Always a great pleasure to watch u play and listen your music especially from a self taught musician. RESPECT…. And as usual always looking for new footage on your channel. Cheers from France Philippe
ahh…the 1990’s. The ensoniq ROMPLER could do that, analog synths cannot do that. You are comparing apples to guavas. Montage contains multiple engines. If you want to keep your zr76, please do. I’ll be using my Montage M8x
You're such a tremendous genius and expert at keyboard. It's really making a hard argument for the Nord Stage 4 because your playing exceeds a lot of other players demonstrating the Nord products. I wish I could see a comparison video with you working magic on that board too. I can see why you prefer this board outside of the obvious reasons that stick out. I bet the Nord boards don't allow you to expand the threshold of your abilities. The Nord is an "instrument" while the Yamaha is something else entirely. The Mx8 makes me think of that movie Master's of the Universe with Dolph Lundgren and the key that unlocks the portal to another galaxy - yeah, that sounds like something more fitting for a modern day Beethoven. Best promo for this board I've seen. Does it come in storm trooper white yet?
Wow, I would like to offer my kidney for the sound he uses from15:15 (I think its called Azumuth). Any changes this patch will be offered on Soundmondo?
Nice demo. Sounds great - but - If this is meant to be a true “workstation” not just a brill stage keyboard surely its MIDI sequencing offerings should be better. A proper piano roll MIDI editor like the AKAI MPC and FORCE range would do it.
Amazing musician and synth guru. Unfortunately the Modx+ UI was too complicated for immediate results and got rid of it with some sadness. I don’t know if the Montage M is easier
Hello McFly! Not too sharp… Referencing the previous generation of Montage or Motif is IRRELEVANT! Have you played a Montage M for more than 10 minutes? @@csharp57
@@trstack thanks for your input! It indeed seems to have change a bit, I have to investigate that. The motion sequencer was particularly difficult to apprehend (and I have a Korg Wavestate).
I want to hear factory patches beginning with concern piano, not sounds externally added. To do that implies the instrument is incomplete and must be improved.
I see it just the other way round: The presets give so many possibilities to the user to modify, arrange, rearrange the sound of this instrument in a personal and creative way. You can customize all the sounds according to your own taste and wishes. That's just fanstatic. The possibilities are almost limitless by using the three sound-engines separately or in combination. And Matt Johnson showed a few of his own ideas based on this. There exist so many demos on UA-cam, where you can hear all of the factory patches. Why should Matt Johnson mereley repeat them in his short demo? That would have been a waste of the given time.
This is a synthesizer, it is not just a preset player. It is meant to make your own sounds. There is close to infinity number of possible sounds. Why would it be incomplete when not all possible sounds are factory patches :). Are all those analog synths which have no presets at all or just very few incomplete? When you change a sound on the fly as part of expressing your music is that making a synth incomplete?
Hello, I have to come forward and ask about the new Montage M synth, as someone who played the old montage for a long time and was satisfied with the speed of the live performance, I'm confused about the new model, it sounds better, it's improved in all areas, but it seems like a step in back and a big handicap for how I use it (most colleagues I know). Why were the keys for physical page change removed? If I want to quickly change the perf during the performance from the first to the sixteenth page, do I need to click 16 times on the display? Maybe I'm old-fashioned, but I'd like someone to explain, maybe I missed something. I would really like to play the montage again but it's a big problem for me. Thanks in advance to anyone who can give me an answer and a solution.
I think workstations reached their peak some ten years ago. They still sound great, but many synths sound alike and can do the same tricks just using different names. They don't make any big difference in a mix. Carrying a huge and expensive beast like this on and off the stage is a chore. Matt sure is fantastic, but he plays the original machines when recording in his studio (Moog, Rhodes, OB, Yamaha CS80, JP-8, etc.). I don't think these types of synths are very appealing to a talented guy like Matt. It's more of a novelty that dies away quickly.
