I was never a Wow guy but seeing some of the OG orcs brought to life from the RTS day was one of my favorite Cinema experiences ever, thanks so much for your hard work I had chills every time I saw a back ground orc and could identify him as a tribe chief based off of physical attributes.
I was one of the two ILM VFX Supervisors on Warcraft. Just 3 quick things to add to your discussion. 1. Multi-Segment motion blur was used. Post blur can be very problematic and straight lines aren't acceptable. To get the real arc every monte carlo ray you trace should evaluate the whole scene at a random time! Multi-segment evaluates your animation on multiple discrete subframes and linearly interpolates between those subsamples at a significant cost in disk/memory/render time, so the number of segments is tuned in lighting to capture arcs, but the sub-segments themselves are still linear (what you saw I'd guess). Lighting artists tune this cost against all their other many constraints. The disk space used was insane. ... Ah, it takes me back. :) 2. Overcranking discussion brought me back in time to the deep dives we had on this show and the first Ruffalo Hulk. It wasn't the right approach/look/solution on these characters and made things way more "fake" looking in practice. But I think GoT used it on the giants to nice effect. Whoever said big does not equal slow, kudos, you're 100% right-- reference backs this up. Big things are comfortable and powerful in their big bodies. We used heavy ankle/wrist weights and padding on the performers and that did help. Their anatomy is so extreme in the shoulders and neck it always ends up being a task animation has to keep in mind, for example pulling more of a head turn motion into the chest. For BG characters where hero acting wasn't the deciding factor we used Very very large stunt men for the reasons you listed. In fact one of these guys helped with a bear attack I worked on after this show for the Revenant. Big performers helped but only as much as you saw. They're still human actors. Really an interesting problem. Often the action/story required would over-rule all this anyway. 3. I hope you saw some of Draka's closups! Cheers guys.
In a previous react, they showed mocap actors with weights attached to their forearms and chests, I'm surprised it wasn't brought up again. Great work and thanks for chiming in here!
The Orc conversation reminded me a lot of something I learned this week about the filming of the Hobbit movies where the actors were given really heavy boots to wear so that their feet looked proportional to dwarves but a nice side effect of that heavy prosthetic was that their movements were much slower and more cumbersome and their center of mass was much lower to the ground, so it ended up creating really convincing movement
@@iriswaters That's not really fair though, Weta was rushed and overworked while still cranking out million-dollar perfect fire and water sims and a flawless CG dragon, it's no wonder the orcs looked off. Gollum also looks much better in the Hobbit than LotR.
@@DutchPatterson I suppose. All the water and fire CG felt wasted on terrible run on scenes, but I cannot deny the quality. And the dragon was amazing. Just noting that despite the extra effort put into the mocap of the orcs, the result ended up pretty bad, well behind works from a decade or more earlier. And the goblins were even worse than the orcs. I just wish they'd made one slim 3 hr movie, or maybe two moderate 2 hr movies, rather than 3 rushed and bloated messes.
@@moon-moth1 no, it's not ignoring any of the dwarf stuff. I am actually specifically saying that it's a shame all that went into movies that were so ass. Particularly everything about the orcs, and ESPECIALLY the goblins.
8:12 Del Toro insisted on no motion capture in Pacific Rim’s Jaegers and Kaiju for this reason. He didn’t want it to look like a human, so he trusted the animators, and it still looks spectacular.
I watched Pacific Rim expecting a cheesy anime plotline with fight scenes like a slightly higher-budget Power Rangers, but the movements were so delightfully HEAVY and it made everything else work.
@@petergriffin4629 As far as I recall, Del Toro wasn't involved* in the production of the second movie. *The script was based on his draft of the what he intended to do for a second movie, but it is not known how far along his draft was, or how heavily it was changed.
Big Show lumbering around is part of the act. If you see him early in his career in WCW he's extremely athletic. There are times he does flat footed standing drop kicks. It took him a long time to learn to slow down and be a 'giant'
Big Show never learned to be a Giant. He was a Jobber of a Giant because of his early work in WCW. They had him taking Bumps from Day One when a Giant is supposed to be an immovable object. By the WWE days, he legitimately had lost a lot of his athleticism but didn't actually know how to be a Giant and was never believable even with his Size because of his previous gimmicks. Stevie Richards, Paul Heyman, even Jim Cornette have all talked about it.
Everything on UA-cam gets stale after a while, but for some reason I can't get bored by some nerds on a couch talking about visual effects in movies, it just doesn't get boring. Like ,that shit's on episode 156, that's ridiculous.
Warcraft is a movie that deserves a sequel. Although the story wasn't as perfect as it could be, the worldbuilding and especially the VFX in Warcraft was incredibly well done. The movie opens with a close up on Durotan (the main Orc). No dialogue. Just a huge flex of how well the Orcs were made. The magic was also incredible in the movie. In terms of videogame adaptations, Warcraft is great. Not perfect, but definitely not bad either. I've played WoW since 2007 and honestly never really left..
