He drove on the flat for a while with her in the trunk and probably in a panic. He couldn't stop and change the tire when the spare and jack were in the trunk with her body. That's exactly why he dumped her where he did and why the guy spotted him changing the tire in that area. Also, Debra had a duty to warn Jenn that he was caught with C.P. but she didn't she kept the secret.
Sounds to me like Stephan has always been a creature of opportunity. No matter what it was if he had the opportunity he was doing it. Stealing, peeping on women and the worst was what he did to Maddie 😢 I hope they bury him under the jail.
Every time I hear these parents talk confirms my belief that they are the reason their son their son became a monster. They excused his behavior his whole life, never held him accountable for anything, paid his way through life so he never had to hold a job down, never taught him how to be responsible and dad even once alluded to too bad his son told the truth.
One more thing - I really disliked her choice of words: "It's become a very incestuous snake pit of lies, inuendo, and just ugliness." They started off with what? Lies, innuendo and ugliness? Towards the mother of the child, their son repeatedly assaulted and then ultimately murdered. She's not defending Stephan now. She's defending her own bad acts. Yuck. Just yuck. 🤢
Yes! Plus she’s oblivious as to why everyone is blaming them, this monster was raised by them hmm those dots are clearly connected. These parents are ev!l.
Just awful people! Narcissistic selfish and lazy parenting. I hate when parents act like these children are just dumped on them and there’s nothing they can do 😡
True! I, too, found it verrrrrrry curious that considering this case content, she chose to use the word incestuous. A very cold choice of a word, but she's a very cold woman. And she's a liar. That's not conjecture either. I've seen/found a govt document that proves she's a liar, and guilty of an unreported crime. Possibly chris, too, but definitely debra. They put their entitled mentality onto stephan. All three ha e the exact same personality. Notice that she said nothing about grieving for maddie, who is gone because of her son. Nope. Only grief for her freak, evil son.
As a teen, Sterns was also caught peeping through a bathroom window as his friend/neighbor's mom was showering. The husband almost shot him upon coming across him in the act. He was let go with a warning. I'm sure that more stories will come out as the case reaches more people.
This mother is still not seeing the monster. My jaw dropped when she said: "I feel Stephan put Maddie where she could be found" - as though he did a nice thing." 🤢 What a self deluded disgusting thing to say... If Stephan had any regret, he would have confessed immediately and not hidden Maddie.
Her reaction is just her trying to make it better in her mind. She is still trying to find some good in her son and has no idea that she sounds like a total ass. She isn’t the type to think before speaking
@@kateackerman7797I think that is the problem. Obviously, no parent wants to believe their child could ever do anything really wrong but that doesn't mean they can't. I think if she had not spent his life making excuses for him and deluding herself, she might have stopped this horrific behavior before it started. People don't hate them because they gave birth to a monster, they hate them for having the audacity to worry more about their reputation than Maddy's life.
It most definitely is an excuse, my son had several concussion growing up. He was not allowed to play high school football. That came from the hospital that had all his records. SS is just a bad seed and the parents are this losers enablers.
If his TBI was that bad then he would be labeled disabled and receiving a check every month. He got ran over twice but didn't have any broken bones or needed surgery???? Impossible!!!
We cannot blame,,, but yes many times the entitled child does harm,, my beautiful Mom did it too with my youngest Sis,, but I would never blame MY MOM.
“I must’ve just imagined that.” Like, WTF are you “imagining,” dude? You would know if you’ve seen something like that or not. And, even if you truly were up in the air about whether or not you’d actually seen it, basic logic would tell you there’s no fn way police would A: just give Jen a copy of illegal material to show around town or B: allow Jen to make a copy/take a picture of illegal material. Unless he was trying to sneakily imply that she had the photo prior (despite police having already confiscated her devices at that point) and she just lied to him saying “oh, the police gave it to me” as a cover/excuse as to why she was in possession of it, but even that doesn’t makes much sense because obviously police had already looked at her phone, and didn’t find any csam, and they know one of their own guys wouldn’t just give her a photo like that to keep… The parents go on a bit of a tirade in the HTC interview about Stephan being a liar and a thief; I’d hope dad making excuses for his son is just his fd up way of coping with his son being a monster, but on the other hand, it’s like “well, I wonder where he got it from?..”
It’s funny how they say Jen was there when he supposedly killed her when I’m sure they were home when he stole the watch from them…and again you’ve nailed it!
Stealing a Rolex is not the same as killing a child and removing the body AND riding around in the car while the body is in the trunk. Not at all the same
Agreed. I have raised three sons. You give them a date - well in advance, and tell them that's "move out" date. Otherwise, many young men will relax and stay home w mom & dad forever. 😊
In our heart. Not my heart. Not our hearts. Heart. If they share one heart, who's in control of it? Jen says we and is accused of lying. Chris says our heart and... crickets. It's obviously common for them to speak for each other. Stephan most likely brought the we/me speak into his relationship with Jen over the years, unless it's just common vernacular for the area.
@debbratrueax4430 Also, when Jenn used "we" twice when it was really just Stephan, she actually corrected this in the next sentence or two. How can it be a "lie" if she is straightening out what she meant right after? I had parents who were married for 53+ years and my mom never learned to drive and often who also said "we" when it was only one of them, or in explaining how they thought or felt about something. It's a variance in vernacular, really. Not a lie.
@pamelastevens1609 It is one thing to say "we" when describing a stance on something, for example "we don't want to sell the house" "we like to spend time at the beach" "we are republicans" Butnto use it describe the physical.actions of another, and not to say "we kicked him out" but to use it when describing dropping a child off to school? Not, you say he did, she did etc.
Gray, you are the first person to speak directly to what I have been thinking and thought about in this situation all along. People can hate me all they want to but it is clear to me that Stephan preyed on Jennifer’s mental health, gaslit her, and did the unthinkable to Maddie. Should Jenn have been more careful? Yes but as someone who has dealt with Major Depression, I know that the meds can really make you so oblivious and your thoughts so foggy. Sadly, that is why it is important to keep your village strong and communicating regularly for the sake of your children. My heart is just broken for Maddie. ❤
She was in no condition to take care of a child. The emotionless state CAN be caused by heavy medication. Plunder has a video on Jen's blog to her Mom, you can see the young Jen was already showing bipolar and unstable behaviour and her mother would not help her in any way.
@@michelleramos6187oh I'm with you guys. Even though I find Jennifer's stupidity infuriating at times, I don't believe she had a clue what was happening to Maddie. I've said since the beginning because I know how predators work. Jenn was a predator's dream unfortunately for Madeline.
Well think about this .. they want to find someone else to blame and I can bet throughout his life they constantly bailed him out of trouble .. Stephen is a good little Angel that did no wrong and that results as him being the monster that he is..
And that whole thing about the image of Maddie- bullshit. You don’t recall seeing an image and then let it go that easily when the police says it couldn’t happen. Then he goes on to say am I imagining that? Only cos that detective was the one who showed it to her. And now it’s a figment of his imagination. Either he was making it up right from the start or has seen that image on one of Stephans devices. I do think that he was trying to implicate Jenn with this lie. And why are they so hell bent on convincing people that Jenn was in on it? To make themselves look less bad- it’s not cos of us it’s cos of her. But the way they’re going after her and trying to frame the listeners mind is making them look worse!
It's obvious Mom "Debbie" coddled that kid to what he became, gave into his every bizarre request. She's extremely defensive......and digs way too deep to try and explain away everything. Steph's actions should have been curtailed decades ago...but Debbie kept aiding and abetting it.
I agree from what I gather she’s also a racist and narcissist. I can believe she was physically abusive when she was a lot younger. It was stated in one interview that she dumped a bowl a popcorn on CS head during an argument and he did it back. I think she hit him and he hit her a$$ back. CS seems to be the sneaky one he comes off as meek and mild in public just like SS.
