I don't know how this guy hasn't got at least a million subscribers. His content is top class. He needs his own show on the Discovery channel or something.
Niche subject, low production value, and dry delivery. I love it myself, I watch everything he puts out, but it's not mass appeal content, and it doesn't need to be.
Flight control is intended to be shot through an open bore which allows the "flight control wad" to hold the buckshot together longer in flight which yields the tighter patterns. When you use the FCW in a tighter bore it restricts/grips the wad and strips it away from the buckshot causing the buckshot to spread quicker which obviously defeats the purpose.
What choke is he using in this video? I know he mentions using a cylinder bore in an older video, but doesn't specify in this video. I am assuming it's the cylinder bore?
Half way through he mentions he is using full choke. I also have seen video confirming the plastic cup is supposed to hold the pellets together out to about ten yards, then it has fins that come out / shed the wad. I would love to see this re-done with a smooth bore / modified comparison.
@@uberNerdStatus 1:12 He says 18 inch cylinder bore. He said a full choke would help the pattern stay tighter. Most people hunt with longer barrel, not just 18 inch
Some video nerdy viewer should make a commercial. ..."Now with bullet stop controlling bungee cord!" "The New and Improved Fleece Bullet Stop!" - Sold wherever meat is purveyed. I bet Paul would ok some clips being used... Good laugh for the community.
Me too I love it when people get so angry like you just banged their wife or something it's usually retired Marines with tiny torpedoes jk but it's funny and informative I like to hear how other people choose ammo or the calibers they use and why always learn something mostly from Paul but comments as well, Honestly I started to give you a thumbs up just for your user name hadn't even read it yet but I agree you get some good content funny or informative heck about 5hrs ago out of nowhere a guy came out of the closet you just never know what you will read . Great name buddy 🇱🇷
Data shows the FCW groups open up as MV increases. This makes sense as aero drag rises quickly with increased MV, which pulls the wad off the shot column sooner. For example, see 3" FCW test results. These add 3 pellets and 100+ FPS, and the groups aren't as good. This is why we won't see magnum velocity FCW loads. (And for anyone who isn't aware, the FCW works best in cyl. and IC barrels- tighter chokes can strip the wad and yield poor results.) Also, data shows that ambient temperature affects the FCW enough to reduce effective range 5-10 yards on cold days. This makes sense, again, in terms of aero drag: cold air is more dense, and it seems to be enough to make a measurable difference on FCW groups, unlike traditional loads. Ultimately, the FCW is interesting and useful technology, but like most technology, it's got some "foibles." Great videos Paul! 😁
Use rifles for deer hunting... I live in a communist slug zone,not even allowed buckshot!!! I use a muzzle loader and a handgun at home and a rifle everywhere else.
I've had such good results with my rifled slug gun that even after they opened things to straight-wall rifle cartridges a few years back her in Ohio, I didn't switch because I had the process dialed in. I'm no Paul Harrell but with a Mossberg 500 with a 24-inch slug barrel and scope, I'm hitting them in the vitals out to 180 yards (generally 150-180 the last few years) using Hornady SST 12 gauge 2-3/4. They drop like a rock. One step at most. This year for the first time I had to do a coup de gras, but he was yelling in deer, "Help, I've fallen and I can't get up!" Geezerhood is upon me now and I'd prefer less recoil but money is an issue too so I have so far procrastinated on a rifle.
While I don't know that I would use this ammo for hunting dear at distance, this is a great personal defense round in the police and civilian world IMO. The agency I worked for switched to Federal Premium Buckshot Flight Control 9 pellet buckshot several years ago for a few reasons. The military grade 00-Buck hit hard but spread out quite a bit even at 15 yards. We trained patrol that the shotgun with buckshot was a 25 yard and closer tool. Other buckshot had a 16-20 inch spread at this distance which could mean pellets not hitting an intended target. The Federal load had a much tighter group (usually 10-14 inches at 25 yards) and even tighter at 15 yards (Hand size groups). This tighter group even helped with qualification scores and gave officers the confidence that they could strike their intended target and not have to worry about flyers. Great video.
You defeated the purpose, and design of this ammo, when you went to a full choke. It just stripped the wad off, when it squeezed thru the choke. I pattern A LOT of buckshot with 8 different size chokes, and I CANNOT beat the patterns of the Flight Control from a cylinder bore. This ammo isn't just "hype". But, you're right... Buckshot is just inconsistent in nature. Great video, as always, Paul.
NoSox RubyRox go suck a can of turnips. Naw, I agree that for the most part the douche factor isn’t in abundance possibly because Paul removes those full of vitriol and/or calls out idiot commentators from his previous videos.
Another great presentation. I've used the Federal 00-9 Buck "Tactical" Load with Flight Control Wad - this is a reduced velocity load (nominal 1145 fps). The patterns with that load are I think what made the reputation of the flight control wad. I've patterned that load in multiple shotguns, and in some the pattern was an incredible 2" out to 25 yards. The reduced velocity helps.
Paul, I appreciate you taking the time to make this video. I'm sorry that some UA-cam squirrel decided to hide his stash of nuts in your comments section. "C'mon buddy..."
