Totally agree mate. Moving the Mod & PB wheels up isn't ideal but saves space. Less sliders and access to features quickly can be immense for some of us.
I can buy the Montage8 without a problem but I finally bought the MODX8. I'm very happy with my MODX8..... I can carry it very easy everywhere without help with one hand and with the other hand i can open the door of my car to transport it. It's very light in weight.... (MODX8 : 30 lbs. 7 oz. Montage8 : 63 lbs. 15 oz.) Thanks Yamaha for that advantage !!! In the musical aspect the Montage8 and the MODX8 have minimal differenced ....... both sounds excellent. The MODX can do a well done job. Thanks God for the MODX8 !!! And of course, thanks Yamaha.😀👍
they sound 100% the same - they just have slightly different velocity-curves (depends on the used keybed/keyboard) which can make huge differences even to parts and their fx in "one" performance. I got the same differences when I play the MODX8 1. with its own keys and 2. with the Alesis Q61 as Midi-Keyboard.
Late to the party, but no matter. Thanks for the video, I've been considering the MODX for a while. Listening to the audio without actually seeing what keyboard is being played, they mostly sounded identical, certainly the quality of the tone, with possibly one slightly louder than the other - which could be explained by response curve and a number of factors. If it was a little bass light, and I couldn't really detect that, then a bit of EQ would sort that out. Clearly, in terms of polyphony and facilities, the Montage wins, but sonically the difference - on my studio speakers - is negligible.
While the Montage definitely has better electronic technical specs, someone in another video pointed out that in trying to compare these side by side, the offset velocity needs to be increased on the MODX or it sounds too thin. You have to either raise it up or hit the keys harder (bad on your fingers) on the MODX to get closer to the same full sound of the Montage. Just increasing the volume output of the MODX isn't enough. I found myself wary of opinions/reviews of anything that include the phrase, "for the price." Do you want a superior sound, or a superior sound for the price? For gigs with a band nobody is going to notice any difference in the sound of these two keyboards. For recording or just personal enjoyment of music, you might find you wish you'd shelled out more money for the best sound. I'm not rich, but if I'm going to buy anything, I found it's better to avoid the "budget" items.
Bardzo dobrze piszesz, też tak samo myślę, dlatego nie żałuję dołożyć więcej pieniędzy jeśli czuję i słyszę , że będę potem żałował. Cżęsto jestem za to krytykowany 😁. Pozdrawiam z Polski, a właściwie aktualnie z Niemiec 😉 👋
Montage sounds fuller. Maybe can hear the difference only side by side comparison or cd recordings. It’s like comparing a 1080p to a 4K. Side by side you would want the 4K but when you take a 1080p home you’re more than satisfied.
Sir Taki fuller or warmer doesn’t mean the same thing as volume. Louder isn’t a quality. Better components results in better quality. I owned a motif xf8 and a moxf6 they are similar but there is a difference.
H88sixty One louder is a quality. The human ear is set up in such a way that if you play the same two sounds back to back and turn one of them up a dB the slightly louder one will always be perceived to sound better. It's why you have to be very careful when making back to back audio comparisons.
Look they both have the same engine!! How ever the after touch could play a role with the sound you could barely hear a difference but there kind of is but same engine if you know what I mean...
I've an mox8 and it has a horrible interface. If you want to get stuff out of it you need menu-diving and no guarantee if it will work. So im totaly not convinced if an modx-8 or montage would be a good replacement. The keybed of my mox8 doesn't feel solid after some years of use. Beside that...that superknob would maybe drive me a bit crazy.
Volume on the Montage sounds like it's louder, obviously. Also if you don't have the super knob in the same position for each, the patches will sound different. Try again and make the volumes equal. Also the touch curve should be set to match on both boards. It looks and sounds like the Montage is set to a lighter touch than the MODX requiring less force to achieve the same dynamics.
Yeah, I just made a comment similar here. It seems that there might not be some equality in this comparison. It definitely seems like the Montage is louder. I wonder if that has to do with the balanced outputs vs the the non-balanced ones on the MODX
That's probably because the sound is actually "thinner" than the Montage. At least that's what heapens with MOTIF vs MOX. The sounds engine are the same but alive they react differently.
volume and treble is lower on the modx, both sound identical in person. just the montage has extra for the studio. better keys and 16 trk into daw vs modx 10. both are amazing and game changers.
Montage 8 is the clear winner by a mile. The sound differences are even more acute when listening thru studio monitors. Although the sound libraries and AWM2 and FM-X engines are identical for each model, they are processed thru completely different audio interfaces. The MODX is limited to 44.1khz sampling. The Montage can process those same samples up to 96khz. Additionally, the Montage also has 16 stereo channel outputs compared to just 5 stereo for the MODX. There are major qualitative differences in their internal architecture as well, specifically the MODX uses a diminished tone generator resulting in the instrument voicings not sounding as full and robust. The final deal breaker for me is the MODX 8 key bed. It's Yamaha's entry level GHS - graded hammer standard. It's their cheapest key bed and becomes loose and noisy after a short time. Don't take my word for it, just research the Yamaha musician forums and follow the threads for Yamaha key beds. The GHS has a notorious reputation for poor quality. I had an MX88 with GHS action and sold it after just 6 mos. for the same reason. The Montage 8 employs Balanced Hammer action keys which is modeled after the CFX - their best acoustic grand. Overall, it's built like a tank using metal housing and will stand the test of time. The MODX is mostly plastic and won't hold up to the rigors of daily use, especially if you're a road warrior. Save your money and buy a Montage if you can. I did. The sound and build quality are infinitely superior in every way.
I have owned a MODX8 for 2.5 years. I use it in a production studio. The keybed is noisy. The sample rste is lower(44khz as opposed to 192khz on the montage). If you are a traveling pianist the MODX8 might be fine but in a production studio, I think the montage is better. Just about needs.
@@memphissmith8936How much is the keybad of modx8 getting noisy? Do I need to replace it? Is it hard to play because it's loose? I know gh3 keys are better than ghs, but is there a big difference in durability? I'm planning to use it for more than 10 years
Definitely worth considering the MODX but just went to Guitar Center to compare the MODX 8 and the MONTAGE 8. The difference between the keybeds is significant. The Montage keys are silky smooth and have a nicely balanced feel. Very high quality feel. The MODX keys were noticeably inferior. The internal processing is of course scaled back in the MODX but the difference in sound to most will be minor I’m sure. Great to have choices. Price difference demands some sacrifices of course.