You can't blame parents for everything, not sticking up for her or anything. But at some point, an adult I'd responsible for their own actions. You can't teach a child to be a Mol---ter! And yes, she does explain away too much!!
@@michelleramos6187 The parents allowed that POS to become an adult child who slept all day, had no career...and they supported that with money and housing. NOTHING good was to become of THAT. While there may not be a direct link to pedophelia and worse.....the coddling of abherant behavior was NEVER going to have a good result/ending.
The thing that's so twisted that I haven't heard one person bring up is how Jen took care of their undercover pedophile son for years and years, stood by him, tried to help him and then believed vehemently in his innocence. And at the first opportunity they threw her under the bus. They drug her under the bus and was driving the damn bus as well. But I have yet to hear Jen throw anyone under the bus. Not them, not her own mother who was likely psychologically cruel to Jen. And that's why she didn't go to Maddie's birthday party. Even Jen's ex husband has nothing but good to say about Jen's mother. Which would not be the case if Jen had been trash talking her mother to him in the past. She didn't trash talk any of her family to Maddie, or Maddie wouldn't have been so happy to go there. she just stepped out of the way so that Maddie could get the love and support she didn't. People like that don't have the best boundaries. It's one of the flaws that comes along with being too loving. These things are probably what has caused her mental health problems. You can't cure emotional wounds with a pill. These facts on top of Jen saying things in her interviews about not wanting to have to comfort others when she just needs comfort herself, among other things shows she's actually a very loving person who doesn't denigrate others. Which speaks more to her character than to those around her. Her lack of denigrating Stephen sterns when everyone else thought he richly deserved it made us all think she was complicit. I'm trying to look into the this case fairly, objectively and deeply. And the more I look, the more it looks like she's just not the kind to harm others as she's been harmed. Instead of swinging at everyone who has swung on her she's just taking her pain with her privately. And I do think there will be some karmic balancing for that. I'm saying that as kindly as I can.
This is the most interesting comment I have read in a while. 👍🏻👍🏻 My honest impression of Jenn is that she is a likeable person. I’m sure that her moods can give her problems at times with socializing and interpersonal relationships, but with depression you have to learn to ride those waves. One thing that I appreciate about Jenn as a mother is that Maddie certainly did not suffer from medical neglect. She saw mental health professionals, a therapist, and her Dr (not sure if it was a pediatrician or gynecologist) was aware of Maddie’s erratic periods according to Jenn. There is a lot to be said for this, and it shows some level of attentiveness on Jenn’s part. If Jenn had anything to hide, it seems unlikely that she would get Maddie involved with professionals that are trained to spot it.
@@mirzamay yes Jenn did all that for Stephan at the detriment of her only child. She put his wants and needs before Maddie’s. Never a kind word for Maddie (perhaps mirroring her own mother’s mothering) but Stephan is so kind, so patient, so understanding to Maddie’s ABNORMAL ways (her words, not mine) I believe that way of thinking/acting was extremely harmful to Maddie. Let us not lose focus on who the true victim is here, who paid the ultimate price…Maddie and only Maddie.
I think Stephen has learned from his parents!! They sound very manipulative in all of these stories!! Trying to make everyone believe that they aren't to blame. The three of them are full of lies!!
You're absolutely correct about this. I feel that all three have the same personalities, and all three the same psychiatric deviant characteristics. It's quite something to see. I feel that they're dangerous, scary people
Yes, they're all 3 very much alike inam mannerisms 💯 for sure. And the manipulation is clear on their side also. They're watching all this UA-cam stuff and trying to play it like a cardboard, it's getting in their minds.
I can't believe they didn't ask Debra why she paid Stephans roommate off so he would cover up the C.P. on the computer along with the hidden cam video. To me Debra should have warned Jenn that he had been caught with C.P. and shouldn't be left alone with her daughter. But Debra didn't she kept the secret hidden.
Father turned over USBs with Images … He said one had nothing , other he surface reviewed. Then turned it over to cops. Father saw shit on the USB and trying to tie it to Jen showing him. Mother is off . Brick short for sure . Thx Gray . Coverage commentary and staying to facts is great . Your hard work is appreciated . Maddie’s life Mattered and Judgement will come.
The mother lived with s.s for years without his father present.....personal opinion I believe s.s was also a c.a victim either from or thru his mother. She also slept alone with maddie but she previously stated that she was horrified that maddie shared a bed with s.s a non biological relative?? Guilty & scrambling to look like they cared for maddie!
Accountability SS behavior. Both parents had awareness of their sons behavior. MS was only 8 years old when her innocence was taken from by him. Heart breaking 💔
Maddie called him on Saturday, his parents said he was super agitated after the call and left to go to Jen’s place on the Sunday. I think Maddie told him she was going to tell on him. Nothing like, she had a crush and SS was jealous, he didn’t have feelings for Maddie, he was only interested in abusing her. Turning 13 was a milestone for Maddie, she said things like she was going to live in the woods, run away, and other comments, it sounded to me like she was going to take control of her life. So I think it WAS premeditated.
The issue I have with these people is their son can do no wrong. He's 37 and they still treat him like he's 12. They're so focused on how SS actions reflect on them they feel they have to control his every move.They can't imagine that he can make his own decisions. Well that sure backfired.
I’m a retired 32 year cop. I believe Jennifer is unfit parent due to mental health issues and maybe there is probable cause to arrest her for child endangerment by allowing Stephan to sleep with Maddie. I do not believe that Jennifer is directly involved with Maddie’s Death. Indirectly yes by being completely in the fog on what was going on in her own home. That could possibly be from her on all kinds of medications which caused her to sleep a lot. Unless some other evidence to come along, I don’t think she will be charged. They would have already done it if they were. The cops need her as a good witness. We will see what happens
@marygoff3332 I knew from the beginning she had no idea what happened. That first interview she was terrified and worried and her daughter. She loves Maddie but bc of her mental issues, those meds caused her to be an absent but present mother.
I can understand not abandoning your child who murdered in different circumstances. Not this one. I don’t want him to have a moment of comfort in jail.
His mother didn’t tell the story of her finding a sex doll torso in the disgusting bedroom of Stephen Stearns. Curious thing to leave out of this interview, right?
Towards the end of their interview, they noted that the Saturday of her birthday party Stephan was extra stressed. This is before he left their house and went to Jen’s. I really want to know what happened in the days or hours prior that caused him to get so stressed, and soon after he killed Maddie. That is the most fascinating question at this point. Why? What did she say to him? Did she want you to end this sickness once she found out what it was? What happened.
My brother killed his girlfriend & my patents disowned him they don’t visit him or call him in prison we don’t ever talk about him. Sounds like they think supporting their pdofile son is normal and anyone would do it…..incorrect!
I find it duplicitous and self-serving when they say Stephen was a good guy and they’re surprised he did this. But then on the same token, they say he was a manipulative Liar and thief who hung out with shady people? Which one is it folks?
I honestly feel like Jennifer was way more involved. I would even speculate that Maddie was pregnant and Jenifer found out and was upset, she was apart of it. Why does she tell him she doesn’t want it to be a “woody Allen” situation! Seems like a outrageous thing to say unless you know something was going on
You " feel" like, yet detectives tell us the opposite. Why are your feelings correct with limited knowledge, yet police with ALL evidence say the opposite?
I think Jennifer handed Maddie to him on a cake plate, knew he was molesting her from the beginning and traded her daughter for whatever money Stephan got from his parents. Many mother’s do this. It’s a fact. I know of at least 3.
I agree that you always put out facts that you have looked into and validate. You have always been consistent and that I can say. You don’t do things for clicks and views like the other channels that I pop into and see what a different your channel is.Thanks for all you do I appreciate your time and effort. I always hit the like button on my way in.
One person I'd really like to hear from someday is Jenn's mother. She had birthday parties for Maddie and Maddie spent a lot of time with her. Also, she's the one person in Jenn's circle of friends and family who never liked Stephan and didn't trust him. She's gotta be destroyed right now, that poor lady. Yeah. I would definitely like to hear whatever she wants to say one day.