Paul, I am very bothered by how many disclaimers you have to give to internet gurus, but in all honesty you are to a great service to the gun community at large by reducing the amount of interactions we're are going to have with people where we have to explain these things to them. As always thanks for making the Federal premium with flight control video!!!
Glad you did a review on this stuff. I've heard so much about it. I haven't watched through it yet but I'm glad you're covering it. Looking forward to your results!
I believe their Zombie zmax is the same load just looks cool . But Hornady Tap is about equal to me for buckshot for home defense I use Winxhester PDX-1 great round best of both worlds the slug hits where you aim and under 10yds the copper plated oo bbs 3 of them hit other vitals more likely to incapacitate immediately but hunting 00 for for and u can go wrong for hd either good choice sir .
I know this has been covered in previous videos, but that target is considerably smaller than a white-tail deer. I accept that adds a safety margin for the results when applied to the real thing though.
I’m relatively certain the point of the flite control is to provide a tighter pattern at the ranges shotguns are typically used. I’ve had really good results with the 8 pellet LE load.
Arie, I hear the same thing. 8-pellet for us was a game changer compared to the previous Winchester buck load. With a modified choke we get satisfactory performance on a target out to 40 yards and beyond. Different ethical standard vs hunting but the 8-pellet would cert@inly ruin a felon’s day out that far.
The full choke is interfering with the wad, that's whats causing the inconsistency. Up to modified is okay, but cylinder bore is best for it. The special rear breaking wad does all the work.
Very good, sir. I keep my shotgun loaded for home defense with Hornady Critical Defense 2 3/4" #00 buckshot with 8 pellets. I found a deal on 250 rounds of this stuff at about 6 bucks for a box of 10 rounds, and after looking at muzzle velocities of other shotgun ammo I decided to make the purchase. I'm pretty enthused by the ammo I bought although I haven't done any actual research or testing on it, except that the pattern just about covers a silhouette at 25 yards from my Mossberg 500. The ammo's advertised muzzle velocity is 1600 fps, compared to 1300 fps of most other ammo, but I take you at your word that 1600 fps is probably an optimistic figure. Anyway, just for the sake of curiosity, I wonder if you would consider doing some testing on it. It's expensive, even at 60 cents a round, but I wouldn't mind sending you a few boxes for testing.
Paul I am a great fan of your channel I always enjoy your videos very informative, practical, together with solid professional knowhow. be it from your personal experiences and background. .Which I find interesting and very valuable. Living in the U.K. where gun control is so restricted I cannot make full use of your invaluable knowledge , but none the less i still find having some of that knowledge invaluable and satisfying. to know. However It may seem a little trivial to talk about weather you have to endure through most of your videos, of the wet kind, In this video I was so struck by the shear beauty of your Oregon skies it cheered me up something special !!!. Take care Paul and keep up your great videos.
Thanks Paul, great video. In reference to people spamming your comment section with links, posting stupid comments and such, terrible disrespect that you do not deserve. It is very much a product of are society trying to stop natural selection, and we need to stop doing that!
Love your videos, respect your results. One thing to try though, you mentioned you were shooting a full choke. Flight control is not consistent in full chokes. It's made for Tactical shotguns, Cylinder bore shotguns. My results in a Mossberg 930 tactical is a lot tighter patterns than you got there. Just an FYI.
Just a quick "Thank you" for what you do... very informative, entertaining, and thorough videos without being pedantic or judgmental. Just the facts... and a touch of that wry sense of humor we all have grown to enjoy. Paul, keep up the good work!
I love Paul Harrell's work. he's well-spoken, very intelligent, a scientist in his own right, and very well experienced in the subject he's talking about. I consider him nothing but a reliable source. Also, his shotgun manipulation is spectacular.
Paul thanks for your expertise in firearm training and ammunition demonstration I have really learned a lot since I began watching you channel about five years ago..great video keep teaching thumbs up 👍🏿….
First time I've watched one of your videos since seeing the announcing you had passed away. Always enjoyed your channel and approach. Nice to see you live on here.
As I watch the video I have to admit, that Federal buckshot is a little bit inconsistent, however I still stick by my original claim for centerfire handgun ammo -as it's always very close to advertised velocity with low extreme deviations and has decent working hollow points and accurate target ammo.
And while i'm here mentioning this, I just remembered that Federal makes some really good primers for hand loading too. They are a tad soft so they do sometimes falsely represent an over-pressuring sign when fired as they will flatten into the whole primer pocket, but they perform quite well, seat real well and all of that.
Glad someone else noticed... I dont know if he's an idiot 1 wild shot away from a BBQ, or a genius hanging out where all the other critters dont have the balls to play...
Thanks for the video. I've shot the low recoil version of this ammunition in defensive shotguns. I've always assumed this ammunition was developed mostly to reduce the number of stray pellets in self-defense or law enforcement situations. The idea of using them for deer hunting is interesting, and this test suggests that the higher power version would work. Your tests suggest that the range wouldn't change that much.
My hero!!! Great video Paul. I'm sure someone is going to find something to complain about in it, but then again they would complain if you gave them 100 one dollar bills...
I think some of the inconsistency is the choke you are using. I believe they recommend a cylinder bore barrel with the Flitecontrol wads. That way The wad stays with the ammo and keeps it tight. With a tighter choke, the wad gets caught up and slowed down, and the shot exits the wad too soon and spreads normally, as it would without the wad to keep it tight.
