TONGKAT ALI & FADOGIA, Another Supplement Scam? | Jerry Brainum
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- Опубліковано 9 лис 2022
- On this week’s episode of the Escape Your Limits Podcast, our guest was the science editor of Muscle and Fitness magazine, an editor-at-large for Flex magazine, and a regular contributor to Ironman magazine for 28 years. His articles were the only articles read in bodybuilding magazines by 3-time Mr. Olympia champion, Frank Zane. He is the creator of Applied Metabolics, an in-depth newsletter about food supplements; exercise science; steroids, and much more.
Besides his writing, he has been a nutrition consultant for numerous elite, world-class athletes such as Floyd Mayweather Jr, Oscar de La Hoya, and Vassiliy Jirov. He was also a competitive bodybuilder himself and trained alongside Arnold Schwarzenegger at the original Gold’s gym in Venice, California in the 70s.
Today, he spills nothing but the truth about:
• The biggest mistakes most bodybuilders make
• The myths, truths, pros, and cons of steroids
• And how a lot of safe supplements can have deathly effects
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Tongkat doesn’t increase LH. It increases DHEA which can convert to testosterone. I have done bloods before and after and can confirm this and you can also see this in the literature. Sounds like this guy also needs to check his facts. Regarding Fadogia, there are limited studies and the toxicity occurs at crazy doses. I have also done my bloods before and after and this also increases my testosterone. Most of the results from Fadogia are anecdotal, but this doesn’t discredit it, it just means that you should approach with caution. Do your own research and test yourself before and after and you won’t be so easily influenced by clickbait videos.
Huberman wrote "Everyone is different but that LH increase seems very consistent. " ua-cam.com/video/AdZh4kcP2L0/v-deo.html
@@dantwister5106 look at the most recent papers which have come out on this. LH did not increase and I have never seen this increase in my own bloods. Do your own bloods before and after and you will likely see no change in LH.
@@andre.shaw91 No James, Tongkat Ali increases LH, decreases Cortisol in hinders the binding of testosterone to SHBG. That is what it does, precisely. Someone who researched(google the studies, there you'll have your before/after bloodworks) it, will like this comment in approval :)
Fad bio Agrestis works for me
Testicles got bigger
Body hair growing all over the place
That ain’t no placebo.
@@andre.shaw91 Did your estrogen drop? I got terrible knee pain after 3 weeks of Tongkat. I can tell you that it worked great for me until the knee pains. i am guessing one mechanism is aromatase inhibition. my only theory for explaining the knee pain.
As Jerry says, most Doctors know very little about supplements
These are definitely not scams…I have taken them both at the same time. They 100% work.
did you cylce them
@@timratcliff6590 3 days on 1 day off is best for these
You should. Need a good, trusted, tested, and reviewed source tho. I do 1 - 2 month cycles until it stops working which you will feel. Usually like 5-6 weeks for me. I do it on a bulk.
studies are scarce when we talk about natural supplement without large potential for pharmaceutical companies to make money. So lack of studies doesn't necessarily mean anything
Exactly don't forget Rockefeller founded the modern medicine.
I was wise to big farm-uh and their lies years ago. And now, after the last 3 years, it should be obvious to everyone what really drives farm-uh; even at the expense of human lives.
@@21sexy2010 Precisely! you really hit one of my buttons (LOL)! Western medicine has been wrecked ever since.
This stuff really works. I've been taking it for four months now and it gets you jacked.
I now have two domestic charges and a side chick
I'm interested in the side chick
😂
@@rahmannanees yes it will definitely gonna damage your liver. Better to keep dosage under 500 mg per day and take for 5 days and rest for 5 days for no more than 90 days in total, also do lft test every month for safety
This guy is also spewing some misinformation. The study that showed some possible toxicity from Fadogia Agrestis were giving rats the equivalent of 30,000 mg converted to an average body weight of a human male, the recommended dose is 300-600 mg. Also there are more than two studies now, and more for Tongkat Ali. Another difference is that both Fadogia Agrestis and Tongkat Ali are cheap ($20 a month for both) and readily available from many many different supplement companies. These are for people with low T who may want an alternative to delay TRT, not a replacement for anabolic steroids.
Where can I find this information
@@Unknown2double198internet !!!!
its pretty easy to tell. just get blood work done before and after taking tongkat
Lmao, I tested before using and had 450 test now its on 700. Even my balls got bigger and my free test got higher
I'm not claiming to be an expert, but from what I've learned, Tongkat Ali doesn't necessarily increase the amount of testosterone your body creates but rather helps release the testosterone that's binded to SHBG(sex hormone binding globulin). This will increase your free testosterone. A lot of the testosterone your body creates is bound to SHBG, which prevents testosterone from being readily available to muscles.