A couple of the actors have said years since that the script was changed during production, not unusual in itself but they let slip that some people in charge didn't want it to do well... allegedly
Your wow addiction is showing. The film was awful which is why it flopped so badly. They adapted the part of the lore that nobody wanted with an art direction nobody wanted. Just because a film has good CGI doesn't mean it's a good film. And ironic thing to say, since they also reviewed mortal engines in this video
@@JasonQuests I'm personally more of a Warcraft III person, I haven't played a lot of WoW, and I probably have more hours in Warcraft III. I loved the movie, I loved its CGI, loved the lore, and I did actually wanted this part of the lore, because in my eyes it's under underrepresented, maybe I would've never knew anything about Warccraft I and II without this movie, youre just hating on it because maybe it wasn't what YOU wanted. If people and critics wouldn't have been too harsh with this movie, maybe we could've gotten more Warcraft movies.
I'm so used to people constantly shitting on the Warcraft movie that it's almost unsettling when someone actually says something nice about it. Thanks for the kind and fair words about Warcraft.
Every time you go in-depth about the different kinds of motion blur, I'm reminded that I'd really like you guys to make an episode explaining why producers and film-makers continue to stick with 24fps, despite being able to capture and render content at much higher rates now. Every time I watch a movie and see a camera panning across a scene, or a fast-paced fight scene, I always wish I could actually see what's going on, rather than a slideshow.
Because the Slideshow hides the mistakes and allows them to cut multiple takes into a scene easier. Its the same reason everything gets digitally fixed with time signatures and sounds robotic now compared to even 20 years ago when it was recorded with full takes. Its why they AutoTune so much as well. Lower Cost Option will always win out when an Accountant has the final say.
I would KILL for you to get someone like Terran Gregory (WoWs Cinematic director) on the show to talk about Blizzards CGI and cinematics thorough the years! Yeah the Warcraft movie didnt really hit but their cinematics are always top notch. Its Warcrafts 30th anniversary this year, perfect time to do it too!
Definitely. The OG vanilla wow cinematic is still a masterpiece. I remember seeing the detail on the dwarf character and not believing that it wasn't a human who had somehow turned into a real dwarf.
Got a cool one. "Bicentennial Man" popped up with some clips and there's a scene where Oliver Platts character carries Robin Williams Head while it's speaking to him. It came out in 1999 but the full head replacement looks mad decent in my opinion.
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I just realized that Wren, Niko, and Sam are the same guy from three different life eras time traveling into one point in space and time to discuss movies together.
I have seen clips of this series for years. The minute you started talking about motion blur, I realised this is the most interesting shit that no one but me (that I know), is ever going to care about And I love it
I've been avoiding it, but if the guys are fine with it, I guess it's time. I know what I'm going to do tonight 😊 On a tangent. Does anyone else HATE motion blur? I always turn it off when possible. It makes things harder to watch for me, and our brains already give us the effect, so why double it? It's distracting and annoying on Everything just looks and feels better without it.
thats almost what does it, is the orcs look more photo real than the humans do, and it makes the humans some of them, feel like they're wearing super cheap costumes
@@chancepaladin they tried to make props for human in the "game scale" and it looks bad, like the weapons and armor looks like foam replicas. They really should have tried making it either somewhat more realistic or go full CG, this in-between thing didn't work, sadly
It's balanced. As soon as too many people start praising it i feel the need to help tone it down and give the input of it not being a direct masterpeice. But when too many people are bashing i feel the need to contribute with what is really good about it. I feel like it's a good balance. But something still feels empty about it and i can not put my finger on what it is. Maybe it's the characters ? i don't think i feel strongly enough connected to many of the characters to actually care for them.
I know Jurassic Park is one of the most talked about films in CGi, but I would like to see a react to The Lost World: Jurassic Park, in particular the rex in the hunter’s camp scene. The shot that still blows my mind is the guy who gets stepped on, clings to the foot for a few steps and lays in a puddle to end the shot. Also the practical compy vest they made with the behind the scenes footage is awesome
So many cool shots in that movie that stuck with me. The two trexs ripping the guy in half, the overhead shots of the forest when t Rex’s are moving through, or the overhead shot of the velociraptors picking people off one by one in the grass, and my personal favourite is the waterfall scene where the trex head comes through and rips the scientist away. Such an under appreciated and well made monster film
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Please do react to "Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.". Lots of robots, spaceships, time travel, gravitonium, Inhumans and of course more importantly Ghost Rider, Lola etc. It's got quite some stuff to get its own episode.
Awesome to see you guys check out Warcraft. One of my first experiences of learning what exactly VFX art is was back in high school. I got invited to a conference in Boston for Science and Technology based off my grades. One of the speakers who I got to meet was Bill Westenhoffer who was The VFX Supervisor on Warcraft (among MANY others) he was a great guy and introduced me to the fact that VFX is an art and can be made a career if done correctly. Great experience, great VFX, solid film
the dead pixel in the camera keeps throwing me off 10:51(right of his chin) makes me keep checking my monitor for dead pixels haha 😅 great vid guys as ever ❤
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR LISTENING TO US AND REMOVING THE HORRIBLE MUSIC!!! IT WAS SO JARRING HEARING IT CUT BACK IN AT 11:50 AND I REALIZED HOW MUCH BETTER THE SHOW IS WITHOUT IT BLASTING TRASH NON STOP
Hell yes, I have been recommending this movie for so long to you guys. This is one of the most insane jumps in CGI that I have ever seen. Magic and facial/muscle structure was insanely good. It's a disservice to the actors in VFX houses that worked on this that there wasn't a sequel or more positive reviews due to complex storytelling when things like Lord of the rings lore / dialogue heavy movies did so well. I do concede the writing was meh, but geez Louise this movie was great to look at!!!