It would only make for a 5 or so minute video, but I'll give you the short version. Two handed is more accurate than one handed in every normal case You improve by shooting, dry firing and thinking long and hard about it
@@1yehny It usually is different. Browse youtube for stances and figure out what works for you, Paul Harrel has a video on it if I remember right, Hickock45 as well I think. Breathing isn't as important as everyone say it is, breathe out when you shoot, breathe in, hold it, doesn't matter after you settle in
Could you test the effectiveness of the "PDX1 defender" rounds by Winchester? It's a shotshell with a rifled slug AND 3 plated 00 buckshot. If you have already done a review on those rounds I apologize for having missed it.
@@PaulHarrell Thank you for the response. I have a box of these shotshells, but I have never fired them. Just curious how well they pattern and penetrate. I bought them at Wal-Mart so they should be easy to find for testing.
Chris C. Even if he showed you how they patterned out of his shotgun you’d still need to shoot them out of your own ,don’t be afraid to get out there and shoot some shit,I can’t put a gun into my active rotation until I’ve fully broke it in and got myself aquatinted with it and I won’t put any kind of ammo into my daily defensive guns be it my sidearms or the shotgun by the bed that I haven’t fully tested for feeding issues/mag issues anything else just general unreliability or sometimes ammo that every other gun loves is completely useless out of the one you got.
I've had really good luck with the Competition Electronics Pro Chrono and the CED Millennium. I think both are easy to find at a lot of shooting retailers.
that is a great question ! are the high price ones worth it or can a jober one get the same results. but like in many if not all of his videos he dose say they tend to not agree with one another. so maybe explain why they do get the same results. would be cool as heck if AVE and him did a video together. uncle bumblefuck has a way of explaining things ;)
Not trying to rain on your new hobby but a chronograph is above novice level. If you have the money you can but I'd spend it on ammo and targets until you settle in some. Have fun
Too many double entendres'. At Christmas my Bother and I had a very awkward conversation with our Mother about what he really bought me since I was very pleased that he bought me a 5" black ball starter and a fine brass nipple pick.
Good Video!! Well, I am not a gun expert, I don't "hunt" either. But I live on what is left of our "family farm" and the Big City has sprawled out and just about RUINED everything. Since that happened it has turned in to a high crime area. I have been burglarized a number of times and my employee I used to have a family members have been the victims of violence. So, my guns are for "home defense" etc. I don't have the ability to do "scientice tests" but I do "practice" fairly often and do enjoy simple target shoting. I bought a Case of the Federal Law enforcement 12 gauge ammo with the Flite Control wadding because it was on sale from an on-line dealer and the price was good. I normally buy Remington or Winchester as a rule. With a Shotgun I rarely shoot over 65 FEET not Yards, but FEET, and with the "Flite Control" wadding I get a pattern with a diameter of about 2 inches and the wadding is often stuck in the HOLE the pellets make or the wadding is lying at the FEET of the target after hitting it and falling on the ground. But I repeat, this is at about 65, maybe 70 feet or LESS, not more. I LIKE Remington and Winchester Buckshot, from shooting targets, those two appear to really do the job at close combat distance 70 feet or less. I notice the "Brass" on Remington (it is attracted to a Magnet so it is ferrous metal and NOT brass, but the "cup" for the power is twice as tall at the Federal Cup. The Federal "brass cup" is NOT magnetic. That trivia seems to NOT MATTER at all. The Federal Law Enforcement, Flite control Wadding 12 gauge has plenty of GAS to cycle my Remington 1100 autoloader. But from a "feel" of shooting it it seems the Federal has slightly less "power" or "Pressure". But that is NOT scientific and I am not an expert. I have never fired the stuff at the distance you are shooting at. This is a very good and interesting video to me. Thanks, BB
This may be common understanding for some but I am curious, where was your point of aim? I'm assuming at the center of the vital area but it would be nice to know as a reference (Point of Aim vs Point of Impact).
Most shotguns have non adjustable beads so the point of aim is different for each. With the Model 11 in this video it is very well centered with most ammo, but the federal patterned a little high. I ended up having to shoot at the bottom of the chest cavity.
@@PaulHarrell Thank you! Love your videos. Very informative. Your steadfast professionalism; passion for responsible and effective firearm application is self evident! Semper Fi!!
I’d like him to do some vs videos of some of the newer ammo types, 357 mag vs 327 Fed. And the 350 legend and the other typical low recoil deer rounds.
Many of our students had watched movies which gave an unrealistic representation of pattern spread. A rule of thumb, so to speak, was that a pattern of buckshot when fired through a cylinder choked barrel would spread ~ 1 inch per yard of travel. There have been advances in shotshell technology since then with, for example, Federal Premium that will shoot tighter patterns than had been achieved before, but that improvement begins to be seen at longer ranges of ~ 20 yards and beyond.
@Paul, I have recently discovered your vids and I'm watching them non-stop. I have never found a UA-camr that explains the way you do, takes into account almost every aspect, the way you said that the results might be off but they are at least relative to each other....My friend, if that is not vivid proof of professionalism, I do not know what is. Keep up the good work, you are a genius.