Perfect synthesizer but there is no 48v mic preamp 😡 why YAMAHA is stingy? The sounds and specifications are perfect but there is no professional 48v xlr mic input. Why removed breath controller input since YAMAHA MOTIF XS series? YAMAHA is a technology giant at world wide I think, little stingy giant 🥶🥶🥶
@@shehzadamurthy1983 I am protesting against YAMAHA, which I love very much, because it wants a lot of money but gives very few features. There are many complaints about the Modx+ interface. They never fix these problems for years, just like the bad ruling party that governs the state badly. I also watched some comparisons. Yamaha makes the most beautiful Gramd pianos in the world but their piano samplers are too weak and not natural enough. It is crushed by other brands. Roland doesn't make acoustic pianos but their phantom piano samplers are much more powerful and super natural. All my keyboards are Yamaha. I've been using Yamaha since I was a kid but now I resent YAMAHA. It has amazing technology but it's been killing musicians for years. It wants too much money but too few features. We are musicians, not sheep. We are not suckers.
@@bogusdogus Are KORG KRONOS or Roland Fantom or other professional synthesizers amateur instruments or are those who use them amateurs? This is not a correct answer. It's just a poor man's consolation. It has to have XLR microphone input and 48v. You don't want to understand this. YAMAHA is now gradually lowering the quality of the material, stealing from the material. Please do not defend the wrong.
@@mustafakurhan i agree with you, Yamaha is removing features from its flagship keyboards. Like even the sequencer was removed. Then not having PAT (poly aftertouch) on M6 and M7 is a big downer. Even though PAT makes more sense to synth players. I would have loved M7x with PAT, which would have been so rad...lighter, smaller and just the right size.
400 notes of polyphony is actually more of a marketing gimmick. Because AMW2 presets only have 128 note polyphone (same as motif ES 😮). The extra 128 note polyphony is dedicated only to the user presets. So technically AMW2 has 256 note polyphony, but in practice it remains 128. Because after buying such an expensive synth, who would buy third party sounds right away?? So you would need to buy some third party user presets right away to utilize those extra 128 notes of polyphony. Honestly i want to love Montage M, but somehow its difficult to justify the cost for what it is, considering its 2024.
If you need a lightweight 88, the CK88 has the best MIDI implementation of their lightweight stage keyboards. The YC88 and CP88 both are relatively heavy, and have the same keys as each other, which are different from Montage m8x... and all 3 of those are different from the nore portable piano keys in the CK88, and all 4 of those are different from the ultraportable keys introduced in the latest "P" series digital pianos. Hope that helps? The CK has good enough sounds to get you by, but not Montage level. CK88 plus an iPad or computer is probably the combo for lightweight and good sounds. It has drawbars, knobs and 4 MIDI zones (I think... I've never used 4). Good luck. There are many good options.
Despite the beautiful sound. it's all been there before. All those shimmers and floating tonality - laptops and midi keyboards handle it all. Soon AI will be here too. Maybe it's time to get some old processor out of storage, drill a hole in it, stick a lamp in it and epoxy it up in the hope of getting something extraordinary?
It's another trap. In a year or two you'll be bored to death with it and looking to sell for one of these reasons.. -Takes too much space -Tired of keybed -Overkill -Bored with the sounds and technology after realizing many other products do just about the same thing Stick to your cheap DX7
No me parece nada innovador . A esta altura deberían absorber sonidos de estructuras que aún nadie ha oído y se encuentran desde los apliques y roces de partículas de los robots de Elon.
Just find a way to get the montage m plugin and save your money, most digital Synths are worthless because it can be replaced and transferred to a vst on your pc.
As far I know, it is not possible to get the software without the hardware. At least this is what I read in the official Yamaha’s site. Has this changed?
@@Donetur Don’t pay attention to @johnnyADi Stay honest my friend. Piracy is what it would be and in the civilized world it will be illegal. Fact is, Yamaha has more than a few ways to squash any serious attempt. I dont know if these Montage M detractors are shills for the competition (Korg, Roland, etc.) or just lonely, angry and jealous malcontents who get enjoyment out of being antisocial. I do know one thing, and that is I love my M8x and know it’s great and I have been enjoying the heck out of it for what’s going to be a year soon. There’s plenty of growth yet to come. Oh and don’t debate the guy. He’s a liar and goes in circles.
