I have learned a ton from this man! I remember watching him back over a year ago when I was getting into mining, he taught me everything I know ;) On a more serious note, this content is fantastic and perfect for new miners!
Red Panda I can't thank you enough. I just built my first rig a few days before Halloween and if it wasn't for your videos I would've been way too nervous to do half of this stuff. You have such a great way of getting straight to the point and I love the emphasis on safety. So many youtubers are manipulating code to get an extra half a MH/s but you're explaining the stuff that helps me sleep better at night. Thank you. Also the rig I built is three 3070 LHRs, running at 398W and getting about 125 MH/s on NBMiner 39.7 if anyone was curious. Mining on Ethash.
Do you plan to stick with nbminer with the lhr cards? I’m not sure what to do with my 3080lhr just that it’s as stable as one would hope but I’m not sure if I’m missing out on better gains as I’ve just been using nicehashQM as a “set and forget” kind of way.
@@Equin0xVG NBMiner has treated me well so far. I've done it for both Ravencoin and Eth and it ran really well both times. I'd do more testing but it's my only dedicated rig and I don't wanna shut it down and experiment.
You can purchase a caliper tool, cut the wire and measure the core, you can check the standar lf awg on internet. I did already did this and “regular” splitters are 22 awg, while the ones with “mesh sleeve” are 18 awg.
I upgraded to 240v 30amp service in my attic, and built a custom mining room. I have two circuits available that are wired into a separate outside panel, upgraded the inside panel and total home service to 200amp as well, and replaced the original aluminum main service line with copper. It cost me over $7k but was sooo worth it, that figure includes repairing some damage to the mast and main service meter box as well, so it’s not all the upgrade cost, but it was still so worth it. Now I have all my rigs in one well ventilated room, away from the main living area, and it is nice not having computers and fans going in every room of the house! That’s how I did it before, so I didn’t overload the 110 circuits as you alluded to in your video. I wholeheartedly recommend upgrading and spending the money, unless you just have one or two rigs, because the upgrade will pay for itself many times over as well as improve your overall mining experience. PDUs > cheap power strips 🤝 btw I have 22 GPUs, all 6000series amd or 1660-30 series NVIDIA. I’m having the time of my life! So glad I found mining and channels like yours red panda! Thank you!
Good advice on not over heating wires. Here is how to work it out with whatever voltage your country has... (120/220) take the amount of Amps the breaker is rated for, multiply it by 0.707, that is the max amount of amps you can draw without tripping the circuit. The country has a standard so house wiring should be ok. (30amp breaker x 0.707, the root mean square is roughly 23 amps max). Pray you have the correct guage/awg wires rated for the breaker. Older houses don't, or have sub standard wiring. For computers psu's it depends on steal, copper,aluminum, threaded or solid cable design but the math still holds if a psu driving all pc components is rated at 500W at 120V the max it can do is 4Amps. Which is probably ok, until you connect multiple gpu's. That is when the fires start. Make sure you buy decent cables.
Great great great input. I had a cheap surge protector and noticed it got hot at the outlet. One more thing Im not sure you mentioned - 240V is more power-efficient and reduces power consumption over 120V by about 1-2% which adds up quickly.
I had 1100w on its own 15a 120v circuit, on a power strip rated for 1875w with 14awg cable and nothing else on the circuit. The outlet was HOT to the touch and discolored the white plastic of the outlet. Installed an L6 30 and am so glad I did
I hope you replaced the receptacle anyway! sounds more like it had a bad connection I never get cheap surge protectors and replaced a ton of receptacles in this old house. never had an issue running ~1400w on any one circuit, but have an L6 in the garage now with a metered PDU
I made a video about powering mining rigs using 120V/15A outlets and the type of surge protectors I look for. It should be safe as long as you account for other items on the circuit and use good quality surges. Nice video RPM 👍
Very informative and helpful video. You might want to think about consolidating 6 into 12 gpu in one rig by putting another frame in the back of the first one and put 6 on each frame going into 1 motherboard. Too many rigs add to electrical and hardware overhead.
good information, you need to be mindful of the insulation also. thicker insulation is good to have especially with dc voltage. the more strands the better (larger gauge) , since the voltage travels around the outside of the copper strand. i know flir cameras aren't in most individual's tool case they can help identify hot spots to find potential problems.
@@typodapsycho1734 Strands just there so that the cable is flexible. A solid copper cable would carry more current (for same diameter) but be prone to snapping.
True A lot of scams left and right with the cables. I've tried to get a quote from Molex for premade pcie assemblies and they don't do 6+2 header whatsoever lol. You can find out if cable has advertised core just by using a weight scale and some spreadsheet that will calculate what it should be based on selected type of cable and leght, that will be based on precisely measured weight of 16/18AWG wire per unit of lenght and how much per connector with contacts(thumbs up if you want me to make one). I compared selfmade 16AWG cable with scam 24AWG "18AWG" cable and there was like 15 grams of difference so kitchen scale is more than accurate enough. Regarding fires from using SATA on risers, if main power cables are lacking then excessive return current path may take route thru riser and carry easily 2x more what it should at most and GPU won't trip on it because it measures only input current not output(return).