You have done a good job on bringing truth to the parents,interviews. It looks like they have come around to the truth, and stop blaming other people. They have aged so much this has been hard on them to recognize it was their son that is the monster .
It would seem his parents are hoping to get Stephan off by saying he had a brain injury. I can see where Stephan got his tendency to manipulate and lie from.
I don't see how medication can be the cause of the words Jen used to describe her dead daughter's body. I found it shocking actually. " Dumped the body" for example.
There is an interview with a friend who lived with them. He said the father was never there. He said the mother doted on Stephan but was otherwise kind of mean.
I think they got a lawyer who acted as a PR agent and told them they needed to talk nice about Maddie. Did they apologize to Jen? Not that I know of. Why? Because a lawyer would tell them it might imply guilt or, at the very least, defamation of character, and they should stay away from the topic of Jen as much as possible. Prior knowledge of bad acts on their part would make them ripe for lawsuits and possibly criminal charges as well. I don't believe they care one bit. And I don't believe they would have acted differently if they "knew" the facts before talking to Stephan...."Too bad he was careless with his phone." They also make it sound like they spent a lot of time with Maddie, when in truth the activities mentioned could have happened in one weekend. They're scrambling to save face and avoid legal problems. I didn't detect any sincerity. But that's just my opinion.
What kind of PR agent would advise them that doing an interview on UA-cam would be a good idea? At this point, an expert Crisis Management team couldn't extinguish this $hit show inferno. IMHO of course.
I don't know, but a lawyer doing damage control might advise to get the word out that they're heartbroken about Maddie's murder. Because prior to that all they did was point fingers at Jen and away from Stephan.
@@debbratrueax4430I agree, but I think any message or stance from them would be best conveyed from a reputable media source, not a UA-cam channel. Which is why I didn't watch it/them.
I was gonna say something about that. What do you mean CS doesn’t know anything? You mean to tell me that they have not questioned their own son what the hell happened? You mean to tell me that they had nothing to say to him, but yet they don’t have a problem sending him coffee and root beer candy.
@@maddmunkee2 ummm they can't see him in person. I believe this was said in this video a few times . Obviously they can't ask on the phone. So NO they haven't asked the loser what went on . Use your noddle
@@Tee-cl6dcthey Emailed back and forth and not once did his parents even ask him what happened. They are aware that those emails are read by detectives and that's pretty much why they didn't ask but the fact that they saying "he don't know anything" when they didn't even ask is ridiculous.
@@Tee-cl6dc how do you know were you there? They’ve been emailing him back-and-forth. What do you mean? They can’t ask him why don’t you use your noodle? you’re gonna tell me that they’re not gonna ask about what happened in the beginning? As a parent that would be the first thing you asked, don’t you think? Or they just having conversations about root beer candy, and coffee?
I believe there is a VERY STRONG chance Stephan was sharing images on this network that Gray mentioned on Telegram. He had 30.000 images and had shown signs of exhibitionist behavior in the past. Stephan’s sexual deviance is diabolical in so many angles. I sometimes wonder if he got away with this crime if he would of sought out another woman/child victim to abuse and commit murder again when threatened with being caught in some manner .Could this of been the making of a serial killer?
I remember the interviews that you did. And yes supposedly she paid off one of his buddies to stay quiet about his behavior..if true, more enabling which just feeds into creating a full blown narcissist manipulator. I kept waiting for them to express their grief about Maddie..they did finally mention her but it took awhile. I understand as parents this must be horrific, hard to comprehend and accept. It’s difficult for me to empathize when so much blame is deflected towards Jen but it’s a loss for them as well. Shes asks if it’s a crime to give birth and No, however, if his predatory and pedophilic behavior were covered up by either of them, then that’s a whole other story.
Also adding, my thoughts are that he was drugging her and selling the videos and images….maybe he was choking her and it went too far. Idk I just hope we get answers.
Stephan also mentioned in the interview with police that he was having money troubles. Jen said Maddie got a lot of money for her birthday. On a previous occasion Jen and Maddie thought Stephan stole Maddie's Christmas money. I could even see Stephan killing Maddie for a measley few hundred because he is such a horrible, horrible person.
Unlike suitcase Sarah everything these people do and say is very intentional. This is a Pity Me, look at Jenn PR campaign. And when she says if he got hit by a car it would have been easier - she means cos any sign of his predilection would’ve died with him and they wouldn’t be feeling this shame and embarrassment. She’s so full of shit - I don’t believe much of what she says or least the way she frames things. And the thing that pissed me off the most was when she was talking about Maddie should be alive - it’s a horrible world. The world didn’t kill Maddie. Stephan did.
@@43ShaDey precisely. I would have had sympathy for them as parents - no one wants this to be their kid- but it’s really hard to have any sympathy after watching that interview. I can see how how the alchemy of both of their personalities and narcissism led to a son who is afraid of women and felt unable to grow into a man. But even those things aren’t really their fault- people like this never look at themselves and so never understand themselves. It’s the PR Campaign for me and the focus on diverting attention from Stephan. It’s sick.
This mother is posturing as if they were close with Maddie. What nonsense. I believe the mother particularly was utterly contemptuous of Jennifer and barely tolerated Maddie.
A highly noted clinical expert (Saltz) was on CTV and said there is no link/correlation between traumatic brain injuries and pedophelia, etc. Sorry parents, that one won't work either.
@@pamelastevens1609 I'll have to watch that clip again...she was very detailed. Don't recall her saying there is a violence link either. The net is that it explains nothing relative to Sterns behavior...he was a bonafide depraved vile character all on his own right.
That's like when I was 30 and my (POS stepdad a b u s e r started at 4 went to 13) told me "God forgives BOTH of us" 🤔 say what ? What did GOD forgive ME for?
In the previous interview, ( where the parents did not realize their recordings would be made public), SS's mom said they hardly saw them and how she regifted something she bought for herself for Maddie's 13th birthday. Like, could she even bother to get Maddie something personal or even a nice gift card? (They had the money.) Also, the parents knew SS stole from them but still let him live there and still paid for him? PULEEZ! I believe this interview with HTC just made them look worse.
You can’t have open communication with someone if they don’t open up to you! These parents don’t understand what they’re saying. They call him a liar and tell us that he’s a thief and then they try to act like he’s a good son…
Isn’t it interesting that she goes from Maddie told me about the sleeping arrangements, not Jen or Stephan- and Jenn said she can’t stop Maddie getting in the bed then switches straight into oh he was a gaslighter! Who really did she have that convo with?
And why can’t they put it together that SS also gaslighted JS , Maddie and everyone else? The parents are very bright and astute and managed to be gaslighted by him. Why is it a stretch for them to see JS was medicated and unstable and easier to gaslight. Not making excuses for JS just noting that she was mentally struggling and on heavy meds.
So the guy bribed SS and kept quiet about CP? I have heard several instances throughout the years that, if reported, Maddie could be safe and alive today. Just pathetic!
I think Stephan blamed Maddie, because his poem said 'I would have died for you', meaning if it wasn't for whatever she did, he would have been so loyal or loving or whatever he meant by that, but she ruined it. That line really irks me.
Yes, and I suspect that when he told his parents that he "didn't start it" he was alluding to Madeline, not Jennifer. I can imagine, with a mother as detached as Jennifer, Madeline might have sought the comfort of physical affection, which Sterns was all too willing to provide, then expand upon in his warped exploitative way.
Absolutely, but I don't really think he wrote the poem after he killed her... I mean he was in the wherewithal to write his own name, much less a poem...
I don't think the parents are villains in this. They needed time to process and accept their son committed such an unspeakable crime. They've both fully cooperated with the police, Dad is extremely level headed, Mom's a bit of a hothead and wants to blame Jenn but she's coming to terms with who Stephan is. She's hypocritical by over blaming Jenn while wanting understanding from the public. EX: stating "Is it a crime to birth a child". I mean "Is it a crime to date your son"? No idea if she paid that guy off, I'd need more proof than hearsay.
