@@Richard_L_Y It is. "The X ring has a smaller contact surface area" is what oddballperformance just said. He took a good, detailed, 9 minute explanation, and made it into an explanation that somebody who doesn't have the mechanical ability of changing out their front tire, can understand.
And X-Rings provide a better lubrication since it holds back more lube in the gaps of the X-Ring that contacts the friction surfaces. That is what I think a good reason to have a X-Ring chain.
Very helpful second time watching this video. I've used O-ring chin loved it for its quietness. Cant wait to try an X-ring next. Makes perfect sense. Thanks
My experience with o-ring chains is not good. They used to sell them as high end chains in the 70s. I have always ridden in all kinds of weather. What always happened with the o-ring chains I've had is that it wouldn't be long before they got kinks in them. I couldn't get lube to the spots where the kinks were because the o-ring.. I believe that water and other contaminants were sucked in, when the chain was hot and then hit cold water. So, the bike I bought back then came with o-ring chains on them, as if they were doing you a favor.They never lasted very long for me. Once they are kinked, they are trash. I always replaced them with a regular chain, which could atleast be cleaned lubed, so it did last longer. But, the maintenance on them was high. So for a long time I went with shaft and belt drives. A few years ago I bought a sportbike and put on an x-ring chain. It was amazing, no high maintenance and no kinking. I would have to credit the x-rings shape as to better sealing, one part of the x keeping out contaminants, the other side keeping grease in. The way I could tell is by how little chain adjustment was needed. My last bike was a ZX10R that I rode almost every day for 2 years. I think I had to adjust the chain 4 times. When I sold it at 10000 miles the chain was still serviceable. So in my opinion x-ring chains do last longer by far, plus they are cleaner.
"My experience with o-ring chains is not good. They used to sell them as high end chains in the 70s." - well that was the 70's - things get better as time goes on.
This game of Tic-tac-toe looks very complicated but I am sure my RR will love to play... xD My wallet prefers the O and my bike will get the X. Great video! Thanks!
Sure there is O-ring and X-ring but you forgot the 3rd option... Dell-ring. Dell-ring chains come lubricated from factory with snake oil and promise to remain extremely slack regardless of how much you tighten or paid for it.
That's presumably down to removing accumulated shite from the rollers & lubricating them effectively. I've been using scottoilers on my bikes for years - and they definitely reduce wear & reduce the need for regular cleaning.
I’m getting it, I at first thought that X-rings would hold on to more lubricant where the O-ring would just have lubricant at it’s surface and the X could have it inside it X figure and because of that make the chain itself last longer because of better libricated friction surface
If it's all about performance (less resistance), how much improvement are we talking about? Is it even a factor? You might get more performance by filing a few ounces of metal off some other component. This needs to be quantified.
I think it's more about how long the seals last, as he said it depends on how long you decide you are keeping your bike and how many miles you are likely to do. That is why X-ring chains are sold as heavy duty chains.
Can you make a video about the advantages and disadvantages of wave disc compared to regular brake discs? also why do they put dimples and grooves in brake discs?
Ewout Wielenga wavy discs may stay cleaner on a dirt bike, other than that there's no advantage. Drilled and grooved discs are for releasing gasses made by the brake pads, much less important now with modern materials
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Are there any bikes that use an "automatic chain oiler" like a chainsaw? When I was young- my Friend had a Yamaha 250, that was 2 cycle- but it had a separate oil tank, and when you twisted the throttle- it would squirt oil into the charge stream. No pre mixing of fuel/oil required. Kind of a PITA if you forgot to fill BOTH tanks!
HUBBABUBBA DOOPYDOOP I don't think any came out of the factory with a chain oiler, though some bikes had fully enclosed chains submersed in oil. There are a few aftermarket chain oilers though, I'm not great with chain maintenance and I do a lot of miles so I bought a scottoiler and it's great
You guys need to understand they have different types they make for different types of engines like if your engine is small you must use a type that is easier to pump you also need to use the stuff they tell you to use to flush your system before you put the waters coolant in
ive always wondered ? the chain comes pre-greased. but as time goes on. does the grease stay put behind the seal through its lifetime. or is it slowly being replaced by your chain lube. hencefort doesnt it also being contaminated by dust slowly making its way in between, behind seals and into the rollers? "If" does the new applied lube replaced the old contaminated and fling of?
