Remington EtronX: Electrically Primed Ammunition
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- Опубліковано 6 жов 2024
- One of the more mainstream attempts at incorporating electronic into firearms technology on the civilian market was the Remington EtronX, introduced in 2000. It consisted of a standard Remington 700 bolt action rifle, with the trigger and firing mechanisms replaced by electric versions. The firing pin itself became an insulated electrode, the trigger operated an electronic switch instead of a mechanical sear, and a 9V battery feeding a capacitor provided the energy to ignite the new type of primer - basically a resistor that would generate heat to ignite a charge of smokeless powder.
Remington made a valiant effort with the EtronX, but came up short. Unfortunately, the only practical advantage to the electronic workings was a reduction in lock time of the action (the delay from trigger press to cartridge ignition). They did in fact achieve a virtual elimination of lock time, but this was not a problem that needed to be addressed for the general sporting rifle market. Between questions about ammunition availability and a general market rejection of electronic component in firearms, the rifle failed to sell, and was dropped from Remington’s catalog in 2003.
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A rifle that gives error codes. Now I've seen it all.
@Richard Foran Yeah, but the space gun isn't computerized.
@Richard Foran True story: that was why I clicked the space gun video too. But I actually thought you meant the Gyrojet.
P0446 - needs a new canister.
They all do: “click” no “bang”
I can't really think how this thing is computerized. Should be pretty simple passive electronics.
At last a design that absolutely can't fire when "out of battery" :-)
actually it could due to capacitor
It Is Known: Depends on how long the battery has been removed.
Capacitor's leakage causes self discharge over time.........
andy pugh They took your joke too seriously...
I get it... Haha..
andy pugh shut up
Gun dealer: "I'll sell you an electronic rifle. No springs attached."
Star Trek Theory uh what
Haha I get it. Nice play on words.
Best gun pun I've ever read.
HAHAH
I feel compelled to hit you for making a pun that obnoxious
"Rifle no worky", that's a highly technical firearm term.
Nicholas Wilson Sorry you lost me.
Nicholas Wilson "no go bang" is another very technical term. lol
is that like "sizzle sizzle no woof"?
"do i smell bacon"
dndboy13 I think that means the dog ran off with the bacon......
Me: "Rifle shoot!"
Rifle: "I can't do that Dave."
"Fire! Fire! Fire! Fire! Fire!" - people stupid enough to play with a Konami Laser Scope
@@RokuroCarisu AVGN memories
@@RokuroCarisu To zero your Konami scope, adjust the turrets up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right, in quarter inch clicks.
but your name is paul
HAL9000
Deer: enters clearing for perfect shot.
Me: can't remember my rifle's password.
Operator 801 omg just like the James Bond “smart gun”.
Why didn't you just post the joke in English, not that stupid millennial language? Dumbass
@@rosone51178 just appreciate the time someone took to try to bring humor to life
@@jayvalle50 i appreciate your response so at least im not banned or my message was not deleted.
@@rosone51178 looking out bro
Can't shoot? Have you tried turning it off and on again?
Andrew Burke Hello welcome to Remington tech support, for my rifle is blinking press 1. For I lost my key press 2...
Andrew Burke for it is 30 below and my battery is frozen and my prize Alaskan moose is staring at me press 3.
Andrew Burke for my wife used the bat for our smoke alarm & mr. polar bear looks pissed 4. what is a 9 volt 5. For my rifle is 20 years old and the caps are leaking 6. and 7 for I am a fin competing in mad minute and it is still to slow 8...
MSRifleOS4.2 has downloaded an update and needs to restart. Please do not turn off your rifle whilst your updates are configured.
Your rifle has encountered a critical error and must reboot. Please wait...
Plug in a car battery and get ready to fire full auto. Trust me that's how electricity works
@Robert Brown Transformer to lower it from 12 to 9 volts. If you can't buy, you could make one with enough do-hickery
Trust your momma.
It’s a bolt action. There is no auto.
This is a so simple joke, and still exists people who didnt get it
You just have to use AC instead of DC.
Standard Tech Support Questions:
A) Is your rifle plugged in?
B) Is it turned on?
C)Is the light on or flashing?
D) When did you change the battery last?
E) Have you lost the key?
F) Are you using the correct ammo?
/sigh
Have you tried turning your rifle off and on again?
Have you turned your rifle off and on again?
"What version of the software is it running?"
@@FirstnameLastname-kn5sw do you still have a valid subscription?
@@vega1287 No, my rifle NFT got hacked the other day. What legal recourse do I have? My lawyer says no, but there's got to be something, right?
Seems like a very good solution for a lot of bullpup designs with horrible trigger mechanisms.
Almost Mediocre : That's probably the best use for this system.
Techno-bullpups when?
Statusinator : Soon. ish. Maybe.
But i can see the army wanting away to make the rifle have a wined up charging hand.
"Fry! You've got to cover us! You're the only one with a wound up gun!"
"smartphones that can do all sorts of amazing unbelievable things.."
Like watching a Forgotten Weapons video of Remington electronic ammunition?
then talking with other people on they're phone's about watching a forgotten weapons video of Remington electronic ammunition?
Like make a shell count the number of times it's spun and blow up inside a room
The night before going hunting, sitting around the campfire, " You've had enough Ian, give me your keys."
all 87 fit in the snuff can with room to spare
"honey, have you seen the keys to my rifle around here?"
"Have you look between the sofa cushions?"
We kid now, but before long that's exactly how the gun control lobby would like it.
@@patrickturner6878 You have a look on your house, your car, your phone... Whats the difference?