I was bombarded with abuse for a comment I made about Jen probably having a subdued, strange, affect because of bipolar medication she was taking. I was told I was a red flag. I can understand that people may think I’m a man because of my UA-cam name, being Benno, but I’m actually a 58 year old grandma. It seems to me that the hate aimed at Jen is increasing as time goes by. I’ve unsubscribed from one of the most famous content creators because I’m fed up of the ‘Jen is a monster’ narrative. I will be subscribing to your channel, the only one that sticks to the facts. I’ll wait for a live though as I’m hoping for a shoutout 😂😂😂🫶🏽🇬🇧🫶🏽
There is no reason for Stephen's family to be in public. Hiding in plan sight. Dad didn't go to help look for Maddie. He went to pay for a motel room. Of course, he went to North Port. He had to clean his room up at his parents' house. Gate code and keys to the storage please. 🙏 A little more understanding of why Stephen makes us so sick. Just look at these two. No one protected Maddie.
@@KimmySemak he always wanted the newest toys and games but couldn’t hold down a job. IMO he just saw opportunity to get some money and has no problem stealing from people. I don’t think he was an addict. I’m not even convinced he took as many meds as he claims. Just used them as an excuse.
@@Smokinstilettos2 yeah that honestly crossed my mind what you were saying it sounded like he wanted games and toys it's just such a scumbag move. I'm not using addiction as an excuse but at least that would maybe explain it. This is just pure selfishness because he's in the right frame of mind I mean not literally but you know what I'm saying lol
The dad knows what’s up, as far as the right thing to say regardless what he thinks. Mom just can’t hide her gaslighting way of life when it comes to her son. Jmo from this interview.
They talk about him having a TBI from being hit by a car but the hospital sent him home the same day. That is not a TBI that is a head injury that the hospital didn't even keep him overnight for. They talked out both sides of their mouths SS was a bully, genius, lazy, sneaky, lying narcissist who was also an animal lover that treated women well, he wanted to fix people because he had wounded bird syndrome.
I agree, hypocritical for the interviewers to scoff at the comment made at the time people spend watching true crime. I have also heard them calling child abusers monsters or the situation being horrific and calling out enablers. I feel they wanted the views so showed empathy on this interview to get the gig. My opinion.
My heart goes out to these people, and I hate that they're being harassed. But I never hear them blaming Stephan or showing any anger towards him. He obliterated Maddie’s childhood and then took her life. They should be angry at their son, and I have yet to hear ANY ANGER OR BLAME! Stephan painted the target on his parent's back. They send him books and commissaries like he’s at camp. Where is there anger against who perpetrated this entire mess! Stephan Sterns! 🤬
@@GrayHughesInvestigates What other comment? Thank you for keeping me honest! BTW, I was on another channel, and Maddie’s advocate reported that Maddie was NOT pregnant. She is also associated with the Wallace’s. Keep up the good work! ♥️
About Sterns parents, my initial reaction to them was not too kind. But then I think how traumatic all this has to be for them. Can you imagine finding out your offspring did what Stephan did? Of course their thoughts are going to be all over the place.
DS tells JS to locked the door at night so Maddie doesn’t try to come into her room because she knows that her son Sterns had a history of being a predator.
Someone may have already mentioned this but if so I've missed it but it's been weighing on me. The parents first interview together with cops dad said he didn't know SS was going until day of or day before and mom stated she knew a week or so ahead because she had come across MS gifts . Then later on she made the statement he didn't have anything for her and gave him I believe some kind of necklace and earrings.. hmmm. ??? Next thing I wonder did Maddie receive the gift? And also was all her bday money accounted for? If this has been discussed sorry I've missed it ..
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@@GrayHughesInvestigates done and done
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He drove on the flat for a while with her in the trunk and probably in a panic. He couldn't stop and change the tire when the spare and jack were in the trunk with her body. That's exactly why he dumped her where he did and why the guy spotted him changing the tire in that area. Also, Debra had a duty to warn Jenn that he was caught with C.P. but she didn't she kept the secret.
Thank you, I said the same their inconsistencies
Peeping in someone's window is a HUGE 🚩!!!
@RaLeaChaddle-kq9gi wow yes 👏
As is taking pictures of women under the bathroom door! And I don’t buy that it’s all due to a TBI!
@@DonnaLena1exactly
Serial killer vibes
Gray he had so many pictures of se🤮with Maddie and he did horrible acts that would break all our hearts 💞💔rip Maddie you were failed by everybody 😢
Sounds to me like Stephan has always been a creature of opportunity. No matter what it was if he had the opportunity he was doing it. Stealing, peeping on women and the worst was what he did to Maddie 😢 I hope they bury him under the jail.
Yep!
Mr. & Mrs. Stern are behaving differently now that they know the public will watch.🔴
You must have had all the answers when you had zero access to any footage huh
Every time I hear these parents talk confirms my belief that they are the reason their son their son became a monster. They excused his behavior his whole life, never held him accountable for anything, paid his way through life so he never had to hold a job down, never taught him how to be responsible and dad even once alluded to too bad his son told the truth.
One more thing - I really disliked her choice of words:
"It's become a very incestuous snake pit of lies, inuendo, and just ugliness."
They started off with what? Lies, innuendo and ugliness? Towards the mother of the child, their son repeatedly assaulted and then ultimately murdered.
She's not defending Stephan now. She's defending her own bad acts.
Yuck. Just yuck. 🤢
Yes well said. Very bitter woman for sure!
Yes, yuck!
Yes! Plus she’s oblivious as to why everyone is blaming them, this monster was raised by them hmm those dots are clearly connected. These parents are ev!l.
Just awful people! Narcissistic selfish and lazy parenting. I hate when parents act like these children are just dumped on them and there’s nothing they can do 😡
True! I, too, found it verrrrrrry curious that considering this case content, she chose to use the word incestuous. A very cold choice of a word, but she's a very cold woman. And she's a liar. That's not conjecture either. I've seen/found a govt document that proves she's a liar, and guilty of an unreported crime. Possibly chris, too, but definitely debra. They put their entitled mentality onto stephan. All three ha e the exact same personality. Notice that she said nothing about grieving for maddie, who is gone because of her son. Nope. Only grief for her freak, evil son.
Groomers are gaslighters😑
Sometimes I think they are blind to what they are saying. The only victim in this is Maddie and after that Maddie family and friends.
As a teen, Sterns was also caught peeping through a bathroom window as his friend/neighbor's mom was showering. The husband almost shot him upon coming across him in the act. He was let go with a warning.
I'm sure that more stories will come out as the case reaches more people.
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This mother is still not seeing the monster. My jaw dropped when she said: "I feel Stephan put Maddie where she could be found" - as though he did a nice thing." 🤢
What a self deluded disgusting thing to say...
If Stephan had any regret, he would have confessed immediately and not hidden Maddie.
Her reaction is just her trying to make it better in her mind. She is still trying to find some good in her son and has no idea that she sounds like a total ass. She isn’t the type to think before speaking
@@kateackerman7797I think that is the problem. Obviously, no parent wants to believe their child could ever do anything really wrong but that doesn't mean they can't. I think if she had not spent his life making excuses for him and deluding herself, she might have stopped this horrific behavior before it started. People don't hate them because they gave birth to a monster, they hate them for having the audacity to worry more about their reputation than Maddy's life.
@@thia41012 this!!!!
His traumatic brain injury couldn’t been that bad when he didn’t spend not even a day in the hospital . Wonder if it’s another excuse from his parents
Totally! I thought that was so odd. Like he literally did t even stay in the hospital.
It most definitely is an excuse, my son had several concussion growing up. He was not allowed to play high school football. That came from the hospital that had all his records. SS is just a bad seed and the parents are this losers enablers.
