Skeptics test the FEDERAL FORCE X2 Split Buckshot Rounds
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- Опубліковано 16 жов 2024
- "Don't judge a book by it's cover." That's something we are all taught. In the case of "fancy" ammo, you shouldn't let the illustrations on the box fool you either. There are plenty of companies that want to separate you from your money. We were VERY skeptical about this ammo. Federal's own video for this just used computer generated imagery to show how it worked. The pellets in that video and on the box looked nothing like the pellets in the shells. Every indicator was there to trigger the BS alarm.
We are not sponsored by anyone, including Federal.
Currently, this is only available in 12ga. But I have good news for 20 ga. and 410 owners. 12ga shotguns are pretty cheap.
In this video we test the patterns, test them against different types of medium, including a 16" Clear Ballistics gel which cost $140 and is pretty much contaminated now.
OG's Danger Show channel:
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A couple of decent dirty jokes & a solid Beastie Boys reference. It was a fun, tight upload. AND you guys did the cool thing where you explain how you underestimated the shells. You kids are looking almost like grown-ups. Keep it up.
Cool things aside I believe the point is if your on the wrong side of a shotgun your fucked.
Emphasis on the "almost" part haaaaa.
Many people tell me I master the art of being wrong.
@@taofledermaus own it buddy! Only Jesus was perfect.
@@Andrewblaise88 i think that's pretty much ALWAYS the point. 🤣
After breaking ties with his most recent garage band, Sugar Sinkers, Officer Greg tried his hand at a solo career with his debut album, "Nine Balls and a Wet Ream."
Everyone assumes it was five guys, and one of the guys had only one ball. There were four guys in the band. Do your math & research, kids..
@@vapormissile pppp
Half ball hemi spheres**
@@18IMAMGODINA no, that was their drag-queen cheerleaders. Sheeshl
@@vapormissile Ah damn how did i get that wrong.
At least not 100% gimmick. I kind of expected that, to be honest. "Star Trek Wars" :)
-_-
They aren't perfect, but they actually DO something a little different than normal buckshot.
@@taofledermaus
But isn't that what #4 buck is for? I just use what the police use until Mad Max times are upon us. Some of those specialty slugs, I can rock with.
Hey Lars!
@@finaloption... Hello :)
I’m really digging this X2 load for someone whose around constant close urban environments this makes sense
I’m sure it’s been suggested. Could you use drywall “witness board” behind defensive targets? It might replicate a home setting somewhat.
They must have thought, "How can we use less copper and lead and somehow charge more for it?"
🤣🤣🤣 probably
I'm pleasantly surprised they actually did what they said they would do though. That's impressive. Would be curious to know if it could actually drop a deer though. I know it's a self defense round, but it's buckshot so I'd be curious about it's hunting capabilities. I'm inclined to believe it'd be a bad idea.
Why wouldn't it?? Twice the wound tracks... If u hit it in the lungs it would probably be soup like I hit one with a 308 or something 🤔🤷
Each pellet is the same weight as a standard 00 buck lot of tedious work goes into making these things
@@MinistryOfMagic_DoM I think it would blow apart on the hide then not have enough ummf to make it through the ribs.
I used to reload fishing split shot in 12 gauge shells 45 years ago
Done a few times, got some serious flyers lol
@@Oldmanwithagoldpan Are you sure you don't mean sinkers? 😁
That's a more exciting way to do fishing for sure
Did you use buffer?Would grits work instead of cream of wheat?I've seen guys use gas seal then fiber wads andthen stack the buckshot without shot cup.I just want to be safe when I put them together.
@FireEscape It was,I think they are just giving a better option than sugar.
It be interesting to see how the fishing sinkers would behave in the gel
Looked like the stinkers were the best bet. Let's try those teardrop-shape sinkers where they have a loop on them. Maybe just fill the shell with Daredevel and Mepps lures.
edit autocorrected it to "stinkers" - I like it.
@sLeEpy jO& I say let’s throw in a couple Eagle Claw treble hooks for good measure!
@@rbbeac shhhh
It's the same thing!