I don't know how this guy hasn't got at least a million subscribers. His content is top class. He needs his own show on the Discovery channel or something.
Niche subject, low production value, and dry delivery.
I love it myself, I watch everything he puts out, but it's not mass appeal content, and it doesn't need to be.
@@000Mazno000 Low production value? but... but.. meat target! that's HIGH quality.
NO TV
God no Discovery would ruin everything
@@pwprochazka Don't forget the high-tech fleece bullet stop!
I keep firing at the deer until the deer stops firing back
OK, that was a good one.
I want to hunt those kinda deer
Hey buddy, deer do NOT have guns. I think you were exaggerating for the dramatic.
Shooting steel up close with a .308 is like going to a range were the targets fight back
I think CutTheKnot might be a deer.
those "pasties" or stickers really help to show the results , keep on using em
I like that too.
Aren't those pasties supposed to have tassels on them. 😁
Does a new Paul Harrell video make your Friday complete? You be the judge.
Yes ...yes in fact it does.
Indeed it does.
I'd does.
Its encouraging
Does a meat target test with a .327 mag make Paul's channel complete? You be the judge.
Flight control is intended to be shot through an open bore which allows the "flight control wad" to hold the buckshot together longer in flight which yields the tighter patterns. When you use the FCW in a tighter bore it restricts/grips the wad and strips it away from the buckshot causing the buckshot to spread quicker which obviously defeats the purpose.
I concur, and other UA-cam videos back this up.
What choke is he using in this video? I know he mentions using a cylinder bore in an older video, but doesn't specify in this video. I am assuming it's the cylinder bore?
Half way through he mentions he is using full choke. I also have seen video confirming the plastic cup is supposed to hold the pellets together out to about ten yards, then it has fins that come out / shed the wad. I would love to see this re-done with a smooth bore / modified comparison.
@@uberNerdStatus 1:12 He says 18 inch cylinder bore. He said a full choke would help the pattern stay tighter. Most people hunt with longer barrel, not just 18 inch
@@noahway13 He shot some with his Remington semiautomatic model 11 which he said had a full choke.
New Paul Harrell video, and its going to be above freezing in Chicago tomorrow. Coincidence? You be the judge.
Paul brings the HEAT.
Thank god. It's been a brutal week.
not just in chicago
Paul Harrell just chewed a viewer's ass within the first two minutes! This is already so exciting!
Paul Harrell didn’t miss speak, the camera miss recorded...
Paul Harrell didn't misspeak, we all misheard.
Paul Harrell didn’t misspeak. Chuck Norris just misstuttered in fear.
Paul Harrell is never late. If he is late, time better slow the hell down.
UA-cam has to quit filtering out his content and let this man get subbed, he should have at least 1M subs by now ....
Finally you answer that all important question: what's new and improved about the "hi-tech fleece bullet stop" ROFL
So as always.....great video Paul!
I always wondered about that too.
I always thought it was a new leather jacket each time and this new and improved.
Some video nerdy viewer should make a commercial. ..."Now with bullet stop controlling bungee cord!" "The New and Improved Fleece Bullet Stop!" - Sold wherever meat is purveyed. I bet Paul would ok some clips being used... Good laugh for the community.
@@gswovoka6286 You indeed have quite the imagination. :-)
Great that it is new and improved ass all ways! Paul and the bullet stop is what you call professional :)
When a new video comes out I look forward to reading the comments almost as much as watching the video.
I'm with you on that one.
Me to, not one ugly comment here No haters here, only respectful common sense comments. Gun community is the best.
Me too I love it when people get so angry like you just banged their wife or something it's usually retired Marines with tiny torpedoes jk but it's funny and informative I like to hear how other people choose ammo or the calibers they use and why always learn something mostly from Paul but comments as well, Honestly I started to give you a thumbs up just for your user name hadn't even read it yet but I agree you get some good content funny or informative heck about 5hrs ago out of nowhere a guy came out of the closet you just never know what you will read . Great name buddy 🇱🇷
Great video. RIP Paul.
I needed my Paul Harrell fix for the weekend. THANKS!!
Data shows the FCW groups open up as MV increases. This makes sense as aero drag rises quickly with increased MV, which pulls the wad off the shot column sooner. For example, see 3" FCW test results. These add 3 pellets and 100+ FPS, and the groups aren't as good. This is why we won't see magnum velocity FCW loads. (And for anyone who isn't aware, the FCW works best in cyl. and IC barrels- tighter chokes can strip the wad and yield poor results.) Also, data shows that ambient temperature affects the FCW enough to reduce effective range 5-10 yards on cold days. This makes sense, again, in terms of aero drag: cold air is more dense, and it seems to be enough to make a measurable difference on FCW groups, unlike traditional loads.
Ultimately, the FCW is interesting and useful technology, but like most technology, it's got some "foibles."
Great videos Paul! 😁
My take-away:
Use Slugs for deer hunting.
