yeah i loved the game but the boss fights were pure cancer. the i think third boss - the guy who looks like he's got no skin was nearly impossible when going for a nonlethal stealth build and having foolishly gotten that 'upgrade' which just makes you lose augmentations
+Karn Kaul Exactly, the DLC mission actually makes the story flow much nicer which was surprising to me, but it really does fill in a lot of plot holes.
Yeah, but that is more a matter of taste than quality; Deus Ex has always been about maximum player agency, performance notwithstanding. And I think thematically that fits better.
+Karn Kaul hey, people take the piss out of mass effect 3s endings without realising that you have to EARN them and that most reviewers rushed throughout the game and only got the crappy one.
Luckily, we have the director's cut now which actually allows for the whole "stealth approach" to be viable in boss fights AND incorporates that near godly DLC that they had. Oh, and it gives you a silenced sniper rifle, something the normal game severely lacked.
The problem with the Director's Cut is that they still had to stick with the base concept, you had to shoot the bosses until they died. The changes gave you variety, but it didn't at all cater to the purists(which is a larger group than you think). The Missing Link's fight was perfect though.
It's extra-lucky that you had to buy the entire game again at full price to get that, or buy the single chapter they hacked out of it for later sale at roughly half the price of the full game to get its complete story before the "Director's Cut". We're such lucky people.
I like stealth, but i don't like Deux ex:HR's idea of stealth. In which if a guy spots you, a split second before you instantly take him out, every single man, woman, and child plus their mother instantly knows you're there. :/
1300l And yet this isn't an issue in the later Metal Gear games. You can get spotted and kill whoever saw you before they say anything, and no alert happens. Or if they die as they're calling an alert, it goes to caution and they send someone to investigate. There's no excuse for omniscient telepath guards in a modern stealth game.
1:37 I think that's chiefly because Adam was augmented by a top of the line bio-tech firm where the cyborgs following him are products of the "dark age" that leads up to the original game.
Actually, it's explained somewhere outside of the main games that Gunther Hermann just has a downright insane amount of augmentations, all of which were designed with functionality over appearance.
@@HQ_Default If it's "explained somewhere outside of the main games", it by definition is not part of the game's story. Stories sink or swim by what's in them, not what nervous creators or owners try to patch into them by saying it's "revealed" or "explained" somewhere else.
Fighting Barrett was great fun. Hiding in the vent, watching his grenades bounce off and land at his feet. "Eat this!!" *Sound of a grenade bouncing onto the floor, followed by a boom* "Oh, you wanna fight dirty, do yer?!" Repeat until cutscene.
+Andy B My initial strategy against Barrett was to throw all the frag grenades I'd been hoarding at him, then follow them up with stun grenades and AP pistol headshots. The second boss I had a hell of a time with, before saying screw it and buying the Typhoon. Although I did later discover the PEPS will stun her long enough for a couple good headshots.
+moosemaimer Just finished that invisible bitch off. There's that heavy rifle thingy and a coolant mod somewhere not long before this fight. You just whip it out, point in her general direction when she gets close to you, and hold LMB. It permastunlocks her, then triggers her fallback maneuver, giving you the time to reload. And you don't even have to make a step.
Though in the game the debate really seem to lean toward augmentation being unnatural it really felt to me like the TRUE problem it caused was the heavy relliance on neuropozyne which is quite expensive
Then Human Revolution's fictional politics still make little sense, because that would lead to people demanding subsidized access to clear and unambiguous improvements to their standard of living that have been kept out their reach with a price tag, not people ranting that such improvements are unnatural _because_ they're expensive and should be banned. We know that because that's exactly what happens in our world. Even the kooks who think that vaccinations, etc., are "unnatural" don't think that because they or other people can't afford them.
'The kind of nightmare Philip K. Dick might have while being spooned by H.R. Giger' that is the most apt description of Deus Ex's ending I have ever heard
Nikolas Orava "Ok,i'm in" *Later that day in the news report* "A man was running down the street flailing his limbs as he yelled THE HACKERS ARE COMING!THE HACKERS ARE COMING!BY LAND BY LAND!"
He largely comes away with the same conclusion, in describing it as an essentially "action game with [Immersive sim] elements, rather than an [Immersive Sim] with action elements", though his regard for the original is clearly less overwhelmingly positive than Hbombs. I feel like it's helpful to remember that at the time (And Hbomb does mention this), DX'HR was a real curveball in the generally bland/mediocre pool of AAA releases, most of which Yahtzee had to play. As such I think his review is pretty fair for the time, even if I personally tend to come away with much the same conclusions as Hbomb nowadays
Human Revolution is a good game today, in 2022. Never having played it before and having been disappointed by Cyberjunk 2077, I loved it and 100% it. Human Revolution's worldbuilding is engaging, the earnest voice acting and scripts come off as credible (except for Jensen himself), and the story, its questions and their possible answers are far better presented than anything released in the last five years, also showing how mediocre are the Fortnite times we live in. Sadly, Mankind Divided was not as good, concise and poignant. Human Revolution is worth full price. Mankind Divided is a Buy on Sale affair. Really poetic when you think about it.
@@vorbo01 Imagine criticising peoples media consumption habits, as if anything anyone watches on youtube is more or less cringe than anything else. It's all cringe and we're all pathetic because we're all here making money for google and there's nothing we can do about it.
I'm not a fan of the "Ending-Tron 3000" But the reason why the endings didn't show you what happened to the world was because there was supposed to be some ambiguity about it to make you think if you made the right choice. Especially the suicide ending, you have no idea what the world will do, you pulled a Snake Plisken and just let the world do what it wants without being persuaded in any direction. I think it's important that they don't show what happens because that would cheapen the impact.
That's a botch job though, because none of the endings really give much insight into the man Adam becomes. Plus it's a Deus Ex game, the point of the game IS the world.
***** An ending closes an arc. There was no arc closure, it was a misstep of the basics of storytelling. If DE games aren't about the world, why is there so much flavor text? Why is there so much effort put into fleshing it out? The main characters of both games are men who shoulder the burden of affecting how the world is shaped at a crucial turning point in history. The world is directly affected by their actions, and we saw none of it in any HR endings.
Which is a an ending i can respect until it contradicts itself by them making deus ex mankind divided but whatever im sure that game will still be good.
2:11 the vending machine thing was actually how I ghosted most of the missions as the gang would get all upaty if I so much as looked around the corner but where oddly not fussed about the three vending machines that where slowly making there way towards them (also the vending machines are a lot sturdier than you would imagine I mean all 3 of them survived been thrown of the top of a 6 story building, this also didn’t bother the gang just down the street from them I guess the zone is really rough if vending machines been thrown off the top of building is just another Tuesday)
0:37 "What do you mean, 'would I?' I already wear spectacles." 1:24 "They even implant sunglasses directly into his face. I'd like to see them explain to the medical insurance people how that was a necessary procedure." Sounds like someone's just envious that Adam's specs are cooler than his.
Yahtzee guessed _Human Revolution's_ DLC correctly before his guess in this video: at the time, he was one of the loudest voices arguing that what companies were pushing as DLC was often just a part of the game they withheld until an extra fee was paid by the player. Sure enough, the game leaves out a chapter of its story, which Square Enix promptly announced for sale as new content and actually had the stones to name "The Missing Link".
0:45 this is the best answer to every discussion of technological progress...hands down. Watched a lot of sciency and techy videos discussing this issue. I was present in a lot of discussions on the topic with people. And this is the best and most succint argument i've heard so far :)
Funny, the boss fights I've experienced in Deus Ex: HR directors cut, actually DOES have the elements he talked about, or at least the option to hack a turret and so on is THERE, though it's my mandatory for completion, but it certainly offers a variation of taking down a boss, even though they basically still are just tougher soldiers.
Kevin Traberg The way I heard it going down was that the boss fights had to be out scoured to a different studio due to time or budgetary strains. So they weren't privy to the actual process and tone that the rest of the development cycle was working on. When the "director's cut" came about it obviously had the content the original creators were going for but couldn't meet the initial commercial release.
Yeah that's super funny that they convinced chumps to buy the game again for full price by including 1) a chunk of the game they'd ripped out and sold as "new content" DLC, something which Yahtzee spent this entire year making fun of, 2) adding some stuff to boss fights
5:02 We don't need to see what world we've created though. We already can. It's called Deus Ex 1. No matter what choice you make, the world is screwed.
Maybe it changes Mankind Divided? That then shows how the Illuminati take over. By the way, never played a Deus Ex and I'm just piecing together what I know.