I am protesting against YAMAHA, which I love very much, because it wants a lot of money but gives very few features. There are many complaints about the Modx+ interface. They never fix these problems for years, just like the bad ruling party that governs the state badly. I also watched some comparisons. Yamaha makes the most beautiful Gramd pianos in the world but their piano samplers are too weak and not natural enough. It is crushed by other brands. Roland doesn't make acoustic pianos but their phantom piano samplers are much more powerful and super natural. All my keyboards are Yamaha. I've been using Yamaha since I was a kid but now I resent YAMAHA. It has amazing technology but it's been killing musicians for years. It wants too much money but too few features. We are musicians, not sheep. We are not suckers.
@@mustafakurhan ....I like the piano samples from yamaha, but I needed more than great piano sounds and I opt out and went for the Fantom 8.....I see yamaha in my future but for now, I'm concentrating on getting the best out of that Fantom.....there is a learning curve with the Fantom physical modeling technic in trying to find the best sound for these instruments
Roland Fantom's best pianos are modeled, not sampled (sort of like Pianoteq). So, it becomes a matter of taste - do you prefer modeled or sampled pianos? The new Montage DID improve the samples of the pianos and EPs. They added more velocity layers, and made some new samples. The Fantom has the edge for virtual analog and wavetable synthesis, and for electronic music sounds especially.
@@GizzyDillespee I heard very nice piano sounds, specially Steinway piano sounds from Roland Fantom EX. They were very satisfactory. I don't particularly care if it's sampled or modeled. For me it's enough that it's realistic enough, that it's super natural.
Long story short: Yamaha makes the better specialty keyboard but you should just get the software of both instruments and save money. Long story in detail: For everyone complaining Roland does better piano sounds, they still aren't as good as the best sampled vsts. Yes they do a good job, but do keep in mind yamaha has an entire range of digital pianos, they can't make their Synths too good or nobody would buy their digital pianos. I think Roland and yamaha are both the same, yamaha is the king of vintage fm however, so naturally their fm is more capable. I find that more valuable because vsts do wayyy better acoustic instruments than any hardware synth. But also the groove synthesis 3rd wave virtual analog is wayyy better than Rolands fantom. Because I have a korg Kronos I already have a sampler and live set player instrument with better global controls than the Roland so it's also a better midi controller and it actually has polyphonic aftertouch believe it or not from 2012 at 3-4k retail! Yamaha only has it on their new 8 model. What does the Roland actually have that's better than the whole competition? Nothing from what I can see. And their zenology hardware Synths are a scam for the price. Their own Roland cloud sounds better, and you can get the zenology plug-ins too. Roland sucks they don't accel at anything. Yes their piano sounds and keybed with wood feels better, but it doesn't compare to yamahas own digital piano line and plus that's furniture territory so of course it's more expensive. Yamahas fm is better, both of their virtual analog sucks because they don't have analog filters like the 3rd wave hybrid synth, and both can be put into software on a pc as a plugin saving you thousands of dollars, and for sampling and realistic instruments vsts are better. Pair a korg Kronos or yamaha montage (depends which of their specialty sounds you want) with a groove synthesis 3rd wave and the Roland fantom becomes a phantom in specialty. I would just get the yamaha montage m plugin, the Korg Kronos is my favorite master midi controller plus it's sounds to pair with other instruments, use a dedicated midi controller to control the montage plugin, a groove synthesis 3rd wave desktop, meris mercury x and lvx, Empress zoia, chase bliss generation