Will is not only concerned about the future of the VP as a candidate, but he's also concerned about the future of his Party... and the White House is (has to be) concerned about the "here and now." They're worried about this year's agenda. Will is thinking about the next 20 years. Also, the conversation between Jed and Abbey that ends with "No syringe in the night stand" is one of my favorites in the series. And I also love the conversation with Liz where she says, "I don't want it." And Jed asks why she would want to help Doug do it, and she says, "Because he wants it, and he's my husband, and I love him."
The lady who looks like Hope Davis is actually another actress called Nina Siemaszko. But it is remarkable how similar they look now that I checked on google. Understandable mistake. Love this series.
Season 5 is the step-father that I actually like. I feel it just gets the most hate because people were mad that their father (Sorkin) left and it doesn't matter how many great moments and episodes this season has, they refuse to give it credit. I can think of more great memorable moments from Season 5 than I can 6 or 7.
Sorkin could make small scale political issues dramatic and important. After he left they delved more into bigger scale problems that were already inherently dramatic. It was still a good show but didn't feel as unique.
"Because he's my husband, and he asked me." You know, call this a hot take if you want to, but that response from Liz ALWAYS just bugged the hell out of me...the way she just threw it down on the floor and left it at that. Liz knows full well what this life takes from you (especially with two parents who are compulsive overachievers...even Abbey said as much..."We don't do that"), which is why she ran as far away from it as she possibly could. But now, here's Doug trying to suck her back in and get her to commit the rest of her life to it, for nothing more than a vanity project. And THIS is her reasoning? For crying out loud, Bartlet is asking her a serious question in that scene, and she's just standing there, trying to look defiant while giving him a five-year-old's answer, as if that could POSSIBLY be enough. She's not being honest with Doug. She's not being honest with herself. I mean, play the tape to the end. Does she really not see how that is going to lead to nothing but bigger problems later on? At least, that's just MY thinking on it.
@@TuxedAaron Yeah, that "because I love him" is "teenager with a crush" levels of justification for her support. It's not what a mature adult would do, at least not without some _serious_ talk that would have prepared Doug for getting shot down and recognizing it very quickly.
There are so many things I pick up on when I watch this show (and others) more times, and your reactions will also give me new perspectives, and I love that. I didn't like a couple movies the first time I saw them, but gave them a second chance and now one has become a new favorite.
This might actually be my second favorite Christmas episode because of the family storyline-first being Noel. And Lily Tomlin is on FIRE on this episode!
I would point out that season 1 of Sorkin started pretty bleak. Even the highs weren't really wins - like Bartlet telling off the religious right - it was at best a stalemate. And kudos to Deb Cahn for stepping in to write the Christmas episode, which had won a best supporting actor Emmy three of four years. There's a moment there - someone on the West Wing subreddit said that Aaron Sorkin's love language is coats (Charlie taking off his coat when Bartlet doesn't wear one in Two Cathedrals, Josh offering his coat to Donna in Inauguration Part 2 right after Charlie said he'd taken his off to show his love for Zoey) - where Cahn channels this and has Charlie offer his coat to Zoey.
re: A son in-law swinging for the fences during the second term of a Presidency. First of all its easier to ask forgiveness than permission. So It makes sense to me that so much groundwork was put in as proof of viability. Second, Remember two Bush sons were governors before running for presidency. To have this story follow the same track, I think would have been seen as taking a shot. The show suggests State House of Rep, but that doesn't fit the character as someone who doesn't want to earn it, and there are plenty of people like that in the world. I think it's fun to watch you two get as wrapped up as we did when first watching that these are just made up characters to provide us entertainment. While WW is a parable of sorts, for drama it should have the example of what we hope it could be but also show what we don't want it to be.
Alas, why did Octavius Caesar, a 19-year-old kid, have the clout to seriously challenge Marc Antony, a highly decorated general and statesman, for the leadership of Rome? It was nothing but the name.
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Will is not only concerned about the future of the VP as a candidate, but he's also concerned about the future of his Party... and the White House is (has to be) concerned about the "here and now." They're worried about this year's agenda. Will is thinking about the next 20 years. Also, the conversation between Jed and Abbey that ends with "No syringe in the night stand" is one of my favorites in the series. And I also love the conversation with Liz where she says, "I don't want it." And Jed asks why she would want to help Doug do it, and she says, "Because he wants it, and he's my husband, and I love him."