When I demod the MODX8, it wasn't the quality of the keys that turned me off right away. Pianos are the main instrument for me, and I found that pianos were unplayable on the MODX8. I found the global velocity and adjusted it, which made the mid to lower keys reasonably playable, but then the higher keys were way to hot and no matter how softly I played them, they were hitting too hard. After checking into it later and re-watching this video, I realized that the GHS keybed triggers velocities differently less and less as you go down the keybed from highest to lowest notes. I'm not sure if it does that in sections or more gradually, but it definitely is not great for pianos. Not if you are trying to play pieces or songs that require medium to high velocities in the mid to lower ranges. For instance, you can't play most of Journey's piano based songs on the MODX8 using defaults without cranking the global velocity curve, but that causes the higher notes to trigger velocities too high. Or the other option would be to do some major reprogramming of pianos in each Performance... When I first saw this video, I thought that he had the volumes set lower on the MODX8 &/or that he was playing it lighter on the MODX8 than he was on the Montage 8. But looking at it now, after having played the MODX8 and having bought the Montage 8, I now see that he is playing them the same on both, and the MODX8 just doesn't trigger the velocities properly and evenly across the keybed. You can tell they are the same volume when he compares hitting the higher notes on both, whereby they are very close to the same volume and velocity, but then as he goes down they keybed it becomes less loud and a lower velocity on the mid to lower notes.
They should sound almost exactly the same. MODX FM-X has half polyphony of Montage, much lighter weight, plastic bodyshell vs metal, no aftertouch, fewer connectors, external power supply, fewer physical controls, fewer USB audio channels, cheaper keybeds (although the GHS has always felt really good even compared to GH, BH, and NW-GH in my opinion). I think they are a great bargain, and if I didn’t already have a Montage 8 it would be a tough choice, especially if I was opting for the 61 key model. That being said, yes the Montage is worth the extra money.
I have the Montage8, my own opinion is: You get what you pay for! Earlier when I played the Motif XS8 and Yamaha released the MoxF8 people where saying, hey why dont you buy that one instead......??? Because of alot of reasons, exatly the way you put in in your comment! Plastic feel. really bad weighted keys, very few sounds to chose from etc etc...... but if you dont have enough Money I Think the MODX could be a good start! As you say ,the Montage 8 is defenitely worth the extra money! IMOO :-)
I have a Montage 8 as well. As a studio keyboard, the Montage is probably worth the extra money. But as a stage gigging keyboard that has to be moved around, I'd definitely choose the MODX. It's much lighter and more portable, and the minor compromises aren't important for a live performance. In fact, that's why I still have a MOXF 8 and use that live instead of trying to move the Montage.
geoffk777 I hear ya. Mine is upstairs so I definitely am never in the mood to consider moving it around. I have a Moog Subsequent 37 and downstairs a CP4 Stage both of which are much easier to move around.
If you think about it The Montage 8 it’s easier to clean, Repaint and (etc). But a Yamaha MODX ain’t I played with one dude and his MODX was all scratched up and stuff. It’s cleaner better looking...
Well, you can always buy a bag to move the MODX in, and it won't get scratched up. But the Montage is such a beast to move that you'll need a huge flightcase and it will need a van to transport. And while the Montage seems well-made, I wouldn't throw it around. The bottom is fragile looking particleboard, and the system flexes if it's lifted unevenly.
I just ordered the modx, you know they are about to release a new model next month called the "MODX AN" or something like that, i used the opportunity to buy the MODX at a low price, theres no aftertouch but it is still great for the opportunity, i really couldnt afford it at full price
Guys, the montage is just a tiny bit louder (muzykuikropkacom has not set the gains identical) maybe 1/2db louder, they are both identical sounding otherwise, everyone saying the montage sounds better, they are exactly both the same engines and same D/A convertors etc afaik, he's just set the gain slightly louder by a db or so during the recording, believe it or not even if you use different cables it can have a slight effect also, using EXACT same cables, same gain on whatever mixer he's putting it through etc can make a small difference. It's just the signal chain.
I did volume riding from mixer while listening this, I get an impression that Montage sounds a bit more dynamic. But I think It should, considering the price difference.
For the average ear they sound the same but the MODX is like a Honda DX vs a Honda SE. they look the same but a huge different. The price gap is all about the worthiness. For gigs and on the go, hands down, go for the MODX. But for the studio, film score, fixed gig, or a high paying tour the Montage is a must! This is the DX11 to the DX7 for those who followed Yamaha since the ‘80s
One year after purchasing MODX7 : Modx sounds great and offers a lot of features. But the keybed is poor quality. Polyphony is much too small !!!! However it's still a very good option as second keyboard if you already have a good keyboard with lots of polyphony such as Nord Stage or Kurzweil Forte...
Hear here the most 'little different',as i am a hobbyist,i don't care that 'little 'and i would buy the modx.For only using at home tha's enough for me and i'm glad that yamaha put the modx here for people like me.
Montage is my choice. Nevertheless the comparison between the two engines is very joyful to watch in this video. Even though it shows some of these great instruments capabilities.
It sounds as if the montage is richer and louder but I can tell there's a slight difference in volume, the MODX is not as loud. If you put the MODX volume up a bit more it will sound the same as the montage. On that note, can you layer and split simultaneously on the MODX?
Even assuming the sound engines of these two are the same, they obviously sound different due to the huge gap in quality of their D/A converters, i.e. the gap between the high-quality one dedicated for 100-240V power supply and the one downgraded for 12V adapter. This has been also happening between motif XF6 and moXF6.
Si se escucha más robusto el montage, pero no hay mucha diferencia en si. Creo que el Modx es basicamente el montage sin todas las specs de workstation
@Uriel Polis Luego de otro análisis en otro video y con muy buenos auriculares, los 2 usan los mismos instrumentos, sólo que los del Montage están incorporados con mejor Frecuencia de muestreo, por eso se lo nota un tanto más robusto y acústico, y el MODX un tanto más sintético, pero ésto hilando muy fino y siendo bastante estrictos, en realidad el MODX es un excelente teclado, y ambos son unas terribles bestias, y te lo dice un Korg guy.
if you look at the monitors in the back you can se the gains on both keys.. Left is the Montage and Right is the MODX8+ ... clearly you can tell he has the volume higher on the Montage...
