@@trclark7689 All states have some form of "sunshine law". That FSU didn't leverage exceptions and workarounds as expected in this industry is yet another of its problems. Earlier, it was disclosed that FSU secretly entered into agreements with PE, including a non-disclosure. It has been claimed that FSU has signed a non-disclosure with the BIG12 (I suppose actually third parties). A "sunshine law" may be a legal defense for any FSU disclosures, but it won't be an excuse that yields a P2 invite.
Texas is a blue blood who came with another blue blood Oklahoma, they offer more, and didn't sue their conference like FSU because their temper tantrum over their UCF SOS and regretting signing a shitty deal. Not to mention the tv contracts already being negotiated and the fact that the SEC already has SC/FL markets while diluting the shares more without adding the OKC/OK market.
Tarheel you comment on all these same type of threads, how about YOUR school stop hiding in the shadows riding FSU & Clem coattails and just leave the ACC too. It's no secret UNC, Mia and few others all want out too but they are letting FSU take all the arrows while we all know the rest of the viable teams want out too
@@tarheel7406 BS Tar!! If they didn’t want them, they wouldn’t have invited them!!! It’s that simple. They both bring top 15 ranking for the most watched teams in the country. That is why they WANTED them!!! Feelings still hurt?
@@jimedick9496 Sorry, but the B1G rejected WASH/ORE several times after the USC/UCLA news, there was no pro rata in place for the pair, etc. Flugar even stated that the plan was to consider at the next media deal. Something happened to cause the B1G to invite earlier than planned. I maintain that unexpected PAC incompetence put W/O in distress and that UNC swung to heavily favor the SEC. There is currently no evidence that W/O have tier 1 value since no network has yet agreed to pay Tier 1 value. We have lots of evidence that W/O have less than Tier 1 value. The SEC and B1G are waiting on UNC, as they have for years if not decades. Why would my feelings be involved? You will have to do better.
CLEMSON can back down, but it would take a miracle for FSU. Could be a last chance to get rid of FSU, ND to join in full, and get a high enough media deal.
@@tarheel7406 Wow. You are really ruined by FSU. ND is not going to join the ACC. They did in 2020 and immediately backed out. UNC is probably stuck there, though.
FSU had an opportunity to come to the SEC, Fla didn’t want them in, Bob Bowden didn’t want to play in the SEC. Clemson had their run as the “Texas” of the ACC, USCarolina doesn’t want them in, don’t think D Sweeney wants to be in the SEC either.
I’m sure Sweeney would dig the SEC. Otherwise, you’re on point. One might scratch their head about how USC got into the SEC instead of Clemson… at least in today’s terms. (Can’t remember if Clemson was in trouble with the NCAA at the time). On the other hand, sometimes a conference membership needs a loyal partner that does NOT win all their games.
That was some ex-post-facto happy talk from Bobby to look on the bright side. Believe me, he wanted in the SEC BAD. And in the 90s, in Bobby's heyday, FSU would have run the SEC.
@@seminoleboy96 Two things appear to have happened to change B1G's interest in WASH/ORE: a) Unexpected PAC incompetence resulting in W/O in severe distress. b) UNC swinging to heavily favor the SEC, UVA going dark.
Cope. UW/UO came at discounted rates, added new recruitng grounds, it was before the tv contract negotiations, and they didn't sue their own conference due to a temper tantrum over a UCF level 55th SOS after turning down an invite to a stronger conference when it benefited them more
Why is it that all of these so called experts and podcasters forget that the NC legislature has tied UNC and NC State together with regard to any move. The legislature is controlled by eastern NC which is N C State's primary fanbase.
People in Oklahoma said the same thing about Oklahoma and Oklahoma State. Almost all of those state-tied rivalries are bull. I know the state of Alabama made the Iron Bowl come back after decades, but that's the only one I know of for sure.
@GoHawgs1987 NC State and UNC have been around longer than Oklahoma has been a state. So there's that. Plus...they don't have to be in same conference. They just have to get approval to leave.
@@GoHawgs1987 state politics vary wildly. NC college sports are extremely political. The NC Board of Governors has to approve any conference moves for in-state schools. That board is currently controlled by NC State graduates, which obviously imposes a problem for UNC leaving. There are already political qualms in the board focused on not approving a move for UNC unless NC State also gets a home in a new conference.
😭Who did you you talk to? We heard Oklahoma/Texas would never be in the SEC but here we are. The same can be said for Oregon/Washington in the BIG yet here they are. At the end of the day no one knows what's going on behind the scenes no matter who you talk to. If something was going down why would they let it out the bad prematurely.
If the SEC or Big 10 were looking to add FSU and Clemson, these leaks would not come from them. You don't besmirch the reputation of a future member with these rumors. You also don't allow the other Power 2 conference to say "like the stories said, we didn't want them because it didn't make financial sense and their broken relationships, etc etc". Anyone who works in marketing knows the 5 to 1 PR rule to rebuild a reputation. Your membership reflects your conference's image and you wouldn't trash that of a future member's.
This is the silliest point I hear... no they do not have to say that. This is all off the record stuff. Could their interest change?? Of course, but nothing prevents them from saying they'd be interested if they were free of the ACC. This is PAC 12 level copium.
So, the P64 who's leaving the NCAA...the new "G5" coalition/playoffs.....and the B12/ACC by themselves maybe playing each other? Good luck with that B12/ACC.... when the faculty and fans come to grips with reality we would love to have you in the "G5" coalition/playoff.
(Big 10) The media deal will be renegotiated to encompass both schools & I believe they will get the Oregon / Washington deal that starts at $_____ & grows by $5 million per year until the media deal ends and then the NEXT deal will be the same for all schools, but I think they will be better off replacing Texas / Oklahoma in the Big 12.
@@HawkYounkinsThe BIG doesn't want to add them due to AAU and the fact that if they could stab them in the back when given the chance for a better deal by the SEC they would. The SEC already has FL/SC markets which offers nothing more to tv contract negotiations and dilutes the share per school, in short, cope.
@PurpleHazeVanNederlands FSU & Clemson would never stab the B1G Conference in the back because of money. The B1G Conference makes the most money. It's a Nationwide Conference now! SEC is only regional. Which will always mean the B1G will always make more money! As far as the AAU membership, that's not a top priority anymore. Not having an AAU Membership will not keep teams out of the B1G Conference. That came right out of the mouth of the B1G Conference Commissioner.
This will never stop. The best schools in the Pac 12, Big 12 and ACC either got out or are looking to get out for greener pastures. Let's say Georgia wins 5 straight national titles. What then? No conference is good enough for Georgia and they go independent? As long as humans fall victim to greed and entitlement this thing never stops.
I think their main problem was they needed to work their exit behind the scenes. When the others schools left, they didn’t announce it before they had another invite from another conference. Forcing an exit without an invite loses any leverage they would have to get into a better conference. Also for the Big 12, why add FSU after they are trying to burn down the ACC which means they would do the same thing to the Big 12.
@@ToddRobinson13brother...Texas and Oklahoma were going to leave when their Big 12 deal was up. They ended up negotiating an exit for 1 year earlier. The ACC deal goes until 2036. The situations are COMPLETELY different. The penalty + grant of rights to leave the ACC is $500,000,000. And the ACC wants their money. The other conferences don't want to get dragged into a lawsuit. Of course, to the public, they're saying all the right things until this lawsuit gets settled.
Texas and Oklahoma paid $100M COMBINED to leave the Big 12. FSU and Clemson, if they lose the lawsuit, would have to pay $500M EACH to leave the ACC. And you think they just decided to bounce without an offer in hand...dude, think about it. These are multi-billion dollar organizations with huge political influence. They ain't flying by the seat of their pants.
Have u talked to like less than 100 ppl? Bc plenty want Clemson and fsu in or atleast one of em lol and it would benefit both programs greatly financially and it would also give them a toughness test and truly see how well they stack up against the top tier programs in that conference more often
Seems to be a timing issue. FSU & Clemson want to be out of the ACC yesterday, while the P2 have each freshly expanded and would prefer to wait before adding even more members. Whenever you read about the B1G not wanting FSU or the SEC not wanting Clemson, add the words "right now" to the end of the sentence. If the Big-12 is able to be a temporary home to bridge that gap then it could be a win-win.
Both the SEC and B1G would immediately invite UVA and UNC when either is both willing and able to accept. It's not a timing issue other than ND, UVA & UNC have to move first before the SEC/B1G will consider CLEMSON/FSU. CLEMSON seems to know its place while FSU doesn't and has been reckless.
@@JesseDouglas456 If FSU and its fans can't accept the realities after all of the reporting, the CFP snub, and this recent brutal article, then FSU will never make the P2 Tier 1 cut.
@@tarheel7406 The reality is that FSU will absolutely be in one of the P2 conferences in the near future. My point above is that you CLEARLY have an obsession with all things FSU, as I see you making the same comments on every video, pretending you have some sort of inside information and ignoring the way that conference realignment has always played out in the past. The fact that you deliberately seek out FSU content, while NO ONE cares that much about UNC, should tell you all you need to know about who really moves the needle.
@@JesseDouglas456 a) If the SEC and B1G are only going to 20 max in the near future, how would FSU get an invite? b) I am obsessed with this overall realignment story and how FSU has likely become a cautionary tale. c) I have never claimed inside info, I just reconcile the available evidence. d) Further realignment largely hinges on UNC, as the B1G and SEC are waiting on it and ND.
If this was UVA and UNC there would not be any controversy because those 2 conferences want to be there at those states. Also ND is still a factor in this and yet no mention of them. 🧐
@@graysonganoosh2437 Only going scorched earth because the ACC wouldn't budge on payouts. Even the commissioner stated recently that losing FSU and Clemson will lose the ACC 200m. Well if you're going to lose 200m, it's time to get your conference together to come up with a solution to pay both Clemson and FSU near 50/60m a year and everyone else gets the leftovers. If the best the conference commissioner can do is get scraps, then the non big powers like Wake Forest, Virginia, GT, etc etc can all eat scraps
@@brandonringer7592 Typical nonsense. Unequal distributions are a fatal poison. Your expectation and demand is one of the reasons FSU will end up in the BIG12.
@@tarheel7406FSU fans have acted exactly how I thought they would after the CFP committee wasn't impressed by their UCF 2017 level 55th SOS vs Alabama top 3 SOS/ Texas top 5 SOS and didn't want a repeat of UGA-TCU. Notice how none of the r/cfb casual fans mention Liberty being "screwed" because deep down they know SOS matters and turned down the SEC when SOS mattered less during poll era.