How about cooking the chain in grease ? I'm a farmer and in winter we collect all chains from the machines, clean them and then cook them in special chain grease, a hard type of grease. My wife is not happy with it cos it stinks in the kitchen,but its only once a year. It makes the chain real smooth. The art is about at which temperature you take them out again, cos we want the outside cleaned but the grease must stay inside. Taking them out is not in the kitchen, its in the shop. A few trics to clean the outside,with air and stuf. We have no O rings in tha chains
As long as the X ring maintains the seal for as long as the O ring chains do. It could go either way. A well designed X ring may last longer than an O ring. A poorly designed X ring may not last as long as an o ring.
Matt is there any benefit in going down chain size to increase power? For example going from a 525 to a 520 chain? I've read claims made by people saying that going down a size can increase rwhp by approx 5hp. Sounds like bullshit to me but is there any truth in It? Surely the chain size is chosen at design/test stage of bike to be suitable to handle the stress put through It?
thank you for the very valuable informstion & awesome drawings! what do you think about Z ring vs X ring? I have KMC Z series 9 speed, should i switch to KMC X series for better performance?
It is frictional coefficient of oring rubber and the force, not the surface. You can use oring and not squash it and you will have less power loose on the chain drive but not very good seal. Xring can deform like scisors so you can reduce that squashing force and keep the chain sealed.
force applies to a surface area is pressure..... if what you're saying is true then how would a Nitrile O ring in an x shape reduce the coefficient of friction? I think you need to rethink your comment.
It isn't and that's a good point - however in real word applications seperating mechanical load (force over time) seen as though the system is a contact system then force and surface area this is a pressure. With Coulomb's equations we just use force and usually this gives a close enough approximation, but surface area cannot be ignored - This is why dragster have wide tyres. Wiki - "Friction and contact area It is an empirical fact for many materials that F = μN, where F is the frictional force for sliding friction, μ is the coefficient of friction, and N is the normal force. There isn't a simple derivation for sliding friction's independence from area. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contact_area
i run did vt2 x ring chains and they last about 60 hrs and the links are still ok the rolers wear through and brake of. no ring chain (did ert) lasts 15 to 20 hrs. i have also tried the vx series o ring chain and the links also held up til all the rollers had fallen off so it is hard to tell if the x ring beats the o ring or not...
What's the best spray for x ring chain like d.i.d.? I had a quick look on google and it says it's best to use no lube because the x rings are already lubed so just keep them clean which is what I would ideally want, no grease on my new chain.
I use parafin oil (a.k.a. lamp oil) to clean the chain, and "bar and chain" chainsaw oil to lube the chain. Bar and chain oil is cheap; I use Walmart brand. I brush it on with a cheap 1" paint brush.
I thought the point of an x-ring chain was that you need two lips to keep the external water seperate from the internal grease - similar to a double-lip oil seal on a shaft. Supposedly with o-rings the water wicks under and draws the grease out leading to early failure. With an x-ring there is an (air?) gap in the middle seperating oil from water. Is there truth to this?
x ring lasts longer because it has 4 seal points "than" 2 in side of pin, one keeps oil in and upperone dirt out, keeps oil better inside roller when chain gets wear
Is there not an argument here that as well as there being less resistance and lower drag with the "x"ring, there is also the advantage of having not one, but two sealing surfaces. Granted that there is, overall, less sealing area but having two barriers against road crud has to be better and therefore longer lasting (theoretically).. I've had both types on my bikes over the years (as well as no rings at all!) and I couldn't really tell if there was more or less resistance in the chain that would affect my ride (other than longer service life...). however, I'm not a racer and there every tiny advantage helps..
bro best description ever the drawings haha brilliant your great..... u are British version of me curse words and all {not on the drawings tho i cant draw for shit} and crazy i just started using vape to gonna try to quit smoking with it too hope its been working for you ya
Awesome channel! Zero BS and all the information. And ofc I have a question :) can I use X ring rivet link on my O ring chain (525 DID V8), rivet link is did 525VX.