+Batman well if you do you'll notice right off the bat that Augs have been strictly regulated. You barely run into any civilian that has them or read about people who do. Most folks who are auged that you encounter are either ex-military or from wealthy families. So I believe that in MD we're going to start seeing tight restrictions in place on human augmentations and it's going to be pretty difficult for folks to get them. BTW if you do play the game I recommend using the revision mod on steam now. I've been through it more times than I can remember and I recite a lot of the game by memory and revision is just gorgeous.
This is exactly the reason why I don't understand why the devs keep harping on about multiple endings for Mankind Divided. I mean who cares, everything you do will lead to JC killing a bunch of dudes while spouting cheesy one liners anyway :D
In the defense of Human Revolution, the Director's Cut did fix the boss fights. yes, they still die, but you end up with more ways to take them out. As for the ending, they had more games planned so they left it kind of open ended. Also, as for the weapons training thing. Adam was ex swat. If he didn't know how to operate most guns, I'd consider him a failure.
And JC Denton was a highly trained police officer with nano-augmentations. Why did his aim with the pistol still kind of blow (despite "Trained" skill right at the start), his melee skill was piss poor, et cetera? I don't think there's a good explanation as to how Adam can wield pistols, assault rifles, shotguns, sniper rifles, grenades, and heavy weaponry all equally well with no RPG-style training required. I doubt SWAT taught him how to effectively wield miniguns and rocket launchers...
TankCommander451 i've never fired a minigun or a rocket launcher so I can't say how similar or different they are to firing a rifle. but i can't imagine he would be lacking in training of pistols, shotguns, or rifles. and grenades are easy enough to use provided you can throw where you're aiming lol
It's not about them having planned sequels, we didn't need a "glimpse of the world our choice created" because that world is Deus Ex. Did this guy forget this was a prequel when he complained about the ending? It's like complaining that the end of Revenge of the Sith doesn't tell you what's going to happen with Darth Vader.
Dreadjaws true but i expect more from an ending of a game i've just sunk 40+ hours into than here is something we made in windows movie maker 5 minutes before deadline.
The classism angle is apparently completely lost on Yahtzee, I guess. They made it pretty clear that most of the humans getting left in the dust weren't doing it by choice, they were doing it because they couldn't afford it so now how skilled and successful you are in life is now directly linked to your (or, rather, your parent's) bank account.
+Brian Jensen If that's really what the developers were going for, they failed to convey it when they made the games most promonent opponent to human augmentation a rich white man.
+Brian Jensen i agree completely, but he misses the point that the classism is not just prevalent on the game. he gives the example of wearing glasses, and depending on where do you live, those too can be prohibitely expensive and here we're talking about a very basic need
3:51 Funnily enough, In the Missing Link DLC, I just sneaked into the conveniently placed, out of reach computer terminal (not before stunning some pesky snipers) and just set the robot and turrets to start redecorating the boss room with bullet holes. Then I spent the rest of the DLC feeling like this skill upgrade was actually useful and wasn't only needed once in the entire game.
The funny thing about this game now, as I understand it, is that in the Directors Cut version, they in fact made the boss fights more friendly towards stealth players. I have been playing the game more recently and have actually gotten somewhere in the story, and it seems that the stealth mechanics have become more refined in Deus Ex Human Revolution DC ( I had the original played it for a bit, found out about the DC version and have been catching up to where I had left off).
Yep, all the boss fights are now doable for non-combat play styles. You still kill the boss, just not directly. First major boss you can run away from, hack into a security room and activate a bunch of turrets that riddle him with bullets instead. Which is nice. However, I am hoping that a future title allows for non-violent resolutions to boss battles. A bit like with the first 'boss' in the factory who you can talk down rather then kill.
+Michael Hollamon (Ragnellrok) its not just that its also that you have two energy bars now but they charge slower, which makes the game more about planning ahead then dissapearing
I'll always remember my impression of "Typhoon" argumentation, a grenade attached to the spring that's hidden in chest and release a load with loud BOINK and after each shot needed to be manually crammed back into the rib cage.
I actually have to remember that the final boss of HR is that freaky biocomputer thing, and not the final verbal confrontation with the old dude who basically invented augmentation.
Hey now, DX1's non-lethal options were pretty damn strong IMO! True, the tranq crossbow does make people run around like headless chickens for awhile before they drop but they do ALWAYS drop which is useful when your gun skills still suck. Also the riot prod is straight up OP; you can instantly knock out or at least stun an enemy even with no skill points spent and you can do it without alerting even people right next to them. You can even use it on MiBs and commandos if you do it right. Gas grenades are also extremely strong!
0:40 I’m disabled can only stand up long enough to just about make a cup of tea and I’m in pain 24/7 and that’s while been on the highest level of painkillers they give to people unless they have the big C so would I augment my body hell yes I need a new spine and a new nervous system and there both borked. Also I’ve started getting twitchy arms and legs when I try to sleep which is so much fun you just have to try it :(
I prefer a game where the path you choose leads you to a certain ending it adds replay value like Fallout New Vegas did, In a game where in the end it doesn't even matter what you did and they just give you a selection of different endings. i.e. the three buttons in Deus Ex Human Revolution, or the choose your color ending in Mass Effect 3 you just load your last saved file push a different button and that's it. I'll have to take point's for that.
I'm not sure if it's diffrent, but I got the directors cut, and in boss fights you can sneak around, hack turrets, climb high etc. though I it is easy to miss, hacking was hard to find, but could Yahtzee have missed them?
it was a problem in the original game that stealthy playthroughs were essentially screwed with the box fights, so the DC version added stealthy methods of winning
To be fair about Adam being skilled with guns.(till you get to that big ass laser gun you get) Adam was a swat captain so he’s been trained to handle different firearms
“Ending-Tron 3000” should be the name of the relevant trope on Tv Tropes. If there isn’t a strictly relevant trope (unlikely), there should be. It’s a decent name for it.
It has its flaws but I sill love this game. I initially hated how the endings were handled, but I've grown to like it since they made me think. Let the truth of what happened be known.
ISeenACar87 i liked them too for how well written the monologues were. Regardless of what choice you think is right, each one is pretty convincing and thought-provoking.
A large part of the plot was that not only could people get augmentations by choice, but when injured or hospitalized, augmentations were put in when deemed necessary by the surgeons (for survival, or to maintain the same quality of life). This then caused a dependency on pharmaceutical remedies to keep the body from rejecting the augments. In short, it seemed to be a big finger pointer at the medical and pharmaceutical industries that don't cure things, just treat them for millions of dollars.
Yeah, I completely agree. I'm not even sure what they did, or what they were thinking to cause such a quality drop in something that simple yet still be able to pull off what you mentioned.
Director's Cut looks beautiful, the character clothing/faces don't look like ass now. The boss fights are challenging and rewarding, it really makes Deus Ex that game I wanted but now can enjoy fully. Imho, Director's Cut is literally the best video game I've played in a long time.
once I got the hang of it the humble stun gun was probably my second most used weapon. it takes down the armored mooks in one shot, stuns anything electronic, and quiet as a whisper.
Only in the boss fights, and only due to the DLC inclusion. Besides that it's no different. It's still dumbed down compared to DX1 (though not as badly as IW), and you can't really specialize. Also, you can going back to loot all the other paths in the same run through the game means that I never needed to replay the game as much as I did DX1. I saw pretty much everything on the first run through.
In the first mission, the first room I walked into, I grabbed a cardboard box and threw it into a swat team member who was going to help me, then everyone within a 20 mile radius shot at me with machine guns. It made me laugh so hard that I rolled my chair over.
I honestly couldnt finish this game because i just finished Dishonored before starting this one, a game wich i enjoyed infinitely more because the gameplay was much more intuitive and gave me more options from the start.
I loved DXHR and I'm looking forward to playing the Director's Cut. As a stealth aficionado, I appreciate the enemy's ability to revive their temporarily unconscious comrades. Makes it more difficult in many cases, but it also can allow you to bring the enemies to a predetermined location over the sleeping body. Then you can use the UR-DED to blow up the lot of them!
I really like this game. It's well-written, the stealth is fun, there's multiple ways to pull things off, and if I get really bored I can stand against the wall and do the Safety Dance.
I have two words for anyone who has ever had a problem with any of the boss fights: Frag Mines. Seriously you can stealth the entire game with just these in your inventory.
I don't get it? Why would you need to know what happens to the world after Adam makes his choice. When you already do know what happens. Hence Human Revolution being a prequel.
The main thing I liked that was brought up about the conflict between machine heads and ludites was the idea that only the rich could truly afford them. If everyone with more money than you can suddenly make themselves just as smart or smarter than you how is anyone supposed to pull themselves up on their own. It replaces talent and merit with money and basically creates a physical distinction between people with money and people without it. There's a side quest that addresses it really well.
