I dont feel like rossman's video was targeted at specifically MKBHD's video; it just uses it as a way to reach a larger audience. Most of his points are directly against APPLE, NOT mkbhd. While mkbhd never flat out attacks apple, he has a job. he cant just go out and criticize people who are giving him really good content. idk man, i feel like you are a bit too brainwashed by rossman and just hear a guy saying another guy is wrong, and just go with that.
@@LightModeContradiction Rossman directly mentioned this video, it's even linked in the description. And yes, you don't need to attack, but you have a lot of decent questions available, it's not like MKBHD won't be able to buy new phones to review them or anything. He is not a journalist, but even LTT has asked better questions than these.
@@LightModeContradiction Yes, he can criticize Apple or any other company. He doesn’t do that because not doing it makes him money. That’s not a job of a journalist. That’s a job of a marketing or PR person. Journalism is saying what someone else does not want to be said. Everything else is public relations. Influencers don’t want to be called journalists because it takes the responsibility of them. Gives them justification for doing what companies pay them to do (directly or indirectly). It makes them money, it gives companies a easy way to control the message and their image but it’s just PR. It’s not professional journalism or even good critique. With big power comes big responsibility… as cheese as it sounds - it’s true. He is one of the biggest tech UA-camrs in the world. An expert in his field. A millionaire. He knows what he’s doing and he knows that Apple is using him to greenwash their image. He can afford to be better. We should expect or even demand him to.
Regarding your statement that durability and reliability are on a sliding scale… Programming the phone to not work with replacement parts does not make it more reliable just more profitable.
@@techtonik25 they were probably targeting framework with that sliding statement, and while that might be true, their practices of serializing the shit out of everything has nothing to do with durability vs reparability.
Or at least make it possible for an average user to pair the serialized parts (thinking about it makes me realize again how unnecessary serialized parts are)
Dude he said at first place that he was "invited" to Apple testing lab he even said in video that he don't know why Apple do dropping test that failed everytime and what did you think he will ask Apple about repair?
Dude if you’re not going to be allowed to ask these people the hard questions then just don’t bother. This guy is obviously going to defend the company’s choices. Please talk to people actually having to fight tooth and nail to repair the devices too so we get a better picture of the issue.
@@Jagi125 Get Louis Rossman over and have them debunk apples propaganda live on-the-fly. This man is already at it for over a decade, and we still see this shit pop up. Massive Marques L
@@sageslarres Marques needs to understand that his channel was built because of us, not Apple. He also needs to remember that in the beginning he didn't care for Apple products, because he knew back then they were lackluster in comparison to Android's offerings. Yet look at him now, blinded by the Apple clout and exclusivity. Shill for trivial reasons.
@@MikeCobweb That would be incorrect as well LR didn't prepare and was extremely tired while doing his crap video and was wrong consistently. LR calling it propaganda is insane and he needs to check himself, MKBHD is a TECH channel he was doing his job by relaying information directly from a company, it almost sounds like he didn't watch the whole video coherently nor does he have any background on MKBHD and how they are very transparent about how they feel about apples bullshit just watch the podcast waveform you will be educated swiftly. MKBHD has been very clear about how they feels about apple and their choices which is why MKBHD goes and meets them in person to get an up front answer if you don't like the answer given that is not MKBHDs fault. Nor is it anything close to "propaganda" Maybe do better research and you wont look like a total moron to anyone with half a brain cell in the tech industry. I cant expect a youtuber as large as MKBHD to destroy a relationship with Apple because of peoples personal fragile feelings.
Only if you have absolutely no capacity to understand nuance and accept complexity. I'll break it down for you: 8:19 [repairability and durability] _"are not always mutually exclusive"_ 9:54 _"there is a threshold"_ [after which making it more durable does not compensate the lower repairability] 10:08 _"they probably should't be making it from glass"_ [because that proves they aren't about durability]
I agree he should just not upload the interview parts. Most likely this is all agreed upon before he gets to see some of the testings and talk to some people. obviously he has to hand in the questions he asks first then they edit them and then he comes in. otherwise they straight up deny access. but i agree. for someone who does reviews for a living its a bit of a dangerous path to walk down because he is loosing his base by not being transparent about this.
Brother I can literally tell the stupid from the smart based on when their comment was made, older comments are from smarter people who managed to figure out what was bad about the video and explain it without any help while you on the otherhand needed to wait a week and a half to wait for Louis Rossman to explain it to you.
@@benny7682 Are you OK? Your comment is rude and dumb. Dumb because you don't know how UA-cam's algorithm works. Plenty of people didn't even know about this video until Rossman's
@@MaxOakland At best then lets assume that that someone found Louis' video then went onto MKBHDS, It still doesn't change the fact that it's stupid to adopt the position of Louis then to act like it is your own, as if it was your own thought then you go on to scream at Marques for basically doing the same thing the commenter did by being a talking-head for someone else.
@@GabrielAlvahas nothing to do with viewership. Louis has made actual changes to the law in some US states in terms of right to repair. Marques just rides apple every video
@@angelaizen2231what do you mean, “rides Apple every video?” He’s rated Samsung as his phone of the year, for most years. He has said he prefers the android OS. So, you are already wrong. He’s rated Apple products as poor. For example, He criticized iPads for weak upgrades. It sounds like you just want him to be a mindless Apple hater. He may be wrong in this video and is right to be called out for a poor video. But that doesn’t mean he deserves being called something he isn’t. It’s a typical unhinged social media response to label people.
@@makasete30 I agree "rides Apple every video" is too much of a generalization, but I recommend watching Louis Rossman's latest video to see what he has to say about this one in particular.
I don't get it guy already makes bank... but then again how did he get here in the first place? Still if people still follow the guy afterwards... that's on them.
@@ffobliv there’s no joke. If you don’t like Apple’s business practices buy Android. It’s that simple. I promise no one is forcing you to buy an Apple product. You will actually be fine if you don’t.
I don't buy his argument about the balance of durability vs repairability. -Adding gaskets improves durability without conpromising repairability. -Locking parts to serialized pairing has no effect on durability, but destroys repairability.
the unspoken, untouchable third goal is sleek design. You need something to press on the gasket, and that something will not look like a smooth featureless box.
@@LeaPhant Not while keeping the phones as small as they are today though. If the battery is to be in an entirely separate compartment to the rest of the phone's hardware, that would probably make it a decent bit thicker.
Eh, he's probably going to leave the comments on tbh. I'm sure Marquees is aware he fudged here. I absolutely agree there was LOTS of room for push back here, and Louis Rossman was right to call this out. However I think a lot of people are acting in hysteria against Marquees. Searching "right to repair" on UA-camr literally brings up a video of Marquees criticizing Apple on this exact topic.
Durability and Repairability are X and Y. Toyotas are both durable and repearable. BMW are neither durable nor repairable. Guess who is apple in this analogy.
Yes, but BMW will gladly charge you a monthly subscription to be able to use your seat heater or auto light beams. All comfort in your already purchased car for a little bit extra monthly. I hope these companies go bankrupt soon.
Yes but let's talk about Toyota. recently 2018+ they've gone down hill. they do not make half the quality they once did and the Rav 4? it's hardly a tin can with wheels, road noise is atrocious. cargo space- none. rear seating comfort? 0. blind spots? f** huge. interior radio technology? ain't shit, rip out and use aftermarket. gas tank size? like 2 gallons? (5hr trip is 1.5 tanks). reliability mechanically? I'd say 150k miles and ditch it. you know what the worst thing is? arguably and disappointingly still the most reliable brand on the market.
"So yeah, that checks out." You've been in tech for how long and didn't even think to ask Captain Planet over there why they refuse to sell individual components and instead try to force you to buy an assembly of parts nearly the cost of the entire device that can only be installed by them? REALLY???
EXACTLY. How are people not seeing this as BS. Making a device where you can't replace a small piece when only that is broken is a perfect example of not caring about waste or the environment
@@MaxOakland I guess people are seeing this as bs. I didn't expect to see a comment section so good. Full of complaints. I wonder if his employees will erase them all...
I doubt the testing lab has anything to do with monetization and availability of replacement parts, but MKBHD doesn't even mention this in the comfort of his studio
I have samsung xcover 5. It also has a headphone jack. When I had XCover 4, it once fell into toilet without me noticing, were there for about an hour and when I found it it still worked after I left it open to dry out for about a day or two. It only stopped working because the changing connector got damaged years later.
I'm writing this on a Tab Active2 from 2017. The latest Tab Active5 from this year still has removable battery, headphone jack and the IP68 rating. It is a little chunky and heavier but it can be repaired.
Exactly, this really should have been called out. Apple repairability isn't shit because the phones are waterproof, it's because they won't let you buy spare parts, lock things with serial numbers to spam you with errors if you use parts from another phone, make fake trademark claims against anyone trying to make compatible 3rd party parts etc.
yeah disappointed this wasn't addressed, obviously some factors in making a phone durable impact it's repairability but Apple makes conscious decisions to limit repairs even when it would have no impact on robustness
From what I've heard and experienced as a tech intern for my school county, they have to be repairable to appeal to schools, which I noticed they were when I had to take them apart. It also explains why my high school went from having ipads, to Surfaces, to Dell/Thinkpad laptops. The ipads were also a lot more difficult to reimage, which also was a bit of a pain. And by pain I mean it took 5-7 more steps than it took to reimage ANYTHING else. Really makes you wonder...