So, your saying that if you want to drive a motorcycle for the X-Men, one should buy an X-Ring chain because the chain of this type is design by the X-Men, however, not by "O" men! Right!?😳
hi Matt. 2006 yam yz250f. raced at Dezzi raceway in SA twice. all good. we decided to drop the back sprocket from 49 tooth to a 45 tooth. took bike for a spin in the neighborhood, developed a heat seize. oil and and coolant good. does the valve timing need to be adjusted?? after 1 hr bike started properly. no hassle. should we do the valve timing??? thanks mate. give me your cell number. i'll be a hit in SA.
nitrous oxide: N2O Easy. An engine can only burn so much fuel (based on how much oxygen it has). By adding a dab of Nitrous oxide you are basically leaning out the engine (more air than is needed), so you can add more fuel for a bigger bang. The limit is only your stupidity. You WILL destroy at least one engine in your life if you ever get into nitrous. You can't really overdo it, until it melts.
hello . I just saw a video that had a engine kind of like your 1stroke. it was a huge stationary engine. of 1000s of cubic inches. 18" bore x18" stroke. 2 cylinder. they called it a double acting. because it fired on both sides of the piston! looked like a 2-3" rod. through the cylinder head on both ends. maybe you can find more by searching double acting engines? if you are interested. it was 4 stroke I think.
O'ring or the X-ring chains are supposedly better than the older style chain, pre (O'ring) yes manufacturing tolerances may be better these days, but it's totally impossible to clean a modern chain & re-lube it effectively ... older style chains are a 1/3 of the price & 2/3's of the weight, they can be 100% de-greased & cleaned & 100% re-lubed ... a well looked after non O'ring chain will outlast any modern chain, tested this fact myself.
A scottoiler not only lubricates but it keeps your chain clean and rust free. i've got one on my bandit 1200, my last chain adjustment was over 4000 miles ago and is still in spec (did x ring). The downside is that they do make a bit of a mess. As for extending chain and sprocket life, if you keep your chain clean and lubricated i don't see a scottoiler extending your chain life very much, I got it for the convenience as my bandit is used every day in all weathers and chain maintenance in pissing rain in the middle of winter wasn't high on my list of priorities, but if you only ride on weekends i don't see them being worthwhile.
+1 on the mess, got one on my sv650s. I use it daily as well, was never good with chain maintenance so in my case it was well worth it. I wouldn't buy one new but they come up used on ebay for around £30 quite often. When it comes to extending chain life I think they do help, no matter how ofter you oil and clean your chain, normal chain lube is thick and tacky and picks up grit which wears out your chain whereas a chain oiler uses thinner, non tacky oil which is constantly replaced (hence the mess)
My Scottoiler equipped ZZR1100 has done 45000 miles and still has the original EK chain and JT sprockets, it hardly ever needs adjustment and I can barely pull the chain off the rear sprocket at the 3 o'clock position. There's no hooking of the teeth and the chain is always clean and grit-free. Same on the mess but it's worth it.
ok so it's just less drag on your engine useing x ring. more horsepower. be very minimal. useing high octaine 98 pump fuel will give you more horsepower.
Agree with the chain comment, but not the octane comment. Higher octane has nothing to do with power just by switching, that's not what octane ratings are about
@@thedirtyworkshop i googled it says higher power and performance 98 over 91 octane . so ive allways thought. more bang is more power . unless im missed something...better economy and more performance. well thats what i reading. i wouldn't be thinking much power more ..same very minimal .. same as the chain drag.
Octane ratring is about anti-detonation. Nothing more. If you increase the compression ratio then you can get more power, but not if you just change the octane rating
@@thedirtyworkshop the debate is on at work now .. that if I run 91 octaine down the drag strip quarter mile .and then 98 octaine . I will get same time. same horsepower.
NIce explanation but it seems theoretical. What is the actual difference in performance? 2 hp loss on a 100+ hp bike? 0.2 hp? Less? Or are people paying for the hype of a mostly theoretical difference that doesn't manifest outside of absolute top of the line performance, e.g. nitrogen in F1 car tires?
out of most of you videos, I have not seen that silver can move on your work bench. is that a torch? every time I see you videos I look for that can and sure as shot it's there lol
After 15 years i quit for a year and ended back on the smokes again, went to vaping this time and i've not smoked for nearly 3 years and have no intention or desire to go back this time, if you can do it good luck to you but vaping is nowhere near as bad for you as smoking, i feel much better. Anyway, any chance you could explain pro's and cons of standard 'O' rings V 'X' rings in different applications? please.