Use rifles for deer hunting... I live in a communist slug zone,not even allowed buckshot!!! I use a muzzle loader and a handgun at home and a rifle everywhere else.
hammer slammer damn sounds like you’re probably in the commie New England area or commifornia
I've had such good results with my rifled slug gun that even after they opened things to straight-wall rifle cartridges a few years back her in Ohio, I didn't switch because I had the process dialed in. I'm no Paul Harrell but with a Mossberg 500 with a 24-inch slug barrel and scope, I'm hitting them in the vitals out to 180 yards (generally 150-180 the last few years) using Hornady SST 12 gauge 2-3/4. They drop like a rock. One step at most. This year for the first time I had to do a coup de gras, but he was yelling in deer, "Help, I've fallen and I can't get up!" Geezerhood is upon me now and I'd prefer less recoil but money is an issue too so I have so far procrastinated on a rifle.
slammed a 12 gauge slug either a sabot or a rifled slug is devastating to a deer way better than buckshot
Not if you want to shoot running deer close up. Shotguns are perfect for moving targets, and its super fun. Birds, small game, medium game...
God Be With You Mr. Harrell! Your generous masculine honesty very effectively eliminates uncertainty! Entire Thanks!
Always love your vids
Hey who tee!
While I don't know that I would use this ammo for hunting dear at distance, this is a great personal defense round in the police and civilian world IMO. The agency I worked for switched to Federal Premium Buckshot Flight Control 9 pellet buckshot several years ago for a few reasons. The military grade 00-Buck hit hard but spread out quite a bit even at 15 yards. We trained patrol that the shotgun with buckshot was a 25 yard and closer tool. Other buckshot had a 16-20 inch spread at this distance which could mean pellets not hitting an intended target. The Federal load had a much tighter group (usually 10-14 inches at 25 yards) and even tighter at 15 yards (Hand size groups). This tighter group even helped with qualification scores and gave officers the confidence that they could strike their intended target and not have to worry about flyers. Great video.
One comment from Paul Harrell is worth 20,000 from a normal UA-camr
maybe 17,000 and frankly he's still got some inconsistencies.
But is it enough to make a difference?
don't you dare putting the words normal and youtuber right next to each other.
RH571987 🙄
Song in Silence you be the judge
You defeated the purpose, and design of this ammo, when you went to a full choke. It just stripped the wad off, when it squeezed thru the choke. I pattern A LOT of buckshot with 8 different size chokes, and I CANNOT beat the patterns of the Flight Control from a cylinder bore. This ammo isn't just "hype". But, you're right... Buckshot is just inconsistent in nature. Great video, as always, Paul.
When I want an evaluation on any weapon with detail productivity, this is my first stop. Thanks Paul, you're the best.
I am a sub to tons of YT gun channels. Paul Harrell is, by far, the Professor of actual facts and usable knowledge.
The comments section on Paul’s videos are unlike anything else on UA-cam. Best behaved audience on the Internet.
NoSox RubyRox go suck a can of turnips. Naw, I agree that for the most part the douche factor isn’t in abundance possibly because Paul removes those full of vitriol and/or calls out idiot commentators from his previous videos.
And yet we flip people off in their 2 ton killing machines every other day, (cars and trucks obviously).
Best behaved, but have you read all the wad jokes today? 😂
Rick C; Just good humour which i’d make sure of myself when talking to Paul.
Paul is the best easily my favorite gun UA-camr
Another great presentation. I've used the Federal 00-9 Buck "Tactical" Load with Flight Control Wad - this is a reduced velocity load (nominal 1145 fps). The patterns with that load are I think what made the reputation of the flight control wad. I've patterned that load in multiple shotguns, and in some the pattern was an incredible 2" out to 25 yards. The reduced velocity helps.
I know it was four years ago but do you remember the choke?
Great video as always! You are a knowledgeable resource. Thanks as always.
Paul: "Am I off or is the ammo off?"
Me: Head explodes from considering the impossibility of Paul being off.
Best gun channel on UA-cam
Paul, I appreciate you taking the time to make this video. I'm sorry that some UA-cam squirrel decided to hide his stash of nuts in your comments section. "C'mon buddy..."
Clever ! I like it lol
I wanna know who this UA-cam squirrel is!
I know more about this subject than I did before I watched. Worth the watch. Thanks Paul.
"I certainly never get tired of introducing it."
lol... so much
Paul, I am very bothered by how many disclaimers you have to give to internet gurus, but in all honesty you are to a great service to the gun community at large by reducing the amount of interactions we're are going to have with people where we have to explain these things to them.
As always thanks for making the Federal premium with flight control video!!!
Glad you did a review on this stuff. I've heard so much about it. I haven't watched through it yet but I'm glad you're covering it. Looking forward to your results!
Thanks for making this video, Paul. A bunch of your subscribers wanted you to check this out. I remember seeing several comments.
You’re the man!
I love federal flight control! Best buckshot load ever.
I believe their Zombie zmax is the same load just looks cool . But Hornady Tap is about equal to me for buckshot for home defense I use Winxhester PDX-1 great round best of both worlds the slug hits where you aim and under 10yds the copper plated oo bbs 3 of them hit other vitals more likely to incapacitate immediately but hunting 00 for for and u can go wrong for hd either good choice sir .
Miss you Sir... thank you for all the work you did..
great info as always
No matter what I always learn so much from your videos. They're clear, concise, organized and very well presented. Cheers
I know this has been covered in previous videos, but that target is considerably smaller than a white-tail deer. I accept that adds a safety margin for the results when applied to the real thing though.
