The NEW FFpower BP2000 is Worth Considering! Budget Friendly - Decent Performance
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- Опубліковано 2 лип 2024
- What did you think of the FFpower BP2000 and B2000 expansion battery? Is the price reasonable for what you get?! Let me know in the comments section.
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BP2000 main unit = $1099
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Video Timestamps:
FFpower BP2000: (0:00)
AC Inverter Testing: (2:24)
DC / USB Output Testing: (10:37)
Charging theFFpower BP2000: (15:07)
Expansion Battery Overview: (21:36)
Grading the Power Station: (23:30)
Final Thoughts: (24:33)
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Non Smart App dependant Person Here! Thanks for your Review !
Same here! Just asking for trouble.
Thanks for the feedback guys!
Thanks for the review Jason. That’s why I like your channel you review all types and prices. Some people don’t need or want the latest and greatest with apps etc.
I wanted to show off an option that had a decent price since it wasn't so 'fancy'!
Thanks for this great test!
Great Vid again Jason!! Frankly I had not thought of hacking or leaking of info element of an app. Excellent points that require some cogitation on my part. Again great Vid as usual. Thanks Man!
Great job Jason! Nice to see an affordable option!
As for app connectivity, I'm not that paranoid but agree with not sharing personal information.
Great in-depth review. Glad to see the newer version has a 120 inverter rather than the 110. That was the reason I went with the OUPES that did put out 120.
The beeping noise you get with panels connected 24/7 was something I experienced with the old version of the Pecron 3000 I purchased 3 or 4 years ago . I believe this company was somehow connected to Pecron because of similarities between their products. The beeping was so annoying and I had bought it to power a freezer I had in the garage. I couldn’t use it because the inverter beeping told me the inverter was disabled. If I wasn’t around, the freezer would be off. Although it tested well, not being able to use solar panels 24/7 is a deal breaker. Glad you pointed that out to anyone thinking about buying it.
Great review. I appreciate how thorough you are. I know it must take a lot of effort. This unit sounds like a winner. I would consider buying if I knew it were reliable and durable. I have a power station that started off working well, but is now beeping in weird situations and having random issues.
My experience with the previous gen (FFpower P2001) has been really good, so I'd hope that would carry over to this model as well.
Time will tell. It needs time
Great review - as always!!!! Prefer the non-app version of most devices as I tend to not be tethered to my phone or tablet most of the time.
That UPS transfer time is amazing!
Now if someone would release something like the Bluetti AC70 with less than 10ms transfer time I'd replace my desktop UPS. Maybe 2024 will be the year.
It's too bad so many of these manufacturers skimp on the 12v outputs. A diesel heater needs 12amps at a minimum to start (due to the glow plug) -- Which means this one just isn't cut out for VanLifers.
So far, the one I have been most excited to hear about was the Ugreen PowerRoam 2200 -- But there seems to be something hinky going on with Ugreen which they have thus far refused to address -- Namely that their Android app has been pulled from the PlayStore and that they have pulled both of their PowerRoam stations from Amazon.
I guess there is always the Bluetti AC200P or AC200MAX -- But the enormous power supply/brick is going to be a dealbreaker for me.
I'll ask Ugreen about the Amazon listings and the app. I know Amazon has ridiculous seller fees, maybe they thought they can just sell it on their website.
@@Jasonoid Yeah, let me know what they have to say. The app seems very integral to the functionality of the power station -- And not having a functioning android app is going to be a deal breaker for a whole lot of folks outside the Apple walled garden.
As for Amazon -- People like me rely on Amazon reviews far more than they do on testimonials left on the manufacturers website. There are far too many ways reviews can be skewed on a companies website. Particularly when it comes to manufacturers honoring warranties. Amazon reviews (along with the EcoFlow subreddit) are what clued me in to EcoFlow's abysmal record when it comes to honoring warranties.
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Hi Jason,
That's a decent power station for the price. It has nice upgrades over the older model too. I see it does have a few quirks though. Those beeps were annoying. I am surprised that it doesn't have app support, most new models have that feature. I think I would prefer an app. It would be nice to have that option and let the user decide to activate it or not. Yes, sadly in the winter time we have a lot of cloudy days to contend with and less daylight so it's difficult to test solar charging without using simulated solar.
Thanks for another in depth review, this power station really does have a lot of nice things going for it. Up to 1000watts of solar input at 120v., a super fast UPS, expandability and a really attractive price.
Take care, Steve.