I really want to like the modx who wouldn’t? Cheaper and sounds nearly identical even identical in some cases. But the spongy key bed and that slight dynamic loss has me focusing on what I am not getting. I doubt it really makes a difference I guess I am magnifying the negative On the flip the size and 10lbs weight are big and can’t be ignored perfect if you have a controller or need a desk top board for your DAW
The real differences are: Montage - more slides, knobs & buttons; greater polyphony; metal casing (= a LOT heavier than MODX); higher quality keybed. MODX - half the slider and knobs (4 on MODX vs 8 on Montage), about 1/3 the various buttons; plastic casing (cheaper but lighter); good keybed, but not as pro level as Montage. As you said, not exactly worth the $2000 extra for most people, but professional touring musicians would choose the Montage over the MODX.
I bought the MODX8, because the piano type keyboard was very light, and more affordable. I have an old Yamaha P-150, which is the same as the famous Yamaha P-200 stage piano, the only difference between the two is the speaker grills are different in design, but same features and sounds the same. I love my P-150 (Same as the P-200), but I hate hauling it as it is very heavy. The only thing I do not like about the Montage is that it is very expensive and the there are not enough sliders for the 9 harmonic drawbars. So I plan on using my Roland VR-09 Combo organ for drawbars and the my new Yamaha MODX8 for digital piano and more. I was very impressed on how light weight the Yamaha MODX8 is for an 88 weighted keyboard as I am going to retire my old Yamaha P-150 (Same as the P-200) or maybe sell it.
El montage suena mejor , pero Modx gana en precio, me imagino tambien que el tipo de tecla y componentes hacen que Montage dure mas años , sobre el Modx
Lo único que los hace diferentes en sonido es el conversor análogo/digital en las salidas de audio, en montage tiene mejor calidad y modx menor calidad, nada más, los sonidos son los mismos, ambos excelentes
To begin with, it does not have the same pulsation when playing one and the other, because the MOdx 8 is GHS and the Montage is BH, one is graduated and the other balanced, which influences a lot when interpreting. They sound practically identical unlike their Converters, when you press with less pressure on the modx8 logically it sounds with less volume and presence, try to increase the volume a little when you play pianos on the modx and then lower it with the montage to compensate.
I had played both I own a Montage, and I had played the MODX you can notice the difference in quality. MODX, is very light and the Montage is the heaviest but I think that is important if you are playing on stage. It has more controls. The power cord is stronger on Montage. Basically strength is what make Montage the best option. 😊
The outputs are made different. Better output parts. Thats yamahas trick when making boards that sound similar to each other. Cheaper parts however same synthesis. They have always done the with their keyboards. Even when making the keyboard lighter, the power supply on the lighter keyboafd will more likely be a wallwart power supply rather than a three prong plug youd use with a desktop computer. The heavier keybords power supply would be built into the keyboard and woild have a three prong cord. What im saying is the montage has better outputs and cheaper parts and cheap outputs is being used on the modx
If they are EQ'ed the same, on the first 3 notes you played i can clearly notice that the montage sample is more trebled, however, it feels that they are not tuned the same, so this comparison is not realistic...+
I've had a MO6 and an MOX6, and while it's nice to have a very lightweight and great sounding keyboard, somehow I always had the feeling that the flagship (MOTIF) keyboards of my bandmates sounded better (cleaner and more defined). One thing that never liked that much is the keybed, so much different than the Tyros2 that I had back then (FSX). So now I'm debating myself between getting a MODX6 or the Montage6 for gigs (I do a lot more of gigs and little studio work). Also my MOX6 didn't stood the test of time as the plastic construction has seen some damage to it. It really served me well, way beyond pay off, and even it would still work after a complete service, I have the feeling and want to take the next step so I don't really know what should I do.
I own a MODX8 and tried both of these side by side in a shop before I bought it. Montage sounds very slightly fatter, not enough to justify the price difference on sound alone.
NOTE by NOTE, the seems sound the same. When You play a music all together, MONTAGE sounds GREAT, full of harmonics and more great range of frequency. Sometimes it seems MODX has a little lower volume but i suppose is not volume , it is POWER: Otherwise there would be NO REASON to spend 4 times more if they sound exacltly the same!!! great test as always
Great video. I would like to know if both montage and modx were recorded using the analog outs and with the same soundcard. At minute 1.30 the difference is very audible (shrill sound in the upper register on modx) - sounds like converter aliasing. Throughout the rest of the video the montage is more 3D and balanced.
From the research I've done as a soundtrack artist the Montage is a very solid set of keys. It's spared no expense. Alot depends on how you record though to compose. If the Keys is used via MIDI(usb) and you use a DAW and virtual instruments etc then either of these two keys are fine. If you are using the built in patches and software then it depends on your ability to learn,manipulate and understand how the functions work. I've read and heard that the MODX is very good for its price. It's build quality is cheaper but it's packed with similar features and designs. Factor in price and the MODX is very attractive.
The average drunk wont be able to tell the difference at the gig but, playability is what matters to players and the flimsy feeling plastic on the MODX vs the superior keybed and chassis on the Montage is apparent. Nobody ever does a video on that.
On the other hand you can attach 4 pedals to the modx, you can assign aftertouch to one of them... Could not find it yet in the available manual but i am confident it should be possible.
Even though it's pricerange, it's 2018. No aftertouch on a workstation is really, really weird. Sure, you can solve it by (expression, not sustain) pedals if it contains a port for it, but you have to use your feet, and you do not have the freedom to single out notes, because pedals works on ALL input, not individual input. How you turn it, a pedal is not close enough to real aftertouch...
Not sure how critically this was level matched, but based on this video it sounds like the Montage has more weight and body which is especially evident in the lower register. Both sound great though and would be hard to tell the difference if this comparison werent so methodical. Again, it does sound like there could be a volume mismatch and it's not obvious to me if that is the cause of what I'm hearing.
They sound as similar as you'd expect. Any minor differences are probably due to levels or Superknob position. In short, except for price and weight, they are totally identical. It's like the Motif XF and MOXF only even more so.
Montage sounds like the sound is breathing a little better. Can't explain it too well, but for the price the MODX is great. Ordinary people won't notice a difference.
@@holygeneration7 great because I’m in that situation to choose between the montage and MODX. Guess I know which one now. Hows thé keybed on the montage ? Is it heavier than on the MODX?
@@holygeneration7 Interesting I have used my MODX6 for roughly for 3 years and I play almost every single day for hours on end, and my keybed has held up fine. I use the keyboard for recording during the week and I play with several bands on the weekends. My keyboard has held up great on all fronts.