Ya after Stephan got ran over by that truck did they mention how they came into money?
Doesn't matter, it could have been undiagnosed.
Still, the DP for him.
He knew exactly what he was doing.
If his TBI was that bad then he would be labeled disabled and receiving a check every month. He got ran over twice but didn't have any broken bones or needed surgery???? Impossible!!!
When I'm listening his mother I'm not surprised why he became such a monster.
Deb is the mom-ster!
We cannot blame,,, but yes many times the entitled child does harm,, my beautiful Mom did it too with my youngest Sis,, but I would never blame MY MOM.
Echidna. The mother of monsters.
@@StephaniePiazzeseWrong! We can 100%, absolutely, positively, without a doubt "blame".
@@StephaniePiazzeseI have always found it odd the way perverts defend other perverts. What's up with that?
CS lied about seeing photo! He was trying hard to get Jen arrested any way he could. Not defending Jen at all. Just making a point.
Yeah he said he thought he had seen the photo but he was “mistaken”
“I must’ve just imagined that.” Like, WTF are you “imagining,” dude? You would know if you’ve seen something like that or not. And, even if you truly were up in the air about whether or not you’d actually seen it, basic logic would tell you there’s no fn way police would A: just give Jen a copy of illegal material to show around town or B: allow Jen to make a copy/take a picture of illegal material. Unless he was trying to sneakily imply that she had the photo prior (despite police having already confiscated her devices at that point) and she just lied to him saying “oh, the police gave it to me” as a cover/excuse as to why she was in possession of it, but even that doesn’t makes much sense because obviously police had already looked at her phone, and didn’t find any csam, and they know one of their own guys wouldn’t just give her a photo like that to keep…
The parents go on a bit of a tirade in the HTC interview about Stephan being a liar and a thief; I’d hope dad making excuses for his son is just his fd up way of coping with his son being a monster, but on the other hand, it’s like “well, I wonder where he got it from?..”
@@RandomBogeyc caw
@@Shaylynne exactly. Can you even imagine?
@@EliseDFENSthat is by far one of the most important things that he said - red flags all over that statement
It’s funny how they say Jen was there when he supposedly killed her when I’m sure they were home when he stole the watch from them…and again you’ve nailed it!
@@darritchie5632 I think Gray nailed it too!
Stealing a Rolex is not the same as killing a child and removing the body AND riding around in the car while the body is in the trunk. Not at all the same
@@kateackerman7797 that’s not the point but, good job! 👍🏻
They coddled a monster!!!
Agreed. I have raised three sons. You give them a date - well in advance, and tell them that's "move out" date.
Otherwise, many young men will relax and stay home w mom & dad forever. 😊
I think the mama coddled him, and Daddy had to do what ever made her happy.
In our heart. Not my heart. Not our hearts. Heart. If they share one heart, who's in control of it?
Jen says we and is accused of lying.
Chris says our heart and... crickets.
It's obviously common for them to speak for each other.
Stephan most likely brought the we/me speak into his relationship with Jen over the years, unless it's just common vernacular for the area.
@debbratrueax4430 Also, when Jenn used "we" twice when it was really just Stephan, she actually corrected this in the next sentence or two. How can it be a "lie" if she is straightening out what she meant right after? I had parents who were married for 53+ years and my mom never learned to drive and often who also said "we" when it was only one of them, or in explaining how they thought or felt about something. It's a variance in vernacular, really. Not a lie.
@pamelastevens1609
It is one thing to say "we" when describing a stance on something, for example "we don't want to sell the house" "we like to spend time at the beach" "we are republicans"
Butnto use it describe the physical.actions of another, and not to say "we kicked him out" but to use it when describing dropping a child off to school? Not, you say he did, she did etc.
All I hear is two very bitter people trying to change the narrative. Full of denial, victim shaming and excuses.
Gray, you are the first person to speak directly to what I have been thinking and thought about in this situation all along. People can hate me all they want to but it is clear to me that Stephan preyed on Jennifer’s mental health, gaslit her, and did the unthinkable to Maddie. Should Jenn have been more careful? Yes but as someone who has dealt with Major Depression, I know that the meds can really make you so oblivious and your thoughts so foggy. Sadly, that is why it is important to keep your village strong and communicating regularly for the sake of your children. My heart is just broken for Maddie. ❤
Watched a documentary once a pedophile got asked why pick that child he answered I don't pick the child I pick the parent
She was definitely an unfit parent and she seems very easily manipulated & not bright. It's unreal a mother could be this stupid!!!!
Yes, me too!! But no one else thinks this way. Thank God I found you two 😂 I was beginning to think I'm too passive or gullible 😅
She was in no condition to take care of a child. The emotionless state CAN be caused by heavy medication. Plunder has a video on Jen's blog to her Mom, you can see the young Jen was already showing bipolar and unstable behaviour and her mother would not help her in any way.
@@michelleramos6187oh I'm with you guys. Even though I find Jennifer's stupidity infuriating at times, I don't believe she had a clue what was happening to Maddie. I've said since the beginning because I know how predators work. Jenn was a predator's dream unfortunately for Madeline.
His dad also told the police too bad Stephan didn't destroy the phone like he did the computer.
Well think about this .. they want to find someone else to blame and I can bet throughout his life they constantly bailed him out of trouble .. Stephen is a good little Angel that did no wrong and that results as him being the monster that he is..
And that whole thing about the image of Maddie- bullshit. You don’t recall seeing an image and then let it go that easily when the police says it couldn’t happen. Then he goes on to say am I imagining that? Only cos that detective was the one who showed it to her. And now it’s a figment of his imagination. Either he was making it up right from the start or has seen that image on one of Stephans devices. I do think that he was trying to implicate Jenn with this lie.
And why are they so hell bent on convincing people that Jenn was in on it? To make themselves look less bad- it’s not cos of us it’s cos of her. But the way they’re going after her and trying to frame the listeners mind is making them look worse!
It's obvious Mom "Debbie" coddled that kid to what he became, gave into his every bizarre request. She's extremely defensive......and digs way too deep to try and explain away everything. Steph's actions should have been curtailed decades ago...but Debbie kept aiding and abetting it.
I agree from what I gather she’s also a racist and narcissist. I can believe she was physically abusive when she was a lot younger. It was stated in one interview that she dumped a bowl a popcorn on CS head during an argument and he did it back. I think she hit him and he hit her a$$ back. CS seems to be the sneaky one he comes off as meek and mild in public just like SS.
You can't blame parents for everything, not sticking up for her or anything. But at some point, an adult I'd responsible for their own actions. You can't teach a child to be a Mol---ter! And yes, she does explain away too much!!
When he took the 15 yr old upstairs the mum said she just offered them snacks,
@@michelleramos6187 The parents allowed that POS to become an adult child who slept all day, had no career...and they supported that with money and housing. NOTHING good was to become of THAT. While there may not be a direct link to pedophelia and worse.....the coddling of abherant behavior was NEVER going to have a good result/ending.
Bitty Mommy.
Gray, this is a well thought out video, interplaying the parents video against the friends of Stephan and your intelligent comments are Grade A.🏆
The thing that's so twisted that I haven't heard one person bring up is how Jen took care of their undercover pedophile son for years and years, stood by him, tried to help him and then believed vehemently in his innocence. And at the first opportunity they threw her under the bus.
They drug her under the bus and was driving the damn bus as well.
But I have yet to hear Jen throw anyone under the bus. Not them, not her own mother who was likely psychologically cruel to Jen. And that's why she didn't go to Maddie's birthday party.
Even Jen's ex husband has nothing but good to say about Jen's mother. Which would not be the case if Jen had been trash talking her mother to him in the past. She didn't trash talk any of her family to Maddie, or Maddie wouldn't have been so happy to go there. she just stepped out of the way so that Maddie could get the love and support she didn't.
People like that don't have the best boundaries. It's one of the flaws that comes along with being too loving. These things are probably what has caused her mental health problems. You can't cure emotional wounds with a pill.
