I am happy that you have added to the 58k views on this video. It may be useless to you, I guess that depends on what you were expecting to see in a video titled "Let's look at a toy car's friction motor".
I tend to agree with you that "friction motor" is not a good term for them, since you typically want them to have no friction. Inertia motor would be far better.
Why the friction wears off your power with time amd use? Would need to replace the spring or there are other options? For pullback cars and push foward like this.
Achieving the target result within a specified budget is what real engineering is about. I am always impressed by what can be achieved in something that is essentially a disposable product. That is one reason, I keep taking things apart to see how they are made 😊
These were everywhere when I was a kid. I never got the "friction" name, as nothing to do with friction. I suppose "inertia" dive wasn't as catchy. Every kid knew how to repeatedly push the car against the ground until the noise got loudest (so fastest), and then let it go and it would take off. The ultimate evolution was the "T" type cars in the very late 60's, which had a single large driving wheel in the centre, which was heavy, the T handle had teeth that engaged with the wheel, push all the way in, pull it hard, centre wheel spins fast, heavy enough to drive the entire car when put down. They flew.
The correct terminology is a high speed GEAR, low speed PINION and drive (bull) GEAR. It's actually a gear reducer that converts rpm from the h.s.GEAR to the low speed PINION which turns the drive (bull) GEAR.
Do you think you could lift a small mass with a friction wheel used as the stored energy supplying the force necessary to say lift something using a pulley system? Trying to create free energy as my pic shows a basic model of what I have designed but the secret to my idea is getting the extra weighted ball back to its original positioning. My idea works on the fact I don't have to focus on getting all the mass to the top rather primarily focus on getting the small ball mass back to its original position to counter balance the other to maintain free energy.
Yes, back in those days, those sparks were the closest we had to having lights on out toys. Great fun 😁👍 You might like this related video ua-cam.com/video/rIdI6dBiIKw/v-deo.html
Not useless. This was specifically exactly what I was searching for. I wanted to see how it works. People who think things are useless don't like thinking about how things actually work :) Great video. Keep it up. You answered my question EXACTLY :)
Thanks for posting this. It was interesting to hear the breakdown for how it worked. I took apart the friction motor on my son’s car to try and fix it but, knowing nothing, I just had to put it back together again and it doesn’t work any better. Somehow, the “momentum” is gone though nothing is broken and the gears still wind fine. But the “vrooming” noise is less, and car doesn’t keep rolling much after I let it go. Any idea what might be the matter?
It may be the spring loaded ratchet that links the flywheel to the gear. I have a closer look in a different motor in this video ua-cam.com/video/DXcMCNFqnac/v-deo.html it is part of series due to be published later this month, but I am giving you this link so you can look at it now.
Sahil Sam, you would just have to carefully tap it through from one side to the other. You would probably need to remove the wheels and support the frame while you tap it through. Drill a hole in a piece of wood, slightly larger than the axle diameter and use the wood to support the frame while you tap the axle through.
@@GrandadIsAnOldMan Thank you Sir I think I understand. I just bought a toy car but the axle in the friction motor is slightly not straight. So I want to replace the axle with a new one
Hi Grandad, just wondering if you know how long friction motors have been around? I recall playing with them in the 1960s but most of the toy cars ect that have motors before that seem to have been clockwork ......M
Wikipedia just says they were popular in the 60's to 80's. I can't put a date on them in my memory but I do remember ones that used to spark inside because they had something that rubbed against the flywheel to make a shower of sparks.
@@GrandadIsAnOldMan Inertia starters in cylindrical engines, like the ones that were used in air planes back in the day, work like this toy. That's what you hear winding up before they're let go and clutched to the engine itself to start. ua-cam.com/video/Gky8z7sTEEs/v-deo.html
I will have to think about that, I have done videos on the subject but I don't think they fully explain the details in particular the importance of the idler gear. At the moment I am still trying to catch up with all the video footage I recorded on my recent holiday, there are still hours of it to work through. I will see what I can do but I cannot promise a fast response, sorry.
GrandadIsAnOldMan Thank you for your quick reply. I just discovered your channel and subscribed. It feels good to know that you've seen my comment and will consider it. Thanks!