It's definitely got more pros going for it than cons. I guess it just depends on the person if any of those quirks are deal breakers.
I measured 1830 Wh AC capacity using powerful devices and only 1560 using my PC and fridge. It consumed 2486 Wh for charging (I used the slow one), so the round trip efficiency is 73-83% depending on power of the devices. The idle power draw is higher than I wanted.
I have Oukitel BP2000 for Europe, 230 Hz.
I have unfortunately heard that in the gangs stealing breaking into cars and houses that they use a device to cut off or disable or jam the WiFi so they aren’t caught on cameras people now have, like the ring doorbell. This comes crime police. I mention that becz if crooks have jamming devices all electronics that depend on WiFi are susceptible. I wouldn’t want any devices dependent on my WiFi for security reasons esp. not to mention the battery bank is supposed to be the back up when the the power is out.
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Most of the apps available for these solar generators run off Bluetooth - not WiFi, although some can do both. Plus, just because some units have an app available to use doesn’t mean that is the only way you can operate and control them. They still also work fine just operating from the built-in display - as long as it is functioning.
Google nest cameras cache the video, you'd have to jam the wifi for ~4-8 hours to lose footage and I get a notification when any device goes offline 🤷♂️
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Your grading sheet is amazing! Thanks a lot for this!
Also I want to ask you to add some other testing parameter - how many watt-hours do the power stations need to fully charge. And calculate the round trip efficiency - output energy divided by input energy.
And another thing - X-boost support. It was important for me with my EcoPlay P1201 power station - it supports 1200 watt, but I could use it with my 1500 watt boiler - it reduces voltage to allow this.
Thanks for the feedback on the testing parameters. A lot of brands of power stations have a similar 'xboost feature' but the uses cases are very low.
@@Jasonoid If you don't want to check the X-Boost - I'm ok with this (just a little sad), but what about the round trip efficiency?
@@user-nl1wf1xi1e These videos take weeks to prepare and it's often a bit overwhelming trying to keep up with my current list of tests. My average view duration on a review video is 7 to 9 minutes (on a 25 to 30 minute review). I even wonder sometimes if all the current tests I do even matter. I'll consider it.
@@Jasonoid I understand it. And I don't require you to update all your list. (However this would be impressive.) But at least for the future reviews I believe it's important. (More important than 120V instead of 110 and solar connection 24/7.) You provide a lot of information, so it's just a little bit to make your reviews comprehensive. I believe different power stations have different reserved capacity, so the ones with more reserved are advertised as less efficient, that's not true.
I don't know who and how watch your videos, I watched several ones full time. I was going to buy BP2000, so I look at all the info I can get. After some reviews I decided to buy it, but the price increased...
I don't need the Smart App connectivity. Excellent review, and I like this one. The wallet-hand is twitching; may get this one.
I ordered one!
Keep me posted about how you like it. I think it's quite the upgrade from the P2001.
Looks like it, especially going to 120V.
Thanks!
Thanks for the donation! Much appreciated!
It looks worth considering if looking for a more affordable power station. I like that it accepts up to 120volts for solar charging.
As always Mr Jason great video an information. Would you mind telling us what model or brand of AC tester plug you were using on this video? One more question. Do you know if the 24V aviation port would be more efficient than the 12V cigarette plug connected to a 12V fridge? As always , love your channel.
My meter is very similar to this one:
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The 24v should also power a 12v fridge just fine since most are 12v/24v input. Just check the owners manual of the fridge to make sure the voltage is supported.
very interesting unit,
that UPS feature with the handy oscilloscope to measure the switch over time is amazing, i am very glad that you took the time to invest in it!
i appreciate that it has a slow and quick charge switch,
perhaps in an update and you have a non-cloudy day, check to see if it charges better with any of your arrays, but of course only if you have the time.
the clicking in the morning would get very annoying real quick, definitely a limitation.
re addon battery, would be nice to have the cable connecting the two, not be so bulky at the plug end so stacking them doesn't eat 6+ inches of space, right angle plug maybe? but this would be an industry wide thing.
i also dont mind that it has or doesn't have an app. they are convenient if you can use them with only bluetooth and dont have to connect them to any wifi, but i would not want one that requires a wifi connection, iot devices are just asking to be hacked, while as long as your mobile device and the app is up to date, its usually safe to connect the two, however a internet connection should not be required for it to function, just for updates,
imo any device that requires an internet connection to work properly, or use any features that should be integrated into it already, are just spyware and should be treated as such.
love the review, thanks again Jason
You still have the P2001 right? I think they made some good upgrades from that unit. They also were able to get more usable capacity from it on the 2nd gen. Thanks for sharing your feedback, P M!
yes i have the p2001, will probably keep that till it gives up the ghost, or my needs change. but dreaming is always good too.