These facts on top of Jen saying things in her interviews about not wanting to have to comfort others when she just needs comfort herself, among other things shows she's actually a very loving person who doesn't denigrate others. Which speaks more to her character than to those around her.
Her lack of denigrating Stephen sterns when everyone else thought he richly deserved it made us all think she was complicit. I'm trying to look into the this case fairly, objectively and deeply. And the more I look, the more it looks like she's just not the kind to harm others as she's been harmed.
Instead of swinging at everyone who has swung on her she's just taking her pain with her privately. And I do think there will be some karmic balancing for that. I'm saying that as kindly as I can.
Well said.
This is the most interesting comment I have read in a while. 👍🏻👍🏻 My honest impression of Jenn is that she is a likeable person. I’m sure that her moods can give her problems at times with socializing and interpersonal relationships, but with depression you have to learn to ride those waves.
One thing that I appreciate about Jenn as a mother is that Maddie certainly did not suffer from medical neglect. She saw mental health professionals, a therapist, and her Dr (not sure if it was a pediatrician or gynecologist) was aware of Maddie’s erratic periods according to Jenn. There is a lot to be said for this, and it shows some level of attentiveness on Jenn’s part. If Jenn had anything to hide, it seems unlikely that she would get Maddie involved with professionals that are trained to spot it.
I agree with this comment 💯
@@mirzamay yes Jenn did all that for Stephan at the detriment of her only child. She put his wants and needs before Maddie’s. Never a kind word for Maddie (perhaps mirroring her own mother’s mothering) but Stephan is so kind, so patient, so understanding to Maddie’s ABNORMAL ways (her words, not mine) I believe that way of thinking/acting was extremely harmful to Maddie. Let us not lose focus on who the true victim is here, who paid the ultimate price…Maddie and only Maddie.
@@cassandraperez1185agree
I think Stephen has learned from his parents!! They sound very manipulative in all of these stories!! Trying to make everyone believe that they aren't to blame. The three of them are full of lies!!
You're absolutely correct about this. I feel that all three have the same personalities, and all three the same psychiatric deviant characteristics. It's quite something to see. I feel that they're dangerous, scary people
Yes, they're all 3 very much alike inam mannerisms 💯 for sure. And the manipulation is clear on their side also. They're watching all this UA-cam stuff and trying to play it like a cardboard, it's getting in their minds.
I can't believe they didn't ask Debra why she paid Stephans roommate off so he would cover up the C.P. on the computer along with the hidden cam video. To me Debra should have warned Jenn that he had been caught with C.P. and shouldn't be left alone with her daughter. But Debra didn't she kept the secret hidden.
How many other perversions has he done over the years that this family has covered up, makes you wonder!
Father turned over USBs with Images … He said one had nothing , other he surface reviewed. Then turned it over to cops. Father saw shit on the USB and trying to tie it to Jen showing him. Mother is off . Brick short for sure . Thx Gray . Coverage commentary and staying to facts is great . Your hard work is appreciated . Maddie’s life Mattered and Judgement will come.
I think the parents were looking for any angle they could find to blame Jenn...
The mother lived with s.s for years without his father present.....personal opinion I believe s.s was also a c.a victim either from or thru his mother. She also slept alone with maddie but she previously stated that she was horrified that maddie shared a bed with s.s a non biological relative?? Guilty & scrambling to look like they cared for maddie!
Not defending s.s in anyway, shape or form tho just stating I think he was also abused
Accountability SS behavior. Both parents had awareness of their sons behavior. MS was only 8 years old when her innocence was taken from by him. Heart breaking 💔
Maddie called him on Saturday, his parents said he was super agitated after the call and left to go to Jen’s place on the Sunday. I think Maddie told him she was going to tell on him. Nothing like, she had a crush and SS was jealous, he didn’t have feelings for Maddie, he was only interested in abusing her. Turning 13 was a milestone for Maddie, she said things like she was going to live in the woods, run away, and other comments, it sounded to me like she was going to take control of her life. So I think it WAS premeditated.
The issue I have with these people is their son can do no wrong. He's 37 and they still treat him like he's 12. They're so focused on how SS actions reflect on them they feel they have to control his every move.They can't imagine that he can make his own decisions. Well that sure backfired.
Glad Gray shows a healthy skepticism towards the parents....they have their own agenda.
Some people just don't need to have children, and THEY are a perfect example.
Stephen's parents certainly care a lot about what people think of them.
I’m a retired 32 year cop. I believe Jennifer is unfit parent due to mental health issues and maybe there is probable cause to arrest her for child endangerment by allowing Stephan to sleep with Maddie. I do not believe that Jennifer is directly involved with Maddie’s Death. Indirectly yes by being completely in the fog on what was going on in her own home. That could possibly be from her on all kinds of medications which caused her to sleep a lot. Unless some other evidence to come along, I don’t think she will be charged. They would have already done it if they were. The cops need her as a good witness. We will see what happens
They will not arrest her. I have a friend in LE at that dept - no one will be arresting Jenn. No evidence she participated or knew of the abuse.
@@marygoff3332 I agree if they were going to they would have already. They need her as a cooperating witness.
@marygoff3332 I knew from the beginning she had no idea what happened. That first interview she was terrified and worried and her daughter. She loves Maddie but bc of her mental issues, those meds caused her to be an absent but present mother.
She lied about several things I am sorry but her negligence is the sole reason all this happened. She needs to pay for that
@@sophine7189please you have a distorted view of love if you beleive that. She didn't think the same was evil
I can understand not abandoning your child who murdered in different circumstances. Not this one. I don’t want him to have a moment of comfort in jail.
Great job with putting this video together with the interview snippets. Thanks Gray!
Pleased to have found your channel. Thank you for your rational perspective on the Soto/Sterns case.
His mother didn’t tell the story of her finding a sex doll torso in the disgusting bedroom of Stephen Stearns. Curious thing to leave out of this interview, right?
Yes I remember that
Good point! Selective memory?
I wish HTC had asked them about that.
@@TN-rf7nt HTC was holding back. Perhaps they will talk about the experience of hosting the Stearns.
It’s exactly like a drug addict, stealing for his sexual fix toys, etc.
Towards the end of their interview, they noted that the Saturday of her birthday party Stephan was extra stressed. This is before he left their house and went to Jen’s. I really want to know what happened in the days or hours prior that caused him to get so stressed, and soon after he killed Maddie. That is the most fascinating question at this point. Why? What did she say to him? Did she want you to end this sickness once she found out what it was? What happened.
Can’t say it enough but thank you for being a voice of reason!
Stephen didn't get this way due to decent parents. Obviously parents screwed him up to a point🔴
My brother killed his girlfriend & my patents disowned him they don’t visit him or call him in prison we don’t ever talk about him. Sounds like they think supporting their pdofile son is normal and anyone would do it…..incorrect!
what is interesting is that , as I remember it, the police didn't really want to show pics to Jen. She insisted she needed to see them.
@@DebbbieK1970 I find that very interesting too.
I find it sick
It wasn't plural, she saw one and said that's enough. I think in her own mind she had to see to believe it.
@@beanj580 Yes, you are right. It was only one. Just that his dad said, that she said, she was forced to look at it.
They are still coddling SS, so maddening😡 they should have alerted the LE, they knew he has these issues
I find it duplicitous and self-serving when they say Stephen was a good guy and they’re surprised he did this. But then on the same token, they say he was a manipulative Liar and thief who hung out with shady people? Which one is it folks?
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I honestly feel like Jennifer was way more involved. I would even speculate that Maddie was pregnant and Jenifer found out and was upset, she was apart of it. Why does she tell him she doesn’t want it to be a “woody Allen” situation! Seems like a outrageous thing to say unless you know something was going on
You " feel" like, yet detectives tell us the opposite. Why are your feelings correct with limited knowledge, yet police with ALL evidence say the opposite?