Hi Jenny, I have been working on several videos to try to answer your request and each time I view it back and think "Would a child understand me" and I am not sure I have made it clear enough. I will publish all the videos over the next week or so but I may still need to try to simplify the answer. The bottom line is "You store energy in a toy car's pull back motor by pulling the car back to wind up the spring inside. When you let it go it has gears inside the motor that change the ratio so the car goes forwards further than the distance you pulled it back". This is the current schedule of the videos I have done so far (none of the links will work unto the published date and time) The one on Monday 13th at 3AM is probably the best so far but still contains some confusing information as I try to relate it to the animated video from 3 hours earlier. Sat 11/08/2018 1200 Ferrari Superamerica with pullback motor ua-cam.com/video/zmKx0KD2JMg/v-deo.html Sun 12/08/2018 0000 Ferrari Superamerica pullback motor tear down FAST FORWARD ua-cam.com/video/HjZ_onSWAyQ/v-deo.html Sun 12/08/2018 0000 Ferrari Superamerica pullback motor tear down LONG RAMBLING VIDEO ua-cam.com/video/Xc-8U0baT70/v-deo.html Mon 13/08/2018 0000 Pullback Motor animated with Gear Generator ua-cam.com/video/UWGkMFk2IDA/v-deo.html Mon 13/08/2018 0300 K'Nex Pull Back Motor Tear Down ua-cam.com/video/7rN9xkSC6Lo/v-deo.html Tue 14/08/2018 0000 K'Nex Pull Back Motor Gear Generator Animation corrected for 0-9 gears ua-cam.com/video/GnOij_Qr9Sw/v-deo.html
GrandadsOtherChannel it sounds very understandable to me, I think it would work for my kids too. We've tried opening these but they sort of fall apart when you do and that defeats the purpose. I wanted to show what I mean by the word "spring" because I know they get the mental image of the sort of thing you see in pens - they have dismantled a few - and not what I actually mean. I do hope I'm not talking nonsense, but isn't there the same sort of spring in a pull-back motor and a wind-up motor? I was trying to explain what happens when you wind it up way too much and the spring snaps - I did not succeed and I am still being asked to repair it though I know I can't. We will definitely watch your videos together. Thank you so much! You've gone above and beyond 💕👍 Can't wait to see the results 👏👏👏
Hi Jenny, yes same type of spring in a pull back car, wind up car, pull cord car, and many other moving toys (I did a project using the motor from a pull cord cat toy). Quite often you could swap the spring between them to affect a repair. Interesting point about using the word "spring" as I just realised I referred to them as coil springs in my video and that's wrong so I am doing a Google search to try and find the right term. It get's even worse then as "clock spring" is used as a description for an electrical device in car air bags and that is the first description that came up when I looked. I did find this link which helped me a bit and it also gives "power spring" as another term www.hunterspringandreel.com/support/faq/springs-what-is-a-clock-spring
What I didn't show in this video is that the gear on the flywheel has a spring loaded clutch to protect the other gears if the wheels are stopped while the flywheel is spinning. It may be that the spring loaded part is broken, or has lost pressure, or the teeth have been blunted. Not something that is easily fixed.
Sorry, I doubt that will happen unless one turned up in a charity shop and I happened to recognise it as what you are looking for. These friction motors are all basically the same. A few minor features might vary.
I can only guess because you wind it up using the friction of the floor. This guy makes Flywheel powered vehicles and you will see the difference ua-cam.com/video/CrbGLW6RwMc/v-deo.html
You would have to take that up with the manufacturers. My interpretation is that you pull the car back to wind up the motor. If there was no friction between the wheels and the ground then the motor would not wind up. I would agree that still doesn't make it "friction" powered any more than a rubber band powered car is powered by the rubber band. It is powered by the energy stored in the rubber band. Or a balloon powered car is not powered by the balloon, but the air pressure stored inside the balloon.
@@johnkoester7795 very unlikely to happen. I buy stuff in charity shops, so unless somebody has donated one, I won't find one. On top of that, I doubt I will be going in any charity shops in the near future. I haven't been in one since March.
