TENET | A Case of Intentional Ambiguity (feat. FilmSpeak)
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Yes, I pronounced 'Hoyte' wrong. Also yes, The Prestige got 2 Oscar noms.
Thanks again to Griffin from @FilmSpeak for joining the video. His full Tenet take is here: ua-cam.com/video/2AY1JghA4tw/v-deo.html
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It was an honor and a privilege to chat Tenet with you man! Thanks for having me. One of my all time favs and one that gets better and better with each rewatch. Living for the Tenaissance!
I’ve been Tenet’s biggest fan since I took my friend to see it opening night. Most unforgettable movie watching experience for me ever. I still have the movie ticket in all its faded glory in my wallet to this day.
You make it sound like it came out decades ago😂
Unpopular take, Tenet is my favorite Nolan movie next to Inception and Interstellar. Great video
THE TENETAISSANCE
Love it
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The Temporal Pincer Maneuver! Wouldn't that be fucked up!! That would be so fucked up!
Mmmmmm love me some Teney sauce!
im so happy about the tenet renaissance (the tenaissance) what i like about the protag is that he's a man of action, in more ways than one. when don't get to judge him on backstory or a personal struggle, rather his response to certain situations. the fact that he willing sacrifices his life like, 5 different times in this movies make me like him more than any tragic backstory could.
I understand this movie isn't for everyone but i appreciate the uniqueness of this film, I couldn't stop thinking about the concept of inversion for MONTHS after seeing the film
I like the film but its a bit strange that how decisions that people usually critique as poor writing in any other film can be framed as subversive and clever as long as Nolan does it. I mean seriously, this dude did not invent this sort of ‘spin’ on the protagonist, its pretty damn widespread to have a protagonist who has no backstory or personal involvement in the conflict
Like Nolan says in one of the interviews I used - you judge character through action. I had a section about the sailing scene that I took out of the video, but basically my views is that you don't need to hear the dialogue in that scene because the actions are what matters: Cat trying to kill Sator, and The Protagonist risking himself to save the villain because of his importance to the mission. The exposition they discuss in that scene it totally inconsequential (and is largely repeated in the next scene), but you learn a lot about both the characters by watching how they act.
Took my son to see it opening weekend. We both really liked it, but felt like we needed to rewatch to really grasp it. So we went back and watched again the very next day! I've rewatched it at least 20 or so times since. For me its the most rewatchable film ever
Tenet really is one of those movies that truly melts the brain and fills your mind with ideas and imagery. Using entropy and inversion as a plot device is easily the hardest Sci-Fi put to film imo, how do you convey a feature of the universe that is happening all around us but is essentially invisible? To me this is why Nolan deserves the title of ‘visionary’. Only a handful of directors would dare to try and make a movie like this.
The scene where the protagonist navigates an inverted world will always be up there in my list because it’s a scene that is just impossible to truly understand, you can watch it 20 times and still be like “why can’t my brain get this lol?”.
Tenet honestly is one of if not the best movie I’ve ever seen. I’m so glad it’s starting to get the love it deserves. I hope the love for it keeps going up
THE TENAISSANCE
Man I was just talking about how I don't understand Christopher Nolan movies can be controversial with my friends. I mean people's comments against the movie are really funny. And seeing this notification while talking about the same topic was interesting.
People misunderstand Nolan’s intentions because his films tend to be, at least on a surface level, self serious. With the exception of Memento, Nolan is not interested in crafting logic puzzles in his scripts.
i PRAY that the bike instructor has seen this clip because that is absolutely awesome.
I will say, i didnt see it in theaters and usually watch movies with subtitles anyway so i never had the sound problem and loved it from the first i saw it lol
She has indeed - it was doing the rounds a few months ago, and everyone took it in very good humour: variety.com/2024/film/news/christopher-nolan-peloton-apology-tenet-1235864434/
Tenet is my favorite of his films.
film speak is a big nolan stan (like myself) so this collab makes sense
ok, i legit laughed at the nolan watching 2001 joke
The Prestige is so brilliant.
One of my favourite movies - another one that benefits from re-watching many times.
Yes! Was my favourite Nolan film until I saw TENET!
I always felt like that the Protagonist is 'blank', because we do not see his whole arc. As it is said in the movie too, we only see the beginning of his arc...