loss mk2, and red panda tensor pedals, an osmose expressive e controller, and a laptop for the yamaha plugin or other vsts, and the Roland is useless. The kronos can be upgraded past its original limits with hardware upgrades and surpass the new korg nautilus and it's vst, I haven't seen someone do that with the yamaha yet. Keep in mind this korg flagship series is based off the oasys from the early 2000s that back then costed $9000 without adjusting for modern day inflation, and boy does it show. That's why even their new grand stage x is just a Kronos with an added vox engine is just a korg oasys minus a bunch of features, korg is milking the oasys still in 2024. And they are the workstation brand. For these reasons the Korg Kronos is worth it over the yamaha montage in hardware form. Plus the Korg has a unique DAC sound if you want to color other instruments with it and the kronos has 2 sets of stereo unblanaced inputs, montage only has 1 set of stereo balanced inputs. Kronos is just a better overall piece of hardware and can do more than the montage. Get a yamaha clp885 or whatever it's called and while it's not portable you have probably the best á digital piano can be, and if you don't like yamaha, you can try a Roland or kawai and see if they are better. Or an on sale $70 noire vst which is 1 to 1 with real piano recordings that I've matched the yamaha CFX grand 1 to 1 with. Yes this is WAY more money than just buying a fantom, but it doesn't accel at literally anything. Only reason to buy a Roland fantom is if you're broke or have a lack of knowledge on what all the best stuff is. Roland was a good company, they now make fake scam analog (other than the good system 8), and all rounder Synths for basic or broke musicians. Just buy their plug-ins and save your money.
I think the only competitor to yamaha "hardware" piano can be kawaii, however it's the metter of your taste. Yamaha hardware is very reliable and robust. Hybrit piano action is amazing. I got 5 years of guarantee on my N1x. What to expect more?
When WW3 hits, the first thing to be knocked out will be the power grid. Might as well chuck away all your electronic instruments then, because all we’ll be able to play are our acoustics...
@Matt Johnson - nice homage to Lyle Mays during your DX demo! Took me a second to recall what those chords were 🙂
Mat is awesome!
Epic!! Pure Magic
Super synth. Beautiful multi layers of sound.
I have a Modx8 and it is beautiful as well. Of course, Matt makes everything sound like a million bucks.
Does Yamaha Modx series could be done same sounds as Montage M does in this video ? May be you could show me that? Thank you
SACRÉ CLAVIER !!!! .
ET LE MEC JOUE TELLEMENT BIEN !!! . ❤
If just they sold "Matt Johnson playing ability" as a MONTAGE M8x accessory, I would immediately get one! 😏
Always a great pleasure to watch u play and listen your music especially from a self taught musician. RESPECT….
And as usual always looking for new footage on your channel.
Cheers from France
Philippe
3:10 some heavy Roland JP-8000 feedback oscillator vibes here. But on steroids! Awesome sound a demos!
Mat can make a
Toy piano
sound good 🎹😎
Love the Montage ❤
I have an An1x from the nineties. I've always been a big fan of Yamaha instruments.
Matt is on point as usual - he's the reason I bought my Montage M8x. He gets so much good stuff out of the machine!
Such a psychedelic way of doing a sound demo! Wonderful!
Great demo Matt. I love my M8x -- awesome machine!
The montage just gets better🔥
But not another 2k better than the original, IMO
The BEST just got better...
This is beast🔥☠️
Matt's favourite Synthesizer
Now that's a modern day Yamaha worth having.
Woah... What a machine !
Great Demo Matt. Love d Tune at 15:00. Smoothe!
Wow amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!
Aaaa laaaaa suena Brutal!!!!
Wow! From 16:41...wow!
Wow amazing skills
Man, this thing is huge!
The gap is not enough for me to replace my Montage 8
TY Matt for this demo
Nice one Matt
If I needed a soundtrack to (my) life I'd be hiring Matt =).
Great demo, even citing Lyle Mays....
