Why Romania & Hungary Hate Each Other
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- Опубліковано 20 вер 2024
- In this video we dissect the complex relationship between the EU's biggest rival countries, Hungary & Romania. And we take a look at their shared history in the region of Transylvania where conflict never seems to be afar and I try to explain why things are as they are between the two nations.
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This feud between Hungary and Romania always reminds me that during WW2 both nations were allies and that when an hungarian division was next to an romanian on there was always a german division between them, because they feared that they woud not support each other when the soviets attacked or even attack each other.
When the US gets the declaration of war from Hungary, Roosevelt asks his attache:
-Why would they declare war on us?
-Because they want to reannex Transylvania.
-Do we have control over Transylvania?
-No.
-So who has Transylvania now?
-The Romanians.
-So they are on our side?
-No, they are on Hungary's side.
@@bacsibela8966 Wasn't it Hungary that had Transylvania when the US entered WW2 (via the Vienna Diktat/Second Vienna Award) ?
@@blede8649 they only controlled the northern part, funny thing is the land they got only had 1/3 of the hungarian population in Transilvania, the rest was still in Romania.
So the Vienna diktat was extremely retarded and a way for the nazis to get Hungary and Romania as allies
@@teodorgeorgescu9291 We paid the price for it... we lost the 1. army and the 2. army get battered after Stalingrad.
When we wanted to leave and peace talk with the Sovjets, hearing this Hitler just made a force occupation and making the Hungarian version of the Gestapo and SS. Remind you that we were happy what we got and we wanted to leave the war.
Its not for dumb reasons that April 4 is called Liberation day. That's the day when Sovjets "Liberated" us from the Reich,s tight grip but that just replacement of 1 tyrani whih another one.
If covid over there is a place called "House of Terror, been there once...can't forget it.
The building itself was Nyilas and the VHO-s headquarter. Political Torture and execution building from the White (Nazi) and from the Red (Sovjet) era
@@teodorgeorgescu9291 I'm not arguing that the Vienna borders were made in a way to bring both Hungary and Romania to the Axis side but the new borders actually got most of the Transylvanian Hungarians in it. Hungarians at the time clearly made up the majority population at the northern part of the Hungarian-Romanian border (think the Satu Mare-Oradea area) and in Székelyföld and those were now in Hungary, about 1,1-1,3 million people, depending on who made the census. Compared to that, 'only' about 2-300.000 Hungarians were left in Romania. The problem was that between those areas, there lived roughly the same number of Romanians as Hungarians (again, either slightly more or less depending on who made the statistics, plus there was a huge ass population movement immediately after Trianon and a smaller but still significant one after the Vienna Awards).
Here is a joke about it:
In 1941, Roosevelt's telephone rings. He picks it up.
"Who is it?"
"Here is the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Hungary joined Nazi Germany and declared war on us."
"Do they have a reason?"
"They have territorial claims against Romania."
"Is Romania our ally?"
"No, they are allied with Hungary."
I know a more ellaborate version with added absurdity:
-Sir, the Kingdom of Hungary has declared war on us.
-That's not great news. Who is their king, who should I address, if I want to negotiate?
-They don't have any, the country is under the regency of Admiral Horthy.
-Well, how strong is their fleet then, are they a threat to our naval forces?
-Sir, they don't have a navy to speak of, other than a few river boats.
-Okay, why did they join the war, do they have territorial disputes with anyone?
-Yes sir, with their allies Slovakia and Romania.
-U serious?
The hungarians join ww2 becouse the soviets are bombing the city of Kassa and it was under hungaryan occupie becouse of the first wiene award.
It wasn't soviet troops bombed Kosice, it is very stupid to involve at war with you one more country. It was a special action between Germany, Romania and Miklosh Horty's government to involve Hungary in WW2 on Axis side. Kosice was bombed by hungarian pilots (!) with German bombers from Romania's territory in agreement with Miklosh Horty.
It's even dumber than that. After Germany declared war on the USA, the secretary of state and Hungarian ambassador desperately tried to figure out how to avoid declaring war because both knew there was 0 point to it. Unfortunately, Hitler's suicide pact was in full swing and Hungary became the second to last country the US has declared war on. Who was the last? Why Romania of course!
Must be a Romanian joke for Hungarians have no claims to Transylvania since it was always Hungarian still it is and always will be.While Romanians unfortunately can’t even decide who they are or from which southern country they have come from while claiming that the land was always they as being descendant of Dutch,SaKSon,Romans,Romani ….with a ArMenian flag.
He is the first youtuber who can actually pronounce "magyar"
In Serbian word for Hungarian in Mađar/Madjar, which sound very similar to Hungarian word Magyar.
But Serbian is closer to be pronounced like Mad-jar. Hungarian consonant is a bit softer.
"magyarization" is my new favorite word.
And also “Székely!”
Maybe he is a hungarian
@@Mladjasmilic Mad jar : )))
I met only calm ones :)
As a romanian i have a lot of respect for the magyar population from our country, most of them are serious and decent people. We should focus on living together in peace and respect each other.
Thanks my friend. 🤝 I'm pretty sure most of these conflicts are made by politicians and far right. Idiots are everywhere in every country. Living in Germany and having a lot of Romanian friends here. Never had any problem with them. Never understood this pointless hate because both side committed lot of bad things in the past.
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What I`ve found (not necessarily) surprising is that Hungarians here seem to define themselves as such rather in comparison with Romanians in Transilvania. Outside of Transilvania (e.g. Hungarians in Bucharest and the few in Constanta) may define themselves as "more original" ("neaosi") ardeleni. Hungarians outside of Eastern Europe living in UK, for example, may define themselves as Central Europeans with some Siberian roots and those in China or India may define themselves as the same, too, maybe closer to Germans than Romanians, to be a little nasty.
ba ei au 0 respect pt noi majoritatea
As a Romanian living in Transylvania from Brașov (Really close to Székelyföld) and studying in Cluj-Napoca (Kolozsvár) which has a large Hungarian minority I can say that Transylvanians either Romanian, Hungarian or Saxon really get along with each other and the problem is the way Hungarians from Hungary or Romanians from Moldavia or Wallachia see this problem.
Transylvania has always been a very diverse region with 8 ethnic groups (Romanians, Hungarians, Székely, Saxons, Swabs, Gypsies, Greeks, Jews) and 5 religious confessions (Orthodox, Catholic, Lutheran, Calvin, Unitarian + the Jewish religion).
I actually learn Hungarian at university since I already speak German. My father always told me that if you live in Transylvania you should know how to speak Romanian, Hungarian and German.
Hate is propelled by people who refuse to understand each other or who do not know what they are talking about.
I saw a post about this on reddit
The defferent ways Hungary and Romania picture the life of the people. Hungary's side was that the steriotipical Romanian was abusing the Hungarian and revers in Romanian
The reality is that they get along with each other. The problem is the Hungarian government making all the wrong moves in every way possible
As a Hungarian I couldn't disagree more with my government' actions
Let the people of Transylvania live their lives, and don't mess it up!!
@@barnabasadany1795 I study history at university and I think that the Hungarian Government leans on a nostalgia of the Hungarian Kingdom which ceased to exist since Mohács in 1526. No one contested the fact that Hungary was indeed a great European power but that time is long gone. Extreme nationalism is what caused 2 world wars and no one actually wants to go to war.
