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Hello bro, your channel is super professional and I have a question needs your specialty to explain. Let's assume there is a nuclear sub like Virginia class is tracking and want to attack a destroyer like Burk IIA at a distance of 100Km. Can you analyze and tell us which has more chance to win this 1on1 combat. Thanks. In my personal opinion with my very limited knowledge, i think the destroyer is always in advantage.
I was thinking "why didn't they put Granit on it?" So I compared the missile and oh boy... the Siren has a mass of 3180kg vs Granits 7000kg. The Granit 😮 I knew the Granit was big, but not 7 tons big.
Most navies can't afford carriers or even modern well-equipped destroyers so these smaller vessels give them a pretty good long-range anti-ship, and even land attack capability for relatively little money. They're not the basis for a blue water navy and global power projection, but they're not intended to be either.
SA-N-4 is the naval version of the ubiquitous SA-8 Gecko tactical SAM for the Soviet army. It's a quite capable weapon against slower attack aircraft and helicopters, with a nasty optical tracking capability for use in heavy ECM environments.
Thanks I enjoyed. Will you continue along the line of corvettes. I would enjoy the Tarentul and more modern designs like the Buyan M. They managed to install a VLS in a 500 ton corvette. A flotilla of these corvettes can unleash hell if they achieve surprise and saturation. I am glad you are sticking to ships...
The reason these small ships can sport such a large offensive punch is because of the trade-off game. They have minimal anti-air, and no ASW or aviation facilities. They're specifically designed to kill surface ships, but are completely vulnerable to air and sub attack.
Is there a rhyme or reason to the code names? Bell Nest and Bell Tap? I noticed NATO names usually have a leading letter pattern. Soviet fighters start with "f," SAMs with "g," AAMs with "a."
Yup, NATO has those rules in designstion. In addition, for aircraft, one syllable means propeller: Tu-4 becomes Bull, Tu95 becomes Bear, while the supersonic Tu-160 becomes Backfire.
@@shaider1982Neat detail. Wiki uses the same example but also mentions that "Frogfoot" indicates that the SU-25 is designed for CAS. I wonder what else is baked into those names.
I don't know. Maybe it's just me, but, I get the distinct impression that Soviet Naval leadership doesn't give a rat's ass about their sailors. I look at these, and see how they are used, and, all I can think of is "they were dead the day they got assigned to that boat". In looking at our own LCS class, I had the same thought. At the least, we are getting rid of the LCS for a more capable ship...
A suggestion, change the title to actually mention Nanuchka somewhere. This video is impossible to find under the actual name of the ship showcased here.
Hello, did you find any evidence regarding moving or transferring a Kilo Sub class all over from the North Sea to the Black Sea by using the Volga River?, is this movement possible, Does the Volga allow such movement?
We were alongside with o e of these in 2008 in Belguim. Apparently the missile tubes were empty at the time. Some of our guys went on it and said it was horrible.
I'm wondering if we'll end up doing that. Ship costs too much? Not enough vls tubes installed? Can't make enough of them, quick enough? We'll just strap some long rangers onto the sides of the ones we have and call it value!
@@HauntedXXXPancakethe LCS is a true piece of junk. Still not sure how it even qualifies as a warship of any kind. It’s less capable then a Coast Guard Cutter.
Yes, you ready? Here we go, the attack on the USS Liberty in 1967 during the Six Day War left 34 U.S. servicemen dead and 171 injured. The ship itself was heavily damaged but managed to make its way to a port. Israel stated that the attack was a case of mistaken identity, believing the ship to be an Egyptian vessel. The Israelis apologized for the mistake, and the Israeli government later paid compensation to the victims or their families, as well as to the U.S. government for the damage to the ship. There you go. It was an accident, during a war, Israel apologized and compensated the families. It would be about 20 second long video, so no, there will not be a video.
@@SubBrief I understand you wanting to avoid dealing with the topic in detail and you should understand that the accident story smells as fishy as a dead mackerel that has been sitting in the sun for two weeks.
Let me get this straight: you have a (roughly) 800 ton vessel with 32,000 hp, hence a power to weight ratio of 40:1, and its top speed is only 34 knots? Something seems to be off.
Probable fake russian numbers, as usual. Could be theoretical maximum power, and the engines in reality are downrated for reliability/stability/efficiency reasons. Cant imagine this boat is very stable with those big missiles. And being so small, its fuel must be very limited, so its not like you can get fast for any extended time anyway.
