A Great Trick to Make PTO Hookup Easier
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- Опубліковано 7 лют 2018
- This goes in the category of "Why did I never think of this?". It's really tough sometimes, especially with heavier shafts, to get the PTO, or power take off shaft, attached to the tractor. The problem is, while you can see the splines on the little stub shaft that comes out of the tractor, you can't see where they are inside the yoke on the PTO of the implement. Mike, one of my viewers, submitted the idea of marking with a paint pencil where those splines are. It makes it a WHOLE LOT EASIER to get the dumb PTO on the tractor!
Some yokes are easier to mark than others. On one that has a little shaft through it that you press in, and the rest of the yoke is fixed, just draw where the splines are and you're done. If the yoke attaches by pulling back, or twisting a collar, you have to make the marks on the fixed part under the collar. That takes a little bit of work, but it'll be a time saver in the end.
Once the shaft is marked, you can easily know where the splines are on the inside of the yoke and align them with the splines on the tractor part and save a lot of trying to rotate the shaft until you feel it "seat" itself. Since most of the time you're trapped in a tight and awkward area between the tractor and the implement, it can make the job much quicker and easier. At my age, anything that does that is much appreciated. Thanks Mike for the great idea!!!
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Hey Mike...spent 2 hours trying to hook up my brush cutter yesterday and then gave up. Later I found this great little trick...10 seconds later I was ready to start cutting! Thanks Mike for all your advice!
Now, if you could come up with a way to pull back on the collar while pushing on the shaft while reaching around the 3pt hookup arms. At 67, I'm not as spry or strong as I used to be. Anyway, good idea on the paint pen.
I was struggling with the same and came up with idea you might find helpful. Take a short single strand of 12 gauge electrical wire and hold it in your hand while you pull the collar back. Wrap the exposed part of the collar 3 or 4 times with the wire. This should hold the collar in unlock position while you mount it on the shaft. If you are able to slowly twist the collar on the implement side while pushing the collar on it should line itself up and slip on. Unwind the wire and push the collar forward to lock it.
Mike that trick on painting the splines sounds like a great idea! Yes sometimes you dread changing implements.., Thanks for sharing!
This guy has some great advice.....Love watching and has helped me out with a few tractor issues to date.
Thanks for sharing the video. I like the idea of the "2WD/4WD" written markings
Good advice. I also use a marker to date my filters when they were last changed.
I started putting peel and stick labels on equipment and tools as a reminder. (Tire pressure, oil type/weight, ) It's a Brother printer, they stick well and hold up to the sun. Thanks for you great videos.
Every time I watch one of your videos, I learn something useful!
I used a paint marker to label everything in my garage, to no avail. I still can't remember what I came in for!
Great videos. Keep them coming
Greg Willits, you're not alone.
Thank you Mike; I am learning a lots.
Thanks Mike, keep up the good work.
Great idea! I’ll definitely try this come springtime.
John Deer brush hog PTO hookup is exactly why I'm watching this video!
Thank you for sharing this information with us today.
Great ideas, Mike.
I use a paint pen to mark all of my bolt heads to see if they are still tight. Allows a visual check so I do not have to break out a torque wrench to check. A simple line running from the bolt head onto the tractor gives a great visual reference.
All good ideas & advice as always. Stay safe.
Great video Mike thanks a million brother.
Good tips 👍
Thanks Mike
Great stuff Mike !! Thank you !!! I like to put the tire pressure on each rim . Helps me!!! You all be safe and God bless !!!!!! Eddy
Good idea in big lettering!
Thank you Mike that’s really helpful
Lord that was a great idea, I spend more time hooking up my PTO as I do using it!
Thank you for the tips!
I mark the tire pressures on my tractors also. Saves digging out the manual or trying to stand on your head to read it on the tire.
Hi Mike, I bought an 8n summer before last and the previous owner did something similar... when I opened the top cover to put in gas for the first time I discovered that he had written inside the cover all the fluid types and amounts, the filter types... spark plug types and gaps... firing order... tire pressures.. even what size wrenches to use for things like the drain plugs.
Thank you so much Sir!!
I like to use the paint pen to write the recommended tire pressures right on the rim next to the valve - I do this on all my tractors, lawn mowers, ATV's, etc.