As a Hungarian, living in Hungary i fully support all of the above.
I live close to the Romanian border, I've been to Romania countless times. The people i met were always nice, and it was never a problem to get along.
I have many friends over there (tho mostly székelys and hungarians). And 4 years ago i had a top 5 drunkest time at Friends, Satu Mare (10/10, can recommend).
i mean there are no longer germans here
@@kingdomoftransylvania5744 There actually still are. I was a volunteer guide in the Black Church in Brașov which is run by the Saxon community. Also in the villages from Brașov and Sibiu counties the grandchildren of the deported Saxon from communist era moved back there, renovated the old Saxon houses and they make money by turning them into cozy BnBs.
In Banat, Crișana and Satu Mare there are still Swab communities or their grandchildren who moved back from Germany because they found business opportunities.
There weren't a lot of Saxons of Swabs to begin with even when they came but they still exist here in 2021.
You should make a vid about the polish-hungarian friendship as well, that's quite unusual.
Edit: how the f*ck did this comment get 3K likes?
yeah, two hateful nations kissing each others backside...
Czech and polish reletaionship is even better.
Poles look up to czechs and czechs look down on poles lol
@@luboskulhavy7769 Bruh this friendship goes way beyond in time to your recent impressions about these countries. Also goverment is not equal with nation.
Hungarians and Poles love themself cause both of them hate immigrants
They were both in the buffer zone.
I heard this joke from a Székely about trianon:
"Hát gondoltam, hogy erdély egyszer újra szabad lesz. De hogy egész romániát hozzánkcsatolták..."
"I always knew that we will gain independence again from Hungary. It was surprising that we annexed the whole of Romania, tho."
It dosent make sence
@@nocive7381 yes in Hungarian
az igazság
@@nocive7381 Sense. Makes no sense. "Sence" is a non-word.
So go learn at least basic English and also develop something called a sense of humour (Simțul umorului) and then try and interpret this joke again perhaps this time you will get it
Hmmm, historically accurate comment?! (Almost)
It seems that there are still some educated people on the Internet.
My grandmother's family lived in Transylvannia as Hungarians. After the World War I they obviously lost everything, lands, house to the Romanians. Part of the family moved to Hungary, part remained in now Romania. She obviously was sad about what was lost, but I never heard her saying anything bad to individual Romanians. In the 70-ies the family visited back, and she only remembered the good times. I have had the chance to work together with Romanians in the UK, and they were great colleagues and good friends. There is no hatred or animosity, it's only fuelled by malice and bad intention. We are two nations sharing the same lands, have common culture and tradition. This land is not ours, we are borrowing it from our children. It is our responsibility to teach them the values of mutual respect and acceptance, while understanding that haters are going to hate.
Mergeți fraților în Ungaria cu toții.. Nu mai aveți ce face în țara asta prăpădită.. Sperăm ca într-o bună zi Ardealul să nu mai depindă de București..
Very, very well said!
@@bogdanioan5035 București e un oraș; nu ia decizii. Decizii iau liderii politici: Iohannis (președintele țării și lider de facto al PNL, ardelean), Orban (ex-prim-ministru, ex-șef PNL, ardelean), Bode (lider PNL, ardelean), Barna (ex șef USR, ex-partid guvernare, adrelean), Cioloș (ardelean) etc.
@@bogdanioan5035Românii ca tine strică țara mai mult decât parlamentari
@bogdanioan5035 Sadly Hungary is also going into the same bad way. Corrupt politicans robbing out everything.
As a Hungarian from Transylvania reading the comments from kind Romanians made me cry. Tare multumesc c:
Cu drag! I have many Hungarian friends and they were better friends than some Romanians were. My mother had a Hungarian godmother, my parents also had Hungarian friends, their wedding's godparents were Hungarians and they were the sweetest people. Even my great-grandmother had Hungarian friends, when she died, one of them came to the funeral even if she was in a bad condition as well, she also died after one month. Transylvania is home for Hungarians also. Don't look at crazy, loud nationalists, those are idiots that hate everybody, even some Romanians.
Your welcome!
As a Hungarian from Transylvania fck Romania!
I feel the same way while reading kind Hungarian comments, most of the times I find people fighting in comment sections, even in music related videos which have nothing to do whith it, so yeah, as a Romanian transilvanian I'm just happy. Know that I tried learning your language once, as a way of showing my interest and good intentions towards hungarian culture, but hungarian is kinda hard 😁 being non indoeuropean and all, but maybe the next time I try I do better. Maybe one day I can order my kurtoskalaks in hungarian.
Have some pate Ardealul👍😁
I am romanian and I live in Oradea(Nagyvarad), a city close to the hungarian border and 25% hungarian population. Everybody thinks we are fighting each other here when in reality we are throwing parties with Palinca and Kurtos Kalacs and have a lot of fun together :))))))))
Partying together in green, gekko, bodega, edison etc etc >DD
hello my friend im live in Hungary bátonyterenye
Hi Im from România Argeș
Hey guys, not so close to you but i am from Galați!
Ciau, eu sunt în Salonta
0:45 Thats a good video 👍
It is, the guy who made it very funny :^)
Can you make the Romanian and Hungarian version too? ;)))))
@@duxromanorum9861 ?
Wow_mao is Hungary
The Greek vs Turk one is still my favourite of the two.
"The bigest riddle of the universe: Who was first in Transilvania" This made me subscribe
I was first in Transylvania. It's all mine...
Four months before Romania entered WW1, my great grandfather was on border patrol around Transylvania. There he met a Hungarian soldier whom he befriended and spent months hanging out with. At one point, they even set up a table and chairs and had dinner on what was soon to be no man’s land. As the tensions between the two countries boiled up, not once did their friendship weaken. I know this story sounds sappy but its point is that national tensions, ethnicity, religion, and cultural differences should never come between people. I bet if a Hungarian and a Romanian spent a day with each other ( I’m aware of the language barrier) they would find more in common than different.
That’s a revealing experience, and it actually resumes the whole romanian-hungarian “conflict”. It has ALWAYS been a political choice, not people choice. Of course there are dumb haters on both sides, but it’s about the individual, not the nation. I live basically on the border with Hungary, I have no knowledge of this “conflict” here in Oradea. I actually find this ethnic diversity beautiful. The ones that still hold a grudge are the “boomers” 50-60 y.o. The young generation doesn’t let the dumb and violent past, get in their heads. I’m quite sure, that if any conflict sparks again between these two nations, it will start by the hand of old fucktards politicians.
As a Moldovan/Romanian I think the whole issue really is bizarre. You're right about us not knowing each other while there is a large Hungarian population in Romania we're both pretty segregated from each other for really no reason. If we , at least, understood our differences we could get a long and be very powerful together
Keep on eating glue
Hungarians have "a language barrier" with everyone that isn't a mongolian throat singer from the Russian steppes. Almost as if their place isn't in the middle of Europe.
Yes the whole thing is funny because in Transylvania proper Romanians and Hungarians live together peacefully, eat eachother's food and drink palinka and țuica and there are churches for every denomination. My neighbours there are hungarian and we are close friends, we are all Transylvanians for many generations. But then on the internet among the nationalists who don't even live there it's a big rivalry still lol
As a Transylvanian most of the hate is made by toxic children on internet.
