Congrats on a nice and very informative video of Porvoo. I sure hope those Runeberg Torten were dipped in Arrack/Punsch. I'm a Finn living in Sweden and could just about kill for a couple of those...
Swedish say "hej hej". Finns say "hei hei" and it's same as bye bye. If you say once "hei" it's basically same as "hi". Finns use "moi" or "moikka" more when meeting someone etc. Both mean "hi" or "hello" but "moikka" is more playful and women use it more than men. You can also say "terve" it literally translates = "healthy" but is used as a greeting alot. It also ofc means healthy in Finnish. We got tons of words that have multible meanings that have nothing to do with each others :D
@@KeepGoingPlaces Well, the Swedish hej, and Finnish hei sound really the same - just like the English 'Hey'. Meaning hi & bye both: typical doubled for bye, but there's no strict rule. Mainly said slower when meeting, and faster when departing (as if in a hurry :) ) At least in Finland hej and hei sound the same, in Sweden their hej sounds different, the ending being really consonantal. I would say moikka or heippa for moi and hei are more like used between family, friends and acquaintances, than having a gender divide - they're for 'homies', though I've met people who readily say them to strangers - gives an open, friendly touch. Maybe they were business people… :) They always look foe sales strategies. I think there comes the gender divide in using the friendlier greetings because ladies in general are more easygoing, ready to make new acquaintances. Men likely prefer to have separately the few really close friends, and keep a more distant relationship with acquaintances, though being happy to meet new people. One version of moi is more a masculine one though, namely moro. That likely comes from the R sound seen as aggressive, and so not that lady-like - at least in earlier times. Yet there are some cities and areas of Finland where it's locally common for both men and women alike. So it's not easy to put any clear gender differences in the greetings :) Some other expressions, like what's wonderful or impressive, have more clear gender typical expressions.
Oh, and Porvoo is said closer to 'Porvaw' - the hint is in the spelling: the o is the same sound, no matter where it appers in Finnish - just short (1) or long (2). Finnish spelling is one of the most systematc in the world: every letter corresponds the same sound always. With a few exceptions, most importantly the ng is like in sing & singer in English (only double long), never like in finger. The double ling doesn't involve only the vowels, but the consonants too. Notice how you say the 2 L letters together in 'travel life' - both L sounds getting their time and space. Finnish & Swedish do this inside the word as well - as it's spelled :) The Swedish word Borgå is the original name of the city, it's said like 'Borgaw'. The small circle over the a means you say it like the o in York. You can think it corresponds to what happened in English for the au & aw, plus the a in small etc. Why Finnish has a P there in Porvoo is because Finnish has a softer sound there, which English speakers may hear as B. We Finns here the English P sound as P+h - h like in hey. The P & B sounds haven't been actually really separate in Finnish until after WWII - and still some people may mix them, older especially, and kids struggle to hear a difference there. You might hear panaani (banana, officially banaani), or bub (bab in Finnish spelling) for pub.
The pastry is torta in Swedish, torttu in Finnish. The word is related to the English tart, but it means a different kind of pastry - the one you showed and ate :) What type of pastry you'd call it, a cake?
Hei, Hej swede with a finnish dad here so a swinn or a finde or something like it...jokes aside, the remark about the spelling of "hei", "hej" or even "hey" is absolutely redundant. The difference in pronunciation is so insignificant that it comes down to having a swedish, finnish or english accent. My dad and my finnish side of the family came from Oulu and the surrounding villages and countryside. He and his sister that lived in Oulu her whole life always greeted each other with a phrase like "moro" or something like it. They are both dead now but they said that this was old Oulu "slang" that maybe is unknown to modern day citizens, I don't really know because sadly enough, my dad never really taught us any real finnish. He was severely traumatized by his experiences during the war, all his family except one sister, died during the war. He never got any psychological help or relief and lived all his life with untreated ptsd. He just wanted us (his kids) to have a normal life and "fit in", not stick out by talking some other language than swedish. Sad but true. So although I visited Oulu and Ii and Yli-Ii and Haukipudas every summer and LOVED IT there, I hardly speak any finnish at all. I have been told that I have an excellent pronunciation, but that is probably just because I am musical and have a "language ear". Anyways, just rambling now. It would be cool if someone from Suomi, preferably from Oulu and thereabout could answer me about the possible phrase "moro"?