Had issues with RX6800, riser feeded via SATA to PCI-6. It made GPU crash randomly, maybe every 2 hours, 2 days or 2 weeks, but not reliable at all. Card was draining only total 98w, and had 2 PCI-8 too. Curious fact, used SATA to Pci-6 on other cards, and no problem, but tried with 2 different RX6800, both crashed.
Dude great tips. Ive already upgraded power on my risers! Im a pretty new miner, would love a video on Ledger and if you mine directly to Ledger or local wallets etc.
Missed the most important safety tip....amp your plug going into the wall a fraction above what you pull. That way if you have a power spike it blows the fuse. Best way is to use an adapter to measure your wattage and check what amps are being pulled then swap out the fuse for one as close as possible no point having a 12amp fuse if pulling 4.3amp. That way provided all your cabling and psu side is ok it's nearly impossible to draw more than you need. Many a fire would have been prevented if people did that. For me having the HP PSU and break out boards with individual 6pin to 8pins cables (16 gauge) going to each riser and card is the safest. I then keep it less than 80% of psu power and amp accordingly on each plug.
My solution for upgrading my power infrastructure without going to 30A 240V was 20A 120V circuits. 20A breakers paired with 20A power strips. I just have two 30 series rigs and needed more than 15A 120v but not quite enough to go straight to 240V. My rigs have been running consistently and reliably for a few months now with no issues. It’s a nice middle ground between 15A and 30A.
If you run your circuits on 240VAC, it will cut your amp draw in half on any circuit Running 120VAC adversely doubles your amp draw when comparing to 240VAC. You are not being more efficient running on 120VAC with a 20A breaker. Breakers have nothing to do with energy consumption, they’re only put in place as an overload protection device. Please DYOR on Watts Law, Ohms Law and Kirchhoff’s Laws...!
@@timothypeterjr.8876 +1, I upgraded to 240v and the electrician told me 6amp 110 is equal to 3amp 220, which significantly reduces electrical cost on the monthly bill. I can attest that my cost has gone down since I upgraded. Currently pulling 3800w at 15.7amps. It was nearly 30amp spread around my whole house before the upgrade and my electrical panel was literally hot to the touch, because I was actually overloading it and did not realize. I’m fortunate I didn’t burn down my house, seriously. Currently have 1.2GH on ETH, 22 GPUs, total power draw is over 4500w when you count the rigs that aren’t in the mining room currently on 240v.
I wish I could do something like this. I just don't have the capital for the upfront costs. Lol. It's really amazing that you're providing your knowledge and experience to the world. It's cool to see how the pros do it.
Awesome man. Good to see where your journey has taken you. You beat me to this video. This was on my list to shoot of different things I have learned along the way. From building a rig in the corner of my empty office to having a basement corner filled with rigs lol. Always enjoy your content. Helped me out a lot along my journey so far. Switching to 240v wat the biggest difference. Now I just need more power to my house to run more.
Cutting those wires and inspecting the number of strands of copper and the gauge of the copper will tell a lot. Interested to see if we find that some are using thicker insulators while skimping on copper. Happy sciencing 🙏
What is your recommendation to power a 6, 3090 server case? The cases came with a 3300w PSU, but the PSU has the cheap Alibaba power cables attached to it. Looking for a different power option.
Definitely essential information. Wish you had posted this a month again. I've broken every one of your cardinal rules in the past week! Thanks for setting me straight, RPM!
Note that outlets need not be in the same room that are on the same circuit. You need to verify that the circuit was correctly wired with the appropriate AWG wire and that the total load on the entire circuit (not outlet) is 80% of the amps x volts of the circuits. If you are going to use a power bar, use a UL rated bar and verify the specs. Also, why would anyone think it's safe to use a 6 pin to 2x 8 pin splitter? This is always a bad idea
Love your videos, I got into mining here recently and your principles has made everything smooth sailing. Video idea: I’ve done a lot of finance and money videos and I haven’t seen any miner do a thorough ROI calculation and profitability of mining. Literally having a business plan and everything to ensure success. I’ve done this myself to make sure I stay profitable but i feel like no video has shown that. Maybe I need to make that one
thx man you are the best !!!!!! i live in Poland and the "block of flats" is old i I have been living there for over 20 years so but i will start like 1 gpu mind i don`t need big money but i don`t know if this is like good i like to buy a RTX5000
i always liked these adapters so i can make new things like using them to power 120mm 12v fans or 80-92mm fans to help do a push-pull fan for PSU since they also produce heat
RP stresses using the 8 pin to 8 pin splitter cables. Does it make that much of a difference when you are feeding from a 6 pin breakout board? I'm strictly using the ZSX board from Parallel Miner and they only feed from 6 pin.
Or you could get 9-10 amp terminals, 16-14 AWG wire with silicone isolation (by us standarts im in europe) and make your own splitters or cables. I solder everything. Even the in the power bars. Not that hard and very safe. Cheaper too.
Can u make a vid about gpu life on mining... when should we sell them n get new ones? How often does the fans die? Do u repair/change heat sink when fans fail?