@@rbbeac
🤣😂 No BS!
once the break apart, they have half the mass, therefore half the momentum. So after they split, they continue to penetrate half as much
When you were dumping that buffer out of the shell it brought back bad memories of when they first starting putting that in buckshot. They started out with a regular crimp and that stuff would leak out and get all over the place. I was in charge of weapon maintenance for our department and I dreaded having to clean out all those little nylon (or whatever they were made of) bb's. They would leak into the magazine tube and into the action sometimes. Didn't cause any malfunctions but it was sure a mess.
Gotta love Gregs sense of humor and quick wit! Pork, Sugar, Mariachi band AND jumper cables? Musta been quite a binge!
I wonder what his safe word was.
@@bobsmith6079
Finger wiggle???
I wonder if he's this humorous when he's enforcing the gubners tyrannical mandates. 🤔
@@bobsmith6079 something funny and off color...probably.
In Tijuana I'm sure!
Federal: “Lets take standard double OO buck pellets and cut them almost in half so they turn into 18 half sized pellets!”
Everyone: “So…like…number one buck but at five times the price?”
Well I could see the shape of the split sphere being different than No.1. If it makes any difference I have no idea what
@@mattberg6816 in theory it could create cutting forces via hydrostatic shock, see gel tests of rounds like the extreme penetrator. or could cause them to cartwheel erratically through soft tissue as opposed to just boring straight through, although neither of those appeared to happen. its just yet another gimmick frangible round. those are literally federals copper plated 00 buck balls with a cut through them so they can sell them at a hyped up price with inferior performance
@@commie4164 I think you are dead on with the cutting forces theory. I was thinking something similar but wasn’t sure how to word it correctly. I do agree with you on the fact that it’s a gimmicky loading. As far as the cost is concerned I’m not sure that it’s unwarranted. I can’t imagine getting a slot into those plated balls is inexpensive. I’ve worked with lead for almost 20 years as a plumber and it’s a tricky material. It would be a pain to get that slot no matter how you went about it. Casting something that small into it would be very difficult. If they are cut in the tooling would need to be almost constantly cleaned because lead tends to coat and gum up absolutely everything.
@@mattberg6816 they likely use something akin to a very hot knife, likely wire, while a row of the balls are held in place. the cutting forces does work. but those rounds displayed none of it in the gel. they likely dont have the mass or energy left after ripping themselves apart to accomplish it. you need a hell of a lot of velocity for it to actually happen.
@@commie4164 have a video link that shows the cutting forces you're talking about by any chance?
I'm having trouble visualizing.
"Flowers of Destruction", that's the name of the all-female fusion quartet classical ensemble.
Also some RAD japaneese comedy movie
🤣🤣🤣🤣
After seeing the slo-mo shot the first word I came up with was "mesmerizing" and immediately after that Greg said you guys were mesmerized. Incredible video, it's pure physics, loved it.
This has functionality. I’ve done it with .68 lead ball using a slingshot. I split them just slightly more than halfway, with perpendicular splits. What it does is to deform as it hits the target. This delivers more energy to target than a solid ball, which has more propensity to bounce off. And yes, it creates cutting surfaces. So instead of denting and then bouncing off a fence post, it deforms and sticks in the fence post. If the 00 shot were cut halfway, it would potentially create more hydroshock as some of those balls open up and expand their impact area within the target.
.68 lead is an absolutely massive slingshot load. What's your setup for shooting such a heavy round, and what kind of accuracy and velocity are you getting?
@@crashstitches79 Setup is a simple wrist rocket, with the heaviest tubing I can find. It’s slower than smaller ammo, but it hits much harder. Don’t have a specific velocity number as I don’t have a chrony. That said, I’ve kinda not been dabbling with the slingshot much recently as the mag-fed crossbow thing has taken over lol
You know what I love about watching Taofledermaus videos? The air of superiority with which the content is presented. I love it when wonder and curiosity are met with sarcasm and condescending remarks.
If it can't stand up to the barest scrutiny of the lowliest sarcasm, it really is not worth further serious pursuit.
Amen, but allow me to add: these guys are harder on themselves than on others. They bust chops on themselves quicker than on whatever they are testing.
I want to have a water balloon fight with these kids. Maybe paintball ... nah.
"Jeff's sugar stinkers" was the name of a local saturday morning kids show I was on back in 76 🙃
I loved that show, they should bring it back with the original cast.....