Patric Turner we already have locks on our guns here in Canada, you don’t go anywhere without a trigger lock on it
@Real DeShawn Stevens 1: Yes I do. 2: An emergency call cant be used against my self,
in contrast to an shot. 3: What if you lost your gun for exemple after an car accident or someone steals it from you? 4: Many gun safes I know have an second mechanism inside to look the wapons when the door is open so...
And what if a bunch of deers get their hooves on an EMP bomb, mmm? Then what?
Mathieu Gariépy "Open Season". on Humans!
At that point its still a fat piece of metal you can smack them in the face with.
Or you can take the batter/capacitor out and turn it into a stun gun like people do with disposable cameras.
emp can't destroy device from far distance,it would create and alternative voltage and malfunctioning the electronic components.Everything would be recovered when you invert the battery direction.And use and metal box will protect the electronic components,actually this electrical firing design doesn't need electronic components,just a high current battery and an switch.
Fix bayonets.
Finally some asking the real questions.
6:38 " This is lock picking lawyer "
Remington ETronX picked and gutted with this special tool me and BosnianBill made
I'm surprised I had to dig this deep in the comments to find this.
Rifle no worky
What is this? A crossover episode?
"hello, this is the lock picking lawyer and today I'm going to lock this Remington 700 EtronX with *Play-Doh and a Lego brick*"
I've never bought a gun in my life, I don't really go shooting, I literally never participate in auctions, but your videos are some of my favorites. You explain everything so well, with such great detail and such fascinating history that I think anyone who's not a complete automaton could really get into them. Beyond those facts, your passion for the weapons you showcase and history surrounding them really comes through so well in your videos, and there's something very contagious about fascination and expertise like yours. Ask anyone about their experiences with teachers, and they're likely going to say they were all average at best, except for "that one teacher" who really had an obvious and genuine interest in their subject, who could really get people engaged in the topic, and that's the kind of engaging fascination you bring to these videos, at least in my book. They're really top-notch videos here. A big "thanks!" from NY.
What are you gay or something?
You did a wonderful job of explaining why I watch these videos. I have almost as little experience with ownership and shooting of firearms as you do, but like you I find his videos endlessly fascinating and enjoyable.
* Goes hunting with son *
* walks 6 miles into woods *
* sets up stand *
“Alright son did you bring the rifle batteries?”
“ ............ ”
And that's why hammers belong on electronic semi-autos: you can use them as the manual access to a battery charger circuit.
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forgot batteries and the keys!
its the exact same as forgetting to bring your ammo
Bring battery but forget anmo!
Coming from a paintball background, there's nothing strange to me about this gun at all, except the firing rate! Most if not all modern high-end markers have firing mechanisms entirely controlled by electronics (electropneumatic valves or solenoids tripping sears, for example), with trigger feels ranging from microswitch mouseclicks to clickless optical or magnetic sensors. I'm sure the level of development safety rigor would be a bit different for real firearms, but the paintball industry had most of the same problems to solve and has been exploring this for quite a while at this point.
Years ago a friend of mine was showing me his paintball marker. It had a tiny little microswitch trigger; I rested my finger against it and it went off, barely missing his head. I was used to the Tippmann markers that have a heavier, much more substantial trigger. There’s a reason why heavier triggers are preferred for firearms.
@@singleproppilot I hear you, but I'd also contend that if the only thing standing between you and a firearm accident is the trigger weight, there's already been a chain of serious mistakes :)
I'd think the biggest advantage for an electronic trigger wouldn't be the weight but the _feel._ Since mechanical triggers have to control a bunch of spring force and can't be fully sealed against dust and water, design choices are more limited, manufacturing is more expensive, and there's more unavoidable friction, mush, and maintenance. With an electronic trigger, you could ditch adjustable stocks for movable grips, and have a crisper, smoother pull than anything currently on the market with far fewer parts to clean or lube ... and then swap it out in less than a minute for a trigger that's just as good but feels totally different and cost less than a box of decent ammo.
I wonder why such a technology gets introduced in a bolt action. It would make a lot more sense in an automatic weapon as a neat means of setting the rate of fire to whatever you wished and it could also finally produce a bullpub with a top notch trigger.
using a solenoid and a electronic primer system will allow for a very adjustable fire rate and a more consistent output.
I don't think its viable in any way, so it doesn't matter. Adjustable fire rate and improved bullpup triggers will never outweigh the obvious problems with the concept.
Probably just tinkering with the concept and being the first one. It's cool gun and I'd love to own it just for sake of owning it.
"Minigun"
Wobbegong, that last one is a good idea.
"A error has been detected and your rifle has been shut down to prevent damage. If this is the first time this happens please restart your rifle and try again. If this is a recurring error please contact your authorized Remington service technician at your earliest convenience..."
"Remington Service hotline, your current queue number is 11,119. Estimated wait time, 2,956 Hours. Please enjoy our new electronic hold music while you wait."
In a survival situation, literally a blue screen of "death".
Remington ETronX is installing an update. Please do not switch off your rifle during this process.
Pulls the trigger ... *windows xp shutdown sound*
@@cant5864 this had me laughing way harder than it should have.
“Sizzle sizzle woof”
-Gun Jesus
2 9v Batteries in series hooked directly to primer inside main charge. Advantage you not crawling around looking for shell casing deer never saw it coming? Ha Ha
Mouse click trigger?
sounds like using this is a point and click adventure.
SSinisterXCI clearly the killer training simulators are now even holding the cute and innocent gun industry back from making technological leaps. :P
I'd personally buy a text-based gun if it existed XD
*Shoot at someone in the street*
- Why the fuck nobody want to talk with me ?