@7:37 Slight correction- the reason this all started was FSU wanted unequal distribution **after** the SEC/Big 10 started getting crazy money. Things would be a bit more understandable and FSU seen as less of a bad partner if this had been a long simmering issue the fact is FSU and Clemson had no issues until the SEC/Big 10 deals blew up and that is why others are/should be wary of them.
Not true at all. FSU was the last hold out on this crappy media rights deal and was basically forced to sign it or be screwed. Also a lot of promises regarding money were made in the media rights deal that have not been fulfilled. All will come to light. FSU wanted to stay in ACC but impossible to compete there with revenue gaps so large. Don’t see how they are the bad guys in this case.
Likely a big pause here because P2 can only get so big. I think Big Ten has appetite to go bigger but SEC unlikely to go above 20. Fewer teams if interest to them. Therefore, B1G needs to stay similar or lose per school money to SEC peers because pie can only be do big. Also, the P2 has been at 12 core members the longest. Do they want new teams to outnumber old ones? I bet 12 teams per conference have thoughts there
I can definitely see the SEC not rreally caring about those schools, but the B1G is not going to turn down getting a footprint in Florida and South Carolina. That's SEC country. Plus, there are a bunch of fans of B1G teams that live in both states.
Sorry you are wrong. Average Big Ten TV Rating 5.94 million viewers. Clemson Average TV Rating 3.08 million. Florida State Average TV Rating 3.17 million viewers. - Nielsen Ratings. As for advertisers Average Big Ten state has 37 Fortune 1000 companies, while South Carolina has just 6, and Florida State (northern half) has 20. Both Clemson & Florida State are smaller markets with smaller fan bases.
@@tarheel7406 Hes stating his opinion.... He's not getting his opinion from SEC or Big10 commissioners who have to distance themselves due to lawsuits from the ACC for tampering. Even the excuses given are nonsense since 1. USC, and Texas were more disruptive. 2. They won't touch FSU but picked up Washington and Oregon, neither are ahead of viewership and revenue over FSU. 3. Neither Texas or anyone from the PAC had to pay a 600m extortion fee to leave the conference. It was a sub 200m fee which the SEC paid off Texas and OUs
@@brandonringer7592 FSU fan denial is amazing. a) One may can't express desire, but they also don't have to be negative. b) USC and TEXAS handled this in the correct, upper right manner. c) WASH/ORE have higher relative value than FSU from the B1G perspective. d) The barriers to leave seem irrelevant to attractiveness notwithstanding.
@@tarheel7406 It's not denial... The Big 12, albeit media rights deal ends earlier, makes less then the ACC .. this makes no sense. The ACC states they will lose 200m between both FSU and Clemson then FSU and Clemson could make somewhere in the ball park of 50/60m being independent... FSU would already have Miami, Clemson, and Florida on a schedule. Add a Notre Dame and 4 more schools then you have a descent P5 schedule and could easily pull in a higher fee then the ACC
@@brandonringer7592 a) It's denial of the lack of SEC/B1G interest in FSU. b) The ACC is already managing its decline to the Tier 2 and assuming UNC, CLEMSON & FSU will leave. To where isn't that relevant. c) Your math isn't that simple. Synergies matter. The high value alumni bases in the ACC matter. FSU and CLEMSON aren't worth that much as an indy. d) You think ND will schedule FSU or CLEMSON out of conference after leaving? Only the BIG12 would likely accept FSU's other sports, and why would they unless FSU came in as a full? Sorry, but FSU and CLEMSON were always seen as disposable to the SEC/B1G. FSU thought way too highly of itself and made poor decisions based on that false belief. All the decision makers know that it was warned but ignored.
Brett McMurphy being an Oklahoma State grad comes off as a little biased. If he was a North Carolina State grad, for instance, he would be singing a different tune.
I believe you're correct, but it really limits which games the new network would have the rights to air. I believe it would be limited to the 4th or 5th pick every week, not rotating for the 1st pick with ESPN & Fox, and not 3rd in line either.
@@PCSPounder i have not heard or read anything any differant on them having a statement in any contract that prohibits the big12 from asking a third network to come in. So it would not surprise me to see someone else come into the bakery to grab the pie that much bigger.
i put this under the wrong person so sorry for it being twice. Couz, I have not heard or read anything any differant on them having a statement in any contract that prohibits the big12 from asking a third network to come in. So it would not surprise me to see someone else come into the bakery to grab the pie that much bigger.
If this is all done around tv contracts you have to wait until the new contracts are going to be in place . Besides some teams are just not going to be wanted all the time , while some teams will. Expansion will be more selective in the future , some of that seems to be happening now .
Wait what!? Someone from the SEC says they don’t want FSU or Clemson because they already have uSC and UF? When they also have Bama and Auburn, vandy and UT, ole miss and Miss ST. Also they want to keep it regional? It doesn’t get anymore regional than FSU. It’s smack dab in the middle of UGA, UF, and Bama. I’m not an expert here but seems to me like that’s those are bs talking points and total non factors.
@@tarheel7406 Not sure what you mean by de facto #2. Also I’m not trying to argue if the SEC needs or wants FSU/Clemson. Only that those two reasons sound like bs and don’t seem to be real actual factors in the decision considering they always have multiple teams that are just that.
They can’t and refuse to do so. They somehow think that ESPN, who Brett pointed out, is currently paying $30M for FSU and every other ACC school, is gonna throw bags of cash for more expansion. Why would they agree to pay a penny more for them in the Big12? On top of the fact they’ve tried to drag ESPN through the mud. The B1G also doesn’t have to pay any more either. So the Big12’s options are to find another tv partner, private equity, or every Big12 schools takes a pay cut to add FSU and Clemson.
It's my understanding that the SEC deal has a full pro rata for staggered +2 waves; however, the BIG12 used its 4 pro rata slots and the B1G only has pro rata for named additions (e.g. ND).
@eujr4SC well if they can't and refuse to do so , that makes Brett's stance on the two leagues being maxed out is not valid. Can't a refuse to do are oxymorons . The same as the two leagues saying that they don't want FSU OR CLEMSON at the same time saying if the ACC collapses they will be forced to take these teams is what Brett said?
@@JamesJONES-ob4hv Sorry I meant “they” in the sense of Big12/conference realignment crazed folks that think the ACC is going to imminently collapse, can’t explain how that would happen if ESPN controls a majority of their tv deal and Fox a minority. Brett pretty much said what does ESPN gain by paying more for FSU in the Big12 if they are already paying $30M for them in the ACC. The other conferences don’t have to take them and the B1G and SEC right now are taking the stance they won’t expand unless the ACC entirely falls apart. Which at this point is unlikely unless 8 other schools join FSU and Clemson in voiding the current grant of rights. Something a good chunk of ACC schools would not benefit to agree to do.
Than. Because you need a conference to get games these days because of TV viewership rights. If league teams get eight or nine conference games, the only openings less are home game cupcakes and a week one neutral venue and/or their rivalry week game. That old home-and-home thing is slowly dissolving for the big programs.
@@Knightowl1980 nah... Everything is rumors at this point. People putting the cart before the horse. FSU is focused on the lawsuit and the upcoming season. No one will know true intentions until the suit is done.
@@bryanprice6913 Rumors? These reporters and analysts aren't reporting what they are hearing around their own offices. They are reporting what relevant conference insiders with high positions are saying directly to the reporters. FSU and CLEMSON's dec judgment requests are actually a bit late. Claims related to the CAL+2 expansion are premature. FSU's claims accusing the ACC of misdeeds were foolish.
@@tarheel7406 oh please..no one knows what going on.all these "insider" tips might not even be true. Also, in hindsight adding those new schools was the ACC way of lessening the blow when teams do leave. Why else would they add teams that bring no value to the ACC to have to share an already limited revenue.
@@jermainemouzon4909 a) All of the insiders have been consistent for 3 freakin' years! b) FSU will definitely be gone, but ~100% to the BIG12. c) CAL+2 was preemptive backfill and to sate ND. d) CAL+2 work for a managed decline to the Tier 2. As things stand, UNC/CLEMSON would go SEC; FSU to BIG12.
When you sue your current conference for a contract YOU agreed to, what does that tell prospective conferences about bringing you onboard? Plus, what do these two schools bring to the table?
Denial is necessary if the Big10 or SEC do not want litigation by the ACC and its remaining Schools. Each conference has to wait on Clemson or FSU to outright ask to join one or the other.
No conference can openly say they want FSU, Miami, Clemson etc. They would face legal action. Let’s see who’s interested in these programs the minute that they’re legally available.
@@tarheel7406 thats the issue. UNC and Miami want out of the situation just as bad…they just weren’t willing to burn all bridges as well as taking on the financial fight to set the standard of cost to leave the ACC early…it that is possible. With a 12 team playoff I’d rather Miami stay in the ACC…if you can’t finish Top 2 in the ACC you don’t deserve a playoff birth. As far as money goes…these school have multi-billion $ endowments…they can all afford to spend as much on football as it takes to have the level of program they desire.
@@adam-thesportsguy6147 While MIAMI is arguably the most responsible for the ACC's current situation, it hasn't barked or blamed others like FSU. From what I see, MIAMI has allied with ND for a future coattail effort to the B1G. Just let FSU continue to dig its own grave. FSU simply still doesn't see where it stands and how it's viewed. It ignored private and public warnings. Many news reports, analysts, and the CFP snub still hasn't gotten through. Amazing, a cautionary tale.
@@tarheel7406it's called leverage, they want a discount I'm sure FSU & Clem knows what happened between USC/UCLA get full payment vs Ore/Wash who had to take less money right after say the exact same sh!t "not interested in" Ore/Wash and the B12 is something someone purposely leaked for leverage..all these gears and levers are being pulled behind the scenes but I all but guarantee nobody @ those 2 pulled this trigger without prior knowledge of how this is gonna shake out pre lawsuit.
@@cgiii2440 The denial is amazing. The B1G would have preferred WASH/ORE wait out in a Tier 2 PAC or BIG12. The P2 don't care where C/F wait things out. CLEMSON and FSU are disposable to the SEC/B1G. FSU is desperate, so it is throwing a Hail Mary. CLEMSON is smarter and is the face of a joint litigation effort with UNC in exchange for a coattail.
The money to the Big 12 would only work if: A: ESPN was able to draw down on ACC contract at the "look in" due to FSU/Clemson exit. B: Private equity paid off the exit fees and ESPN/FOX was happy to pay the current 30+M Big 12 rate for FSU/Clemson. C: Yormark was able to use the ADs to use the Allstate money to boost the yearly takes for FSU/Clemson as he awaits the CFP look in. Big 12 is realistic. It is a slow walking up the ladder to the 3rd by any means necessary. At some point that likely still doesn't matter as it may be just the 2 owning all the pieces but for the foreseeable future ESPN/FOX has no desire to pay more schools 80+ M. Big 12 is smart to make themselves that 50-60M tier 2 option. That could last 20+ years or 2. Depends a lot on when more big money gets into sports programming: Amazon or Apple go all in??