Love it! Great info as always. Lots of uses for a paint pencil 👍🏻
USNERDOC what is a PAINT PENCIL? I use a WHITE OUT, is that the same.
We used them to number the zerks on our combine. That way when we do our annual maintenance we just go down a checklist that we made up and never have to worry about missing any of them.
Thats a great idea or number them so u know u missed one
Great idea!
Excellent idea !
I like the white pen idea as it helps a lot. I was having a heck of a time getting my pto shaft from my rotary mower hooked up to my tractor. Finally, I disconnected the bush hog end, got bungee cords, and suspended both ends to about the same level as the tractor pto stub shaft. The female end of the pto shaft was marked on the outside where the spline ridges were and both connections were greased. Since I no longer had to support the weight of the pto shaft and it was at approximately the same level as the tractor pto stub shaft, it slid on like a dream with hardly any effort. I then hooked up the other end of the pto shaft onto to the bush hog gear box shaft end. Talk about easy! Hopefully, this will help other people and prevent a lot of unneeded physical exertion and colorful language that seems necessary to get a stubborn pto shaft end on.
I tried the paint tip, it worked great! I was able to hook the PTO up without any issues. In fairness, maybe I just got lucky this time, I will be interested in seeing if this keeps working,
Great video!
Great tips!
What a great, simple idea. Maybe that is something the manufacturers should take a look at as well. Thanks, Mike. When we can rid of some of !@#$% snow, I'm gonna give that a try.
Great idea!
I use paint marks using a 3/4” flat washer to mark all the grease fittings on my Kubota backhoe. Works fine.
Great idea.
I put my PTO lever in neutral so that I can freely spin the shaft coming out of the tractor. I then hold the Implement PTO shaft against the tractor shaft and slowly spin the tractor shaft until the two fit together.
Works for me.
I have a 33hp LS hydrostatic (Same as New Holland) and I don’t think the PTO can be put in a neutral position - can it? I can’t spin the PTO which makes hookup of any implement a discouraging chore! Help would be appreciated!
Dale, some tractors have a PTO brake that doesn't allow them to freewheel. If it won't spin when the PTO lever is not engaged, the tractor is likely configured that way. My New Holland is that way and it is frustrating.
@@dalebargen I have a BX2660 and the PTO spins. Unless it is selected. Then it will not spin even if not engaged. I always select the other PTO when hooking up and it makes a world of difference.
It's a really good idea
Nice tip!!!!
Paint pen is a must-have tool. Marking the PTO shaft is a great idea. My problem would be remembering if I marked the indents or the protrusions. :-)
Well, there are only two choices so you stand a pretty good chance of being right the first time or the second.
Sharpie Metalic markers in silver or gold or black also work very well.
I like this tip.
Yep, excellent idea, I'm gonna do that. Thanks to both Mikes'.
Another thing that I do that helps is park the tractor about a foot away from the implement. That gives you much more room to work. Once the pto is hooked up then back up to the lift arms and continue hooking things up. Works for me.
Holy cow thanks
In the military each piece of equipment had a forms bag. It was a waterproof bag that contained the forms which you could check the last maintenance interval on the equipment and sign the equipment inspected for the day so the people behind you would know if the oil had been checked and such each day before use. I’m just thinking, something like that could be useful to write down weights and capacities of fluids and filter numbers and such. Most tractors have a tool box, why not attach it to the roof of the inside of the tool box? You could Put you a paint pen inside of there too! :-)
Good idea. I'm going back to those old tricks. This channel and a few others have been incredibly great resources. Tractor Mike has helped me out a ton regarding the PTO.
I know what I am doing this weekend! Awesome tip :)
Hey mike since its a video of pto maybe a video idea can be about 540 pto and 1000 pto shaft differences idk prob boring idea but sounds good to me id watch lol
Wow. Bonus!
Hi Mike,
Has Kubota and Land Pride stop putting the push pin type PTO connector on ? I requested but still got the pull back type on the last two implements .
It is handy to use a paint pencil or black marker on the oil filter to mark hours and date when the service was done, too.
we do it the same way
I thought I was the only one who did that!