I think this film will be most favorite film of all time. The rewatch value never diminishes, the score is so good it has plagued my top 100 songs of the year. I’ve watched it 30+ times and even watched it in reverse. I feel like I have an unhealthy obsession but it’s all to Chris Nolan’s credit.
The Tenetheads are gonna love this
Tenetheads unite!
It makes perfect sense that we don't understand everything about the way inversion works because the characters themselves are in the same situation. And it makes perfect sense for them to be in that situation because they're dealing with a piece of technology from the future that cannot be likened to anything from the present. It's like going back 100 years and trying to explain to people what NFTs are. They may get some sort of superficial understanding from your explanation, but them not being able to talk about it regularly, or see its development makes it borderline impossible for them to reach the same level of understanding of it that we do. The best way to introduce it to them is to let them experience it.
The way to best execute the temporal pincer move isn't to take a pen and paper and explain exactly how it works to each individual member, it's to learn on the job and act based on your instincts. If a we were to teach warriors from the Roman Empire how to use a tank, you wouldn't start explaining to them how the thing was built or the mechanics of how exactly it operates and why it works, you'd just shove them in there, explain the basics of how to control it, and let them do it, and they'll get better and better at it without needing any additional information
Saw the movie once alone -- it was cool, though a bit complicated. Saw it again during a drunk movie night with a friend, and during the escape from the restaurant dude says "he's doing a grate job" as the protagonist defends himself with a cheese grater.
That's how Tenet exists in my mind now, for better or for worse.
Sounds like a grate memory to me
It is a grate scene.
i feel so validated, i knew Tenet was going to be a cult hit despite everything, and now vindication is at hand !
THE TENAISSANCE
Ironically, its my favorite Nolan film. Saw it twice in theaters when it came out in 2020, and I was the only man in the showing.
Likewise - at least I got a good seat!
I got Tenet on BluRay when if first came out. I wasn't 100% on board with it but I knew there was more to it than I was seeing at first. I ponder on the movie for a week and watched it again and everything started to click.
I also had trouble understanding a lot of what people were saying the first time I watched it. It was late at night I didn't want to necessarily disturb my neighbors with huge explosive noises and stuff that you can't really predict coming. The second time I watched it, I turned up the volume and I no longer had issues hear what people were saying except during that speedboat racing thingy, but I don't think whatever they were saying was all that important. The visuals told you all you needed to know along with the next scene.
Awesome movie. Glad it is getting rediscovered by everyone.
The second viewing is so great!
Oh my god this video is perfect for explaining how Tenet is exactly what it is... A fantastic experience. I watched it then immediately watched it again and got frustrated not understanding it and then realized that was the genius of it, not understanding it fully and not having a flashy constantly explosive protagonist but someone who just does whats needed to be done. Thats when I realized this was a once in a lifetime experience as a film once that hits you
Yo I KNEW this was the type of film to be appreciated down the road. I think ifs fandom is only gonna grow exponentially as the nerdy people embrace this masterpiece until the normies start following suit
IF you want to beat the Classic Morbius, John David Washington, aka Protagonist, should of said out load, "ITS MORB... I mean, ITS TENET TIME!"
I love the scene where he just TENETs all over the place
Tenet is my favorite Nolan film!
YES! SEY!
Since its release I’ve made like 10 people watch this movie. Definitely my favorite from Nolan’s movies.
Watching this with someone who has never seen it before is so entertaining - so many 'what the hell!' moments.
I never really cared much for Nolan's films. However, my friends are all huge Nolan fans, so I have seen many of them, and when Tenet first came out, we went to see it in the theatres.
Man. That was the best film experience I ever had.
It's been my favourite movie ever since.
I was never bothered about the muffled dialogue or the confusing plot, because it all made sense to me.
Of course we don't hear the dialogue, cause it's completely irrelevant.
Of course the plot is complicated, it's time travel with strict rules.
So all these creative decisions that people keep criticizing are so strange to me.
I have since seen Oppenheimer in theatres, and now also Dune 2, but they all failed to really capture me, like all other of Nolan's films also failed.
Only Tenet really got me. Or I got it. I do not know.
i stopped your video midway, watched tenet, then continued 😆 was my 3rd watch, but it was awesome. Indeed spotted some new things.
This is the way.