How can ESPN draw down an already way under market deal? Remember that the following conference got ~$30M per: WVU (small state low prestige flag) CINCY (G5) UCF (G5) BYU (special/unique P5 remainder equivalent) HOUSTON (G5) IOWAST (low population state #2) KSTATE (low population state #2) OKSTATE (low population state #2, solid overall sports) KANSAS (vanilla flag, blue basketball) TCU (G5 equivalent) BAYLOR (G5 equivalent) TXTECH (G5 equivalent)
If any acc teams join the big ten they will have to pay back UMD about $80 million before being approved . Umd had to pay 30 million to leave and the acc screwed scheduling over the last year. If more than one are admitted they can split it between them. That was money they took from UMD and now they are asking UMD not to veto them so it’s just fair to return the money plus interest .
@@mikemclendon4962 It’s not 1978 anymore, Einstein. You can’t survive that way financially anymore, unless you are Notre Dame and have your own network TV contract and spot in the playoff. Miami and the Criminoles aren’t going to get that.
They said they didn't want Oregon and Washington , until it was clear the Pac was breaking up so its comparing apples and orages FSU and Clemson would have to leave first to get an invitation because the Big10 dont want to tear up another confrence. In the Pac Colorado leaving was not enough for them to know the Pac was breaking up, but the moment the Arizonas jumped ship they knew the Pac was not going to make it so they invited Wash and Oregon, And thats what they are saying here unless they know the ACC is breaking up they will not be putting out invitations, Its very interesting to see how this plays out
Both the SEC and Big Ten have to be careful about the legal ramifications of trying to "steal" a team from another intact conference. My guess is that once Clemson / FSU / any other ACC team leaves, then the picture will change.
It is not a wonder that private equities are getting involved in this one. They are not an athletic conference that is tax-exempt. Private Equities are very much for profit and they will seek controlling interest in the schools.
Thanks for the information. I do hate the idea that a school might want to destroy a conference because it really means harming other schools and the lives of players, coaches, and countless people interested in those schools.
FSU first choice was to stay in ACC, they didn’t want to pay more leaving FSU no options. Sorry but we are you making 50 mil less than the comp per year you aren’t competing for long. Blame the chase for $ for destroying college football.
@@JesseY-if7iz Unequal distributions is a long-term poison. Asking conferences members to invest more in football while taking away resources doesn't work very well. FSU and its fans still don't get it. Everyone understands why FSU needs to move if the ACC can't close the revenue gap. It's how FSU has gone about things.
Problem is that FSU and Clemson don't add revenue to the SEC. I'm a gamecock fan and would love to add clemson. Make the palmetto bowl a conference rivalry. FSU has been so disruptive I don't think anyone will be receptive to having them come in. I don't see either one will be in SEC since they are already in the footprint. SEC would probably take unc or ncstate and UVA or VA tech. Whichever 2 they could get for the added revenue.
This is an opinion…. The important part is what isn’t being said. Commissioners of these conferences aren’t speaking in absolutes but are expressing possibilities in their language. Do you seriously think discussions aren’t being had with conference heads (back channels)? Click bait Baby! Remember B1G didn’t want Oregon and Washington, years back. Don’t be fooled.
Because consolidation of big brands into the next big thing is what needs to happen... smu, boston college, wake forest, Pittsburgh and a few others can be left behind
@@jk3053 SMU is sadly being overlooked. They have deep pockets and will be able to out recruit as well due to location. Sad really, because with NIL there is a place for them to get to the 3rd best ACC team. Resources, fertile recruiting ground, deep NIL pockets and boosters
What he says about FSU is true. They are a destructive team. The orange bowl was a perfect example. They’re a money team. All their talent goes through money and will not deliver on bowl and conference games when no one wants to play because “there is nothing in it for them”.
@@gordono672 I get that opinions vary on this, but come on. This was after all of those players were told that everything that sacrificed and accomplished that season was meaningless because Nick Saban needed another chance to win a national title. This was kind of a special case, don't you think? Literally everyone on the team played in the Cheez-It bowl the year before.
Well if you had an entire team of seniors who all came back to win a title and the channel your bowl game is on was the responisible party for screwing you out of the playoff you might view it differently
Lmao at thinking the SEC or B1G don't want FSU or Clemson or both....thats what they're supposed to say. The money is talking to who it needs to talk to right now and Brett's not on the list. It's not IF the ACC blows up it's WHEN and Brett knows that much, that's why he keeps using that senario to caveat his clickbait.
The SEC is not dumb enough to let the two best teams from the second best football conference. The B!G hasn’t won a national title without cheating in 20yrs. sankey wants the SEC to stay regional. As on as the legal stuff is over, there will be an announcement.
If the SEC or Big 10 were looking to add FSU and Clemson, these leaks would not come from them. You don't besmirch the reputation of a future member with these rumors. You also don't allow the other Power 2 conference to say "like the stories said, we didn't want them because it didn't make financial sense and their broken relationships, etc etc". Anyone who works in marketing knows the 5 to 1 PR rule to rebuild a reputation. Your membership reflects your conference's image and you wouldn't trash that of a future member's.
Yeah... so before they invite a school, they drag their name through the trash? A conference's membership reflects their image and the SEC or Big 10 wouldn't besmirch that of a future member's.
I don’t think Clemson is big enough tbh. Small school with minimal history. When Dabo leaves, Clemson won’t be a big value add. North Carolina and FSU are the big money makers and any conference would want them. I’d put the Virginia schools over Clemson
FSU is most valuable with as a package deal. You’ll have a hard time making me believe that the B1G would turn down the recruiting footprint expansion into Florida as well as the historic rivalry.
Clemson has: Metro Area = 850,000; Alumni = 176,000; Fortune 1000 Sponsors = 6; Average TV Rating 3.08 million viewers. Meanwhile Florida State has: Metro Area = 350,000; Alumni = 400,000; Fortune 1000 Sponsors =20; & Average TV Rating 3.17 million viewers. That does NOT cut it!
Acc will survive. It’s in the interest of the Big Ten and SEC for the acc to survive. Unc and Uva are trapped by their larger brothers NC state and VT that won’t tolerate being left in a 2nd rate conference. Also those schools aren’t huge flagships and have smaller alumni populations. Not a fit for the Big Ten.
UVA and UNC both passed on the B1G during the realignment that ended with MD and RUT. The B1G has reached its highwater mark unless it effectively and heavily expands south.
The SEC and B10 have created a situation where they outpace everyone for the dollar and were about to pay players out of that pot. So they've created pro football in college and they're keeping Northwestern and Vandy in their leagues. So if FSU and Clemson are "disruptive" it's because of the situation they created.
Huh?! The Big Ten marketed itself and created large alumni bases and created its own network so it could demand top dollar. It is not, was not the Big Ten's responsibility to lookout for the ACC's media deal. The ACC made their bed. The ACC poached the Big East. Destroyed the Big East. Texas destroyed the Big 12. Now you are blaming the Big Ten?
@Brett_McMurphy - With all due respect to the Hoos, Virginia is NOT the main university in the Commonwealth of Virginia ... especially when it comes to football. Does the SEC really want a university with a consistent 3-8 season record that has a hard time filling 40% of their stadium?
@tcllie2211 all of UVa sports as a whole make a great deal of money. so not only that is intriguing, so is there political clot. And international presence as a high academic university any conferance would crave.
SEC doesn't want FSU or Clemson because they have Florida and South Carolina? They had Texas A&M as well, but that didn't stop them from adding the Texas Longhorns.
So, can ACC people tell me if the Swofford book cooking thing was true or not? It isn't "disruptive" if it is true. I don't follow the ACC that closely, was it true?
Neither are Bluebloods..there's only 7.. having a good few years doesn't make you BB. Alabama, Notre Dame, Ohio st, Michigan, Oklahoma ,Texas, USC.. These are the true BBs..these are what draws eyes.. Clemson- Fl st is in the next tier down along teams like Penn st, Tennessee, Georgia, LSU, Washington, Miami, Florida and a handful more, then everyone else basically..FYI, Nebraska was always considered a BB, some still may have them there but theyve been bad so long and doesn't look like they will ever recover like Texas has..so they're in next tier down..
@@mr.bigglesworthyoumagnific4281 So being finishing in the AP top 5 for 14 consecutive years, winning 3 national championships, winning a P5 countless times- not to mention a couple more championship game losses- you call that having a few good years?
How is Notre Dame a BB? They haven’t won a national title in 36 years. Texas is just now showing they are possibly on back on track? Michigan just now won their first national title since 97. FSU has a more recent national title than USC, Notre Dame, Texas, and Oklahoma and Ohio’s states most recent was 2014. FSU ran the 90’s. People are afraid that with Norvell, the name brand of FSU, and more money FSU will compete with anyone. FACTS
I do think the Big 10 only wants to take AAU schools. I believe allowing non-AAU schools to join would blemish the conference in the eyes of its current members. The SEC does not want Clemson or FSU - they add nothing to the conference - and the fans of those schools don’t want the Big 10. It’s hard for a southern fan base to get excited about any Big 10 school other than Michigan, Ohio State, or Penn State visiting for home games. And no Southern fan wants to travel to Big 10 country. Sorry Michigan State and Rutgers. UNC and Virginia are the prettiest girls at the dance for both conferences. Each school is AAU (Big 10) and brings with it new media markets. And for what it’s worth, the fans of neither of those schools cares that much about football, so traveling to the Midwest for away games is not an issue. Those fans don’t travel for football now.
I wonder if the B1G would have voted Oregon in if they knew Uncle Phil was going all out on an NIL offensive. I mean, think of Minnesota, Nebraska, Illinois, Northwestern, Purdue, Michigan State, Maryland, and Rutgers. Do they really want more competition? (On a side note… maybe they voted them in because they didn’t want USC alone because of a perceived threat to consolidate west coast talent in one place. After all, I assure you USC would have voted against Oregon if given the chance.) My point is that there ARE forces pushing back on unfettered expansion. This isn’t as simple as “just get all the good football schools.”
Yes. The B1G wants two teams that don’t care about football and would literally lose tens of millions of dollars a year. Guaranteed. They should check them out.
@@505premoto a) This is a forever decision. b) They wouldn't "literally lose tens of millions of dollars a year" in the expected future P2 world. Again, if your logic doesn't reconcile with reality, revisit your logic.