I guess you would probably have to search online, maybe even contact one of the manufacturers as they don't tend to be the sort of thing you could pick up in a hardware store or model shop. A flywheel on it's own would have very limited retail demand. Your best bet would be to buy a cheap flywheel toy and strip it down for parts.
I did today (bought toy car cos I couldnt find any toy SMGs or Machine guns.. probably due to laws) I needed the part to give my 'Red Queen' sword from Devil May Cry 2 a bit of ZING!!!! ^_^
That's assuming that you would not have used your brakes going down the hill. If you could engage a flywheel when you would have engaged brakes, you might go farther than you would otherwise. A bigger problem is that big heavy spinning disks are pretty dangerous.
Probably further back than the 90s. I remember that sort of thing from when I was a kid. The closest I have found to that, was this toy gun from 6 years ago. Same principle ua-cam.com/video/LFgS4dCB5Ro/v-deo.html
Yes that is what I say in the video, however they are often referred to as "friction powered" for example here is the Wikipedia article en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friction_motor
Nice video, but it's a sad sign of the times that you have to make a video to demonstrate the workings of a friction motor. I'm showing my age, but I figured out how friction motors work by taking a few of them apart back in 1958 when I was a 7 year old kid. KIDS: get your faces away from those screens and start taking things apart! PARENTS: Let your kids take things apart!
Useless
I am happy that you have added to the 58k views on this video. It may be useless to you, I guess that depends on what you were expecting to see in a video titled "Let's look at a toy car's friction motor".
man got burnt to a crisp lol
dude got destroyed
Absolutely annihilated.
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This was absolutely fantastic. I was searching for how this motors (and pullback ones) are geared and you showed it perfectly. Thank you very much.
Thank you 😊
Brings back great memories getting these for Christmas as a kid. The best part is you could play crash 'em and they would be too slow to get damaged!
I tend to agree with you that "friction motor" is not a good term for them, since you typically want them to have no friction. Inertia motor would be far better.
I guess the name derives from the friction on the wheels but it seems a rather backward description.
if you look up friction motor, you come across a motor for a bike that applies a roller to the bike tire to propel it forward. THAT makes sense lol
@@jamesrigg4389 That does make sense, but the motor has its own power source. I believe we know it under its brand name Solex
Thank you for the video. Actually in my childhood it was the most fascinating and interesting toy to me more than the toy car it self😅
Thank you for watching and commenting 👍
Why the friction wears off your power with time amd use? Would need to replace the spring or there are other options? For pullback cars and push foward like this.
Friction motor is a misleading name for these motors. They are flywheel motors. the energy is stored in the flywheel.
Clever cheap engineering making toy cars more fun.
Achieving the target result within a specified budget is what real engineering is about. I am always impressed by what can be achieved in something that is essentially a disposable product. That is one reason, I keep taking things apart to see how they are made 😊
You save my sons toy from being dismantled, thanks for this
Season's greetings 🎄⛄️🎅
I was fascinated how it's spinning more. HOW. I founf the answer. Thank you ❤
These were everywhere when I was a kid.
I never got the "friction" name, as nothing to do with friction. I suppose "inertia" dive wasn't as catchy.
Every kid knew how to repeatedly push the car against the ground until the noise got loudest (so fastest), and then let it go and it would take off.
The ultimate evolution was the "T" type cars in the very late 60's, which had a single large driving wheel in the centre, which was heavy, the T handle had teeth that engaged with the wheel, push all the way in, pull it hard, centre wheel spins fast, heavy enough to drive the entire car when put down. They flew.
Engine lajak ni pun ada berbagai bunyi gayezzzz,dengar betul² mengikut model Dan pengeluar👍🥳😘
Thank you
The correct terminology is a high speed GEAR, low speed PINION and drive (bull) GEAR. It's actually a gear reducer that converts rpm from the h.s.GEAR to the low speed PINION which turns the drive (bull) GEAR.
Thanks
Do you think you could lift a small mass with a friction wheel used as the stored energy supplying the force necessary to say lift something using a pulley system? Trying to create free energy as my pic shows a basic model of what I have designed but the secret to my idea is getting the extra weighted ball back to its original positioning. My idea works on the fact I don't have to focus on getting all the mass to the top rather primarily focus on getting the small ball mass back to its original position to counter balance the other to maintain free energy.