I think Jennifer handed Maddie to him on a cake plate, knew he was molesting her from the beginning and traded her daughter for whatever money Stephan got from his parents.
Many mother’s do this. It’s a fact. I know of at least 3.
Exactly 💯 it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure JS out.
He's here! Gray the best mapper and the best commentator .Thanx for being here and bringing your insight.
I agree that you always put out facts that you have looked into and validate. You have always been consistent and that I can say. You don’t do things for clicks and views like the other channels that I pop into and see what a different your channel is.Thanks for all you do I appreciate your time and effort. I always hit the like button on my way in.
Thank you Gray! Very interesting info. IMO, SS parents are trying to do damage control. AND it's extremely late for that.
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I think Lauren and Dr John were trying to be polite. They’re the good guys.
One person I'd really like to hear from someday is Jenn's mother. She had birthday parties for Maddie and Maddie spent a lot of time with her. Also, she's the one person in Jenn's circle of friends and family who never liked Stephan and didn't trust him. She's gotta be destroyed right now, that poor lady. Yeah. I would definitely like to hear whatever she wants to say one day.
You have done a good job on bringing truth to the parents,interviews. It looks like they have come around to the truth, and stop blaming other people. They have aged so much this has been hard on them to recognize it was their son that is the monster .
It would seem his parents are hoping to get Stephan off by saying he had a brain injury. I can see where Stephan got his tendency to manipulate and lie from.
Stephen said "I didn't start it"..he actually is implying Madeline coming on to him first!..he figures he can fool his parents at least.🔴
yeah, I said that in multiple videos and shows.
Agreed 100%
I don't see how medication can be the cause of the words Jen used to describe her dead daughter's body. I found it shocking actually. " Dumped the body" for example.
Tyler used the same verbiage, did he too have a part in Madeline's demise?
She was using the same verbiage LE was during those interviews.
Perhaps a level of disbelief using detached generic phrase instead of the painful phrase “where he dumped my beautiful girl’s body”
I was thinking that too!
@@dejectedsmilez No where in my comment did I say that she was involved.
Why in hell would they be supporting their grow ass son? He had a job yet they kept supporting him.
There is an interview with a friend who lived with them. He said the father was never there. He said the mother doted on Stephan but was otherwise kind of mean.
I think they got a lawyer who acted as a PR agent and told them they needed to talk nice about Maddie.
Did they apologize to Jen? Not that I know of. Why? Because a lawyer would tell them it might imply guilt or, at the very least, defamation of character, and they should stay away from the topic of Jen as much as possible.
Prior knowledge of bad acts on their part would make them ripe for lawsuits and possibly criminal charges as well.
I don't believe they care one bit. And I don't believe they would have acted differently if they "knew" the facts before talking to Stephan...."Too bad he was careless with his phone."
They also make it sound like they spent a lot of time with Maddie, when in truth the activities mentioned could have happened in one weekend.
They're scrambling to save face and avoid legal problems. I didn't detect any sincerity.
But that's just my opinion.
What kind of PR agent would advise them that doing an interview on UA-cam would be a good idea?
At this point, an expert Crisis Management team couldn't extinguish this $hit show inferno.
IMHO of course.
I don't know, but a lawyer doing damage control might advise to get the word out that they're heartbroken about Maddie's murder. Because prior to that all they did was point fingers at Jen and away from Stephan.
@@debbratrueax4430I agree, but I think any message or stance from them would be best conveyed from a reputable media source, not a UA-cam channel.
Which is why I didn't watch it/them.
Stephan called his parents from the police station when he got arrested in the CSAM charges We haven’t heard that phone call
I was gonna say something about that. What do you mean CS doesn’t know anything? You mean to tell me that they have not questioned their own son what the hell happened? You mean to tell me that they had nothing to say to him, but yet they don’t have a problem sending him coffee and root beer candy.
@@maddmunkee2 ummm they can't see him in person. I believe this was said in this video a few times . Obviously they can't ask on the phone. So NO they haven't asked the loser what went on . Use your noddle
@@Tee-cl6dcthey Emailed back and forth and not once did his parents even ask him what happened. They are aware that those emails are read by detectives and that's pretty much why they didn't ask but the fact that they saying "he don't know anything" when they didn't even ask is ridiculous.
@@Tee-cl6dc how do you know were you there? They’ve been emailing him back-and-forth. What do you mean? They can’t ask him why don’t you use your noodle? you’re gonna tell me that they’re not gonna ask about what happened in the beginning? As a parent that would be the first thing you asked, don’t you think? Or they just having conversations about root beer candy, and coffee?
A lawyer would advise them not to discuss anything remotely like that since the emails are public property.
He seems to be a bad person all his life, his parents always helped him get out
These parents are horrible narcissists. Their only concern is how this all reflects on them.
I believe there is a VERY STRONG chance Stephan was sharing images on this network that Gray mentioned on Telegram. He had 30.000 images and had shown signs of exhibitionist behavior in the past. Stephan’s sexual deviance is diabolical in so many angles. I sometimes wonder if he got away with this crime if he would of sought out another woman/child victim to abuse and commit murder again when threatened with being caught in some manner .Could this of been the making of a serial killer?
I remember the interviews that you did. And yes supposedly she paid off one of his buddies to stay quiet about his behavior..if true, more enabling which just feeds into creating a full blown narcissist manipulator. I kept waiting for them to express their grief about Maddie..they did finally mention her but it took awhile. I understand as parents this must be horrific, hard to comprehend and accept. It’s difficult for me to empathize when so much blame is deflected towards Jen but it’s a loss for them as well. Shes asks if it’s a crime to give birth and No, however, if his predatory and pedophilic behavior were covered up by either of them, then that’s a whole other story.
This monster Stephen has to get right and take responsibility for Maddie's death once and for all. 😢
Also adding, my thoughts are that he was drugging her and selling the videos and images….maybe he was choking her and it went too far. Idk I just hope we get answers.
Stephan also mentioned in the interview with police that he was having money troubles. Jen said Maddie got a lot of money for her birthday. On a previous occasion Jen and Maddie thought Stephan stole Maddie's Christmas money. I could even see Stephan killing Maddie for a measley few hundred because he is such a horrible, horrible person.
Unlike suitcase Sarah everything these people do and say is very intentional. This is a Pity Me, look at Jenn PR campaign.
And when she says if he got hit by a car it would have been easier - she means cos any sign of his predilection would’ve died with him and they wouldn’t be feeling this shame and embarrassment.
She’s so full of shit - I don’t believe much of what she says or least the way she frames things.
And the thing that pissed me off the most was when she was talking about Maddie should be alive - it’s a horrible world. The world didn’t kill Maddie. Stephan did.
All they cared about initially was how the community was going to view them.
@@43ShaDey precisely. I would have had sympathy for them as parents - no one wants this to be their kid- but it’s really hard to have any sympathy after watching that interview. I can see how how the alchemy of both of their personalities and narcissism led to a son who is afraid of women and felt unable to grow into a man. But even those things aren’t really their fault- people like this never look at themselves and so never understand themselves. It’s the PR Campaign for me and the focus on diverting attention from Stephan. It’s sick.
Remember that the Stearns were visited by the Laundries. That tells you all you need to know.
This mother is posturing as if they were close with Maddie. What nonsense. I believe the mother particularly was utterly contemptuous of Jennifer and barely tolerated Maddie.
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Thanks for telling it like it is gray
A highly noted clinical expert (Saltz) was on CTV and said there is no link/correlation between traumatic brain injuries and pedophelia, etc. Sorry parents, that one won't work either.
Good to know. There seems to be a violence link. Interesting. Sounds lije something interesting to go down the rabbit hole on!
@@pamelastevens1609 I'll have to watch that clip again...she was very detailed. Don't recall her saying there is a violence link either. The net is that it explains nothing relative to Sterns behavior...he was a bonafide depraved vile character all on his own right.
My God. They have 1001 explosions for his deviant behavior!!! That all BS to me!!!