lol, I always laugh when people claim lost horsepower with o ring chain....I just think they need more horses...never had an issue. I'd rather have a negligible " loss" of HP than a chain unlubed in the peat/ mud/ sand/ clay that I ride in. gotta say an x or o ring lasts far longer in service and better sprocket wear than plain chain. power loss on my current 125 4 t Suz or 450 r Honda ....never noticed much...or dvx400 or ds650, or 350 warrior but I have noticed premature chain failure without x or o. but what would I know....only been riding sport quads and dirt bikes since 1980.....I learned what worked and what didn't.... aluminum sprocket s and non o ring is best suited for 1 race in the big leagues....not long term reliability
All I know is my cheap chain and sprocket has died after a few months even cleaned and oiled so this time Ill spend a bit more and get better stuff then some cheap Chinese stuff
main reason for x ring chains is that they are more narrow than o ring chains. Sone bikes (especially bikes that originally came with a standard chain) cannot use an o ring chain because it will touch the engine case. One example is the KDX 200/220. An o ring chain will wear against the engine case behind the front sprocket but an x ring will not. Bet you didn't realize that.
has anyone ever told you that you are one of the best when it comes to drawing stuff?
Lol... fuck playing Pictionary with you !
Does one have a master link
Or both
Brilliant explanations and clear drawings too. First time I have ever found out the difference between 'O' and 'X' rings. Very useful.
The X ring has a smaller contact surface area, but it also has the benefit of acting as a double seal of sorts.
So they're not 60% less contact area then!?
@@Richard_L_Y It is. "The X ring has a smaller contact surface area" is what oddballperformance just said. He took a good, detailed, 9 minute explanation, and made it into an explanation that somebody who doesn't have the mechanical ability of changing out their front tire, can understand.
And X-Rings provide a better lubrication since it holds back more lube in the gaps of the X-Ring that contacts the friction surfaces. That is what I think a good reason to have a X-Ring chain.
Very helpful second time watching this video. I've used O-ring chin loved it for its quietness. Cant wait to try an X-ring next. Makes perfect sense. Thanks
Stellar video! Thanks for the undeniably spot on information!
Great work, best explanation I've ever seen.
Your old stuff is still gold matt
Thank you so much for the explanation! It's very clear! 😁
Exactly what i was looking for on the 2 different chain types. Now i know to always buy X-ring
Just about to purchase the x ring chains now, is it still easy to remove a link in the x ring chain..if the x ring chain needs to be shortened.?
Same as any rivet chain
I hit like before watching your videos , honestly more than the info i wanted & short & sweet
Nice One
My experience with o-ring chains is not good. They used to sell them as high end chains in the 70s. I have always ridden in all kinds of weather. What always happened with the o-ring chains I've had is that it wouldn't be long before they got kinks in them. I couldn't get lube to the spots where the kinks were because the o-ring.. I believe that water and other contaminants were sucked in, when the chain was hot and then hit cold water. So, the bike I bought back then came with o-ring chains on them, as if they were doing you a favor.They never lasted very long for me. Once they are kinked, they are trash. I always replaced them with a regular chain, which could atleast be cleaned lubed, so it did last longer. But, the maintenance on them was high. So for a long time I went with shaft and belt drives. A few years ago I bought a sportbike and put on an x-ring chain. It was amazing, no high maintenance and no kinking. I would have to credit the x-rings shape as to better sealing, one part of the x keeping out contaminants, the other side keeping grease in. The way I could tell is by how little chain adjustment was needed. My last bike was a ZX10R that I rode almost every day for 2 years. I think I had to adjust the chain 4 times. When I sold it at 10000 miles the chain was still serviceable. So in my opinion x-ring chains do last longer by far, plus they are cleaner.
"My experience with o-ring chains is not good. They used to sell them as high end chains in the 70s."
- well that was the 70's - things get better as time goes on.
@@thedirtyworkshop Yea they have got better, they are called x-rings. O-rings are still o-rings, no matter what year
tolerances have got better
Another upgrade plan added to the upgrade bucket list.
Im about to do a 520 conversion on my r6 .i was looking for a good brand .you did a video on D.I.D chain .it looks like a good choice. Thanks matt .
Are you coming from a 530 chain ?
Such a great video man thankyou for the video just what i needed
Thanks for this... that was a genuine I need to know this to understand it, and now I do. 😃
He draws such good diagrams that I got a weird shiver every time he rubbed it off, I kinda wanted him to keep it to the side..
This game of Tic-tac-toe looks very complicated but I am sure my RR will love to play... xD My wallet prefers the O and my bike will get the X. Great video! Thanks!
Doesn’t matter which, the center bushing (roller) will wear out long before the side plates.
"These fucking rings are tiny" lmao 😅😅
Sure there is O-ring and X-ring but you forgot the 3rd option... Dell-ring. Dell-ring chains come lubricated from factory with snake oil and promise to remain extremely slack regardless of how much you tighten or paid for it.