The big thing that held it back for me was the armor. A lot of it looks fine but the plate just really does look like plastic. Very unfortunate when you see all the work that went into everything else.
Complex writting is way down the line of problems in this movie... The boring protagonist is way worse imo. There is also something I can't put exact words to, but it feels more like the live-action Scooby Doo movie than The Lord of the Ring.
@@sssenseiiiwell the art style of the game is colorful and cartoony, so I understand why they wanted the movie to be more vibrant and well-lit like a cutscene. I just wish they would make animations of the history/lore of the game. The old lore is well-written but it's so confusing because there's so many stories at play
@@Mimyakko Not only the visuals, the entire movie feels really PG-13 when the last game that came out in the serie (except Hearthstone) came out 20 years ago.
I think one of the biggest issues with all of the warcraft shots is that everything is so clearly a STAGE that they are on. All of the environments feel like they could be an interactive exhibit at disney world. Then the lighting brings it even farther away from the natural environment.
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I wrote up a point about that too as not being a very good lens to criticise the Orcs though. Wrestling is about selling the impacts without hurting any of the opponents so they move in a very hyper-exaggerated way. You don't want the Orcs having the momentum of a pro-wrestler.
My dad, who was 71 at the time, wanted to go see this movie. He never played WoW, though my brothers and I had played off and on since its release - we took him to watch it in theaters and we all enjoyed it! So it's a memory I'll always cherish
*You guys gotta do a "Stuntmen/Women React" to "Cherry 2000" (1987). Especially the "The Best Way to Cross the River" scene. Pre-lip-filler Melanie Griffith in a soup'd up '66 Mustang, dodging RPGs and machine guns, being a total badass.*
You guys should look at Hundreds of Beavers. It might be right up your alley with embracing the jankiness but also just amazing story telling and movie making.
I really liked the Warcraft movie, the Orcs were amazing. On the other hand, Mortal Engines started really well and rapidly went of the road with terminator and star wars gimmicks, the final battle is basically X wings against the death star with different assets and a ridiculous I'm your father moment...
The warcraft movie was pretty fun and I was surprised how many lore things it got right. I am used to videogame movies generally being insultingly bad in that regard. That being said i remember not being completely convinced by it overall. It might have been one of those "this would have felt cramped even as a two-season TV show but they squished it into one movie" kinds of deals, or it might have been something else, not sure. Also holy shit sam I am sorry I don't want to sound mean but I genuinely had a little moment of shock seeing you for the first time like that.
Could you guys take a look at Journey to the Center of the Earth and the sequel? Seemed like it had some pretty good visuals for the time it came out, but also some kind of janky Parts with a bunch of not great green screenshots.
@@comebackguy8892 So, lemme make it clear, if the humans were animated you wouldn't be able to say they were humans compared to the orcs? Hmm... I think you might have a problem with your brain 🤣
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Love you guys been watching the show for years so I’m comfortable with saying Sam is it because your beard is gone or is it VFX that joke and a real question lol. Keep being the best UA-cam. Just having a laugh.
2:00 the lighting to me makes everything look flat. There is no contrast whatsoever. They cut so frequently. You barely get a chance to see almost anything and the smart thing would be to contrast your action points. A “garbled mess” is a very good description of it.
See now my immediate comparison point was that DnD movie with Chris Pine. You can just TELL it’s not supposed to be a “serious” movie just by how everything is lit up like an airport runway. The WoW stuff at least has SOME contrast compared to that, but same sin same problem for sure.
After watching the Eden clip. I’d love to see Wren do a video of what would actually happen if an enormous human/being held the earth in his hands. As always, great episode guys. Keep up the good work.
Watching the shot with all the Orcs standing still ( 5:48) , the first thing that stood out to me was the copy paste war paint on a lot of the Orcs. I mean i get why, it just stood out so much. Within a few seconds my eyes were counting how many of them it was pasted too and i had to watch the shot twice because i missed what happened lol
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Guys this video was so refreshing hearing you critique something and talk about the negatives again!!! I think that movie looked amazing and COULD NOT figure out what made it feel off. I understand the fear to give out negative criticism but it is so helpful and sometimes necessary for people to learn. I'd rather have honest and fair positives and negatives from just the Crew than have to put on kid gloves so you don't offend a future couch guest. I'll be honest some of the guests with amazing credits have been nearly unwatchable bc of their lack of charisma or even downright poor attitude. Just don't burn bridges with the stunt guys and gals I love basically all of them.
7:00 to be fair, though, those orcs musculature is vastly more dense than someone like the Big Show. So we really dont have a good reference to how they would actually move if real.
On the shots that are actually amazing, I wish they spent equal time talking about what exactly makes them look so amazing versus the majority of time talking about the small small things they miss. There's a lot of really cool stuff in some of these shots and then we'll be worth talking about the nuance into making them look just so good. There's a guy they have on the animators react that does a really good job doing this.
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Long time fan of the show! Thanks for the feature guys ♥
Amazing work!
Please go sit on that couch! Would be awesome to see you there.
Fantastic work
He's been slowly evolving lol
You do awesome work, just subscribed. 👍
Whoever cut the shot of Niko saying 'they cut early' early. Deserves a raise 😂
came here to comment this. pure gold
what sho
What? they cut the sho
It was really a
Good catch!