My dad always used a nail to scratch the date on the oil filter. Once it rusted a bit, it was real easy to see.
I'll try that tip for splines. I write all over equipment so i don't have to relearn tricks and procedures. In my face so I can't miss it. sharpies tend to uv fade.
Mike, could you do one on different types of pto shafts for hp differences and things.
Make sure to write the hours on your oil changes Or when you changed the antifreeze
I don't want any one to know, that's confidential.
The PTO for the belly mower is a real pain. For mine anyways it lines up only one way and for some reason was difficult to get it to lock. Had the tractor serviced and went to mow and I hear a rattling sound and the mower spinning down...PTO fell off. Guess the guy doesn't know to pull on the shaft to make sure it doesn't fall off. Now I'm gonna wind up checking that every time it comes back from service.
Great info about paint pen marker. But.. My problem is attaching brush hog to pto tractor. I'm an older petite female and not as strong as I used to be. I have a quick connect on back of tractor so it's a tight fit to get my arms in there to hook up. I've use a bungee cord and have the shaft suspended but not enough muscle to press spring pin and push shaft on. I hate asking a neighbor for help all the time. Any suggestions?
I broke my hands trying to hook up PTO shaft from tiller. The pin was rounded , pointed and extremely difficult to press on. I oiled the pin but not much better. I’m thinking of changing pin out with a spring that has less tension and not pointed. There are collar connectors that seem easier too.
Hooking up the PTO shaft is a problem for me also since I use my easy hitch implement on my tractor. I will try marking my splines on it to make it easier and see if that works.
Mike, is there a that will turn the the stub spline on the tractor while in neutral? Is that possible while in neutral?
Please help me with these problems..
1.What is my PTO power for a 50 Hp tractor??
2.PTO shaft is made up of which material?
3.What are the dimensions of that grove for locking in PTO?
Great idea Mike! However, what seems even better is to obtain a PTO quick connect device, like PTO Link, which eliminates ever having to align the spline or messing with the pull back collar on the PTO shaft. The PTO Link consists of two plate connectors and is installed as a permanent attachment to the tractor and to each implement's PTO shaft. Each plate connection is a male/female universal that takes only seconds to engage for each use. A little pricey at $200 per plate, but I love it! Saves lots of time and frustration. I've searched, but haven't seen your comments on this approach before.
Mark Pickle this is what I was looking for, I knew someone had to have figured out the spline alignment problem. Please who sells it, brand and model? Thank you in advance!
After spending at least a half hour yesterday, I am not as strong and young as I once was, trying to hook up the pto for my brush mower----I would have been happy to spend 200.00. I am going to have to find what you are referring to.
Hey Mike , Great video as always. I could not understand what you said at the end about doing something to be notified when you post a new video. I could not find a bell?
When you hit the "Subscribe" button on a video there should be a bell icon on the right of the subscribe. You may have to unsubscribe and resubscribe to get to it. If you hit the bell it will guide you in how to have UA-cam automatically notify you when new videos are posted or when I do live streaming.
Is there a trick to getting the shaft back into the cutter after a shear bolt breakage? I have been days greasing and working this thing with no results. Help!
With so many people renting minny excavators maybe you could do some tips videos on them.
Here’s another tip. Pull the sleeve hack on the pto shaft then wrap a small zip tie around the shaft to hold the sleeve back. Once the shaft is slid forward onto the tractor, cut or snip free the zip tie and allow the sleeve to spring forward.
Hey Mike,
Thank you for sharing all your great ideas with us and me in particular… Lol. My question is what exactly what brand is that paint pencil or paint marker you have that you like so well? The one I bought washes off and I haven’t even use it for exterior use yet. If you could share that information I’d be most appreciative. There’s no hurry I’m at home until the end of November recovering from surgery. Keep up the good work
Edward, it's a Sharpie brand and I'm pretty sure I found it at Wal Mart: www.walmart.com/ip/Sharpie-Oil-Based-Paint-Marker-Fine-Point-White/21368152.
@@TractorMike thank you! You steered me correctly on the Tekton torque wrench… let’s see how it works and paint pencils
off subject but can anyone tell me what length ripper shanks I need if box blade is 16" deep at the front.