Sold! Do they also offer a universal permanent oil filter? I'm also in the market for gluten-free tires.
It’s not the contact area that’s the primary cause of drag, it’s the compressive force. Assuming friction coefficient is the same. No?
Even sealed chains will last longer with regular cleaning and lubrication. Well worth the effort in light of how expensive they are.
That's presumably down to removing accumulated shite from the rollers & lubricating them effectively. I've been using scottoilers on my bikes for years - and they definitely reduce wear & reduce the need for regular cleaning.
Nice presentation and great sweater
Wow love the way you explain....😍
Very informative. Thank you!
I’m getting it, I at first thought that X-rings would hold on to more lubricant where the O-ring would just have lubricant at it’s surface and the X could have it inside it X figure and because of that make the chain itself last longer because of better libricated friction surface
If it's all about performance (less resistance), how much improvement are we talking about? Is it even a factor? You might get more performance by filing a few ounces of metal off some other component. This needs to be quantified.
Agreed. I also want to see how durability of the chain is changed. Looks to me like the X ring wont seal for as long as an O ring.
I think it's more about how long the seals last, as he said it depends on how long you decide you are keeping your bike and how many miles you are likely to do. That is why X-ring chains are sold as heavy duty chains.
X ring has two contact points compared to one contact point on an O ring, per side. Improves the seal. Hence, they last longer.
Thanks man, that was very informative
Can you make a video about the advantages and disadvantages of wave disc compared to regular brake discs? also why do they put dimples and grooves in brake discs?
Ewout Wielenga wavy discs may stay cleaner on a dirt bike, other than that there's no advantage. Drilled and grooved discs are for releasing gasses made by the brake pads, much less important now with modern materials
thanks for the answer
drilled and grooved discs also improve brake performance
bjorn wisman why is That? I cant think of a good reason why it would
The slots and grooves provide a rougher surfaces which the pad digs into and thus creates more friction
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Did anyone else wonder the first few minutes if he spoke a foreign language? Damn!
Are there any bikes that use an "automatic chain oiler" like a chainsaw? When I was young- my Friend had a Yamaha 250, that was 2 cycle- but it had a separate oil tank, and when you twisted the throttle- it would squirt oil into the charge stream. No pre mixing of fuel/oil required. Kind of a PITA if you forgot to fill BOTH tanks!
HUBBABUBBA DOOPYDOOP I don't think any came out of the factory with a chain oiler, though some bikes had fully enclosed chains submersed in oil. There are a few aftermarket chain oilers though, I'm not great with chain maintenance and I do a lot of miles so I bought a scottoiler and it's great
off topic but had a debate about evans waterless coolant whats your thoughts on it this i think its rubbish
Great question, already on the list, I added that one at the beginning of the bike tech series, just haven't got round to it yet?
martin hale dude you just need to use the proper stuff
It is far superior in every aspect to ethylene glycol.
Great on 2 smokers but not so 4 strokes it fried my wr450 at low attitude ... whisky throttle
You guys need to understand they have different types they make for different types of engines like if your engine is small you must use a type that is easier to pump you also need to use the stuff they tell you to use to flush your system before you put the waters coolant in
thanks mate, great explanation
ive always wondered ? the chain comes pre-greased. but as time goes on. does the grease stay put behind the seal through its lifetime. or is it slowly being replaced by your chain lube. hencefort doesnt it also being contaminated by dust slowly making its way in between, behind seals and into the rollers? "If" does the new applied lube replaced the old contaminated and fling of?
It should remain sealed for the duration of the chains life
For an electric bike where every wh matters, x ring and maybe a scottoiler is a benefit I’d imagine?
How about cooking the chain in grease ?
I'm a farmer and in winter we collect all chains from the machines, clean them and then cook them in special chain grease, a hard type of grease.
My wife is not happy with it cos it stinks in the kitchen,but its only once a year.
It makes the chain real smooth.
The art is about at which temperature you take them out again, cos we want the outside cleaned but the grease must stay inside.
Taking them out is not in the kitchen, its in the shop.
A few trics to clean the outside,with air and stuf.
We have no O rings in tha chains
Plus there can be more lubricant under the bridge of the X ring and therefore extending the life of the chain. Possibly?