Good luck with your quest
Thankyou and thanks for your video as well.
There's no way you can create free energy, simple as that. If there was one, everyone would be using it today.
Good video, I had a small friction car when I was 8 years old which was a push back and would give the spark ⚡️ upon playing with it
Yes, back in those days, those sparks were the closest we had to having lights on out toys. Great fun 😁👍 You might like this related video ua-cam.com/video/rIdI6dBiIKw/v-deo.html
@@GrandadIsAnOldMan just watched it, subscribed and peace ✌🏻
@@AB-hs9pw hey, thanks. You will find my channel is rather random. I just do what I find interesting and then move on to something else 😊👍
@@GrandadIsAnOldMan exactly, in the end we all have to do what our heart ❤️ says and follow our passion
Thanks, you saved me from smashing up my son's toy car out of curiosity.
Glad I could help 😂
Thank you! This is exactly what I needed. I was wondering how my kids toy works. It's like a flywheel. Thank you! #subscribed
Not useless. This was specifically exactly what I was searching for. I wanted to see how it works.
People who think things are useless don't like thinking about how things actually work :)
Great video. Keep it up.
You answered my question EXACTLY :)
Muy útil su vídeo 😊 gracias
Thank You 😁😁
Try to put to your ear, and spin it slowly it sounds like V8 engine
With a good imagination to help 😊👍
Thanks for posting this. It was interesting to hear the breakdown for how it worked. I took apart the friction motor on my son’s car to try and fix it but, knowing nothing, I just had to put it back together again and it doesn’t work any better. Somehow, the “momentum” is gone though nothing is broken and the gears still wind fine. But the “vrooming” noise is less, and car doesn’t keep rolling much after I let it go. Any idea what might be the matter?
It may be the spring loaded ratchet that links the flywheel to the gear. I have a closer look in a different motor in this video ua-cam.com/video/DXcMCNFqnac/v-deo.html it is part of series due to be published later this month, but I am giving you this link so you can look at it now.
Can they be fixed?
What is broken?
my guess the white plastic stick is for clutch the gear to reverse direction, it should make a noise when reverse the car.
As I remember it, it makes a noise in both directions and I think it is there to make a sound like the motor running, but you could be right.
Thank you for this!!
Thank you for watching 😊😊
Sir can you make a video on how to change the axle on a friction motor. It would be very helpful
Sahil Sam, you would just have to carefully tap it through from one side to the other. You would probably need to remove the wheels and support the frame while you tap it through. Drill a hole in a piece of wood, slightly larger than the axle diameter and use the wood to support the frame while you tap the axle through.
@@GrandadIsAnOldMan Thank you Sir I think I understand. I just bought a toy car but the axle in the friction motor is slightly not straight. So I want to replace the axle with a new one
This can serve as a very helpful electromechanical analogy for understanding Inductors.
Hi Grandad, just wondering if you know how long friction motors have been around? I recall playing with them in the 1960s but most of the toy cars ect that have motors before that seem to have been clockwork ......M
Wikipedia just says they were popular in the 60's to 80's. I can't put a date on them in my memory but I do remember ones that used to spark inside because they had something that rubbed against the flywheel to make a shower of sparks.
@@GrandadIsAnOldMan Inertia starters in cylindrical engines, like the ones that were used in air planes back in the day, work like this toy. That's what you hear winding up before they're let go and clutched to the engine itself to start.
ua-cam.com/video/Gky8z7sTEEs/v-deo.html
Hi! Could you please try and explain a pullback motor for kids? Thanks ☺
I will have to think about that, I have done videos on the subject but I don't think they fully explain the details in particular the importance of the idler gear. At the moment I am still trying to catch up with all the video footage I recorded on my recent holiday, there are still hours of it to work through. I will see what I can do but I cannot promise a fast response, sorry.
GrandadIsAnOldMan Thank you for your quick reply. I just discovered your channel and subscribed. It feels good to know that you've seen my comment and will consider it. Thanks!