Magician
whats funny is they always comment on how it doesn’t cut sounds off when you change patches but my ensoniq zr76 didnt cut sounds off either in the 90s
ahh…the 1990’s. The ensoniq ROMPLER could do that, analog synths cannot do that. You are comparing apples to guavas. Montage contains multiple engines. If you want to keep your zr76, please do. I’ll be using my Montage M8x
@@trstack 😮 🫨in my face!! 🤕🤐
You're such a tremendous genius and expert at keyboard. It's really making a hard argument for the Nord Stage 4 because your playing exceeds a lot of other players demonstrating the Nord products. I wish I could see a comparison video with you working magic on that board too. I can see why you prefer this board outside of the obvious reasons that stick out. I bet the Nord boards don't allow you to expand the threshold of your abilities. The Nord is an "instrument" while the Yamaha is something else entirely. The Mx8 makes me think of that movie Master's of the Universe with Dolph Lundgren and the key that unlocks the portal to another galaxy - yeah, that sounds like something more fitting for a modern day Beethoven. Best promo for this board I've seen. Does it come in storm trooper white yet?
Matt Johnson is the man! 🤩 🤩
👌👍 from Kerala God's own country.
That 15:12 vibe!
What a sweet tribute to Lyle Mays with Before You Go
Wow, I would like to offer my kidney for the sound he uses from15:15 (I think its called Azumuth). Any changes this patch will be offered on Soundmondo?
Nice demo. Sounds great - but - If this is meant to be a true “workstation” not just a brill stage keyboard surely its MIDI sequencing offerings should be better. A proper piano roll MIDI editor like the AKAI MPC and FORCE range would do it.
Motif XF was panicle of Yamaha sequencer. Had great song mode and pattern mode.
I want to buy one, the M8x, but here in Lucerne, Switzerland, it seems to be impossible to find. 🙁
Please check with your local Swiss Yamaha dealers here: ch.yamaha.com/de/find/dealers/ They will be able to let you know availability 👍
Matt does the best demos.
Amazing musician and synth guru. Unfortunately the Modx+ UI was too complicated for immediate results and got rid of it with some sadness. I don’t know if the Montage M is easier
Montage M is SO much better. The UI and additional screen and navigation function makes it so much easier to use.
My church got the Montage a few years ago and I never vibed with the UI or the lay out.
Hello McFly! Not too sharp… Referencing the previous generation of Montage or Motif is IRRELEVANT!
Have you played a Montage M for more than 10 minutes?
@@csharp57
@@trstack thanks for your input! It indeed seems to have change a bit, I have to investigate that. The motion sequencer was particularly difficult to apprehend (and I have a Korg Wavestate).
7:15 is this sound dx available in the montage?
I want to hear factory patches beginning with concern piano, not sounds externally added. To do that implies the instrument is incomplete and must be improved.
Exacty what "sounds" were "externally added"?
timestamps?
I see it just the other way round: The presets give so many possibilities to the user to modify, arrange, rearrange the sound of this instrument in a personal and creative way. You can customize all the sounds according to your own taste and wishes. That's just fanstatic. The possibilities are almost limitless by using the three sound-engines separately or in combination. And Matt Johnson showed a few of his own ideas based on this.
There exist so many demos on UA-cam, where you can hear all of the factory patches. Why should Matt Johnson mereley repeat them in his short demo? That would have been a waste of the given time.
This is a synthesizer, it is not just a preset player. It is meant to make your own sounds. There is close to infinity number of possible sounds. Why would it be incomplete when not all possible sounds are factory patches :). Are all those analog synths which have no presets at all or just very few incomplete? When you change a sound on the fly as part of expressing your music is that making a synth incomplete?
Best
The most Creative Sounds and his playing also.
15:00 Great for a sci-fi soundtrack!
I want
Всегда приятно послушать этого музыканта, очень вкусный музон, в какие- то моменты вернулся в 2000 года
Hello,
I have to come forward and ask about the new Montage M synth, as someone who played the old montage for a long time and was satisfied with the speed of the live performance, I'm confused about the new model, it sounds better, it's improved in all areas, but it seems like a step in back and a big handicap for how I use it (most colleagues I know). Why were the keys for physical page change removed? If I want to quickly change the perf during the performance from the first to the sixteenth page, do I need to click 16 times on the display? Maybe I'm old-fashioned, but I'd like someone to explain, maybe I missed something. I would really like to play the montage again but it's a big problem for me. Thanks in advance to anyone who can give me an answer and a solution.