Thanks for your nice presentation. I know a little bit about the country as my son is studying masters program in Tampare University. Again I would like to thank you for your nice presentation and photos.
Nice to watch my hometown. Thank you guys for the good job. btw i own that same army bicycle and it's the best here in old town because these pumpy stoned roads.
Curious minds want to know....did you lock those bikes up or is it that type of community where you don't have to? Enjoy the bloops at the end and the unscripted pieces a lot. Makes for a spunkier vid (but what do I know, I can hardly figure out how to use my point and shoot). LOL
Good question, Tommye! We did lock the bikes up at the request of our airbnb host. I think the Finnish army bike is a bit of a target. The bloops are our favs every time!
Hi, sorry for he slow response! It's Torppa Stengård 1700-luvulta. You can see it on Airbnb here: www.airbnb.com/rooms/12266408?source_impression_id=p3_1609436299_T%2B6VRkKK%2FrO4pN2y&guests=1&adults=1
@@KeepGoingPlaces finnish is funny in the way that letters are pronounced like they are written. when you see "ooo" it's pronouned like you would pronounce "oooh my god". when you see "aa" it's pronounced like "aaa-mee-rica" i always fail to understand why you yanks want to put different sounds to the letters they represent.
i mean. i'm an anglofiliac and i just LOVE your language. bu STILL to me it seems like when a letter is shown to you and is asked; how is this letter pronounced in a word (without a specivic context), you just implode.
Good for travel but more live music, please not that generic lift music in the background not from Finland. Try to think of my ears not just views and tastes when you travel. Polite Anglo Irish Composer comment of otherwise really interesting video. Hope you begin to help local musicians and composers on your travels. Best Wishes great video.
If you want to talk about a location, please find out how to pronounce the name at least somewhat accurately. "Looks like", should not be satisfactory, right. That should go for other names as well.
@@samil5601 Thats not the point dude, Im aware english is known for havin letters in words that are pronounced differnt or not at all....but, finding/pronouncing letters that aren't there in the first place is overdoing it. Im mean it takes fucking 10 sec to google how to pronounce "insert word"....
It takes even less time to just chill out and give a visitor a little grace but hey, you do you. 🤷🏻♀️ (We always Google the proper pronunciation and try our best. We even had our host help us but we ~don’t speak Finnish~. )
@@KeepGoingPlaces Also hei hei is good bye, and just a simple hei is hello. Moi, moikka and terve are also valid greetings and are less formal. :D Hei can be used to greet but also it works the same way as the Engllish Hey.
Wait what? Could you please explain what you mean, and a source? I'm from porvoo and there are no gangs or dangerous places. Finland along with all the other nordic countries are legitematly some of the safest places in the world.
Always nice too see my hometown in these kind of videos 😊😊
Congrats on a nice and very informative video of Porvoo. I sure hope those Runeberg Torten were dipped in Arrack/Punsch. I'm a Finn living in Sweden and could just about kill for a couple of those...
Thank you! The Runeberg torte was good and we hope to visit Porvoo again soon.
Swedish say "hej hej". Finns say "hei hei" and it's same as bye bye. If you say once "hei" it's basically same as "hi". Finns use "moi" or "moikka" more when meeting someone etc. Both mean "hi" or "hello" but "moikka" is more playful and women use it more than men. You can also say "terve" it literally translates = "healthy" but is used as a greeting alot. It also ofc means healthy in Finnish. We got tons of words that have multible meanings that have nothing to do with each others :D
Thanks so much for the info. Very helpful and super interesting!
@@KeepGoingPlaces Well, the Swedish hej, and Finnish hei sound really the same - just like the English 'Hey'. Meaning hi & bye both: typical doubled for bye, but there's no strict rule. Mainly said slower when meeting, and faster when departing (as if in a hurry :) ) At least in Finland hej and hei sound the same, in Sweden their hej sounds different, the ending being really consonantal.
I would say moikka or heippa for moi and hei are more like used between family, friends and acquaintances, than having a gender divide - they're for 'homies', though I've met people who readily say them to strangers - gives an open, friendly touch. Maybe they were business people… :) They always look foe sales strategies. I think there comes the gender divide in using the friendlier greetings because ladies in general are more easygoing, ready to make new acquaintances. Men likely prefer to have separately the few really close friends, and keep a more distant relationship with acquaintances, though being happy to meet new people.