It's funny, because I would EXPECT them to use a high durability industrial electronic switch for this, and the go to manufacturer for that is Omron, who is ALSO the most popular manufacturer of switches for mouse buttons. I have no doubt it feels and sounds like a mouse click, as that is the feel and sound of an omron switch.
oh good, that super loseable key is on the bottom of the gun...
I imagine the first thing many owners did was replace that with a switch.
Seems like a wafer lock easy to pick
leave it on then or glue it into the keyhole
Looks super breakoffable too
@@markp8295 no, I imagine they sold the rifle....
Year 2000: Remington EtronX
Year 2145: Quake Plasma Gun
This is extremely cool, even if it didn't work out. Mad respect for Remington :)
"Turn the rifle off" Wow that sounds weird.
Ivan M make the barrel droop
I loved how smart assed he got with the obvious " apocalypse " questions. I laughed out loud multiple times through this video. Great job
it is an asinine question, I mean what are the odds? that's the last thing i'd worry about i'd be more worried about the government finding away to turn it off when they felt like it!!!definitely don't trust it for that right off!!!
Even that isn't really a concern, since the rifle is basically a closed circuit with no provision for remote access. An EMP would do it, but hacking of any kind would be impossible.
webster7710 on this one future guns with tech. at the point it is? it wouldn't surprise me if they try to satellite TV to it!!they would definitely tie it into a smart phone somehow!!
Very true. If they were to re-release it today, there would almost definitely be an app to go along with it.
AJ SPIRES I mean. Let's be real here. If an EMP went off, a nuclear strike would likely coincide or come shortly after. Whether my gun works is less important than "Can I survive a few thousand rads in a second?"
Ian: "It's not that practical of a concern, but people want to be able to guarantee they will always be able to get ammunition for a rifle"
2020/2021 would like to have a word with you.
Exactly! Etronx please come back! I'm sorry about all the bad things I said about you 20 years ago. I take it back! But.... I can't buy primers anywhere!
"A few hundred rounds is a lifetime supply" hahahahaha I need to buy another pallet of 7.62
I think this is coming from Ian's own experience, where he has 1000 guns in 990 calibers.
The error codes, from the manual, for those curious.
• LED ON solid = Firearm is ready to fire.
• 1 Flash = Battery Low 1 (The battery’s voltage is low and will require replacement soon. With an alkaline battery, you may be able to get another 100+ shots before the battery drops to “Battery Low 2.”)
• 2 Flashes = Battery Low 2 (Battery MUST be replaced to clear this status code.)
• 3 Flashes = Key switch in OFF/DISABLED (O) position when the safety mechanism was moved from the S-SAFE to the F-FIRE position.
• 4 Flashes = Trigger was pulled when the safety mechanism was moved from the S-SAFE position to the F-FIRE position.
• 5 Flashes = Battery installed with the safety mechanism in the F-FIRE position.
• 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 and 11 Flashes = Factory Service Required. Do not attempt to use your firearm.
@@lumox7
This was way funnier than it should've been.
warpwar those last 6 error codes existing suggests an overly fragile design for the target market.
@@johnfrancisdoe1563
More than fragile is very badly inplemented, what exactly can go wrong with the electronics?
But I am not an electronics expert, plus this gun was made time ago and electronics weren't exactly like the ones we have today.
Wonders what happens if you attempted to fire on like 6 flashes
@@johnfrancisdoe1563 I can easily think of 6 types of mechanical failures within a traditional bolt action rifle.
my father had one of these for some time. you could feel the difference in firing, shots were truly instantaneous and crisp. the problem was the trigger wasn't really that tuneable, the primers were expensive, and the battery would die very quickly. not good enough for the match shooting we had in mind. i remember my father saying the circuit used super cheap components and bled a lot of the power from the battery.
And the first automobiles were deathtraps that tried to break your arm when you started them. Gotta start somewhere.
paul netzel I would say switching to a 9v Lipo would easily solve that issue.
nope. it didnt
Can't say I'm surprised about that, any capacitor will leak some power when being on standby and the battery would have to keep topping that up.
If they used modern components available today not going for the cheapest parts I reckon you could make a pretty viable gun whether you use a lipo pack or alkaline primaries as power source. The right type of capacitor can hold their charge pretty well while also still being able to dump all that into the resistor almost instantly, microcontrollers and buck/boost converters also have come a long way with their power consumption.
A 9V alkaline battery (6F22 by IEC definitions) is a poor choice in energy density, sure it offers a nice output voltage but I think you'd probably be better off with just 2 or 3 AA batteries (IEC: LR6) and a good efficient boost converter. The tiny Alkaline cells in series inside the 9V package aren't a good way to increase energy density.
paul netzel If you aren't worried about added bulk, it would probably be possible to use a 5000 MaH battery and that would last for ages
After watching the LPL for years, I have to think that lock could be opened with no more than a wave rake and about a half second's jiggling.
Eh, I'm sure it's just there to be effective against children playing with it.
remove the battery
Ok here's a use case for electronic firing mechanisms: police/special forces snipers in hostage situations. Several snipers, each has one of the hostage takers as their target, they track their target and they each have a button they hold whenever their crosshairs are positioned for a clean kill shot. Electronically, the instant that every single sniper is holding their button, all the rifles fire simultaneously with near zero lock time. End of hostage situation.
That is actually a good idea. Synchronizing shots would be way easier with such a system. Also, might be a little overkill, but connect it to a range finder so they shoot with a slight delay to ensure all bullets hit their designated target in exactly the same moment.