I think workstations reached their peak some ten years ago. They still sound great, but many synths sound alike and can do the same tricks just using different names. They don't make any big difference in a mix. Carrying a huge and expensive beast like this on and off the stage is a chore. Matt sure is fantastic, but he plays the original machines when recording in his studio (Moog, Rhodes, OB, Yamaha CS80, JP-8, etc.). I don't think these types of synths are very appealing to a talented guy like Matt. It's more of a novelty that dies away quickly.
He tours with two Montages
And the DGX-670 string voices don't sustain with the pedal
We can have a dinner on this. Heavy size and weight
The Beverly Hillbillies would call it a "fancy eatin' table".
Perfect synthesizer but there is no 48v mic preamp 😡 why YAMAHA is stingy? The sounds and specifications are perfect but there is no professional 48v xlr mic input. Why removed breath controller input since YAMAHA MOTIF XS series? YAMAHA is a technology giant at world wide I think, little stingy giant 🥶🥶🥶
That's quite right of you. Why no 48v mic support, weird. Also just 16 voices of polyphony on ANX patch! it's 2024!
@@shehzadamurthy1983 I am protesting against YAMAHA, which I love very much, because it wants a lot of money but gives very few features. There are many complaints about the Modx+ interface. They never fix these problems for years, just like the bad ruling party that governs the state badly. I also watched some comparisons. Yamaha makes the most beautiful Gramd pianos in the world but their piano samplers are too weak and not natural enough. It is crushed by other brands. Roland doesn't make acoustic pianos but their phantom piano samplers are much more powerful and super natural. All my keyboards are Yamaha. I've been using Yamaha since I was a kid but now I resent YAMAHA. It has amazing technology but it's been killing musicians for years. It wants too much money but too few features. We are musicians, not sheep. We are not suckers.
I think it's because most pros would never use it
@@bogusdogus Are KORG KRONOS or Roland Fantom or other professional synthesizers amateur instruments or are those who use them amateurs? This is not a correct answer. It's just a poor man's consolation. It has to have XLR microphone input and 48v. You don't want to understand this. YAMAHA is now gradually lowering the quality of the material, stealing from the material. Please do not defend the wrong.
@@mustafakurhan i agree with you, Yamaha is removing features from its flagship keyboards. Like even the sequencer was removed. Then not having PAT (poly aftertouch) on M6 and M7 is a big downer. Even though PAT makes more sense to synth players.
I would have loved M7x with PAT, which would have been so rad...lighter, smaller and just the right size.
Ferrari dos teclados!
Synthesizer gelişmeleri artık bir şey ifade etmiyor bence. Kullanılan sesler zaten belli. Çok özel sesler VST lerde var sadece...
I have a feeling this will cost more than my car.
400 notes of polyphony is actually more of a marketing gimmick. Because AMW2 presets only have 128 note polyphone (same as motif ES 😮). The extra 128 note polyphony is dedicated only to the user presets.
So technically AMW2 has 256 note polyphony, but in practice it remains 128. Because after buying such an expensive synth, who would buy third party sounds right away??
So you would need to buy some third party user presets right away to utilize those extra 128 notes of polyphony.
Honestly i want to love Montage M, but somehow its difficult to justify the cost for what it is, considering its 2024.
Just think what Bach would have thought about this world ….no more writing music in candlelight….
Key’s Core…
The analog simulation push is tired.
For live work this board is too heavy for me so please Yamaha make a lighter gigging model, would love one but not at this weight!
Louder, please!
M6 and M7 is here
They do. It's called a MODX8
@@bogusdogus I know but not a MODXM8
If you need a lightweight 88, the CK88 has the best MIDI implementation of their lightweight stage keyboards. The YC88 and CP88 both are relatively heavy, and have the same keys as each other, which are different from Montage m8x... and all 3 of those are different from the nore portable piano keys in the CK88, and all 4 of those are different from the ultraportable keys introduced in the latest "P" series digital pianos. Hope that helps?