I dont feel like rossman's video was targeted at specifically MKBHD's video; it just uses it as a way to reach a larger audience. Most of his points are directly against APPLE, NOT mkbhd. While mkbhd never flat out attacks apple, he has a job. he cant just go out and criticize people who are giving him really good content. idk man, i feel like you are a bit too brainwashed by rossman and just hear a guy saying another guy is wrong, and just go with that.
@@LightModeContradiction He was able to reach an audience before he started to deceive it. "he cant just go out and criticize people who are giving him really good content." He is reviewing products! You would expect him to be fair! Why would anyone watch a product review if they know its a commercial? Advertising should be marked as such!
@@LightModeContradiction the video addresses apple's lies, and calls out MKBHD for giving them a platform openly without any due scrutiny that you would expect from a channel this big. He has a pretty huge responsibility to ensure that his content meets at least the very fucking basic standards of objectivity in a video like this. he does not do that. this video is propaganda, plain and simple.
Okay you said finally so where was your comment before Louis made his video? Surely you'd be able and smart enough to make a complaint without needing someone else by your side
At 7:15 Marques says it FEELS like there's a sliding scale between durability and repairability. Increasing one, decreases the other.... Well, that FEELS like a false dichotomy. I think a far more accurate view, is that Apple's bottom line grows more from marketing phones as submersible, than it does as repairable. Marques can do better.
By this logic, buying an old Toyota Land Cruiser would be totally insane. This is probably the easiest car to repair so it must be breaking all the time! Fact check, it's not. Easy to repair, durable and almost never breaks down.
Repairability is not at odds with durability. Ask the old Maytag repairman. Profits and planed obsolescense are at odds with repairability. And so is Apple.
If Apple made cars, if you got a puncture, you'd have to replace it. - remove the glued fender - use a special key to unscrew the rim - for this you would have to replace half of the suspension - and finally, after collecting everything, it would turn out that not everything works as it should, because the replaced parts are not from this specific car, but were taken from another one intended for parts
Also when you replace the brake pads the car will "complain" that it cannot verify if it's an "original" part, even if that new brake pad came from ANOTHER Apple Car!
@@kerolokerokerolonah he's not really a shill. He criticizes them quite a bit. Only issue I feel is that he's not quite educating himself as well as he should and shouldn't be so afraid to lose early access to stuff. People will watch him regardless as always
@winzyl9546 He is very eloquent with his review and try to balance it out not being too harsh on the product he review. Apple products are very expensive as they are mostly stable and produce almost a perfectly stable product.
I mean they kind of are, but not to the extent that Apple tries to make it seem like. They've shown to do stuff that at the end of the day will make them more money no matter how much it fucks over the consumer
First of all, framework laptops are my dream laptops. However, their built quality is definitely subpar compered to apple, mostly because of the modular design. But they are more than repairable, as i said above, they are modular. The complete opposite end of the scale, while still retaining passable build quality. Apple could do even better if ghey wanted to.
The whole repairability vs. durability thing is fine and dandy, but it’s kind of a cop-out argument by Apple. Nobody in the repair community is complaining about waterproofing seals making it harder to replace the battery. They’re complaining about Apple actively punishing repair in software using e.g., serialized parts etc.
@@ytskt YES. I don't get why people are trying their best to kinda put in a moderate manner what this company does to it's costumers. Even people that seems to know about their anti-repairability practices do this shit. It's about profit, and that's it!
I get kinda triggered when I hear about serialized parts. I remember my iPhone 8’s taptic vibration motor need replaced one time, so I ordered a new one and did just that only to find out that it didn’t work because the vibration motor is serialized to each iPhone, starting with iPhone 8 (iPhone 7 did not require serialization and uses the same taptic engine, so I thought I was in the clear) I will say that I am at least responsible for having a moderator on ifixit point out that you’d need a separate, expensive machine to copy over the old vibration motor’s information to the new one, and only repair shops really have access to that sort of thing. I would have rather them put that at the top of the page in case a DIYer like me will know right off the bat whether something like that is even worth doing, but it is what it is.
The marketing of "durability and repairability" being on opposite sliders is objectively wrong. You just gotta look at the automotive industry where some of the most durable cars are also the most repairable. Even within the same tech-space, software locking components which Apple does is another great example of this being not true.
Camera companies (for example) have been making durable, weather sealed and reliable high tech products for decades. These things are designed to last for years and THEY'RE REPAIRABLE at an affordable price. If Apple honestly wanted to make well designed, durable and reliable products they just need to look to Canon, Nikon, Leica, Pentax, Fujifilm, Mamiya, Hasselblad etc.for inspiration and more importantly, the know how.
I didn't notice it at all 😆 This is quite honestly a little cringe, they're using a competing OS because some software doesn't run on their own. I don't know whether to call this laziness or hypocrisy.
@@__jojo__ You do realize that literally any computer can have multiple OSs installed onto it? Giving it a snappy marketing name like "Boot Camp" doesn't mean it's an "Apple feature". And I say this as someone who used to use Boot Camp on my MBP.
@@poika22 I had to use that on college, since pretty much any engineering software is on PC(windows), and the world is run on linux. But its not the same thing, its buggy and laggy, on ARM macs is probably even worse than x86 macs.
@@WallyWachell tell me what is wrong with rely in others with more knowledge than you? It would be wrong if that person is lying and Rossman is not lying
@@DavorZdralo I tend to agree, at this point he probably has "fuck you money" so he can pretty much afford to tell any company to take a hike but instead we get this.. if you wanna test a man's integrity money and power does the trick.
@@Ebalosus LTT that screwed over Billet Labs? The LTT that said he's not going to waste a few hundred dollars to create a proper test, on camera? Nah, I'll stick with GamerNexus for now.
What do you mean? I'm not an active viewer here, but to my impression he has always been that. Same with most other phone reviewers, except that Marques makes his reviews "cinematic".
And yet he hardly ever rates iPhone as his phone of the year. It’s usually Samsung. He has rated a number of Apple products as poor. He may be wrong in this video and Louis is right, but it’s just his opinion. Y’all too hard on him, and not looking at the whole context. Criticism is fine. Hate and calling him something he isn’t is not.
We're not here to bash, but to poke for a response and do the right thing. If he took the time to respond to the ridiculous Fisker controversy (which didn't even merit one!), i'd hope he has better judgement to think hard of his response to Rossman.
Privacy, it’s apple. Protection, it’s apple. Everything nice, a coma, and then put “it’s apple,” and then advertising decades long. That’s how apple makes billions of dollars.
The fact that the back of the iphone is made of glass and not just some sort of hard plastic, which could be designed into some sort of latch to open for easy access, is already a dead giveaway that this is a false dilemma.
@@ahmedelashry8577 Louis Rossmann is a right to repair advocate and unauthorized apple device repair technician with a youtube channel with >2 million subs. He often calls companies out on their bs
My question exactly. They don't have to use proprietary screws and they don't have to software lock individual parts to it's phone. And the phone will still be durable and repairable🤔🤨😒
I'm pretty sure 'proprietary' screws are just to dissuade the casual idiot tinkering with crap from disassembling their phone at home and making a hash of it and bringing it back to Apple to complain that their phone doesn't work. But it's trivial to buy a pentalobe screwdriver now. If Apple were seriously concerned with people opening their phones, they'd be coming up with wild and wacky new designs every year. Only mild argument with the software locking. I think it makes sense to do it to make sure you're not getting parts that will carry malware or whatever (it takes almost no space to do that, which is why you're asked if you trust the cable being plugged into your phone), but they don't provide any good way to get replacement parts at a reasonable price, or re-use old parts from verified old Apple devices, which is BS. They should make that whole pipeline easier.
A proprietary physical asset, such as a screw or an adhesive, can be designed to reduce weight, provide strength in specific areas of the unit (the screw), and create a specific balance. A very low-profile head that can withstand a certain torque rating and has a specific break force at the shank or threading, may require a certain type of drive (flat/Philips, etc.) designed to withstand both the drive force during assembly and and the combination of forces during use, such as strike and vibration, and withstand other factors such as temperature ratings, galvanization resistance, electrical resistance, and so forth. So, in some applications, a custom design can lead to certain goals, and at Apple and other tech companies, a few goals can be better met with custom designs, such as material savings and weight savings.
@@lloydmwinga5628 exactly. the durability vs repairability being "on a sliding scale" is completely wrong. i own a 10 year old Lenovo laptop that still runs like day 1 after being dropped multiple times and i can take it all apart in 15 minutes. Marques is way off point here.