Yeah ish. Like I said, I haven't seen anything other than marketing wank to show me otherwise
As long as the X ring maintains the seal for as long as the O ring chains do. It could go either way. A well designed X ring may last longer than an O ring. A poorly designed X ring may not last as long as an o ring.
Are x-ring chains lighter weight?
Matt is there any benefit in going down chain size to increase power? For example going from a 525 to a 520 chain? I've read claims made by people saying that going down a size can increase rwhp by approx 5hp. Sounds like bullshit to me but is there any truth in It? Surely the chain size is chosen at design/test stage of bike to be suitable to handle the stress put through It?
Utter, utter bullshit and possibly dangerous
Hear this a lot for a lot of big bikes I don't like the idea tbh unless it's for racing and changed every race
thank you for the very valuable informstion & awesome drawings! what do you think about Z ring vs X ring? I have KMC Z series 9 speed, should i switch to KMC X series for better performance?
Same thing really
@@thedirtyworkshop very well then, i will stick with the current chain. thank you!
I guess you could also add there are 3 voids for chain oil to fill whereas "O" ring just 2, therefore, extending the chains life .... maybe???
Great video i always wanted to know this and i am just about to get a new chain 👍
It is frictional coefficient of oring rubber and the force, not the surface. You can use oring and not squash it and you will have less power loose on the chain drive but not very good seal. Xring can deform like scisors so you can reduce that squashing force and keep the chain sealed.
force applies to a surface area is pressure..... if what you're saying is true then how would a Nitrile O ring in an x shape reduce the coefficient of friction?
I think you need to rethink your comment.
Isn't the force of friction only affected by the normal force and de coëfficient of friction? I thougt contact area isn't in the equation.
It isn't and that's a good point - however in real word applications seperating mechanical load (force over time) seen as though the system is a contact system then force and surface area this is a pressure.
With Coulomb's equations we just use force and usually this gives a close enough approximation, but surface area cannot be ignored - This is why dragster have wide tyres.
Wiki -
"Friction and contact area
It is an empirical fact for many materials that F = μN, where F is the frictional force for sliding friction, μ is the coefficient of friction, and N is the normal force. There isn't a simple derivation for sliding friction's independence from area.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contact_area
i run did vt2 x ring chains and they last about 60 hrs and the links are still ok the rolers wear through and brake of. no ring chain (did ert) lasts 15 to 20 hrs. i have also tried the vx series o ring chain and the links also held up til all the rollers had fallen off so it is hard to tell if the x ring beats the o ring or not...
I thought you were drawing a ninja turtle for a second
For the first time I heard I haven't f*cked in seven days. LOL
Damn, you just explained the shit outta that!
...great explanation, thanks!
What's the best spray for x ring chain like d.i.d.? I had a quick look on google and it says it's best to use no lube because the x rings are already lubed so just keep them clean which is what I would ideally want, no grease on my new chain.
here - ua-cam.com/video/Nl4CKAUvfU4/v-deo.html
and the follow-up here -
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oh and the original video - ua-cam.com/video/kik7FtVv1DE/v-deo.html
I use parafin oil (a.k.a. lamp oil) to clean the chain, and "bar and chain" chainsaw oil to lube the chain. Bar and chain oil is cheap; I use Walmart brand. I brush it on with a cheap 1" paint brush.
I thought the point of an x-ring chain was that you need two lips to keep the external water seperate from the internal grease - similar to a double-lip oil seal on a shaft. Supposedly with o-rings the water wicks under and draws the grease out leading to early failure. With an x-ring there is an (air?) gap in the middle seperating oil from water. Is there truth to this?
x ring lasts longer because it has 4 seal points "than" 2 in side of pin, one keeps oil in and upperone dirt out, keeps oil better inside roller when chain gets wear
Until you look at an actual chain and realise that's not true...
Thanks Alot so realistic
Can u use either one for a GSXR? Or is it a certain one I need
Get an x ring or o ring - just make sure it has some sort of ring
The Workshop preciate it 👍
Is there not an argument here that as well as there being less resistance and lower drag with the "x"ring, there is also the advantage of having not one, but two sealing surfaces. Granted that there is, overall, less sealing area but having two barriers against road crud has to be better and therefore longer lasting (theoretically)..
I've had both types on my bikes over the years (as well as no rings at all!) and I couldn't really tell if there was more or less resistance in the chain that would affect my ride (other than longer service life...). however, I'm not a racer and there every tiny advantage helps..
How are heavy duty (non-o-ring) chains different from standard chains? Or is it just marketing guff?