Hey all! For graphics card power, does anyone know if there is a typical split between the power supplied through the pcie connector and the additional 6/8pin connectors. For example if a card is drawing 100w would it take 75w from the pcie connector, then 25w from the 6/8 pin? Or would it split equally, or something completely different? Thanks!
I been using sata to my riser about 1 years + for all 1660 super and haven’t face any burn yet , maybe im lucky or maybe 1660s power consumption are low😅 1 sata 1 riser i think should be okay for 1660s
Hey man. Some questions from a begginer: How do you power 3 8-pin pcie connector gpus? Is it safe power it with one 8pin to 2 8pin pcie splitter? And psus with pcie sli cables (8pin from psu to dual 8pin gpu, is it safe to use one splitter for each 8pin from there? Thank you as always for the great content. I've really learned a lot from it.
@@wwyhkop as you may know, server uses 240v, if at 110v/120 they run at less wattage, example for me in USA, NAE, I have a weird electricity setup, trynna run another 120v 20v 2 linesfor an almost 5k watts extra of room so it works for my other rigs, is really hard in here to upgrade electricity and so on...
240 is more efficient, but I run on 120V and run each rig on a tripplite power conditioner to the plug where an electrician came out and my 2 dedicated 30 Amp circuits. Splitters are No good, run direct from PSU SATA risers are fine, check wiring, thicker the better, just DON'T run more than 2 risers per power wire. Evenly split wattage on multi PSU rigs. 8x1080Ti's FTW3 @ 80% TDP and 7xR-Vii's @ 85% TDP You need a 10$ Walmart box fan in front of each rig bro🤑
Great video. I loved to hear more information. I am interested in which motherboards are you running on your 6 GPU rigs. This is what I run but I haven't been been having any luck with the newer motherboards. Thank you very much.
Nothing wrong with aluminum wire. In fact, it’s highly likely the wires feeding you 200 amp are aluminum into your main panel. It just has different thermal expansion characteristics than copper. And older aluminum alloys tend to oxidize when exposed to air, so the ends attached to lugs or breakers were supposed to have a dielectric grease to keep air away from them. It is a problem with too much watts through too high gauge wire, either aluminum or copper. Aluminum you typically just go one or two gauge more than copper, and for long runs, ends up being a lot cheaper and just as safe. Always check with electrician though.
I agree in all the stuff except sata power. Your card wont use sata to get power, that's only for those carda which don't have pcie power to supply them. In my experience, sata works fine in every card i've used. Rx 570, 580, 590, 5500, 5700, 6700, 6800 and gtx 1660ti, 1660 super, rtx 2060, 3060, 3070, 3080, 3090 and those lhr too. I think you are not recommending that based on technical information but just intuition. In conclusion, sata only needs to deliver power to power on the riser, not to run the card.
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I used the coupon code to get some splitters. I got 5 3070 Ti’s and did not know it used two pcie. One problem I keep running into is the miner just shuts down and restarts so I’m hoping to figure that out soon because this is my 1st miner on a mining motherboard
I don't think that more gpus will work even with the bifurcation splitters because normal consumer motherboards just don't have enough rom space to allocate to all those gpus. Craft computing on youtube had this problem with some radeon firepro and nvidia tesla gpus because those gpus do split them self into like 32 smaller gpus that motherboard detects separetly. So what i'm thinking best doing is getting an older AMD EPYC motherboard (1 gen or 2. gen) with an older epyc cpu. Because server boards are made to handle more gpus and more pcie devices! and the newer epyc cpus even have 128PCIE lanes!
Where do you find them long pcie cables, i have the hardest time finding 8 pin to 8pin pcie cables. My power supplies all have 8 pin only ones i find are the 6 pin cables that go to 8 pin
Om.. Nubi mau tanya.. Nubi baru beli rig 3x asus 2060 dual oc. Pake mobo esonic b250 psu corsair hx 1000, ram corsair 8gb, ssd sata 240gb. Settingan afterburner : - fan 70 - power limit 80 - temp limit 65 - memclock 1000-1200 - coreclock curve flat 1100. (85-90watt) - gpu z detect voltase 0.72 volt Nubi make aplikasi nicehash miner. Settingan afterburner udh di set kalau CPU startup auto pakai settingan yg sudah di stel. Ketika running memang pakai setelan afterburnee, tapi sering terjadi, ketika sudah 30-1jam pemakaian settingan afterburner berubah jadi default sendiri pada 1-2 vga. Itu kenapa ya om? Yg lain jg boleh bantu jwb. 🙏🙏
Nearly every PCIe splitter cable I have seen is made in China. No matter who sells them here. I do not believe they undergo independent lab testing such as UL so quality control of any brand is truly unknown. If a company advertises that theirs meet a certain standard, they should be able to provide independent lab results to back that claim up. They surely would be asked that if they end up in court.
I got a GALAX 3080ti for mining, however whenever I overclock its memory to anything over 900, the core clock drops to around 850-950 and my hashrate is cut to about 78-79Mh/s while my other 3080ti from INNO3D pulls 90Mh/s with an easy 1500 on the mem without triggering the lhr lock. Can anyone help me?