I saw Tenet back in late 2020 at home, and really liked it. I didn't find it confusing or hard to understand at all. I know I hear complaints about Nolan's sound mixing, but I've never had a problem following or understanding any of his films.
So much of it just depends on the particular sound setup people watch it in. Everyone's home media setup is completely different and that results in very inconsistent experiences. It can even vary between cinemas. I've never had an issue seeing it in a proper cinema, but watching on a TV at home I can see where people are coming from with the sound issues. I've found using noise cancelling headphones instead of the TV sound makes any movie (not just Tenet) sound better than just using the normal TV speakers.
Great video. Tenet has been my favorite movie since I first saw it. Nolan made possibly his best movie and people did not give it respect it deserves. I hope many people come to love it.
I am a great advocat for Tenet, it is my favourite Nolan movie to date, and I am constantly telling my friends and family essentially the same you summarized in this video, Thanks for making it, now I can just send them the link :)
Awesome job!
My fav Nolan is the Prestige where understanding the steps of the trick you understand the most complex Nolans films
Each trick is a simple solution
When you find the simplest solution in TENET you get what the film is. The laneways of time is merged into one lane
Here is where Nolans love for Bond comes in as after watching this film and Moonraker came to mind that film has jumped into my fav Bonds.
Glad to see this renaissance for the film because out of anything the way the film progresses into it's final act is to be seen
"Memento" is still his best I believe..that movie is a masterpiece psychic thriller
OMG THIS IS THE EXPLANATION IVE BEEN TRYING TO EXPLAIN TI EVERYONE THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!
I LOVE TENET, well I am a Christopher Nolan Fan-Boy and I am very happy to see that TENET is still finding its audience!
i love Tenet. I've watched it about 10 times in the past month. It's definitely been in the zeitgeist and I love it.
I love it so much I bring it up to people whenever we're talking about what to watch or underrated movies or fav movies.
4:34 hell yeah
11:42 it would have to be 2002, not 2020.
100% agree and also Tenet is perfectly logical and understandable :P I never liked the idea that you're literally not supposed to understand it but feel it. You can absolutely do both, which is even more thrilling every time.
Happy about this. Watched it a lot of times. Great movie.
Thank you my friend.
Great video! I loved Tenet, especially the way the music and sound design kept insisting I stop analysing the movie during the movie. It stopped me from being like Angier in The Prestige: trying to outsmart the uncanny.
I love Tenet. Party of one for life.
dude i loved this
I still see this movie as a failure to realize the intention of the director. Dunkirk started out to do the same thing in this area, and achieved the effects while in theatre; but for Tenet, people have to spend time rewatching and talking about it before they can "feel" it. As a movie strive to provide an experience, Tenet failed miserably where Dunkirk succeeded.
You can't just collectively gaslight the audience to ignore their feeling (of frustration, repulsion, etc) to feel the movie.
This movie is just amazing. I couldn’t faking believe that I was watching it and somebody actually had this idea and then filmed a huge blockbuster after
Watching that final battle just blows my mind every time. How the HELL did they film that!?!
Best rewatch value of his entire filmography (IMO). Wasn't thrilled with it at first watch, but now I really like it 😅😅
It gets better with every re-watch
Tenet can be more appreciated now due to Nolan's (arguably) masterpiece Oppenheimer, it's a more complete film that allows viewers to then enjoy Tenet for what it does do instead of what it doesn't do.
Both this score (Tenet) and the score from Loki season one, had on repeat.
My hot take is this: Nolan is wrong about this movie being meant for theaters. Its meant to be streamed where you can pause to wrap your brain around the plot and with subtitles so you can understand the dialog. I never saw it in the theatre and streamed it the first time and loved it. I think youre right about intensions and that theres thing more important than just understanding...but also people dont like loud synthy music blasting on theatre speakers and an inability to understand the actor's words. I think thats a valid compalint and its not a problem if you can control those aspects from your home.
I don't want a Tenet renaissance. I want a Tenet remix so I can make out the stinkin dialogue without subtitles on. Because I REALLY liked Tenet, but I was like "dang, wha he just say?"
Absolutely. So many ‘rewind, I didn’t hear what they said’ moments!
I wouldn't dwell on those things too much if I were you. Context clues are your friend.