So if a hostage is in the way of any shot no one will be able to shoot? That seems like a problem that doesn't need solving.
@@meepk633 maybe like a second safety to activate the mode or smth.
@@meepk633 if a hostage blocks a single shot no one will shoot since this hostage would be executed on the spot when terrorists bodies start to fall
Camera supported shooting, you joystick mark the target on an optical stabilized "sight", the gun shoots when it crosses the target
I'm sorry I can't go hunting with you today, my rifle's got an RROD.
Microsoft Windows .17, eh?
The screwup that Remington made was changing the ammunition. A solenoid operated firing pin would have retained all of the positives of the electronic trigger and bolt system and allowed standard ammo to be used.
But that would only have given you a nicer triggerpull and not reduce the lead time... so less PR blabber in the brochure.
Also, that key at the bottom should have been a switch.
@@andersjjensen I actually see the key as a feature. For people looking for a gun that no one else can pick up and use, whether children or intruders or otherwise. Less messy than external locks.
@@AgnumMD good point actually
@@jewsrbad Maybe so. The market apparently agreed with you at the time. But I also agree with Ian, that it's only a matter of time until electronic ammunition is the standard. But who knows how long that could be, maybe 100 years.
@@AgnumMD I think it would be good to combine with caseless too.
the real question is: can it run crysis 3?
Can it run doom?
*perhaps*
Can it play Skyrim?
Can it run Quake II RTX?
I don't know. Somebody needs to give it a shot…
Hold on, I can't fire till my gun is done updating!
404 error: cartridge not found.
Liking this with a comment because I don’t want the number to bump from 69
josh dempsey you tried
Plus people are used to ink-jet printers being shit, imagine a gun like that. "Your rifle has detected the use of non Approved Branded ammunition. Your warranty is now void and you can fire in semi-auto only." or "Your rifle has detected that your ammunition is over 2 years old. We recommend replacing all of your ammunition every year. You cannot fire with this ammunition - please visit www.ammunition.com for 20% off your next order!"
@@mikesully110 electronics are fine, software sucks
When Ian said the primer was a resistor, my first thought was literally "I wonder what the lock-time is like?"
I don't think that hiding battery behind butt plate on screws is such a good idea. Replacing it in the field would be a pain in the butt.
M1ndzor, yes, requiring a screwdriver is silly.
The way this system works, one 9V battery should last for a good number of shots. And as this is a hunting rifle, it would be a no-brainer to make sure it has a fresh battery at the start of the season. Just one of many prep things to be done there, and actually, checking one battery sounds like less effort than checking all the things you would on a mechanical bolt-action gun.
And even if you had to replace the battery away from home, it would be a 30-second job with a Leatherman.
Lots of guns can actually be dismantled and reassembled on the field in very short time or short time... I think screws on the battery would be a problem.
But, this is not made for the field, it is made for hunting... Take your time to change the battery and go back to track your game.
Unless it is a bear, then run, while unscrewing your gun and replacing the battery in the same time, while having a bear coursing you.
This is a very good exercise.
+Grégory_Fleury you are in the field when you're hunting!!! do you hunt from your living room? because when im out in the field i don't normally bring my Wheeler toolbox
Of course I am ! I am a cockroach hunter !
...
Seriously, sorry about that I am not an English native so those words are sometimes blurry.
I thought "field" was for "battlefield".
If you have X in your product name its ought to be new age
Cox
don't forget the 2000
Especially when it follows - albeit without the accented é - a French word for turd.
The funny thing is "étron" in french mean "turd".
Bad thing if they want selling it in France.
Nice vedeo, like every time. Thank you a lot Yann.
Ian
Kinda like naming a car model a Nova and selling it in Mexico. Nova, south of the border, means no go.
Kinda like calling someone the completely wrong name.
Mdr
Yann!
i can't tell if you spelled it wrong on purpose or just don't know how to spell Ian but It always makes me chuckle when I see different ways to spell the same name
on a side note, how do you spell "Yves"?
As a professional gunsmith, I love this rifle for purely proof of concept. I agree that electronics are coming soon, and can't wait to see what happens.
Colonel Overkill I bed that replacing mechanic's with electronic's could also make the guns lighter.
And a lot more simple for the trigger mechanism with ideally no moving parts to fail. This would also make the trigger mechanisms of bullpup designs much better, as the whole transfer business could be done with literal wiring.
That's what I thought too, a bullpup without transfer bar slop.
My gripes with this gun:
a) The key. Is it REALLY necessary to operate a gun like a car? And given the size and the position of the lock that really is an invitation to desaster, aka a key being lost or broken off because of poor handling.
b) You gotta screw off the buttplate in order to insert he battery. As others already have statd below, that won't be fun on a hunting trip, especially if you accidently lose a screw and spend all day searching the floor in the forest.
On the positive side, the lack of spring tension might be a boon for people who have issues operating a normal bolt-action rifle for whatever reason. If the battery compartment was in the front you could actually make a compact and modular receiver design that can be customed for hunters with physiological disabilities or for sporting issues. That would be pretty neat.
44WarmocK77 answers to questions never asked. :)
yet. ;)
In case dumb children got their hands on it. Can't fire it at all.
if they made the rifle today, they probably would have made it rechargeable. rechargeable batteries have their own problems though. for the lock and the electronics in the rifle i can see some issues arising with age. Any flaw that any simple electronic device can have, this rifle can have. it would likely be sealed but with age thing wear out. then you get to the key. not a bad idea but you lose the key you cannot fire the rifle. it is a safety feature and a safety feature that could be added to any device which would act to disconnect the sear in most systems but in this system it would be a switch. all of this would come up in the design process so i would not be overly concern with these issues.