@@holygeneration7 The MODX isn't cheap. At well over $1,000 that's not cheap. The MODX does the same exact thing as the Montage just in a less expensive package. I have played the Montage and I still prefer the MODX.
Both great but the montage sounds better even through my note 8 mono speaker. Both very nice, but montage is better. Maybe just a more open output converters, but the fact remains its better
Montage has far more production quality and features both mechanical and electronical way. Soundwise, there is a little bit difference. Price difference does not lay under sound, but other aspects...
I can match these sounds or better on my iPad. It’s hard to justify the price tag on these keyboards these days. Not to mention there are controllers with a nicer key bed.
The difference in sound (if any at all) is not that relevant, I think. But the feel of the keys is. Has anyone played the 88 key version of MODX yet? How does it feel?
Good, if you like a fairly light action. It's not as nice as the Montage or their expensive stage pianos, but its still very playable imo. I bought one though so there you go!
MODX is exactly the same as the Montage sound wise and screen wise the only thing is less specs, uglier, plastic body, lighter, keys feel good but no after touch, keys feel like shit compared to the Montage that’s all and also no after touch which ain’t a big deal but the keys suck...trash. Good board overall. It should have came out earlier so that case I didn’t need to waste 5200.00$ on a Montage 8 here in Canada
@@LighthalzenSSlas salidas de audio son mas potentes en montage, ahi esta la diferencia, si que es verdad salvo el piano no hay tanta diferencia, de placebo nada
I don’t care what anyone says the montage is far superior. I bought a modx8 and I regret it. Lucky I only bought it a couple of days ago I am taking it back. I can’t live with myself knowing I settled for less. This might not make any sense to some ppl but in my mind if you’re prepared to spend 2500 on a keyboard why not spend 5000? Yes it’s double the price but spending 2500 means you’re as serious about the instrument as spending 5000. It’s not like it’s a 250 keyboard
ok idk how they are doing it but it sound like maybe the stereo image is better it sounds more full....you can here on the highest of highs and lowest of lows where it strains ....now unless these aren't gain matched cause if the montage is slightly louder due to position or volume knob then maybe that's why it sounds that way? but i don't think its that much of a different to want to buy the montage over the modx-8 unless someone is buying it for features which i think the montage has more nice video either way i enjoyed it all ...it makes me feel how i felt when the mode-8 was against the mx88....it was a such a big difference and i feel the same here lol the montage range is better idk what they did to it but still not worth the money because without a side by side off the bat you wouldn't know the difference
2 things I just learned:
1) these 2 keyboards share the same sounds.
2) this guy has a lot of money
Lol
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Yup... Just see theb system behind him😁😁😁
2) change has to had
Esatto
Montage 192 KHZ audio
MODX 48 KHZ audio
no point comparing sounds as they have the same sound engines, the key to comparison is the workflow, live performance features and programmability
Totally agree mate. Moving the Mod & PB wheels up isn't ideal but saves space. Less sliders and access to features quickly can be immense for some of us.
The Montage is superior ... you can hear it through these videos, even. Just listen to the piano samples.
@@ejfan42388 Montage's converters obviusly sound better, but for weight and price there's no game, MODX wins!
You really need to balance the volumes as louder will sound better to most people . Cheers
@@ejfan42388 I just listened. No difference.
He never leaves this space. He’s blocked in by all his gear...
I can buy the Montage8 without a problem but I finally bought the MODX8.
I'm very happy with my MODX8..... I can carry it very easy everywhere without help with one hand and with the other hand i can open the door of my car to transport it.
It's very light in weight....
(MODX8 : 30 lbs. 7 oz.
Montage8 : 63 lbs. 15 oz.)
Thanks Yamaha for that advantage !!!
In the musical aspect the Montage8 and the MODX8 have minimal differenced ....... both sounds excellent.
The MODX can do a well done job.
Thanks God for the MODX8 !!!
And of course, thanks Yamaha.😀👍
بالنسبة لي انا سالت عن montage 8 ولكن لا يوجد هذا المنتج في جميع افرع الشركة عالميً. فطلبت ال modx8+ والحمد لله
they sound 100% the same - they just have slightly different velocity-curves (depends on the used keybed/keyboard) which can make huge differences even to parts and their fx in "one" performance. I got the same differences when I play the MODX8 1. with its own keys and 2. with the Alesis Q61 as Midi-Keyboard.
The Montage seems to have fuller bass (maybe different D/A converters?), but the sound engines are identical.
Late to the party, but no matter. Thanks for the video, I've been considering the MODX for a while. Listening to the audio without actually seeing what keyboard is being played, they mostly sounded identical, certainly the quality of the tone, with possibly one slightly louder than the other - which could be explained by response curve and a number of factors. If it was a little bass light, and I couldn't really detect that, then a bit of EQ would sort that out. Clearly, in terms of polyphony and facilities, the Montage wins, but sonically the difference - on my studio speakers - is negligible.
Like father - Montage, like son - MODX
....... two amazing synthesizers
Dad vs Son.
Albert Peka lol PRETTY MUCH!
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Uncle:Roland Fantom
Cousin=Yamaha MX
Grandfather= DX7
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Love my Montage!!!
While the Montage definitely has better electronic technical specs, someone in another video pointed out that in trying to compare these side by side, the offset velocity needs to be increased on the MODX or it sounds too thin. You have to either raise it up or hit the keys harder (bad on your fingers) on the MODX to get closer to the same full sound of the Montage. Just increasing the volume output of the MODX isn't enough.
I found myself wary of opinions/reviews of anything that include the phrase, "for the price." Do you want a superior sound, or a superior sound for the price? For gigs with a band nobody is going to notice any difference in the sound of these two keyboards. For recording or just personal enjoyment of music, you might find you wish you'd shelled out more money for the best sound. I'm not rich, but if I'm going to buy anything, I found it's better to avoid the "budget" items.
Bardzo dobrze piszesz, też tak samo myślę, dlatego nie żałuję dołożyć więcej pieniędzy jeśli czuję i słyszę , że będę potem żałował. Cżęsto jestem za to krytykowany 😁. Pozdrawiam z Polski, a właściwie aktualnie z Niemiec 😉 👋
Montage sounds fuller. Maybe can hear the difference only side by side comparison or cd recordings. It’s like comparing a 1080p to a 4K. Side by side you would want the 4K but when you take a 1080p home you’re more than satisfied.