No offense to anyone, but there is a lot of horror-shows in terms of electricity on mining rigs. Some have bad wiring, cheap connectors etc.. Although the rig itself is pretty nice, but the nicer setup you are using the more careful you have to be to make sure you don't exeed the amp/w on that circuit. To make a 3 year old understand; 15 Amps circuit can pull 1800 watts (120v) or 3300 watts (220v). 16 Amps circuit can pull 1920 watts (120v) or 3520 watts (220v). Never reach the limit as this works same way as ur GPU in terms on damage. Reaching the watt limit in your circuit while running your rig can overheat the circuit, or even the weakest link in your rig.
hi red panda ...one simple question how to do you manage electricity fluctuation...do you use any Ups kind of things...actually in my place electricity fluctuation is a major issue
Red panda i need help!, im mining on 3 gpus, a 3080 non-lhr, on 16x lane first one, a 3060ti whish my 60hz display is on for daily use on 8x lane second i belvie , (hdmi), and i use the fifth last one x1 pcie lane with a riser on my 1080, but when mining with the 1080 everything laggs like hell on the computer, but im not even on display on that card?,. and it all started after i upgraded to a 1200w psu, from a 700w, and earlier i used molex to power that riser, now i use 8pin from psu, to 6 pin riser, and then ofc power to gpu, so no more molex, thats all the change i did, and im lagging balls as soon as i start mining with the 1080. if i stop mining 1080 computers fast again?, can it be motherboard related? that im litearlly clogging up my pcie-lanes? so this is the limit on this mobo? im out of ideas, anyone help please i used to be able to watch youtube wile gaming or make studying , or even play lighter games, no isseus, 5800x rzen cpu, 32gb ram, but now computer is unusable when minig on the riser with 1080.
Hello fellas, (3080Ti Founders Edition) my vram is still running too hot after changing the thermal pads. I connect one 8 pin pci and one adapter on Sata to the PSU. Is that maybe causing the trouble I have? Card mines around 108-110° vram temp and throttles and so on... really need advise
Just to preface this, I don’t and will never do this; But could you use SATA to PCIE mining on something like an RX6600XT where it’s drawing 55 watts at most on ethereum?
Where to get 16awg gpu pcie cables in Europe? I am tired of melting and burning cables on my 3080's rig! HELP PS: You messed up the gauge measurement, the less awg the thicker and better the cables are !
yea, taking down 6 cards when one of them goes bad is better than having to take down 12 of them for one problem card. Better isolation of the issue as well. thanks.
Using PDU is dumb waste of money. Just wire more circuits. Use 30A breakers on 12 Ga wire because that is completely fine for a short run like 4ft from your breaker box to your outlet.
I have learned a ton from this man! I remember watching him back over a year ago when I was getting into mining, he taught me everything I know ;)
On a more serious note, this content is fantastic and perfect for new miners!
Yeah me too i agree ❤👍
Red Panda I can't thank you enough. I just built my first rig a few days before Halloween and if it wasn't for your videos I would've been way too nervous to do half of this stuff. You have such a great way of getting straight to the point and I love the emphasis on safety. So many youtubers are manipulating code to get an extra half a MH/s but you're explaining the stuff that helps me sleep better at night. Thank you.
Also the rig I built is three 3070 LHRs, running at 398W and getting about 125 MH/s on NBMiner 39.7 if anyone was curious. Mining on Ethash.
Do you plan to stick with nbminer with the lhr cards? I’m not sure what to do with my 3080lhr just that it’s as stable as one would hope but I’m not sure if I’m missing out on better gains as I’ve just been using nicehashQM as a “set and forget” kind of way.
@@Equin0xVG NBMiner has treated me well so far. I've done it for both Ravencoin and Eth and it ran really well both times.
I'd do more testing but it's my only dedicated rig and I don't wanna shut it down and experiment.
You can purchase a caliper tool, cut the wire and measure the core, you can check the standar lf awg on internet. I did already did this and “regular” splitters are 22 awg, while the ones with “mesh sleeve” are 18 awg.
I upgraded to 240v 30amp service in my attic, and built a custom mining room. I have two circuits available that are wired into a separate outside panel, upgraded the inside panel and total home service to 200amp as well, and replaced the original aluminum main service line with copper. It cost me over $7k but was sooo worth it, that figure includes repairing some damage to the mast and main service meter box as well, so it’s not all the upgrade cost, but it was still so worth it. Now I have all my rigs in one well ventilated room, away from the main living area, and it is nice not having computers and fans going in every room of the house! That’s how I did it before, so I didn’t overload the 110 circuits as you alluded to in your video. I wholeheartedly recommend upgrading and spending the money, unless you just have one or two rigs, because the upgrade will pay for itself many times over as well as improve your overall mining experience. PDUs > cheap power strips 🤝 btw I have 22 GPUs, all 6000series amd or 1660-30 series NVIDIA. I’m having the time of my life! So glad I found mining and channels like yours red panda! Thank you!