As always another great video from Paul. I stand in awe of his equanimity and control. He provides an excellent resource and great results. Thank you.
I’m relatively certain the point of the flite control is to provide a tighter pattern at the ranges shotguns are typically used. I’ve had really good results with the 8 pellet LE load.
Arie Heath not true unless you post the link 20X
Arie, I hear the same thing. 8-pellet for us was a game changer compared to the previous Winchester buck load. With a modified choke we get satisfactory performance on a target out to 40 yards and beyond. Different ethical standard vs hunting but the 8-pellet would cert@inly ruin a felon’s day out that far.
The full choke is interfering with the wad, that's whats causing the inconsistency. Up to modified is okay, but cylinder bore is best for it. The special rear breaking wad does all the work.
Very good, sir. I keep my shotgun loaded for home defense with Hornady Critical Defense 2 3/4" #00 buckshot with 8 pellets. I found a deal on 250 rounds of this stuff at about 6 bucks for a box of 10 rounds, and after looking at muzzle velocities of other shotgun ammo I decided to make the purchase. I'm pretty enthused by the ammo I bought although I haven't done any actual research or testing on it, except that the pattern just about covers a silhouette at 25 yards from my Mossberg 500. The ammo's advertised muzzle velocity is 1600 fps, compared to 1300 fps of most other ammo, but I take you at your word that 1600 fps is probably an optimistic figure. Anyway, just for the sake of curiosity, I wonder if you would consider doing some testing on it. It's expensive, even at 60 cents a round, but I wouldn't mind sending you a few boxes for testing.
Dang that’s a good deal, 4 years later I just paid $1.80 a round for that stuff at academy lol
Another high quality offering. Thanks Paul for everything you do. No better education on firearms than your channel.
Another great very informative video! :-)
Paul I am a great fan of your channel I always enjoy your videos very informative, practical, together with solid professional knowhow. be it from your personal experiences and background. .Which I find interesting and very valuable. Living in the U.K. where gun control is so restricted I cannot make full use of your invaluable knowledge , but none the less i still find having some of that knowledge invaluable and satisfying. to know. However It may seem a little trivial to talk about weather you have to endure through most of your videos, of the wet kind, In this video I was so struck by the shear beauty of your Oregon skies it cheered me up something special !!!. Take care Paul and keep up your great videos.
I like to think of Paul as a cross between Chuck Norris, John Cleese, Paul Newman, Michael Shermer, and Clark Howard.
Kevin R - in other words he’s just Paul Harrell.
who r the last 2?
James Cooper Shermer is known for his skepticism and debunking, Howard is a guy whose M.O. is helping people save money and avoid crap and scams.
Don't forget William Shatner.
Thanks Paul, great video. In reference to people spamming your comment section with links, posting stupid comments and such, terrible disrespect that you do not deserve. It is very much a product of are society trying to stop natural selection, and we need to stop doing that!
Blessed with more Paul Harrel woohoo
Neither rain nor sleet or snow..... You are a trooper Paul, Thanks
Love your videos, respect your results. One thing to try though, you mentioned you were shooting a full choke. Flight control is not consistent in full chokes. It's made for Tactical shotguns, Cylinder bore shotguns. My results in a Mossberg 930 tactical is a lot tighter patterns than you got there. Just an FYI.
ua-cam.com/video/MsIscwdb3sk/v-deo.html Watch this video, learn a lot about using the correct choke for the load.
Just a quick "Thank you" for what you do... very informative, entertaining, and thorough videos without being pedantic or judgmental. Just the facts... and a touch of that wry sense of humor we all have grown to enjoy. Paul, keep up the good work!
"Pasties" have a whole 'nother meaning to me.
It patterned better for me better than any other buck shot. Also for many others I saw in a four day class. Thanks for the videos.
I can't control my wad's flight when a Paul Harrell notification pops up.
This is an image that will forever haunt me. Thanks for that.
Eww...
Wait a sec... how did I end up in a Garandthumb comments section?
@@f5tornadeau yeah wrong comment section! :)
Cum on dude, that's gross.
I love Paul Harrell's work. he's well-spoken, very intelligent, a scientist in his own right, and very well experienced in the subject he's talking about. I consider him nothing but a reliable source. Also, his shotgun manipulation is spectacular.
Yessss I use that ammo I been waiting for this video !!!!
These videos are the best on UA-cam
If Paul chastised me, I might fall over dead from embarrassment and shame.
Paul thanks for your expertise in firearm training and ammunition demonstration I have really learned a lot since I began watching you channel about five years ago..great video keep teaching thumbs up 👍🏿….
Your tedium=our education and entertainment.
Thanks Paul
First time I've watched one of your videos since seeing the announcing you had passed away. Always enjoyed your channel and approach. Nice to see you live on here.
Last time I was this early, the FBI carried .38's
The wife probably disagrees. 😂
Yurr Next 🤣🤣🤣
@@secondamendment8773 I hope those are laughing emogis and not middle fingers. Lol
Unfortunately android phones don't see iphone emogis.
Yurr Next Yes, laughing emojis.
@@YurrNext I'm on a Samsung note 9 and i see his emojis just fine.
Thank you for taking the time again to post informative and straight forward views.