@@stefanstoic WTF are you talking about sharpness and quickness. We're talking about hypertrophy
This is patently false info. If you are looking to unlock Testosterone from SHBG, take Magnesium and/or Boron.
@@pranjalchaubey It does not increase levels or help producing more hormone. Studies show that it helps to release more into the blood stream that as mentioned is above, so if you have fairly high levels already it won't do anything to you
I’ve had amazing results with both of these products & I’m about as cynical as it gets
What results did you notice?
@@markalejandrox he didn't swallow them properly and got a stiff neck 😜🤷♂️
He used them rectally and it felt good.
What brands do you use
I’ve taken tongkat/fadogia in tandem for 3 months. Levels went from 630 (not bad) to 808. Of course proper dieting, exercise, and sleep but I’ve always done that. Strength increases and stamina increased as well 🤷🏾♂️
How are your nads?
@@bobshenatzky5576 lol normal
You sure it was not the exercise, diet and sleep?
@@kevinblackburn3198I exercise 6 times a week, and started ingesting the combo Fadosia/Tongkat which stimulated virility and the sexual drive commonly seen when testosterone is increased. Although few studies are out, my conclusions align with the positive ones. So I’d say take in moderation like all other supplements
@@kevinblackburn3198 positive. Always worked out. Always slept like a baby and my diet is only iffy. The herbs/roots contributed a lot
Tongkat Ali worked great for me. At 60, I have the energy of a 20 year old. BTW, you need to reduce the cortisol in your body, particularly at night. Cortisol is a killer of T. Also, you need to minimize sugar or simple carb intake as they exhaust a large amount of T after each meal.
This video is sponsored by big pharma those 2 suppluments turned my life around.
I'm startin them next week, can't wait!
I have been taking tongkat for 9 months now and it has exceeded all expectations and more.
My strength is 25% more and dont get me started on my nuts, im like buster gonad and my sex drive is off the charts the wife now has to wear a crash helmet when getting it on and needed a wheelchair for the 1st week, ive smashed 3 headboards and we now onto our 6th crash helmet ( this one has stars and stripes on) as for the hair, i have been bald since 2001 and now i have a pony tail like Steven segal out of NIKO and worried i could end up like chewbaca so im giving it a month off. Everything in moderation i guess.
Would definitely recommend.
Good luck all 😂
I just read this comment out loud to my brother while he was eating. We were in tears, he ran in the other room. Hilarious
😂😂😂
@supe3724 That was the intention. Lifes to serious ha
My beard and all of my overall body hair thickened from taking tongkat ali. Almost much as it did on my last testosterone cycle basically, and it helped me keep the gains in my pct
GREAT INFORMATION 🤜🏼🤛🏼🤝
They both boost test for most people. I've done labs before and after with both. This guy really doesn't know what he's talking about.
What does work then -
Any idea
Pleas 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
5 on and 2 off for Fadogia and it works balls getting fuller means your producing testorone
Havent needed to do 5 days on 2 days off. Consistently on Tungkat Ali and Fadogia Agrestis for a year now and it's been amazingly life changing in so many ways. This video is so ignorant it's hilarious, they're talking out of their ass without knowing anything lol. Take it from an overweight old dude to tell you how things work eh 😂
My balls have grown into massive balls of steel and i'm waking up with a woody every morning like i did when i was in my teens during the 70s. I've gotten to the point where my wife has to shave the body hair off my back & shoulders and my forearm hair is out of control.
@@nimkal have you tried taking a break and if so did you go back to how you where pre use of those herbs? Thanks
@@richardmilliken8705 any other positives worth mentioning, like strength, mental mood etc?
@@markalejandrox never took a break, still taking them. However Derek from MPMD recommends taking a 1 week break after every 30 days. I'll start doing that once I go on TRT. Until then I need it everyday.
Great clip from an awesome interview!
Much appreciated!
There are very recent studies raising doubts on what this guy said about Tongkat moa. It is not clear at this point how Tongkat works, and there could be multiple modes of action. What is clear is that it produces an increase in Testosterone in males. Some males by a lot, some not as much.
What recent studies ?