Montage is a bit louder, thats enough to make it sound better, fuller, which it isn't
Sir Taki fuller or warmer doesn’t mean the same thing as volume. Louder isn’t a quality. Better components results in better quality. I owned a motif xf8 and a moxf6 they are similar but there is a difference.
H88sixty One louder is a quality. The human ear is set up in such a way that if you play the same two sounds back to back and turn one of them up a dB the slightly louder one will always be perceived to sound better. It's why you have to be very careful when making back to back audio comparisons.
Look they both have the same engine!! How ever the after touch could play a role with the sound you could barely hear a difference but there kind of is but same engine if you know what I mean...
That's a great comparision
I've an mox8 and it has a horrible interface. If you want to get stuff out of it you need menu-diving and no guarantee if it will work. So im totaly not convinced if an modx-8 or montage would be a good replacement. The keybed of my mox8 doesn't feel solid after some years of use.
Beside that...that superknob would maybe drive me a bit crazy.
I want the MODX8!!! I’m in love 😍😍😍😍
Volume on the Montage sounds like it's louder, obviously. Also if you don't have the super knob in the same position for each, the patches will sound different. Try again and make the volumes equal. Also the touch curve should be set to match on both boards. It looks and sounds like the Montage is set to a lighter touch than the MODX requiring less force to achieve the same dynamics.
Have you made a sound wave analysis? I will do one but for now by ear it seems very very close.
Yeah, I just made a comment similar here. It seems that there might not be some equality in this comparison. It definitely seems like the Montage is louder. I wonder if that has to do with the balanced outputs vs the the non-balanced ones on the MODX
RodneyLee now with fresh ears after a good night’s sleep, i agree with you.
That's probably because the sound is actually "thinner" than the Montage. At least that's what heapens with MOTIF vs MOX. The sounds engine are the same but alive they react differently.
I have a MOXF6 and it spouse to have the same sound quality as the MOTIF, but it doesn't have.
Playing a classic Roland piano demo theme on a Yamaha. Well done.
volume and treble is lower on the modx, both sound identical in person. just the montage has extra for the studio. better keys and 16 trk into daw vs modx 10. both are amazing and game changers.
yes. you can see in the back monitors. the gain is higher on the montage
Montage 8 is the clear winner by a mile. The sound differences are even more acute when listening thru studio monitors. Although the sound libraries and AWM2 and FM-X engines are identical for each model, they are processed thru completely different audio interfaces. The MODX is limited to 44.1khz sampling. The Montage can process those same samples up to 96khz. Additionally, the Montage also has 16 stereo channel outputs compared to just 5 stereo for the MODX. There are major qualitative differences in their internal architecture as well, specifically the MODX uses a diminished tone generator resulting in the instrument voicings not sounding as full and robust. The final deal breaker for me is the MODX 8 key bed. It's Yamaha's entry level GHS - graded hammer standard. It's their cheapest key bed and becomes loose and noisy after a short time. Don't take my word for it, just research the Yamaha musician forums and follow the threads for Yamaha key beds. The GHS has a notorious reputation for poor quality. I had an MX88 with GHS action and sold it after just 6 mos. for the same reason. The Montage 8 employs Balanced Hammer action keys which is modeled after the CFX - their best acoustic grand. Overall, it's built like a tank using metal housing and will stand the test of time. The MODX is mostly plastic and won't hold up to the rigors of daily use, especially if you're a road warrior. Save your money and buy a Montage if you can. I did. The sound and build quality are infinitely superior in every way.
You wrote all of that and left out the most IMPORTANT PART!!! It’s a 2000 dollar difference so every thing you said makes no sense. Just saying
I have owned a MODX8 for 2.5 years. I use it in a production studio. The keybed is noisy. The sample rste is lower(44khz as opposed to 192khz on the montage). If you are a traveling pianist the MODX8 might be fine but in a production studio, I think the montage is better. Just about needs.
@@memphissmith8936How much is the keybad of modx8 getting noisy? Do I need to replace it? Is it hard to play because it's loose? I know gh3 keys are better than ghs, but is there a big difference in durability? I'm planning to use it for more than 10 years
Definitely worth considering the MODX but just went to Guitar Center to compare the MODX 8 and the MONTAGE 8. The difference between the keybeds is significant. The Montage keys are silky smooth and have a nicely balanced feel. Very high quality feel. The MODX keys were noticeably inferior. The internal processing is of course scaled back in the MODX but the difference in sound to most will be minor I’m sure. Great to have choices. Price difference demands some sacrifices of course.
MODX7 + MPK 88 = AWESOME KEYBED AND A WHOLE LOT LESS MONEY!!!
When I demod the MODX8, it wasn't the quality of the keys that turned me off right away. Pianos are the main instrument for me, and I found that pianos were unplayable on the MODX8. I found the global velocity and adjusted it, which made the mid to lower keys reasonably playable, but then the higher keys were way to hot and no matter how softly I played them, they were hitting too hard. After checking into it later and re-watching this video, I realized that the GHS keybed triggers velocities differently less and less as you go down the keybed from highest to lowest notes. I'm not sure if it does that in sections or more gradually, but it definitely is not great for pianos. Not if you are trying to play pieces or songs that require medium to high velocities in the mid to lower ranges. For instance, you can't play most of Journey's piano based songs on the MODX8 using defaults without cranking the global velocity curve, but that causes the higher notes to trigger velocities too high. Or the other option would be to do some major reprogramming of pianos in each Performance...
When I first saw this video, I thought that he had the volumes set lower on the MODX8 &/or that he was playing it lighter on the MODX8 than he was on the Montage 8. But looking at it now, after having played the MODX8 and having bought the Montage 8, I now see that he is playing them the same on both, and the MODX8 just doesn't trigger the velocities properly and evenly across the keybed. You can tell they are the same volume when he compares hitting the higher notes on both, whereby they are very close to the same volume and velocity, but then as he goes down they keybed it becomes less loud and a lower velocity on the mid to lower notes.
They should sound almost exactly the same. MODX FM-X has half polyphony of Montage, much lighter weight, plastic bodyshell vs metal, no aftertouch, fewer connectors, external power supply, fewer physical controls, fewer USB audio channels, cheaper keybeds (although the GHS has always felt really good even compared to GH, BH, and NW-GH in my opinion). I think they are a great bargain, and if I didn’t already have a Montage 8 it would be a tough choice, especially if I was opting for the 61 key model. That being said, yes the Montage is worth the extra money.