The CK has good enough sounds to get you by, but not Montage level. CK88 plus an iPad or computer is probably the combo for lightweight and good sounds. It has drawbars, knobs and 4 MIDI zones (I think... I've never used 4). Good luck. There are many good options.
Despite the beautiful sound. it's all been there before. All those shimmers and floating tonality - laptops and midi keyboards handle it all. Soon AI will be here too. Maybe it's time to get some old processor out of storage, drill a hole in it, stick a lamp in it and epoxy it up in the hope of getting something extraordinary?
Still does not growl like an Obie.
It's another trap. In a year or two you'll be bored to death with it and looking to sell for one of these reasons..
-Takes too much space
-Tired of keybed
-Overkill
-Bored with the sounds and technology after realizing many other products do just about the same thing
Stick to your cheap DX7
id stick wid my stinking controller n mainstage😅
Lo único que no me gusta de ese teclado. Es esa lucesita q se prende y se apaga. Es horrible 🤦🏻🤦🏻🤦🏻
No me parece nada innovador . A esta altura deberían absorber sonidos de estructuras que aún nadie ha oído y se encuentran desde los apliques y roces de partículas de los robots de Elon.
Naaah, too heavy, too expensive!!! That thing is a building! Many other synths have similar sounds (including Yamaha), less expensive, less heavy.
Just find a way to get the montage m plugin and save your money, most digital Synths are worthless because it can be replaced and transferred to a vst on your pc.
As far I know, it is not possible to get the software without the hardware. At least this is what I read in the official Yamaha’s site. Has this changed?
@@Donetur oh there's a way. Look around. I'm not distributing that information. That's why I said "find a way"
@@JohnnyADi aha! I see. Well, if it is related with piracy I don’t do that. But now I understand. I appreciate your response. :)
@@Donetur nope it's not piracy technically, it is considered legit.
@@Donetur
Don’t pay attention to @johnnyADi
Stay honest my friend. Piracy is what it would be and in the civilized world it will be illegal. Fact is, Yamaha has more than a few ways to squash any serious attempt. I dont know if these Montage M detractors are shills for the competition (Korg, Roland, etc.) or just lonely, angry and jealous malcontents who get enjoyment out of being antisocial.
I do know one thing, and that is I love my M8x and know it’s great and I have been enjoying the heck out of it for what’s going to be a year soon. There’s plenty of growth yet to come. Oh and don’t debate the guy. He’s a liar and goes in circles.
I am protesting against YAMAHA, which I love very much, because it wants a lot of money but gives very few features. There are many complaints about the Modx+ interface. They never fix these problems for years, just like the bad ruling party that governs the state badly. I also watched some comparisons. Yamaha makes the most beautiful Gramd pianos in the world but their piano samplers are too weak and not natural enough. It is crushed by other brands. Roland doesn't make acoustic pianos but their phantom piano samplers are much more powerful and super natural. All my keyboards are Yamaha. I've been using Yamaha since I was a kid but now I resent YAMAHA. It has amazing technology but it's been killing musicians for years. It wants too much money but too few features. We are musicians, not sheep. We are not suckers.
@@mustafakurhan ....I like the piano samples from yamaha, but I needed more than great piano sounds and I opt out and went for the Fantom 8.....I see yamaha in my future but for now, I'm concentrating on getting the best out of that Fantom.....there is a learning curve with the Fantom physical modeling technic in trying to find the best sound for these instruments
Roland Fantom's best pianos are modeled, not sampled (sort of like Pianoteq). So, it becomes a matter of taste - do you prefer modeled or sampled pianos? The new Montage DID improve the samples of the pianos and EPs. They added more velocity layers, and made some new samples. The Fantom has the edge for virtual analog and wavetable synthesis, and for electronic music sounds especially.
@@GizzyDillespee I heard very nice piano sounds, specially Steinway piano sounds from Roland Fantom EX. They were very satisfactory. I don't particularly care if it's sampled or modeled. For me it's enough that it's realistic enough, that it's super natural.