One version of moi is more a masculine one though, namely moro. That likely comes from the R sound seen as aggressive, and so not that lady-like - at least in earlier times. Yet there are some cities and areas of Finland where it's locally common for both men and women alike. So it's not easy to put any clear gender differences in the greetings :) Some other expressions, like what's wonderful or impressive, have more clear gender typical expressions.
Oh, and Porvoo is said closer to 'Porvaw' - the hint is in the spelling: the o is the same sound, no matter where it appers in Finnish - just short (1) or long (2). Finnish spelling is one of the most systematc in the world: every letter corresponds the same sound always. With a few exceptions, most importantly the ng is like in sing & singer in English (only double long), never like in finger. The double ling doesn't involve only the vowels, but the consonants too. Notice how you say the 2 L letters together in 'travel life' - both L sounds getting their time and space. Finnish & Swedish do this inside the word as well - as it's spelled :)
The Swedish word Borgå is the original name of the city, it's said like 'Borgaw'. The small circle over the a means you say it like the o in York. You can think it corresponds to what happened in English for the au & aw, plus the a in small etc.
Why Finnish has a P there in Porvoo is because Finnish has a softer sound there, which English speakers may hear as B. We Finns here the English P sound as P+h - h like in hey. The P & B sounds haven't been actually really separate in Finnish until after WWII - and still some people may mix them, older especially, and kids struggle to hear a difference there. You might hear panaani (banana, officially banaani), or bub (bab in Finnish spelling) for pub.
The pastry is torta in Swedish, torttu in Finnish. The word is related to the English tart, but it means a different kind of pastry - the one you showed and ate :) What type of pastry you'd call it, a cake?
Hei, Hej swede with a finnish dad here so a swinn or a finde or something like it...jokes aside, the remark about the spelling of "hei", "hej" or even "hey" is absolutely redundant. The difference in pronunciation is so insignificant that it comes down to having a swedish, finnish or english accent. My dad and my finnish side of the family came from Oulu and the surrounding villages and countryside. He and his sister that lived in Oulu her whole life always greeted each other with a phrase like "moro" or something like it. They are both dead now but they said that this was old Oulu "slang" that maybe is unknown to modern day citizens, I don't really know because sadly enough, my dad never really taught us any real finnish. He was severely traumatized by his experiences during the war, all his family except one sister, died during the war. He never got any psychological help or relief and lived all his life with untreated ptsd. He just wanted us (his kids) to have a normal life and "fit in", not stick out by talking some other language than swedish. Sad but true. So although I visited Oulu and Ii and Yli-Ii and Haukipudas every summer and LOVED IT there, I hardly speak any finnish at all. I have been told that I have an excellent pronunciation, but that is probably just because I am musical and have a "language ear". Anyways, just rambling now. It would be cool if someone from Suomi, preferably from Oulu and thereabout could answer me about the possible phrase "moro"?
Finland is very beautiful, am currently witnessing it .
Indeed! We loved our time in Finland and can’t wait to visit again one day.
Such a nice place! Will be visiting there next month, thanks for the vid!
Awesome, have a great trip! ☺️ Thanks for watching.
Thanks for your nice presentation. I know a little bit about the country as my son is studying masters program in Tampare University. Again I would like to thank you for your nice presentation and photos.
Nice to watch my hometown. Thank you guys for the good job. btw i own that same army bicycle and it's the best here in old town because these pumpy stoned roads.
Nice video, I will be visiting Finland after 10 years
Looks nice!
Great tour of Finland
Thank you so much! Glad you enjoyed it.
Love it ❤❤ will be there soon. Thanks for sharing ❤
Awesome! Have a great trip! Thanks so much for watching. ☺️
It's a long O at the end. As in "oh, no"...
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Yei my hometown 😊 (Porvoo - Borgå)
What a lovely hometown; we love Porvoo!
Sama täällä perkele
You are so lucky,its a beatiful little town
Curious minds want to know....did you lock those bikes up or is it that type of community where you don't have to? Enjoy the bloops at the end and the unscripted pieces a lot. Makes for a spunkier vid (but what do I know, I can hardly figure out how to use my point and shoot). LOL
Good question, Tommye! We did lock the bikes up at the request of our airbnb host. I think the Finnish army bike is a bit of a target. The bloops are our favs every time!
So intersted in Finland. The more I read up on it the more I feel like packing my bags 😊 Any SAFAS in Finland. Please share your experience
We loved getting out into the smaller town of Porvoo! You’ll have a great time in Finland - we definitely recommend it!