Good advice on not over heating wires. Here is how to work it out with whatever voltage your country has... (120/220) take the amount of Amps the breaker is rated for, multiply it by 0.707, that is the max amount of amps you can draw without tripping the circuit. The country has a standard so house wiring should be ok. (30amp breaker x 0.707, the root mean square is roughly 23 amps max). Pray you have the correct guage/awg wires rated for the breaker. Older houses don't, or have sub standard wiring. For computers psu's it depends on steal, copper,aluminum, threaded or solid cable design but the math still holds if a psu driving all pc components is rated at 500W at 120V the max it can do is 4Amps. Which is probably ok, until you connect multiple gpu's. That is when the fires start. Make sure you buy decent cables.
Great great great input. I had a cheap surge protector and noticed it got hot at the outlet. One more thing Im not sure you mentioned - 240V is more power-efficient and reduces power consumption over 120V by about 1-2% which adds up quickly.
It depends on your electrical cost. A bigger concern is running out of power for more gpus by having a lot lost to inefficiency
I had 1100w on its own 15a 120v circuit, on a power strip rated for 1875w with 14awg cable and nothing else on the circuit. The outlet was HOT to the touch and discolored the white plastic of the outlet. Installed an L6 30 and am so glad I did
I hope you replaced the receptacle anyway! sounds more like it had a bad connection
I never get cheap surge protectors and replaced a ton of receptacles in this old house. never had an issue running ~1400w on any one circuit, but have an L6 in the garage now with a metered PDU
I made a video about powering mining rigs using 120V/15A outlets and the type of surge protectors I look for. It should be safe as long as you account for other items on the circuit and use good quality surges. Nice video RPM 👍
Very informative and helpful video. You might want to think about consolidating 6 into 12 gpu in one rig by putting another frame in the back of the first one and put 6 on each frame going into 1 motherboard. Too many rigs add to electrical and hardware overhead.
good information, you need to be mindful of the insulation also. thicker insulation is good to have especially with dc voltage. the more strands the better (larger gauge) , since the voltage travels around the outside of the copper strand. i know flir cameras aren't in most individual's tool case they can help identify hot spots to find potential problems.
This by far the most helpful video I’ve seen. I always worry about electricity and now I have an idea about what to look out for. Thank you 👍🏾
"I know many ways about how to start a fire.." - Red Panda 🔥
Keep in mind when you go to measure the thickness of the wires that the amount of stands makes a big difference in amp capacity
No, absolutely not a big difference unless the strands are a significant fraction of the total diameter of the conductor.
@@samiraperi467 but strand count has to make a difference with something, right?
Seriously asking appreciate the info
@@typodapsycho1734 Strands just there so that the cable is flexible. A solid copper cable would carry more current (for same diameter) but be prone to snapping.
True A lot of scams left and right with the cables.
I've tried to get a quote from Molex for premade pcie assemblies and they don't do 6+2 header whatsoever lol.
You can find out if cable has advertised core just by using a weight scale and some spreadsheet that will calculate what it should be based on selected type of cable and leght, that will be based on precisely measured weight of 16/18AWG wire per unit of lenght and how much per connector with contacts(thumbs up if you want me to make one).
I compared selfmade 16AWG cable with scam 24AWG "18AWG" cable and there was like 15 grams of difference so kitchen scale is more than accurate enough.
Regarding fires from using SATA on risers, if main power cables are lacking then excessive return current path may take route thru riser and carry easily 2x more what it should at most and GPU won't trip on it because it measures only input current not output(return).
I’m happy to live in Australia to have 10A 240v as standard out the wall. My house got new wiring about 10y ago and has 15a breakers on each phase.
Had issues with RX6800, riser feeded via SATA to PCI-6. It made GPU crash randomly, maybe every 2 hours, 2 days or 2 weeks, but not reliable at all. Card was draining only total 98w, and had 2 PCI-8 too. Curious fact, used SATA to Pci-6 on other cards, and no problem, but tried with 2 different RX6800, both crashed.
I only use 240V 30A to power the GPU rig. Other things such as fans pull power from 120V outlet. So there is no fire hazard for 120V outlet.
Dude great tips. Ive already upgraded power on my risers! Im a pretty new miner, would love a video on Ledger and if you mine directly to Ledger or local wallets etc.
Missed the most important safety tip....amp your plug going into the wall a fraction above what you pull. That way if you have a power spike it blows the fuse. Best way is to use an adapter to measure your wattage and check what amps are being pulled then swap out the fuse for one as close as possible no point having a 12amp fuse if pulling 4.3amp. That way provided all your cabling and psu side is ok it's nearly impossible to draw more than you need. Many a fire would have been prevented if people did that.
For me having the HP PSU and break out boards with individual 6pin to 8pins cables (16 gauge) going to each riser and card is the safest. I then keep it less than 80% of psu power and amp accordingly on each plug.
Smashed the LIKE button the moment your first topic was cheap surger protectors. Quality content as always!
Uk. We run 240v. We use electrical rings. For your equivalent our 3 phase is 480v. 🧐
My solution for upgrading my power infrastructure without going to 30A 240V was 20A 120V circuits. 20A breakers paired with 20A power strips. I just have two 30 series rigs and needed more than 15A 120v but not quite enough to go straight to 240V. My rigs have been running consistently and reliably for a few months now with no issues. It’s a nice middle ground between 15A and 30A.