If you can easily get a screw driver for it, how 'proprietary' is it? Also, when dealing with super small parts, the old Phillips head is not the best solution as it strips pretty easily. Also, as stated by someone else, a lot of easy to clear hurtles are to keep simpletons from breaking their phones - like some dope that wants to take a panel off to see what is inside without realizing they're just destroyed the water seal. Having a tiny hurtle to clear, keeps out the vast majority of people who have no idea what they're doing.
I mean idk you're the one that made a comment only exactly after Rossman told you how to complain about it like a lawyer telling his client how to act in the court room.
Tbf MKBHD isn't as knowledgeable about Apple Repairs like Rossman. I think the biggest critique of Apple from Rossman is their new repairing policy in which 3rd party repair stores have to report to apple and only buy their products - I don't think MKBHD is aware of this. Also Rossman complained about various technical issues like the CPU pin being next to a high-voltage pin, crappy hinges on the macbook, etc which Apple doesn't care about (or are deliberately ignoring for planned obsolescence). Again, MKBHD probably isn't aware of these issues. Of course this video is a PR piece for Apple but it's not like MKBHD is deliberately trying to shut down right to repair.
7:06 Phone that doesn't have its parts coded so it can't be changed isnt less durale. Phone that doesn't use 15 different screw head types isn't less durable. Durability doesn't excuse Apples anti-repair practices.
you're absolutely right. i really like mkbhd so i wanna give him the benefit of the doubt, and think that he probably just wants to stay on apple's invite list, and would have otherwise asked way smarter questions.
I’d imagine each screw has its use otherwise why isn’t there just one for everything. Also Apple could just save money if there wasn’t a reason to use different ones
An argument can be made here: Is it possible that Apple is deliberately making it hard to repair their phone so that people go to Apple to repair them, because as we just saw; It's such a "technical'" aspect of building a phone from scratch in such a way so as to make it durable, that to allow lower skilled, off-the-street repairmen to replace internal parts may lower the overall experience and potentially lifespan of the device? Think of it in this context - If you're wealthy, and you buy a Ferrari. When it needs to be serviced or repaired, wouldn't you rather send it into the official Ferrari garage rather than some random mom-and-pop shop? The mechanics at Ferrari have been specifically trained and have years of experience in Ferrari motors and gear boxes, so they know what they're doing. I'm also not saying that Ferrari wouldn't 'scam' you by overcharging because I'm not talking from a financial point of view, I'm talking from a technical one.
Yes, but you cannot explain why you match serial numbers of new, unofficial and also official screens, cameras, touchIDs, faceIDs in the name of “durability”
because they want you to buy a new phone since it's more money to them then it is repairing a phone. Also they don't want anyone else repairing it because again, money all to them.
The Head Engineer seems like he got A LOT of coaching in preparation for that question. Louis Rossman's head might have legit exploded if he were in the room.
the same happens with cars, there are car engines that for a mechanic are a pain in the back to repair, but for the engineers was the optimum way to design the engine and engineering wise is a good engine, but a pain to repair
His comments completely ignore the encoding internal parts so they can't be replaced without being reprogrammed by apple. That aspect of the war on "the right to repair" has nothing to do with durability.
@@esteban4983 it really does depend what it is. like in a larger form factor like the imacs they used to make it made no sense why they made it so hard to repair. and also there is like thinkpads just existing that can have their cpu changed and have been going for 20+ years. I think that its just kinda a correlation and no the cause of irreparable. apple def goes out of their way to make it hard to repair
It feels like for each person who drops their phone in a lake, there are probably 100 people with 💩 batteries. I’d take an IP65 phone with simple battery replacement over an IP68 phone with a PITA battery replacement every time.
That was a BS response. It gave as an example how before, when batteries were easily replaceable, phones would get water damage. Bruh, the iPhone never has had any replaceable battery and it got water damaged until 2015, and it was just as bad to replace batteries as it is now. His argument doesn't hold up in the sense that there are things that wear down by getting used, no matter how much "durable" you make it, so sacrificing repairability is always a bad deal. You will never have a device that's so reliable it will never need any service. That's a falacy. And it's been more than proven that Apple doesn't hinder repairability because of quality standards or W/E bullshit, but because they want to keep control of their own devices. If your lid angle sensor on your macbook breaks or becomes uncalibrated, they don't want you to go to a technician that knows how to repair it. They want you to go to their apple service and spend as much $$$ as they want, or maybe buy a brand new device for a little bit more (now go ahead and tell me how that is safe for the environment). Or push you to get their Apple care plus service.
@bluenexus1212 yes, but it's false that you can't have repairability with durability. They could make things more repairable without compromising durability at all, yet they choose not.
You're right, that's why 'Parts Pairing' made iPhones so durable, they're trying their darnedest to push toward unrepairability end of this imaginary "slider of repairability/durability".
It's not about black market though. They can do parts pairing of their own devices in a manner that tracks stolen phones. They already can and do do that. They just need to not break your existing parts when an unknown part is added.
@@thekwoka4707ok so what would happen, someone steals your iphone, sells your parts, and innocent old woman gets their iphone repaired with the stolen parts and now her phone can be tracked… dont get the benefit … As an apple user i line how it‘s currently is, I never get my phone broken and people have no reason to steal it 👏🏼 best scenario
i did love the repairability vs durability argument like, it completely missed the point of what make iphones borderline unrepairable... PARTS PAIRING. Yeah water resistant makes phones harder to disasemble and change parts but what makes apple the bigger ass on industry is that now that you changed the screen the camera wont work the way it did before.
100%. This is somewhere I have to strongly disagree with Marques, and to the extent that I think he got a bit starry-eyed visiting Apple HQ. It's very rare from him, but I think he sipped the kool-aid on this one.
The thing is to me, the majority of repairs on phones are either done by people at home or repair people like you find in shopping centres/malls that are most likely not using genuine parts. If you take your iPhone to an Apple store for repair, then there is a damn good chance it will work like new. No different to buying a car. No car manufacture will give you any sort of warranty on a new car using inferior parts done by yourself at home. What I got out of this, is that Apple's plan is to make their products as durable as possible so no repairs are required. Breaking the glass is exempt, as glass is glass & glass can break.
@@purplehazeffc using cars for an exemple is so wrong many manufacturing brand are extremely reliable and easy to repair (honda, toyota) and youd be suprised how many parts are shared in the industry with huge industry like bose that does basically half of the electronics in the car world..
I think you were sold a bill of goods with the repair ability and durability. The fact that Apple had proprietary screws so you couldn’t even open the device didn’t make it more durable, it made it impossible to repair
Main issue with Apple is not the repairability itself (many 3rd party repairs can do a better repair job than Apple themselves). The biggest issue is Apple not willing to let their parts makers sell the genuine parts to 3rd party repairers, and Apple unwillingness to provide schematics.
pure advertisement, this is just industry standard compliance testing. cheap chinese smartphones go through the same procedures. any product with an ip rating does.
Of course he doesn't, he wouldn't be talking to the CEO if he had. It's a privileged position he's got himself into, one 99% of techtubers would kill for.
Durability and reparability are NOT opposed. They are orthogonal. The inifinitely durable product may never NEED repair but that doesn't mean it has to be difficult to repair.
@@youssefmohammed5456 here is an example for you. Pentalobe screw was only intended to make iphone repairs more difficult. It provides zero improvement to durability.
For products generally, sure. For phones, no. They are conditionally and variably opposed. Water resistance and repairability are definitely opposed (though not completely; low manufacturing tolerance, for example, improves water resistance without hurting repairability). There is no such thing as a perfectly repairable, perfectly durable phone. Those are engineering objectives that do in fact conflict. It's also a mistake to say that phones are hard to repair only because of durability trade-offs. Pair pairing doesn't improve durability, for example.
Apple propaganda. I am an unauthorized Apple Technician and this is totally fake. They never acknowledge when they design bad issues, like Flexgate / DustGate or LCD Connector who have backlight pin (52V when max brightness) just near a data line for GPU... ThumbsDown on this video.
@@Smoshylife yeah i watched his videos. But i am part of the repair dot wiki channel. I have a workshop in France where i repair electronics (pcs and macs). So i am facing a lot with design flaws of MacBooks, some can be fixables like DeMux GPU 2011, flexgate… some are only 10% chances of success like the 52V backlight pin near gpu dataline
Oh god can you read your own comment? "Unauthorized" - What? you gonna do put a small microphone into my phone when you replace a battery? "I don't do that you have to trust me?" LMFAO
@@fujster Of course, I can make a freaking battery with a microphone + sim in it and it will always use the iphone battery to power it all the time and background service could send me tho unconsent audio recording with the sim. These type of microprocessor now extremely small to put anywhere and functional correctly. Early iphone version you can hajck the front facing camera connector to make the camera turn on and work independently
Louis Rossmann summed it up perfectly.
This is not journalism. This is Apple’s marketing and PR.
I dont feel like rossman's video was targeted at specifically MKBHD's video; it just uses it as a way to reach a larger audience. Most of his points are directly against APPLE, NOT mkbhd. While mkbhd never flat out attacks apple, he has a job. he cant just go out and criticize people who are giving him really good content. idk man, i feel like you are a bit too brainwashed by rossman and just hear a guy saying another guy is wrong, and just go with that.