Great idea about marking splines on pto shaft
Mike, I have several questions regarding a PTO overrun connector:
1) What is it?
2) How do I know if it will attach to my PTO shaft?
3) What are advantages/disadvantages of using it?
By the way, the Lube Shuttle grease gun with safeLOCK connector ROCK!
Thanks.
An overrunning clutch is designed for tractors with a PTO drive that's tied into the transmission of the tractor, most notably, Ford 8N's. Without an overrunning clutch, when you're using your brush hog and get to the fence row and want to turn around, when you push in the clutch, the inertia from the blades can propel you forward. The overrunning clutch allows the blades to freewheel without affecting movement of the tractor. On newer tractors you seldom see a transmission-driven PTO (there are a few economy models floating around with it) and so it's not an issue. If you brush hog with an 8N (or older tractor with a similar design) you need an overrunning clutch or you might die. Thanks for the comments on the Lube Shuttle/safeLOCK, they are wonderful products.
I can't get the shaft to turn so that I can line up the splines.
Hi Mike,, I have a JD Baler that has one of those PTO joints that you have to slide the ring back, that releases the balls so you can slide it onto the PTO shaft. Pulling back and trying to push it on the PTO is next to impossible. I have to have some push on the shaft sleeve while I pull back on the locking ring as it’s Big and takes two hands to pull back. It is a poor design, in my opinion. Would have been nice if it would twist and lock when you have it pulled back, but it doesn’t on my Baler. Taking it off is easy but putting it on sure isn’t. Any suggestions?
Dick Kohlstrand , I have the same problem. I’m going to try pulling back the collar and drilling a 1/8 inch hole then put in a pin. It will be all the back when it slides on and then you can remove the pin. Not my idea heard of a fella doing this.
Hey, Mike. I am having a very hard time finding a 7 foot box blade. To start with, can you recommend some manufacturers that make good stuff? I am hearing there are a lot of brands that use thin steel plate that is poor quality to last and do not weigh enough to do the job. I will be using this for my small place and occasional work for neighbors, not for heavy farming or commercial use.
Russ, that's a tough one. First off, 7' blades are a little rare, most sold are 6', but that's too narrow to cut out the tracks of a lot of tractors. Recommending a manufacturer would get me shot :). Most of the majors make at least a couple of grades of box blades. They make an el-cheapo for the person who grades the drive every three years and wants to keep costs down, then most make a medium grade and then one that looks like it ought to go on a bulldozer. You probably want the medium grade, which is what I'd buy. To be totally honest, I don't know what brand I'd get. If shopping, I'd start online first and compare the weights of the different models and call to see who had 7' models in stock. Then I'd hop in the pickup and drive around to the dealers who had them until I found one that was heavier than average and that they wanted to negotiate on and buy that and take it home. I've been out of retail now for over three years and I just don't have any idea about who makes the best mid-grade blade. Figuring all of that out might make a good video. Don't be surprised to see it sometime.
Thanks, Mike. By the way, I finally settled on a Massey Ferguson 150 with 1700 original hours. An interesting cousin of the scraper blade, and box blade is the pond scoop. That just might be cheaper to dig ditches and drag up dirt from the bottom of a shallow pond. Have you used one?
My biggest problem with the connecting the PTO shaft is getting it in the locked position.
Hi Tractor Mike......while digging a hole, my PTO staff disconnected from the post hole digger on the post hole digger end (not the tractor end). Any ideas on how to get it attached again? It doesn't look like a broken bolt.
Watch this: ua-cam.com/video/k0ja3NuvEXI/v-deo.html. There's probably a shear bolt in there, they sometimes shear off smooth and are hard to find. Might check to see if a snap ring is missing to hold the shaft on then the shear pin breaks. E-mail me at mike@asktractormike.com if you're still having problems. Good luck!
Where do you get those paint pencils?
I got my paint pencil at Home Depot welding equipment section
I have been driving a tractor on and off all of my life. One thing I have never been able to perfect is using a box blade to do finishing grading of my driveway. It always ends up somewhat hilly. I have search youtube with no luck as the videos on driveway grading are too basic. Any help?