@@chrisjfox8715 Maybe. But, if the dialogue doesn't matter and Nolan wanted to go "full art film" and present inaudible dialogue as a creative choice, then he ought to have made the movie WITHOUT dialogue at all. That would have been interesting.
I saw it 4 times in the theatre back in 2020, the first time it was in IMAX.
OK but for real, Tenaissance is such a fucking cool name.
Regardless of Nolan’s intentions with Tenet being a movie that would motivate people to go to the movies like Top Gun Maverick, at least make the movie more marketable and easy to follow. Top Gun’s plot, dialogue and protagonist were very charismatic and simple to follow, that the audience was able to stay engaged with the movie until the end. Tenet on the other hand, had a main character not as charismatic as Tom Cruise or lacked the gravity to captivate an audience someone like Idris Elba or John Boyega could do. Not to mention the complex dialogue and scientific theory & analysis requires someone with a master’s degree to understand it. Coupled with the distracting sound level of the score that block out character dialogue in fast-paced moments that require the viewer’s undivided attention; then Nolan comes out and says it was intentional, yea intentionally bad sound editing that’s what it is.
It’s funny enough that another movie filled with just as much sci-fi concepts and a competent protagonist (given a backstory) was easier to follow and understand all the way through; Inception. I think much of the problem with Tenet was Nolan getting too exited about the complex scientific ideas written into the script that by the time he was done he realized he overdid it, so he tried to compensate by adding a last minute line in the movie to “don’t try to understand it, feel it”. So yeah, even though the movie itself had incredible action set pieces, cinematography and soundtrack I personally listen to from time to time, the overall paradoxical nature of the movie puts it at the bottom of Nolan’s movies. I hope we get a sequel that’s simpler to follow and emotionally investing that audiences will be satisfied with.
The only criticism I have about tenet is the Dialogue sound mixing. The amount of movies today that require the subtitles to be on because the artist is trying to convey some sort of realistic sound quality is frustrating. I enjoyed the movie so much better when I could finally understand what everyone was saying. But I had to have the subtitles in order to do it. That is a failure on the director's choice.
I'd recommend a great set of headphones next time, no subtitles, and not getting so caught up in needing to hear every single word. Think context clues over every literal detail.
It's a valid point re: modern films and dialogue mixing, but it is also an issue with home media. The movies tend to be mixed and released for a perfect 5.1 setup, even though not everyone has a soundbar or home theatre setup. The built in speakers in most TVs and computers aren't very good at balancing that sort of mix. So it is very annoying that so many movies get released with an audio mix that isn't compatible with most people's home media setup, requiring subtitles or constantly changing the volume.
I can say if you see Tenet in a proper cinema setup, you can hear all the dialogue just fine, but at home it can definitely be hard. I've actually found watching movies with noise cancelling headphones instead of the TV sound makes the sound mix seem much more balanced.
13:12 Agree that people complaining about the movie’s complexity are missing the point, but that Michael Spicer video is so damn good.
I have a download of teneT in reverse that I plan to watch soon just for the lols, but I’d love to watch it again in IMAX.
I genuinely love that Michael Spicer video. Definitely not above enjoying parodies of things I love.
To me, it’s the best original action/spy movie
Very interesting video..I never understood this movie..watched it in cinema and try to watch it ever since..I can't fully come in..Not saying it's a bad movie that's why I would love to see your opion on it...I love SIfi action (The Matrix, Existenz) ...those I could come in from start to finish..Yet I never had this with Tenet..despite I remmember a fantastic action scene on the highway..with reverse car drive sequence..wich reminded me of Matrix 2 a bit..
11:36 2020 isn't a palindrome. 2020 backwards is 0202. '2002' would be a palindrome
Don't know if it's luck or misfortune or both but I just saw this movie recently and completely loved it, I wish I had seen it in the big screen but nonetheless it became a fav to me, I have always seen how people complain how they never understand Nolan movies and it puzzles me, maybe I get him or simply enjoy movies how they are meant to be seen by seeing them as a vision of the director or I am just weird lol anywho thanks for the video I am glad a lot of people feel the same way
I'm this movie's biggest fan. The first time I saw it was on a plane and it still changed me. I went on to watch over 20 times in 2021 and every subsequent viewing it got better and better.