Does it matter? A proper critique is not about giving a solid yes/no answer it's about giving a complex 'opinion' on a work of art. The yes/no way of 'reviewing' is a commercial creation that no one should put any stock in at all.
Yahtzee's's mato is to be exceptionally harsh on games that aren't exceptional. If he rails on the thing, it's either very bad or a game that he found to be very boring (i.e. if you have similar tastes to him as far as games go, you probably won't enjoy the title. If your tastes differ, then it is either a good game in a genre he hates or a bad game overall), If you can't tell, he usually means the game is good enough that if you had an interest in it, it may be worth a second look. If he praises it, it means its a great game that fits him perfectly (i.e. if you like the game he does, you will love the game, and if you don't, you should do a little more digging to see if it fits you) . Hopefully this guide is useful.... Also keep in mind this is more of a punditry show then a review show. It's suppose to be funny, entertaining, and overly harsh. Not necessarily a great buyers guide.
Human revolution has fucking 100% health regen when you hide behind cover! It makes stealth gameplay too easy even on high difficulty, and ruins the old style hp system, and before you say I'm just living off nostalgia I am 17 years old and I played the new one first!
I fell in love with it near the end when I found out it could stun security devices, and take down the heavey mooks in one shot. but yes takedowns are OP
ahhh, like mass effect 3...sigh (well, i least you can save just before the big decision and have 3 ending in one sitting, have 3 achievements and 1 big dissapointment)
Perry Davis Cant' disagree there. I guess its just sort of... Lackluster? I guess? It gives that griping feeling off "WHAT HAPPENED NEXT?!" It gave the conclusion of the whole subject, but it didn't bother to touch down on the characters that you grew to know and like.
Lewtable They have just announced Deus Ex: Universe a month or so ago. The story will continue. Don't worry about that :) Whether that was the initial plan or not, who knows?
Probably the best deal I ever got for a game. I bought it and the original in a Steam sale a few years ago, and played through both just recently. They are that special kind of good in a video game that sticks with you for months.
EverythingReviewer99 I've played all of the Half Life games to completion and I still don't like any of them. And I also like gameplay over story. I do love me some retro 90s shooters, but I still prefer Deus Ex over Half Life.
Way late to the party. I love how everyone is dog piling on the ending of the game, when that's exactly the same way the original Deus Ex ended. One big dungeon level with three final tasks to choose from. Pick one to finish and you get a 30 second cut scene with your chosen faction that tells a little about how they intend to go forward from there in rebuilding the world. That's it, and yet people have their nostalgia (myself included).
I find cover system a great addition because it enhances both combat and stealth. It's especially helpful in steath as I no longer have to rely on that gimmicky peeking mechanic from DX1. And it also helps you plan your actions better.
+PonzooonTheGreat Really? I found myself luring enemies out one-by-one and insta-ragdolling them with a single button for pretty much the entirety of the game. It was actually pretty easy, I thought.
Cassuis Augustus Cornelius Mc'Lettuce Yeah, it wasn't hard (pre animated insta-kills/insta-knockouts were dumb imo) but if a guard spots you properly for even a split second the alarm goes off somehow and everyone pinpoints you.
PonzooonTheGreat Oh yeah single button take downs were ridiculous. Maybe I just haven't played enough stealth games to know what really good stealth feels like.
Having played the original and this, I say the original beats it barely. The gameplay is far superior in this game and the AI is wayyyy better in HR, but story of the original is better and honestly, I think hacking in HR is OP. In the original, lock picks and multi tools are scarce, which makes looking for codes actually important. I like that better.
Just beat it. Been putting this video off for... well, 4 years, because I knew it was a game I wanted to play. Really enjoyed it, and I'm typically mercilessly picky with my RPGs.
I think people are trying to overthink the plot and comparing it too much to the original Deus Ex. The original developers for that game said they were excited for what Eidos Montreal had done with the Deus Ex series. Human augmentation is a very recent topic and you can see why it aligned with so many people's wavelengths, even if it didn't for others. I'm glad they took time to make a worthwhile game, even if claiming that "Oh the game is just better because it's older" is a mainstream thing amongst old school gamers. I like both the games equally as they had strengths in completely different areas and I'm still pretty hyped for MD.
All the flaws he pointed out here are major flaws, especially plot-wise. Human Revolution is poorly writen not only compred to original game, but also in general (random bosses we don't know anything about, shitty ending choice and Adam's rant about environment, etc.). It might try to touch on important social issues, and even tho it fails misserably (it's so fu**ing shallow), people still apreciate it, sadly.
+Too_Funny I'm not dude I just don't see it as a good game it's innovated but by today's standards it's bad and overcomplicates things that should be simple
Haven't finished the game yet, and while I definitely agree with all the boss fight points (Even in the Director's Cut), I don't think I could say that Deus Ex one is significantly deeper that Human Revolution. On one hand, because I found Human Revolution a bit more nuanced than what he said (despite Yathzee being ok with augmentations (as I am), one look outside the window is enough to make me think "Yeah, some people are probably gonna yell on this one"). Plus, even if some upgrade are kinda useless, there are enough good ones to make experience points feel like rewards, and encourage you to explore, which is all one could ask for. On the other hand, I don't think Deus Ex one deserves a lot of praise for it's length or depth. Granted, it took me 50 hours to finish my first run, which is impressive, but if I had been given the director's cut, I would have went into it with a hacksaw and removed at least 10 hours. 10 hours of going through boring industrial buildings, basements or the catacombs of Paris. And it's not like your Dark Souls, where the awful catacombs levels are here to make Anor Londo or Irythill even cooler by comparison. It's just padding out. Also, while I don't remember character referencing philosophical concepts in the dialogues, I definitely remember the big bad guy yelling at you like a saturday morning cartoon villain during the final chapter. So in summary, while I recommand both games (however, I very strongly advise using the free fan made Revision mod for the original), I found Human Revolution better than expected and Deus Ex one not that great.
You're opinion on trans-humanism is really under-developed, people who have thing's like glasses, phones and watches don't augment themsleves, like, well augments, they don't make you fare inherently better than other people, glasses make you see just as well as regular people, phones help pass the time and comunictae quicker, and watches help you tell the exact time, and all those things are objects practically anyone can get, maybe not a high functioning smart phone but that isn't a trans-human implant. The augments that trans-humanists and pro-humanists talk about are permanent inorganic modifications to the human form in a effort and superiority. So not a fake leg fore someone whos lost theirs, but legs that allow you to jump from 100 feet without taking anydamage, not glasses that help you see like everyone else, but implanted ones that make you entrinsicly see beyond better, like through walls or something unnatural. Combine that with the fact that a surgical modification to your bodiy has all sorts of ethical ramifications, (as in the richer can afford better implants, making them not only monetarily better but physically, mentally and inherently as well, which will cause the rich-poor gap already existing in many countries to become even bigger, and huge class discrepancies is a leading cause of socieital collapse), how much would these things cost anyway? So much that again, only the richest can afford. Which the way the working classes are already treated currently can only end in disaster as stated prior, imagine walking into work after barely making it out of the recent slew of job and pay cuts but seeing you're boss walk in with new shining gold robo arms and imagine who infuriated an entire country would feel. Plus gangs who manage to gather large amounts of money could afford insane modifications. Do you wan't ultra-violent gang bangers busting through walls and mowing down anybody in site with built in machine guns? And what if they are super cheap, than everyone will walk around being the same, with the same exact capabilities, which reminds me of that elementary school tale of Harrison Bergeron. Flaws and strengths are what make the world go around, what make us human. There is a reason why this is a still constantly debated topic. Personally, I think the extent should be superficial things like phones or even things like google glass, having either wouldn't change much of anything, and that robotic help could be used as opposed to making us robots. My issue isn't you're position on the argument, but you're horrid reasoning, and then acting like it's such a simple decision.
Or maybe he was just making a quick 10 seconds joke and only focus on the core of the review aka the bloody gameplay. This is Zero Punctuation, not Extra Credit. If you don't understand the man's style of humor, don't make a fuss about it.
Clint Webb Contradicting myself? Yeah, prove it idiot. It's easy to just say I'm contradicting myself without any proof, and like qan2211 said, yahtzee was the one making a quick, unfounded statement and I just over reacted. There is no contradiction, nice try though, and grammar? Seriously? That's something people who are lo\sing arguments hark on. Well nice try trying to bag on my grammar before the argument even begins, but my grammar is just fine. Please go elsewhere.
Your grammar is far from fine, mate. I've seen my share of the internet and gradually you learn to hash out the dipshits. You're one of those. Debating you would be pointless and I made a mistake by reacting to you at all. Nothing good will come of this. I've nor the time nor the mood to point out every single flaw in that ridiculous text you wrote, not to mention your dumbass reply. Feel free to whine some more, I won't be responding again.