I was the VFX Art Director on Warcraft. Yes, there were a ton of assets to design and keep track of. Fun show to work on.
Thank you! Thank you! Thank You! I loved this movie. Well done
In fact, Im going to go buy this movie for my kid's Apple accounts.
awesome movie! great work on the the art direction
I was never a Wow guy but seeing some of the OG orcs brought to life from the RTS day was one of my favorite Cinema experiences ever, thanks so much for your hard work I had chills every time I saw a back ground orc and could identify him as a tribe chief based off of physical attributes.
you are a legend
I was one of the two ILM VFX Supervisors on Warcraft. Just 3 quick things to add to your discussion.
1. Multi-Segment motion blur was used. Post blur can be very problematic and straight lines aren't acceptable. To get the real arc every monte carlo ray you trace should evaluate the whole scene at a random time! Multi-segment evaluates your animation on multiple discrete subframes and linearly interpolates between those subsamples at a significant cost in disk/memory/render time, so the number of segments is tuned in lighting to capture arcs, but the sub-segments themselves are still linear (what you saw I'd guess). Lighting artists tune this cost against all their other many constraints. The disk space used was insane. ... Ah, it takes me back. :)
2. Overcranking discussion brought me back in time to the deep dives we had on this show and the first Ruffalo Hulk. It wasn't the right approach/look/solution on these characters and made things way more "fake" looking in practice. But I think GoT used it on the giants to nice effect. Whoever said big does not equal slow, kudos, you're 100% right-- reference backs this up. Big things are comfortable and powerful in their big bodies. We used heavy ankle/wrist weights and padding on the performers and that did help. Their anatomy is so extreme in the shoulders and neck it always ends up being a task animation has to keep in mind, for example pulling more of a head turn motion into the chest. For BG characters where hero acting wasn't the deciding factor we used Very very large stunt men for the reasons you listed. In fact one of these guys helped with a bear attack I worked on after this show for the Revenant. Big performers helped but only as much as you saw. They're still human actors. Really an interesting problem. Often the action/story required would over-rule all this anyway.
3. I hope you saw some of Draka's closups! Cheers guys.
The work you did on this movie is unreal. Thanks for everything you put into it 😁
In a previous react, they showed mocap actors with weights attached to their forearms and chests, I'm surprised it wasn't brought up again. Great work and thanks for chiming in here!
I didn’t understand a single word but I feel smarter for some reason can someone explain
i was gonna ask if weighted vest could be used to better simulate a big creature but u answered my question already with the post ty
I am really curious now just how much disk space was used to get like a single scene done..
The Orc conversation reminded me a lot of something I learned this week about the filming of the Hobbit movies where the actors were given really heavy boots to wear so that their feet looked proportional to dwarves but a nice side effect of that heavy prosthetic was that their movements were much slower and more cumbersome and their center of mass was much lower to the ground, so it ended up creating really convincing movement
Shame the CG in those movies was such a huge step down from the Warhammer movie.
@@iriswaters That's not really fair though, Weta was rushed and overworked while still cranking out million-dollar perfect fire and water sims and a flawless CG dragon, it's no wonder the orcs looked off. Gollum also looks much better in the Hobbit than LotR.
@@DutchPatterson I suppose. All the water and fire CG felt wasted on terrible run on scenes, but I cannot deny the quality. And the dragon was amazing. Just noting that despite the extra effort put into the mocap of the orcs, the result ended up pretty bad, well behind works from a decade or more earlier. And the goblins were even worse than the orcs.
I just wish they'd made one slim 3 hr movie, or maybe two moderate 2 hr movies, rather than 3 rushed and bloated messes.
@@moon-moth1 no, it's not ignoring any of the dwarf stuff. I am actually specifically saying that it's a shame all that went into movies that were so ass. Particularly everything about the orcs, and ESPECIALLY the goblins.
ummm.... when did Sam start looking like the Comic Book Guy from The Simpsons?
At the same moment that Wren start looking like a shrunken version of Mark Wahlberg.
Urm Actually..... you are correct
Worst… effects… ever.
He's always been that way.
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Bad thumbnail plus facial hair and shorts
Great little editing joke at 12:11
ah dangit you beat me to it
13:11?
bruuuuuh
@@xTobsecretx they cut niko off when he was saying "they cut that off a little early"
@@alladeen2k hes talking about the "hold some damn tension guys" and then editors cuts right away
8:12 Del Toro insisted on no motion capture in Pacific Rim’s Jaegers and Kaiju for this reason. He didn’t want it to look like a human, so he trusted the animators, and it still looks spectacular.
I watched Pacific Rim expecting a cheesy anime plotline with fight scenes like a slightly higher-budget Power Rangers, but the movements were so delightfully HEAVY and it made everything else work.
But he clearly didn't do that in the second one right?
@@petergriffin4629 As far as I recall, Del Toro wasn't involved* in the production of the second movie.
*The script was based on his draft of the what he intended to do for a second movie, but it is not known how far along his draft was, or how heavily it was changed.
@ILikeGoodFood that explains things, because the second was very clearly motion capture somewhere in a gym that got turned into the giant mechs
Right tool for the right job, innit.