Thank You So Much. We are planning towards it... Thank you for sharing your experience with us.
if you want to say "Porvoo" in Swedish, it's "Borgå".
Thanks For Sharing This Video
Can I Visit.?
What was the name of the airbnb please?
Hi, sorry for he slow response! It's Torppa Stengård 1700-luvulta. You can see it on Airbnb here: www.airbnb.com/rooms/12266408?source_impression_id=p3_1609436299_T%2B6VRkKK%2FrO4pN2y&guests=1&adults=1
Povoo, not porvuuuuu .............
Nyt meni päin persettä
@@user-pv7vc9kp9k Ettäs semmonen juttu ..............
Moiiii Ralf ❤️❤️
@@WildwoodVagabond Wonderful to hear You, tell me more, please : Ralf .............
Porvoo doesn't rime with POO! Espoo does.
i live in porvoo it is good on the outside bad on the inside
What you mean bad inside 👀
its not "porwyu". it's the sound you make when you saun "ooooh my god" . the same "oo" sound. finnish is funny like that.
Oh okay, thanks! ☺️
@@KeepGoingPlaces finnish is funny in the way that letters are pronounced like they are written. when you see "ooo" it's pronouned like you would pronounce "oooh my god". when you see "aa" it's pronounced like "aaa-mee-rica"
i always fail to understand why you yanks want to put different sounds to the letters they represent.
i mean. i'm an anglofiliac and i just LOVE your language. bu STILL to me it seems like when a letter is shown to you and is asked; how is this letter pronounced in a word (without a specivic context), you just implode.
Good for travel but more live music, please not that generic lift music in the background not from Finland. Try to think of my ears not just views and tastes when you travel. Polite Anglo Irish Composer comment of otherwise really interesting video. Hope you begin to help local musicians and composers on your travels. Best Wishes great video.
falafel is mid east food ....... egypt seria israel.
Thanks for the info - it's delicious regardless!
You're not pronouncing it correctly it's "Por-voh"
Also "Hei hei" doesn't mean hello it means bye bye. Hello would be Hei/Moi/Heippa/Moikka etc..
Ahhh, got it
If you want to talk about a location, please find out how to pronounce the name at least somewhat accurately. "Looks like", should not be satisfactory, right. That should go for other names as well.
Dont never go porvoo Huhtinen or kevätkumpu is crazy place full bangers and drug guns
Its not that bad peipon koulu is worse
Yeah... I live in Kevätkumpu and it's full of fucking drunks...
@@fecking_weirdo same
Those are not aa bad as Gammelbacka
Pretty much everything in Porvoo is like that except for Old Town, tbh all the rural cities in Finland are like that
For F sake theres no U in Porvoo, its PorvOO not PorvUU
Yrah this annoyed me too
Chill out! It's not as if the Finns are known for perfect pronunciation of foreign words either.
@@samil5601 Thats not the point dude, Im aware english is known for havin letters in words that are pronounced differnt or not at all....but, finding/pronouncing letters that aren't there in the first place is overdoing it. Im mean it takes fucking 10 sec to google how to pronounce "insert word"....
It takes even less time to just chill out and give a visitor a little grace but hey, you do you. 🤷🏻♀️ (We always Google the proper pronunciation and try our best. We even had our host help us but we ~don’t speak Finnish~. )
@@KeepGoingPlaces
It wouldn't be a real video on Finland without a grumpy Finn commenting somewhere.
Omg you fucked up already in the first 10 seconds with your language :D Hei hei is Finnish, not swedish
OMG 🤷
@@KeepGoingPlaces Also hei hei is good bye, and just a simple hei is hello. Moi, moikka and terve are also valid greetings and are less formal. :D Hei can be used to greet but also it works the same way as the Engllish Hey.
Im from in porvoo and there is like many dangerous place = Hood
Didn't expect that, we felt safe the whole time exploring and riding our bicycles.
Wait what? Could you please explain what you mean, and a source?
I'm from porvoo and there are no gangs or dangerous places.
Finland along with all the other nordic countries are legitematly some of the safest places in the world.
@@williamsmeds1368 True. I went there today and i was alone but it was pretty safe.
I want come there
@@williamsmeds1368 u ever been to kevätkumpu or gammelbacka?
if Someone wanna have triptour in porvoo , u can contact me :) im happy to show my hometown :).