@@charlesmiller6826 Show probably wouldn't fly now a days because it was loosely based on the writers experience woth a bad acid trip...it was the 70's though 🙃
Ok, I believe I've put too much though into this imagined, non-existent reality 😂😂😂
@@JB-Was-Here so kind of like a US Magic Roundabout?
@@jediknight1294 exactly haha 😂🤣
@@JB-Was-Here "Sugar Stinkers," sounds like something behind closed doors in the Vatican?
I for sure thought Hog Bone was OG's pole dancing stage name, I'm only slightly disappointed in that and considerably more with these shells albeit being a shotgun round and devastating relatively. I expect more from Federal.
OG your descriptions of events (like Amsterdam) makes me think of my days as a young single Coastie on liberty in various ports....:)
I just love the comedy inserted randomly into the video's, it really makes them so much better. Oh yeah Jeff, you have a possible viable business idea, aromatherapy rounds, imagine firing a round that smells like lavender, orange, etc., I'm sure people will go for them! Have a good one guys, thanks for the laughs on a Friday!
lol
I mean the Coroner might appreciate the pleasant smells when they arrive.
Lol the whole time I was sitting there thinking to myself that split buck shot reminds me of something. Then had a good laugh when he said fishing weights.Yup that's what I was thinking. The color and nice picture was throwing me off.
The box picture also makes them look like jingle bells. :)
🤣 PFFT-AHAHA!!! I was thinking the same thing too!!
Them lil Christmas bells was my 1st thought
@@edifyguy that's a good one too.
I was looking for this comment.
When you say “over penetration of the meat” how does my need for sophomoric humor not kick in?
Cool, I thought they looked like split shot sinkers too. Glad to see you made some rounds out of split shot to flesh out the test.
I did love how far the wadding of the last shot penetrated the gel, and still bounced all the way back out.
The gas seal never made it back out, but there is a lot of trash in that cavity.
The stumble after OG says, “that’s almost 1/2”, cracked me up
Love how the ballistic gell spit out the wadding
They breed a rare species of gel that only eats bullets. They regurgitate plastic.
Not enough sugar in that one.
Poor gel block is trashed, at least a lot of it will have to be discarded.
@@taofledermaus "at least a lot of it"
edit, I love American English almost as much as I adore firearms. Maybe more. G is Bruce Lee with the words.
Ah, yes, the Star Trek Wars…. The bloodiest most pathetic wars that there ever was. Love you guys.
Don't forget the Star Wars Trek where SW fans had to flee on foot for 40 years.
How many times has that poor pink stand been welded and repainted? Haha. Great video guys. Keep it up. Hope everyone is staying safe and taking care.
Lol quite a few times. Thanks Ryan
@@taofledermaus u can use them when u go fishing as a split shot weigh for ur fishing line
That’s funny if I would of watched a few extra seconds and I would of seen u guys said the same thing I was thinking 🤣🤣🤣
The stand at this point is more welds and spray paint than stand. 👍🏼👍
@@evelbill1439 He's more machine now than man.
Dude. That was a BRUTAL introduction. I too have a dark and sarcastic sense of humor, my brother. 🤨🤔😂
Thank you guys for another cool segment. I’ve put the little sinkers in my 10 gauge before. Cool to see them in slow-mo 👍🏻 how about a 10/12 gauge comparison video? Thanks again
I don't know anyone with a 10 ga
Man, that slow mo was one of the best yet! Impressive the amount of energy dump, and how little over penetration there was. For once, the manufacturer claims were true.
As far as their claim of less over-penetration, I have to agree with it.
I just love you guys for doing this for fun. And science of course.
thanks Paul
SCIENCE!
Greg is still hilarious. Its always fun when he's involved.
Jeff's got a Ben Stein'ish/ John Wayne'ish twang in the narrations. If John and Ben had a baby, boy, you nailed it.
That’s hilarious I remember looking at my dads old comic books from when he was a little boy. And seeing the add for the sub I always wanted to know what you actually got in the mail. So I did a UA-cam search sure enough there was a channel that did a video about it. He actually had a unassembled version of it. It was very cool to see what I wanted soooooo bad as a young child. I see I wasn’t the only kid that was amazed by the spectacular add in the back of the old comic books.
Seems like an answer in search of a question
We want 50-count HST...Federal makes "Punch." We need more Tactical LE Flitecontrol buckshot, they make this "split" shot. We need more basic calibers and they keep making oddball and big-bore stuff. The people at Federal must have spent time at H&K.