I have the Montage8, my own opinion is: You get what you pay for! Earlier when I played the Motif XS8 and Yamaha released the MoxF8 people where saying, hey why dont you buy that one instead......??? Because of alot of reasons, exatly the way you put in in your comment! Plastic feel. really bad weighted keys, very few sounds to chose from etc etc...... but if you dont have enough Money I Think the MODX could be a good start! As you say ,the Montage 8 is defenitely worth the extra money! IMOO :-)
I have a Montage 8 as well. As a studio keyboard, the Montage is probably worth the extra money. But as a stage gigging keyboard that has to be moved around, I'd definitely choose the MODX. It's much lighter and more portable, and the minor compromises aren't important for a live performance. In fact, that's why I still have a MOXF 8 and use that live instead of trying to move the Montage.
geoffk777 I hear ya. Mine is upstairs so I definitely am never in the mood to consider moving it around. I have a Moog Subsequent 37 and downstairs a CP4 Stage both of which are much easier to move around.
If you think about it The Montage 8 it’s easier to clean, Repaint and (etc). But a Yamaha MODX ain’t I played with one dude and his MODX was all scratched up and stuff. It’s cleaner better looking...
Well, you can always buy a bag to move the MODX in, and it won't get scratched up. But the Montage is such a beast to move that you'll need a huge flightcase and it will need a van to transport. And while the Montage seems well-made, I wouldn't throw it around. The bottom is fragile looking particleboard, and the system flexes if it's lifted unevenly.
I just ordered the modx, you know they are about to release a new model next month called the "MODX AN" or something like that, i used the opportunity to buy the MODX at a low price, theres no aftertouch but it is still great for the opportunity, i really couldnt afford it at full price
Guys, the montage is just a tiny bit louder (muzykuikropkacom has not set the gains identical) maybe 1/2db louder, they are both identical sounding otherwise, everyone saying the montage sounds better, they are exactly both the same engines and same D/A convertors etc afaik, he's just set the gain slightly louder by a db or so during the recording, believe it or not even if you use different cables it can have a slight effect also, using EXACT same cables, same gain on whatever mixer he's putting it through etc can make a small difference. It's just the signal chain.
Gavin McCloy I think people hear with their eyes sometimes.
I did volume riding from mixer while listening this, I get an impression that Montage sounds a bit more dynamic. But I think It should, considering the price difference.
@@jptaylor ikr
For the average ear they sound the same but the MODX is like a Honda DX vs a Honda SE. they look the same but a huge different. The price gap is all about the worthiness.
For gigs and on the go, hands down, go for the MODX. But for the studio, film score, fixed gig, or a high paying tour the Montage is a must!
This is the DX11 to the DX7 for those who followed Yamaha since the ‘80s
Or maybe Honda and Acura.
Agree mate.
I can't hear any sound difference, but the dynamics on the montage feel a little heavier... Am I right ?
agreed
@@joshuadias6405 Disagree look at the monitor and see gain level of both instruments....that why is sounds heavier...
They do sound slightly different. The monatage is brighter and fuller
I agree with you!
One year after purchasing MODX7 :
Modx sounds great and offers a lot of features. But the keybed is poor quality. Polyphony is much too small !!!!
However it's still a very good option as second keyboard if you already have a good keyboard with lots of polyphony such as Nord Stage or Kurzweil Forte...
Hear here the most 'little different',as i am a hobbyist,i don't care that 'little 'and i would buy the modx.For only using at home tha's enough for me and i'm glad that yamaha put the modx here for people like me.
Parece que pegaram o Montage tiraram funçoes e fizeram o MODX. Igual ocorreu com o Motif ES e o MO6
Montage is my choice.
Nevertheless the comparison between the two engines is very joyful to watch in this video.
Even though it shows some of these great instruments capabilities.
It sounds as if the montage is richer and louder but I can tell there's a slight difference in volume, the MODX is not as loud. If you put the MODX volume up a bit more it will sound the same as the montage. On that note, can you layer and split simultaneously on the MODX?
Even assuming the sound engines of these two are the same, they obviously sound different due to the huge gap in quality of their D/A converters, i.e. the gap between the high-quality one dedicated for 100-240V power supply and the one downgraded for 12V adapter. This has been also happening between motif XF6 and moXF6.
Casi no se percibe mucha diferencia. Sin embargo, no se si sea psicológico, escucho ligeramente más robusto el Montage.
Si se escucha más robusto el montage, pero no hay mucha diferencia en si. Creo que el Modx es basicamente el montage sin todas las specs de workstation
Percibo lo mismo. Ayudara una ecualizacion distinta para lograr lo mismo en ModX?
I paid $1000 for a modx 6 still in really good condition. So for me the deal was even more absurdly good
Pensé lo mismo, podría tener mejor salida de amplitud pero tal vez simplemente tenía puesto el volumen más alto.
@Uriel Polis Luego de otro análisis en otro video y con muy buenos auriculares, los 2 usan los mismos instrumentos, sólo que los del Montage están incorporados con mejor Frecuencia de muestreo, por eso se lo nota un tanto más robusto y acústico, y el MODX un tanto más sintético, pero ésto hilando muy fino y siendo bastante estrictos, en realidad el MODX es un excelente teclado, y ambos son unas terribles bestias, y te lo dice un Korg guy.
if you look at the monitors in the back you can se the gains on both keys.. Left is the Montage and Right is the MODX8+ ... clearly you can tell he has the volume higher on the Montage...
The montage sounds great. Thanks for the comparison. If u have not much money consider the modx
Finnally isso buy my modx8 i'm so happy. Is my first keyboard whith "piano" keybed
I really want to like the modx who wouldn’t? Cheaper and sounds nearly identical even identical in some cases. But the spongy key bed and that slight dynamic loss has me focusing on what I am not getting. I doubt it really makes a difference I guess I am magnifying the negative
On the flip the size and 10lbs weight are big and can’t be ignored perfect if you have a controller or need a desk top board for your DAW
Was set on picking up a MODX till i listened to this with good headphones.
Montage has a general edge...but not 2000 dollars worth........
The real differences are:
Montage - more slides, knobs & buttons; greater polyphony; metal casing (= a LOT heavier than MODX); higher quality keybed.
MODX - half the slider and knobs (4 on MODX vs 8 on Montage), about 1/3 the various buttons; plastic casing (cheaper but lighter); good keybed, but not as pro level as Montage.