They do nothing for me, been taking for 2 months now, and does nothing, only thing it has done has giving me anxiety
It’s working wonders for me 💁🏻♂️
Tongkat Ali and many other natural roots have been used for thousands of years in Asia and are part of medicine. So the take of a guy who wrote for mags gushing about steroid addict bodybuilders is kinda laughable.
Sure like most of the things used for thousands of years you only have to look at the healthy population in those countries to see how great those things are and how many people take them regularly
I take tongkat and fadogia and it works wonders.
Both supplements are good I tried and the only best result I saw is libido but also definitely helps in the gym too, Above all I must say if you want good libido and awesome muscles just eat right amount of food good sleep and proper hardcore gym routine.
take my words for someone who never takes gear or BULLSHIT, ever since i started using tangkat ali for 400mg 1 pill a day ive been feeling more hungry and i have more energy ( taking it with a meal 1-2 hours before a workout ) daily and its been working like a charm ! the bottle for 2months only costs 7-10$ and if u read about it u should be taking 30pills then take a break for a week then back on because its more effective like that
I've been taking it for a few weeks I feel great!
How old are u? does it work if ur young?
@@Lovellyoungwolf yes its very effective with time too.. when u take the first 30 then take break and come back its more effective too
@@dddttt8045 29,yes my testosterone is high in general for a natural but this added more
@@warddiabloftw1 thanks! I'm almost on my 30th day. I'll hop off it for a bit then jump back on. Thanks for the info
Huberman did mention the rat studies and talked about the risks. he took these for a period of time with blood tests
great video
Huberman also says to do your own research .
I go based on my own research and blood work. If I need to increase my testosterone, I may try those supplements, but will test the levels after two months. I do test my with vitamin D level regularly and adjust my supplement level.
Interesting what level do you adjust with your Vitamin D , because unless you are taking massive amounts a blood test will show normal , I take 10k IU everyday with K2 for ten years and my blood work shows a good normal level
It’s important to realise that every one reacts differently to different compounds, the guys taking TRT in the steel can’t build muscle everyone’s genetics so different.
Tongkat Ali does not work. Took the most expensive brand for over a year based on Huberman endorsing it on Joe Rogan. and other podcasts. I work out very hard for my age and Im 66yrs old. I really wanted that extra boost. Never really felt anything. The only thing that did go up was my credit card bill. Just had blood work done and my T was down a little from last year and I took more of it this year. I now think Huberman is full of shit.
Your 66 of course your testosterone is going to be shit ! You wanting to get jacked at 66 lol
i've had more success using a bulbine/nettle/ashwaghanda combo than the tongkat/fadogia/ash combo. i've hit as high as 1092 total and 202 free test and many times almost 1000 over 130 free test in my late 40's.
Roids
@@chasecrappell6556 alpha
What are bulbine and nettle? Where can I fine them, or what brand? Doseage, etc?
Dosage ?
This guy needs both of them.
These two products and also turkestrone have worked wonders for me. Just dont be tempted to take more than you need, stick to the daily dose that is required, simple! these guys are misleading and the truth is that these supplements in their true form are a much better option than steroids. Ive had excellent results and feel amazing. Im 54 and have the body of a 30 year old. Good diet and working hard in the gym along with these supplements is very beneficial. Dont be drawn in by the negativity by these guys and do your research and bless you all.
Is talking about Leucine the amino acid?
This guy is jerry brainum ,he used to be a body builder back in the 70s early 80s, he is very knowledgeable on what he talks about he has his on show on UA-cam many people talk to this guy for you guys who don't know him, do your research before you talk bad about a person!
Big OOF on this video. Take them both, be smart and safe.
One more thing you might get fadogia good quality, but Tongkat ali good quality is very difficult to find plus if you find one 100 grams will be around 75 to 90 dollars
@staninjapan9 then product is not good
It is true that hubermann kinda says BS kinda often
Hes basically selling you his own supliments. He's a partner in suppliment company.
This man is a icon
If Tongkat Ali raises DHEA it logical to assume that would predispose men to male pattern baldness?
It hasn't raised my DHEA because i'm not finding any hair in my shower drain and if anything the hair on my head has gotten thicker and my body hair grown like crazy. I take 600mg of Tongia Ali & 600mg of Fadogia Agrestis in the morning and i take my 2nd dose at 2PM. I've been taking it 5 days on & 2 days off for 3 months now and my bench press has gone from 350lb to 405lb. I can now squat 8 reps of 585lb of which i could only do 3 reps before i started taking these supplements from Barlowe's Herbals. My forearms have grown a full inch from 16" to 17" and extremely vascular.