3:46 did I hear what I think I heard? "Thadius, you don't get enough Thadius on n word UA-cam" I hope not, don't want UA-cam to mess with this awesome channel
LOL.. it almost sounded like that. You aren't alone.
“Hey hank, I’m out of buck shot”
“Grab my tackle box…”
Edit: split shot jokes ensue
I knew a guy that did that
The ballistic jelly was incredible to watch ! I'm so surprised by the initial impact. Once again thanks !
thanks!
Pahoo was the first to use split shot buck shot in 1959, he was Yancy Derringer's side kick.
Good one, always pleasant when something else than Ballistic Machinist's rounds also turn out to be functional.
I'd expect that the two pellets that made it through the gel block were the last two to get downrange.
The flew through the open wound channel and didn't have anywhere to dump their energy until they ran out of gel block.
MesaperProductions Good thinking, I was wondering about that. 👍👍
Watch the pellets hitting the wet paper, they pretty much hit at the same time.
@@taofledermaus Yeah, just rewatched the high speed (15:20) and both of them slid all the way through the block just above the table.
Just shows to go you.
When autopsying the meat target, try using water dyed blue to highlight the wound tracks before you slice them open?
That's a good idea
@@scrappydoo7887 You're the worst cartoon character ever. Mr.Bill or Elmer Fudd could easily outsmart you & beat you up.
;)
@@vapormissile I like scrappy because he fights everyone lol
@@scrappydoo7887 lemme at em’
I love Officer Gregg... he makes the vids so "colorful"
Og with the sick intro..totally cured me of chronic depression 😁
I got to say, the tennis ball on top of the ballistics gel was a brilliant idea. A pretty inexpensive, reliable, effective way to show how much energy is being released.
Lol, I think the bearing slug threw it a lot higher.
@@taofledermaus ...
Too bad you didn't have the tennis ball when you shot the solid copper slug. That thing would have gone into orbit.
This is a strange coincidence! Misshapen balls was my college nickname.
Funnily enough mine was stiff meat.
I'm glad you guys did this, I just bought them this week. FORCE X-2!
Hey, even Gregg told me if he saw a box of these he'd buy them.
You’re right though, 3 bucks a round I’m glad you did the research on them.
Always appreciate the Wilford Brimley "diuhbeetus."
Kidding?!? That intro was spot-on.
Misshapen Balls!!! 🤣🤣🤣
Sounds like OG wrote the script for the intro!!! 😂😂😂
You guys never fail to entertain me.. And I appreciate it.
thanks TW
This is the first video of yours I've ever watched. I'm currently at 3:26 and I'm gonna sub just for you testing the fishing weights. I was thinking "Yaaaa! He should do that!"
Welcome. You’ll get along just fine here. His old mercury slow-mo and Test Tube Torture Test videos are worth marathoning.
Just wait until you see what the bubble gum did.
thanks Badger
Yup I was pretty surprise too...But I would question if the split 00 buck is really any more effective than much cheaper #4 buck. Also with #4 you don't have to worry about over penetration because pellets failed to separate.
"Currently, this is only available in 12ga. But I have good news for 20 ga. and 410 owners. 12ga shotguns are pretty cheap." I think I laughed harder at that comment than anything in the video. Keep up the great work!
The music you chose for the background of this video sounds exactly like the song from "How It's Made" on Discovery Channel. Really took me back.
I think when they break apart, they loose their hydrodynamics (smoothness) and become more irregular which causes them to wobble and experience turbulence while traveling through tissue.
I think that's what slows them down when they break apart.
And the fact that they obviously lose mass
6:20 - “Pork Surgery” is the name of an HBO documentary about erectile dysfunction that OG narrated in 2012.
Iconic
🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@uapnz0698, it was a work ahead of its time.
6:46 Stiff Meat is the name of the punkband that made the soundtrack to that particular documentary. They are well known for their hit songs: Wet Ream and Flowers Of Destruction.
I can’t be in a bad mood and watch any of your videos and brings a smile. I have learned so much. Just wanted to say thank you. Better than saying what was wrong and should have done it this way. Again thank you for the science and entertainment all the way from KY
Thanks for the nice words Steven!