If you run your circuits on 240VAC, it will cut your amp draw in half on any circuit Running 120VAC adversely doubles your amp draw when comparing to 240VAC. You are not being more efficient running on 120VAC with a 20A breaker. Breakers have nothing to do with energy consumption, they’re only put in place as an overload protection device. Please DYOR on Watts Law, Ohms Law and Kirchhoff’s Laws...!
@@timothypeterjr.8876 +1, I upgraded to 240v and the electrician told me 6amp 110 is equal to 3amp 220, which significantly reduces electrical cost on the monthly bill. I can attest that my cost has gone down since I upgraded. Currently pulling 3800w at 15.7amps. It was nearly 30amp spread around my whole house before the upgrade and my electrical panel was literally hot to the touch, because I was actually overloading it and did not realize. I’m fortunate I didn’t burn down my house, seriously. Currently have 1.2GH on ETH, 22 GPUs, total power draw is over 4500w when you count the rigs that aren’t in the mining room currently on 240v.
Funny that i was having the same exact question this morning. I did in fact cutted an Aliexpress splitter and found it's a big crap too
I wish I could do something like this. I just don't have the capital for the upfront costs. Lol. It's really amazing that you're providing your knowledge and experience to the world. It's cool to see how the pros do it.
Awesome man. Good to see where your journey has taken you. You beat me to this video. This was on my list to shoot of different things I have learned along the way. From building a rig in the corner of my empty office to having a basement corner filled with rigs lol. Always enjoy your content. Helped me out a lot along my journey so far. Switching to 240v wat the biggest difference. Now I just need more power to my house to run more.
Cutting those wires and inspecting the number of strands of copper and the gauge of the copper will tell a lot. Interested to see if we find that some are using thicker insulators while skimping on copper. Happy sciencing 🙏
Just got a quote to upgrade my power panel switching to a 125 amp main breaker, 240v 30 amp circuit being added in for Asics. 4k estimate..
What is your recommendation to power a 6, 3090 server case? The cases came with a 3300w PSU, but the PSU has the cheap Alibaba power cables attached to it. Looking for a different power option.
Definitely essential information. Wish you had posted this a month again. I've broken every one of your cardinal rules in the past week! Thanks for setting me straight, RPM!
Totally agree about the cheap splitters.
Note that outlets need not be in the same room that are on the same circuit. You need to verify that the circuit was correctly wired with the appropriate AWG wire and that the total load on the entire circuit (not outlet) is 80% of the amps x volts of the circuits.
If you are going to use a power bar, use a UL rated bar and verify the specs.
Also, why would anyone think it's safe to use a 6 pin to 2x 8 pin splitter? This is always a bad idea
I’ve actually burnt up power supplies because of the sata power connector to the risers. Keep away from using them.
Love your videos, I got into mining here recently and your principles has made everything smooth sailing. Video idea: I’ve done a lot of finance and money videos and I haven’t seen any miner do a thorough ROI calculation and profitability of mining. Literally having a business plan and everything to ensure success. I’ve done this myself to make sure I stay profitable but i feel like no video has shown that.
Maybe I need to make that one
When it comes to sata - never use molded ones, even for your hdd drives. Great video, just checked my power bar :)
so what do u recommend..im new.. which type of cables..picture will be helpfull
I cut some of my sata - pcie power cables which i was never going to use. They were labeled 18 awg, it was actually 22 awg.
I have been using SATA for my risers for at least 8month now 24/7 and had no problems with it....
thx man you are the best !!!!!! i live in Poland and the "block of flats" is old i I have been living there for over 20 years so but i will start like 1 gpu mind i don`t need big money but i don`t know if this is like good i like to buy a RTX5000
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i always liked these adapters so i can make new things like using them to power 120mm 12v fans or 80-92mm fans to help do a push-pull fan for PSU since they also produce heat
my journey with mining starts with you sir, few months back!
That wire cutting vid will be great to watch 👍
RP stresses using the 8 pin to 8 pin splitter cables. Does it make that much of a difference when you are feeding from a 6 pin breakout board? I'm strictly using the ZSX board from Parallel Miner and they only feed from 6 pin.
Or you could get 9-10 amp terminals, 16-14 AWG wire with silicone isolation (by us standarts im in europe) and make your own splitters or cables. I solder everything. Even the in the power bars. Not that hard and very safe. Cheaper too.
Can u make a vid about gpu life on mining... when should we sell them n get new ones? How often does the fans die? Do u repair/change heat sink when fans fail?
How about server cases for small miners. They won't get dusty easily too
Hey all! For graphics card power, does anyone know if there is a typical split between the power supplied through the pcie connector and the additional 6/8pin connectors. For example if a card is drawing 100w would it take 75w from the pcie connector, then 25w from the 6/8 pin? Or would it split equally, or something completely different? Thanks!
8:20 Why don't you get yourself a pair of wire cutters and cut some of those splitters up. Then do actual wire gauge measurements!