Let met translate Stephan's "I did not start this"
What he is saying is "Maddie came on to me." I am the victim (again)
That's like when I was 30 and my (POS stepdad a b u s e r started at 4 went to 13) told me "God forgives BOTH of us" 🤔 say what ? What did GOD forgive ME for?
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4:26 “I didn’t start it” = “I’m blaming my victim for what I did”
They created a monster. Who takes care of a 37 year old grown man. I wouldn’t. My daughter yes if she falls into difficult times
In the previous interview, ( where the parents did not realize their recordings would be made public), SS's mom said they hardly saw them and how she regifted something she bought for herself for Maddie's 13th birthday. Like, could she even bother to get Maddie something personal or even a nice gift card? (They had the money.) Also, the parents knew SS stole from them but still let him live there and still paid for him? PULEEZ! I believe this interview with HTC just made them look worse.
The dad saying "I apologize" is exactly how Stephen said it when he was telling the cops he can't remember things because of being tired/drugged/adhd.
You can’t have open communication with someone if they don’t open up to you! These parents don’t understand what they’re saying. They call him a liar and tell us that he’s a thief and then they try to act like he’s a good son…
Isn’t it interesting that she goes from Maddie told me about the sleeping arrangements, not Jen or Stephan- and Jenn said she can’t stop Maddie getting in the bed then switches straight into oh he was a gaslighter! Who really did she have that convo with?
And why can’t they put it together that SS also gaslighted JS , Maddie and everyone else? The parents are very bright and astute and managed to be gaslighted by him. Why is it a stretch for them to see JS was medicated and unstable and easier to gaslight. Not making excuses for JS just noting that she was mentally struggling and on heavy meds.
@@ElyseF00 Sure seems like it.
So the guy bribed SS and kept quiet about CP?
I have heard several instances throughout the years that, if reported, Maddie could be safe and alive today. Just pathetic!
Im sorry but that whole family is nuts
I think Stephan blamed Maddie, because his poem said 'I would have died for you', meaning if it wasn't for whatever she did, he would have been so loyal or loving or whatever he meant by that, but she ruined it. That line really irks me.
Yes, and I suspect that when he told his parents that he "didn't start it" he was alluding to Madeline, not Jennifer.
I can imagine, with a mother as detached as Jennifer, Madeline might have sought the comfort of physical affection, which Sterns was all too willing to provide, then expand upon in his warped exploitative way.
Absolutely, but I don't really think he wrote the poem after he killed her... I mean he was in the wherewithal to write his own name, much less a poem...
Yes, you DID take part in the crime, Mrs S ... when you were horrified by the sleeping arrangements ,you did not alert child protection
Sooo many ppl failed Maddie 😢
I don't think the parents are villains in this. They needed time to process and accept their son committed such an unspeakable crime. They've both fully cooperated with the police, Dad is extremely level headed, Mom's a bit of a hothead and wants to blame Jenn but she's coming to terms with who Stephan is. She's hypocritical by over blaming Jenn while wanting understanding from the public. EX: stating "Is it a crime to birth a child". I mean "Is it a crime to date your son"? No idea if she paid that guy off, I'd need more proof than hearsay.
I was bombarded with abuse for a comment I made about Jen probably having a subdued, strange, affect because of bipolar medication she was taking. I was told I was a red flag. I can understand that people may think I’m a man because of my UA-cam name, being Benno, but I’m actually a 58 year old grandma. It seems to me that the hate aimed at Jen is increasing as time goes by. I’ve unsubscribed from one of the most famous content creators because I’m fed up of the ‘Jen is a monster’ narrative. I will be subscribing to your channel, the only one that sticks to the facts. I’ll wait for a live though as I’m hoping for a shoutout 😂😂😂🫶🏽🇬🇧🫶🏽
I so appreciate Gray's level-headed thoughts on this case.
Me too, not other creators that spin details that fit popular narrative
There is no reason for Stephen's family to be in public.
Hiding in plan sight.
Dad didn't go to help look for Maddie. He went to pay for a motel room.
Of course, he went to North Port. He had to clean his room up at his parents' house.
Gate code and keys to the storage please. 🙏
A little more understanding of why Stephen makes us so sick. Just look at these two.
No one protected Maddie.
it's crazy that Debbie sterns speaks better about Maddie than jen
She did
Was he by any chance an addict? Or just a spoiled greedy a-hole? Cause the stealing the jewelry and money from parents is addict behavior
@@KimmySemak he always wanted the newest toys and games but couldn’t hold down a job. IMO he just saw opportunity to get some money and has no problem stealing from people. I don’t think he was an addict. I’m not even convinced he took as many meds as he claims. Just used them as an excuse.
@@Smokinstilettos2 yeah that honestly crossed my mind what you were saying it sounded like he wanted games and toys it's just such a scumbag move. I'm not using addiction as an excuse but at least that would maybe explain it. This is just pure selfishness because he's in the right frame of mind I mean not literally but you know what I'm saying lol
@@KimmySemak I understand completely. He did pervy crap as a teen also. He’s just scum. No excuse.
I think he used adderall quite a bit
Yes, he'd been smoking weed and drinking from early teens. Then it seems like he switched to pills: Adderal, Ativan, etc.
The dad knows what’s up, as far as the right thing to say regardless what he thinks. Mom just can’t hide her gaslighting way of life when it comes to her son. Jmo from this interview.
They talk about him having a TBI from being hit by a car but the hospital sent him home the same day. That is not a TBI that is a head injury that the hospital didn't even keep him overnight for. They talked out both sides of their mouths SS was a bully, genius, lazy, sneaky, lying narcissist who was also an animal lover that treated women well, he wanted to fix people because he had wounded bird syndrome.
Maddie was a child and her comprehension level wasnt that of an adult male!
TYVM for posting this Just found your channel & now following ❤
I thank the parents of Stephen for accepting reality that their son committed mistake
I agree, hypocritical for the interviewers to scoff at the comment made at the time people spend watching true crime. I have also heard them calling child abusers monsters or the situation being horrific and calling out enablers. I feel they wanted the views so showed empathy on this interview to get the gig. My opinion.
My heart goes out to these people, and I hate that they're being harassed. But I never hear them blaming Stephan or showing any anger towards him. He obliterated Maddie’s childhood and then took her life. They should be angry at their son, and I have yet to hear ANY ANGER OR BLAME! Stephan painted the target on his parent's back. They send him books and commissaries like he’s at camp. Where is there anger against who perpetrated this entire mess! Stephan Sterns! 🤬
but you just harrassed them in another comment.
I heard on another site, the mother called the young man who exposed
SS about recording his friends GF. That lady is evil and vile.
@@GrayHughesInvestigates What other comment? Thank you for keeping me honest! BTW, I was on another channel, and Maddie’s advocate reported that Maddie was NOT pregnant. She is also associated with the Wallace’s. Keep up the good work! ♥️
@@GrayHughesInvestigates I always hit the like button! 🌻
@@GrayHughesInvestigates Good point! I'm deleting my parking lot comment.
About Sterns parents, my initial reaction to them was not too kind. But then I think how traumatic all this has to be for them. Can you imagine finding out your offspring did what Stephan did? Of course their thoughts are going to be all over the place.
DS tells JS to locked the door at night so Maddie doesn’t try to come into her room because she knows that her son Sterns had a history of being a predator.
She knows.
This mother is only worried about herself.
She does my head in
Someone may have already mentioned this but if so I've missed it but it's been weighing on me. The parents first interview together with cops dad said he didn't know SS was going until day of or day before and mom stated she knew a week or so ahead because she had come across MS gifts . Then later on she made the statement he didn't have anything for her and gave him I believe some kind of necklace and earrings.. hmmm. ??? Next thing I wonder did Maddie receive the gift? And also was all her bday money accounted for? If this has been discussed sorry I've missed it ..
Thanks Gray! Appreciate all the work you put into all of your videos!! ❤