@@LightModeContradiction Rossman directly mentioned this video, it's even linked in the description. And yes, you don't need to attack, but you have a lot of decent questions available, it's not like MKBHD won't be able to buy new phones to review them or anything. He is not a journalist, but even LTT has asked better questions than these.
It's a commercial
@@LightModeContradiction he literally names him directly in the video and also links this video specifically in the description.
@@LightModeContradiction Yes, he can criticize Apple or any other company. He doesn’t do that because not doing it makes him money. That’s not a job of a journalist. That’s a job of a marketing or PR person.
Journalism is saying what someone else does not want to be said. Everything else is public relations.
Influencers don’t want to be called journalists because it takes the responsibility of them. Gives them justification for doing what companies pay them to do (directly or indirectly). It makes them money, it gives companies a easy way to control the message and their image but it’s just PR. It’s not professional journalism or even good critique.
With big power comes big responsibility… as cheese as it sounds - it’s true. He is one of the biggest tech UA-camrs in the world. An expert in his field. A millionaire. He knows what he’s doing and he knows that Apple is using him to greenwash their image.
He can afford to be better.
We should expect or even demand him to.
So this is where they decide how to fuck over independent repair shops, neat
Exactly. 👍
🫡
💩🍏💩
This is such a horrible propaganda piece. You're a shameful puppet Marques.
Apple became the IBM they sought to destroy. you either die a hero or live long enough to become a villain
I'm actually really glad to see that there's a lot of comments calling this propaganda from before Louis made a video
Absolutely, had to double check, but ye, ppl arent acutaly blind, your commennt created a smile on my face in this horrible place, THANK YOU
no one in that space had any idea this stinker of a video existed because we dont give a shit about what apple makes
I have AdBlock installed but he's still showing up. Any suggestions?
Revanced and brave browser
Fantastic comment
@@Fabi42069 revan ched or brave browser
Just dont watch 🤷
Nah that's unhinged ☠️
Regarding your statement that durability and reliability are on a sliding scale… Programming the phone to not work with replacement parts does not make it more reliable just more profitable.
100%
Real
Framework laptops completely disprove that statement too.
@@techtonik25 they were probably targeting framework with that sliding statement, and while that might be true, their practices of serializing the shit out of everything has nothing to do with durability vs reparability.
They do that for your safety apparently 😂
repair shops aren't asking you to make your phones 'more repairable', they just want the spare parts and no bs serialized parts
and no dumb program to lock phone ul after it detect the phone being opened.
And you know what that would be? Green and better for the environment! 🤯
@@khulhucthulhu9952 you misunderstood, Apple's aim is to go GREEN as in MONEY, not environment 😂
Or at least make it possible for an average user to pair the serialized parts (thinking about it makes me realize again how unnecessary serialized parts are)
MKBHD: Supports right to repair
Also MKBHD:
Apple: good boy, Tim would like to see you now
@@4amSunset He will be rewarded with another namedrop by Daddy Tim.
So you joined the Apple PR team
"Joined"? This channel has been an Apple ad from the start. That's the only reason I'm subscribed, to be notified when Apple launches a new product.
Dude he said at first place that he was "invited" to Apple testing lab
he even said in video that he don't know why Apple do dropping test that failed everytime
and what did you think he will ask Apple about repair?
Dude if you’re not going to be allowed to ask these people the hard questions then just don’t bother. This guy is obviously going to defend the company’s choices. Please talk to people actually having to fight tooth and nail to repair the devices too so we get a better picture of the issue.
Well, third party repair centers cannot afford to pay him for a video, so he politely refuses (:certain finger emoji:)
@@Jagi125 Get Louis Rossman over and have them debunk apples propaganda live on-the-fly. This man is already at it for over a decade, and we still see this shit pop up. Massive Marques L
that would get him blacklisted by apple. cant have that can we?
@@sageslarres Marques needs to understand that his channel was built because of us, not Apple. He also needs to remember that in the beginning he didn't care for Apple products, because he knew back then they were lackluster in comparison to Android's offerings. Yet look at him now, blinded by the Apple clout and exclusivity. Shill for trivial reasons.
@@MikeCobweb That would be incorrect as well LR didn't prepare and was extremely tired while doing his crap video and was wrong consistently. LR calling it propaganda is insane and he needs to check himself, MKBHD is a TECH channel he was doing his job by relaying information directly from a company, it almost sounds like he didn't watch the whole video coherently nor does he have any background on MKBHD and how they are very transparent about how they feel about apples bullshit just watch the podcast waveform you will be educated swiftly. MKBHD has been very clear about how they feels about apple and their choices which is why MKBHD goes and meets them in person to get an up front answer if you don't like the answer given that is not MKBHDs fault. Nor is it anything close to "propaganda" Maybe do better research and you wont look like a total moron to anyone with half a brain cell in the tech industry. I cant expect a youtuber as large as MKBHD to destroy a relationship with Apple because of peoples personal fragile feelings.
Integrity - -
Propaganda + +
Gaslighting + +
Steve@GamersNexus +++++++++++++
@rossmanngroup
I feel like I'm living in bizarroworld. What dimension are these people living in? Repairability and durability on a sliding scale? wtf lol 🤣
😢
+
- Integrity
- Reputation
- Public Trust
+ Apple Trust
Only if you have absolutely no capacity to understand nuance and accept complexity. I'll break it down for you:
8:19 [repairability and durability] _"are not always mutually exclusive"_
9:54 _"there is a threshold"_ [after which making it more durable does not compensate the lower repairability]
10:08 _"they probably should't be making it from glass"_ [because that proves they aren't about durability]
*apple trust fund
+++ apple pay check
+ Apple thrust (up our asses)
The only thing that matters the most is the last one. They give you money.
Its wild Marques can be so critical of these tech start ups, but then cradles the balls and strokes the shaft for Apple.
Because he get paid.
Because he feels Apple's product is more robust and or of higher/satisfactory quality. That should be obvious.
are you an apple user? sound like some jealous android user.
With such DELICATE care
I agree he should just not upload the interview parts. Most likely this is all agreed upon before he gets to see some of the testings and talk to some people. obviously he has to hand in the questions he asks first then they edit them and then he comes in. otherwise they straight up deny access.
but i agree. for someone who does reviews for a living its a bit of a dangerous path to walk down because he is loosing his base by not being transparent about this.
Well, MKBHD lived long enough to see himself become a villain. I guess popularity does get into people's heads.
Really sad and disappointing
@@dolurosu Not to mention a Tesla mouthpiece...
Brother I can literally tell the stupid from the smart based on when their comment was made, older comments are from smarter people who managed to figure out what was bad about the video and explain it without any help while you on the otherhand needed to wait a week and a half to wait for Louis Rossman to explain it to you.
@@benny7682 Are you OK? Your comment is rude and dumb. Dumb because you don't know how UA-cam's algorithm works. Plenty of people didn't even know about this video until Rossman's
@@MaxOakland At best then lets assume that that someone found Louis' video then went onto MKBHDS, It still doesn't change the fact that it's stupid to adopt the position of Louis then to act like it is your own, as if it was your own thought then you go on to scream at Marques for basically doing the same thing the commenter did by being a talking-head for someone else.
Mkbhd out here gargling apple's balls
apple's apples
An apple a day, keeps Rossman away.
I just watched that video, came back to this video and found your comment xD
True 😂
Lmao he's bobbing for apples
getting absolutely destroyed by louis rossmann, and rightfully so
Really? MKBHD still makes millions of views while Louis doesn't
@@GabrielAlva I'm guessing @Kelsko meant destroyed on an intellectual level, not in terms of views...
@@GabrielAlvahas nothing to do with viewership. Louis has made actual changes to the law in some US states in terms of right to repair. Marques just rides apple every video
@@angelaizen2231what do you mean, “rides Apple every video?”
He’s rated Samsung as his phone of the year, for most years. He has said he prefers the android OS. So, you are already wrong.
He’s rated Apple products as poor. For example, He criticized iPads for weak upgrades.
It sounds like you just want him to be a mindless Apple hater.
He may be wrong in this video and is right to be called out for a poor video. But that doesn’t mean he deserves being called something he isn’t. It’s a typical unhinged social media response to label people.
@@makasete30 I agree "rides Apple every video" is too much of a generalization, but I recommend watching Louis Rossman's latest video to see what he has to say about this one in particular.
9:41 apple = preventing access to components for repair = number of repairs dropping = successful robust design lmao
Funny how this timestamp is the exact hour and minute Steve Jobs announced the first iPhone and is also in every single Apple commercial
Funny how iPhones on average last longer than any other phone. The most commonly used phone on the planet right now is the iPhone 11.
@@seesidesummerhouse6112no, dude. It's totally not, lmao
@@justaguy3518 Thanks, but I’ve already looked at the data to come to my conclusion, as compelling as your ‘trust me bro’ argument is…
@@seesidesummerhouse6112 iphone 11 represents 4.47% of the total. That means *95.53% IS NOT* iphone 11.