@Adam-pw4jt I see you are mainly looking at this from a fans perspective. Which doesn't fly. College Football has changed, Networks run the show now. And if Fox and the others want FSU & Clemson in the B1G Conference, well, they're going to get what they want. Besides the B1G said before, Not having an AAU Membership is NOT a deal breaker!
Amazing denial. Scanning down the referenced McMurphy article, he references or quotes: a) In general "university presidents, conference personnel, athletic directors, network executives and consultants" b) 3 SEC presidents These aren't the junior high rumors that FSU fans swallow daily. I do snicker at the idea suggested in the article of FSU ever being able to rally the ACC or a group of members to do anything. UNC is the crucial member for times like these, and ND always acts for its own interests only. FSU has wasted any ability it did have to so rally.
@@jasonbooth94 my initial point was mostly you might have SC over Clemson just because they’re already in the conference. It might not be that way if you started from scratch
WSU and OSU are in the MW, no network is offering them any contract to be independent, same thing will happen to fsu if they go independent. The P3 schools won’t agree to play FSU if they independent which leads to athletes fleeing to bigger schools. ND is only valuable independent to NBC to get a big tv contract due to its national brand.
@@tarheel7406 great question, baseball and all the other Olympic sports will need to remain in ACC, ND is only affiliated to ACC so it can have its non revenue sport in ACC. Big10 only allows one non revenue sport affiliation for non members
We should only take them if it's even money. We don't need or want another Texas. We already have Utah. I wouldn't mind helping with exit fees. That would be ok but not uneven revenue sharing
Why would the SEC add Texas since they already had TAM? Same reason they’d add FSU and Clemson. Both are top 10 watched college football schools. Brett is just trying to get clicks
@@tarheel7406 both FSU and Clemson have won ALOT more over the last 30 years than Texas. Texas may have a lot of money but that doesn’t mean FSU or Clemson aren’t flagship school for their states
@@chrismead6757 a) Again, TEXAS is a flagship and has much more base and unique value than CLEMSON or FSU. b) Neither FSU nor CLEMSON are de facto state flagships. FLORIDA and USCAR are the respective flagships. CLEMSON seems to know, but FSU and its fans appear to remain ignorant of the fact that it isn't a top expansion priority.
This is just idiotic!!! FSU tried to do it the right way for years and is believe me FSU is what they say they are. They bring 👀 to new conference and according to the media contracts if they add new teams the conference will be compensated for each team added. Know your facts before you speak. 😅😅😅
I don't know why Clamsome stooped to FSU's level. Now they both are on this island that no one cares to rescue either of them and add a problem self serving team. When Miami beats them, FSU is no brand.
Brett McMurphy is completely missing the mark. OF COURSE this is what the Big Ten and SEC are saying!! It's what they HAVE to say!! Brett was 100% wrong about Oregon and UW and I would be willing to bet that he's ultimately 100% wrong about the Big Ten and SEC not wanting FSU and Clemson. When push comes to shove, matchups generate revenue and the cream of the crop of the ACC are FSU and Clemson. Are you telling me having them in the conference won't generate more revenue than Rutgers, Maryland, Purdue, Iowa, Minnesota, Illinois, Northwestern, Indiana, Wisconsin do, or SEC teams like Vanderbilt, Arkansas State, Kentucky do? It's just a joke when he says these TV networks are maxed out in terms of spending. If there is more revenue to be made, there is more money to spend! FSU and Clemson will have landing spots. It may not be full share, but they will 100% have a spot in the P2. Bad take Brett
Maybe he had an anecdotal coincidence and only talked to people who were unnecessarily cautious. If the ADs or presidents had just said that FSU and Clemson would be good additions without saying that they were going to pursue adding them, that would just be their opinions.
Vandy doesn’t really count. Kentucky is the prime SEC basketball program but I think the hardest thing is FSU would be middle of the SEC in revenue. The biggest thing is not that FSU might bring more money than someone like Arkansas but you’re probably cost everyone else more money because you’re splitting the money with at least 1 more team.
@@joshg1529 Why doesn’t Vandy Count? Sure, I will concede that the SEC may value having a highest tier basketball program over maximizing profit in which case it would be great to see more examples of not maximizing profit in college sports- that would be great for the fans in certain cases. I don't know if FSU and Clemson don't add enough to the SEC to make everyone's share bigger.
@@gordono672 it was mostly a joke about Vandy. They’re just known to be the outlier. They would have to make it when teams make enough money for teams to feel like they’re worth adding and I’m not sure if espn would give them more money.
@@joshg1529 OK, I get it in regards to Vandy 😉. It's an interesting intersection where these schools sometimes are loyal to each other, but the lure of better media deals gets in the way of that.
@@tarheel7406 ESPN can negate the contract after this season. No they don’t survive. Any UNC fan should know this and know UNC is out if Clemson and FSU are out.
@@leewilliams6354 Why would ESPN not renew a deal that yields Tier 1 content at a Tier 2 price? Why would the ACC invite CAL+2 sans ESPN approval and assurances?
@@tarheel7406 You obviously don’t know what you are talking about. It will be a tier 2 price for less than tier 2 games once the two teams that bring all the viewers leave.
@@tarheel7406 Name a single tier one guaranteed prime time game that doesn’t involve Clemson or FSU in conference. I’ll wait to laugh at your response.
This is the beginning of the Power 2
close...its actually the beginning of the end of the Power 2.
Finally a dose of reality.
3 rings for each school. That’s reality
In a 2 team playoff! Lol! Committee.! The national championship has been a joke for my whole life! And I am old! @RoscoPColtrane17
@@joelpead2687 Lol, so all of history doesn’t count until the criteria meets your approval? IQ much?
Haha .... as an NCSU fan and grad, I genuinely love this FSU and Clempson angst 😂😂
SEC: we don't want FSU, they are too disruptive...
Texas: yeah, we don't want disruptive members here in the good ol' SEC. *Sings Kumbiya*
FSU isn't TEXAS, which handled its move to the SEC correctly.
@@tarheel7406 Texas doesn't have a "sunshine" law.
@@trclark7689 All states have some form of "sunshine law".
That FSU didn't leverage exceptions and workarounds as expected in this industry is yet another of its problems. Earlier, it was disclosed that FSU secretly entered into agreements with PE, including a non-disclosure. It has been claimed that FSU has signed a non-disclosure with the BIG12 (I suppose actually third parties).
A "sunshine law" may be a legal defense for any FSU disclosures, but it won't be an excuse that yields a P2 invite.
Texas is a blue blood who came with another blue blood Oklahoma, they offer more, and didn't sue their conference like FSU because their temper tantrum over their UCF SOS and regretting signing a shitty deal. Not to mention the tv contracts already being negotiated and the fact that the SEC already has SC/FL markets while diluting the shares more without adding the OKC/OK market.
Tarheel you comment on all these same type of threads, how about YOUR school stop hiding in the shadows riding FSU & Clem coattails and just leave the ACC too. It's no secret UNC, Mia and few others all want out too but they are letting FSU take all the arrows while we all know the rest of the viable teams want out too
They said they didn’t want Oregon and Washington right before they added Oregon and Washington.
I don't recall seeing that.
I don't think the B1G wanted WASH/ORE at that time and were effectively forced to take prematurely.
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BS Tar!! If they didn’t want them, they wouldn’t have invited them!!! It’s that simple.
They both bring top 15 ranking for the most watched teams in the country. That is why they WANTED them!!!
Feelings still hurt?
@@jimedick9496 Sorry, but the B1G rejected WASH/ORE several times after the USC/UCLA news, there was no pro rata in place for the pair, etc. Flugar even stated that the plan was to consider at the next media deal. Something happened to cause the B1G to invite earlier than planned. I maintain that unexpected PAC incompetence put W/O in distress and that UNC swung to heavily favor the SEC.
There is currently no evidence that W/O have tier 1 value since no network has yet agreed to pay Tier 1 value. We have lots of evidence that W/O have less than Tier 1 value.
The SEC and B1G are waiting on UNC, as they have for years if not decades. Why would my feelings be involved?
You will have to do better.
They only took them after it was clear that the Pac was dead
The winds are trending towards both schools and ESPN reaching a settlement to remain in the ACC for more money.
CLEMSON can back down, but it would take a miracle for FSU. Could be a last chance to get rid of FSU, ND to join in full, and get a high enough media deal.
I highly doubt that settlement would be enough to make up to what the schools in the BIG/SEC will be getting.
@@jermainemouzon4909 Unless ESPN/ACC agrees to unequal revenue sharing.
Those people screwed FSU out of the playoff. They are gone come hell or high water.
@@tarheel7406 Wow. You are really ruined by FSU. ND is not going to join the ACC. They did in 2020 and immediately backed out. UNC is probably stuck there, though.
I’m guessing ESPN is behind the scenes working out what they think will benefit their profits most
Fsu didn't ask the ag to get involved
The AG is UF grad lol
Where's the #1 Mascot, Cosmo??? 😀
FSU had an opportunity to come to the SEC, Fla didn’t want them in, Bob Bowden didn’t want to play in the SEC.
Clemson had their run as the “Texas” of the ACC, USCarolina doesn’t want them in, don’t think D Sweeney wants to be in the SEC either.
I’m sure Sweeney would dig the SEC. Otherwise, you’re on point.
One might scratch their head about how USC got into the SEC instead of Clemson… at least in today’s terms. (Can’t remember if Clemson was in trouble with the NCAA at the time). On the other hand, sometimes a conference membership needs a loyal partner that does NOT win all their games.
That was some ex-post-facto happy talk from Bobby to look on the bright side. Believe me, he wanted in the SEC BAD. And in the 90s, in Bobby's heyday, FSU would have run the SEC.
My friend Thanks for sharing this
You lighted my heart
What would change the temperature in the water.... nothing. That's massive. Good reporting by Brett and the 365 team all around. Keep it up!
Same goobers who said Big10 wasn’t taking Oregon and Washington
Actually, Brett said for a year that the Big 10 wanted Oregon and Washington.
The big 10 always wanted Washington and Oregon, especially Washington’s academic reputation and billion dollars it spends on research and development.
@@JS-cu3mv and yet all the reports beforehand including by Brett were Big10 not taking em
@@seminoleboy96 Two things appear to have happened to change B1G's interest in WASH/ORE:
a) Unexpected PAC incompetence resulting in W/O in severe distress.
b) UNC swinging to heavily favor the SEC, UVA going dark.
Cope. UW/UO came at discounted rates, added new recruitng grounds, it was before the tv contract negotiations, and they didn't sue their own conference due to a temper tantrum over a UCF level 55th SOS after turning down an invite to a stronger conference when it benefited them more
Why is it that all of these so called experts and podcasters forget that the NC legislature has tied UNC and NC State together with regard to any move. The legislature is controlled by eastern NC which is N C State's primary fanbase.