In everyday life everything resumes to
Romanian: u like palinca?
Hungarian: igen
Romanian: u my brudah now
That's good to hear :D
Ofc we love pálinka , we made it :DD
Until the romanian steals it XDD
I summoned the entire magyar horde oh god
Yeah, honestly THIS. I have lived almost all of my life in Oradea, a city with a fairly large hungarian speaking population and we've never had any problems. For real, the first time I learned about people hating each other was when I got to read stuff on the internet. It's mostly hungarians FROM HUNGARY and Romanians FROM THE SOUTH/EAST that spread this shit. Most of us living here just get along really well. I'm a romanian Transylvanian and my best friend until highschool was a Hungarian Transylvanian.
The childhood flashbacks you gave me when, at the end of the video you played the hungarian folk stories intro music. Ah good times... being a kid and watching Hungarian Folk stories on minimax. Its nice being a kid.
Now that I've grown up with "western culture" I'm starting to realise that stories like Magyar Népmesék are quite gruesome
@@kolozsvarifinn816 How come? I never saw them as gruesome. They are quite fun for the kids. I watched them as a kid
@@kolozsvarifinn816 You mean the three-headed dragons getting beheaded by the hero? lmao
Ah yes.... Childhood!!!
In my experience (as a Hungarian, living in Hungary) it is those people saying: "Romanians are idiots" who have never seen a Romanian in their lives and rarely leave their vicinity.
I have been to Transylvania nine times and it was only the first one when it felt wrong.
Other than that - fantastic experiences (eight times!).
And since Székelyföld is far and I cannot drive we mostly went to places which have an overwhelming Romanian majority.
Alba, and eastern Bihor - and the latest adventure went to Maramures.
Guess what?
Nice people everywhere.
In Alba, the hotel lady (well it was a pensiunea) looked at us strangely at first, eight crazy Hungarian people.
Then we talked every day and played her Hungarian songs on the zither. On the last day she actually shed a tear when we went home.
In Maramures, two people stopped for me when I had to hitchike under the Gutin mountains and it was 1.5 m of snow everywhere.
I think it is only the politics which wants us to hate each other, but I refuse.
0:25 Cultural Rivalries
1:27 Transylvania
3:25 Hungarian History
3:59 1500’s Semi-Independence for Transylvania
4:25 Romanian population 🇷🇴 Hungarian population 🇭🇺
5:26 Austria-Hungary
5:33 WW1 Treaty of Trianon
• Hungarians split away in land loss
6:31 WW2, post-Trianon borders revive
7:27
• 70% Romanian
• 14% Hungarian
• 12% other
• 4% Gypsy
8:21 Hungary in Education
9:12 Dual Citizenship
9:31 Great Fears from both Groups
I am Hungarian, and never hated Romanians… in fact I get along with them very well here in London! They are nice people, and we have lots of similarities in a way! I believe this hatred was created by politicians as usual! 🙏🏼
Adam Springmann , romanians from Darmanesti , Moldova in june 6. 2019. "vizited" the Hungarian Royal Army Cemetery in Valley of Uz , Szeklerland , Transylvania. ua-cam.com/video/5VG2y8wCabc/v-deo.html
@@bujdososzekely Now, I understand you and see what you are trying to say. This must have been a tragic day and action. However in my opinion these are simply hooligans and a very small amount of the Romanians ! I’m not defending them of course and hope they were punished by law! Nobody or no cemetery on earth deserves such a vandalism…. :(
@@adamspringmann2449 , ua-cam.com/video/qqia6YGzgKU/v-deo.html
@@bujdososzekely Ez valóban nagyon szomorú és felháborító! Mivel nem ott élek ezért én csak kívülállóként “látok”. Ehhez valóban semmi joguk nem volt….
Sajnálom hogy így kell élned/élnetek a mindennapjaitokat 🙏🏼😢
@@adamspringmann2449 ezt evente tobbszor eljatszodjak , pedig az uz-volgyi magyar katonatemetoben egyetlen roman katona nincs eltemetve , a 10 km tavolsagra levo Poiana Uzuluion vannak csak az ottani roman katonatemetoben nagy a szemet es egyresze a viztarozo alatt van.
We can't generalise, Romania and Hungary doesn't hate each other, only certain "certin" Individuals who by the way would hate just about everything else but not themselves. The big majority of the people living in Transilvania live together for centuries and go along with each other.
This is a mistake. Romania and Hungary as a state hate each other, since Romanian state objective to ocupy more and more territory. But a state is not equal with a nation.
@@adriancristian6625 I dont think so. Before ww1 hungary and romania have a very similar relation like poland and hungary now. Ín the end, both Italy and romania become enemies of hu, just for grabbing some land.
@@xerxen100 bro I need your dealer’s number
Yeah, I'm from a Maramuresan Romanian diaspora family and three of my uncles are married to Hungarian women, and Hungarian is typically spoken next to German and Romanian at family gatherings.
Hungarians still have the right to cultural autonomy and also partial rights for self-governance, which is a lot more than the Romanians had back in the day. To the degree that there are still communities who don't speak Romanian at all.
Hungarians have their own neighborhoods, schools, even to a degree universities, and their women get hit on by Romanians like every other group.
I was in Cluj two years ago with a Hungarian friend of mine and we went to Hungarian bars and I had a good time. One girl told me that her parents would disown her if she married me though lol.
The problem for Hungarians is that their culture is very particular and their language difficult to pick up. Also, many of them are uhm...racially oriented
"would hate just about everything else but not themselves" - Truth has been said here
the fact that you used that legendary song at the end(Hungarian Folk Tales' theme song) granted you my respect.
As a Romanian that lives in Wallachia, I can say that I respect the Hungarians from Transylvania. I see not reason to hate. We all are human after all.
Salute, as a Hungarian from transdanubia.
@@balintvarady5160 🇷🇴❤🇭🇺
Cât de adevârat! Salutări din Maramureş😁
As a Hungarian I feel the same.
Bad reasoning. You guys should be Bois because European gang World-wide, that's awesome reasoning
About Hungarian-Romanian relations, there’s a anecdote from the time of the Second World War, a supposed conversation between Harry Truman as state secretary and a secretary on duty, 1941 December:
-Good morning, good morning, is there anything new in the world?
-Mr. Secretary, Hungary declared war on us.
-What kind of country is Hungary exactly?
-Smaller kingdom in East-Europe
-Who’s there king?
-They don’t have one
-Who’s in charge then?
-Admiral-Governor Miklós Horthy
-Admiral? At which see?
-They don’t have any.
-Okay? And what do they want from us?
-From us, nothing. They have territorial claims against Romania.
-Romania?
-Smaller kingdom in East-Europe
-And Romania is our ally?
-No Mr. Secretary, Romania is an ally of Hungary…
The story of course was later proved fictional as at the time Truman was a senator at the time.
This is a very old, tired and boring joke.
@@mihalybormester8736 but sums up what kind of twister fuck Hungarian history was at the time
I read this joke in Paul Lendvái "Hungarians" book😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂not surprised the Hungarian dont like the joke
Do a video on the Polish-Hungarian friendship, if you like. It goes back all the way to the 900's, it's absolutely fascinating. And kurvára wholesome.