I didn’t know u can use splitter like that.. I have 1 individual cable on everything…
hello panda, the problem was the GPUriser was not ship to saudia arabia
I been using sata to my riser about 1 years + for all 1660 super and haven’t face any burn yet , maybe im lucky or maybe 1660s power consumption are low😅 1 sata 1 riser i think should be okay for 1660s
Hey man. Some questions from a begginer: How do you power 3 8-pin pcie connector gpus? Is it safe power it with one 8pin to 2 8pin pcie splitter? And psus with pcie sli cables (8pin from psu to dual 8pin gpu, is it safe to use one splitter for each 8pin from there? Thank you as always for the great content. I've really learned a lot from it.
user server power.
@@wwyhkop as you may know, server uses 240v, if at 110v/120 they run at less wattage, example for me in USA, NAE, I have a weird electricity setup, trynna run another 120v 20v 2 linesfor an almost 5k watts extra of room so it works for my other rigs, is really hard in here to upgrade electricity and so on...
Don't forget the fire detectors, or even automatic extinguishers...... i have both....
1 6 pin to 6 , 6 pin use for riser for 75 watts that will be better result
i made it by my self by 18 gage of coper wire
240 is more efficient, but I run on 120V and run each rig on a tripplite power conditioner to the plug where an electrician came out and my 2 dedicated 30 Amp circuits.
Splitters are No good, run direct from PSU
SATA risers are fine, check wiring, thicker the better, just DON'T run more than 2 risers per power wire.
Evenly split wattage on multi PSU rigs.
8x1080Ti's FTW3 @ 80% TDP and 7xR-Vii's @ 85% TDP
You need a 10$ Walmart box fan in front of each rig bro🤑
They're not $10 box fans anymore... you're looking to spend $40CAD on the cheapest box fan they have now.
Great video. I loved to hear more information. I am interested in which motherboards are you running on your 6 GPU rigs. This is what I run but I haven't been been having any luck with the newer motherboards. Thank you very much.
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Those sata adapters are the DEVIL. I actually had my first burn out on one the other day. I stopped using them immediately.
thankfully 6 plus gpu heat issues isn't that bad in the winter.
Living in Australia we have 240v at the wall as standard
Yellow pcie splitter has fire hazard. It burned down on the 3060 ti GPU. I only use black one with sleeve now.
Nothing wrong with aluminum wire. In fact, it’s highly likely the wires feeding you 200 amp are aluminum into your main panel. It just has different thermal expansion characteristics than copper.
And older aluminum alloys tend to oxidize when exposed to air, so the ends attached to lugs or breakers were supposed to have a dielectric grease to keep air away from them.
It is a problem with too much watts through too high gauge wire, either aluminum or copper. Aluminum you typically just go one or two gauge more than copper, and for long runs, ends up being a lot cheaper and just as safe.
Always check with electrician though.
I agree in all the stuff except sata power. Your card wont use sata to get power, that's only for those carda which don't have pcie power to supply them. In my experience, sata works fine in every card i've used. Rx 570, 580, 590, 5500, 5700, 6700, 6800 and gtx 1660ti, 1660 super, rtx 2060, 3060, 3070, 3080, 3090 and those lhr too. I think you are not recommending that based on technical information but just intuition. In conclusion, sata only needs to deliver power to power on the riser, not to run the card.
Why sata cable is hot when card is taking 90w, but cold with 40w?
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I used the coupon code to get some splitters. I got 5 3070 Ti’s and did not know it used two pcie. One problem I keep running into is the miner just shuts down and restarts so I’m hoping to figure that out soon because this is my 1st miner on a mining motherboard
I don't think that more gpus will work even with the bifurcation splitters because normal consumer motherboards just don't have enough rom space to allocate to all those gpus. Craft computing on youtube had this problem with some radeon firepro and nvidia tesla gpus because those gpus do split them self into like 32 smaller gpus that motherboard detects separetly. So what i'm thinking best doing is getting an older AMD EPYC motherboard (1 gen or 2. gen) with an older epyc cpu. Because server boards are made to handle more gpus and more pcie devices! and the newer epyc cpus even have 128PCIE lanes!
Great tips for a noob like me! Thanks for the insight and keep up the awesome content 👍
ONLY use high quality Commercial PDU like Tripp Lite @ 80% capacity (even Tripp Lite states this). End of story no exceptions
Thanks, gave me a lot to think about here..
how many rigs/watts can you run on a 240v compared to 120v?
Great video! Ever used deep in the mines brand splitters or cables? I love them!
Where do you find them long pcie cables, i have the hardest time finding 8 pin to 8pin pcie cables. My power supplies all have 8 pin only ones i find are the 6 pin cables that go to 8 pin
So excited for the next video im also waiting for the cutting tools just like you 😍
Om.. Nubi mau tanya..
Nubi baru beli rig 3x asus 2060 dual oc.
Pake mobo esonic b250 psu corsair hx 1000, ram corsair 8gb, ssd sata 240gb.