Bootlicking never looked so shameless
BUT LOOK AT THE SHINY COLOR CORRECTED, PERFECTLY PRODUCED VIDEO SHOT IN 8K /s😂
You're right of course.
I don't get it guy already makes bank... but then again how did he get here in the first place? Still if people still follow the guy afterwards... that's on them.
@@ninosbrothermichael1842 you're the joke here lol
@@ffobliv there’s no joke. If you don’t like Apple’s business practices buy Android. It’s that simple. I promise no one is forcing you to buy an Apple product. You will actually be fine if you don’t.
Who gives a shit he’s probably getting paid by apple
I don't buy his argument about the balance of durability vs repairability.
-Adding gaskets improves durability without conpromising repairability.
-Locking parts to serialized pairing has no effect on durability, but destroys repairability.
tell me about it! what a bizarre way of justifying non sense by Apple!
Absolutely! What a miserable attempt to justify their greed
It also seems doable to make the phone waterproof separately from the battery, since that's the one part that will always need replacement.
the unspoken, untouchable third goal is sleek design. You need something to press on the gasket, and that something will not look like a smooth featureless box.
@@LeaPhant Not while keeping the phones as small as they are today though. If the battery is to be in an entirely separate compartment to the rest of the phone's hardware, that would probably make it a decent bit thicker.
I am here before Marques Brownlee removes the comments or just straight up removes the comment section all together
I'm here too lol.
lol
Same 🫣
Eh, he's probably going to leave the comments on tbh. I'm sure Marquees is aware he fudged here.
I absolutely agree there was LOTS of room for push back here, and Louis Rossman was right to call this out.
However I think a lot of people are acting in hysteria against Marquees. Searching "right to repair" on UA-camr literally brings up a video of Marquees criticizing Apple on this exact topic.
😂👀👀 I'm here
Durability and Repairability are X and Y. Toyotas are both durable and repearable. BMW are neither durable nor repairable. Guess who is apple in this analogy.
Yes, but BMW will gladly charge you a monthly subscription to be able to use your seat heater or auto light beams. All comfort in your already purchased car for a little bit extra monthly.
I hope these companies go bankrupt soon.
Apple is the BMW
Yes but let's talk about Toyota. recently 2018+ they've gone down hill. they do not make half the quality they once did and the Rav 4? it's hardly a tin can with wheels, road noise is atrocious. cargo space- none. rear seating comfort? 0. blind spots? f** huge. interior radio technology? ain't shit, rip out and use aftermarket. gas tank size? like 2 gallons? (5hr trip is 1.5 tanks). reliability mechanically? I'd say 150k miles and ditch it. you know what the worst thing is? arguably and disappointingly still the most reliable brand on the market.
Apple is Rolls Royce not BMW
@@beinjar5634 yeeah
"So yeah, that checks out."
You've been in tech for how long and didn't even think to ask Captain Planet over there why they refuse to sell individual components and instead try to force you to buy an assembly of parts nearly the cost of the entire device that can only be installed by them? REALLY???
EXACTLY. How are people not seeing this as BS. Making a device where you can't replace a small piece when only that is broken is a perfect example of not caring about waste or the environment
@@MaxOakland I guess people are seeing this as bs. I didn't expect to see a comment section so good. Full of complaints. I wonder if his employees will erase them all...
@@leoceoliveira yeah i think he will disable comments at some point
Exactly!!!
I doubt the testing lab has anything to do with monetization and availability of replacement parts, but MKBHD doesn't even mention this in the comfort of his studio
"dURAbiLity iS diReCtly At odDs witH rEPaiRaBilitY"
- MKBHD (circa before getting nuked by Louis Rossman)
what a bs statement. It genuinely breaks my heart that MKBHD, of all people, said that!!
How did he not think twice before saying this???
No joke this is the most bs quote I heard in a while
Absolutely 😂 They think we are fools to believe their BS
Bro did dirty on Rabbit AI because they paid him less. 😭
@@Mehedi0fficial maybe if you watched the review you realize it's just a bad product
That Rossmann's critique was brutal.
not at all... it was spot on.... I love mkbhd but this time he messed up
It was deserved. MKBHD is a shill leading 19 MILLION people to financial waste 💀
well deserved
He killed them in the first 4 minutes, but he kept going and going.
Proves Louis does not understand what _mutually exclusive_ and _threshold_ mean. And neither do his viewers, it seems.
I saw MKBHD headed in this direction years ago and stopped keeping up with him. THE TRUTH ALWAYS COMES OUT MKBHD IS A SHILL
Agree.
Uncovering Every Lie in MKBHD's Softball Interview - by Louis Rossmann
Strongly recommend to watch this video
Softball Interview? I think you are confused. This is just propaganda.
@@G3rain1 that's the video name i guess that's why he worded it that way but 100% agree with you
100%
Yes please watch this video. Also, please embrace opensource and ditch these companies as much as possible.
so cringe
Do you remember the Samsung Galaxy S5 that was IP67 rated with a removable battery? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
I have samsung xcover 5. It also has a headphone jack. When I had XCover 4, it once fell into toilet without me noticing, were there for about an hour and when I found it it still worked after I left it open to dry out for about a day or two. It only stopped working because the changing connector got damaged years later.
How dare you bring up the last great phone Samsung made!
I'm writing this on a Tab Active2 from 2017. The latest Tab Active5 from this year still has removable battery, headphone jack and the IP68 rating.
It is a little chunky and heavier but it can be repaired.
I had an S5 until about 2 months ago. They shut the network down so I had to get a new one :(
My phone, the Galaxy XCover 6 Pro from 2022 has a replacable battery and IP68 :)
-"The harder it is for you to repair, the better the durability"
Hard coded serial screen number preventing the change +5 armor
yep, just like the pentalobe screw
Exactly, this really should have been called out. Apple repairability isn't shit because the phones are waterproof, it's because they won't let you buy spare parts, lock things with serial numbers to spam you with errors if you use parts from another phone, make fake trademark claims against anyone trying to make compatible 3rd party parts etc.
exactly
yeah disappointed this wasn't addressed, obviously some factors in making a phone durable impact it's repairability but Apple makes conscious decisions to limit repairs even when it would have no impact on robustness
Yep - came here to say this.
Apple: "Repairability comes at the cost of durability."
IBM ThinkPad: Exists
my thoughts exactly
even under Lenovo thinkpads were both durable and repairable
they have no idea what they are talking about
From what I've heard and experienced as a tech intern for my school county, they have to be repairable to appeal to schools, which I noticed they were when I had to take them apart. It also explains why my high school went from having ipads, to Surfaces, to Dell/Thinkpad laptops. The ipads were also a lot more difficult to reimage, which also was a bit of a pain. And by pain I mean it took 5-7 more steps than it took to reimage ANYTHING else. Really makes you wonder...
Every Nokia phone ever:
I can't believe that people actually still take you seriously
you mean cattle?
I cant believe you have no life and came from another channel and didn't bother watching the video...
I don't anymore! This is just an Apple commercial
@not4273 Say BAAAAAAHHHHH.
@@not4273 The criticism is valid and you have no way of knowing if he watched the video or not
finally someone calls you out on your bullshit
I dont feel like rossman's video was targeted at specifically MKBHD's video; it just uses it as a way to reach a larger audience. Most of his points are directly against APPLE, NOT mkbhd. While mkbhd never flat out attacks apple, he has a job. he cant just go out and criticize people who are giving him really good content. idk man, i feel like you are a bit too brainwashed by rossman and just hear a guy saying another guy is wrong, and just go with that.
@@LightModeContradiction He was able to reach an audience before he started to deceive it.
"he cant just go out and criticize people who are giving him really good content." He is reviewing products! You would expect him to be fair!
Why would anyone watch a product review if they know its a commercial? Advertising should be marked as such!
@@LightModeContradiction the video addresses apple's lies, and calls out MKBHD for giving them a platform openly without any due scrutiny that you would expect from a channel this big. He has a pretty huge responsibility to ensure that his content meets at least the very fucking basic standards of objectivity in a video like this. he does not do that. this video is propaganda, plain and simple.
@@LightModeContradiction the link to this video is literally in Rossmann's video description
Okay you said finally so where was your comment before Louis made his video? Surely you'd be able and smart enough to make a complaint without needing someone else by your side
"Repairability"? We're talking about Apple right? The most anti-repair company with the most unrepairable devices in the world?
Theyre great devices tho
@@adamcheesepleasegreat devices indeed after your motherboard gets fried because some bs design choice. Apple rarely covers that under warranty
This tbh ☝🏻
@@0815dude Devices so great they get physically damaged by a grain of dust.
Samsung is just as bad unfortunately. And his shilling for these companies isn't really helping the situation either.
At 7:15 Marques says it FEELS like there's a sliding scale between durability and repairability. Increasing one, decreases the other.... Well, that FEELS like a false dichotomy. I think a far more accurate view, is that Apple's bottom line grows more from marketing phones as submersible, than it does as repairable. Marques can do better.