So the penetration differential is due to some of the shot expanding before splitting causing drag and slowing them down. The shot that didn’t expand and split will most likely go through as seen in the vid. Think of a parachute effect while they are splitting. Great video as always. 🤠
14:48 “my hands smell like “Pork and Sugar”
I’m guessing that was one of OG’s groupies in Amsterdam in the ‘80s when he was the drummer for “Wet Ream”
Classic!
OG is a spook lol 😂 jumper cables ? A Mariachi band? Pork ? Sugar? Amsterdam? Married to a beautiful Greek woman. It all adds up to international man of mystery.
Support the balls, stiff meat, wet ream, split tail, and other funnies!
Many people aren't very bright & will pay (through the nose) for these. P.T. Barnum would be so proud...every minute.
Too frickin hilarious guys, loving it, and those rounds are seriously impressive, keep up the great work!!!...
I'd guess that the whole ones made it through because having to split the copper plated halves takes energy that couldn't go to penetration anymore. That was a weird way to say that.
I imagine it took a lot of trial and error to get that shot to the point where it would reliably split inside a target instead of inside the barrel, buffer obviously helping with that. The ones that didn't split are probably from erring closer to the side of survivability than frangibility.
You make some excellent points, but I am not sure that frangibility is the proper term for a projectile splitting into two halves along a precut slot.
@@damonthomas8955 Frangibility: "the state or quality of having a delicate structure." I think it works fine.
But how much energy actually went into pulling them apart?
The depth of cut really didn't leave much material holding the halves together. Someone else mentioned it just turned this into #1 shot. Anyone know the spread pattern of 00 vs 1?
@@chaos_omega I think of frangibility as being a a quality inherent in the material itself, whereas the slot in these balls is a design feature, not an alteration of the structure of the metal, which remains normal lead.
Since watching your first video I've watched many others for comparison. I can't convey how awesome you guys are. You're so funny and lighthearted but with that dirty little undertone of reality. You talk about the negative comments sometimes. And I say they're idiots. You guys are fantastic.
thank you Chris!
Can you please explain?
@@bluezz5002 explain what?
Thanks man that was great! The slow motion on the gummy bear and the block were awesome! Stay safe man! Kettle corn killer! Should be the name of your lead split shot loads! Lol
lol thank you Adam
This channel answers all my questions about shot gun load ideas I had in middle school lol
Thanks for the disappointment warning. This time I was ready!
Sugar was used as a bleeding🩸stopper long ago. So you could tell the responding officer that it was in there as a first aid for gsw. You may have had to shoot a perp but you didn’t want him to die.
Medics plugged my GSW’s with tampons lol. Then the dude in the back of the ambulance punched the divider af later he yelled “just go!” when the driver was doing some checklists. I puked like 10 seconds after the gave me a stupid big shot of demoral (spelling?). Hit me harder than the HP’s.
@@zackzittel7683 mate if your wounds got packed w tampons… you need to report those medics. tampons are horrible for plugging wounds and absorbing ANY kind of bleeding that isn’t extremely mild. real deal bleeding requires gauze designed for wound packing .
STIFF MEAT... That was the name of the all-girl psychedelic concert choir that I coached in junior high.
More frag rounds are always welcome theyre way too damn expensive currently, drive that price down, companies!
I think the aerodynamics of the shot, is gone when they split. But when they stay together they retain their aerodynamics, and therefore penetrate more. Cool video guys.
Incredible damage from those lead sinkers... wow! Incredible job building that load 👊✌
Definitely looks like a really wicked round. A bit too expensive for me though. I think almost anybody hit with something shot out of a 12 gauge at typical home defense distances will definitely reconsider their aggressive behavior!
Was "mis-shapen balls don't fly straight" one of OG's forays into the adult industry in the 80's?
$5 is $5
**starring OG as a officer in the air force disciplining subordinates in the way only he knows how**
🤣
...... Possibly features a mariachi band, jumper cables, pork and sugar.....
Items sold separately.😂
lol
It would be really cool to see the fishing weight rounds through the ballistic gel to see if they split or could be cut a little more to cause the split. Also since sugar is so flammable getting hit with any burning buffer could cause additional damage. Was curious because growing up on the coast of SC you can walk through marsh and find hung up fishing line with sinkers on it and distil the salt water down to collect salt and pure water to drink. Sounded like a really mean apocalypse round to me.