Big Show lumbering around is part of the act. If you see him early in his career in WCW he's extremely athletic. There are times he does flat footed standing drop kicks. It took him a long time to learn to slow down and be a 'giant'
Big Show never learned to be a Giant. He was a Jobber of a Giant because of his early work in WCW. They had him taking Bumps from Day One when a Giant is supposed to be an immovable object. By the WWE days, he legitimately had lost a lot of his athleticism but didn't actually know how to be a Giant and was never believable even with his Size because of his previous gimmicks. Stevie Richards, Paul Heyman, even Jim Cornette have all talked about it.
Y’all noticed Niko getting cut off early but did y’all notice Sam getting cut off at 13:13 too😂
Beat me to it. Nice.
Happy 30th Anniversary to Warcraft and 20th to World of Warcraft!! Thanks for reviewing the film, Corridor!
They didn't review the movie.
@@GraemeGunnthey 'review' what matters
Everything on UA-cam gets stale after a while, but for some reason I can't get bored by some nerds on a couch talking about visual effects in movies, it just doesn't get boring. Like ,that shit's on episode 156, that's ridiculous.
That word always offends me
Warcraft is a movie that deserves a sequel. Although the story wasn't as perfect as it could be, the worldbuilding and especially the VFX in Warcraft was incredibly well done. The movie opens with a close up on Durotan (the main Orc). No dialogue. Just a huge flex of how well the Orcs were made. The magic was also incredible in the movie. In terms of videogame adaptations, Warcraft is great. Not perfect, but definitely not bad either. I've played WoW since 2007 and honestly never really left..
A couple of the actors have said years since that the script was changed during production, not unusual in itself but they let slip that some people in charge didn't want it to do well... allegedly
Your wow addiction is showing. The film was awful which is why it flopped so badly. They adapted the part of the lore that nobody wanted with an art direction nobody wanted. Just because a film has good CGI doesn't mean it's a good film. And ironic thing to say, since they also reviewed mortal engines in this video
Nah, it was absolutely awful.
Paying* for wow since 2007 lmao
@@JasonQuests I'm personally more of a Warcraft III person, I haven't played a lot of WoW, and I probably have more hours in Warcraft III. I loved the movie, I loved its CGI, loved the lore, and I did actually wanted this part of the lore, because in my eyes it's under underrepresented, maybe I would've never knew anything about Warccraft I and II without this movie, youre just hating on it because maybe it wasn't what YOU wanted. If people and critics wouldn't have been too harsh with this movie, maybe we could've gotten more Warcraft movies.
I'm so used to people constantly shitting on the Warcraft movie that it's almost unsettling when someone actually says something nice about it.
Thanks for the kind and fair words about Warcraft.
Every time you go in-depth about the different kinds of motion blur, I'm reminded that I'd really like you guys to make an episode explaining why producers and film-makers continue to stick with 24fps, despite being able to capture and render content at much higher rates now. Every time I watch a movie and see a camera panning across a scene, or a fast-paced fight scene, I always wish I could actually see what's going on, rather than a slideshow.
Because the Slideshow hides the mistakes and allows them to cut multiple takes into a scene easier. Its the same reason everything gets digitally fixed with time signatures and sounds robotic now compared to even 20 years ago when it was recorded with full takes. Its why they AutoTune so much as well. Lower Cost Option will always win out when an Accountant has the final say.
Niko getting cut a little early while saying "They did cut a little early" 😂
lol yea it was really unexpec-
I came here for this comme
I would KILL for you to get someone like Terran Gregory (WoWs Cinematic director) on the show to talk about Blizzards CGI and cinematics thorough the years! Yeah the Warcraft movie didnt really hit but their cinematics are always top notch. Its Warcrafts 30th anniversary this year, perfect time to do it too!
Definitely. The OG vanilla wow cinematic is still a masterpiece. I remember seeing the detail on the dwarf character and not believing that it wasn't a human who had somehow turned into a real dwarf.
Is Sam secretly a gas station clerk in the Midwest?
No, just a standard Socialist 😅
Got a cool one. "Bicentennial Man" popped up with some clips and there's a scene where Oliver Platts character carries Robin Williams Head while it's speaking to him. It came out in 1999 but the full head replacement looks mad decent in my opinion.
13:22- Those are SO big they're not even bullets, they're full on shells! (cuts to homie and the glass getting hit by random 5.56 rounds) 😐😑
They are anti air flak canons that is shrapnel from the round it would look like small caliber wounds
I genuinely think VFX artists react is one of the best educational series on youtube. On top of it being highly entertaining.
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Hilariously, they were called out as a Scam years ago and disappeared, only to reappear in the last year or so. They were the original "Established Titles" and "Kamikoto Knives" Scam Sponsor on UA-cam.
@@justinlast2lastharder749 pretty sure the scam thing was when they were caught selling peoples information.
I unironically love the Warcraft movie. It's so cool. A guilty pleasure like the first two Mortal Kombat movies.
Cool film
I don't think it needs to be a "guilty pleasure". The movie is pretty good. I really enjoyed the orc side of the story.
Same
Needless to say it might actually be the best live action videogame movie. At least in the top 3.
It's not the most deep or narratively technical movie, but I want hoping for cool fights and dope CG and I was not disappointed
I just realized that Wren, Niko, and Sam are the same guy from three different life eras time traveling into one point in space and time to discuss movies together.