@@goodlife6277I agree that 34 kts is fast, in absolute terms, nevertheless the warship I served on displaced 8,000 tons and had 80,000 hp, hence a 10:1 power ratio, and she did 32 knots. The Nanuchka's displacement is 1/10 of my ship's but her power is 40%. I still think that with a 40:1 power ratio, one would expect a much higher max speed.
I am sure some one caught it but the IV at 9 min mark was a test bed for the P800/Yankhont/ssn22 and is not a version of the harpoon. It is a supersonic ASCM with LACM ability. It has a 400KM range /high low/ and has been used to strike targets at 700km high/high from the black sea deep in Ukraine. This is a big diff, like saying you are about to fight Michelle Tyler and when you go to the fight you find out its Mike Tyson! Only one Nanuchka ship in the pacific fleet has been modernized. It is unlikely many if any more will be modernized (plans change) but 18 Karakurt class have been built to replace. The vast majority have already been built and await fitting out.
He already did. His tweet read something to the effect: THIS IS INDIAN PROPAGANDA and round-robin bot/misinformation hoax. It did ***NOT*** happen. The PLAN did ***NOT*** lose a sub in the Taiwan Straits.
@@gilraine1225 you may be exactly right! The fact that Mr. “sub, brief“ is not commenting at all on these rumors, makes me think that they are probably true. At first, when he was not commenting, I thought that the rumors were untrue and expected Mr. “sub brief“ to comment on them at some point. The fact that he hasn’t is a big tell that there probably is something really going on here.
I imagine a mental comparison with the LCS was among the first thought of many viewers. Small, fragile but with ridiculous punch--modern 'mosquito fleets'.
The USN has o need for coastal defense ships. It is very unlikely a foreign navy will get close to the US coast. And even if they did, the US Air Force could easily interdict. And of course, the US Coast Guards have some vey capable vessels if given the time to upgrade for war. As such, US warships have to have long range and generally good seakeeping capabilities because the USN will be taking teh fight to the enemy. This requires a bigger vessel t ocarry more fuel and supplies for long voyages and patrol far from friendly bases. For the Soviets, this isn't a factor. They can devote much more displacement and space for firepower since they do not need it for fuel or supplies.
@@baronvonslambert None the less, many systems on the Littoral classes simply do not work. Propulsion system, hull cracking, ASW, undeveloped modules, high maintenance by private firms, and the list goes on.
You better pray its not. Because when our enemies realize blowing up robots has no impact they will blow up the people who build those robots. They will blow up the people who pay the taxes that make them possible. Why people can not see that is beyond me? .@@inscrutianaII
Holy Smokes! Battymen! That admiral at 1:07 is so heavily laden down with medals., orders, and awards, that his uniform has to be reinforced withh carbon fiber. Ahh. those pesky Russkies. They do love their awards on their uniforms. Soviet Navy uniform regulation manual must be 500 pages, at least.
Good vid. I will bet this weapon system is like everything else they make a DEATH TRAP. When I was in the USN. I ask why Russian ships had 2 or 3 of everything. Guns launchers ex ex. The Weps officer on my first ship told me they do this because so many of the weapon systems fail they have 2-3 launchers hoping 1 works.
A lot of Soviet ships had missiles inside the hull like the Kirov class but missile boxes on deck were simple way of putting very large, heavy-hitting missiles onto relatively small ships. US and NATO ships also carry their weapons on deck - Tomahawk, Harpoon, Exocet, Sea Dart, Standard, Tartar, Talos, Sea Slug, RBS-15, Otomat, etc were all carried on deck either exposed with a below-deck magazine or in self-contained boxes, as were torpedos and various ASW weapons.
every ship built after the fall of the soviet union pretty much uses a vls in the hull. Buyan, Karakurt, Stereguschy, Gremya, Gorshkov. You are looking at a ship designed in the late sixties and put in service from 70s to 90s. The tech has come a long way and missiles are no loner the size of a school bus.
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Hello bro, your channel is super professional and I have a question needs your specialty to explain. Let's assume there is a nuclear sub like Virginia class is tracking and want to attack a destroyer like Burk IIA at a distance of 100Km. Can you analyze and tell us which has more chance to win this 1on1 combat. Thanks.
In my personal opinion with my very limited knowledge, i think the destroyer is always in advantage.
I was thinking "why didn't they put Granit on it?"
So I compared the missile and oh boy... the Siren has a mass of 3180kg vs Granits 7000kg.
The Granit 😮
I knew the Granit was big, but not 7 tons big.