Yes Mr. Szabolcs. Ez bizony kūrvára igaz.
That is kibaszottul true
@@Gecica8883 😂😂 yes sur
Kurvára tartsatok ki tesók! Peace from hun.
Hungarian - Mongolian ancestory, thats a video to watch!
It shows how both peoples eat horse, or how the were sleeping on the horse when they were nomads.
The entire hungarian argument is based on the date Romania unified. According to the hungarian "historians", the romanian people just popped in the land, out of nowhere, in 1859. 🤦♂️
As a Romanian from Moldavia, I must confess that the Hungarian minority has been really helpful with my family when we were lost in Maros or our tire broke. Many Romanians didn't care about us. Education is what matters. Not ethnicity.
Moldova*
Scuze dar trebuia să te corectez
But many times education comes from ethnicity.
@@PhanthomKnight9 Moldavia is Moldova in english
@@Adifan_UnironicallyBallkan ohh
@@PhanthomKnight9 trebuia să te corectez
We don.t really hate each other. I am Romanian and Hungary is one of the loveliest countries to me! Szia from Bucharest, dear neighbours!❤
It's just politics; we don't hate each other. Long live Romania! Greetings from Budapest! 🇭🇺❤️🇷🇴
Multumesc neighbor!
Azért az autonómiát megadhatnátok
It depends. The 2 types of romanians i see giving most of the hate are the ones living in the very other side of romania, and war fanatic 9yos in YT comment sections. Similar case with Hungarians. I literally couldnt care less if someone's romanian. We are all experiencing the misfortune that is living on the border of the balkans together.
We love our Romanian neighbour’s.
Glad to see that your microphone quality went up again
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@@LivingIronicallyinEurope
Thank God, the pop in was obnoxious, thanks for upgrading
As a Romanian from Oltenia (not Transylvania) I didn't know what to expect when I traveled to Budapest or when I met Hungarians in Western Europe. The conclusion is that all of them where very helpfull and are happy to meet Romanians.
This was not true for me and i was very surprised as i am pretty nice lady with much love for humanity in general, and when travelled to budapest, did not even knew much about the tension between our countries. They acted differently when we told them we are from romania(we looked italians) and our car got robbed :) it was in 2015. Maybe things have changed since then.
@@ruxfux3222 Don't take that personally. I am Hungarian and my car got robbed twice in 3 years. 😂😂
I guess, as a Hungarian from Budapest, I have approximately just as much connection to Transylvania as the average Romanian from Bucharest does (outside of the obvious legal terms), which consists of not much more than sheer appreciation for the place's rich cultural and natural heritage, a few relatives and friends from there and nice memories of visiting. I think we should let the locals (Transylvanians) sort out things between themselves and not interfere too much. It would be nice, if the two countries' governments and politicians in general, would focus on coordinating their efforts in helping the region's development together, instead of exploiting the people living there for political games, spreading hate in the process. One can always wish.
Great video BTW, as usual on this channel;)
Great insight! I live over here, in Transylvania, as a Romanian in the majority Szekler lands. At ground level most Szeklers and Romanians cooperate to make this region a better place. But there have always been and always will be bad apples on both sides. I have had the misfortune of meeting them.
Name a politician "exploiting people and spreading hate in the process".
@Garlic Pudding LOL. Good call.
Contrary to popular belief the areas around here (I'm Transylvanian) are indeed quite well developed. I don't think we need neither Budapest nor Bucharest to tell us or give us any "financial aid". We can do very well by ourselves.
Transylvania is pretty well developed, and is Romanian by majority. Lol, Wallachians, Moldavians and Transylvanians have much in common.
Well the national, regional tensions and hate between Hungarians and Romanians was huge in the 90's but like nowadays it's generally just a few small groups and people who would make up like 1% of the UA-cam comment section :P
Now, in my personal opinion as a Hungarian I would love it if we could get back the lands we lost, but at this point in this day and age it's too far past the point in history. Sooner or later we both will have a serious common enemy and we need to come together and be prepared for it.
As a Romanian I fully support cooperation between the two nations. There are bigger threats out there. Even though these two ethnicities haven't gotten along very well, they still have a shared history.
@Garlic Pudding Long live our proud peoples!
@@kevinboros7427 As do I, I mean we could choose to still squabble and bicker about the past, or we can try to make the best of what we have and keep building up our countries, improve the economy, grow businesses and opportunities.
It's the same thing with Hungary and Turkey or even the Austrians, yes the history with them is very dark and brutal etc, but at the same time we can't forget that fact that Hungary's trade with Turkey as well as Austria is very crucial nowadays.
It's also the same thing with Romanians and Poles, there are some amongst these groups squabbling and bickering over a border or land but like in general these 2 countries do business with each other.
Yeah but remember that Transilvania was always ours
@@emanuelmaldoileacont8253 , Transylvania was a region of Hungary for 1000 years before romanian ocupation in 1918.
I am half Hungarian half Romanian but i cn tell you that we are friends mostly there are few cases where a romanian and a hungarian are not friend,it was a problem in the 40-50's but now we just make parodies about hating each other,where in reality we are actually friends now.
I looked this up a few months ago.
It seems that hate between Hungarians And Romanians is at it's lowest point ever.
A few fringe characters, but that's kinda it.
That's not entirely true. My teacher almost got beaten by Romanians only because he was talking on Hungarian 30 years ago.
I know someone personally who lived in moldova (the romanian part), is a Hungarian and was charged several times only because she was speaking Hungarian in her HOME. She was born in 1978 and these things happened in her village frequently before she moved in 1990.
Things got chilled in the last 20 years, not in the 50's
No one said things were better in the 50, I think you misread
Thank you very much for the video! I am Romanian from that part of Northern Bukovina, Ukraine. Not long ago I learned about the conflict between Hungarians and Romanians, a little similar to Bukovina, I mean, Multiculture, Bukovina is a Multicultural land, Ukrainians, Romanians, Poles, Germans, Jews, and others. The same goes for Transylvania, Romanians, Hungarians, Germans, and others. Interethnic conflicts are created by a group of nationalists, and fanatical patriots, some media from any side, and armchair experts on the Internet who do not understand anything, and ordinary people just want to live. Once I came across channels on social networks, and the saddest thing is that there are channels that provoke and incite ethnic hatred, hatred, and sometimes for some reason they pass off as disinformation as information, it is complete darkness!
I wish everyone peace and the best. And thanks to the author for the video again :)
A few monts ago i had a lovely conversation wih a romanian( i'm hungarian) on tiktok about how It's nearly impossible to be proud of our culture without ppl assuming that you are supporting the goverment and associate you with a very conservative personality. I realised how much we have incommon and we should all stop living in the past and blaming each other for what had happend, and focus more on the happier and healthier things.
Yea, add to this the fact we're both in the EU, and thus free to enjoy each other's countries to any extent we want, and the whole bickering is totally pointless.
you should both be ashamed for using tik tok
I always say, if I can't sit down to drink with a Romanian, than i would not be able to drink with him even if he was Hungarian.
Based
I live in Banat(thank god) and we dont have such issues here. All cultures and ethnicitties get along pretty good. All hungarians that I know here speak Romanian very well and are not interested in this issue so much.