Hi Jenny, I have been working on several videos to try to answer your request and each time I view it back and think "Would a child understand me" and I am not sure I have made it clear enough. I will publish all the videos over the next week or so but I may still need to try to simplify the answer. The bottom line is "You store energy in a toy car's pull back motor by pulling the car back to wind up the spring inside. When you let it go it has gears inside the motor that change the ratio so the car goes forwards further than the distance you pulled it back".
This is the current schedule of the videos I have done so far (none of the links will work unto the published date and time) The one on Monday 13th at 3AM is probably the best so far but still contains some confusing information as I try to relate it to the animated video from 3 hours earlier.
Sat 11/08/2018 1200 Ferrari Superamerica with pullback motor ua-cam.com/video/zmKx0KD2JMg/v-deo.html
Sun 12/08/2018 0000 Ferrari Superamerica pullback motor tear down FAST FORWARD ua-cam.com/video/HjZ_onSWAyQ/v-deo.html
Sun 12/08/2018 0000 Ferrari Superamerica pullback motor tear down LONG RAMBLING VIDEO ua-cam.com/video/Xc-8U0baT70/v-deo.html
Mon 13/08/2018 0000 Pullback Motor animated with Gear Generator ua-cam.com/video/UWGkMFk2IDA/v-deo.html
Mon 13/08/2018 0300 K'Nex Pull Back Motor Tear Down ua-cam.com/video/7rN9xkSC6Lo/v-deo.html
Tue 14/08/2018 0000 K'Nex Pull Back Motor Gear Generator Animation corrected for 0-9 gears ua-cam.com/video/GnOij_Qr9Sw/v-deo.html
GrandadsOtherChannel it sounds very understandable to me, I think it would work for my kids too. We've tried opening these but they sort of fall apart when you do and that defeats the purpose. I wanted to show what I mean by the word "spring" because I know they get the mental image of the sort of thing you see in pens - they have dismantled a few - and not what I actually mean. I do hope I'm not talking nonsense, but isn't there the same sort of spring in a pull-back motor and a wind-up motor? I was trying to explain what happens when you wind it up way too much and the spring snaps - I did not succeed and I am still being asked to repair it though I know I can't.
We will definitely watch your videos together. Thank you so much! You've gone above and beyond 💕👍 Can't wait to see the results 👏👏👏
Hi Jenny, yes same type of spring in a pull back car, wind up car, pull cord car, and many other moving toys (I did a project using the motor from a pull cord cat toy). Quite often you could swap the spring between them to affect a repair. Interesting point about using the word "spring" as I just realised I referred to them as coil springs in my video and that's wrong so I am doing a Google search to try and find the right term. It get's even worse then as "clock spring" is used as a description for an electrical device in car air bags and that is the first description that came up when I looked. I did find this link which helped me a bit and it also gives "power spring" as another term www.hunterspringandreel.com/support/faq/springs-what-is-a-clock-spring
pull out that white part rubbing on the flywheel gear and it will run longer!
I don't think you would be able to measure the difference in performance.
Nice video !
Thank you 😊😊
My toy car's friction motor is not wanting to move forward, only backward, idk why
What I didn't show in this video is that the gear on the flywheel has a spring loaded clutch to protect the other gears if the wheels are stopped while the flywheel is spinning. It may be that the spring loaded part is broken, or has lost pressure, or the teeth have been blunted. Not something that is easily fixed.
Here is a new video for you, to show the part I was talking about in my previous reply ua-cam.com/video/9GKU964pgmg/v-deo.html
Flywheels ! ua-cam.com/video/767y5ViGurA/v-deo.html One of my fav subjects ! Patent 672256 .
After watch video my brother car more broken 😂
Bad luck ☹️
@@GrandadIsAnOldMan yes 😂love you ❣️
Grandad, can you soup up a flywheel car? Make the flywheel spin faster with gearing, and maybe change gears back to drag away? That would be cool! :)
Thanks! Now I don’t have to take my son’s car apart to see how it works. 💀
You are welcome. More information in the video description.
Could you take apart a rev rumbler from ertl?