Yeah, flying supersonic consumes a lot of fuel, so in order to still have a decent or good range, the missile has to be huge.
Well it has also a 750kg warhead. @@Tealice1
Small is good but often ends as a reluctant sacrifice to the gods of war ... better a frigate than a carrier.
Most navies can't afford carriers or even modern well-equipped destroyers so these smaller vessels give them a pretty good long-range anti-ship, and even land attack capability for relatively little money. They're not the basis for a blue water navy and global power projection, but they're not intended to be either.
Better hope they get them all launched before they get shot at… Roman candle comes to mind.
SA-N-4 is the naval version of the ubiquitous SA-8 Gecko tactical SAM for the Soviet army.
It's a quite capable weapon against slower attack aircraft and helicopters, with a nasty optical tracking capability for use in heavy ECM environments.
I use these alot when I played harpoon
I usually go with a couple of these and like 3 osas
Thanks I enjoyed. Will you continue along the line of corvettes. I would enjoy the Tarentul and more modern designs like the Buyan M. They managed to install a VLS in a 500 ton corvette. A flotilla of these corvettes can unleash hell if they achieve surprise and saturation. I am glad you are sticking to ships...
The reason these small ships can sport such a large offensive punch is because of the trade-off game. They have minimal anti-air, and no ASW or aviation facilities. They're specifically designed to kill surface ships, but are completely vulnerable to air and sub attack.
In a nutshell: they are the modern equivalent to torpedo boats. Highly situational but incredibly deadly when deployed smartly.
@@foximacentauri7891 I would agree with this. Essentially, they're fine so long as your opponent is similarly equipped.
Always learn something new!
There is a museum ship of this class at Fall River Mass.
I thought the same, but it's actually the German Kraut space magic ship Hiddensee
Is there a rhyme or reason to the code names? Bell Nest and Bell Tap?
I noticed NATO names usually have a leading letter pattern. Soviet fighters start with "f," SAMs with "g," AAMs with "a."
Yes. A lot of the names are based on appearance.
Yup, NATO has those rules in designstion. In addition, for aircraft, one syllable means propeller: Tu-4 becomes Bull, Tu95 becomes Bear, while the supersonic Tu-160 becomes Backfire.
@@shaider1982Neat detail. Wiki uses the same example but also mentions that "Frogfoot" indicates that the SU-25 is designed for CAS. I wonder what else is baked into those names.
Project 1234.....I wouldn't even put that code on my luggage....
I don't know. Maybe it's just me, but, I get the distinct impression that Soviet Naval leadership doesn't give a rat's ass about their sailors. I look at these, and see how they are used, and, all I can think of is "they were dead the day they got assigned to that boat". In looking at our own LCS class, I had the same thought. At the least, we are getting rid of the LCS for a more capable ship...
After seeing that picture of Gorshkov, I'm convinced that the Soviet Union collapsed because they spent their entire military budget on medals...
"Just because technology is improving doesn't mean our humanity is." -John Lovell (Warrior poet)
We should contract the Russians to build our littoral ships.
From the quality and fitness for purpose as received I am willing to believe that they ***DID*** build the Crappy Little Ship.
Cheers.
@@phlogistanjones2722 Never thought of it that way. LOL
Hey Aaron, curious are you're going to cover the Russian sub that was hit near Sevastopol? If the news is true.
Yes.
@@SubBrief Very cool.
A suggestion, change the title to actually mention Nanuchka somewhere. This video is impossible to find under the actual name of the ship showcased here.
Some LCS had/have 8 NSM missiles. The 2017 modernized Russian ship has 16 anti ship missiles.
Hello, did you find any evidence regarding moving or transferring a Kilo Sub class all over from the North Sea to the Black Sea by using the Volga River?, is this movement possible, Does the Volga allow such movement?
По Волге нереводили и АПЛ проектов 670 и 671,правда на Север, на ЧФ Волгодонские шлюзы не пройдут, а Кило вполне могут
Sorry, I can't see. Answer about my ask, maybe is a youtube error
Have you covered the Eukranoplan?
The sea skimming plane? no.
@@SubBrief Also known as the Caspian Sea Monster. I think someone is trying to make a museum out of one.
wasn't it Aldrich Ames that gave the russians that info for the "Harpoonski"? which was shortly after the Toshiba-Konigsberg incident?
We were alongside with o e of these in 2008 in Belguim. Apparently the missile tubes were empty at the time. Some of our guys went on it and said it was horrible.