Having a great screen and proper surround sound at home really was crucial in my loving it.
Definitely needs to be watched with a proper setup. Very impressed you enjoyed it even watching for the first time on a plane screen!
I loved It from the moment i saw It ask my friends
Im watching it tonight
Where can we reach them at?
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I just finished now im going to watch It in reverse
Much like the opening clip - I didn’t quite understand what was being said and it was a bit dark, lighting wise. If Nolan made his films a little easier to hear dialogue wise and upped the contrast a bit so we could actually see what’s happening, that would be excellent. It wasn’t a hard movie to follow and the script was fine, it was just frustrating at times to watch. Much like his Batman films (which are also excessively long but that’s for another day).
Excessively long? Those are fighting words lol
@@Nova-fh2et If you can’t tell a story in 90 minutes, you’re waffling.
@@GL-xz3xknah... Some of the greatest movies ever made are 3 hours long.
As for Tenet specifically, I guarantee you some of the dialogue you think you can't hear isn't adding some revelatory insight to your understanding of what's going on. Turn the volume up a bit and let context clues be your friend.
And honestly, I have no idea what it is you think you can't see due to contrast.
I like Tenet and I enjoyed watching it, a good film with some real thought behind it, I wish for a sequel. If you ask me to describe how it all fits together I will fail and rapidly get confused.
I have seen Oppenheimer twice and its alright, a pretty straight dull biopic really, but technically excellent.
Tenet is mad and really rather great, and watching it feels you are transported into a bonkers world, its very enjoyable.
I watched the movie high at the first time, I don't think it's that complicated
I understand the plot. It is visually stunning. The music is wonderful.
But there is no excuse for mixing dialog to be deliberately inaudible.
Without subtitles it is impossible to hear the dialog and follow the plot. And this is a tricky plot to follow even if you catch every word.
I think if the sound balance had been better for the dialog it would not have removed anything good. It would still have been an experience. It would just have been an experience where you can actually hear the script.
I prefer Tenet to Inception. I wish I saw it at the cinema.
Actually, The Prestige got 2 Oscar nominations, might edit that.
My mistake! The point in the script still stands, but yes, the table is incorrect. Thanks for the correction, not sure how I missed that.
i watched it a 2nd time and i still get a bit lost in the plot. Don't get me wrong it's still a cool looking movie, i love the idea or concept he created here, but how it comes together i still get lost. I watched some youtube videos to better understand it, and while it helped i still have questions. it's still is a great film but tough to watch and understand. I know the movie trys to tell us not to understand it but that's impossible to tell any human because are brains are always trying to understand things and why they happen, or what they could mean. Still the action scenes are cool and worth seeing.
I do understand that feeling of bad/confusing storys in movies, like some people say about star wars Epi 1 and BVS. I understand the issues the story may have but either I construct reasons in my head why it makes sense, or I turn that part of my brain off so i can enjoy the experience of the movie.
I give it a TENET OUT OF TEN
Didn't understand why people hated it upon release and I was wondering why people were fixated on being able to hear the dialogue.
Because they wanna believe that the dialogue they're missing holds the magical key to understanding what's going on...instead of allowing themselves to get swept away without worry of every little detail.
Fact is, most of the muffled dialog is either not that important, can be filled in using context clues, or isn't that tough to hear if you have a decent sound system.
Nolan's somehow perpetually bloated yet always typical poor plotting, lack of inciting motive, murky goals, absent story arcs, incomprehensible dialogue audio, incoherent action, discombobulating geographic orientation, and underdeveloped characters with no sense of spiritual depth -- but hey, there's an unnecessarilly abstruse random time shuffling gimmick. All masked by the confident drive of propulsively bombastic music!!!
Oh yes, very intentional ineptitude. Amazing!!!
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The Re-Invertation of Tenet ? Maybe? 😂🤣
I did play around with titles like 'The Inversion of Tenet's Reputation' and quickly realised they were universally terrible and shoe-horning 'inversion' into the title wasn't going to work, despite my best efforts 🤣
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Hahaha 😂🤣 I do like that.
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Nevertheless, great video on such a great film.