No, because a chain is only as strong as its weakest link. And I'd prefer the chain to be exceptionally strong since we're talking about a firearm here.
11:11 also an emp wouldn't effect a flashlight, why would effect a weapon with the same complicity
people think EMPs are some magic "make electricity disappear" spell. It just can damage integrated circuity. And it'd be pretty damn easy to harden this against that even if it WERE susceptible.
@@Exarian Anything that runs on a battery or is unplugged during and EMP won't be affected. And I hope none of us are around when that hypothesis is tested
@@ianfinrir8724 unplugged circuitry can still be fried if it's complex enough and we're talking about nuclear EMPs
@@smorrow not very complexe circuits, could easily be emp proofed
So how do you download mods?
MustangCobra you have to download an installer, but you need to jailbreak it first.
An automatic electrically-primed gun might actually have mods for different bursts and rates of fire...
Can my rifle play doom?
Hopefully they don't do pay for DLCs on this thing...
@@rjstrunk6438 More like "Can it play Crysis?"
"Turn the rifle on" words I thought I would never hear in my life. If the manual speaks of blinking lights than the damn gun better shoot lightning bolts or magnetically accelerate a slug
Next, add a Halo-style ammo counter.
Rail gun?
Or at least have an ominous whirring sound effect every time you load a new round and charge the firing capacitor. Finish it off with some LED bar graphs on the side just for coolness.
DNFU From my understanding, they require expensive rare earth, which would hinder military adoption of small arms variations.
GRAVITY RAIL GUNS
Remington missed an enormous opportunity with this rifle. One of the biggest selling points could have been a minuscule bolt lift angle, but no, they went with a 2 lug bolt.
You know you still need to account for the pressure of a literal gunshot not shearing the bolt off and into the shooter's face, right?
@@kaibowman4803 bolts can have more than 2 lugs and handle rifle chamber pressures you donkey. How many lugs does an AR have?
If this was cheaper this would actually be a great learner firearm for children; it tells you if you leave the safety on, it has a key so they can only use it when they're supervised, and the operation is slightly simplified.
Alex A right very easily converted into a firearms safety system. 👍. Then for cops, they could use the magnetic or RFID required to fire rings/watch.
The name makes it sound as if Remington made an E-cigarette or vape
Cherry flavored ammo coming never!
Eminence I agree, but shouldn't that make hipsters flock to it?
Maybe it needs a beard and flannel shirt too?
Just needs a beanie, greasy beard, and a minimum wage job and the gun would be all set for the Hipster market.
Ok, i have to admit, that that dropped me.
Sadly I can see this happening...
1) As an old tanker, I spent a quarter century around electrically primed ammunition... in 105 and 120 millimeters. No big deal except there was this urban legend was that somebody in Germany had their radio antenna hit a power line and it detonated their basic load.
2) IMHO this was a stalking horse for
a) Sales of electrically primed small arms to the military (not a good idea, what if the bad guys are in the wire and you have a dead battery. Plus the proliferation of devices carried by the soldier that need batteries has developed into quite a logistical problem)
b) Being able to tell the Gun Control Nutjobs, "See, we produced an easily lockable rifle that was impossible to shoot without the proper key and nobody bought it"
c) Having something ready if California passed a law requiring all firearms be capable of being locked.
While 2a is true, you can get a _lot_ of rounds off before having to change the battery.
2b is a shame, because it's a rather sensible system. Though the price is a killer.
why not just use a piezo electric crystal to generate the current for each shot? It would be struck by a hammer which can be done by the mechanism of the gun.
@@ilyarepin7750 interesting yet very senseless 😂
How would packing spare 9-volts be more of a logistical hurdle than packing extra ammo? And how would ensuring the charge be a significant logistical hurdle than regular cleaning and maintenance? If you can't be arsed to check the battery every time you do a routine cleaning then I'd wonder if you're even doing the cleaning in the first place. Plus it's not like the battery's just gonna die on you in the middle of a shootout by the look of things, batteries don't really suck anymore.
The only electric firearm I want has 6 barrels and fires in excess of 4000 rounds per minute. A mini gun would be perfect on my porch for "driveway denial" operations.
You sure? It would be stolen in a heartbeat :P Unless you live by its side 24/7
Would you steal from someone who set that out on his porch with confidence. I wouldn't.
50 or a 30?
Most of them are overly confident any way, some one would watch you a bit and figure out when you sleep and work and then steal it :P Quick money if you ask me :)
sensible man...
They should make an electronic rifle where the bullets themselves store the charge.
Then you could have a battery in battery.
If there is a way to reliably keep the charge for a long time, which I doubt.
Aye any battery loses charge overtime, plus it would drive up the cost of the ammunition even if not rechargeable.
Could find a way to charge it when the bolt if cycled, kinetic energy stored in a small capacitor thats chatged every time you use the bolt, then you wouldn't need to worry about the battery dying
Then you would be right back to a chemical primer...
Yo dawg I heard you like batteries so I put a battery in your battery so you can battery while you battery.
Frankly, I really like this idea. I liked it when I first heard of the concept of electrically-primed rounds (watching FutureWeapons's bit on MetalStorm), and I love that a company actually made it. Just hate that it was not a commercial success.
"the enemy is shooting at us...and i've lost my gun-key..." ... "Dammit, Joe.. not again!"
Well he forgot the ammo anyway, lets just give up.