I have seen clips of this series for years. The minute you started talking about motion blur, I realised this is the most interesting shit that no one but me (that I know), is ever going to care about
And I love it
Warcraft is such an underrated movie, the CGI in this is incredible! I swear the orcs are some of the most photoreal CGI characters I've ever seen.
I've been avoiding it, but if the guys are fine with it, I guess it's time. I know what I'm going to do tonight 😊
On a tangent. Does anyone else HATE motion blur? I always turn it off when possible. It makes things harder to watch for me, and our brains already give us the effect, so why double it? It's distracting and annoying on Everything just looks and feels better without it.
I loved it so much
thats almost what does it, is the orcs look more photo real than the humans do, and it makes the humans some of them, feel like they're wearing super cheap costumes
@@chancepaladin they tried to make props for human in the "game scale" and it looks bad, like the weapons and armor looks like foam replicas. They really should have tried making it either somewhat more realistic or go full CG, this in-between thing didn't work, sadly
It's balanced. As soon as too many people start praising it i feel the need to help tone it down and give the input of it not being a direct masterpeice. But when too many people are bashing i feel the need to contribute with what is really good about it. I feel like it's a good balance. But something still feels empty about it and i can not put my finger on what it is. Maybe it's the characters ? i don't think i feel strongly enough connected to many of the characters to actually care for them.
I know Jurassic Park is one of the most talked about films in CGi, but I would like to see a react to The Lost World: Jurassic Park, in particular the rex in the hunter’s camp scene. The shot that still blows my mind is the guy who gets stepped on, clings to the foot for a few steps and lays in a puddle to end the shot. Also the practical compy vest they made with the behind the scenes footage is awesome
Not to mention the hunt scene, which had some great blending of *incredibly* bouncy footage with a ton of dinosaurs running around.
So many cool shots in that movie that stuck with me. The two trexs ripping the guy in half, the overhead shots of the forest when t Rex’s are moving through, or the overhead shot of the velociraptors picking people off one by one in the grass, and my personal favourite is the waterfall scene where the trex head comes through and rips the scientist away. Such an under appreciated and well made monster film
@@Nimajneb42069 most things involving t rexs involved 2 robots and wasn't CGI
@ you’d be surprised how much vfx goes into those shots. Yes lots of animatronix but it’s blended seamlessly with cgi.
Do y'all think betterhelp will sell my private therapy conversations to advertisers again?
probably yeah
Betterhelp says, “Baby come back I promise I won’t do it again”
Hope the pay was good for their souls
It's like people just forgot how scummy that website is…youd have better mental health results by buying gym membership than that bs
Of course they will.
"They did cut a little early."
"They did cut a little ear-"
Well played, well played.
why are we still running betterhelp ads...
Contracts probably
Or the money is that good
Agreed, I love corridor but this makes me lose a bit of respect for them.
What happened with betterhelp?
@@benmiller8129 like with a lot of UA-cam channels that have BetterHelp as a sponsor, the contract was likely written before news came out about how BetterHelp actually is. And now they’re obligated to promote them until the contract expires.
Please do react to "Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.". Lots of robots, spaceships, time travel, gravitonium, Inhumans and of course more importantly Ghost Rider, Lola etc.
It's got quite some stuff to get its own episode.
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Dude I've been asking for agents of shield for so long, never saw any support on my comments so I stopped asking for it. Let's do it again.
Yeah I'd love to see what they think of Hive. That show had some top tier CGI
@@WarlordX7 Yes!I think I put this comment on every react video from ep 130. I really ope this works
@@wordsinahandle Yes, thank you
Awesome to see you guys check out Warcraft. One of my first experiences of learning what exactly VFX art is was back in high school. I got invited to a conference in Boston for Science and Technology based off my grades. One of the speakers who I got to meet was Bill Westenhoffer who was The VFX Supervisor on Warcraft (among MANY others) he was a great guy and introduced me to the fact that VFX is an art and can be made a career if done correctly. Great experience, great VFX, solid film
Now I want Warcraft 2 to happen. Way to go guys. I'm sure you got a few people trying to open that old wound.
the dead pixel in the camera keeps throwing me off 10:51(right of his chin)
makes me keep checking my monitor for dead pixels haha 😅
great vid guys as ever ❤
Just a quick note the editing in this video is miles better than the last few eps! I'm so glad!
To see how a big orc should move you should look at strongman competitions.
The "They did cut a little earl--" bit sent me at 12:10. Such a subtle editing moment, but absolutely cracked me up
Sam suddenly looking like a Mexican cartoon character just makes all his comments hit home even harder!
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR LISTENING TO US AND REMOVING THE HORRIBLE MUSIC!!! IT WAS SO JARRING HEARING IT CUT BACK IN AT 11:50 AND I REALIZED HOW MUCH BETTER THE SHOW IS WITHOUT IT BLASTING TRASH NON STOP
Very good episode again! No weird music and better editing makes the show waaay better.
Hell yes, I have been recommending this movie for so long to you guys. This is one of the most insane jumps in CGI that I have ever seen. Magic and facial/muscle structure was insanely good. It's a disservice to the actors in VFX houses that worked on this that there wasn't a sequel or more positive reviews due to complex storytelling when things like Lord of the rings lore / dialogue heavy movies did so well.
I do concede the writing was meh, but geez Louise this movie was great to look at!!!