From your name you are ethnic Serb and you say that so Romania is not a bad place !
@@cafta Well ye.. Minorities have rights and are treated as any other Romanian citizen
The novel "The Carpathian Castle" from Jules Verne gives an interesting insight of the history and everyday life in the 1800's of these two nations living near each other.
As someone from transylvania, i witness the language problem every day. Sadly even i can't make proper complex sentences, even thou i'm trying to this day. The differences between the languages always mess with me when i try to speak like a normal person. Other than finding the language difficult, i like romanians, have romanian friends, and find they literature interesting. Our politicians could be a bit better, but other than that, the place isn't too bad. Covid did hit us hard tho
It really did hit us hard man :((
@@johnwilliam9954 Hope you are doing ok in these times
@@humbleflatcap1802 same for you brother. Hope you are ok
Toți am vrea sa oprim aberația asta 😅
I just gave up learning romanian
The szekely wakes up with tears in his eyes. His wife asks.
-Why are you crying dear?
-I had an emotional dream.
-What was it about?
-We went to Budapest.
-And why is that emotional?
-Because we didn't need a passport.
They don't since both countries are EU members but the joke is funny;))
Even tough we (hungarians) do joke a lot about Transylvania being part of Hungary, but it's not like we give a shit about it being part of Romania. You could say this is how we cope with our complicated history.
Much love to my romanian and hungarian brothers alike.
We live in a united Europe anyway. Transylvania is European land. Like Romania and Hungary. We are Europeans! Never had any kind of problems with the ethnic hungarians from Romania.
We're not brothers,Maghyar!
@@makelovenotwarnoob , Transylvania is Hungarian land under romanian occupation after 1918 !!!
@@liviubostan7229 your brothers the romani peoples !!!
@@bujdososzekely are you a romani person?
As a hungarian I have to say, WE dont hate romanians. SOME ppl hate romanians and usually they are right winged.
I was only once in Romania. I thought it will be like going to mordor as Frodo, and all romanians will attack me like orcs. But everibody was so kind and friendly, and nobody wanted to kill me just because im Hungarian.
The romanian-hungarian hate is overblown. I work in the same factory with both romanians and hungarians. Everybody (but a small asshat minority) tries to cooperate and befriend eachother. We're all humans. Let history be history and learn from it.
you should've went to the 2 zones your people have in our country and see how they behave, especially with romanians
@@kysfggt Must have a reason of that ;) Maybe You have to stop harassing them ;)
@@Lordmotor harassing them? they refuse to integrate and want special treatment. They're the ones putting a stick in their bike tires
@@Lordmotor Well as a minority, when you was born and live in a country(don't care which country) and dont even want to learn to speak that country's language and expect majority of population to speak magyar...you are more entitled then american feminist.
Every time I hear the words "treaty" and "Trianon" in the same sentence I start sobbing uncontrollable
Get some help
Cope
Some pate Ardealul will help🤣🤣
Least nationalist Hungarians be like:
Nice profile pic
omg big ups for using cassa loco as the outro!! great video as always my man!
You are saying multiple times that the Romanian population in Transylvania was equal to Hungarian population. Actually, the Romanians were more than double the number of Hungarians. This was recognized by the Hungarians (see Nagy Magyar Encyclopedia from 1896 - they call the Romanians by the term of "Olah").
The way i understood is that the bishop said that the romanians equaled the 3 other nations in number, so yes, there were many more romanians then there were any other single nations, but the other 3 together were as numerous as the romanians,
Cheers!
The concept of a state being based on an ethnos is quite new, and for the vast majority of European history we've had "countries" where many different people lived and they owed their allegiance to a ruling family not a government based on the people's identity.
That being said, I don't care. People will always have reasons and hates and wants and dreams, and I think it is perfectly natural for me to want old Hungarian lands to return and for a Romanian to want to keep those lands and not get cut up like Hungary was after Trianon. There is no arguing this out, we all have our point of views.
But Romania doesn't exist lmao
(Every Hungarian since 2018)
If I had a nikle for everytime a hungarian told me that...
Well by now I would buy Romania and Hungary and form a new country where everyone is equal.
Until I grow old and paranoic like all the leaders.
it's just a meme though, like Fingolia
Funniest meme in Hungary
@@nicoaramocanu7226 Danube Federation when
Yes we exist and new we are more powerfull than they are we are allso in nnato i dont think they are search on yutube what if they attacked us :)
As a transilvanian I have to say this video is surprisingly accurate. Great job Serbian friend!
You have a romanian name so you are romanian
This is the first time when I hear someone call themselves “Transilvanian”, there’s no such thing as “Transilvanian”, you are Romanian.
yes exactly Transylvania is de jure and de facto Romania, that doesnt mean that the only culture in Transylvania is Romanian, but German and Hungarian also, and i am from Transylvania also @@nothing-lf4rf
Like both peoples! Romanians are our brothers and I just returned from Hungary - loved it! A very beautiful culture for this part of Europe.
POV: hungarians from Hungary and romanians from Muntenia fight over Transylvania while hungarians and romanians in Transylvania just chill and drink a glass of palinka together.
Antun Vrancic being based:
"lmao, in Transylvania there are 3 people groups, the Hungarians, the Sekely and the Saxons... And the other half of the population which are all Romanians"
are you dumb? 70% romanians, 15% szekelies, 3%german and 12% hungariano-romanians [ETHNIC]
@@blazeromania2865 nu ai ascultat ce a zis Antun Vrancic? Nu zic nici de prezent, nici în detrimentul românilor. Ba mai mult, dacă cu toți ungurii, secuii, germanii timpului, românii erau tot jumate din populația Transilvaniei, asta afirmă de partea românilor/vlahilor că au fost primii și aveau(teoretic deși nu practic) motive evidente să dorească măcar să fie acceptați dacă nu să fie singurii conducători în Transilvania.
It's good to see there are all positive comments here. It was very different even just 10 years ago here in UA-cam. Times changing to the good direction! I visited Erdély/Transylvania in the 90's for a classmate's family. It was an adventurous, but memorable trip back then. Probable it is time to visit as a tourist with my kids now.
I think ability to have comment wars on UA-cam videos like between Hungarians and Romanian this actually helps a lot, believe it or not. I certainly learned a lot by arguing with some very well informed Romanians about this topic. Of course there are a lot of insecure nationalists, but if you are looking for the other's perspective, you can find it, which was not possible just a few decades ago.
Don't go to Quora then. There is a host of Romanian and Hungarian contributors, all erudite and of course hardcore nationalists, and virtually any answer on the topic is bound to result in a war in the comment section. It's interesting to see that self-proclaimed intellectuals tend to arouse more crude vitriol than "regular" users.
@@yarpen26 thoes are not hard-core nationalists, they are simply degenerate xenophobes. I'm romanian and I have hungarians in my family. Were I live, that's something common
Good!! Bring your kids and take photos, lots of them!! (For thr record I am not Romanian or Hungarian. Just cheering you on) :)
Couldn't be as much of a help as I would've wanted with the script, but I did leave my input
Glad this went through as this is something that isn't really covered in school and whatnot, so it is a good thing to mention around, and glad I helped even if not to the extent I wished to help
As a Romanian in Muntenia, I'm glad to see comments of hungarians and romanians living in peace with each other
Let's not let radical nationalism cause a second Romanian-Hungarian war
It's easy for you to say "let's all be friends now and not demand each other's land" while you still own the entirety of Transylvania, with Hungary not owning even a single village or town or city or castle that they built there. Now imagine if Hungary owned the entirety of Transylvania with so many Romanians living there, would you still say "let's all be friends now and not demand each other's land", or would you be adamantly demanding that Transylvania be given to Romania. I can say almost for sure you'd be the latter.