KNACK 2 THA FUTURE Only sensible comment that i have read on this video.
"...I know, I know, I'm sorry I should be more careful..
...but Hank can you hurry up w/ the soldering iron & the wire snips?"
Just imagine calling a locksmith to have him unlock your rifle.....
Something like a fingerprint scanner or a keypad would be cooler imo
Where's the version that you charge via wall plug/USB?
You could easily convert it using a battery pack (instead of a regular 9v), some basic wiring, and probably a USB type-C connector. USB-C can supply 20v/5A/100w so it should be enough to charge a battery pretty quickly.
I don't really see the advantage to charging the battery while it's in the gun, though. There's still the chance of the battery going tits up and leaking in the gun which would cause damage. Also, it would be more practical just to use a chargeable battery or battery pack that you just swap out on the go - that way if you NEED your rifle and it's not charged, you can just spend a minute swapping a battery rather than waiting ~15-30 minutes for it to charge.
The easiest and best way to do this would be to spring for some rechargeable 9V or 9V compatible packs from the get-go and just recharge and swap them as needed. No wiring changes at all.
@Dan "wiz" Parmenter Get a wireless charging butt plate and sewing some wireless charging coil to your hunting coat. Wow
"If you lose the safety key, rifle no workey!" - A Saint
"This is the lock picking lawyer..."
Need to ban high capacitor rifles!
LOLOL too funny
U_Wot_m7+1 hahahaha. Good one.
U_Wot_m7+1 maby we go back to flentlock i bet people will still get shot
Ha
:D
no springs attached
shit, ya got me
I glad someone else caught it.
I honestly think electrically actuated firearms is a neat concept in theory especially with something like an AR, adjust ability is the part that interests me because you could adjust the fire rate, how many bullets are fired in burst mode, no lock time, trigger weight, possibly even the ballistics of the rifle for adjusting to different powder loads if needed.
This to me seems like the future of firearms but only if we can make really energy dense batteries like solid state batteries.
it would take an extremely unusual emp (unusual even for a very rare event) in exactly right situation to even bother the rifle. emps are particularly a concern for long conductors (electrical lines and other wires of length) that are under load while having thier longest dimension exposed at a right angle to the primary direction of em wave propagation. the greater the magnitude of the initiating event, the phase of the event (emps are composed of seperate phases that do different things), the closer you are located the epicenter (actually theres a goldilocks zone or effect of certain types of emps) and orientation and load status of the rifle all have to concide in order for the emp to effect the rifle. the short answer is that if an emp turns your rifle off , you either have to only switch it off and back on, maybe change the battery, or you have far worse problems than your rifle being turned off.
Probably a good concept for a weapon that fires caseless ammo, since you'd be able to remove the firing and extraction mechanisms, making the gun a lot more compact. Anywhere else though, and the electronics are gonna be pretty useless.
Yeah, that reduces the gun to basically a tube with an electrode on one end and a rotating valve assembly to seal the chamber. (Are you reading this, HK?)
There is one, Metal Storm it has 36 barrels and does million rounds per minute.
Edit, for 36 barrel gun with that rate of fire it’s rather compact.
@@Dang_Near_Fed_Up Late but what about heat dissipation? Wasn't cook-off due to the lack of casing to remove heat from the system the real problem with the G11?
EMP's could end a battle in seconds.
Stale Bagelz this one ua-cam.com/video/d8hlj4EbdsE/v-deo.html
2:59 XD first time seeing ian almost tipping a gun over on the gun table
He was trying to not lose his cool lol
Your condescending remarks on the piss poor nature of my apocalypse decisions are not appreciated. :D
Great video, and this makes me feel super old since I remember when these first came out and I thought they were super sweet and I kind of wanted one. Never had the money though, and can't hunt anything around here with a rifle.
"C'mon, fire it just once, I'm sure you'll like it... no springs attached."
I have 2 of these. .243 and the .22-250. They came with several hundred rounds of ammunition for each. Both rifles are superbly accurate rifles. You can really notice the difference in lock time compared to any mechanical trigger. They were a lot more expensive than a regular remington 700 but a more fair comparison would be a 700 sendero, or 40x. They are essentially factory target rifles. If you have all the time in the world to setup and need to precisely place a couple bullets they are great. But not my first choice for a zombie apocalypse.
I can see this being a great way to fire a highly accurate sniper rifle set up. No trigger flinch.
I could think of at least four or five questions this system could be the answer to....
Better bullpups (covered in a previous comment)
Better security (covered in the response to the bullpup comment I think)
A quieter gun: taking out one of the mechanical components would make for an even quieter silenced weapon. With the right ammo and suppressors the only sound would be the loading and rejecting mechanisms which is very controllable.
Modularity: having a connection from the firing system to whatever rail system you choose to employ could allow you to fire a grenade launcher or shotgun or what have you that might be attached to your rifle with the same trigger as your rifle without a lot of extra mechanical nonsense.
I can't help but think it'd make the jobs of snipers a tad bit easier too which is never a bad thing.
You could also configure them so they can switch between pull trigger or release trigger settings if that's something someone needed
4 years after the video was posted, and it was an introduction for me. I would love to see this technology advance and become more common
you know the more i think about it... this line of thinking is the future for firearms; stacked barrels, programmable trigger weights. hell we already have red dots on pistols that can last 2 years of continuous use...
you could even get this to fire on release of the trigger. for those extremely far shots.
on a semi auto gun you could have a selector switch that drops the trigger weight to half a pound, effectively turning it into full auto.