As you said, not exactly worth the $2000 extra for most people, but professional touring musicians would choose the Montage over the MODX.
Incredible chops, l was paying
more attention to his playing than the keyboard comparison. One does sound a bit brighter than the other.
I bought the MODX8, because the piano type keyboard was very light, and more affordable. I have an old Yamaha P-150, which is the same as the famous Yamaha P-200 stage piano, the only difference between the two is the speaker grills are different in design, but same features and sounds the same. I love my P-150 (Same as the P-200), but I hate hauling it as it is very heavy. The only thing I do not like about the Montage is that it is very expensive and the there are not enough sliders for the 9 harmonic drawbars. So I plan on using my Roland VR-09 Combo organ for drawbars and the my new Yamaha MODX8 for digital piano and more. I was very impressed on how light weight the Yamaha MODX8 is for an 88 weighted keyboard as I am going to retire my old Yamaha P-150 (Same as the P-200) or maybe sell it.
El montage suena mejor , pero Modx gana en precio, me imagino tambien que el tipo de tecla y componentes hacen que Montage dure mas años , sobre el Modx
Montage has more power, fuller, but 2 boards are amazing.
Lo único que los hace diferentes en sonido es el conversor análogo/digital en las salidas de audio, en montage tiene mejor calidad y modx menor calidad, nada más, los sonidos son los mismos, ambos excelentes
To begin with, it does not have the same pulsation when playing one and the other, because the MOdx 8 is GHS and the Montage is BH, one is graduated and the other balanced, which influences a lot when interpreting. They sound practically identical unlike their Converters, when you press with less pressure on the modx8 logically it sounds with less volume and presence, try to increase the volume a little when you play pianos on the modx and then lower it with the montage to compensate.
No tattoos? I'm impressed.
Me Too. I have scars for tattoos!!! I may have to finally Pass my.Motif 6 on and grab the MODX as long as its multitimbral and multiple out built in.
@Scars Stiches ????
Normality:))
I had played both I own a Montage, and I had played the MODX you can notice the difference in quality. MODX, is very light and the Montage is the heaviest but I think that is important if you are playing on stage. It has more controls. The power cord is stronger on Montage. Basically strength is what make Montage the best option. 😊
The outputs are made different. Better output parts. Thats yamahas trick when making boards that sound similar to each other. Cheaper parts however same synthesis. They have always done the with their keyboards. Even when making the keyboard lighter, the power supply on the lighter keyboafd will more likely be a wallwart power supply rather than a three prong plug youd use with a desktop computer. The heavier keybords power supply would be built into the keyboard and woild have a three prong cord. What im saying is the montage has better outputs and cheaper parts and cheap outputs is being used on the modx
If they are EQ'ed the same, on the first 3 notes you played i can clearly notice that the montage sample is more trebled, however, it feels that they are not tuned the same, so this comparison is not realistic...+
No hay comparación, simplemente la calidad de materiales, la calidad de ensamble y por sobretodo y más importante "la polifonía"
La polifonía es menos solo para el motor del DX dentro del MODX que en este caso tiene 64
I've had a MO6 and an MOX6, and while it's nice to have a very lightweight and great sounding keyboard, somehow I always had the feeling that the flagship (MOTIF) keyboards of my bandmates sounded better (cleaner and more defined). One thing that never liked that much is the keybed, so much different than the Tyros2 that I had back then (FSX). So now I'm debating myself between getting a MODX6 or the Montage6 for gigs (I do a lot more of gigs and little studio work). Also my MOX6 didn't stood the test of time as the plastic construction has seen some damage to it. It really served me well, way beyond pay off, and even it would still work after a complete service, I have the feeling and want to take the next step so I don't really know what should I do.
I own a MODX8 and tried both of these side by side in a shop before I bought it. Montage sounds very slightly fatter, not enough to justify the price difference on sound alone.
What are their prices? just for comparison..
NOTE by NOTE, the seems sound the same. When You play a music all together, MONTAGE sounds GREAT, full of harmonics and more great range of frequency. Sometimes it seems MODX has a little lower volume but i suppose is not volume , it is POWER:
Otherwise there would be NO REASON to spend 4 times more if they sound exacltly the same!!! great test as always
Great video. I would like to know if both montage and modx were recorded using the analog outs and with the same soundcard. At minute 1.30 the difference is very audible (shrill sound in the upper register on modx) - sounds like converter aliasing. Throughout the rest of the video the montage is more 3D and balanced.
MONTAGE has a bit more weight to the tone,more oomph,great job have done Yamaha on the MODX.
From the research I've done as a soundtrack artist the Montage is a very solid set of keys. It's spared no expense. Alot depends on how you record though to compose. If the Keys is used via MIDI(usb) and you use a DAW and virtual instruments etc then either of these two keys are fine. If you are using the built in patches and software then it depends on your ability to learn,manipulate and understand how the functions work. I've read and heard that the MODX is very good for its price. It's build quality is cheaper but it's packed with similar features and designs. Factor in price and the MODX is very attractive.
Which one do you prefer? Is the Montage better than the Kronos?
Y’all... it’s the same software. The only differences between the two are physical build differences. Otherwise they’re the same.
Not even close they’re far different in many ways
compliment for the video, The sound between MOX and MOTIF XS was not equal also if much similar , here it seems equal.
The average drunk wont be able to tell the difference at the gig but, playability is what matters to players and the flimsy feeling plastic on the MODX vs the superior keybed and chassis on the Montage is apparent. Nobody ever does a video on that.
i love the yamaha because of its crispy sound... now they made it more softer ang smoother which in my feelings is a downside.
Great same sound engine but no arpeg or sequencer. you have to ask yourself it is worth the extra 2K , i think so.
Now I understood why I didn’t get montage. I’ll get MODX6
You bet ;-) much cheaper and really complet...
Me too, always wanted one but couldn't justify the price. The MODX is the sweet spot. Also, you can import the old DX7 library into it!
But .. no aftertouch on the modx. Which is weird I guess.
On the other hand you can attach 4 pedals to the modx, you can assign aftertouch to one of them... Could not find it yet in the available manual but i am confident it should be possible.
Even though it's pricerange, it's 2018. No aftertouch on a workstation is really, really weird. Sure, you can solve it by (expression, not sustain) pedals if it contains a port for it, but you have to use your feet, and you do not have the freedom to single out notes, because pedals works on ALL input, not individual input. How you turn it, a pedal is not close enough to real aftertouch...