@@richardmilliken8705 This is the first testimony i've heard from an advanced level lifter. I'm only using tongkat and have been for a few weeks, do you recommend to continue using it or to stop after a month?
@@JackSturmanFilms I would combine the Tonkat with 600mg of Fadogia for 5 days on and 2 times off per week for 2 months and with a high protein & low carb diet and minimum sugar consumption combined with working out with the weights every other day for maximum recovery you should see some positive results. The strict diet is key. If you are trying to lose some weight you could add a half hour of cardio to your workout plan every day.
The thing with taking herbs is hit or miss one shoe don’t fit all when it comes to dosages I took tongkat ali 400 mgs by the day six I was feeling tired and groggy layed of it for a week then started every other day 3 times a week and I’m having good results so it depends on the person how they react to these herbs you sure can’t take it like candy these herbs are very powerful less is more a lot of times
@@richardmilliken8705 As someone with male pattern baldness, taking this stuff for 10 months, baldness has progressed about as fast as it already was, but maybe faster. Mine is kind of slow. But yeah there's no hair growing back or thicker with this stuff. Beard may be *marginally* improved.
always so much experience from Old School.. amazing interview
When you say to someone “ I am not jealous”, you definitely are jealous 😂
Tongkat Ali effects the hpta axis and makes the body produce more estrogen.
These would be good for a PCT bridge IMO
This guy Doner know what he is talking about, on top of that I am not taking heath advise from someone in his condition
I've been taking tongkat ali and raw onion. I feel great.
Huberman ain't no fool.
Leave it to “ Jerry Brainum” to kill our “Natty Bodybuilding” hopes 😂💪
This guy doesn't know what he's talking about. Don't listen him
I tookHMB in the early 90s
Did it work? Make a difference?
Tried them and didn't notice a thing.
So it sounds like to me these 2 supplements work. The key is to take the recommended dose of the fodogia. He said taking too much will do the opposite. so that means taking the right amount works
Jerry what are your thoughts on Turkesterone is that too a scam?
Yes. Well from my experience. Bought from 2 different sources. Derek’s and coach Greg’s turk, used both for 4 month straight. Didn’t do shit.
Of course it’s a scam, when ever you see experts on Joe Rogan selling junk it’s a scam
Turkesterone, at best inconclusive.
Thanks y’all
i used gorilla minds turkesterone at 6 caps a day for 90 days....got zero minus an assload of money, most expensive supplement cycle to date. 450 for 3 months.
He must not have listened to him because he did say this during the podcast
Tongkat Ali is real. Fadogia idk never tried cause i cant find it in Canada
Actually, Huberman does state that those with normal (for their age) or high ( for their age) Free Testosterone levels will see minimal IF ANY rise on their testosterone level.
It's those with low and VERY low that will get the most (if any) benefit from them.
Huberman also discussed both rat studies, as did Dr. Kyle Gillette on Huberman, and both noted the risk.
So if im trying to decide if someone is telling the truth on something that affects many I look to see what motivation such as money do they have in saying what they say. I can't think of a monetary gain for this guy so as much as I want to believe hes wrong, its hard to do that.
There is always something to gain when someone has this strong of an opinion; want to be right/promote something else/etc.
@@Isabellapro11max That can be, but what is usually the culprit is money and its a much stronger motivator than just wanna be right unless someone has a personality dissorder.
Excellent example of someone proving their point.
The dude in the glasses must be supplementing with cheese cake…
He is in his 70’s, he also lost muscle mass when they close the gyms due to COVID.
@@1aalvarad he's in a gym...
You obviously don't know who Jerry is. If you google him you will most likely delete your ill informed comment
Similar to yourself then 😂 just remember Jerry is in his 70s and you pal have had a very hard paper round 👍
Interesting info
If you cant physically overpower me. I cant take your advice 😤😤😤
Jerry knows his stuff..
Jerry you should not talk to people who don't have a clue on what your saying,they just want you on their show so they can grow, poor judgment on their behalf in my opinion!
All this guy does is tell people not to take stuff that works end of story
Dr H changed my levels
This guy is not a ideal specimen of a man ,he may be right ,who knows ?
lol
This guy has been there done it , he is an amazing expert on sports science and the most knowledgeable dude on social media, you on the other hand are a 🤡
Wow it's so refreshing to know an alternate version of the narrative.
Huberman is definitely quick to jump the gun on recommendations (and the example given in this video is an example), but it expires a lot more than critical thinking to make proper assessments on supplementation. There is a good reason why people appeal to authorities.