Posting a link 20 times. I disagree. I've posted links to Pauls videos at least that many times...
Nick Knight - I prefer to reinvent the internet 20 times out of respect to Paul H.
Ohhhhhh. So that’s why it’s new and improved....... totally makes sense. Paul. You rock bud !
Federal makes consistent everything in my opinion.
As I watch the video I have to admit, that Federal buckshot is a little bit inconsistent, however I still stick by my original claim for centerfire handgun ammo -as it's always very close to advertised velocity with low extreme deviations and has decent working hollow points and accurate target ammo.
Weedus: Try Czech 00 buck from Sellier Bellot. Reasonably good stuff, I have good experience with 12/70 and its relatively cheap.
@Weedus Never seen or heard of Geco, but a quick search just now shows that it is available.
@Weedus I have tried Geco .357 Magnum before. It seemed like good ammo.
And while i'm here mentioning this, I just remembered that Federal makes some really good primers for hand loading too. They are a tad soft so they do sometimes falsely represent an over-pressuring sign when fired as they will flatten into the whole primer pocket, but they perform quite well, seat real well and all of that.
Always enjoy your videos and think your dry sense of humor is awesome
Yes. Friday made.
Also, first*.
Love your videos you keep it informative and you keep it unbiased keep up the great work
I can't believe that deer was hanging out on the ridge like nothing was going on
Glad someone else noticed... I dont know if he's an idiot 1 wild shot away from a BBQ, or a genius hanging out where all the other critters dont have the balls to play...
My deer wouldn't stand there that long!!! He hauled buns!! Thanks Paul. Always interesting and educational. Love the channel!!
"Come on buddy" ... that should shame the paint off the wall.
This round within 15 feet, whichbis more realistic in home defense, is close to a slug. I love this ammo. Great video Paul!!
Thanks for the video.
I've shot the low recoil version of this ammunition in defensive shotguns. I've always assumed this ammunition was developed mostly to reduce the number of stray pellets in self-defense or law enforcement situations. The idea of using them for deer hunting is interesting, and this test suggests that the higher power version would work. Your tests suggest that the range wouldn't change that much.
A great way to start the weekend with a new video from Paul.
“Come on, Buddy!”
My hero!!! Great video Paul. I'm sure someone is going to find something to complain about in it, but then again they would complain if you gave them 100 one dollar bills...
It's not even a crispy bill!! Yeah, I can see that.
The Hornady Critical Duty or Critical Defense buckshot also has a special wad flies very tight like the Flitecontrol.
Lol it is the flight control wad hornady just cant call it that
They buy the wads from federal, so yeah, they are flite control
Nothing worse than people pimping their channel on someone else's - or giving commentary on their own videos in the comment section of others'.
I got these cheseburgers mannnn
Have you heard of reaction channels lol
@@samuelw4492 Does youtube "content" get any lower then reaction channels?
Then again scratch that i don't want to know.
I think some of the inconsistency is the choke you are using. I believe they recommend a cylinder bore barrel with the Flitecontrol wads. That way The wad stays with the ammo and keeps it tight. With a tighter choke, the wad gets caught up and slowed down, and the shot exits the wad too soon and spreads normally, as it would without the wad to keep it tight.
I also had inconsistent results with the cylinder bore.
Good content, as always. Would you do an accuracy comparison between one handed and two handed shooting? And how to improve?
It would only make for a 5 or so minute video, but I'll give you the short version.
Two handed is more accurate than one handed in every normal case
You improve by shooting, dry firing and thinking long and hard about it
What about grip? What about arm position? What about breathing? I find one handed to be different from two handed grip on the gun.
@@1yehny It usually is different. Browse youtube for stances and figure out what works for you, Paul Harrel has a video on it if I remember right, Hickock45 as well I think.
Breathing isn't as important as everyone say it is, breathe out when you shoot, breathe in, hold it, doesn't matter after you settle in
Paul is the best, no question about it.
Could you test the effectiveness of the "PDX1 defender" rounds by Winchester? It's a shotshell with a rifled slug AND 3 plated 00 buckshot. If you have already done a review on those rounds I apologize for having missed it.
I shot something like that in the Taurus judge, but not in a 12 ga. I'll see if I can find some.
The pdx1 segmenting slug without the 00buck is far better
@@PaulHarrell
Thank you for the response. I have a box of these shotshells, but I have never fired them. Just curious how well they pattern and penetrate. I bought them at Wal-Mart so they should be easy to find for testing.
Chris C. Even if he showed you how they patterned out of his shotgun you’d still need to shoot them out of your own ,don’t be afraid to get out there and shoot some shit,I can’t put a gun into my active rotation until I’ve fully broke it in and got myself aquatinted with it and I won’t put any kind of ammo into my daily defensive guns be it my sidearms or the shotgun by the bed that I haven’t fully tested for feeding issues/mag issues anything else just general unreliability or sometimes ammo that every other gun loves is completely useless out of the one you got.
New to shooting. May I request a short video on chronographs? What makes a good/bad model etc. . .
I second (😄) that suggestion but we would need to kick in some cash on the Patrion account to help pay for them.