Care to elaborate the horrible part? Horrible in what way?
@@juliusEST just dank and nasty and not clean inside. They said the ship and the sailors were all very smelly and dirty.
@@vxrdrummerI mean, were they Russian navy?
I'm wondering if we'll end up doing that. Ship costs too much? Not enough vls tubes installed? Can't make enough of them, quick enough? We'll just strap some long rangers onto the sides of the ones we have and call it value!
There have at least been tests with an LCS firing the NSM from
2 deck mounted quad-pack launchers, soooo ...
thats basically what we are doing with the constellation class. 16 NSM in box launchers.
@@HauntedXXXPancakethe LCS is a true piece of junk. Still not sure how it even qualifies as a warship of any kind. It’s less capable then a Coast Guard Cutter.
Honestly, as an Australian, with our naval procurement standards, governmental issues, and debt, that fills me with both great joy and dread.
it’s honestly one of the funniest things how the soviets depicted themselves as an anti-imperial empire
you mean as opposed to western nations that used to have far flung colonies thousands of miles from home?
@@hippoace look the british empire put the russian empire to shame but it doesn’t mean they were in the right either
Excellent work.
Hey Aaron will you cover the attack of USS Liberty?
Yes, you ready?
Here we go, the attack on the USS Liberty in 1967 during the Six Day War left 34 U.S. servicemen dead and 171 injured. The ship itself was heavily damaged but managed to make its way to a port. Israel stated that the attack was a case of mistaken identity, believing the ship to be an Egyptian vessel. The Israelis apologized for the mistake, and the Israeli government later paid compensation to the victims or their families, as well as to the U.S. government for the damage to the ship.
There you go. It was an accident, during a war, Israel apologized and compensated the families. It would be about 20 second long video, so no, there will not be a video.
OperationsRoom went full length without necessarily saying something that will catch them a case of falling down stairs.
@@SubBrief I understand you wanting to avoid dealing with the topic in detail and you should understand that the accident story smells as fishy as a dead mackerel that has been sitting in the sun for two weeks.
@@SubBrief Right on.
Wow! The SS-N-2 Styx is a true piece of crap. It’s basically a MiG-15 fuselage without a cockpit and a warhead stuck to the nose.
Let me get this straight: you have a (roughly) 800 ton vessel with 32,000 hp, hence a power to weight ratio of 40:1, and its top speed is only 34 knots? Something seems to be off.
It actually seems high
ONLY 34 ? It's Very fast...
Probable fake russian numbers, as usual. Could be theoretical maximum power, and the engines in reality are downrated for reliability/stability/efficiency reasons.
Cant imagine this boat is very stable with those big missiles. And being so small, its fuel must be very limited, so its not like you can get fast for any extended time anyway.
40 horsepower per ton is not that much. That’s the equivalent of having a sedan powered by a 60 hp engine.
@@goodlife6277I agree that 34 kts is fast, in absolute terms, nevertheless the warship I served on displaced 8,000 tons and had 80,000 hp, hence a 10:1 power ratio, and she did 32 knots. The Nanuchka's displacement is 1/10 of my ship's but her power is 40%. I still think that with a 40:1 power ratio, one would expect a much higher max speed.
I am sure some one caught it but the IV at 9 min mark was a test bed for the P800/Yankhont/ssn22 and is not a version of the harpoon. It is a supersonic ASCM with LACM ability. It has a 400KM range /high low/ and has been used to strike targets at 700km high/high from the black sea deep in Ukraine. This is a big diff, like saying you are about to fight Michelle Tyler and when you go to the fight you find out its Mike Tyson!
Only one Nanuchka ship in the pacific fleet has been modernized. It is unlikely many if any more will be modernized (plans change) but 18 Karakurt class have been built to replace. The vast majority have already been built and await fitting out.
Gets sunk by drone.
None of the ships of this class were ever sunk by drones.
@@georgeantabi6025Not yet. 💯
@@michalciechorski3263 Any ships could be sunk by drones if the anti-air defences are not updated to the latest tho.
@@johnlyndonescario419no. cope.
@@kellyjohnson9394 if you're talking about Ukraine, just know that none of these ships are deployed to the black sea.
0:40 Gorshkov looks like the leader of some 3rd world junta with all those ridiculous medals
Russian really like their medals.
Dude! Did or did not the Chinese lose a nuclear sub? Please comment on why you’re not commenting on this!