Great vid, cheers.
bro best description ever the drawings haha brilliant your great..... u are British version of me curse words and all {not on the drawings tho i cant draw for shit} and crazy i just started using vape to gonna try to quit smoking with it too hope its been working for you ya
What about the 'Z' ring chains, any point to those?
A top 🍌 explanation! 👍🏻
sooo.. when is the duke engine video coming?
When you stop asking
You got big nuts.
Maybe they sould make a vehicle that use it first?
Awesome channel! Zero BS and all the information. And ofc I have a question :) can I use X ring rivet link on my O ring chain (525 DID V8), rivet link is did 525VX.
xdanano no reason why not
As long as it fits and the rivet length and diameter are the same yes
Thx guys!
If the reason to choose either is about resistence, then why not make the oring diameter smaller so the contact patch is smaller?
So, your saying that if you want to drive a motorcycle for the X-Men, one should buy an X-Ring chain because the chain of this type is design by the X-Men, however, not by "O" men! Right!?😳
I would motocross on my life I have tried The three of them and off road doesn't make a difference what one
Thank you sir.
Fantastic! :D
Brilliant vid
6:22 "Not only is it radioactive" 🤔
hi Matt. 2006 yam yz250f. raced at Dezzi raceway in SA twice. all good. we decided to drop the back sprocket from 49 tooth to a 45 tooth. took bike for a spin in the neighborhood, developed a heat seize. oil and and coolant good. does the valve timing need to be adjusted?? after 1 hr bike started properly. no hassle. should we do the valve timing??? thanks mate. give me your cell number. i'll be a hit in SA.
hey thanks m8
So if I had for example a race rep like a Yamaha R125. Which would you recommend? ;-)
x ring - but unless your racing it. it doesn't really matter
Nitrous oxide video please
nitrous oxide: N2O
Easy. An engine can only burn so much fuel (based on how much oxygen it has). By adding a dab of Nitrous oxide you are basically leaning out the engine (more air than is needed), so you can add more fuel for a bigger bang.
The limit is only your stupidity. You WILL destroy at least one engine in your life if you ever get into nitrous. You can't really overdo it, until it melts.
He did that already (well few days ago now)
there is some N20 on Mars.
Are the channels on the sides and bottom of the X ring loaded with grease too?
Nicely done!
Yes
Good topic 🥳
hello . I just saw a video that had a engine kind of like your 1stroke. it was a huge stationary engine. of 1000s of cubic inches. 18" bore x18" stroke. 2 cylinder. they called it a double acting. because it fired on both sides of the piston! looked like a 2-3" rod. through the cylinder head on both ends. maybe you can find more by searching double acting engines? if you are interested. it was 4 stroke I think.
Yes dude, someone already linked it to me - m
O'ring or the X-ring chains are supposedly better than the older style chain, pre (O'ring) yes manufacturing tolerances may be better these days, but it's totally impossible to clean a modern chain & re-lube it effectively ... older style chains are a 1/3 of the price & 2/3's of the weight, they can be 100% de-greased & cleaned & 100% re-lubed ... a well looked after non O'ring chain will outlast any modern chain, tested this fact myself.
Hey Matt when talking about chain life is it worth it to fit a scottoiler to the bike.
A scottoiler not only lubricates but it keeps your chain clean and rust free. i've got one on my bandit 1200, my last chain adjustment was over 4000 miles ago and is still in spec (did x ring). The downside is that they do make a bit of a mess.
As for extending chain and sprocket life, if you keep your chain clean and lubricated i don't see a scottoiler extending your chain life very much, I got it for the convenience as my bandit is used every day in all weathers and chain maintenance in pissing rain in the middle of winter wasn't high on my list of priorities, but if you only ride on weekends i don't see them being worthwhile.
right thanks for the answer.
+1 on the mess, got one on my sv650s. I use it daily as well, was never good with chain maintenance so in my case it was well worth it. I wouldn't buy one new but they come up used on ebay for around £30 quite often. When it comes to extending chain life I think they do help, no matter how ofter you oil and clean your chain, normal chain lube is thick and tacky and picks up grit which wears out your chain whereas a chain oiler uses thinner, non tacky oil which is constantly replaced (hence the mess)
WD40 or shaft drive - scottoiler's are bloody messy...