As an a quick mention, I got to see the movie in the Cinema in Australia. A pretty big screening but I did take a gf along and she did not enjoy the film. Alot of people who I took to see the film (5 people over 3 visits) didn't enjoy it because of the exact things you mentioned. The whole time I was just in awe. Every viewing (except dialogue but I didn't care because of what we got to experience and see) Ground breaking. Thank you for keeping the Tenaissance alive
Tenet is my favorite Nolan movie, Tenet made me respect more movies idk how to explain it but it changed everything, roast me in the comments if you want. I am going crazy lol, everytime i see some sort of emergency vehicle i get some sort of itch to turn on TRUCKS IN PLACE!!
Having a siren be part of the score for that scene is awesome!
Tbh I think it's a disservice to Tenet to boil it down to being artistically ambiguous in the same way that Inception's or 2001's endings are. Those endings are indeed ambiguous in the sense that they're up for debate based on the viewer's perspective.
Tenet on the other hand I would argue is paradoxical, not necessarily ambiguous. Difference being that the answer to pretty much every question posited in Tenet has a strict answer, you just have to think it through - and to whatever degree certain things are unknowable, they're either grossly unimportant or are no more conjecture-worthy than any detail any other movie doesn't show within its runtime. Ambiguity compels what-if type questions, whereas a paradox has inherently recursive logic no matter what. Physics, especially concepts concerning space-time, are notoriously paradoxical so it's only fitting that Tenet would fit that mold.
Bottom line, dare I say it, but the plot of Tenet most definitely has an explanation. It's not as complicated as a lot of people make it out to be.
Did you know if you watch Tenet in reverse, the action is boring, the music's too quiet and the plot makes perfect sense. Don't try to feel it, just understand it
"All I have for you is a word"- What the hell
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You're not talking about Tenet. You're talking about Pentex(Tenet)=> Tenet'. You've combined a very particular way to read a movie, to recast weaknesses as strengths, mistakes as intentional higher level achievements, etc. In general, Tenet is a beautiful promise poorly delivered resulting in a flawed movie. Through the Pentex function, Tenet', is a masterpiece.
There are probably bizarro alternate commentators who recast other flawed works (TLJ, GoT ending, Mother, Only God Forgives, The Counselor, Shutter Island, Revolver) as unseen masterpieces. It's one thing to say Tenet deserves a second look, but another to handwaive the massive problems that led it to turn off people who otherwise think the director is a genius.
I don't mean to be harsh; the channel's great and I'll probably rewatch to try to see what the Tenetheads see.
You could temporal pincer maneuver George Rail Road Martin into writing a better finale and send it back in time to shoot season 8, and it still wouldn't be comparable to Tenet.
GoT season 8 is two kids wrapping up a D&D session early. TLJ is the result of a director giving up on all consistency to "subvert" expectations. Tenet, even if just by virtue of being a single film instead of a trilogy or TV series, is itself. It's not rushed or sabotaged. If you don't like the end product that's fine, but at least it is a product.
6:22 Nope. Think back to most thrillers, action films, etc. we don't get that much back story. People ask about the backstory when the character they're currently seeing is flat. Tyler Durden, James Bond*, Ethan Hunt, Man with No Name -- hell even Daniel Plainview in a way -- these characters are charismatic and compelling so audiences are satisfied with the present and they don't need to get all the details of the past.
The desire for backstory is an indictment on John Washington's performance. When I watched it, I literally paused the movie to look him up at the bullet scene because he was incredibly flat.
Even Neo is a flat, no backstory character, but he works because the works around him is fascinating. These are all failures of Tenet. The only charm came from Pattinson. Kenneth Branagh can't help but over act (compare the new Hercule Poirot vs the old).
* Lazenby offered an image of James Bond with growth in OHMSS. He isn't uber competent, needs help, and gets his heart broken forty years before Daniel Craig.
I agree that a compelling protagonist makes for a solid thriller even without broader characterisation like the examples your mention, but this is where we'll need to agree to disagree on the performances of the lead actors in Tenet.
I do think JDW is great in this - it's an understated and very physical performance, but he brings just enough sarcasm and humour to the character in scenes where he is under threat in order to show he's not going to be intimidated (e.g. the hot sauce line to the thugs, or telling Sator he hasn't slept with his wife...yet). I also think Branagh, Pattinson and Debicki are excellent in their roles, but each to their own. Thanks for watching.