@@victory7999 idk why you act like I even have the power to do anything. I said what I said because I'm sick of seeing every single comment either bashing hungarians or bashing romanian. You come out of nowhere and say all this like I am just another nationalist or like I care about territory disputes with Hungary.
@@isg4 Of course none of us have the power to do anything about it, but I'm explaining why Hungarians won't just forget about it or accept it. Trianon was an unjust solution (a punishment of Hungary actually) and it continues to have effects to this day.
Every day that goes by, Hungary is smaller and weaker than it should be. Every day that goes by Hungarian settlements, towns, cities, castles, etc. are taken over more and more by neighbouring countries that shouldn't even have many of these. Every day that goes by the Hungarian populations in these countries declines and they are absorbed into foreign countries. The Hungarians can see their people, creations, accomplishments, etc. slowly decaying away into other countries.
And why? All because of an anti-Hungarian treaty signed over 100 years ago for the "crime" of being involved in WW1, which no other country paid as dearly for as Hungary.
As humans, we are sickened by injustice, double standards and hypocrisy. When it occurs on such a massive scale as Trianon, and when we are told to shut up and accept it, it sickens us more and causes extreme outrage. Trianon is not a one-time punishment, it is a recurring, permanent punishment of an extraordinary scale. Unless Trianon is fixed in some just way, Hungarians will never forget and never forgive for what has been done to them and their country.
You can hope that Hungarians and Romanians will get along one day, but the only ways this can be done is if the Trianon issue is somehow sorted out in a fair way for both countries, or if Hungarians just submit to and accept having their people and country shattered in the most unjust and sickening manner with a smile on their face, which is a completely unrealistic expectation, both for any country and for any individual. Trianon is like a personal, targetted attack on Hungarians and the Hungarian identity, and they're just supposed to take it with a smile on their face and forget about it like their country wasn't just destroyed?
I'm pointing out how Hungarians have every right to be angry, as they've essentially had an intruder break into their house, kill half their family, rob them, and burn down their house, and when they go to court, the court decides that the murderer is in fact innocent and the victim is blamed with killing their family and is sent to prison instead. That's how fcked up it feels to Hungarians, and either people don't care, or they think Trianon is fine.
You can't actually expect Hungarians to be friendly and nice after this, but Romanians on the other hand have no excuse for their abuse online. They have everything they could possibly want, and they still enjoy abusing the country they took it all from.
@@victory7999 I don't speak for all romanians when I say, I never saw anyone "abuse" online. If you're talking about the hoards of goblins in yt comments, they are either trolls or stupid nationalists, otherwise I have no idea.
As for "no other country paid as dearly for as Hungary", I think Germany also paid for WW1 badly enough with the impossible reparations, stupid high inflation, greatly reduced military and so on.
Of course, losing 2/3 of your territory and half of your population is pretty severe, but then again, it was french diplomats who had the major role in designing the treaty.
@@victory7999 Most Hungarians did come to terms with the changes though as many realized that it is no longer possible to restore even parts of the old territory. Also, Trianon is no longer an enforced treaty. The current configuration has been decided in 1947 at Paris.
We Romanians simply defend what is rightfully ours. Our ancestors died and shed blood for our freedom. Whether you like it or not, Trianon is the disaster that you guys created after decades of mistreating your national minorities. Keep in mind that until 1892 Transylvanian Romanians did not support unity with Romania but autonomy. When we realized that we will not get anything from the Hungarian administration, that is when we decided that unification was the only option to ensure our survival. You had 50 years time during the dual monarchy to set things right. But your concern was to assimilate others into your political nation. This backfired and Trianon happened. As long as Hungarians do not reflect on their historical mistakes and deny the mistreatment they imposed upon others, even if Trianon is revised.
Romanians do not abuse before being abused. When we see comments attacking us and promises that our land will be taken away from us, of course we become defensive.
Are you going to make an episode on Moldova and Romania ?
Might as well now that you gave me the idea
ah yes romania and moldova, the two brothers
@@bandana.man. I am Romanian,and to be honest it took me a very disturbing amount of time to realize that Moldova was fully independent
@@LivingIronicallyinEurope As a Romanian I have to warn you, this is a very dangerous topic. Tread carefully.
@@LivingIronicallyinEurope Moldova este românească!
Misunderstanding. An ancient religious conflict at the borders between Catholicism and Orthodoxy, has been repackaged by nationalist as inter ethnic divisions in Transylvania. Wrong. In reality the Orthodox Romanians were at the receiving end of all sorts of pressures to assimilate for very long. One can draw a line North South over a map of Europe and find identical cases of ‘conflicts’ all along. With Transylvania the matter was settled after two WW even if some still dream that the actual debate could be reopened
The religious conflict is one of them. Romania even in the Dacian times had cultural conflicts, the Carpathian separates Central Europe (Celtic - Craftsman), to Balkans (Hellenized tribes - Politicians) to the Steps (Sarmatians - Something).
Growing up I visited Romania a lot because my dad and his family are from Romania (my mom is Hungarian and so am I), and I loved spending time in Romania and with his family, they are like the kindest people ever and I was super close with my second cousin, we were almost like sisters
Seems everyone knows this Transylvanian Hungarian folk song , even Freddie Mercury.
ua-cam.com/video/XfKZDyboNks/v-deo.html
@@bujdososzekely ua-cam.com/video/XfKZDyboNks/v-deo.html - this tune is very Carpathian, very Vlach, Romanian. The music, not the words. It is not related to Uralic populations; it is local.
@@ionbrad6753 , this is a vlach "ruman"dance from Rumelia , Balkan
ua-cam.com/video/fJp4qr-q-mY/v-deo.html
@@ulanten892 Real Hungarian is Uralic. Present-day Hungarians are just hungarianized pre-existing european populations.
@@ulanten892 I am not using "mongols" towards present-day hungarians. I also do not think "mongol" should be an insult. Mongols are also people, you know?
However, indeed - genetic research proved the 10th century Hungarian invaders had Asian DNA.
Those "ancient hungarians" which were europeans were not .. hungarians. They were magyarized later.
1869 - first ever language census MADE BY THE HUNGARIANS
Romanians - 59%
Hungarians - 24% !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
For us Hungarians the discussion is never about who were there first, or who had majority. These are irrelevant things and we simply do not care. Eg. ants were there before and they are in higher number than Romanians but Transylvania is still not an ant's land, is it.