Hahah I can’t help myself “stiff meat” I chuckled OG gets me every time 😂
The gel block slow motion edit with classic piano was epic.
I just got my first shotgun yesterday after three sidearms it's cz 612 pump action shotgun
Seeing all of the tests, I think I'd invest in really well made sinkers and reman some cheaper shot shells.
I’m pretty sure ‘stiff meat’ was OG’s high school garage band.
Actually, I think that it was his stage name when he was a male exotic dancer.
"Wiggle In Wound" was immediately rejected as being too obvious, on-the-nose, and nihilistic...
@@supergeek1418 It was his stripper name as well as his stage name. The band was a hillbilly-goth group named Meat Popsicles, later the Meat Stiffs that eventually switched to mariachi after the Noodle Incident.
@@vapormissile
Ahh... Thank you. It's *SO* much clearer, now.
That gel footage was phenomenal! The way it spit the wad out. I bet they would work better if they looked like the dang picture. After it hits and splits they'll def slow down and go everywhere. Good show!
Whether or not they split probably depends on their orientation when they hit. if a full side is leading, they may not split, if a split edge is leading, the force of impact will tear the two halves apart.
This means that over-penetration comes down to chance. There is a VERY small chance that ALL will over-penetrate or that ALL will be stopped. There is a big chance that some will over-penetrate each time.
That makes them unreliable if you are looking for no over-penetration.
If they spent some money on the shot and split them like a tennis ball, one part of the split would always be running across the surface impacting the target, guaranteeing a split.
Having reviewed the high-speed footage of the Force X2, the standard buck and the fishing shot, my conclusion is ....... I would rather not be shot by any of them thank you very much!
I was surprised more of them didn't break apart in the gel or the other targets. As far as "reduced" overpenetration, that can make that claim IMHO.
EDIT : HA!! Didn't realize you were gonna say that
Those slots in the pellets look exactly like fishing weights
G'day,
Correction,
Copper Electro-Plated, Split Lead-Shot.
;-p
Ciao !
After seeing this awesome video, I would love to see if buckshot balls with tiny dimples, like a tiny golf ball, would work well ballistically or if it would be too unstable in flight.
I just hate when I’m shooting and all my shot slices:/
It would be hard to compare it to regular shot because the dimpling would change the weight, etc of them.
@@taofledermaus depends if you dimpled them with with a hammer and rounded pin or if you actually carved lead off
OG said 'stiff meat' & never turned it in to an innuendo? I'm out!
Cool! Fishing weight buckshot! The ballistic block was super telling, great penetration, only a few exited. Stuff may be a winner, but man it’s expensive
What ammo isn't expensive right now? lol
@@taofledermaus try making buckshot with hollowpoint .22lr projectiles :)
Hats off O.G for using a quality blade the new Benchmade 940 Auto with green aluminum scales and a purple texture titanium backspacer with a reverse tanto s30v blade
Hemisphere is the correct term for a half of a sphere, though it's usually only used to talk about celestial bodies in day to day language. a semi-sphere could include hemispherical objects but would not be exclusive to half spheres, the same way semi-circles are not all half circles. I want to see you guys reshoot the fishing lead though and see how it patterns in gel and breaks apart. If it's any better and the shot is cheaper, ain't no reason to buy these.
So what you're saying is.....that shot shells got a hemi!! :D
Next the cvcc shell
I would've thought hog bone was his nickname in high school
That sugar buffered split shot round gives a new meaning to white death!
Lehigh Defense: our bullets are Phillips head.
Federal: hold my beer fellas, we're bringing back Slot head.
I love the sarcasm about the buckshot penetration that was 😂
Split shot sinkers would be cool and cheap too.
I was thinking they looked like round split shots, just copper plated.
I just found this www.bulletweights.com/Products/Fishing-Sinkers/Split-Shot-Reusable
It gives the shot size equivalents of the sinkers. I assume that round split shot is the same.
Oh definitely.
I live in a tight residential area. This round makes me feel better about home defense without worrying (or worrying less) about a wayward round hurting a neighbor
"Stiff meat"? That was the name of my indy joke band back in collage.
Thanks for the video! Picked some up the other day, so I'm glad to see that they work, if not look, as advertised.
And these shells are my first shotgun rounds I ever bought as well yesterday