That key feature doesn't look like it's been thought through at all. What do tiny keys like to do? Bend and break when they're in a lock, and get lost when they're on your keychain. What gets knocked and rested on in all forms of shooting positions and during transportation? The underside of a stock. Ummmmm...
It could have at least been recessed instead of protruding from such a vulnerable position or have a larger rounded head that forms to the stock and resists bending. Heck, even a simple switch would do (unless they were pushing for the tamper-proof aspect).
As soon as I saw that and then him deciphering the error code I could have sworn this gun was a joke
"Struck by lightning while being attacked by a shark and a polar bear at the same time" lolol! Love it
my favorite thing about guns is that theyre entirely mechanical. theres something old school cool about that
Idk I'm still waiting for hand held rail guns to be developed >.>
@@ACEGAMER120 Just make your own.
@@b226tj Making a hand held rail gun isnt currently possible. Big reason being that energy density of electrical energy storage devices isnt advanced enough to build one that's functional and doesnt weigh more than a person can lift.
@@ACEGAMER120 Search it up on YT.
B226 T&J those are toys, not a single person has created a “rail gun” capable of combat, much less fulfilling the basic role of a rifle.
Good news, the EMP scenario would only hinder the rifle for about 48 hours tops. EMP's only disrupt electronics, in some cases it may damage devices but that's not it's intent.
Another great video, thank you.
Well considering there are no major electronics in it just a capacitor mostly.
It would take the gun out of action till you replaced the battery as it would only short the battery itself out (if it was in the gun which it shouldn't be for storage)
Good news, EMP has no effect on batteries.
It was a good spark of an idea but people resisted it and it fizzled out.
It'd make for a great Duracell advert
Jord_2w if they only had the balls to support the 2nd.
Timely video, what with the Austrians reviving non-mechanical ignition right now.
The only real difference is that they use a laser instead of electricity and their rifle can be converted to Ye Olde by simply swapping bolts. They do share the idea of Skynet and Meatspace rounds being identical, save for the primers.
Well I'm assuming it's laser powered by electricity. So the laser handles the role equivalent to the special electronically ignited primers. And probably same way. resistor or laser, both are ways to turn electricity in to heat.
Ari Takalo True. In the laser-based system, they shine a beam onto the priming charge through a transparent primer cup.
Husband: "the car battery is dead"
Wife: "Use the 700"
Is this OSX or windows 10?
Windows XP shooters edition
"I've got no springs, to hold me down, to make me sing, to make me fire!"
SWITS Feral made my day
"sizzle sizzle.... WOOF" best description ever
This might be interesting in conjunction with the TrackingPoint system, given the benefits to lock-time.
I agree. On this note, I kind of wonder why he doesn't mention/appear to know of TrackingPoint. I mean, basically, the potential of "electronic fire control" is already been realized today. It's not a future product like he's made it sound.
The tracking point rifle doesn't need it though given the nature of the platform.
Your check rifle light has come on because you have not had it serviced lately, please get it checked by an approved Remington tech.
This is a great alternative seeing the primer situation we are in now
I assume if you’re genuinely worried about how an EMP might affect something, you’d build a faraday cage and keep it inside.
Good Lost reference. lol
@@lambrosk3790 that wasn’t a reference, faraday cages are real things
@@Jess-pe8bq more evidence that I’m unable to distinguish tv from reality. Duly noted
I was always imagined something like this as a gun for distant post-apocalyptic scenario, since producing proper primers is kinda tricky chemistry. But let's be honest these will be piezoelectric muskets at best.
I remember when these came out. It sure does speed up the lock time and the trigger pull could be just awesome!
You've been giving us content near daily for a while now, and while I understand it's gotta be tough, I hope it doesn't end anytime soon. Thank you. Any chance of another series video like the Bergmann series?
I have a Mannlicher series coming up shortly, although it's only 3 videos.
Männlicher pistols or rifles?
I was just out of college and shopping for my first centerfire rifle when these guns were on the market. I really wanted one, as I figured the electronic ammo was the future of firearms (the company Metal Storm was making headlines with its innovative experimental guns at the same time). The problem was just that it was a $2000 Remington 700. Sure, it has nice features like the fancy bolt handle and fluted barrel, but it's still just a boring ol' 700. Top that off with coming only in varmint calibers (though, yeah, .243 can take bigger game), and it just wasn't worth it when for that price you could get one of any number of much nicer or more versatile hunting rifles, or up to four used 700s in good shape.
I think if Remington had gone a different route, it would have caught on. They either needed to release multiple models in lots of calibers, or they needed to just sell conversion kits, like a bolt and trigger group with a battery and capacitor in the bolt and/or trigger group.
That said, I am genuinely surprised that these didn't become all the rage with bench rest shooters. Plenty of bench rest rifles are built on 700 actions, and that trigger and lock time seem like they'd be a real advantage.
I mean…can shoot deer with .223 level round…really shouldn’t tho if have any sympathy for animal tho.
@@BRBMrSoul Plenty of people do it.
That save was so professional my man. You're a legend.
This rifle is up there with all those weird/quirky computer designs of the late 1990s/early 2000s. Still pretty cool though.
Year 2075: Hold on, my gun's OTA updating! Ah shit it's got an error..
I seem to remember a long time ago (40 years or so) that there was an Olympic Pistol made with no moving parts to fire. Simply two contacts a short distance apart that your finger made contact with & it fired. It was quickly outlawed, but an incredibly accurate target potential .
On the subject of EMPs:
If the electronics are surrounded by metal it is safe. Even Nuclear level EMP would still fail to harm anything sitting inside a car.