How can one forget something untrue?
People in Oklahoma said the same thing about Oklahoma and Oklahoma State. Almost all of those state-tied rivalries are bull. I know the state of Alabama made the Iron Bowl come back after decades, but that's the only one I know of for sure.
@GoHawgs1987 NC State and UNC have been around longer than Oklahoma has been a state. So there's that. Plus...they don't have to be in same conference. They just have to get approval to leave.
@@GoHawgs1987 state politics vary wildly. NC college sports are extremely political. The NC Board of Governors has to approve any conference moves for in-state schools. That board is currently controlled by NC State graduates, which obviously imposes a problem for UNC leaving. There are already political qualms in the board focused on not approving a move for UNC unless NC State also gets a home in a new conference.
The bill I referred to passed committee but has not yet made it to the floor. What you say about the Board of Governors is true.
😭Who did you you talk to? We heard Oklahoma/Texas would never be in the SEC but here we are. The same can be said for Oregon/Washington in the BIG yet here they are. At the end of the day no one knows what's going on behind the scenes no matter who you talk to. If something was going down why would they let it out the bad prematurely.
Of course, people from the Big Ten or SEC are going to say they don’t want Florida State and Clemson, they have to because they’re still in the ACC
If the SEC or Big 10 were looking to add FSU and Clemson, these leaks would not come from them. You don't besmirch the reputation of a future member with these rumors. You also don't allow the other Power 2 conference to say "like the stories said, we didn't want them because it didn't make financial sense and their broken relationships, etc etc". Anyone who works in marketing knows the 5 to 1 PR rule to rebuild a reputation. Your membership reflects your conference's image and you wouldn't trash that of a future member's.
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Based off what
@@graysonganoosh2437
... Right so who are the sources? No one knows
This is the silliest point I hear... no they do not have to say that.
This is all off the record stuff.
Could their interest change?? Of course, but nothing prevents them from saying they'd be interested if they were free of the ACC.
This is PAC 12 level copium.
Yes it do
Good morning! Love ya and so happy for all your success
So, the P64 who's leaving the NCAA...the new "G5" coalition/playoffs.....and the B12/ACC by themselves maybe playing each other? Good luck with that B12/ACC.... when the faculty and fans come to grips with reality we would love to have you in the "G5" coalition/playoff.
Why would the teams in the Big 10 or SEC take a pay cut to add FSU or Clemson? I do believe that they get in after the current media deals end.
(Big 10) The media deal will be renegotiated to encompass both schools & I believe they will get the Oregon / Washington deal that starts at $_____ & grows by $5 million per year until the media deal ends and then the NEXT deal will be the same for all schools, but I think they will be better off replacing Texas / Oklahoma in the Big 12.
@@HawkYounkinsThe BIG doesn't want to add them due to AAU and the fact that if they could stab them in the back when given the chance for a better deal by the SEC they would. The SEC already has FL/SC markets which offers nothing more to tv contract negotiations and dilutes the share per school, in short, cope.
@PurpleHazeVanNederlands FSU & Clemson would never stab the B1G Conference in the back because of money. The B1G Conference makes the most money. It's a Nationwide Conference now! SEC is only regional. Which will always mean the B1G will always make more money! As far as the AAU membership, that's not a top priority anymore. Not having an AAU Membership will not keep teams out of the B1G Conference. That came right out of the mouth of the B1G Conference Commissioner.
Correct. FSU and Clemson will have to hold out until there's a P2 (32 team) realignment.
@@OSU_Buckeyes Last year the B1G made 880M and the SEC made 853M. That's a 3% difference...
This will never stop. The best schools in the Pac 12, Big 12 and ACC either got out or are looking to get out for greener pastures. Let's say Georgia wins 5 straight national titles. What then? No conference is good enough for Georgia and they go independent? As long as humans fall victim to greed and entitlement this thing never stops.
I think their main problem was they needed to work their exit behind the scenes. When the others schools left, they didn’t announce it before they had another invite from another conference. Forcing an exit without an invite loses any leverage they would have to get into a better conference. Also for the Big 12, why add FSU after they are trying to burn down the ACC which means they would do the same thing to the Big 12.
That's exactly what Texas did.
Nobody wanted FSU after that 63-3 Orange Bowl debacle. They're third tier brands and will stay there.
@@CarlaJenkinsTVanother room temp IQ Buckeye fan. Remind me how you did in your meaningless bowl game.
@@ToddRobinson13brother...Texas and Oklahoma were going to leave when their Big 12 deal was up. They ended up negotiating an exit for 1 year earlier. The ACC deal goes until 2036. The situations are COMPLETELY different. The penalty + grant of rights to leave the ACC is $500,000,000. And the ACC wants their money. The other conferences don't want to get dragged into a lawsuit. Of course, to the public, they're saying all the right things until this lawsuit gets settled.
Texas and Oklahoma paid $100M COMBINED to leave the Big 12. FSU and Clemson, if they lose the lawsuit, would have to pay $500M EACH to leave the ACC. And you think they just decided to bounce without an offer in hand...dude, think about it. These are multi-billion dollar organizations with huge political influence. They ain't flying by the seat of their pants.
Have u talked to like less than 100 ppl? Bc plenty want Clemson and fsu in or atleast one of em lol and it would benefit both programs greatly financially and it would also give them a toughness test and truly see how well they stack up against the top tier programs in that conference more often
The reporting is that the SEC and B1G have no interest in FSU and CLEMSON, not the reverse.
Seems to be a timing issue. FSU & Clemson want to be out of the ACC yesterday, while the P2 have each freshly expanded and would prefer to wait before adding even more members.
Whenever you read about the B1G not wanting FSU or the SEC not wanting Clemson, add the words "right now" to the end of the sentence. If the Big-12 is able to be a temporary home to bridge that gap then it could be a win-win.
Both the SEC and B1G would immediately invite UVA and UNC when either is both willing and able to accept. It's not a timing issue other than ND, UVA & UNC have to move first before the SEC/B1G will consider CLEMSON/FSU.
CLEMSON seems to know its place while FSU doesn't and has been reckless.
@@tarheel7406 Not at all, but keep repeating the same inane bullshit on every (and I mean EVERY) FSU related video if that's what suits you.
@@JesseDouglas456 If FSU and its fans can't accept the realities after all of the reporting, the CFP snub, and this recent brutal article, then FSU will never make the P2 Tier 1 cut.
@@tarheel7406 The reality is that FSU will absolutely be in one of the P2 conferences in the near future. My point above is that you CLEARLY have an obsession with all things FSU, as I see you making the same comments on every video, pretending you have some sort of inside information and ignoring the way that conference realignment has always played out in the past.
The fact that you deliberately seek out FSU content, while NO ONE cares that much about UNC, should tell you all you need to know about who really moves the needle.
@@JesseDouglas456
a) If the SEC and B1G are only going to 20 max in the near future, how would FSU get an invite?
b) I am obsessed with this overall realignment story and how FSU has likely become a cautionary tale.
c) I have never claimed inside info, I just reconcile the available evidence.
d) Further realignment largely hinges on UNC, as the B1G and SEC are waiting on it and ND.
If this was UVA and UNC there would not be any controversy because those 2 conferences want to be there at those states. Also ND is still a factor in this and yet no mention of them. 🧐
Neither UVA nor UNC would go scorched earth.
Those schools have way, way more class.
@@graysonganoosh2437
Only going scorched earth because the ACC wouldn't budge on payouts. Even the commissioner stated recently that losing FSU and Clemson will lose the ACC 200m. Well if you're going to lose 200m, it's time to get your conference together to come up with a solution to pay both Clemson and FSU near 50/60m a year and everyone else gets the leftovers. If the best the conference commissioner can do is get scraps, then the non big powers like Wake Forest, Virginia, GT, etc etc can all eat scraps
@@brandonringer7592 Typical nonsense. Unequal distributions are a fatal poison. Your expectation and demand is one of the reasons FSU will end up in the BIG12.
@@tarheel7406FSU fans have acted exactly how I thought they would after the CFP committee wasn't impressed by their UCF 2017 level 55th SOS vs Alabama top 3 SOS/ Texas top 5 SOS and didn't want a repeat of UGA-TCU. Notice how none of the r/cfb casual fans mention Liberty being "screwed" because deep down they know SOS matters and turned down the SEC when SOS mattered less during poll era.
I get why the SEC doesn't want Florida State and Clemson but it seems like a dream for the Big 10 to have two schools in SEC country.
@7:37 Slight correction- the reason this all started was FSU wanted unequal distribution **after** the SEC/Big 10 started getting crazy money. Things would be a bit more understandable and FSU seen as less of a bad partner if this had been a long simmering issue the fact is FSU and Clemson had no issues until the SEC/Big 10 deals blew up and that is why others are/should be wary of them.
Great point.
Not true at all. FSU was the last hold out on this crappy media rights deal and was basically forced to sign it or be screwed. Also a lot of promises regarding money were made in the media rights deal that have not been fulfilled. All will come to light. FSU wanted to stay in ACC but impossible to compete there with revenue gaps so large. Don’t see how they are the bad guys in this case.
Great video
FSU had the chance to join the SEC in early 90s. Them and Miami were offered and said no. SEC got South Carolina and Arkansas.
That was then.
Round 2, FSU was rejected by Florida who had original member rights
@@52778mrtNow the offer isn't on the table
It’s was all about Acc basketball back then . Times have changed drastically since 1991.
They also had another chance to go to the big 12 with Texas as Oklahoma and they snubbed that as well.
Likely a big pause here because P2 can only get so big. I think Big Ten has appetite to go bigger but SEC unlikely to go above 20. Fewer teams if interest to them. Therefore, B1G needs to stay similar or lose per school money to SEC peers because pie can only be do big. Also, the P2 has been at 12 core members the longest. Do they want new teams to outnumber old ones? I bet 12 teams per conference have thoughts there
I can definitely see the SEC not rreally caring about those schools, but the B1G is not going to turn down getting a footprint in Florida and South Carolina. That's SEC country. Plus, there are a bunch of fans of B1G teams that live in both states.
Sorry you are wrong. Average Big Ten TV Rating 5.94 million viewers. Clemson Average TV Rating 3.08 million. Florida State Average TV Rating 3.17 million viewers. - Nielsen Ratings. As for advertisers Average Big Ten state has 37 Fortune 1000 companies, while South Carolina has just 6, and Florida State (northern half) has 20. Both Clemson & Florida State are smaller markets with smaller fan bases.