Not going to disagree. He actually met Derek MPMD by Dereck correcting his very wrong description of Turkesterone acting as Test or Deca in the body and raising test
Fair, but Huberman wasn't recommending it to anyone, he was giving his own personal experience when he was searching for natural products to help his Testosterone. It helped him. He shared. Thirsty net kids blew it up.
@@DrChristopherMueller Really? He's also stated he's on TRT. Not sure about this but I'll take your word for it. Overall his advice is very good and I respect his willingness to act as a vessel between the public and academia. But keep in mind an expert's opinion is right at the bottom of the hierarchy of evidence, and for good reason.
because I definitely take health advice from guys that look like this lol
Mad at myself for having purchased tongkat Ali (I’m only 41). Will probably ship it to my parents instead.
Ship it to me, i got crohns and im really imtrested in tongkat but i dont got the funds to try it
I've been taking it for four weeks, my DOMS has decreased significantly allowing me to train more regularly. I am 43. Ship it to me!
Don't listen to Gerry. I've been using Barlowe's Tongkat & Fadogia Agrestis for 3 months 5 days on and 2 days off and my bench press improved from 350lb to 405lb and my forearms have grown from 16" to 17" and my balls have grown huge as well as my body hair which is now on par with the late & great Robin Williams. Thank god for my wife shaving off my back & shoulder hair.
Why would you be mad about purchasing TA
@@richardmilliken8705 Fredogia had some toxic properties. Be careful.
Jerry tells it like it is..I fell for the Bill Phillips garbage when he was running his transformation contests and got totally disgusted when I saw the winners were all on roids.
why should you listen to Jerry vs someone else , he doesnt seem like he lives what he speaks via how he looks
still loved Myoplex line of MRP.. i made so many recipes with it.
They both work for me but maybe it's because I have Nigerian and Asian genetics
I have followed Jerry’s colourful commentary for years . Let’s be honest, he knows his stuff Snd his research and fact checking has stood the test of time.
Both of these supplements have not done well in human trials . On some study group’s individuals on the placebo group did better on the 12 week study because in their mind they were taking something that enhanced muscle building. Proof again the power of positive feedback.
There are some studies showing Tongkat increasing testosterone, so you are wrong on that count. It may be non-conclusive, but at least for me it is working. Gonna get labs and all.
There's a reason why hubarman gets millions of views ... not barely 50k.. one of those reasons he doesn't look like a homeless person in a stretched shirt and track pants... Also never heard him diss on anyone and all the ways tells people to research go to ask your doctor... I say he does a great job given all the information to people without selling or getting paid..
You got me until you discredit doctors
Open the Kimono so to speak.
I know Greg Doucet lie about and tell people this test booster working so well but the reality is you wasting your money.
It's literally so easy to obtain injectable trt and it's not expensive if you can't get a prescription . Alot of guys are iffy about sticking a needle in themselves is why they don't do it. And the fact you can't sit on your ass and just inject that it won't do anything
It does work but these 2 supplements combined can cause issues with your kidneys and your liver because I started having frequent urination issues after 3 months using low dosage of these products. These supplements should be cycled and even during cycling you should monitor your progress on how you feel especially the frequent urination which isn't a good thing and now I'm just taking 300mg's of Tongkat Ali only on the days I work and tracking it's progress. This product does stay in your system for a couple of days so it can easily be cycled and be very careful if you're going above 300mg's because Andrew Huberman suggest 400mg's daily which f@cked me up badly and couldn't sleep for 3 nights only on the first 2 days of taking Tongkat Ali!
@@peterwho9380 That's weird i take a heaping tea spoon of the yellow tonkat ali powder every day and Idk i feel fine i still sleep better than ever even before that . I buy an 8 oz bag of it organic off Amazon every month if anything i noticed my energy increase very slightly but enough for me to notice it since I do alot of cardio outdoors
@@steveazusa problem is you gotta stay on trt for life
@@Jon-kg6hm and I plan on it ,I'll never stop i feel too damn fantastic on it
Works great for me.
Well that sux I just got a bottle lol. Judging by the comments im going to use it at 400/600 for a month see what happens. Only supplement I ever used where I could actually see results soon both looks and strength is creatine. I tried yohimbe one time and my lifts went way up but the company got shutdown. Im pretty sure it had something else in it lol.
And?
@@MechaNick03 I act just started it this week no dif yet
please update us on the effects i want to buy those two we try to concieve child with my spouse
Would be nice if you shared updates?
This guy must check his facts