For us it is more important who developed, built and enriched Transylvania. Who organised it into a country/state, who built the roads, the castles, temples, who developed it culturally etc. Our biggest pain derives from the fact that Romanians do not respect that, or rather they do not even know. They claim Transylvania is theirs, it was always theirs and only theirs. They would be shocked if they knew what Hungarians made in Transylvania or even what the names of the cities mean (of course in Hungarian) as they do not have even a clue what Sebes, Medgyes (Medias), Almas and the many cities with vár, város, várad ending (Timisoara, Oradea, Hunedoara, or a Hungarian person name, tribe name in them mean. These cities, rivers, hills names talk to us. A large part of our cultural heritage stems from Transylvania. Hungarian writers, poets, painters, generals, scientists, actors and all sorts of nobel people are from that land and it is our cultural heritage. We read the novel from Jókai placed in Nagyenyed, novel from Tamási played in Hargita, we read the poems of Petőfi about the Carpatians. It is our cultural heritage. Denying that, falsifying the hystorical facts increases tensions because we feel robbed. Not just because of the land is taken but because a large part of our cultural heritage is stolen, destroyed and falsified.
Bla bla bla,keep crying
@@duxromanorum9861 you SPQR larper keep crying in this section like some rambling madman with your OC fantasy from the 18.th century.
The never ending discussion is actually the other way around... that each time I hear the same bullshit that you were the sole builders of Transylvania and that the Romanians had nothing to do with enrichening the history and the culture. Nobody denies the hungarian and saxon heritage there but you claim that Romanians have no right to claim the land and it was "stolen". Let me remind you of the Hunyadi family, Nicolaus Olahus, Mailat dinasty were all medieval history personalities of proven Romanian origin regardless of how much you deny it. All the castles and monuments were mainly build by Saxons and even what was build by austro-hungarian rulers used Romanian labor force. Speaking about the names, don't be pathetic you just translated them. Demopraghic researches always proved the Romanian majority in Transylvania. The moment you start accepting that the Trianon Treaty meant justice for all the neighboring states the better it will be for you.
@@g0blin11 Thanks but we can't view it as justice, you wouldn't see and accept it either. Also vlachs weren't always majority, but later they became that, and we are aware that some nobles had vlach origin, or that they came from one of the principality (yes even in Hunyadi's case, even if we leave the cuman origin open). Btw so much for the so called discrimination.
It would be very benefical if romanians would also accept a couple of truth.
@@Janiside what truth? Can you enlighten me, please, what are the exact origins of the Hungarians? Are they Huns, Schytes, Mongols? And from where did they come?
I realy like the melody from final. It was called hungarian folk tales and every child in Transylvania saw the stories on tv when we were little. I saw them in romanian but that melody sticks with me till today.
Wait, this cartoon was translated to Romanian? Pretty cool, sadly we never got any media of this kind out of Romania.
search "magyar népmesék". they are on youtube, with pretty good english dub
For trying to build a bridge between Saxons and Romanians and to introduce Romanian as an official language throughout the county, a Saxon pastor named Stephan Ludwig Roth was court-martialed for high treason against Hungary and was swiftly executed on 11 May 1849. In his 1842 work Der Sprachkampf in Siebenbürgen, he wrote:
"The gentlemen from the Diet in Klausenburg may have given birth to an official language, and now they rejoice, that the child was born. However we have already a language of the land. It is not German, also not the Hungarian language, but the Wallachian language! We may take measures and threaten as we like, that is the way it is, and not otherwise.
When two people of different nationalities, who cannot speak each other's language, meet, is the Wallachian language that serves as translator. No matter if one travels or goes to the market, anyone can speak Wallachian. Before one tries to see whether that one can speak German or that one can speak Hungarian, the discussion starts in Wallachian."
Thank you for posting this. I looked it up and there is more info on this on Wikipedia. This guys should be a hero in Romania but nobody knows him.
And that was the Saxons greatest mistake; now they are an ageing, dying people, strewn all over Germany/Austria/Switzerland/USA, and have no homeland anymore.
Let's see what the Norwegian writer Bjornstjerne Bjornson wrote when he refused the invitation made to him by the Hungarian Committee to attend a Congress in Budapest, the text being published in the Neue Freie Presse, Vienna, on October 19, 1907: In my youth I loved and admired the Magyar people when they were oppressed and shed bitter tears. But later, when I studied him more closely and when I became convinced of the injustices he was committing against the other nationalities living with him in Hungary, I began to detest his sovinism. I am convinced that there is no one outside Hungary who does not have the same feelings and believe me that these injustices will sooner or later lead Hungary to extinction.
What was the plan of the Magyar government, after 1918, if the victors came out:
1. The abolition of all Romanian schools, of any kind
2. The one who wants to study, to learn Hungarian. Anyone who does not present a certificate from a Hungarian school will not have citizenship rights in the country.
3. To close all Romanian theologies. All Romanians to accept the union with Rome.
4. In the administration and state offices, Romanians will be able to be admitted only on the basis of Hungarian school certificates and only in purely Hungarian regions.
5. In the Romanian regions to be employed only such teachers and instructors, who know only the Hungarian language, not the Romanian one.
So this was the project assigned to the Romanians from TRANSYLVANIA
Let's see a little about the situation of schools before 1918, in Transylvania under the jurisdiction of Hungary:
-Hungarian schools financed by the state: 2588
-Romanian schools financed by the state: 0.
There were Romanian schools financed by the Romanian community: 2302.
The number of Romanian schools was allocated to a population of approximately 3,2 million.
The number of Hungarian schools was allocated to a population of: about 1,2 million Hungarians.
Let's see the Hungarian project, published on April 15, 1932, in the Budapest newspaper "Pesti Hirlap", which was preparing, after 1918, for the situation in which the reoccupation of Transylvania by Hungary took place: "If we Hungarians reoccupy the country, the nationalities must adjust, and they will adjust, even from the first 24 hours.We will not repeat the weaknesses of Hungary another time.The Daco-Romans will have to disappear from the territory.I will kill any Wallachian who will stand in my way, he said "We will kill any of them, there will be no mercy. At night we will set fire to the Wallachian villages ... We will poison the wells and then there will be only one nationality in Transylvania, the Hungarian one."
See in a few years, after the dictatorship in Vienna, what happened to the Transylvanian Romanians.
Lol we see, they became the majority, meanwhile you Romanians terminated not just the Hunagrians, but the jews, and the germans, with your blood soaked genocidal hands.
@@gaborrajnai6213 BULLSHIT!!!
Actually in 1003 only North-Western Transylvania was conquered, the whole of transylvania was conquered by the hungarian kingdom around 1150-1200. We know this because of multiple reasons:
-The progresive migration east of the szekelys (which were the border units of the hungarian kingdom).
-The progresive migration east of the hungarian ceramic group (different from the romanian one).
-The dating of hungarian burial sites in transylviana.
-The first Voivode of Transylvania being mentioned only in 1176.
Kurt Horedt, a german historian from Transylvania, using the toponyms of kapu and gyepű (being the names used for medieval fortifications in hungarian) he concluded that the Hungarian Kingdom reached: -in 1100 Târnava Mare.
-in 1150 The Southern Carpathians
-in 1200 the Eastern Carpathians.
But due to further research the hungarian border is thought to be placed:
-Untill the reign of Ladislaus I (1077-1095) on the Deva-Orastie-Alba Iulia-Turda line.
-Probably before the end of the 11th century it reached Tarnava Mare valley.
-In the early 12th century, probably during the reign of King Coloman (1095-1116), it reached the Olt Valley.
-Probably during the reign of Geza II (1141-1161) it reached Eastern Transylvania.