Clint Webb Oh how clever you must feel, again, you fail to even mention ONE major flaw in my grammar or my argument, and try to cover up that fact under the pretense of me being a dipshit. You're right though, nothing good would come of this, just your embarrassment and my frustration, please, don't respond to this anymore, if not for your sake.
Funny that we now live in a world where an equally British sounding games analyst made a 3+ hour long video about this game. Around 40 minutes of which is dedicated to why the hacking minigame is actually bullshit.
I think Yahtzee's view of the original Deus Ex is a little full of shit. Yes it had more options and more "depth"on paper and larger outdoor environments than DE:HR, but it is not WAY shorter, HR clocked in at around 25 hours with the majority of side quests while I finished the orginal deus ex on steam in 26 hours. An hour difference... Also, while he preaches about the depth of the original; the gameplay was stupidly unbalanced and borderline broken, favouring cheap tactics and exploitation of dog shit AI over any sort of complex tactic. I got through the majority of the original Deus Ex slashing everything with that laughably overpowered energy sword thing because the guns were so fucking poorly designed that they were next to useless even after leveling up your weapon abilities, and stealth was a complete mess missing all sorts of necessary information and feedback. DE:HR has fully functional, and actually enjoyable, gunplay, stealth and hacking, and encourages an interplay and experimentation with all of the gameplay styles; so while there are definitely less options, you are more likely to use them all, and they are all well executed enough to be worthwhile, which is not even close to true about DEUS EX, even if we're talking when it was released. I loved the first Deus Ex as much as anybody but lets be real and not just hipster, nostalgic british misanthropes who degrades everything that doesn't make him feel like he's in his 20's again, reliving the glory years of PC gaming. Only thing I really I agree on is that the boss fights are shit and the endings are weak, and even then; the Boss fights are even worse in the original, I got through almost all of those with cloak, energy sword, rinse & repeat. And the story in the original was a laughably poorly written joke, with even worse voice acting, by those standards HR is like Citizen Kane. Overall, I think DE:HR really captures the spirit and cyberpunk atmosphere of the original, and in a lot of ways actually outdoes it, especially in the story.
I'm somewhat excited to see how Deus Ex: HR Director's Cut turns out. The majority of stuff people complained about (like the boss fights) are being improved.
I'd argue the cover mechanics enhance the stealth in Human Revolution. Why? Because it makes seeing where the enemy is while you are sneaking around in cover a lot easier without having to risk peeking over cover and getting spotted by a guard because they spotted a few strands of your hair from fifty feet away.
true, but denton was also a special military agent, and even if he was only trained in small firearms, there was also room for improvement in each skill, to create a more personal experience for the player All i'm saying is that jensen could have to option to "master" a weapon of his choice, or a skill
You could have his eyes include the HUD, not the glasses, with the display looking like it is moving whenever your eyes move relative to your skill. Surely with all this technology it would be possible to compute which direction Adam's eyes are moving relative to his head and alter the HUD appropriately. This would be how you could have contact lenses with a HUD. But yes, installing sun glasses into his face is probably easier. Plus he can do the CSI:Miami sunglasses move effortlessly.
An early draft of Half-Life had Gordon cast as a weapon researcher, which makes a lot more sense that he'd be good with weapons than a guy trying to guess at atomic particles. My source is the story synopsis doc included with the leaked press release alpha.
3:58 I had the exact same problem in Deus Ex 1. "Oh, all you have is a stealth pistol, a police baton and a prod? Well, I hope you enjoy eating pasma!" I gotta say, I would always keep at least 4 LEMs in my inventory just because I feared I would meet a boss after turning the corner.
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You know, I never thought about the bit with adam's name... that's actually pretty clever!
It wasn't only that only rich could afford the best augments. It was the suppliment drug that all augmented people had to use in order to not have their bodies reject the machinery and how patients at the hospitals were given augments to save their lives.
It's not often I play a game where the first boss fight is harder than the final one. Honestly, your trapped in a large room with turrets on a rotating axis, and since your health regenerates you can just gun down the turrets then there's nothing to stop you from killing the boss. Well, apart from the occasional insane enemy, but its hard to feel challenged when your enemies are practically lemmings that stand still waiting for a complimentary shotgun blast to the rib cage.
While I understand what you are saying with the ex-SWAT part, he did have quite a bit that could hinder his progress. I mean he did have both of his arms taken off and replaced with cybernetic prosthesis, which he would have to learn to use properly. Its said multiple times in the game that he recovered and was back to work much sooner than most people are, so I'll give em a bit of slack.
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I had only played the director's cut so all the bosses could be defeated by hacking and stealth.
I never realized that the original didn't have that.
LarlemMagic I like your profile picture.
Go for the eyes!
Yeah - apparently they had outsourced the boss fights to a 3rd party that didn't realize Deus Ex wasn't just a shoot-em-up or something.
yeah i loved the game but the boss fights were pure cancer. the i think third boss - the guy who looks like he's got no skin was nearly impossible when going for a nonlethal stealth build and having foolishly gotten that 'upgrade' which just makes you lose augmentations
And guess why the re-release changed that up... here's a hint: it rhymes with schmell the schmame schmagain at schmull shmprice.
Before director's cut you could stun gun the bosses to death still, and the first two bosses had turrets and poison gas and stuff you could activate
I love how most of the human augmentation in this video is just represented by someone getting a household appliance tied to their head.
Truly this toaster taped to my temple makes me a god amongst men.
Why the hell is there a egg beater on my crotch?
OH.
It's very interesting that The Director's Cut addresses almost all the issues Yahtzee mentions here!
That's exactly what I thought. And why I bought the directors cut.
+Karn Kaul Exactly, the DLC mission actually makes the story flow much nicer which was surprising to me, but it really does fill in a lot of plot holes.
+Filthy Swine yeah, with that creepy white suit all the women were wearing, I'd have no idea what it was if it wasn't for that mission
Yeah, but that is more a matter of taste than quality; Deus Ex has always been about maximum player agency, performance notwithstanding. And I think thematically that fits better.
+Karn Kaul hey, people take the piss out of mass effect 3s endings without realising that you have to EARN them and that most reviewers rushed throughout the game and only got the crappy one.
Luckily, we have the director's cut now which actually allows for the whole "stealth approach" to be viable in boss fights AND incorporates that near godly DLC that they had. Oh, and it gives you a silenced sniper rifle, something the normal game severely lacked.
Which is still better than the original, but they also included a hacking option to hack the turrets in the ceiling of the 2nd floor.
the boss fight vs namir is still really unbalanced
any difficulty all I have to do is 3 grenades from the grenade launcher and he's dead
The problem with the Director's Cut is that they still had to stick with the base concept, you had to shoot the bosses until they died. The changes gave you variety, but it didn't at all cater to the purists(which is a larger group than you think). The Missing Link's fight was perfect though.
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It's extra-lucky that you had to buy the entire game again at full price to get that, or buy the single chapter they hacked out of it for later sale at roughly half the price of the full game to get its complete story before the "Director's Cut". We're such lucky people.
I like stealth, but i don't like Deux ex:HR's idea of stealth.
In which if a guy spots you, a split second before you instantly take him out, every single man, woman, and child plus their mother instantly knows you're there. :/
***** I thought of that as well, at first. But if you think about it, wouldn't they notice that one guy suddenly disappeared?
KRIMZONMEKANISM also there's the fact that if you just back track 2 corners they'll spend a minute or so looking for you then give up
1300l
And yet this isn't an issue in the later Metal Gear games. You can get spotted and kill whoever saw you before they say anything, and no alert happens. Or if they die as they're calling an alert, it goes to caution and they send someone to investigate. There's no excuse for omniscient telepath guards in a modern stealth game.
shimazu32 precisely my point.
It just pissed me off playing that game, because i just couldn't fuck up for a split second.
1300l Which is why i was so disappointed at the game xD
That and the fact we can't store weapons throughout the game.
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I think that's chiefly because Adam was augmented by a top of the line bio-tech firm where the cyborgs following him are products of the "dark age" that leads up to the original game.
Actually, it's explained somewhere outside of the main games that Gunther Hermann just has a downright insane amount of augmentations, all of which were designed with functionality over appearance.
@@HQ_Default If it's "explained somewhere outside of the main games", it by definition is not part of the game's story. Stories sink or swim by what's in them, not what nervous creators or owners try to patch into them by saying it's "revealed" or "explained" somewhere else.
Fighting Barrett was great fun. Hiding in the vent, watching his grenades bounce off and land at his feet.
"Eat this!!"
*Sound of a grenade bouncing onto the floor, followed by a boom*
"Oh, you wanna fight dirty, do yer?!"