The big thing that held it back for me was the armor. A lot of it looks fine but the plate just really does look like plastic. Very unfortunate when you see all the work that went into everything else.
Complex writting is way down the line of problems in this movie... The boring protagonist is way worse imo.
There is also something I can't put exact words to, but it feels more like the live-action Scooby Doo movie than The Lord of the Ring.
@@sssenseiiiwell the art style of the game is colorful and cartoony, so I understand why they wanted the movie to be more vibrant and well-lit like a cutscene. I just wish they would make animations of the history/lore of the game. The old lore is well-written but it's so confusing because there's so many stories at play
@@Mimyakko Not only the visuals, the entire movie feels really PG-13 when the last game that came out in the serie (except Hearthstone) came out 20 years ago.
I really struggled to follow the story.
14:38 Sam's apologizing like the title of this series isn't *BAD* and Great CGi.
you know when sam shaves his beard in a new way that a new video is comin
I think one of the biggest issues with all of the warcraft shots is that everything is so clearly a STAGE that they are on. All of the environments feel like they could be an interactive exhibit at disney world. Then the lighting brings it even farther away from the natural environment.
Visual Effects Artists Make Fun of Movies, Instead of Breaking Down Effects has been one constant show I watch on YT in the past decade. Never stop these
Big-Show was told to move slower like a giant would move. When he first started out he did moves like what the smaller guys did.
I wrote up a point about that too as not being a very good lens to criticise the Orcs though. Wrestling is about selling the impacts without hurting any of the opponents so they move in a very hyper-exaggerated way. You don't want the Orcs having the momentum of a pro-wrestler.
I love this movie. Underrated as hell.
My dad, who was 71 at the time, wanted to go see this movie. He never played WoW, though my brothers and I had played off and on since its release - we took him to watch it in theaters and we all enjoyed it! So it's a memory I'll always cherish
Bad writing and not CGi humans ruined it
This is a UA-cam video.
Which movie
Corey's talking tangents is infecting UA-cam
Would you say you're losing your gourd?
The editor needs a raise on this for cutting Sam off when he was complaining about the editors cutting stuff off. LEGENDARY
Congrats on the 10 mill sub milestone for the digital channel. You guys have definitely come alooooooong waaaaay 🎉🎉🎉
*You guys gotta do a "Stuntmen/Women React" to "Cherry 2000" (1987). Especially the "The Best Way to Cross the River" scene. Pre-lip-filler Melanie Griffith in a soup'd up '66 Mustang, dodging RPGs and machine guns, being a total badass.*
Them cutting early on Niko agreeing they cut too early was too funny to me🤣
2:52 Wren's volume spike
BAHAHAHAHAHHA FACTS!
WELLL YEAH CUZ THE FRIKIN LIGHTNG
The VFX and sound editing on this episode were SO good 😂
Wren is right about the size, bigger doesn’t mean slow. You guys discussed this with Pacific Rim.
You guys should look at Hundreds of Beavers. It might be right up your alley with embracing the jankiness but also just amazing story telling and movie making.
"It was a lot of fun watching it on mute" dunks hardest.
I really liked the Warcraft movie, the Orcs were amazing.
On the other hand, Mortal Engines started really well and rapidly went of the road with terminator and star wars gimmicks, the final battle is basically X wings against the death star with different assets and a ridiculous I'm your father moment...
I love the quick cuts during the Mortal Engines sections😂
The Shrike sub plot in mortal engines was well done. Someone on UA-cam put together a nice 7 min edit of that plot line. Very satisfying.
You guys should take a look at Mr. Nobody (2009). Lots of interesting vfx in that film.
Sam lookin like Al McWhiggin with that shave
Sam is entering his Steven Segal era
Sam’s energy this episode is straight up whacky in this one. What a mood to be in
I love when Sam starts to criticize the way some movies get made
The warcraft movie was pretty fun and I was surprised how many lore things it got right.
I am used to videogame movies generally being insultingly bad in that regard.
That being said i remember not being completely convinced by it overall. It might have been one of those "this would have felt cramped even as a two-season TV show but they squished it into one movie" kinds of deals, or it might have been something else, not sure.
Also holy shit sam I am sorry I don't want to sound mean but I genuinely had a little moment of shock seeing you for the first time like that.
Could you guys take a look at Journey to the Center of the Earth and the sequel? Seemed like it had some pretty good visuals for the time it came out, but also some kind of janky Parts with a bunch of not great green screenshots.
My jaw dropped when i saw Sam 0:01
The way Sam went ballistic on Mortal Engines was beautiful XD
I really enjoyed Mortal Engines. I'm probably biased, as I was involved in the the costume department.
Thats really neat. What was it like?
To me, the biggest problem with the Warcraft movie is that they didn't go full CGI. The humans feel so clunky in those exagerated pieces of armor.
Then they wouldn't be human anymore. We wouldn't be able to connect at the same emotional level. Live action will always be superior.
@@comebackguy8892 So, lemme make it clear, if the humans were animated you wouldn't be able to say they were humans compared to the orcs? Hmm... I think you might have a problem with your brain 🤣
@@matheusrian7521 Not only did you take my fists sentence literally, you also forgot to read the second one...