@@gregorybiestek3431 FSU was 9th in the country last year in Neilson viewership at 4.16 million.
@@justinmanies23505.38 actually 7th most in the known universe
Brett is stating all his opinion...
He's quoting (albeit unnamed) high level conference insiders.
@@tarheel7406
Hes stating his opinion.... He's not getting his opinion from SEC or Big10 commissioners who have to distance themselves due to lawsuits from the ACC for tampering. Even the excuses given are nonsense since 1. USC, and Texas were more disruptive. 2. They won't touch FSU but picked up Washington and Oregon, neither are ahead of viewership and revenue over FSU. 3. Neither Texas or anyone from the PAC had to pay a 600m extortion fee to leave the conference. It was a sub 200m fee which the SEC paid off Texas and OUs
@@brandonringer7592 FSU fan denial is amazing.
a) One may can't express desire, but they also don't have to be negative.
b) USC and TEXAS handled this in the correct, upper right manner.
c) WASH/ORE have higher relative value than FSU from the B1G perspective.
d) The barriers to leave seem irrelevant to attractiveness notwithstanding.
@@tarheel7406
It's not denial... The Big 12, albeit media rights deal ends earlier, makes less then the ACC .. this makes no sense. The ACC states they will lose 200m between both FSU and Clemson then FSU and Clemson could make somewhere in the ball park of 50/60m being independent... FSU would already have Miami, Clemson, and Florida on a schedule. Add a Notre Dame and 4 more schools then you have a descent P5 schedule and could easily pull in a higher fee then the ACC
@@brandonringer7592
a) It's denial of the lack of SEC/B1G interest in FSU.
b) The ACC is already managing its decline to the Tier 2 and assuming UNC, CLEMSON & FSU will leave. To where isn't that relevant.
c) Your math isn't that simple. Synergies matter. The high value alumni bases in the ACC matter. FSU and CLEMSON aren't worth that much as an indy.
d) You think ND will schedule FSU or CLEMSON out of conference after leaving?
Only the BIG12 would likely accept FSU's other sports, and why would they unless FSU came in as a full?
Sorry, but FSU and CLEMSON were always seen as disposable to the SEC/B1G. FSU thought way too highly of itself and made poor decisions based on that false belief. All the decision makers know that it was warned but ignored.
Brett McMurphy being an Oklahoma State grad comes off as a little biased. If he was a North Carolina State grad, for instance, he would be singing a different tune.
I might be stupid but if university presidents from the SEC and Big go on record and say we want FSU or Clemson ain't that tampering?
Correct they cant show interest until the legal hurdles are cleared
Doesn’t the Big 12 have an option to bring in a third network if they add more teams and FOX and ESPN aren’t willing to pay more?
I believe you're correct, but it really limits which games the new network would have the rights to air. I believe it would be limited to the 4th or 5th pick every week, not rotating for the 1st pick with ESPN & Fox, and not 3rd in line either.
@@CouzsCornerSports You think that would go over well with the existing networks? I sincerely think otherwise.
@@PCSPounder i have not heard or read anything any differant on them having a statement in any contract that prohibits the big12 from asking a third network to come in. So it would not surprise me to see someone else come into the bakery to grab the pie that much bigger.
i put this under the wrong person so sorry for it being twice.
Couz, I have not heard or read anything any differant on them having a statement in any contract that prohibits the big12 from asking a third network to come in. So it would not surprise me to see someone else come into the bakery to grab the pie that much bigger.
If this is all done around tv contracts you have to wait until the new contracts are going to be in place . Besides some teams are just not going to be wanted all the time , while some teams will. Expansion will be more selective in the future , some of that seems to be happening now .
Wait what!? Someone from the SEC says they don’t want FSU or Clemson because they already have uSC and UF? When they also have Bama and Auburn, vandy and UT, ole miss and Miss ST. Also they want to keep it regional? It doesn’t get anymore regional than FSU. It’s smack dab in the middle of UGA, UF, and Bama. I’m not an expert here but seems to me like that’s those are bs talking points and total non factors.
Outside of founders, when has the SEC added a #2 with the flag already secured? When has the B1G taken a de facto #2?
@@tarheel7406 Not sure what you mean by de facto #2. Also I’m not trying to argue if the SEC needs or wants FSU/Clemson. Only that those two reasons sound like bs and don’t seem to be real actual factors in the decision considering they always have multiple teams that are just that.
@@TurboNFRStwoKHe means non-flagship school, the only tine they did that was ATM when they couldn't get Texas/Oklahoma at the time.
Plus fsu and clemson bring millions more views than uf or sc
@@TurboNFRStwoKdont listen to tarheel he is not all their mentally
So if the Networks are maxed out how would they be able to pay for more teams if the Acc implodes 🤔 please somebody answer that for me?
They can’t and refuse to do so. They somehow think that ESPN, who Brett pointed out, is currently paying $30M for FSU and every other ACC school, is gonna throw bags of cash for more expansion. Why would they agree to pay a penny more for them in the Big12? On top of the fact they’ve tried to drag ESPN through the mud. The B1G also doesn’t have to pay any more either. So the Big12’s options are to find another tv partner, private equity, or every Big12 schools takes a pay cut to add FSU and Clemson.
It's my understanding that the SEC deal has a full pro rata for staggered +2 waves; however, the BIG12 used its 4 pro rata slots and the B1G only has pro rata for named additions (e.g. ND).
@eujr4SC well if they can't and refuse to do so , that makes Brett's stance on the two leagues being maxed out is not valid. Can't a refuse to do are oxymorons . The same as the two leagues saying that they don't want FSU OR CLEMSON at the same time saying if the ACC collapses they will be forced to take these teams is what Brett said?
@@JamesJONES-ob4hv Sorry I meant “they” in the sense of Big12/conference realignment crazed folks that think the ACC is going to imminently collapse, can’t explain how that would happen if ESPN controls a majority of their tv deal and Fox a minority. Brett pretty much said what does ESPN gain by paying more for FSU in the Big12 if they are already paying $30M for them in the ACC. The other conferences don’t have to take them and the B1G and SEC right now are taking the stance they won’t expand unless the ACC entirely falls apart. Which at this point is unlikely unless 8 other schools join FSU and Clemson in voiding the current grant of rights. Something a good chunk of ACC schools would not benefit to agree to do.
FSU & Clemson will most likely end up in the B1G Conference.
Why is no one talking about how FSU could make more being independent then being in the ACC...
FSU would have to find a television partner and one that's willing to produce their own content.
Than. Because you need a conference to get games these days because of TV viewership rights. If league teams get eight or nine conference games, the only openings less are home game cupcakes and a week one neutral venue and/or their rivalry week game. That old home-and-home thing is slowly dissolving for the big programs.
The BIG12 will have the leverage to say all sports or none.
That’s just crazy, that FSU would go through all this and not have a landing spot , I think they were too hasty in their lawsuit
@@Knightowl1980 nah... Everything is rumors at this point. People putting the cart before the horse. FSU is focused on the lawsuit and the upcoming season. No one will know true intentions until the suit is done.
@@bryanprice6913 oh I agree. I just like to discuss it, they’re not gonna risk tampering accusations either .
@@bryanprice6913 Rumors? These reporters and analysts aren't reporting what they are hearing around their own offices. They are reporting what relevant conference insiders with high positions are saying directly to the reporters.
FSU and CLEMSON's dec judgment requests are actually a bit late. Claims related to the CAL+2 expansion are premature. FSU's claims accusing the ACC of misdeeds were foolish.
@@tarheel7406 oh please..no one knows what going on.all these "insider" tips might not even be true. Also, in hindsight adding those new schools was the ACC way of lessening the blow when teams do leave. Why else would they add teams that bring no value to the ACC to have to share an already limited revenue.
@@jermainemouzon4909
a) All of the insiders have been consistent for 3 freakin' years!
b) FSU will definitely be gone, but ~100% to the BIG12.
c) CAL+2 was preemptive backfill and to sate ND.
d) CAL+2 work for a managed decline to the Tier 2.
As things stand, UNC/CLEMSON would go SEC; FSU to BIG12.
When you sue your current conference for a contract YOU agreed to, what does that tell prospective conferences about bringing you onboard? Plus, what do these two schools bring to the table?
Denial is necessary if the Big10 or SEC do not want litigation by the ACC and its remaining Schools.
Each conference has to wait on Clemson or FSU to outright ask to join one or the other.
Ye the same insiders are saying who they do want. You're in denial.
No conference can openly say they want FSU, Miami, Clemson etc. They would face legal action. Let’s see who’s interested in these programs the minute that they’re legally available.
They also don't need to speak negatively, which they did.
@@tarheel7406 thats the issue. UNC and Miami want out of the situation just as bad…they just weren’t willing to burn all bridges as well as taking on the financial fight to set the standard of cost to leave the ACC early…it that is possible. With a 12 team playoff I’d rather Miami stay in the ACC…if you can’t finish Top 2 in the ACC you don’t deserve a playoff birth. As far as money goes…these school have multi-billion $ endowments…they can all afford to spend as much on football as it takes to have the level of program they desire.
@@adam-thesportsguy6147 While MIAMI is arguably the most responsible for the ACC's current situation, it hasn't barked or blamed others like FSU. From what I see, MIAMI has allied with ND for a future coattail effort to the B1G. Just let FSU continue to dig its own grave.
FSU simply still doesn't see where it stands and how it's viewed. It ignored private and public warnings. Many news reports, analysts, and the CFP snub still hasn't gotten through. Amazing, a cautionary tale.
@@tarheel7406it's called leverage, they want a discount I'm sure FSU & Clem knows what happened between USC/UCLA get full payment vs Ore/Wash who had to take less money right after say the exact same sh!t "not interested in" Ore/Wash and the B12 is something someone purposely leaked for leverage..all these gears and levers are being pulled behind the scenes but I all but guarantee nobody @ those 2 pulled this trigger without prior knowledge of how this is gonna shake out pre lawsuit.
@@cgiii2440 The denial is amazing. The B1G would have preferred WASH/ORE wait out in a Tier 2 PAC or BIG12. The P2 don't care where C/F wait things out.
CLEMSON and FSU are disposable to the SEC/B1G. FSU is desperate, so it is throwing a Hail Mary. CLEMSON is smarter and is the face of a joint litigation effort with UNC in exchange for a coattail.
SEC has a clause in the media contract that if they add schools they will increase payout to pay for those schools!
Cause we got too much legal baggage .
The money to the Big 12 would only work if:
A: ESPN was able to draw down on ACC contract at the "look in" due to FSU/Clemson exit.