@@user--PM my father in law and my sister both have iterations of the P2001. It's a great model thats simple and works well.
It would be interesting to see a head to head video of standalone EBs.
It would be nice to have the EB like this with the 48V output and 500-1000W MPPT input. EcoFlow would definitely lose the EB head to head.
Basically something anyone can use as a bulk DC source for cheap. Currently I think a server rack battery and something like a Victron 100/30 MPPT is the best way to accomplish that without limiting it to a specific purpose.
Most expansion batteries these days have no ports on them..... well from the big brands that is. I'm happy to see the smaller brands breaking that trend.
Would be interested in a version with true 30 amp RV adapter and 24 hour solar operation capability. Great review.
True 30 amp RV adapter as in a 3600 watt output? (120v @ 30 amps)
@@Jasonoid Yes. I've noticed many can't output 30 amps continuously. Not that this is needed usually but it is nice for surge capacity or the capability to run AC and a microwave simultaneously.
@@TEN-ve8mp yep, you'll need to look to the big boy units for thag type of power. Like the Ecoflow Delta Pro.
@Jasonoid, the 2200w Pecron E1500lfp ALSO does the 95% charging thing. They said they put it in there but it is probably whomever builds the mppt boards for both companies. From what I have seen WITH MORE than enough solar(DC has to be in use for it to be seen plugged into AC) the input is being cut off regardless that the output is less than input until the batteries drop to 95%. This means it will cycle 5% at a time multiple time when it is not necessary. Those 5% cycles add up to 100% very quickly and unnecessarily. Doing the math…there will be not even 5 years to much less than 50% battery capacity. Try it on this unit.
Those 5% 'cycles' are not a 'Cycle' for battery usage degradation. A 'cycle' is from 100% to 0% and back of battery state of charge . . . very few units see that kind of usage. Minimal discharge and recharge are less telling on a battery and if there is solar power in while unit is under load the battery sees even less use. Luckily I was not good at 'math' so I didn't do it !
I suggest if you feel anxiety from your calculations perhaps reviewing the four performances by the winner of 'Norway's Got Talent 2014' will give some relief to your grief ! ! !
Thanks for sharing about the same charging sequence for the E1500LFP, I never noticed that why I was testing it for my video.
Nice power station. What would happen if the computer equipment was connected to one plug and on another plug say a heavy load was plugged say 1600 watt load or even higher. Would the UPS mode be able to handle the switch over without a flicker that would trip the computer to shut down? Just curious. Great review.
I don't think it would have an issue, especially since it's such a fast swap time. You'd definitely want to have the 'fast charging' switch enabled if you were going to do that.
Thanks. Another great review. Won’t buy without a smart app. If the display dies or fails, the unit becomes useless or at the very least extremely difficult to operate and monitor.
Great feedback! Thanks for commenting.
I agree with that 100%. Everyone's paranoid about these devices having built-in apps while using an app themselves to watch video itself. lol
What's to be Paronoid about
@@bryanmathew2079 idk. Ask the people who absolutely refuse to use the apps some of these devices have.
Replacing the screen is super easy on most of these if the manufacturer can provide parts
I have the ff power 2001. The problem is the beeping and clicking when the sun goes down . Would a timer or photo cell be able to break the pos. at the panels so I wouldnt have to plug and unplug anderson daily ?
Would this option be good for power my camper? Charged via inventer and plugged to AC plug and with solar in the same time ?
Nice review, I dunno tho, I'm wary of a company that popped up in 2020 and then felt the need rebrand a year later. Not convinced that warranty means anything.
Oh yeah....they used to be Bibene and changed to FFpower! They told me Bibene was a horrible name for power systems!
Love your reviews but you really need to get a 4 wire load tester if you’re going to be doing watt hour capacity testing. You’re going to get lower numbers because you’re getting lower voltage…this could create a fairly significant discrepancy when the discharge is running for 10-20 hours
I'm discharging at 10 amps over 12 awg wire (rated at 20 amps continuous), most the voltage drop comes from the wires within the machine 12v socket so you cant avoid it.
Some power stations don't get much voltage drop and some other machines get lots. I've debated about going to 10 awg wire with my load testers but I don't think it will make that much of a difference.
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Glad to hear it!