Repeat until cutscene.
+Andy B Or use one of this game's rip off of C4. That kills Barrett in one shot, on Medium at least.
+Andy B If you use the fully upgraded typhoon twice on any difficulty but the hardest, the bosses die. On the hardest, it takes three uses.
+Andy B My initial strategy against Barrett was to throw all the frag grenades I'd been hoarding at him, then follow them up with stun grenades and AP pistol headshots. The second boss I had a hell of a time with, before saying screw it and buying the Typhoon. Although I did later discover the PEPS will stun her long enough for a couple good headshots.
I just hopped into the vent and tossed out this game's equivalent of C4. One or two charges needed to kill him.
+moosemaimer Just finished that invisible bitch off. There's that heavy rifle thingy and a coolant mod somewhere not long before this fight. You just whip it out, point in her general direction when she gets close to you, and hold LMB. It permastunlocks her, then triggers her fallback maneuver, giving you the time to reload. And you don't even have to make a step.
Though in the game the debate really seem to lean toward augmentation being unnatural it really felt to me like the TRUE problem it caused was the heavy relliance on neuropozyne which is quite expensive
Then Human Revolution's fictional politics still make little sense, because that would lead to people demanding subsidized access to clear and unambiguous improvements to their standard of living that have been kept out their reach with a price tag, not people ranting that such improvements are unnatural _because_ they're expensive and should be banned. We know that because that's exactly what happens in our world. Even the kooks who think that vaccinations, etc., are "unnatural" don't think that because they or other people can't afford them.
'The kind of nightmare Philip K. Dick might have while being spooned by H.R. Giger'
that is the most apt description of Deus Ex's ending I have ever heard
Aiden from watch dogs would love a world where everyone has machine parts.
Nikolas Orava "Ok,i'm in" *Later that day in the news report* "A man was running down the street flailing his limbs as he yelled THE HACKERS ARE COMING!THE HACKERS ARE COMING!BY LAND BY LAND!"
Nikolas Orava That would be interesting. Like controlling humans with a cell phone at your own whims.
Glofishes Aug Possess? OMFG THAT WOULD BE A AWESOME AUGG
+Nikke 2800 well if yahtzee is right and he does have the durability of a pringle in a firefight then he could bloody well use the robot arms
he would hack the fuck out of the people
I'm surprised you didn't say the game is more yellow than Zero Punctuation.
haha!!
In the DC commentary they mention that that's why there's so many empty yellow paint cans in the various environments as a sort of in joke
Justified: It's the "Golden" age of cyber augmentations. But meh, Justified doesn't mean good so the Director's cut removed that.
Coming back to this after HBomberGuy just did a retrospective is a trip.
He largely comes away with the same conclusion, in describing it as an essentially "action game with [Immersive sim] elements, rather than an [Immersive Sim] with action elements", though his regard for the original is clearly less overwhelmingly positive than Hbombs.
I feel like it's helpful to remember that at the time (And Hbomb does mention this), DX'HR was a real curveball in the generally bland/mediocre pool of AAA releases, most of which Yahtzee had to play. As such I think his review is pretty fair for the time, even if I personally tend to come away with much the same conclusions as Hbomb nowadays
Human Revolution is a good game today, in 2022.
Never having played it before and having been disappointed by Cyberjunk 2077,
I loved it and 100% it.
Human Revolution's worldbuilding is engaging, the earnest voice acting and scripts come off as credible
(except for Jensen himself), and the story, its questions and their possible answers are far better presented
than anything released in the last five years, also showing how mediocre are the Fortnite times we live in.
Sadly, Mankind Divided was not as good, concise and poignant.
Human Revolution is worth full price.
Mankind Divided is a Buy on Sale affair.
Really poetic when you think about it.
He understood how vast a game it was. Even then. Dude knows his games.
@@vorbo01 Imagine criticising peoples media consumption habits, as if anything anyone watches on youtube is more or less cringe than anything else. It's all cringe and we're all pathetic because we're all here making money for google and there's nothing we can do about it.
Looks like he had a point about how if you fuck up the big things like endings and boss fights no one will notice the level design and story.
I'm not a fan of the "Ending-Tron 3000" But the reason why the endings didn't show you what happened to the world was because there was supposed to be some ambiguity about it to make you think if you made the right choice.
Especially the suicide ending, you have no idea what the world will do, you pulled a Snake Plisken and just let the world do what it wants without being persuaded in any direction. I think it's important that they don't show what happens because that would cheapen the impact.
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Then why have multiple endings at all? Why not just have a canon ending?
That's a botch job though, because none of the endings really give much insight into the man Adam becomes. Plus it's a Deus Ex game, the point of the game IS the world.
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An ending closes an arc. There was no arc closure, it was a misstep of the basics of storytelling. If DE games aren't about the world, why is there so much flavor text? Why is there so much effort put into fleshing it out? The main characters of both games are men who shoulder the burden of affecting how the world is shaped at a crucial turning point in history. The world is directly affected by their actions, and we saw none of it in any HR endings.
Which is a an ending i can respect until it contradicts itself by them making deus ex mankind divided but whatever im sure that game will still be good.
2:11 the vending machine thing was actually how I ghosted most of the missions as the gang would get all upaty if I so much as looked around the corner but where oddly not fussed about the three vending machines that where slowly making there way towards them (also the vending machines are a lot sturdier than you would imagine I mean all 3 of them survived been thrown of the top of a 6 story building, this also didn’t bother the gang just down the street from them I guess the zone is really rough if vending machines been thrown off the top of building is just another Tuesday)
0:37 "What do you mean, 'would I?' I already wear spectacles."
1:24 "They even implant sunglasses directly into his face. I'd like to see them explain to the medical insurance people how that was a necessary procedure."
Sounds like someone's just envious that Adam's specs are cooler than his.
Yahtzee guessed _Human Revolution's_ DLC correctly before his guess in this video: at the time, he was one of the loudest voices arguing that what companies were pushing as DLC was often just a part of the game they withheld until an extra fee was paid by the player. Sure enough, the game leaves out a chapter of its story, which Square Enix promptly announced for sale as new content and actually had the stones to name "The Missing Link".
thanks to this guy i now call the splicers from bioshock the sploisers...
0:45 this is the best answer to every discussion of technological progress...hands down. Watched a lot of sciency and techy videos discussing this issue. I was present in a lot of discussions on the topic with people. And this is the best and most succint argument i've heard so far :)
Funny, the boss fights I've experienced in Deus Ex: HR directors cut, actually DOES have the elements he talked about, or at least the option to hack a turret and so on is THERE, though it's my mandatory for completion, but it certainly offers a variation of taking down a boss, even though they basically still are just tougher soldiers.
Kevin Traberg The way I heard it going down was that the boss fights had to be out scoured to a different studio due to time or budgetary strains. So they weren't privy to the actual process and tone that the rest of the development cycle was working on.
When the "director's cut" came about it obviously had the content the original creators were going for but couldn't meet the initial commercial release.
+Kevin “FortuneCookieBeer” Traberg
Even in the original release you could beat Barret by tossing the gas barrels at him.
+spacegy4 You could also just stand in front of him and stunlock him until he died.
Yeah that's super funny that they convinced chumps to buy the game again for full price by including 1) a chunk of the game they'd ripped out and sold as "new content" DLC, something which Yahtzee spent this entire year making fun of, 2) adding some stuff to boss fights
5:02 We don't need to see what world we've created though. We already can. It's called Deus Ex 1. No matter what choice you make, the world is screwed.
Bonnie1020Production Kind of makes you wonder why they even bothered making the ending multiple choice.
Anthony Clay Illusion of choice?
Maybe it changes Mankind Divided? That then shows how the Illuminati take over. By the way, never played a Deus Ex and I'm just piecing together what I know.
+Batman well if you do you'll notice right off the bat that Augs have been strictly regulated. You barely run into any civilian that has them or read about people who do. Most folks who are auged that you encounter are either ex-military or from wealthy families.
So I believe that in MD we're going to start seeing tight restrictions in place on human augmentations and it's going to be pretty difficult for folks to get them.
BTW if you do play the game I recommend using the revision mod on steam now. I've been through it more times than I can remember and I recite a lot of the game by memory and revision is just gorgeous.
This is exactly the reason why I don't understand why the devs keep harping on about multiple endings for Mankind Divided. I mean who cares, everything you do will lead to JC killing a bunch of dudes while spouting cheesy one liners anyway :D
In the defense of Human Revolution, the Director's Cut did fix the boss fights. yes, they still die, but you end up with more ways to take them out. As for the ending, they had more games planned so they left it kind of open ended. Also, as for the weapons training thing. Adam was ex swat. If he didn't know how to operate most guns, I'd consider him a failure.