Paul - the problem is the box blade is on the back of your tractor. Now think of a long Ship / Boat going over a wave. The front (bow) goes up as the back (stern) goes down and vice versa. Now think of a Road Grader from the local highway department; the blade is in the center right? So there is no high or low when going over a hilly spot. Until you mid mount your blade you will be chasing those hills.
Got to www.daveknowshow.com that is the only place I have seen dealing with that problem and how to solve it..It has to going slow and having your 3 point hitch speed control set fast enough, to let your blade drop down fast enough.
It amazes me why so many people have problems hooking up the PTO shaft. It is not near as hard as people make it out to be
Looks like crap but i paint the tire pressure on the rim.. Lots of info on a tire and the pressure is usually hard to find but when i do i make is so i can find it again later.
That's a big pet peeve of mine. The only writing I need on the tire is the size, which I only need when replacing, and the tire pressure which is almost important to find. THE FIRST TIRE MANUFACTURER WHO PUTS THE INFLATION RECOMMENDATION IN BIG WHITE LETTERS ON THE TIRE, YOU HAVE MY UNDYING LOYALTY!!!
Thanks Mike I bought a Paint Pin just to mark my PTO... now if i can just find that pin,,, Something you could add is also painting the other end of the PTO those crazy three sided PTO shafts are a pain to get lined back up again. They have a name but for the life of me I can't remember it. I think they are made by the DAMN corporation cause each time I take the two ends apart to grease it that is what i say when trying to put it back together.
Me too! I write it on every tire rim we have here. Saves a lot of time.
I just switched from Turf tires to commercial tread and had to buy rims for them and noticed the Dealer had written the tire pressure on the rim by the valve stem.
Mike, I have an LS XR3135 H tractor. My question is do all tractors when PTO is disengaged ( mines an electronic PTO switch ), how to get the PTO to FREEWHEEL for easier spline alignment . Mine doesn’t freewheel. Is there some methodology for electrically engaging PTO’s to purposely put them into freewheel “mode” for hookups?
Putting on my roto tiller is three acts of our current congressional administration’s attempts at resolution.
My New Holland TC4o doesn't allow the PTO stub shaft to freewheel. Some PTO's turn when the tractor is off, on many new tractors they don't.
I do this on my car. I put the mileage that the timing belt should be changed right on the cover.
Hi Mike! I just discovered your video and the paint pencil seems like a good idea. But I've never heard of a paint pencil until now, and there's tons of them when googled. So is there something specific I should look for or some brand or model?
Also, the reason I stumbled on your video is that I was looking for how to get the shaft off of the tractor. I've had the bush hog on the tractor for a long time but wanted to swap over to the tiller. But I can't get the shaft off of the PTO. I know it's either a twist to release, or a pull to release, but it's stuck and I cant get it to move, so I don't know which way to go with it. Any thoughts?
Thanks. Greg in TN
No...every one that I've ever seen has been similar. Truth be known, I'd never heard of them until I started working in a dealership. We had to match top links with tractors and used paint pencils to identify which top link went with which tractor. I think you can find them at Wal Mart or anyplace with craft/art/school supplies. I always have one in my toolbox and one in my tractor box.
It is not a problem
Imagine that, writing things down and marking things. Who would have thought! Unparalleled insight! Thank you Captain Obvious!!!
Pto is a pain
My John Deere MX5 is really tough to get on, with lots of verbal grease usually resulting. My wife had a great idea. Pull the 2 halves of the pto apart, then attach pto to tractor w help of sledge hammer on the free end. After it was on, then backing tractor up to slide together the 2 halves of the PTO shaft. Voila. Simple engineering solution without cussing needed. But still annoying design
Regarding your paint pen tip, for anti theft and recovery proof assistance try a UV pen with your info on it. Like contact data on the frame. Case in point, try this...
ua-cam.com/video/LlCK0DFgVmg/v-deo.html
writing down the number to the mobile mechanic? Not being rude but why would you need that if you are going to call yourself " tractor mike", shouldn't you know how to properly diagnose, then repair your own machine? Again, not trying to be rude, just wondering why we should commit to subscribe and watch these if you don't really know that much about tractors. I hope to hear a response, thank you for reading
Nothing personal but that's dumb
I really like the tip about writing the oil type on the implement. :-)