I am personally fine without the apps. I do not mind them either. I hardly ever use the apps for the ones that have it built in. Really can't beat the price other than maybe the pecron e2000. I do like it has a manual switch for the fast charging and happy to see above 60 volt solar input limit. As an owner of the original I would be willing to buy this one, but I have no need for it.
Only buy units when they are truly needed. Don't ever feel pressure from me to buy anything :)
Oukitel P2001 / FF P2001 just filled in nicely for my severely reduced capacity Bluetti AC 200P ! The Bluetti is about 350 WH capacity from original 2000 & so likely a bad cell or two like you said previously. Don't feel a need to upgrade to the FF BP 2000 as the FF P2001 is sufficient . . . . . and am not a 'smart - app' person.
The Bluetti's deficiency makes me sad . . . but reviewing the four performances by the winner of 'Norway's Got Talent 2014' gives my soul a lift ! ( ha - ha ) take care, rh
I bet with a full disassembly of the Bluetti you could find the bad cell and maybe charge it up to the same charge level as the others manually...but it would fall out of balance pretty quickly afterwards. The old school AC200P used to show individual cell voltages in the menu so you'd know which one was the problem. I dislike they went away from that information 😑
@@Jasonoid - Total battery charge when reaching 100% is 56.7 +. When operating under load it drops slowly to about 51 volts and then quickly to 48 - . . . . . I will need to disassemble and identify / replace the bad cell.
Am furiously procrastinating ! ! ! take care, rh
00:17 Do you mean 16384Wh per spec of the BP2000? The expansion battery pack B2000 is rated ar 2048Wh each. Great video BTW.
From website: may be an error?
* 16384Wh Huge Capacity - Expand up to 7 x B2000 Expansion Batteries (Each 2048Wh)
Inverter is on with no AC load and it is using 1.6% per hour that means about 33W x 24h = 792Wh per day, that is a lot.
7 expansion packs (2048wh each) plus the main unit (2048wh) gives you the total of 16384wh for the whole system. Lots of total power if you invested a bit of money into the system.
Is the polarity on the solar charging cable marked incorrectly to begin with? If you look at the plastic it shows a "+" mark as well as a red ring, but you marked it with a "-" (negative).
Also do you know the reason on why the power bank was beeping when being tethered to a solar panel overnight? Was it due to the panels not pulling a charge for an extended period of time? That's definitely a deal breaker for people (including myself) since they keep them plugged into a solar array 24/7. Like you say hopefully that's addressed in an update sooner than later.
Pretty sure the ring you saw is just the gasket not a polarity marking
The solar plugs are correctly wired for polarity, they are just not marked so I marked them for ease of use.
The beeping was from low solar voltage in the morning. The power station only beeps when solar is starting to get bright in the morning (but not directly on the panels).
@@mariokleidosty9175 Appreciate the input. Thanks!
@@Jasonoid OK thanks for the info Jason and all the work you did on reviewing this unit. I can see why it scores a B-, hopefully they update some of those concerns especially the beeping low solar charge in the near future. Still a lot of progress for FF though!
Speaking of less popular power bank manufacturers have you ever worked with a VTOMAN before? I didn't see any in your past reviews and my Jump 1800 is no longer able to be recharged (after owning it for four months). I reached out to the manufacturer multiple times within the past month but they have failed to communicate within a timely manner. Thanks again!
Excellent review , I bought one and really like it. A couple things I would like to share . It doesn't handle a surge very well , I have a shallow well pump ( 1/4 hp I think ) that will shut it down . However when daisy chained to oukitel 2001 it will run the pump with no problem but voltage drops to 110. A problem I would like advice on , I ordered xt60i - mc4 charge cable 10 awg the one that comes with the unit is only 16 awg. The cable I ordered will not run the bp2000 . Checking continuity , the signal pin is connected to neg. On cabel I ordered but connected to pos. On the original. Am I missing something?
How do you connect the the BP2000 to the Oukitel 2001? Are you doubling up the AC inverters somehow?
It seems like XT60i has different configurations. Ecoflow might use an alternate setup. I only ever tested with the stock solar cabling.
@@Jasonoid I have 2 p2001 connected to rotary selector switch from ac outlet . Rotary switch is connected to ac charge input at 630watts ( low setting ). Doing this I can daisy chain instead of purchasing special battery packs. This gives me aprox 4.8 kwh useable.
So what you are saying is that this power station doesn’t accept the solar panels from ecoflow? Which does it accept? I’ve heard ecoflow can be picky
It will work with solar panels from Ecoflow. It will take up to 120vdc for solar.