By this logic, buying an old Toyota Land Cruiser would be totally insane. This is probably the easiest car to repair so it must be breaking all the time!
Fact check, it's not. Easy to repair, durable and almost never breaks down.
Repairability is not at odds with durability. Ask the old Maytag repairman. Profits and planed obsolescense are at odds with repairability. And so is Apple.
Exactly that statement makes zero sense. You know what makes something durable? Being able to replace the one broken part easily
If Apple made cars, if you got a puncture, you'd have to replace it.
- remove the glued fender
- use a special key to unscrew the rim
- for this you would have to replace half of the suspension
- and finally, after collecting everything, it would turn out that not everything works as it should, because the replaced parts are not from this specific car, but were taken from another one intended for parts
Also, you have to swap the entire transmission and axle because apple won't just sell the tire on its own
Also when you replace the brake pads the car will "complain" that it cannot verify if it's an "original" part, even if that new brake pad came from ANOTHER Apple Car!
so a german car 😅
@@oh_rhythm Fictional German cars that exist in your head yes 😅
Does he know he's an ad?
No no he doesn't
Of course, he got money for it. You don't sell the remains of your integrity for skittles.
@@EvanOfTheDarkness Exactly
His wallet knows
South Park reference? 🧐
You just couldn't resist the paycheck, huh?
SHAME ON YOU. Samsung had Waterproof phones ip68 where you could take the back of and userreplace the battery. It is possible.
THIS
😢
And the justification of removal of headphone jack
Had one until 2 months ago when they shut the network it used down :( I miss my S5 lol
LG also did it too!
Impartiality died with this video. You no longer represent the interests of the average consumer. You represent the interests of a corporation
he never did. he has always ben an apple fanboy without criteria
@@kerolokerokerolonah he's not really a shill. He criticizes them quite a bit. Only issue I feel is that he's not quite educating himself as well as he should and shouldn't be so afraid to lose early access to stuff. People will watch him regardless as always
@@NoCluYTno he doesnt, the only tech he criticizes a lot are android and windows.
@winzyl9546 He is very eloquent with his review and try to balance it out not being too harsh on the product he review. Apple products are very expensive as they are mostly stable and produce almost a perfectly stable product.
@aymanjc4146 😂😂😂😂 please tell me that's satire...
I have worked on apple hardware since 1999. And now its effectively not repairable, not expandable and poorly designed.
It was always poorly designed, but it's pretty.
This was cringe!
For anyone wondering, 1 month after release, we are at 130k likes and 65k dislikes on this video, people are not happy and for good reasons.
Thank you
"Durability and reparability are on a sliding scale"
Framework laptops:
My thoughts exactly when I heard that argument.
Apple's statements as always are marketuing Bs
I mean they kind of are, but not to the extent that Apple tries to make it seem like. They've shown to do stuff that at the end of the day will make them more money no matter how much it fucks over the consumer
Or just look at old ThinkPads
First of all, framework laptops are my dream laptops. However, their built quality is definitely subpar compered to apple, mostly because of the modular design.
But they are more than repairable, as i said above, they are modular. The complete opposite end of the scale, while still retaining passable build quality. Apple could do even better if ghey wanted to.
8:00 So you are saying that the infamous ThinkPad laptops are not repairable? I don't sit well with that notation TBH
Yeaaaa mkb is paid by Apple at this point. Won’t even give actual criticisms about their products
So, whole video is an ad?
yup!
Bro all his videos are. You guys are surprised by that?
yep
Always has been 🔫
*whole channel
Finally a video showing MKBHD groveling to his masters.
The whole repairability vs. durability thing is fine and dandy, but it’s kind of a cop-out argument by Apple. Nobody in the repair community is complaining about waterproofing seals making it harder to replace the battery. They’re complaining about Apple actively punishing repair in software using e.g., serialized parts etc.
The real scale for apple is repairability vs profitability.
@@ytskt YES. I don't get why people are trying their best to kinda put in a moderate manner what this company does to it's costumers. Even people that seems to know about their anti-repairability practices do this shit. It's about profit, and that's it!
I get kinda triggered when I hear about serialized parts. I remember my iPhone 8’s taptic vibration motor need replaced one time, so I ordered a new one and did just that only to find out that it didn’t work because the vibration motor is serialized to each iPhone, starting with iPhone 8 (iPhone 7 did not require serialization and uses the same taptic engine, so I thought I was in the clear)
I will say that I am at least responsible for having a moderator on ifixit point out that you’d need a separate, expensive machine to copy over the old vibration motor’s information to the new one, and only repair shops really have access to that sort of thing. I would have rather them put that at the top of the page in case a DIYer like me will know right off the bat whether something like that is even worth doing, but it is what it is.
Louis Rossmann' take on this video is worth a watch.
The marketing of "durability and repairability" being on opposite sliders is objectively wrong. You just gotta look at the automotive industry where some of the most durable cars are also the most repairable. Even within the same tech-space, software locking components which Apple does is another great example of this being not true.
Nono coding the screen and speaker to the iphone so you cant repair it is super important to durability!!!
(Joking ofcourse)
Camera companies (for example) have been making durable, weather sealed and reliable high tech products for decades. These things are designed to last for years and THEY'RE REPAIRABLE at an affordable price. If Apple honestly wanted to make well designed, durable and reliable products they just need to look to Canon, Nikon, Leica, Pentax, Fujifilm, Mamiya, Hasselblad etc.for inspiration and more importantly, the know how.
They'd only have to look at decade old smartphones with user replaceable batteries and IP68 certification.
You've been called out sir. You big Apple shill.
Someone has been practicing gargling.
This reference will be lost on those that have not watched the Louis Rossmann response.
😂
Louis tha GOAT 😂
@@WhipItSBreezy damn he is
I just watched that video, came back to this video and found your comment xD
The Intel iMac Pro running Windows at 5:00 in the Apple HQ lmao
😂 good eye
just about to comment that
Could be RDP.
I didn't notice it at all 😆
This is quite honestly a little cringe, they're using a competing OS because some software doesn't run on their own. I don't know whether to call this laziness or hypocrisy.
Now we have seen them all. Heard about Microsoft engineers running macs with mac os and now we see the other way around, which is nice.
4:59 apple using windows on their macs is hilarious🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
👌
Remember that next time you see one of those "I'm a mac, and i am pc" commercial bullshit.
Gotta love macOS Boot Camp.
@@__jojo__ You do realize that literally any computer can have multiple OSs installed onto it? Giving it a snappy marketing name like "Boot Camp" doesn't mean it's an "Apple feature". And I say this as someone who used to use Boot Camp on my MBP.
@@poika22 I had to use that on college, since pretty much any engineering software is on PC(windows), and the world is run on linux. But its not the same thing, its buggy and laggy, on ARM macs is probably even worse than x86 macs.
MKBHD just casually visiting everything at this point.
area 51 when
@@alphaa2010 This is so cringey and unlikely to happen vs you putting in leg work and having people see and appreciate what you accomplished.
@@BeefIngotits a bot just dont interact with them
He’s a major tech media news and reviews. Of course he’s going to be taken seriously by any company, including Apple.
@@GenAvAviation Yea I figured that's a possibility so good point really.
Let's hope Louis Rossmann watches this video.
oh, he did... XD
Louis dropped the response to apple's "Longevity paper"
he grilling him
He did. I wouldn't know this video here without him... 😂
:D
Fortunately we have Louis Rossmann to bring a little perspective...
Unfortunately*
You people should use your own critical thinking rather than rely on others.
@@WallyWachell I'd recommend doing that yourself
@@WallyWachellwatch his video he knows what shit his talking about
@@WallyWachell tell me what is wrong with rely in others with more knowledge than you? It would be wrong if that person is lying and Rossman is not lying
@@WallyWachell I think I'm actually going to vomit.
I mean, repairability LITERALLY improves durability by making it possible to replace old or broken parts...
Shame on you MKBHD, Apple has got you by the balls I guess.
No, that would imply they have some way to exert pressure. They don't. He just sold out on his own.
@@DavorZdralo I tend to agree, at this point he probably has "fuck you money" so he can pretty much afford to tell any company to take a hike but instead we get this.. if you wanna test a man's integrity money and power does the trick.
Disappointed that you are carrying water for apple. Thumbs down
Unsubscribe from him, he has been manipulating us for a long time now.
I unsubscribed, mkbhd is just the same as unbox therapy
@@Kevin-mx4vmLTT chads keep winning
@@Ebalosus LTT that screwed over Billet Labs? The LTT that said he's not going to waste a few hundred dollars to create a proper test, on camera? Nah, I'll stick with GamerNexus for now.
Thumbs up for a thumbs down :D
MKBHD is officially an Apple propaganda channel at this point. Utterly shameful. I hope this video makes it clear for the masses.
It's wild how he pretends to be fair when it comes to clearly scam products but then shills for apple.
amen
What do you mean? I'm not an active viewer here, but to my impression he has always been that. Same with most other phone reviewers, except that Marques makes his reviews "cinematic".