And JC Denton was a highly trained police officer with nano-augmentations. Why did his aim with the pistol still kind of blow (despite "Trained" skill right at the start), his melee skill was piss poor, et cetera? I don't think there's a good explanation as to how Adam can wield pistols, assault rifles, shotguns, sniper rifles, grenades, and heavy weaponry all equally well with no RPG-style training required. I doubt SWAT taught him how to effectively wield miniguns and rocket launchers...
TankCommander451 i've never fired a minigun or a rocket launcher so I can't say how similar or different they are to firing a rifle. but i can't imagine he would be lacking in training of pistols, shotguns, or rifles. and grenades are easy enough to use provided you can throw where you're aiming lol
It's not about them having planned sequels, we didn't need a "glimpse of the world our choice created" because that world is Deus Ex. Did this guy forget this was a prequel when he complained about the ending? It's like complaining that the end of Revenge of the Sith doesn't tell you what's going to happen with Darth Vader.
Dreadjaws true but i expect more from an ending of a game i've just sunk 40+ hours into than here is something we made in windows movie maker 5 minutes before deadline.
connor2964
did you guys see the post credits scene? Sure your choice is meaningless but it does link to deus ex 1 a lot.
The end of this video is directly applicable to Mass Effect 3
The classism angle is apparently completely lost on Yahtzee, I guess. They made it pretty clear that most of the humans getting left in the dust weren't doing it by choice, they were doing it because they couldn't afford it so now how skilled and successful you are in life is now directly linked to your (or, rather, your parent's) bank account.
So basically today's classism.
Scorecatron exactly.
+Brian Jensen
If that's really what the developers were going for, they failed to convey it when they made the games most promonent opponent to human augmentation a rich white man.
+ZShogan And worst of all, his core reason for it seems to mainly revolve around him, holding a great big "Suck like me!" sign.
+Brian Jensen i agree completely, but he misses the point that the classism is not just prevalent on the game. he gives the example of wearing glasses, and depending on where do you live, those too can be prohibitely expensive and here we're talking about a very basic need
3:51 Funnily enough, In the Missing Link DLC, I just sneaked into the conveniently placed, out of reach computer terminal (not before stunning some pesky snipers) and just set the robot and turrets to start redecorating the boss room with bullet holes. Then I spent the rest of the DLC feeling like this skill upgrade was actually useful and wasn't only needed once in the entire game.
The funny thing about this game now, as I understand it, is that in the Directors Cut version, they in fact made the boss fights more friendly towards stealth players. I have been playing the game more recently and have actually gotten somewhere in the story, and it seems that the stealth mechanics have become more refined in Deus Ex Human Revolution DC ( I had the original played it for a bit, found out about the DC version and have been catching up to where I had left off).
Yep, all the boss fights are now doable for non-combat play styles. You still kill the boss, just not directly. First major boss you can run away from, hack into a security room and activate a bunch of turrets that riddle him with bullets instead. Which is nice.
However, I am hoping that a future title allows for non-violent resolutions to boss battles. A bit like with the first 'boss' in the factory who you can talk down rather then kill.
Or you can just get the explosive rounds upgrade for the revolver and down every boss pretty much instantly.
+Michael Hollamon (Ragnellrok) its not just that its also that you have two energy bars now but they charge slower, which makes the game more about planning ahead then dissapearing
+andromidius thats the directors cut, the the version he reviewed
I'll always remember my impression of "Typhoon" argumentation, a grenade attached to the spring that's hidden in chest and release a load with loud BOINK and after each shot needed to be manually crammed back into the rib cage.
honestly the dialog puzzles where cool. I wish the game would have given you the option to talk your way out of boss encounters.
I actually have to remember that the final boss of HR is that freaky biocomputer thing, and not the final verbal confrontation with the old dude who basically invented augmentation.
That would require you to know 3 of the 4 bosses as characters before you meet them.
Hey now, DX1's non-lethal options were pretty damn strong IMO! True, the tranq crossbow does make people run around like headless chickens for awhile before they drop but they do ALWAYS drop which is useful when your gun skills still suck. Also the riot prod is straight up OP; you can instantly knock out or at least stun an enemy even with no skill points spent and you can do it without alerting even people right next to them. You can even use it on MiBs and commandos if you do it right. Gas grenades are also extremely strong!
i think zero should have a completely uncut play through of the next fallout game. i want to see what kind of fucking crazy hilarious shit he does.
Ben does do let's plays, but it's mostly old games. His commentary is hilarious. It's worth a watch. Look up "yahtzee19."
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That joke pleases me.
Living in a world of augmentations would be amazing, especially neural augments.
+VGMajor We are getting closer and closer to it.
0:40 I’m disabled can only stand up long enough to just about make a cup of tea and I’m in pain 24/7 and that’s while been on the highest level of painkillers they give to people unless they have the big C so would I augment my body hell yes I need a new spine and a new nervous system and there both borked.
Also I’ve started getting twitchy arms and legs when I try to sleep which is so much fun you just have to try it :(
I prefer a game where the path you choose leads you to a certain ending it adds replay value like Fallout New Vegas did, In a game where in the end it doesn't even matter what you did and they just give you a selection of different endings. i.e. the three buttons in Deus Ex Human Revolution, or the choose your color ending in Mass Effect 3 you just load your last saved file push a different button and that's it. I'll have to take point's for that.
I'm not sure if it's diffrent, but I got the directors cut, and in boss fights you can sneak around, hack turrets, climb high etc. though I it is easy to miss, hacking was hard to find, but could Yahtzee have missed them?
They changed it in the DC
+xmosphere hopefully it's like that in the new one.
it was a problem in the original game that stealthy playthroughs were essentially screwed with the box fights, so the DC version added stealthy methods of winning
I remember seeing someone in the missing link DLC sneak right around everything and just stabbing the final boss. Satisfying
Oh my god, you mean they added melee????????
To be fair about Adam being skilled with guns.(till you get to that big ass laser gun you get) Adam was a swat captain so he’s been trained to handle different firearms
“Ending-Tron 3000” should be the name of the relevant trope on Tv Tropes. If there isn’t a strictly relevant trope (unlikely), there should be. It’s a decent name for it.
I 100% agree with this review. It's the reason why I was so baffled by the reactions to the ME3 ending. Where was the outrage to this game?
0:44
Yahtzee just described the original Rainbow Six novel. He is probably good enough to make this a series.
3:08 Was that the Shock Rifle from UT3?
'They even implanted sunglasses DI-rectly into his face' XD
It has its flaws but I sill love this game. I initially hated how the endings were handled, but I've grown to like it since they made me think. Let the truth of what happened be known.
ISeenACar87 well now none of the endings to human revolution are canon so its all good
ISeenACar87 i liked them too for how well written the monologues were. Regardless of what choice you think is right, each one is pretty convincing and thought-provoking.
With name like dues ex, what were you expecting the ending to be like?
*Slow Claps* verrrry clever
as clever as a slow clap followed by sarcastic remark.
I loved the endings, they all had a message and they were serious and mindful. I loved it!
In regards to the boss fights and how they should be handled, I have only two words: Flatlander Woman.
How did you know-?
A large part of the plot was that not only could people get augmentations by choice, but when injured or hospitalized, augmentations were put in when deemed necessary by the surgeons (for survival, or to maintain the same quality of life). This then caused a dependency on pharmaceutical remedies to keep the body from rejecting the augments. In short, it seemed to be a big finger pointer at the medical and pharmaceutical industries that don't cure things, just treat them for millions of dollars.
1:24 The glasses served as his HUD. and in my opinion they looked cool :/
Incorrect. The HUD is built into his eye prosthesis.
Yeah, I completely agree. I'm not even sure what they did, or what they were thinking to cause such a quality drop in something that simple yet still be able to pull off what you mentioned.
Director's Cut looks beautiful, the character clothing/faces don't look like ass now.
The boss fights are challenging and rewarding, it really makes Deus Ex that game I wanted but now can enjoy fully. Imho, Director's Cut is literally the best video game I've played in a long time.
once I got the hang of it the humble stun gun was probably my second most used weapon. it takes down the armored mooks in one shot, stuns anything electronic, and quiet as a whisper.
directs cut is a bit better...
Only in the boss fights, and only due to the DLC inclusion. Besides that it's no different.
It's still dumbed down compared to DX1 (though not as badly as IW), and you can't really specialize. Also, you can going back to loot all the other paths in the same run through the game means that I never needed to replay the game as much as I did DX1. I saw pretty much everything on the first run through.
In the first mission, the first room I walked into, I grabbed a cardboard box and threw it into a swat team member who was going to help me, then everyone within a 20 mile radius shot at me with machine guns. It made me laugh so hard that I rolled my chair over.