If the battery dies when in UPS mode and commercial power returns does the pass thru AC power return without having to turn on the inverter? I’d like something to backup our refrigerator for extended periods away from home but wouldn’t want the power not to return in that situation. And have you ever left one of the UPS capable units plugged in running your old refrigerator for months at a time as a reliability check? Thanks.
Nope, I mentioned that in the video. Still waiting to find a model that supports the AC inverter turning back on once power is restored. You have to turn it back on manually.
@@Jasonoid Wouldn't one of the Bluetti units (e.g. AC180) do that?
@@brianw6645 none of the Bluetti units turn the AC inverter back on automatically once charging. The Ecoflow delta pro Ultra does have that feature but it's not in this category. It's called 'AC always on'.
I have the Version 1 FF Power. You CAN leave it connected to solar panels 24/7. It beeps when it detects light and it continues to beep until there is enough light to actually charge it. Then it stops beeping and just charges. I don't recall it beeping at the end of the day if it isn't fully charged when the sky goes dark. I suspect this new version would be the same in that respect.
It appears, from your video, the screen times out at some point. This isn't the case with my version 1. It's VERY annoying to have that screen on while trying to sleep. I usually just cover it.
Unfortunately if the panels are left connected the beeping goes crazy in the morning! I had this thing in my basement during the first night I was testing and I thought a bomb was going to go off in the morning when thing thing started alarming! It would be cool if they fixed it.
Can you try to hold USB botton for 3 seconds, maybe the mute fuction icon appears and will not beep?
Thanks for the suggestion. I tried that and it appears the only thing that happened was turning the USB on and off. I'll check it out again when I hook up solar panels. @@mihaicristian2885
I can't get my River Pro to charge on the 100w USBC on my Bluetti Ac200Max nor the B230 batterys. But it will charge on the 60w USBC On the Ac200P. So I would say this is a ecoflow river issue.
Thanks for the feedback, I need to get a more advanced way of testing USBc.... ugghh
@@Jasonoid what about a cheap tablet that charges w/ 100w USB C- you could use that to run power station Bluetooth apps vs. Using your cellphone.
Not available in canada :/
I found one critical issue. When charged to 100% and using as UPS, BP2000 discharges about 1.5% an hour. When it reaches about 95% it starts charging, I use slow charging, so it consumes 700 W.
So in UPS mode it reduces available battery cycles and loads the power outlet when it is charging from 95% to 100%.
I've seen power stations have that setting. It basically let's the battery cycle between 95% and 100%, up and down. The Ecoflow DPU does a similar thing between 98% and 100%.
@@Jasonoid Probably you should say about this in your reviews. And I believe the previous generation P2001 doesn't have this issue.
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I love the idea of a smart app but, if these things are supposed to go for 10 years, what are the chances of the app being supported at that point?
Good point, hopefully the manufacturer would update the app periodically and allow backwards compatibility with previous models. That's how Ecoflow has done it so far.
I had one of these and it started on fire on the second use. I contacted the company and they were awful to work with. I strongly recommend finding a different generator.
Fire? so what were you doing? Plugging in too high of solar panel voltage?
Non-smart app. Even worse if they make me create an account just to use it. I'm also a lazy person, so the fact that the solar can't be connected 24/7 is a deal-breaker - for me anyway.
Thanks for the feedback!
I bought BP2000. And it doesn't turn on until I plug it in. I'm really disappointed.
Update. Now it works. After I loaded it with a kettle.
Glad to hear it's working. What do you think the issue was?
@@Jasonoid I don't know. I thought I would make a refund, but now blackouts started in Ukraine, so I'll use it. This thing is really loud. Using 1800 W for charging is too loud for me, so I only use 700 W, it's still loud, but much quieter.
Nice review but I wouldn't say affordable, on a fixed income. Thank you though.
That's a fair argument. I guess affordable is all relative. When compared to models that cost $1900 or $1700 for the same size inverter and battery capacity, this model is a much better cost at $1099 on it's current sale.
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People deciding something is the best of 2024 yet its january
Well I can't say the best of 2023 since that's gone 😂🤣
Wow, you're reviews are thorough..Except 53 cents a watt hour isn't close to being the price, unless I'm willing to do some math, which I'm not..I'm a smart App person as long as it's not required to use the item in question, if the app is required for the item to work, I would never buy it..
$1099 current price on FFpower website / 2048 watt hours = $0.53 per watt hour.
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