And yet he hardly ever rates iPhone as his phone of the year. It’s usually Samsung. He has rated a number of Apple products as poor.
He may be wrong in this video and Louis is right, but it’s just his opinion. Y’all too hard on him, and not looking at the whole context.
Criticism is fine. Hate and calling him something he isn’t is not.
He always was, good that people finaly noticed, he is just full of it.
The whole shill section being marked as sponsored by sponsorblock is hilarious 💀💀💀
ikr
I am sad that its not the case anymore but we had our laughs 😂
@@jishan6992 it still is blocked wdym
Still there. I'mma upvote that segment
It's true though.
I call bullshit on reliability being at odds with repairability
Exactly... let's just discount the fact that Toyota's are super reliable AND very easy to repair... at least their older models were.
Guys! Please stop calling him out as a propagandist.
I can't like all the comments
was doing the same
There's just too many.... 😂
Same
We're not here to bash, but to poke for a response and do the right thing. If he took the time to respond to the ridiculous Fisker controversy (which didn't even merit one!), i'd hope he has better judgement to think hard of his response to Rossman.
Just stop it already
"Repairability is at odds with durability"
Nokia 3310: pathetic
Can you watch youtube on a nokia 3310?
its not easy to repair Nokia 3310 in 2024
@@seunfunmiewedairo4161Way to be a smartass. "Im too smart for my own good."
@@seunfunmiewedairo4161 Nokia is releasing a new one 🤞
Literally every Volvo before the year 2000
Privacy, it’s apple.
Protection, it’s apple.
Everything nice, a coma, and then put “it’s apple,” and then advertising decades long.
That’s how apple makes billions of dollars.
I CANNOT WAIT to hear Rossmann’s response to the repairability versus durability.
yeah. I had to laugh about the bullshit he said at around 7:15
The fact that the back of the iphone is made of glass and not just some sort of hard plastic, which could be designed into some sort of latch to open for easy access, is already a dead giveaway that this is a false dilemma.
@@eif6051 who's Rossmann?
The man who will make the politicians let you treat your electronics like your car. @@ahmedelashry8577
@@ahmedelashry8577 Louis Rossmann is a right to repair advocate and unauthorized apple device repair technician with a youtube channel with >2 million subs. He often calls companies out on their bs
"my headphone jack it's not working"
sure, this will $350 we will replace the whole motherboard and you will lose all your data!
Imagine being sad enough to wait for Louis to make a response so you knew the script
@@benny7682 nuh uh
@@benny7682maybe, but it doesn't make it any less true
IDK, i've never dropped a phone in water but 100% of my phones end up needing a new battery.
So wise !
"How do you like your battery ?
Glued ? Serialized ?
Both maybe ?
Come buy me an iPhone or two."
Apple Inc.
You're using it wrong. It's best to keep it charged at 75% at all times, and never turn it on for the life of the product.
This!
What if I told you that over a decade ago, you could buy phones where you could do both? And those phones even had headphone jacks?
@@macvos you’re such a liar. Go to bed Jim Carrey you need to rest.
Look, son : this is MKBHD. He perfectly shows how people talk when they are sold to a scam company. Never be like him, my son.
How does using proprietary screws and software locking replacement parts make the phone more durable?
My question exactly. They don't have to use proprietary screws and they don't have to software lock individual parts to it's phone. And the phone will still be durable and repairable🤔🤨😒
I'm pretty sure 'proprietary' screws are just to dissuade the casual idiot tinkering with crap from disassembling their phone at home and making a hash of it and bringing it back to Apple to complain that their phone doesn't work. But it's trivial to buy a pentalobe screwdriver now. If Apple were seriously concerned with people opening their phones, they'd be coming up with wild and wacky new designs every year.
Only mild argument with the software locking. I think it makes sense to do it to make sure you're not getting parts that will carry malware or whatever (it takes almost no space to do that, which is why you're asked if you trust the cable being plugged into your phone), but they don't provide any good way to get replacement parts at a reasonable price, or re-use old parts from verified old Apple devices, which is BS. They should make that whole pipeline easier.
A proprietary physical asset, such as a screw or an adhesive, can be designed to reduce weight, provide strength in specific areas of the unit (the screw), and create a specific balance. A very low-profile head that can withstand a certain torque rating and has a specific break force at the shank or threading, may require a certain type of drive (flat/Philips, etc.) designed to withstand both the drive force during assembly and and the combination of forces during use, such as strike and vibration, and withstand other factors such as temperature ratings, galvanization resistance, electrical resistance, and so forth. So, in some applications, a custom design can lead to certain goals, and at Apple and other tech companies, a few goals can be better met with custom designs, such as material savings and weight savings.
@@lloydmwinga5628 exactly. the durability vs repairability being "on a sliding scale" is completely wrong. i own a 10 year old Lenovo laptop that still runs like day 1 after being dropped multiple times and i can take it all apart in 15 minutes.
Marques is way off point here.
If you can easily get a screw driver for it, how 'proprietary' is it? Also, when dealing with super small parts, the old Phillips head is not the best solution as it strips pretty easily. Also, as stated by someone else, a lot of easy to clear hurtles are to keep simpletons from breaking their phones - like some dope that wants to take a panel off to see what is inside without realizing they're just destroyed the water seal. Having a tiny hurtle to clear, keeps out the vast majority of people who have no idea what they're doing.
Why is he being a spineless yes-man here?
$$$$
I mean idk you're the one that made a comment only exactly after Rossman told you how to complain about it like a lawyer telling his client how to act in the court room.
Tbf MKBHD isn't as knowledgeable about Apple Repairs like Rossman. I think the biggest critique of Apple from Rossman is their new repairing policy in which 3rd party repair stores have to report to apple and only buy their products - I don't think MKBHD is aware of this. Also Rossman complained about various technical issues like the CPU pin being next to a high-voltage pin, crappy hinges on the macbook, etc which Apple doesn't care about (or are deliberately ignoring for planned obsolescence). Again, MKBHD probably isn't aware of these issues. Of course this video is a PR piece for Apple but it's not like MKBHD is deliberately trying to shut down right to repair.
7:06 Phone that doesn't have its parts coded so it can't be changed isnt less durale. Phone that doesn't use 15 different screw head types isn't less durable. Durability doesn't excuse Apples anti-repair practices.
Say it louder so the people in the back can hear you!
you're absolutely right. i really like mkbhd so i wanna give him the benefit of the doubt, and think that he probably just wants to stay on apple's invite list, and would have otherwise asked way smarter questions.
Can we stop pretending that people who repair phones only have one screwdriver? That's more a packaging thing than a durability thing, anyway.
I’d imagine each screw has its use otherwise why isn’t there just one for everything. Also Apple could just save money if there wasn’t a reason to use different ones
An argument can be made here: Is it possible that Apple is deliberately making it hard to repair their phone so that people go to Apple to repair them, because as we just saw; It's such a "technical'" aspect of building a phone from scratch in such a way so as to make it durable, that to allow lower skilled, off-the-street repairmen to replace internal parts may lower the overall experience and potentially lifespan of the device?
Think of it in this context - If you're wealthy, and you buy a Ferrari. When it needs to be serviced or repaired, wouldn't you rather send it into the official Ferrari garage rather than some random mom-and-pop shop? The mechanics at Ferrari have been specifically trained and have years of experience in Ferrari motors and gear boxes, so they know what they're doing.
I'm also not saying that Ferrari wouldn't 'scam' you by overcharging because I'm not talking from a financial point of view, I'm talking from a technical one.
Mkbhd: Am i a sellout?
Mkbhd's wallet: No you're not. Shut up and sell more products.
HIGHLY recommend watching the Rossmann takedown of the nonsense at the end, absolutely beautiful.
Rossman Repair Group joined the chat.
Yes, but you cannot explain why you match serial numbers of new, unofficial and also official screens, cameras, touchIDs, faceIDs in the name of “durability”
because they want you to buy a new phone since it's more money to them then it is repairing a phone. Also they don't want anyone else repairing it because again, money all to them.
@simply_the_dev7588 yes, I know, and it’s disgusting that apple does this in the name of durability
@@realmemebox They do this in the name of profit*.
MKBHD's youtube days will also come close to an end like how it's started for Mrbeast, it's just a matter of time!
how much did apple pay you to make this bag a lies
Hm maybe 5 dollars? At most 10. He is an apple fanboy. He will pay money to shill them if they ask.
The Head Engineer seems like he got A LOT of coaching in preparation for that question. Louis Rossman's head might have legit exploded if he were in the room.
yeah right? the scale that he made up is bs, it feels weird to me that Marques would believe durability and repairability are polar opposites
the same happens with cars, there are car engines that for a mechanic are a pain in the back to repair, but for the engineers was the optimum way to design the engine and engineering wise is a good engine, but a pain to repair
His comments completely ignore the encoding internal parts so they can't be replaced without being reprogrammed by apple. That aspect of the war on "the right to repair" has nothing to do with durability.