Settingan afterburner :
- fan 70
- power limit 80
- temp limit 65
- memclock 1000-1200
- coreclock curve flat 1100. (85-90watt)
- gpu z detect voltase 0.72 volt
Nubi make aplikasi nicehash miner. Settingan afterburner udh di set kalau CPU startup auto pakai settingan yg sudah di stel. Ketika running memang pakai setelan afterburnee, tapi sering terjadi, ketika sudah 30-1jam pemakaian settingan afterburner berubah jadi default sendiri pada 1-2 vga. Itu kenapa ya om? Yg lain jg boleh bantu jwb. 🙏🙏
What about powering risers with molex? It should give you around 105 W if im not mistaken
I love how determined you are to get that ridiculous setup going xD
Nearly every PCIe splitter cable I have seen is made in China. No matter who sells them here. I do not believe they undergo independent lab testing such as UL so quality control of any brand is truly unknown. If a company advertises that theirs meet a certain standard, they should be able to provide independent lab results to back that claim up. They surely would be asked that if they end up in court.
Is ist bad for my gaming pc, when i mine about 2,5€ per day?
I got a GALAX 3080ti for mining, however whenever I overclock its memory to anything over 900, the core clock drops to around 850-950 and my hashrate is cut to about 78-79Mh/s while my other 3080ti from INNO3D pulls 90Mh/s with an easy 1500 on the mem without triggering the lhr lock. Can anyone help me?
No offense to anyone, but there is a lot of horror-shows in terms of electricity on mining rigs. Some have bad wiring, cheap connectors etc.. Although the rig itself is pretty nice, but the nicer setup you are using the more careful you have to be to make sure you don't exeed the amp/w on that circuit.
To make a 3 year old understand; 15 Amps circuit can pull 1800 watts (120v) or 3300 watts (220v). 16 Amps circuit can pull 1920 watts (120v) or 3520 watts (220v).
Never reach the limit as this works same way as ur GPU in terms on damage. Reaching the watt limit in your circuit while running your rig can overheat the circuit, or even the weakest link in your rig.
NOTE: If you have a brand new Tesla Car, would you use cheap chargers you bought from ebay on it ? ;)
hi red panda ...one simple question how to do you manage electricity fluctuation...do you use any Ups kind of things...actually in my place electricity fluctuation is a major issue
You might live in an old house, thats before 1975
Yes, he lives in america :D
can i use 2 molex to 8 pin for power up my riser ? Which is cable, comes from my galax rtx 2060's box.
This latest risers come with extra power connectors, would it be safe to use the sata + a molex on the side supply?
Red panda i need help!, im mining on 3 gpus, a 3080 non-lhr, on 16x lane first one, a 3060ti whish my 60hz display is on for daily use on 8x lane second i belvie , (hdmi), and i use the fifth last one x1 pcie lane with a riser on my 1080, but when mining with the 1080 everything laggs like hell on the computer, but im not even on display on that card?,.
and it all started after i upgraded to a 1200w psu, from a 700w, and earlier i used molex to power that riser, now i use 8pin from psu, to 6 pin riser, and then ofc power to gpu, so no more molex, thats all the change i did, and im lagging balls as soon as i start mining with the 1080. if i stop mining 1080 computers fast again?, can it be motherboard related? that im litearlly clogging up my pcie-lanes? so this is the limit on this mobo?
im out of ideas, anyone help please i used to be able to watch youtube wile gaming or make studying , or even play lighter games, no isseus, 5800x rzen cpu, 32gb ram, but now computer is unusable when minig on the riser with 1080.
Hello fellas, (3080Ti Founders Edition) my vram is still running too hot after changing the thermal pads. I connect one 8 pin pci and one adapter on Sata to the PSU. Is that maybe causing the trouble I have? Card mines around 108-110° vram temp and throttles and so on... really need advise
Hi Red Panda.
What do you personally think about powering the riser with molex?
Just to preface this, I don’t and will never do this;
But could you use SATA to PCIE mining on something like an RX6600XT where it’s drawing 55 watts at most on ethereum?
What about using Molex instead of Sata? I thought Molex was overall more capable?
this is a great video, very helpful and informative, one of the reasons why i subscribed to your channel, thx Panda
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please help do you recommend investing into a rig if you dont have one or is it too late considering the ETH 2.0 mining stuff happening nxt year
Where to get 16awg gpu pcie cables in Europe? I am tired of melting and burning cables on my 3080's rig! HELP
PS: You messed up the gauge measurement, the less awg the thicker and better the cables are !
Hi bro. I wona ask that from sep 2022 all mining gona go close? There ill be no more mining after sep
Really Enjoy Your Content , Im A Beginner My Self But I Dont Even Know Where To Start? :/
Sata cables are perfectly fine aslong as you don't exceed 150watt on your gpu.
yea, taking down 6 cards when one of them goes bad is better than having to take down 12 of them for one problem card. Better isolation of the issue as well. thanks.
Those sata to pcie adapters are going to burn down farms with cards like the a2000.
Using PDU is dumb waste of money. Just wire more circuits. Use 30A breakers on 12 Ga wire because that is completely fine for a short run like 4ft from your breaker box to your outlet.
Do you have a link to what 8 pin to dual 8 pin you recommend ?
Get a watt meter, but do not use them for too long. Those are also a fire hazard.
I measure the current from the breaker using current clamp meters.
Very good topic thanks for sharing RPM!!!
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Cool video! Very helpful. Thanks for posting!!!