The montage in this particular video has a bigger dynamic range and sounds bigger.
I don't hear a difference at all in them.
@@BluesCat1980 Fair enough😁
There is definitely clarity and dynamic differences
Not sure how critically this was level matched, but based on this video it sounds like the Montage has more weight and body which is especially evident in the lower register. Both sound great though and would be hard to tell the difference if this comparison werent so methodical. Again, it does sound like there could be a volume mismatch and it's not obvious to me if that is the cause of what I'm hearing.
They sound as similar as you'd expect. Any minor differences are probably due to levels or Superknob position. In short, except for price and weight, they are totally identical. It's like the Motif XF and MOXF only even more so.
Montage sounds like the sound is breathing a little better. Can't explain it too well, but for the price the MODX is great. Ordinary people won't notice a difference.
Wow!!! My mind is made up already on this gear......for the price and quality therein, I dont think I would ever go for a montage!!! My opinion
@@holygeneration7 did you get the montage?
@@holygeneration7 great because I’m in that situation to choose between the montage and MODX. Guess I know which one now. Hows thé keybed on the montage ? Is it heavier than on the MODX?
@@holygeneration7 thank you mate will get the montage unfortunately I can’t even try them now due to lockdown in the UK
@@holygeneration7 Interesting I have used my MODX6 for roughly for 3 years and I play almost every single day for hours on end, and my keybed has held up fine. I use the keyboard for recording during the week and I play with several bands on the weekends. My keyboard has held up great on all fronts.
@@holygeneration7 The MODX isn't cheap. At well over $1,000 that's not cheap. The MODX does the same exact thing as the Montage just in a less expensive package. I have played the Montage and I still prefer the MODX.
dope setup!
Both great but the montage sounds better even through my note 8 mono speaker. Both very nice, but montage is better. Maybe just a more open output converters, but the fact remains its better
The polyphony is what matters. Montage is 128 while MODX 64 voice Polyphony
128 AWM & 64 FM-X
MODX has 128 polyphony on the AWM2 side, and 64 on the DX side.
This was so helpful!!
Aftertouch and up to 24 bit 192khz vs 24 bit 44.1khz max and no aftertouch
Please play aftertouch and high sample rate patches
Montage has far more production quality and features both mechanical and electronical way. Soundwise, there is a little bit difference. Price difference does not lay under sound, but other aspects...
sounds equal. Montage have more volume then modx. It's all.
That’s very close !!! The Mod has a little lest Depth in terms of effects engines,
And velocity
I can match these sounds or better on my iPad. It’s hard to justify the price tag on these keyboards these days. Not to mention there are controllers with a nicer key bed.
Montage sounds much better, or Yamaha is making
early Christmas gifts.
Montage👍👍👍👍
Yamaha Montage has a louder dynamics than the Yamaha Modx
modx is dope ...
You give more touch to the Montage and less to the modx🙂🏃🏻
The difference in sound (if any at all) is not that relevant, I think. But the feel of the keys is. Has anyone played the 88 key version of MODX yet? How does it feel?
Good, if you like a fairly light action. It's not as nice as the Montage or their expensive stage pianos, but its still very playable imo. I bought one though so there you go!
I like the feel of the MODX8, and very light weight compared to the Montage.
MODX is exactly the same as the Montage sound wise and screen wise the only thing is less specs, uglier, plastic body, lighter, keys feel good but no after touch, keys feel like shit compared to the Montage that’s all and also no after touch which ain’t a big deal but the keys suck...trash. Good board overall. It should have came out earlier so that case I didn’t need to waste 5200.00$ on a Montage 8 here in Canada
all sounds same with a MSR400. Dont waste your money before you are asked to play for Justin Timbelake.
On you right side , isnt that a real Fender Roades ? I would burn everything to get that one !
No, but i have Fender Rhodes Suitcase. This is Wurlitzer :-)
@@muzykujkropkacom .....also great ! Norah Jones use a Wurlitzer live . About the Fender , hard to find :(
Montage takes it for me
Thanks bro. Sounds great. Appreciate the comparisons and love your playing.
Lol on all the haters out there though..
You are very rich my friend 5expensive keyboards...you people are so blessed
Similar but not the same those nuances make the difference
Muy bueno el Modx8 de verdad que si
El montage suena más real, más armonioso, el otro suena muy artificial.
Es la misma xd
El mismo Yamaha así lo afirma, mismo motor de sonido, mismos samples, puro efecto placebo auditivo.
@@LighthalzenSSlas salidas de audio son mas potentes en montage, ahi esta la diferencia, si que es verdad salvo el piano no hay tanta diferencia, de placebo nada
What do you people think about the buld quality in modx?I am planning to buy it for gigs while travelling in flights and cars.
Can it withstand that ?
That Montage 8 is the king of the jungle.
You clearly hear the montage has better quality
I don’t care what anyone says the montage is far superior. I bought a modx8 and I regret it. Lucky I only bought it a couple of days ago I am taking it back. I can’t live with myself knowing I settled for less.
This might not make any sense to some ppl but in my mind if you’re prepared to spend 2500 on a keyboard why not spend 5000? Yes it’s double the price but spending 2500 means you’re as serious about the instrument as spending 5000. It’s not like it’s a 250 keyboard
I got the Montage 6 for $2500 New what are you talkin about.
@@jeremyfrey5589 Australia
Very cool keyboard nice I would love to have one.
What can the Modx8 do that the Montoge8 cant?
Kevin Gonzales MODX have rythm Pattern :)
ok idk how they are doing it but it sound like maybe the stereo image is better it sounds more full....you can here on the highest of highs and lowest of lows where it strains ....now unless these aren't gain matched cause if the montage is slightly louder due to position or volume knob then maybe that's why it sounds that way? but i don't think its that much of a different to want to buy the montage over the modx-8 unless someone is buying it for features which i think the montage has more nice video either way i enjoyed it all ...it makes me feel how i felt when the mode-8 was against the mx88....it was a such a big difference and i feel the same here lol the montage range is better idk what they did to it but still not worth the money because without a side by side off the bat you wouldn't know the difference
After touch is a little noticeable but over all same sound.
sounds to me like Montage is hotter in the board.
0:29 wider, richer tone (hi/mid/lo), better efx (reverb etc)
I heard the difference the first two low notes on first watch. They aren’t the same