I've had really good luck with the Competition Electronics Pro Chrono and the CED Millennium. I think both are easy to find at a lot of shooting retailers.
that is a great question ! are the high price ones worth it or can a jober one get the same results. but like in many if not all of his videos he dose say they tend to not agree with one another. so maybe explain why they do get the same results. would be cool as heck if AVE and him did a video together. uncle bumblefuck has a way of explaining things ;)
Not trying to rain on your new hobby but a chronograph is above novice level. If you have the money you can but I'd spend it on ammo and targets until you settle in some. Have fun
@@andystampfli9127 Fair enough. Baby steps. Thanks for the advice.
Last, but certainly not least, keep the videos coming, Paul. By far, this is my FAVORITE firearms channel on YT. Keep up the exceptional work!
I’ll watch anything dealing with controlling the flight of a wad...lol!
Normally on Pornhub tho.
Frank Butta - cheap sunglasses work for me.
Too many double entendres'. At Christmas my Bother and I had a very awkward conversation with our Mother about what he really bought me since I was very pleased that he bought me a 5" black ball starter and a fine brass nipple pick.
Good Video!! Well, I am not a gun expert, I don't "hunt" either. But I live on what is left of our "family farm" and the Big City has sprawled out and just about RUINED everything. Since that happened it has turned in to a high crime area. I have been burglarized a number of times and my employee I used to have a family members have been the victims of violence. So, my guns are for "home defense" etc. I don't have the ability to do "scientice tests" but I do "practice" fairly often and do enjoy simple target shoting. I bought a Case of the Federal Law enforcement 12 gauge ammo with the Flite Control wadding because it was on sale from an on-line dealer and the price was good. I normally buy Remington or Winchester as a rule. With a Shotgun I rarely shoot over 65 FEET not Yards, but FEET, and with the "Flite Control" wadding I get a pattern with a diameter of about 2 inches and the wadding is often stuck in the HOLE the pellets make or the wadding is lying at the FEET of the target after hitting it and falling on the ground. But I repeat, this is at about 65, maybe 70 feet or LESS, not more. I LIKE Remington and Winchester Buckshot, from shooting targets, those two appear to really do the job at close combat distance 70 feet or less. I notice the "Brass" on Remington (it is attracted to a Magnet so it is ferrous metal and NOT brass, but the "cup" for the power is twice as tall at the Federal Cup. The Federal "brass cup" is NOT magnetic. That trivia seems to NOT MATTER at all. The Federal Law Enforcement, Flite control Wadding 12 gauge has plenty of GAS to cycle my Remington 1100 autoloader. But from a "feel" of shooting it it seems the Federal has slightly less "power" or "Pressure". But that is NOT scientific and I am not an expert.
I have never fired the stuff at the distance you are shooting at. This is a very good and interesting video to me. Thanks, BB
This may be common understanding for some but I am curious, where was your point of aim? I'm assuming at the center of the vital area but it would be nice to know as a reference (Point of Aim vs Point of Impact).
Most shotguns have non adjustable beads so the point of aim is different for each. With the Model 11 in this video it is very well centered with most ammo, but the federal patterned a little high. I ended up having to shoot at the bottom of the chest cavity.
@@PaulHarrell Thank you!
Love your videos. Very informative. Your steadfast professionalism; passion for responsible and effective firearm application is self evident! Semper Fi!!
Jesus, that was prob the most informative video on patterning of Buck shot that I have ever seen. Dam good job
Hey Paul could you do a video on the 327 Federal? Would love your input on it
Id like to see that one too.
I would also like to see .44 special.
I would like that also .
@@TreeWizard648 : 44 Special v. meat target and chronograph would be interesting.
I’d like him to do some vs videos of some of the newer ammo types, 357 mag vs 327 Fed. And the 350 legend and the other typical low recoil deer rounds.
This guy is so good. Only channel I like that his videos are over 10 minutes
Paul, have you ever tested cut shells for effectiveness?
That would be cool to see
I do believe he has a video on cut shells, not so much as testing them but explaining how and why it's a bad idea.
yes he has a video of it and also wax loads...I've done the cut shell since I was a kid and the wax trick is cool to see.
Many of our students had watched movies which gave an unrealistic representation of pattern spread. A rule of thumb, so to speak, was that a pattern of buckshot when fired through a cylinder choked barrel would spread ~ 1 inch per yard of travel. There have been advances in shotshell technology since then with, for example, Federal Premium that will shoot tighter patterns than had been achieved before, but that improvement begins to be seen at longer ranges of ~ 20 yards and beyond.
8:15 - Can you do four boxes across? ;)
@Paul, I have recently discovered your vids and I'm watching them non-stop.
I have never found a UA-camr that explains the way you do, takes into account almost every aspect, the way you said that the results might be off but they are at least relative to each other....My friend, if that is not vivid proof of professionalism, I do not know what is. Keep up the good work, you are a genius.
Isn't the target small for a deer? That's cocker spaniel size.
My bad, it wasn't part one, it was our video on paper targets.
Yes, it is. He addressed that in his previous video. I believe the reason was to error on the side of unfavorable conditions.
Those are east TX deer.
Just think of it as the deer is farther away
Sorry Paul. I think the paper target video is the only one I never watched. I KNEW I was going to get called out.
Great job again! Enjoying the channel, Paul.
@8:22, was that magic?
It was was Paul, of course it was magic.