My Scottoiler equipped ZZR1100 has done 45000 miles and still has the original EK chain and JT sprockets, it hardly ever needs adjustment and I can barely pull the chain off the rear sprocket at the 3 o'clock position. There's no hooking of the teeth and the chain is always clean and grit-free. Same on the mess but it's worth it.
take apart an old one and show the inside rust of a sealed chain -a slower bad fit. d.s.
ok so it's just less drag on your engine useing x ring. more horsepower. be very minimal. useing high octaine 98 pump fuel will give you more horsepower.
Agree with the chain comment, but not the octane comment. Higher octane has nothing to do with power just by switching, that's not what octane ratings are about
@@thedirtyworkshop i googled it says higher power and performance 98 over 91 octane . so ive allways thought. more bang is more power . unless im missed something...better economy and more performance. well thats what i reading. i wouldn't be thinking much power more ..same very minimal .. same as the chain drag.
Octane ratring is about anti-detonation. Nothing more. If you increase the compression ratio then you can get more power, but not if you just change the octane rating
@@thedirtyworkshop the debate is on at work now .. that if I run 91 octaine down the drag strip quarter mile .and then 98 octaine . I will get same time. same horsepower.
NIce explanation but it seems theoretical. What is the actual difference in performance? 2 hp loss on a 100+ hp bike? 0.2 hp? Less? Or are people paying for the hype of a mostly theoretical difference that doesn't manifest outside of absolute top of the line performance, e.g. nitrogen in F1 car tires?
There isn't - its about wear and chain life - not everything is performance......
The x doesn’t cost much more than the o in good quality chains anymore. Did vx under 100 us bux. Why bother with anything else
out of most of you videos, I have not seen that silver can move on your work bench. is that a torch? every time I see you videos I look for that can and sure as shot it's there lol
lol I'm gonna move it now, no I'm gonna hid it in shot lol Yeah its a torch - matt
hahaha good idea
pause @0.27 and tell me that doesn't say something on your arm.
You are a bit "cucu ", but you know what you are talking about! And you draw really good :))
I've been smoking since I was 16 quit for vaping when I was 28 I'm now 30 and wonder why I ever touched grits
do the vaping thing is to quit, not replace smoking
After 15 years i quit for a year and ended back on the smokes again, went to vaping this time and i've not smoked for nearly 3 years and have no intention or desire to go back this time, if you can do it good luck to you but vaping is nowhere near as bad for you as smoking, i feel much better.
Anyway, any chance you could explain pro's and cons of standard 'O' rings V 'X' rings in different applications? please.
how did we jump from dirt bike chains to what you like to suck on for a head rush
lol, I always laugh when people claim lost horsepower with o ring chain....I just think they need more horses...never had an issue.
I'd rather have a negligible " loss" of HP than a chain unlubed in the peat/ mud/ sand/ clay that I ride in.
gotta say an x or o ring lasts far longer in service and better sprocket wear than plain chain.
power loss on my current 125 4 t Suz or 450 r Honda ....never noticed much...or dvx400 or ds650, or 350 warrior
but I have noticed premature chain failure without x or o.
but what would I know....only been riding sport quads and dirt bikes since 1980.....I learned what worked and what didn't.... aluminum sprocket s and non o ring is best suited for 1 race in the big leagues....not long term reliability
Hey you're a fucking artist 🤩
and H ring chains?
BiscuitTinOrchestra basically the same
I've been vaping for 6yrs. Works great for getting off the cigarette.
was going to shop and fuck the prices were different, go tell the dude in the Video Many Thanks!
yes I'll pay the extra.
All I know is my cheap chain and sprocket has died after a few months even cleaned and oiled so this time Ill spend a bit more and get better stuff then some cheap Chinese stuff
Must be a used car salesman
You lost me at 1:21 😐
fuckin x ring, I want, I'll replace my chain with an x ring,
Are you smoking YAMALUBE dude 😂
SHITE. I just wanted to know which I should buy. Which is better?
9 minutes later...
oh sorry for wasting 9 minutes of your pathetic life.
Mike L, 9 minutes OF KNOWLEDGE later! Weren't you interested in knowing WHY it's better? Damn...
Mike he said which was better at 3.30 😉
If fort nine was one end of the youtube world... this is the opposite...
main reason for x ring chains is that they are more narrow than o ring chains. Sone bikes (especially bikes that originally came with a standard chain) cannot use an o ring chain because it will touch the engine case. One example is the KDX 200/220. An o ring chain will wear against the engine case behind the front sprocket but an x ring will not. Bet you didn't realize that.