a metronome 😆😆😆

    • @Musicforever60
      @Musicforever60  9 місяців тому +4

      that would make no sense, like asking someone to play Chopin or Debussy strictly by metronome

    • @sigil5772
      @sigil5772 9 місяців тому

      @@Musicforever60 hence the three laugh emoji

  • @lukerichmond1319
    @lukerichmond1319 3 роки тому +2

    This is beautiful a beautiful piece and beautiful playing but I feel like it is where sorabji should "stop". Creating faster runs more polyphony and polyrhythms for virtuosity does not start making your piece amazing it just confuses the listener and blurs the line to what is emotion and musical genius and what is just a bundle of notes

    • @Musicforever60
      @Musicforever60  3 роки тому +6

      @Luke Richmond Maybe a month before I made this recording, I may have thought the same. Then, 7 months later I recorded and posted Gulistān, by Sorabji, which has much higher polyphonic density. I honestly like it more than Le Jardin Parfumé, and people seem to arrive on that consensus as well for those who aged with Sorabji's music. My point is, sometimes it takes time for certain pieces of music to start to become favourable. There is not mass hysteria by a great number of people and Sorabji did not recklessly construct his works. I find that pieces that demand an elevated degree of musical comprehension will satisfyingly become clearer over time as to their compositional intentions, and will retain interest for longer, given a person with a growth mindset

  • @Ale-qf1pm
    @Ale-qf1pm 3 роки тому +18

    Kudos for managing to play such a ridiculously difficult piece so well and with such clarity

  • @lucaslorentz
    @lucaslorentz 3 роки тому +3

    Ye better then habberman (as i was expecting lol) but for me solomon still the top 1 but great work anyway

    • @isokani
      @isokani 3 роки тому +2

      I haven't recorded it!

    • @lucaslorentz
      @lucaslorentz 3 роки тому +1

      @@isokani u did lol

    • @isokani
      @isokani 3 роки тому +1

      @@lucaslorentz Well, as far as you're concerned I haven't because the one version I have made is not even fully edited, let alone commercially available. So if you have it, you shouldn't! And what's your real name?

    • @lucaslorentz
      @lucaslorentz 3 роки тому +2

      @@isokani y should i tell you also if u look at the comment section u can see that im not the only one who have heard your version go ask their names 2

    • @isokani
      @isokani 3 роки тому +1

      @@lucaslorentz Err, see below.

  • @handledav
    @handledav Рік тому +2

    y

  • @handledav
    @handledav Рік тому +1

    Λά γαρδϊναε λόν ´ρπταθέξ.

  • @primitivearts8868
    @primitivearts8868 10 місяців тому

    Could be an improvisation.

  • @gustavoflorio5383
    @gustavoflorio5383 2 роки тому +1

    Machine Gun Tremolo

    • @Musicforever60
      @Musicforever60  2 роки тому +3

      See here for even more insane tremolo-ing 😂: ua-cam.com/video/iMDKo4EB1Bo/v-deo.html

  • @hayatara.
    @hayatara. 8 місяців тому

    The heroin OST

  • @Piotr-jx4bu
    @Piotr-jx4bu 8 місяців тому

    Gulistan is better

  • @berryyy0
    @berryyy0 2 роки тому +1

    Wow you played nicely but that piece makes no sense