B: Private equity paid off the exit fees and ESPN/FOX was happy to pay the current 30+M Big 12 rate for FSU/Clemson.
C: Yormark was able to use the ADs to use the Allstate money to boost the yearly takes for FSU/Clemson as he awaits the CFP look in.
Big 12 is realistic. It is a slow walking up the ladder to the 3rd by any means necessary.
At some point that likely still doesn't matter as it may be just the 2 owning all the pieces but for the foreseeable future ESPN/FOX has no desire to pay more schools 80+ M.
Big 12 is smart to make themselves that 50-60M tier 2 option. That could last 20+ years or 2. Depends a lot on when more big money gets into sports programming: Amazon or Apple go all in??
How can ESPN draw down an already way under market deal? Remember that the following conference got ~$30M per:
WVU (small state low prestige flag)
CINCY (G5)
UCF (G5)
BYU (special/unique P5 remainder equivalent)
HOUSTON (G5)
IOWAST (low population state #2)
KSTATE (low population state #2)
OKSTATE (low population state #2, solid overall sports)
KANSAS (vanilla flag, blue basketball)
TCU (G5 equivalent)
BAYLOR (G5 equivalent)
TXTECH (G5 equivalent)
Oh wow! astounding
If any acc teams join the big ten they will have to pay back UMD about $80 million before being approved . Umd had to pay 30 million to leave and the acc screwed scheduling over the last year. If more than one are admitted they can split it between them. That was money they took from UMD and now they are asking UMD not to veto them so it’s just fair to return the money plus interest .
There are no vetoes for B1G expansion, and I doubt MAYLAND has much sway.
FSU , Miami , Notre Dame all were competitive as independents. And in the Hunt evey year . Imagine that.
@@mikemclendon4962 It’s not 1978 anymore, Einstein. You can’t survive that way financially anymore, unless you are Notre Dame and have your own network TV contract and spot in the playoff. Miami and the Criminoles aren’t going to get that.
They said they didn't want Oregon and Washington , until it was clear the Pac was breaking up so its comparing apples and orages FSU and Clemson would have to leave first to get an invitation because the Big10 dont want to tear up another confrence. In the Pac Colorado leaving was not enough for them to know the Pac was breaking up, but the moment the Arizonas jumped ship they knew the Pac was not going to make it so they invited Wash and Oregon, And thats what they are saying here unless they know the ACC is breaking up they will not be putting out invitations, Its very interesting to see how this plays out
Both the SEC and Big Ten have to be careful about the legal ramifications of trying to "steal" a team from another intact conference. My guess is that once Clemson / FSU / any other ACC team leaves, then the picture will change.
whats the next topic? its two months until football season
It is not a wonder that private equities are getting involved in this one. They are not an athletic conference that is tax-exempt. Private Equities are very much for profit and they will seek controlling interest in the schools.
The acc should expand west
Arizona state and Utah? They are not in anyway comparable to Florida State!
Thanks for the information. I do hate the idea that a school might want to destroy a conference because it really means harming other schools and the lives of players, coaches, and countless people interested in those schools.
That ship has sailed. Numerous schools have bolted the Big 12 since its beginning in the 90's.
FSU first choice was to stay in ACC, they didn’t want to pay more leaving FSU no options. Sorry but we are you making 50 mil less than the comp per year you aren’t competing for long. Blame the chase for $ for destroying college football.
@@JesseY-if7iz Unequal distributions is a long-term poison. Asking conferences members to invest more in football while taking away resources doesn't work very well.
FSU and its fans still don't get it. Everyone understands why FSU needs to move if the ACC can't close the revenue gap. It's how FSU has gone about things.
Problem is that FSU and Clemson don't add revenue to the SEC. I'm a gamecock fan and would love to add clemson. Make the palmetto bowl a conference rivalry. FSU has been so disruptive I don't think anyone will be receptive to having them come in. I don't see either one will be in SEC since they are already in the footprint. SEC would probably take unc or ncstate and UVA or VA tech. Whichever 2 they could get for the added revenue.
This is an opinion…. The important part is what isn’t being said. Commissioners of these conferences aren’t speaking in absolutes but are expressing possibilities in their language. Do you seriously think discussions aren’t being had with conference heads (back channels)? Click bait Baby! Remember B1G didn’t want Oregon and Washington, years back. Don’t be fooled.
Curious... For how long and by how many professionals must it be reported that CLEMSON and FSU are low expansion priorities for the SEC (and B1G)?
I'm back to saying NO to FSU.
Yormark should go after Clemson, Miami, Louisville & NCST.
Later revisit the best basketball brands.
Why would any ACC member move to the already Tier 2 BIG12 if FSU is the only member that leaves?
Because consolidation of big brands into the next big thing is what needs to happen... smu, boston college, wake forest, Pittsburgh and a few others can be left behind
@@jk3053
SMU is sadly being overlooked. They have deep pockets and will be able to out recruit as well due to location. Sad really, because with NIL there is a place for them to get to the 3rd best ACC team. Resources, fertile recruiting ground, deep NIL pockets and boosters
@@jk3053 The BIG12 is now all left behind schools.
Fsu brings more viewership money than all those schools combined
What he says about FSU is true. They are a destructive team. The orange bowl was a perfect example. They’re a money team. All their talent goes through money and will not deliver on bowl and conference games when no one wants to play because “there is nothing in it for them”.
That's a good point about how a lot of the best players didn't play in the Orange Bowl- an NY6 game against a top 6 team!
@@gordono672 I get that opinions vary on this, but come on. This was after all of those players were told that everything that sacrificed and accomplished that season was meaningless because Nick Saban needed another chance to win a national title. This was kind of a special case, don't you think? Literally everyone on the team played in the Cheez-It bowl the year before.
Well if you had an entire team of seniors who all came back to win a title and the channel your bowl game is on was the responisible party for screwing you out of the playoff you might view it differently
Clown take
If the ACC implodes, and Big 12 adds Miami, UL, VT, and NCST (and/or Pitt), thats a rock solid conference and this all becomes a P3. no more P2.
How does taking more P5 remainders at ~pro rata while the P2 get more valuable per member make the BIG12 a peer P3?
What is the difference between Oklahoma and Texas becoming traitors and the scene with Clemson and Florida State?
Oklahoma and Texas waited close to the end of their agreement with the Big 12 and then paid the exit fee. That's the difference.
The acc screwed its members
Lmao at thinking the SEC or B1G don't want FSU or Clemson or both....thats what they're supposed to say. The money is talking to who it needs to talk to right now and Brett's not on the list. It's not IF the ACC blows up it's WHEN and Brett knows that much, that's why he keeps using that senario to caveat his clickbait.
If my Noles Win it all we'll be able to go where ever we want Nobody is Brave enough to admit that
The SEC is not dumb enough to let the two best teams from the second best football conference. The B!G hasn’t won a national title without cheating in 20yrs. sankey wants the SEC to stay regional. As on as the legal stuff is over, there will be an announcement.
If the SEC or Big 10 were looking to add FSU and Clemson, these leaks would not come from them. You don't besmirch the reputation of a future member with these rumors. You also don't allow the other Power 2 conference to say "like the stories said, we didn't want them because it didn't make financial sense and their broken relationships, etc etc". Anyone who works in marketing knows the 5 to 1 PR rule to rebuild a reputation. Your membership reflects your conference's image and you wouldn't trash that of a future member's.
Yeah... so before they invite a school, they drag their name through the trash? A conference's membership reflects their image and the SEC or Big 10 wouldn't besmirch that of a future member's.
I don’t think Clemson is big enough tbh. Small school with minimal history. When Dabo leaves, Clemson won’t be a big value add. North Carolina and FSU are the big money makers and any conference would want them. I’d put the Virginia schools over Clemson
Clickbait lol
Brett McMurphy is a stunod. A nimbus.
This 🤡also said Washington and Oregon weren’t going to the Big 10. That aged nicely.
Who cares. Lets get back to football. Can't wait for the season. Whatever conference FSU is in will be interesting.
FSU is most valuable with as a package deal. You’ll have a hard time making me believe that the B1G would turn down the recruiting footprint expansion into Florida as well as the historic rivalry.
MIAMI doesn't need to package with FSU. In fact, FSU would be an anchor.
BIG added all the west coast power schools and pretty much none of the best Cali players in this year's class
Clemson has: Metro Area = 850,000; Alumni = 176,000; Fortune 1000 Sponsors = 6; Average TV Rating 3.08 million viewers. Meanwhile Florida State has: Metro Area = 350,000; Alumni = 400,000; Fortune 1000 Sponsors =20; & Average TV Rating 3.17 million viewers. That does NOT cut it!
@@tarheel7406 FSU is more valuable than Miami
@@mattperry5789 Not from the perspective of the B1G and ND.
*for now
“100% means all three coaches he talked to”
Acc will survive. It’s in the interest of the Big Ten and SEC for the acc to survive. Unc and Uva are trapped by their larger brothers NC state and VT that won’t tolerate being left in a 2nd rate conference. Also those schools aren’t huge flagships and have smaller alumni populations. Not a fit for the Big Ten.
UVA and UNC both passed on the B1G during the realignment that ended with MD and RUT. The B1G has reached its highwater mark unless it effectively and heavily expands south.
Everyone in the ACC is already trapped in a second rate conference.
@@robertmacgrogan5323 The ACC is #2 in athletic success (at least top-level). What would that make the B1G and even worse BIG12?
The big ten took the acc’s most valuable school and market area. The acc scurried around in abject panic and made their situation even worse.
@@jamieflynn9697 MARYLAND? You do know that UVA and UNC passed before the B1G settled with UMD and RUT, right?
Dude said he spoke to the whole world. This guy is making no type of sense
The SEC and B10 have created a situation where they outpace everyone for the dollar and were about to pay players out of that pot. So they've created pro football in college and they're keeping Northwestern and Vandy in their leagues. So if FSU and Clemson are "disruptive" it's because of the situation they created.
Huh?! The Big Ten marketed itself and created large alumni bases and created its own network so it could demand top dollar.
It is not, was not the Big Ten's responsibility to lookout for the ACC's media deal.
The ACC made their bed. The ACC poached the Big East. Destroyed the Big East. Texas destroyed the Big 12.
Now you are blaming the Big Ten?
FSU has always acted Snobby, nobody wanted them to begin with 🤣
Tennessee and vandy, auburn and Alabama. Texas am and now texas. 😂
@Brett_McMurphy - With all due respect to the Hoos, Virginia is NOT the main university in the Commonwealth of Virginia ... especially when it comes to football. Does the SEC really want a university with a consistent 3-8 season record that has a hard time filling 40% of their stadium?
If you say so, but the SEC prefers UVA, likely for a number of reasons.