@@esteban4983 it really does depend what it is. like in a larger form factor like the imacs they used to make it made no sense why they made it so hard to repair. and also there is like thinkpads just existing that can have their cpu changed and have been going for 20+ years. I think that its just kinda a correlation and no the cause of irreparable. apple def goes out of their way to make it hard to repair
It feels like for each person who drops their phone in a lake, there are probably 100 people with 💩 batteries. I’d take an IP65 phone with simple battery replacement over an IP68 phone with a PITA battery replacement every time.
I like how Apple drops the "safe for the environment" bomb whenever somebody raises an issue
Apple...You already saving environment by buying Apple products 😉
That was a BS response. It gave as an example how before, when batteries were easily replaceable, phones would get water damage. Bruh, the iPhone never has had any replaceable battery and it got water damaged until 2015, and it was just as bad to replace batteries as it is now.
His argument doesn't hold up in the sense that there are things that wear down by getting used, no matter how much "durable" you make it, so sacrificing repairability is always a bad deal. You will never have a device that's so reliable it will never need any service. That's a falacy.
And it's been more than proven that Apple doesn't hinder repairability because of quality standards or W/E bullshit, but because they want to keep control of their own devices. If your lid angle sensor on your macbook breaks or becomes uncalibrated, they don't want you to go to a technician that knows how to repair it. They want you to go to their apple service and spend as much $$$ as they want, or maybe buy a brand new device for a little bit more (now go ahead and tell me how that is safe for the environment). Or push you to get their Apple care plus service.
i mean its true tho, the less shit to throw away, the better it is for the environment.
@bluenexus1212 yes, but it's false that you can't have repairability with durability. They could make things more repairable without compromising durability at all, yet they choose not.
The more holes and ways to get into a device the more space for shit to go wrong and water and bs to get into
ah, so mkbhd finally became an apple mouth piece. Effects of inflation I guess..
You're right, that's why 'Parts Pairing' made iPhones so durable, they're trying their darnedest to push toward unrepairability end of this imaginary "slider of repairability/durability".
Apple OBVIOUSLY wants to stop black market for parts, hence “parts pairing”.
It's not about black market though. They can do parts pairing of their own devices in a manner that tracks stolen phones. They already can and do do that.
They just need to not break your existing parts when an unknown part is added.
@@alexeysamokhin9629*wants to stop people getting their phones and macbooks repaired at a fraction of a cost to the $1000 quoted by the Apple Store.
@@alexeysamokhin9629 that's like the government saying they are putting cameras on your house for "National security issues"🤡🤡
@@thekwoka4707ok so what would happen, someone steals your iphone, sells your parts, and innocent old woman gets their iphone repaired with the stolen parts and now her phone can be tracked… dont get the benefit …
As an apple user i line how it‘s currently is, I never get my phone broken and people have no reason to steal it 👏🏼 best scenario
i did love the repairability vs durability argument like, it completely missed the point of what make iphones borderline unrepairable... PARTS PAIRING. Yeah water resistant makes phones harder to disasemble and change parts but what makes apple the bigger ass on industry is that now that you changed the screen the camera wont work the way it did before.
100%. This is somewhere I have to strongly disagree with Marques, and to the extent that I think he got a bit starry-eyed visiting Apple HQ. It's very rare from him, but I think he sipped the kool-aid on this one.
Exactly, parts pairing as well as apple's predatory practices of only allowing some places access to parts
The thing is to me, the majority of repairs on phones are either done by people at home or repair people like you find in shopping centres/malls that are most likely not using genuine parts. If you take your iPhone to an Apple store for repair, then there is a damn good chance it will work like new. No different to buying a car. No car manufacture will give you any sort of warranty on a new car using inferior parts done by yourself at home.
What I got out of this, is that Apple's plan is to make their products as durable as possible so no repairs are required. Breaking the glass is exempt, as glass is glass & glass can break.
You wrong... GALAXY S5 was the really the peak of Samsung Design.. it got IP68 but also completely easily repairable..
@@purplehazeffc using cars for an exemple is so wrong many manufacturing brand are extremely reliable and easy to repair (honda, toyota) and youd be suprised how many parts are shared in the industry with huge industry like bose that does basically half of the electronics in the car world..
Sponsorblocking the segment where the apple rep talks about durability... You guys are madlads 😂
you might aswell make it the whole video XD
Sponsorblock ppl always doing some wild stuff with the highlights and segments
@@ish_ I remember someone tagged Cardi B's part in "Girls Like You" as non-music ahahahahaha
lol the entire video is (accurately) labelled as an ad
@@gladbr7629 now it's the entire video
I kinda always thought he’s been soft on apple but hard on other manufacturers. Well this is pretty telling
I think you were sold a bill of goods with the repair ability and durability. The fact that Apple had proprietary screws so you couldn’t even open the device didn’t make it more durable, it made it impossible to repair
Mkbhd is an Apple fanboy. He'll take anything they say to him.
Main issue with Apple is not the repairability itself (many 3rd party repairs can do a better repair job than Apple themselves). The biggest issue is Apple not willing to let their parts makers sell the genuine parts to 3rd party repairers, and Apple unwillingness to provide schematics.
You know pentalobe screwdrivers and bits are cheap as hell right
@@ea_pius you must be new here lmao. Knock it off 😂
@@krissavagelive nah, I've been here for around 10 years.
couldn't hear Marques the whole video. Sounded like he was gargling on something
Yeah that was actually a design choice, its supposed to be reminiscent of how MKBHD gargled tim tim cook.
@@HP-ws2vx he affectionately calls it little timmy
Tim's iBalls
pure advertisement, this is just industry standard compliance testing. cheap chinese smartphones go through the same procedures. any product with an ip rating does.
Actually this is the best in the industry
@@noticing33and you know this, because Apple or some Apple-paid influencer told you so?
The only sliding scale here is integrity vs. getting exclusive access. We'll never see Rosman getting invited by apple
Damn Louis Rossman just roasted your ass. Better make a follow up addressing his points.
MKBHD doesn't have guts to counter question Apple. He can only take down smaller companies and get ego boost.
Of course he doesn't, he wouldn't be talking to the CEO if he had. It's a privileged position he's got himself into, one 99% of techtubers would kill for.
To be fair Rabbit R1 actually is a scam.
What else would you call a barely functioning ai device that costs a fortune
@@asdadqwrqrs talking about iphone 16 or rabbit r1?
Durability and reparability are NOT opposed. They are orthogonal. The inifinitely durable product may never NEED repair but that doesn't mean it has to be difficult to repair.
Thank you! Underrated comment!
give example?
@@youssefmohammed5456 Any Toyota 🙂
@@youssefmohammed5456 here is an example for you. Pentalobe screw was only intended to make iphone repairs more difficult. It provides zero improvement to durability.
For products generally, sure. For phones, no. They are conditionally and variably opposed. Water resistance and repairability are definitely opposed (though not completely; low manufacturing tolerance, for example, improves water resistance without hurting repairability).
There is no such thing as a perfectly repairable, perfectly durable phone. Those are engineering objectives that do in fact conflict.
It's also a mistake to say that phones are hard to repair only because of durability trade-offs. Pair pairing doesn't improve durability, for example.
Shout out to the hero who marked the entire "interview" as a "sponsored segment" in SponsorBlock 😂👏😂👏😂👏
Apple propaganda.
I am an unauthorized Apple Technician and this is totally fake.
They never acknowledge when they design bad issues, like Flexgate / DustGate or LCD Connector who have backlight pin (52V when max brightness) just near a data line for GPU...
ThumbsDown on this video.
Did you steal this from Louis
@@Smoshylife yeah i watched his videos.
But i am part of the repair dot wiki channel. I have a workshop in France where i repair electronics (pcs and macs).
So i am facing a lot with design flaws of MacBooks, some can be fixables like DeMux GPU 2011, flexgate… some are only 10% chances of success like the 52V backlight pin near gpu dataline
Oh god can you read your own comment?
"Unauthorized" - What? you gonna do put a small microphone into my phone when you replace a battery?
"I don't do that you have to trust me?" LMFAO
@vandeljasonstrypper6734 Nobody understands this comment. Wtf are you on about. Trying to say apple is the only trusted repair place???? LMAOOOOOOOOO
@@fujster Of course, I can make a freaking battery with a microphone + sim in it and it will always use the iphone battery to power it all the time and background service could send me tho unconsent audio recording with the sim. These type of microprocessor now extremely small to put anywhere and functional correctly. Early iphone version you can hajck the front facing camera connector to make the camera turn on and work independently
From Escabar phone to this
You do live long enough to see yourself become a villain
Tell me you're sold without telling me you're sold!
I love the fact that sponsorblock labeled the interview as ad 😂
Now there's absolutely no question Markass was glazing and softballing Apple for his entire career.
UA-camr of the century to corporate shill speed run.
The comments did not disappoint.
Came from the Rossmann video just to see the comments
Cool marketing video bro.
This is the video where MKBHD became Mark Ass Brown Lee.. Bravo,Tim!
He became MKBPHD or Markass Brownshit propaganda in HD.