Faraday cages work for a reason. Electronic Weapons are viable, we have simply failed to use them in a way that makes sense and is not too expensive.
It completely baffles me why they did this with a bolt action. Any advantage would be completely lost by forcing the user to operate everything but the trigger manually.
Electronics not attached to long cables and built so that individual components can withstand magnetic fields and also a little bit of a voltage spike will also be safe. Small devices not attached to long cables are quite resistant. You get the worst effects at both ends of any long cables. So it fucks up the electrical grid and anything connected to it (without really good and fast reaction time fuses). Also, all EMPs shown in movies, except for the ones shown in the context of nuclear war, are bullshit.
Lawsuits, that's why.
You can bet your ass the ATF would have declared anything semi-automatic as "machinegun" the second it was available.
Robin Bot Their capacitor recharging circuit was too slow for anything but a bolt action.
well but batery is in stoch, witch is not protected
ATF can get funny if they believe that it could be ran in or converted to full auto.
Seeing ian panic for a second was worth the whole video.
The 700 is just an amazingly beautiful piece of mechanical craftsmenship. Thanx 4 the upload 👍
My dad bought one of these exact rifles when they came out and he still uses it to this day. I have a regular R700 myself and the EtronX shoots really really well compared to mine. Is it enough of a difference to matter? Youd have to be the judge of that. For my dad it makes all the difference.
Hows he get ammo for it
@@justinpennington7682I saw some primers on sale online for it
This is somewhat a pretty good thing, makes sence to actually have a key to a gun as a lot seem to circulate and it may prevent someone using it that should not.
There's also some guns that have a fingerprint scanning internal trigger-lock. I agree that stolen firearms are a huge problem. (At least here in the US, I've read that a majority of gun crimes are committed with stolen weapons).
Struck by lightning while being attacked by a shark and polar bear at the same time.
Funniest absurd hypothetical ever. Ian's subtle humor at its finest.
Thank you for explaining the term "lock time." One reason questions about lock time aren't asked is that not many civilian and non-competative shooters have ever heard the term. Hopefully this video will help spread the word.
You also correctly explained the difference in lock time between ancient and modern arms, so, I'm duly impressed. :)
To clarify (your verbage was just slightly clouded), in modern arms lock time is the time elapsed between the actual trigger break and the moment the primer is initiated. Though it's only a fraction of a second, there are actually more times this matters than most would think, like in long distance shooting.
I have a surplus Negant and there are modern replacement fire control parts which greatly reduce lock time... Any older firearm like this would benefit from these type upgrades, especially if it it's being used for distance hunting or precision shooting.
Lock time is just one factor that comes into play in aiming and firing a rifle. Serious (especially old school) hunters, snipers and precision shooters all know that besides wind and a steady rest, breathing and heart beats will throw off a shot but lock time is the third factor of accuracy. When faced with a target that is far off, moves and/or has a short window of opportunity, such as passing by obstructions (moving through trees, passing by windows and doors, etc.), then lock time comes into play.
Though lock time is extremely short and the mods I mentioned give improvements of only hundredths of a second, when you combine all things that affect a shots accuracy then it can mean the difference between making or missing a shot, particularly in a distance hunting scenario where an animal can make a sudden movement as the shot is fired where it's the difference between a clean kill or having to track down a wounded animal because the shot was several inches off the mark. Particularly for a long shot such as in the open plains or across valleys, on a mountain side, etc. That is exactly why this rifle was made. There was a demand for a rifle that minimized the detractors of accuracy for hunting, particularly in the western states, where so many things affect a shot like wind, humidity, the shooters physiology (breathing and heart rate) etc.
Serious hunters and competitive shooters understand that controlled breathing and waiting for the brief moment between heart beats matters. Many competitive shooters, hunters and snipers do a lot of cardio work to lengthen this time which, combined with a shortened lock time in the rifle, is the secret to hitting the mark.
Sorry for the diatribe but this and other channels are here because people seek information to help there shooting and this is a very important topic. Thanks again!
I don't mind the idea of the rifle at all. I think it's a quirky concept and I respect any gun manufacturer willing to take risks on a design, it's what drives innovation.
But why the hell does it have a key?
In what scenario is that going to benefit me as a responsible gun owner? Especially considering this is a hunting rifle. It's going to live its life in basically four different locations; the field on a hunt, the range, my house, and my truck on the way to any of the three other locations. Most of the those scenarios it's with me, the only other time it's in a locked cabinet. I don't need a key for my other rifles, and I sure as hell don't need one for this one.
To save the battery.
@@danielallison1925
I think what he was going for,,, was that a non-lockable switch will turn off the circuit just as well.
@@willybee3056 You may be right. I was thinking of the Hopkins and Allen pistols that had a key for safety reasons back in the early 1900's. There is nothing new under the sun. Improved maybe, but not new it seems.
"as a responsible gun owner" but that's the thing, answer me this:how many people do you really think are terribly responsible? especially once they get some altering substances in their system?
In the deep recesses of my memory, I seem to recall a .22 rifle that ignited the primer by creating an arc across the cartridge rim. Does anyone else recall having read about this, or am I confabulating?
Daisy had an oddball in the mid to late sixties. I remember the advertisements on the back cover of comic books.
@@lancesoterion435 comic book advertised gun, now that's something I'd love to buy!
@@lancesoterion435 The Daisy gun and this thing might fit the description:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voere_VEC-91
During a Zombie apocalypse...
Me: "SIRI, SHOOT!"
Siri: "I DON'T HAVE FINGERS!!"