I honestly couldnt finish this game because i just finished Dishonored before starting this one, a game wich i enjoyed infinitely more because the gameplay was much more intuitive and gave me more options from the start.
I don't get Dishonored. Then again first-person stealth games just doesn't work for me. You have no overview at all.
That's probably because Harvey Smith Co-Directed Dishonored & was Lead Designer on the original Deus Ex.
+darkrage6 And also stealth is easy and boring 'cause you just warp away from enemies 99% of the time
I loved DXHR and I'm looking forward to playing the Director's Cut. As a stealth aficionado, I appreciate the enemy's ability to revive their temporarily unconscious comrades. Makes it more difficult in many cases, but it also can allow you to bring the enemies to a predetermined location over the sleeping body. Then you can use the UR-DED to blow up the lot of them!
I really like this game. It's well-written, the stealth is fun, there's multiple ways to pull things off, and if I get really bored I can stand against the wall and do the Safety Dance.
I have two words for anyone who has ever had a problem with any of the boss fights: Frag Mines.
Seriously you can stealth the entire game with just these in your inventory.
You can add the revolver with explosive rounds to that list as well.
I don't get it? Why would you need to know what happens to the world after Adam makes his choice. When you already do know what happens. Hence Human Revolution being a prequel.
The main thing I liked that was brought up about the conflict between machine heads and ludites was the idea that only the rich could truly afford them. If everyone with more money than you can suddenly make themselves just as smart or smarter than you how is anyone supposed to pull themselves up on their own. It replaces talent and merit with money and basically creates a physical distinction between people with money and people without it. There's a side quest that addresses it really well.
I can never understand if he likes a game or not, anyone know if he likes this or the first?
Does it matter? A proper critique is not about giving a solid yes/no answer it's about giving a complex 'opinion' on a work of art. The yes/no way of 'reviewing' is a commercial creation that no one should put any stock in at all.
Izaak Alexia I wasn't meaning to bash on him at all I was just asking if he likes the game or not.
Yahtzee's's mato is to be exceptionally harsh on games that aren't exceptional. If he rails on the thing, it's either very bad or a game that he found to be very boring (i.e. if you have similar tastes to him as far as games go, you probably won't enjoy the title. If your tastes differ, then it is either a good game in a genre he hates or a bad game overall), If you can't tell, he usually means the game is good enough that if you had an interest in it, it may be worth a second look. If he praises it, it means its a great game that fits him perfectly (i.e. if you like the game he does, you will love the game, and if you don't, you should do a little more digging to see if it fits you) . Hopefully this guide is useful....
Also keep in mind this is more of a punditry show then a review show. It's suppose to be funny, entertaining, and overly harsh. Not necessarily a great buyers guide.
He seems to like it, despite two big gripes of boss fights and endingtron-2000
He says it just gets steadily worse.
4:43 Why do I have a feeling he was also thinking about Mass Effect 3's ending when he talked about this?
Human revolution has fucking 100% health regen when you hide behind cover! It makes stealth gameplay too easy even on high difficulty, and ruins the old style hp system, and before you say I'm just living off nostalgia I am 17 years old and I played the new one first!
I fell in love with it near the end when I found out it could stun security devices, and take down the heavey mooks in one shot. but yes takedowns are OP
So you're saying that the ending of Deus Ex is a Deus Ex Machina? No shit?
ahhh, like mass effect 3...sigh (well, i least you can save just before the big decision and have 3 ending in one sitting, have 3 achievements and 1 big dissapointment)
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It's four endings and a slightly smaller disappointment nowadays.
Lewtable I enjoyed the ending. It was totally unique and thought provoking which is what the game was meant to be I think.
Perry Davis Cant' disagree there. I guess its just sort of... Lackluster? I guess?
It gives that griping feeling off "WHAT HAPPENED NEXT?!"
It gave the conclusion of the whole subject, but it didn't bother to touch down on the characters that you grew to know and like.
Lewtable They have just announced Deus Ex: Universe a month or so ago. The story will continue. Don't worry about that :) Whether that was the initial plan or not, who knows?
Probably the best deal I ever got for a game. I bought it and the original in a Steam sale a few years ago, and played through both just recently. They are that special kind of good in a video game that sticks with you for months.
Hell Mage Half Life doesn't even compare to Deus Ex in quality, gameplay or depth.
EverythingReviewer99 I've played all of the Half Life games to completion and I still don't like any of them. And I also like gameplay over story. I do love me some retro 90s shooters, but I still prefer Deus Ex over Half Life.
Anyone else here from hbomberguy’s video?
3:55 the directors cut fixed that problem and literally did the things you said for
the first boss
Way late to the party. I love how everyone is dog piling on the ending of the game, when that's exactly the same way the original Deus Ex ended. One big dungeon level with three final tasks to choose from. Pick one to finish and you get a 30 second cut scene with your chosen faction that tells a little about how they intend to go forward from there in rebuilding the world. That's it, and yet people have their nostalgia (myself included).
I find cover system a great addition because it enhances both combat and stealth. It's especially helpful in steath as I no longer have to rely on that gimmicky peeking mechanic from DX1. And it also helps you plan your actions better.
I didn't like HR stealth. One screw up and every enemy within a mile knows your exact position.
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That isn't being difficult. It is just bad AI.
+PonzooonTheGreat Really? I found myself luring enemies out one-by-one and insta-ragdolling them with a single button for pretty much the entirety of the game. It was actually pretty easy, I thought.
Cassuis Augustus Cornelius Mc'Lettuce Yeah, it wasn't hard (pre animated insta-kills/insta-knockouts were dumb imo) but if a guard spots you properly for even a split second the alarm goes off somehow and everyone pinpoints you.
PonzooonTheGreat Oh yeah single button take downs were ridiculous. Maybe I just haven't played enough stealth games to know what really good stealth feels like.
Plus Black Mesa is vaguely implied to be a military facility, and HEV training includes a weapons range.
Having played the original and this, I say the original beats it barely. The gameplay is far superior in this game and the AI is wayyyy better in HR, but story of the original is better and honestly, I think hacking in HR is OP. In the original, lock picks and multi tools are scarce, which makes looking for codes actually important. I like that better.
Just beat it. Been putting this video off for... well, 4 years, because I knew it was a game I wanted to play. Really enjoyed it, and I'm typically mercilessly picky with my RPGs.
Same here :)
This is so accurate. I can't stand how shallow this game was, yet it is called 'a masterpiece' over and over again.
I think people are trying to overthink the plot and comparing it too much to the original Deus Ex. The original developers for that game said they were excited for what Eidos Montreal had done with the Deus Ex series. Human augmentation is a very recent topic and you can see why it aligned with so many people's wavelengths, even if it didn't for others. I'm glad they took time to make a worthwhile game, even if claiming that "Oh the game is just better because it's older" is a mainstream thing amongst old school gamers. I like both the games equally as they had strengths in completely different areas and I'm still pretty hyped for MD.
All the flaws he pointed out here are major flaws, especially plot-wise. Human Revolution is poorly writen not only compred to original game, but also in general (random bosses we don't know anything about, shitty ending choice and Adam's rant about environment, etc.). It might try to touch on important social issues, and even tho it fails misserably (it's so fu**ing shallow), people still apreciate it, sadly.
+BlueShit199 are you serious Deus ex suck I fuckin hate it's innovation is the reason it's outdated Deus ex human revolution for life
Cypher160 Stop trolling.
+Too_Funny I'm not dude I just don't see it as a good game it's innovated but by today's standards it's bad and overcomplicates things that should be simple
Haven't finished the game yet, and while I definitely agree with all the boss fight points (Even in the Director's Cut), I don't think I could say that Deus Ex one is significantly deeper that Human Revolution. On one hand, because I found Human Revolution a bit more nuanced than what he said (despite Yathzee being ok with augmentations (as I am), one look outside the window is enough to make me think "Yeah, some people are probably gonna yell on this one"). Plus, even if some upgrade are kinda useless, there are enough good ones to make experience points feel like rewards, and encourage you to explore, which is all one could ask for. On the other hand, I don't think Deus Ex one deserves a lot of praise for it's length or depth. Granted, it took me 50 hours to finish my first run, which is impressive, but if I had been given the director's cut, I would have went into it with a hacksaw and removed at least 10 hours. 10 hours of going through boring industrial buildings, basements or the catacombs of Paris. And it's not like your Dark Souls, where the awful catacombs levels are here to make Anor Londo or Irythill even cooler by comparison. It's just padding out. Also, while I don't remember character referencing philosophical concepts in the dialogues, I definitely remember the big bad guy yelling at you like a saturday morning cartoon villain during the final chapter. So in summary, while I recommand both games (however, I very strongly advise using the free fan made Revision mod for the original), I found Human Revolution better than expected and Deus Ex one not that great.