I think it’s the the same system but I’m not sure
Sorry, I doubt that will happen unless one turned up in a charity shop and I happened to recognise it as what you are looking for. These friction motors are all basically the same. A few minor features might vary.
Ok
Why we can't make big car or bus really passengers sitting by this friction motor
How would you supply the power?
Why do they call it a friction motor rather than a flywheel motor?
I can only guess because you wind it up using the friction of the floor. This guy makes Flywheel powered vehicles and you will see the difference ua-cam.com/video/CrbGLW6RwMc/v-deo.html
the noise those things make scare the absolute shit out of my cats.
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Why it is called friction powered , were is devotion involved in it , it could had been traction powered,or momentum car
You would have to take that up with the manufacturers. My interpretation is that you pull the car back to wind up the motor. If there was no friction between the wheels and the ground then the motor would not wind up. I would agree that still doesn't make it "friction" powered any more than a rubber band powered car is powered by the rubber band. It is powered by the energy stored in the rubber band. Or a balloon powered car is not powered by the balloon, but the air pressure stored inside the balloon.
How about a woody doll with a pull string?
Do you mean for me to take one apart?
GrandadIsAnOldMan yes please
@@johnkoester7795 very unlikely to happen. I buy stuff in charity shops, so unless somebody has donated one, I won't find one. On top of that, I doubt I will be going in any charity shops in the near future. I haven't been in one since March.
GrandadIsAnOldMan oh ok
@@johnkoester7795 If I see one and it is the right price I will buy one, but I cannot guarantee when that might happen 😁👍
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I could die in peace now.
WHERE THE HELL CAN I BUY FLYWHEELS LIKE THESE???!?!
I guess you would probably have to search online, maybe even contact one of the manufacturers as they don't tend to be the sort of thing you could pick up in a hardware store or model shop. A flywheel on it's own would have very limited retail demand. Your best bet would be to buy a cheap flywheel toy and strip it down for parts.
I did today (bought toy car cos I couldnt find any toy SMGs or Machine guns.. probably due to laws)
I needed the part to give my 'Red Queen' sword from Devil May Cry 2 a bit of ZING!!!! ^_^
Hey, I just watched your 3DS animation series, great stuff :-)
^_^ Sweet thankyou very much ^_^
you reckon this would work on a bike
I have seen many toy motorbikes that use flywheel motors
Bryan Scriven the problem is that it takes energy away from you. Like if you had one and rode down a hill I suspect you'd go further without it.
That's assuming that you would not have used your brakes going down the hill. If you could engage a flywheel when you would have engaged brakes, you might go farther than you would otherwise. A bigger problem is that big heavy spinning disks are pretty dangerous.
Thanks!
Thanks for asking the question. I think the name "friction motor" is misleading, you probably understood how a flywheel would work anyway.
Thanks
Thank you for watching
In 90's there were toy cars that make spark inside the car. Anybody remember ?
I search on the internet didnt found yet 😥
Probably further back than the 90s. I remember that sort of thing from when I was a kid. The closest I have found to that, was this toy gun from 6 years ago. Same principle ua-cam.com/video/LFgS4dCB5Ro/v-deo.html
the same idea make bike Cycle
It's a flywheel motor.
Would you like to define flywheel motor?
This is flywheel inertia motor vehicle
Yes that is what I say in the video, however they are often referred to as "friction powered" for example here is the Wikipedia article en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friction_motor
Can you dos shout out video
You had your shout-out in this video last Saturday. I am disappointed you didn't check for it ua-cam.com/video/vcQ2Zi2F_z0/v-deo.html
Nice video, but it's a sad sign of the times that you have to make a video to demonstrate the workings of a friction motor. I'm showing my age, but I figured out how friction motors work by taking a few of them apart back in 1958 when I was a 7 year old kid. KIDS: get your faces away from those screens and start taking things apart! PARENTS: Let your kids take things apart!
Uh John, why are you telling kids to get their faces away from the screen when you are clearly watching it yourself? 😁🤣😆😜
@@GrandadIsAnOldMan I'm exercising my God-given right to be a curmudgeon, that's why!
Haha, I do that all the time, I am rapidly turning into a miserable old &$% 😍