A stand out of season 5 to be sure. I love it when all the daughters are finally together.
The lady who looks like Hope Davis is actually another actress called Nina Siemaszko. But it is remarkable how similar they look now that I checked on google. Understandable mistake. Love this series.
Season 5 is the step-father that I actually like. I feel it just gets the most hate because people were mad that their father (Sorkin) left and it doesn't matter how many great moments and episodes this season has, they refuse to give it credit. I can think of more great memorable moments from Season 5 than I can 6 or 7.
Sorkin could make small scale political issues dramatic and important. After he left they delved more into bigger scale problems that were already inherently dramatic. It was still a good show but didn't feel as unique.
"Because he's my husband, and he asked me."
You know, call this a hot take if you want to, but that response from Liz ALWAYS just bugged the hell out of me...the way she just threw it down on the floor and left it at that. Liz knows full well what this life takes from you (especially with two parents who are compulsive overachievers...even Abbey said as much..."We don't do that"), which is why she ran as far away from it as she possibly could. But now, here's Doug trying to suck her back in and get her to commit the rest of her life to it, for nothing more than a vanity project. And THIS is her reasoning? For crying out loud, Bartlet is asking her a serious question in that scene, and she's just standing there, trying to look defiant while giving him a five-year-old's answer, as if that could POSSIBLY be enough. She's not being honest with Doug. She's not being honest with herself. I mean, play the tape to the end. Does she really not see how that is going to lead to nothing but bigger problems later on?
At least, that's just MY thinking on it.
I think she means I love him and I know this will end in misery. Trying to protect him.
@@fayesouthall6604 But is that worth it, when you know the end result is everyone going to be unhappy?
@@TuxedAaron Yeah, that "because I love him" is "teenager with a crush" levels of justification for her support. It's not what a mature adult would do, at least not without some _serious_ talk that would have prepared Doug for getting shot down and recognizing it very quickly.
There are so many things I pick up on when I watch this show (and others) more times, and your reactions will also give me new perspectives, and I love that. I didn't like a couple movies the first time I saw them, but gave them a second chance and now one has become a new favorite.
This channel is always much quieter than all other UA-cam channels.
This might actually be my second favorite Christmas episode because of the family storyline-first being Noel. And Lily Tomlin is on FIRE on this episode!
If you've never seen it, I'd suggest watching Mr. Smith Goes to Washington !
Love Dylan Baker !
I would point out that season 1 of Sorkin started pretty bleak. Even the highs weren't really wins - like Bartlet telling off the religious right - it was at best a stalemate. And kudos to Deb Cahn for stepping in to write the Christmas episode, which had won a best supporting actor Emmy three of four years. There's a moment there - someone on the West Wing subreddit said that Aaron Sorkin's love language is coats (Charlie taking off his coat when Bartlet doesn't wear one in Two Cathedrals, Josh offering his coat to Donna in Inauguration Part 2 right after Charlie said he'd taken his off to show his love for Zoey) - where Cahn channels this and has Charlie offer his coat to Zoey.
You guys didn't recognize Duck Phillips at 07:28 ? You're usually quite good about things like that.
Ok guys it’s pronounced Tub Er vile 👍🏻
I have been called this as well, but I have 3 daughters and never take offense to it.
re: A son in-law swinging for the fences during the second term of a Presidency.
First of all its easier to ask forgiveness than permission. So It makes sense to me that so much groundwork was put in as proof of viability.
Second, Remember two Bush sons were governors before running for presidency. To have this story follow the same track, I think would have been seen as taking a shot.
The show suggests State House of Rep, but that doesn't fit the character as someone who doesn't want to earn it, and there are plenty of people like that in the world.
I think it's fun to watch you two get as wrapped up as we did when first watching that these are just made up characters to provide us entertainment. While WW is a parable of sorts, for drama it should have the example of what we hope it could be but also show what we don't want it to be.
Great episode
Hope Davis is not in this series. She IS, however, in another great Sorkin show, The Newsroom.
Love The Newsroom.
Alas, why did Octavius Caesar, a 19-year-old kid, have the clout to seriously challenge Marc Antony, a highly decorated general and statesman, for the leadership of Rome? It was nothing but the name.
I mean, okay, yes, he *used* that advantage with tactical and strategic genius. The question is, why was it an advantage at all?
10:23 you know he's talking about Jean-Paul in the list of morons. Charlie would never