Long story short: Yamaha makes the better specialty keyboard but you should just get the software of both instruments and save money.
Long story in detail: For everyone complaining Roland does better piano sounds, they still aren't as good as the best sampled vsts. Yes they do a good job, but do keep in mind yamaha has an entire range of digital pianos, they can't make their Synths too good or nobody would buy their digital pianos.
I think Roland and yamaha are both the same, yamaha is the king of vintage fm however, so naturally their fm is more capable. I find that more valuable because vsts do wayyy better acoustic instruments than any hardware synth. But also the groove synthesis 3rd wave virtual analog is wayyy better than Rolands fantom. Because I have a korg Kronos I already have a sampler and live set player instrument with better global controls than the Roland so it's also a better midi controller and it actually has polyphonic aftertouch believe it or not from 2012 at 3-4k retail! Yamaha only has it on their new 8 model.
What does the Roland actually have that's better than the whole competition? Nothing from what I can see. And their zenology hardware Synths are a scam for the price. Their own Roland cloud sounds better, and you can get the zenology plug-ins too. Roland sucks they don't accel at anything. Yes their piano sounds and keybed with wood feels better, but it doesn't compare to yamahas own digital piano line and plus that's furniture territory so of course it's more expensive. Yamahas fm is better, both of their virtual analog sucks because they don't have analog filters like the 3rd wave hybrid synth, and both can be put into software on a pc as a plugin saving you thousands of dollars, and for sampling and realistic instruments vsts are better. Pair a korg Kronos or yamaha montage (depends which of their specialty sounds you want) with a groove synthesis 3rd wave and the Roland fantom becomes a phantom in specialty.
I would just get the yamaha montage m plugin, the Korg Kronos is my favorite master midi controller plus it's sounds to pair with other instruments, use a dedicated midi controller to control the montage plugin, a groove synthesis 3rd wave desktop, meris mercury x and lvx, Empress zoia, chase bliss generation loss mk2, and red panda tensor pedals, an osmose expressive e controller, and a laptop for the yamaha plugin or other vsts, and the Roland is useless. The kronos can be upgraded past its original limits with hardware upgrades and surpass the new korg nautilus and it's vst, I haven't seen someone do that with the yamaha yet. Keep in mind this korg flagship series is based off the oasys from the early 2000s that back then costed $9000 without adjusting for modern day inflation, and boy does it show. That's why even their new grand stage x is just a Kronos with an added vox engine is just a korg oasys minus a bunch of features, korg is milking the oasys still in 2024. And they are the workstation brand. For these reasons the Korg Kronos is worth it over the yamaha montage in hardware form. Plus the Korg has a unique DAC sound if you want to color other instruments with it and the kronos has 2 sets of stereo unblanaced inputs, montage only has 1 set of stereo balanced inputs. Kronos is just a better overall piece of hardware and can do more than the montage.
Get a yamaha clp885 or whatever it's called and while it's not portable you have probably the best á digital piano can be, and if you don't like yamaha, you can try a Roland or kawai and see if they are better. Or an on sale $70 noire vst which is 1 to 1 with real piano recordings that I've matched the yamaha CFX grand 1 to 1 with.
Yes this is WAY more money than just buying a fantom, but it doesn't accel at literally anything. Only reason to buy a Roland fantom is if you're broke or have a lack of knowledge on what all the best stuff is. Roland was a good company, they now make fake scam analog (other than the good system 8), and all rounder Synths for basic or broke musicians. Just buy their plug-ins and save your money.
I think the only competitor to yamaha "hardware" piano can be kawaii, however it's the metter of your taste. Yamaha hardware is very reliable and robust. Hybrit piano action is amazing. I got 5 years of guarantee on my N1x. What to expect more?
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Korg pa5x is 10 times better.
When WW3 hits, the first thing to be knocked out will be the power grid. Might as well chuck away all your electronic instruments then, because all we’ll be able to play are our acoustics...
Keyboard is fantastic for a studio production but probably to heavy for taking to the gig
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