Hes probably waiting on more information. May also be involved in analysis if they did and may not be able to comment. IIRC Aaron still consults DOD
He already did. His tweet read something to the effect: THIS IS INDIAN PROPAGANDA and round-robin bot/misinformation hoax. It did ***NOT*** happen.
The PLAN did ***NOT*** lose a sub in the Taiwan Straits.
@@gilraine1225 you may be exactly right! The fact that Mr. “sub, brief“ is not commenting at all on these rumors, makes me think that they are probably true. At first, when he was not commenting, I thought that the rumors were untrue and expected Mr. “sub brief“ to comment on them at some point. The fact that he hasn’t is a big tell that there probably is something really going on here.
What event are you referencing? Where can I read more into this?
I imagine a mental comparison with the LCS was among the first thought of many viewers.
Small, fragile but with ridiculous punch--modern 'mosquito fleets'.
Think of those walls with Sowjet medals as stealth body armor. Nobody would suspect anything...
Band Stand and Pop Group?? 😁😁
How much vodka is it capable of carrying?
The USN has o need for coastal defense ships. It is very unlikely a foreign navy will get close to the US coast. And even if they did, the US Air Force could easily interdict. And of course, the US Coast Guards have some vey capable vessels if given the time to upgrade for war. As such, US warships have to have long range and generally good seakeeping capabilities because the USN will be taking teh fight to the enemy. This requires a bigger vessel t ocarry more fuel and supplies for long voyages and patrol far from friendly bases. For the Soviets, this isn't a factor. They can devote much more displacement and space for firepower since they do not need it for fuel or supplies.
The Russians build these little ships bristling with weapons and yet we built the pathetic Littoral classes.
The future is uncrewed, for reasons.
@@baronvonslambert None the less, many systems on the Littoral classes simply do not work. Propulsion system, hull cracking, ASW, undeveloped modules, high maintenance by private firms, and the list goes on.
You better pray its not. Because when our enemies realize blowing up robots has no impact they will blow up the people who build those robots. They will blow up the people who pay the taxes that make them possible. Why people can not see that is beyond me? .@@inscrutianaII
Beautiful little warships 🇦🇺⚓
Holy Smokes! Battymen! That admiral at 1:07 is so heavily laden down with medals., orders, and awards, that his uniform has to be reinforced withh carbon fiber. Ahh. those pesky Russkies. They do love their awards on their uniforms. Soviet Navy uniform regulation manual must be 500 pages, at least.
I thought LCS carried 8 NSM
So there is such a thing as too much medals on your chest.
What was the name of that Cartoon with Gadget (spin off from Get Smart in the 60s). U.S.N. #1 ⚓⚓🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🏴☠️🌊🤿🦈🐙
Compro 30.000 navios dessa classe para a marinha do Brasil rio de janeiro
A soviet LCS. Yay!~
Uran KH 35 has a 145 kg wahead
Did China loose a nuclear submarine in the Taiwan Straights ???
no, they know where it is. it is not lost.
Lol, Sub's not lost but now an artificial reef!!!
Good vid. I will bet this weapon system is like everything else they make a DEATH TRAP. When I was in the USN. I ask why Russian ships had 2 or 3 of everything. Guns launchers ex ex. The Weps officer on my first ship told me they do this because so many of the weapon systems fail they have 2-3 launchers hoping 1 works.
You must be really naive...
Hi Aaron, Are Rustkies ever gonna store weapons inside the hull? Ukraine 🇺🇦 doesn't hope so.
A lot of Soviet ships had missiles inside the hull like the Kirov class but missile boxes on deck were simple way of putting very large, heavy-hitting missiles onto relatively small ships. US and NATO ships also carry their weapons on deck - Tomahawk, Harpoon, Exocet, Sea Dart, Standard, Tartar, Talos, Sea Slug, RBS-15, Otomat, etc were all carried on deck either exposed with a below-deck magazine or in self-contained boxes, as were torpedos and various ASW weapons.
every ship built after the fall of the soviet union pretty much uses a vls in the hull. Buyan, Karakurt, Stereguschy, Gremya, Gorshkov. You are looking at a ship designed in the late sixties and put in service from 70s to 90s. The tech has come a long way and missiles are no loner the size of a school bus.
Do you think the russians just copied tbe harpoon...maybe not. They dont seem to need to copy anything based o current events
to say they copied it is a simplification of reverse engineering. works for a YT video, but not a defense industry lecture.
Ukraine needs these. Good for taking out russian ships!
"secret"?
Ripping off Perun yt not acknowledgement. bad effort