@tcllie2211 all of UVa sports as a whole make a great deal of money. so not only that is intriguing, so is there political clot. And international presence as a high academic university any conferance would crave.
Tarheel will tell you the only words he knows 🤡🤦🏼♂️😂
@@SurferRC You will have to do better.
SEC doesn't want FSU or Clemson because they have Florida and South Carolina? They had Texas A&M as well, but that didn't stop them from adding the Texas Longhorns.
TEXAS is a flagship and is a top-level athletic program and institution.
So, can ACC people tell me if the Swofford book cooking thing was true or not? It isn't "disruptive" if it is true. I don't follow the ACC that closely, was it true?
The ACC had a long-standing relationship with Raycom well before Swofford.
As a lifelong SEC fan, I welcome Texas and Oklahoma with open arms and under no circumstances would want FSU or Clemson.
nobody cares
@@ashefell Thanks for making it clear to everyone why the SEC and Big10 do not want schools like FSU and Clemson.
"Sec fan" 😂
How does a grown man become a “fan” of a conference?
@@jake300winexactly these d riders are hilarious
They will show interest when they are legally allowed to…
Neither are Bluebloods..there's only 7.. having a good few years doesn't make you BB.
Alabama, Notre Dame, Ohio st, Michigan, Oklahoma ,Texas, USC..
These are the true BBs..these are what draws eyes..
Clemson- Fl st is in the next tier down along teams like Penn st, Tennessee, Georgia, LSU, Washington, Miami, Florida and a handful more, then everyone else basically..FYI, Nebraska was always considered a BB, some still may have them there but theyve been bad so long and doesn't look like they will ever recover like Texas has..so they're in next tier down..
Excellent analysis and post.
@@mr.bigglesworthyoumagnific4281 Facts, somebody that finally gets it and knows football
@@mr.bigglesworthyoumagnific4281
So being finishing in the AP top 5 for 14 consecutive years, winning 3 national championships, winning a P5 countless times- not to mention a couple more championship game losses- you call that having a few good years?
You mention Washington but not Oregon?
How is Notre Dame a BB? They haven’t won a national title in 36 years. Texas is just now showing they are possibly on back on track? Michigan just now won their first national title since 97. FSU has a more recent national title than USC, Notre Dame, Texas, and Oklahoma and Ohio’s states most recent was 2014. FSU ran the 90’s. People are afraid that with Norvell, the name brand of FSU, and more money FSU will compete with anyone. FACTS
SEC wants florida state, Clemson, louisville and virginia
Don’t listen to social media people be smart 😂
I do think the Big 10 only wants to take AAU schools. I believe allowing non-AAU schools to join would blemish the conference in the eyes of its current members. The SEC does not want Clemson or FSU - they add nothing to the conference - and the fans of those schools don’t want the Big 10. It’s hard for a southern fan base to get excited about any Big 10 school other than Michigan, Ohio State, or Penn State visiting for home games. And no Southern fan wants to travel to Big 10 country. Sorry Michigan State and Rutgers. UNC and Virginia are the prettiest girls at the dance for both conferences. Each school is AAU (Big 10) and brings with it new media markets. And for what it’s worth, the fans of neither of those schools cares that much about football, so traveling to the Midwest for away games is not an issue. Those fans don’t travel for football now.
I wonder if the B1G would have voted Oregon in if they knew Uncle Phil was going all out on an NIL offensive. I mean, think of Minnesota, Nebraska, Illinois, Northwestern, Purdue, Michigan State, Maryland, and Rutgers. Do they really want more competition? (On a side note… maybe they voted them in because they didn’t want USC alone because of a perceived threat to consolidate west coast talent in one place. After all, I assure you USC would have voted against Oregon if given the chance.)
My point is that there ARE forces pushing back on unfettered expansion. This isn’t as simple as “just get all the good football schools.”
The MARYLAND message board now reeks of apathy.
Yes. The B1G wants two teams that don’t care about football and would literally lose tens of millions of dollars a year. Guaranteed. They should check them out.
@@505premoto a) This is a forever decision. b) They wouldn't "literally lose tens of millions of dollars a year" in the expected future P2 world.
Again, if your logic doesn't reconcile with reality, revisit your logic.
@Adam-pw4jt I see you are mainly looking at this from a fans perspective. Which doesn't fly. College Football has changed, Networks run the show now. And if Fox and the others want FSU & Clemson in the B1G Conference, well, they're going to get what they want. Besides the B1G said before, Not having an AAU Membership is NOT a deal breaker!
You didnt talk to Aggies
"Strong"
SEC: We don’t mind Clemson, but we don’t want Dabo…..he’s too sensitive.
This is a bunch of back biting rumor mill bullshit!
What does “back biting” mean ?
Amazing denial. Scanning down the referenced McMurphy article, he references or quotes:
a) In general "university presidents, conference personnel, athletic directors, network executives and consultants"
b) 3 SEC presidents
These aren't the junior high rumors that FSU fans swallow daily. I do snicker at the idea suggested in the article of FSU ever being able to rally the ACC or a group of members to do anything. UNC is the crucial member for times like these, and ND always acts for its own interests only. FSU has wasted any ability it did have to so rally.
lol South Carolina over Clemson
Yeah because one is already in the conference and one is not
@@joshg1529 derp. You mean like adding Texas when T A&M was already in conference?
@@jasonbooth94 yes but Texas is a bigger state and Texas is one of the biggest programs in the nation.
@@joshg1529 ok lol
@@jasonbooth94 my initial point was mostly you might have SC over Clemson just because they’re already in the conference. It might not be that way if you started from scratch
Acc sued FSU first. 😂
FSU and Clemson next year….
***texts ACC***
“U up?”
Clemson is not a big brand or tv market team. They just had a few good years, so overrated. FSU is a fit for the Big 10, and they despise the SEC.
If Clemson and FSU aren’t picked up by P2, they could be independent with OSU, WSU and ND. I’m not sure how that would work though.
WSU and OSU are in the MW, no network is offering them any contract to be independent, same thing will happen to fsu if they go independent. The P3 schools won’t agree to play FSU if they independent which leads to athletes fleeing to bigger schools. ND is only valuable independent to NBC to get a big tv contract due to its national brand.
For starters, how would non-football work?
@@tarheel7406 great question, baseball and all the other Olympic sports will need to remain in ACC, ND is only affiliated to ACC so it can have its non revenue sport in ACC. Big10 only allows one non revenue sport affiliation for non members
We should only take them if it's even money. We don't need or want another Texas. We already have Utah. I wouldn't mind helping with exit fees. That would be ok but not uneven revenue sharing
Why would the SEC add Texas since they already had TAM? Same reason they’d add FSU and Clemson. Both are top 10 watched college football schools. Brett is just trying to get clicks
TEXAS is a flagship and has much more base and unique value than CLEMSON or FSU.
@@tarheel7406 both FSU and Clemson have won ALOT more over the last 30 years than Texas. Texas may have a lot of money but that doesn’t mean FSU or Clemson aren’t flagship school for their states
@@chrismead6757
a) Again, TEXAS is a flagship and has much more base and unique value than CLEMSON or FSU.
b) Neither FSU nor CLEMSON are de facto state flagships. FLORIDA and USCAR are the respective flagships.
CLEMSON seems to know, but FSU and its fans appear to remain ignorant of the fact that it isn't a top expansion priority.
This is just idiotic!!! FSU tried to do it the right way for years and is believe me FSU is what they say they are. They bring 👀 to new conference and according to the media contracts if they add new teams the conference will be compensated for each team added. Know your facts before you speak. 😅😅😅
I don't know why Clamsome stooped to FSU's level. Now they both are on this island that no one cares to rescue either of them and add a problem self serving team. When Miami beats them, FSU is no brand.
CLEMSON hasn't gone scorched earth, but the media is tying it with FSU. CLEMSON should publicly address this.
Clueless
Brett McMurphy is completely missing the mark. OF COURSE this is what the Big Ten and SEC are saying!! It's what they HAVE to say!! Brett was 100% wrong about Oregon and UW and I would be willing to bet that he's ultimately 100% wrong about the Big Ten and SEC not wanting FSU and Clemson.
When push comes to shove, matchups generate revenue and the cream of the crop of the ACC are FSU and Clemson. Are you telling me having them in the conference won't generate more revenue than Rutgers, Maryland, Purdue, Iowa, Minnesota, Illinois, Northwestern, Indiana, Wisconsin do, or SEC teams like Vanderbilt, Arkansas State, Kentucky do? It's just a joke when he says these TV networks are maxed out in terms of spending. If there is more revenue to be made, there is more money to spend!
FSU and Clemson will have landing spots. It may not be full share, but they will 100% have a spot in the P2.
Bad take Brett
Maybe he had an anecdotal coincidence and only talked to people who were unnecessarily cautious. If the ADs or presidents had just said that FSU and Clemson would be good additions without saying that they were going to pursue adding them, that would just be their opinions.
Vandy doesn’t really count. Kentucky is the prime SEC basketball program but I think the hardest thing is FSU would be middle of the SEC in revenue. The biggest thing is not that FSU might bring more money than someone like Arkansas but you’re probably cost everyone else more money because you’re splitting the money with at least 1 more team.
@@joshg1529 Why doesn’t Vandy Count? Sure, I will concede that the SEC may value having a highest tier basketball program over maximizing profit in which case it would be great to see more examples of not maximizing profit in college sports- that would be great for the fans in certain cases. I don't know if FSU and Clemson don't add enough to the SEC to make everyone's share bigger.
@@gordono672 it was mostly a joke about Vandy. They’re just known to be the outlier. They would have to make it when teams make enough money for teams to feel like they’re worth adding and I’m not sure if espn would give them more money.
@@joshg1529 OK, I get it in regards to Vandy 😉.
It's an interesting intersection where these schools sometimes are loyal to each other, but the lure of better media deals gets in the way of that.
If the ACC survives? lol please
The ACC easily survives "only" losing CLEMSON and FSU. The BIG12 lost it stop 6 (net).
@@tarheel7406 ESPN can negate the contract after this season. No they don’t survive. Any UNC fan should know this and know UNC is out if Clemson and FSU are out.
@@leewilliams6354 Why would ESPN not renew a deal that yields Tier 1 content at a Tier 2 price? Why would the ACC invite CAL+2 sans ESPN approval and assurances?
@@tarheel7406 You obviously don’t know what you are talking about. It will be a tier 2 price for less than tier 2 games once the two teams that bring all the viewers leave.
@@tarheel7406 Name a single tier one guaranteed prime time game that doesn’t involve Clemson or FSU in conference. I’ll wait to laugh at your response.