You're opinion on trans-humanism is really under-developed, people who have thing's like glasses, phones and watches don't augment themsleves, like, well augments, they don't make you fare inherently better than other people, glasses make you see just as well as regular people, phones help pass the time and comunictae quicker, and watches help you tell the exact time, and all those things are objects practically anyone can get, maybe not a high functioning smart phone but that isn't a trans-human implant. The augments that trans-humanists and pro-humanists talk about are permanent inorganic modifications to the human form in a effort and superiority. So not a fake leg fore someone whos lost theirs, but legs that allow you to jump from 100 feet without taking anydamage, not glasses that help you see like everyone else, but implanted ones that make you entrinsicly see beyond better, like through walls or something unnatural. Combine that with the fact that a surgical modification to your bodiy has all sorts of ethical ramifications, (as in the richer can afford better implants, making them not only monetarily better but physically, mentally and inherently as well, which will cause the rich-poor gap already existing in many countries to become even bigger, and huge class discrepancies is a leading cause of socieital collapse), how much would these things cost anyway? So much that again, only the richest can afford. Which the way the working classes are already treated currently can only end in disaster as stated prior, imagine walking into work after barely making it out of the recent slew of job and pay cuts but seeing you're boss walk in with new shining gold robo arms and imagine who infuriated an entire country would feel. Plus gangs who manage to gather large amounts of money could afford insane modifications. Do you wan't ultra-violent gang bangers busting through walls and mowing down anybody in site with built in machine guns? And what if they are super cheap, than everyone will walk around being the same, with the same exact capabilities, which reminds me of that elementary school tale of Harrison Bergeron. Flaws and strengths are what make the world go around, what make us human. There is a reason why this is a still constantly debated topic. Personally, I think the extent should be superficial things like phones or even things like google glass, having either wouldn't change much of anything, and that robotic help could be used as opposed to making us robots. My issue isn't you're position on the argument, but you're horrid reasoning, and then acting like it's such a simple decision.
Or maybe he was just making a quick 10 seconds joke and only focus on the core of the review aka the bloody gameplay. This is Zero Punctuation, not Extra Credit.
If you don't understand the man's style of humor, don't make a fuss about it.
You're contradicting yourself and your grammar is horrible. You should think about augmenting your brain. Talk about horrid reasoning.
Clint Webb Contradicting myself? Yeah, prove it idiot. It's easy to just say I'm contradicting myself without any proof, and like qan2211 said, yahtzee was the one making a quick, unfounded statement and I just over reacted. There is no contradiction, nice try though, and grammar? Seriously? That's something people who are lo\sing arguments hark on. Well nice try trying to bag on my grammar before the argument even begins, but my grammar is just fine. Please go elsewhere.
Your grammar is far from fine, mate. I've seen my share of the internet and gradually you learn to hash out the dipshits. You're one of those. Debating you would be pointless and I made a mistake by reacting to you at all. Nothing good will come of this. I've nor the time nor the mood to point out every single flaw in that ridiculous text you wrote, not to mention your dumbass reply. Feel free to whine some more, I won't be responding again.
Clint Webb Oh how clever you must feel, again, you fail to even mention ONE major flaw in my grammar or my argument, and try to cover up that fact under the pretense of me being a dipshit. You're right though, nothing good would come of this, just your embarrassment and my frustration, please, don't respond to this anymore, if not for your sake.
Funny that we now live in a world where an equally British sounding games analyst made a 3+ hour long video about this game. Around 40 minutes of which is dedicated to why the hacking minigame is actually bullshit.
I think Yahtzee's view of the original Deus Ex is a little full of shit. Yes it had more options and more "depth"on paper and larger outdoor environments than DE:HR, but it is not WAY shorter, HR clocked in at around 25 hours with the majority of side quests while I finished the orginal deus ex on steam in 26 hours. An hour difference... Also, while he preaches about the depth of the original; the gameplay was stupidly unbalanced and borderline broken, favouring cheap tactics and exploitation of dog shit AI over any sort of complex tactic. I got through the majority of the original Deus Ex slashing everything with that laughably overpowered energy sword thing because the guns were so fucking poorly designed that they were next to useless even after leveling up your weapon abilities, and stealth was a complete mess missing all sorts of necessary information and feedback. DE:HR has fully functional, and actually enjoyable, gunplay, stealth and hacking, and encourages an interplay and experimentation with all of the gameplay styles; so while there are definitely less options, you are more likely to use them all, and they are all well executed enough to be worthwhile, which is not even close to true about DEUS EX, even if we're talking when it was released. I loved the first Deus Ex as much as anybody but lets be real and not just hipster, nostalgic british misanthropes who degrades everything that doesn't make him feel like he's in his 20's again, reliving the glory years of PC gaming. Only thing I really I agree on is that the boss fights are shit and the endings are weak, and even then; the Boss fights are even worse in the original, I got through almost all of those with cloak, energy sword, rinse & repeat. And the story in the original was a laughably poorly written joke, with even worse voice acting, by those standards HR is like Citizen Kane. Overall, I think DE:HR really captures the spirit and cyberpunk atmosphere of the original, and in a lot of ways actually outdoes it, especially in the story.
the ending sums up mass affect 3 quite nicely.
the way he described the ending reminds me of mass effect 3's ending
Published on Mar 7, 2012 quality @ 360p
Why!? Just why!? Since November 2008, 720p was already available!
I love how he shares my exact view on the ending....
Oh, hello there Legion. Nice seeing you there.
the DLC joke at the end was brilliant lol
4:50 No, three buttons plus one off to the side that you have to walk a little bit to get to.
I'm somewhat excited to see how Deus Ex: HR Director's Cut turns out. The majority of stuff people complained about (like the boss fights) are being improved.
FYI you can bring a turret into most of the boss fight rooms with you as long as you can carry it.
And 25 years later, it got even further developed and it became the Railgun.
I'd argue the cover mechanics enhance the stealth in Human Revolution. Why? Because it makes seeing where the enemy is while you are sneaking around in cover a lot easier without having to risk peeking over cover and getting spotted by a guard because they spotted a few strands of your hair from fifty feet away.
true, but denton was also a special military agent, and even if he was only trained in small firearms, there was also room for improvement in each skill, to create a more personal experience for the player
All i'm saying is that jensen could have to option to "master" a weapon of his choice, or a skill
You could have his eyes include the HUD, not the glasses, with the display looking like it is moving whenever your eyes move relative to your skill. Surely with all this technology it would be possible to compute which direction Adam's eyes are moving relative to his head and alter the HUD appropriately. This would be how you could have contact lenses with a HUD. But yes, installing sun glasses into his face is probably easier. Plus he can do the CSI:Miami sunglasses move effortlessly.
I have the same first name as Jensen. That shit made the game SO MUCH MORE IMMERSIVE.
So true about the bosses, totally got screwed by the first boss because I was going 100% non lethal and stealth approach until that point.
Man, Yahtzee predicted the EndingTron too. He is a soothsayer of Video Games Yet to Come.
An early draft of Half-Life had Gordon cast as a weapon researcher, which makes a lot more sense that he'd be good with weapons than a guy trying to guess at atomic particles.
My source is the story synopsis doc included with the leaked press release alpha.
3:58
I had the exact same problem in Deus Ex 1.
"Oh, all you have is a stealth pistol, a police baton and a prod? Well, I hope you enjoy eating pasma!"
I gotta say, I would always keep at least 4 LEMs in my inventory just because I feared I would meet a boss after turning the corner.
You know, I never thought about the bit with adam's name... that's actually pretty clever!
It wasn't only that only rich could afford the best augments. It was the suppliment drug that all augmented people had to use in order to not have their bodies reject the machinery and how patients at the hospitals were given augments to save their lives.
It's not often I play a game where the first boss fight is harder than the final one. Honestly, your trapped in a large room with turrets on a rotating axis, and since your health regenerates you can just gun down the turrets then there's nothing to stop you from killing the boss. Well, apart from the occasional insane enemy, but its hard to feel challenged when your enemies are practically lemmings that stand still waiting for a complimentary shotgun blast to the rib cage.
great point, Gordon! I couldn't have said it better myself.
While I understand what you are saying with the ex-SWAT part, he did have quite a bit that could hinder his progress. I mean he did have both of his arms taken off and replaced with cybernetic prosthesis, which he would have to learn to use properly. Its said multiple times in the game that he recovered and was back to work much sooner than most people are, so I'll give em a bit of slack.
@archiejamvids they take a week. They are released every week on the escapist magazine website. These are old re-releases.
I look forward to a day when I too can have ocean liner pistons for forearms.