I happen to think his performance in this carries the movie quite well. His focus on the mission and physicality worked great at pulling me in, especially on repeat viewings
I don't think TENET would have done any better even if it was released post pandemic. The movie has lot of good technical aspects but is not ultimately a satisfying experience. Maybe it is because it was not easy to follow, maybe because it is not greatly entertaining..
Tenet was a great movie but goddamn people need to stop justifying how hard it is to hear dialogue in nolan movies
Tenant wasn’t just convoluted the entire premise was dumb. Reason it doesn’t make sense, is because, it does not make sense. It is completely illogical. It’s not something that you have to be smart to understand. The concept is rooted in fallacy. Christopher Nolan bit off more than he could chew.
You phrased what I feel perfectly. TENET has Inception-ed itself into my brain.
We create the world of the dream.
It wasn't just the main character that was boring, ALL the characters were boring and the further the movie goes on, the less you care about them or what they're up to. Also it's a long and boring movie.
It may be a movie unlike any other.
It is also an incoherent mess.
The plot is simple enough, it just doesn't make any sense.
It makes perfect sense. You're just watching from the perspective of the naive protagonist and need to go through the reversal for the pieces to fall into place. All the necessary information is given, and details can be hard to notice but they're not required for the narrative to make sense.
It makes sense.
The actual problems with Tenet are Debicki's character being annoying and not compelling for the protagonist to save and that the last action scene is set up and shot in a way that the objective is visually unclear and boring.
I'll just add that I don't think that Tenet's plot is that difficult to understand, but Nolan's non-informative method of filming action didn't help it. In any case, that's not really its problem.
“Tenet’s dialogue isn’t important… it’s a visual medium”
*movie has long unusable dialogue only scenes without extra visual flair*
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Neil is not Max!!!!
I'm pretty sure he is. It's definitely open to interpretation at the very least
That's a wild statement to make so definitively, as if you have some specific set of things to point out that disprove it as a possibility
@@chrisjfox8715 what, you wanna go meet in the parking lot? Calm down, dude.
When, in the shipping container on the boat TP introduces Neil to Kat who says “who are you?” - she doesn’t recognize her own son? Also, for the numbers to work Neil would have had to go backwards through time for about 12 years. That would drive him absolutely batshit crazy.
@@Graystaff Calm down? I was calm as hell when I wrote that and still am
its pronounced Renaissance
this is some real cope, tennet was awful because the editor had ADHD and couldnt stop cutting to something else every few seconds.
theres a good movie in there but the editing is just awful, i dont think i got past 30min until it was to annoying and hard to keep track of.
theres a big diffrence between not understanding because theres a mystery yet to be revealed, and being confused and nauseated from the edditing.
I love the movie, but the audio is that bad. Full stop!
The mix was bad but Ludwig Goransson made an incredible soundtrack. He also did Black Panther and has collaborated with Childish Gambino/Donald Glover on albums. He's excellent
Nah, it's still doodoo. Score is nice tho
no the movie is illogical
Washington is the main problem in this film. He's a decent actor but he's not a star, and this was a character that needed a star. I don't mean someone famous, I mean someone who is all charm and charisma. You feel the lack of backstory (and you miss the arc) because of the other things missing, not because backstory is necessary.
Yeah this movie was magnificently mediocre.
smarmy and one-liner would never go together as positive. The pandemic, killing people, are you joking?
Sorry, but….I couldn’t understand the plotline very well, and I could not hear or understand half of the dialogue…this was a deliberate decision by the creator to make me this uncomfortable and confused to the point where this absolutely WAS NOT A PLEASANT OR ENRICHING EXPERIENCE….AND NOLAN TOOK MY MONEY AND MY TIME TO DO IT….I WAS SO PISSED OFF AT HIM FOR THIS….AND I WAS (And am Still) A BIG FAN OF HIS…BUT, SCREW HIM FOR DOING THIS ON PURPOSE!
I did and do enjoy the movie, and I agree with many of your points. However, even if a conscious decision, unclear dialogue is just an annoyance as you strain to hear it and get frustrated you cannot. Someone of Nolan's skill should have used a different technique. Language and talking are so important to us, it should be used very sparingly and/or have obvious reasons for not being clear (*Ahem* Blazing Saddles). IMO it was used too often in the movie, and along with the awesomeness I felt plain annoyed.