I made an argument, that you clearly didn't understand and your response was to throw insults... Yeah, I'm not the one who needs a help, buddy 😂
@@Weeklythrower58 It's a 100 billion dollar industry, it's not nothing.
"Have you ever seen this movie?" "No, I haven't seen this movie, or any movie we talk about." Every single time.
🧂
Alright, guys- need you to rewind back to 1984 and watch The Last Starfighter
Less apologies, more dunking! I think criticism is fair in all industries
The editing for this video is fantastic.
Betterhelp sponsor? Oh man come on guys
Oh gosh, Sam made me loose it multiple times; please more of the funny, random re-enactments XD
STOP SUPPORTING BETTERHELP
Why? Am I missing something?
@@brandenbrousseau7673apparently they are supporting something really bad ,I'm not sure so maybe Google it up
@@brandenbrousseau7673just Reddit internet having it's echo chamber fit..
They see better help and like pavlov dogs have to say the cults words
@@brandenbrousseau7673Overcharging customers, undercharging the therapists, the company sharing data from customers with third parties without customers consent…
It’s a shitty company. Bad enough to cancel people who are accepting them as a sponsor? No. But still, the company seems shady.
@@brandenbrousseau7673 scam, not actual therapist, caught selling peoples information without consent.
I look forward to this every Saturday.
Love you guys been watching the show for years so I’m comfortable with saying Sam is it because your beard is gone or is it VFX that joke and a real question lol. Keep being the best UA-cam. Just having a laugh.
2:00 the lighting to me makes everything look flat. There is no contrast whatsoever. They cut so frequently. You barely get a chance to see almost anything and the smart thing would be to contrast your action points. A “garbled mess” is a very good description of it.
See now my immediate comparison point was that DnD movie with Chris Pine. You can just TELL it’s not supposed to be a “serious” movie just by how everything is lit up like an airport runway. The WoW stuff at least has SOME contrast compared to that, but same sin same problem for sure.
You always know how to make a great video!
I wasted literal years of my life in World of Warcraft. I believe Sam played WoW - his neckbeard is powerful.
After watching the Eden clip. I’d love to see Wren do a video of what would actually happen if an enormous human/being held the earth in his hands.
As always, great episode guys. Keep up the good work.
Watching the shot with all the Orcs standing still ( 5:48) , the first thing that stood out to me was the copy paste war paint on a lot of the Orcs. I mean i get why, it just stood out so much. Within a few seconds my eyes were counting how many of them it was pasted too and i had to watch the shot twice because i missed what happened lol
Don’t apologize for dunking, Sam! A big reason I watch is for said dunking.
Tell Sam to never shave his beard again.
STOP ACCEPTING BETTERHELP SPONSORSHIPS
Explain why.
@@NicCrimson Betterhelp is being exposed for allegedly scummy practices.
Though BetterHelp is not a direct scam, it has had a history of overcharging patients for subpar service, and is mostly sustained through the use of aggressive marketing through influencers.
Many accounts have been told of the company simply charging people for services they didn't ask for, as therapists can mark down their clients for services without any confirmation.
Additionally, cancelling from BetterHelp is an extremely difficult process, as the company will stall and stutter while still charging the client.
Finally, the licenses therapists on BetterHelp claim to have vary widely in quality, from patients allegedly being assigned to anybody from crystal healers to homeopathy peddlers.
@@NicCrimson breaching doctor-patient confidentiality, untrained therapists
@@BuildersOfBlocks That sounds scummy, can't help but ask: If they ain't Doctors and Licensed Therapist are they still bound by Doctor-Patient Confidentiality?.
No I need their code
Guys this video was so refreshing hearing you critique something and talk about the negatives again!!! I think that movie looked amazing and COULD NOT figure out what made it feel off. I understand the fear to give out negative criticism but it is so helpful and sometimes necessary for people to learn. I'd rather have honest and fair positives and negatives from just the Crew than have to put on kid gloves so you don't offend a future couch guest. I'll be honest some of the guests with amazing credits have been nearly unwatchable bc of their lack of charisma or even downright poor attitude. Just don't burn bridges with the stunt guys and gals I love basically all of them.
Yooo it’s so cool to see Sam so happy he is really full of energy in this episode 🎉 makes me happy haha
7:00 to be fair, though, those orcs musculature is vastly more dense than someone like the Big Show. So we really dont have a good reference to how they would actually move if real.
Yeah, watch bears fight and they can move incredibly quickly
Bro why are you still taking BetterHelp sponsorship after it was exposed it for being a scam
STOP WITH BETTER HELP!!! THEY ARE A HORRIBLE COMPANY THAT TAKES ADVANTAGE OF PEOPLE!!!
On the shots that are actually amazing, I wish they spent equal time talking about what exactly makes them look so amazing versus the majority of time talking about the small small things they miss. There's a lot of really cool stuff in some of these shots and then we'll be worth talking about the nuance into making them look just so good. There's a guy they have on the animators react that does a really good job doing this.
It’s actually cool to know that you can enjoy movies for more than just the script and acting
How are yall still taking better help momey? Seriously disgusting at this point
Stopped watching when I saw the sponsor. I love Corridor, but I cannot support Betterhelp as a sponsor, that is just a no-go and everyone knows about it
Bettercrap advert again thumbs down
The editor did a great job this ep.
Sam manages to critique and discuss design construction without a whiff of constructive criticism. He's half my family at the cinema.