The decisive reason for the earlier dating is the reaserch of the necropolis at Feldioara (Brasov county) made out of 119 graves and containing coins as early as the reign of King Stephen III (1162-1172). The western origin of the population is proven by some particularities of the funeral ritual.
mihai lupu , Saxon settlement in Transylvania ua-cam.com/video/CTDRl2n284c/v-deo.html
The valach "romanian" migration to Hungary ua-cam.com/video/9CO8xVZgASE/v-deo.html
@@bujdososzekely I dony see the relevancy of the first video and when it comes to the 2nd it makes extremely bold conclusions basicaly out of nothing.
You actually paid attention in history class. You are based and truth-pilled. That is all.
What you’re describing is the Eastward expansion of the Western style organized Kdm. Of Hungary. This has little relevance to the language spoken by the local population which again has little to do with which group they claimed they belong to. Szekelys for example may have claimed they were Bulgarian at some point but probably only in the 9’th century. Romanians claimed to be Romans, Byzantines, Vlachs, Bulgars, Moldovans, Bassarabians etc. at various times and now they say they’re Daco-Romans. Meanwhile their language only gradually evolved with most changes only in the 19’th century.
@@JM-nm3bgI can read a 500 yo Romanian document and fully understand it. What are you talking about?
Dude, you forgot something important: 7:14 talking about "Magyarisation" The City of Kolozsvár (Cluj) had at the time of Trianon in 1920 a hungarian majority of 80%, then, radical demographic change had been done by the Romanian regime, and in only 50 years, this rate changed to 30% and is only 15% today. Isn't that Romanisation too?
Exactly
HofEE52 , the "magyarisation" in Transylvania is a fals romananian propaganda !!! Before the romanian occupation in 1918 only 5% of romanian migrants in Transilvania learn hungarian language.
Isn't exactly Romanianisation, since the population of Kolozsvár/Cluj grew from 62.000 in 1910 to possibly over 400.000 in 2021. Some 20% of the Hungarian population left for Hungary in 1918-1919, while others being half-Hungarian, half-Romanian, declared themselves as Romanian. Romanianisation happened, especially during the communist era, when Hungarians outside the Szekelyland sometimes were assigned jobs in Moldavia or Wallachia, usually ending up forming families there.
@@michaelvonbiskhoff7771 in Kolozsvar (Cluj) , Transylvania 80000 hungarian demonstrated against romanian occupation on December 22. 1918. ua-cam.com/video/6NKb3G_6GIQ/v-deo.html
@@michaelvonbiskhoff7771 you are a fals romanian propagandist ? In 1918 the population in the City of Kolozsvar was 80-82% hungarian , 8% romanian , 10% jewish. The population not grew normaly to 400000 only with romanians. Was a aggressiv colonization , romanization with romanians moved from Moldova suported with apartheid romanian law which not permited for the hungarians to moving in the City of Kolozsvar. ua-cam.com/video/-yvVRHPgvGg/v-deo.html
I like how in the capital of romania, in the area where I'm living in, the people are super anti-hungarian even if they have never seen a hungarian before.
Also, great and funny video, keep up the good work!
That's my experience as well as a hungarian in Romania. I live in a mixed city, the romanians and hungarians get along around here pretty well.
Ofc I had some bad experiences regardless, but most of the hate I see are from hungarians who are not living next to romanians, and from romanians who don't live close to hungarians.
The language is still a struggle to me, but other than that it's pretty alright.
same here in budapest
@@0.2.40 The only difference is that every third people here has roots outside of the current border, so they are involved somehow and their hate is a family herritage, not a learned thing from the politics or media for example. :D
**Romania my friend.
@@gergelyhegedus8714 yeah I struggled too with the language and I just gave up
You should discuss the South Tyrol feud between Italy and Austria. It is very similar to this situation
@@mato7018 , yes the majority of romanians have balkanian way of thinking.
ua-cam.com/video/XTdEpbjGdAw/v-deo.html
Not so similar situation i think. Despite the fact that it is the richest and most authonomous region of Italy a majority of italians don´t care too much about Sud Tirol.
Can't wait to see how the comment section will turn out!
Ok
Unusual relaxed for Balkan standards until now.
At first they seemed promising, finally these people are kind to each other, i thought to myself. But then I dig deeper and the same overused offensive jokes, the same over used arguments that have literally been in the video, some people, you just can't with them
Hungarian folk tales theme tho >>>>>
It doesnt matter if youre hungarian or romanian
If one didnt watch those, he doesnt belong to Transilvania
@@horridus2842 He talk about the usage of the background music of the "hungarian folk-tales cartoon serial" in the clip...
On the topic of Transylvania, I got a joke. (Maybe you head it, maybe not).
Romania: I will build the biggest stadium in the world.
Germany: I'll give you construction material
France: I'll give you money
Romania: And you Hungary? Hoe will you contribute?
Hungary: *looks in confusion* the land wasn't enough?
Top notch video. Good content, great memes, fantastic editing.
I am a romanian, but I don't hate my neighboor who is a hungarian. In fact, he is very Kind!
You don't,but romanians from Transilvania do
@@alexrobert4339 :)))) I am from the middle of Transilvania!
@@alexrobert4339 To be honest, if I walk on the street, nobody calls me bozgor just bevause I speak hungarian. Zhe hate goes only in politics and on the internet
Just don't bring up the ownership of Transylvania.
@@ЧёнгорСиладйи given the use of Cyrillic in your name, I'd be tempted to call you bozgor... even bozgor infect ! hoping the soviet and austro-hungayrian empires stay dead and buried ! ✌
I'm Hungarian but I don't hate Romanian people at all. Nay! I have many Romanian friends. Only politics and history jump people together.
nem is kell, csak a megfelelő időpontban , helyén kell kezelni őket . állami vezetésük erősen terjeszkedő. pár hete azt találták ki hogy buda környékén is románok laktak . ami egy vicc, kettő sok történelmi hazugságot találtak ki . ahelyet hogy beválalnák hogy ez van mi kaptuk meg és kész. nem a hétkőznapi románnal van bajuk az embereknek
@@duxromanorum9861 What are your sources? Authentic maps? writings? It is difficult to accept that the national history is full of holes . You know the languages were created in 1800. written in Cyrillic letters. Are you saying it's Latin? Yeah, of course . You are not of the Ger or Roman descent . If so, so are the Hungarians: D If you want to find your ancestors, you need Albanians in the Balkans . I don't even understand why the Albanian kinship is ashamed and you want a Western European thread . I don't want to argue because. you still think i am hungarian and i just want to hurt you. therefore you treat what I say with prejudice.
Have a nice day.
We are Hungarian and we love Romanians!
Anyway, Transylvanians were the first in Transylvania. The Chinese owners of the Chinese restaurant in town are just as Transylvanian as me and my Hungarian neighbor. So is Charlie Ottley, even though he wasn't born here. Transylvanian isn't a nationality, it's just a description of where you live.
dane94 the future for Transylvania is the independence !!!
@@bujdososzekely Yes, in the year 6718 Transylvania will get independence.
Surprisingly unbiased video, thank you for that. Not many people dare to stick their hands into that hornet's nest risking to start a huge shitstorm in comment section. :) As a Hungarian, of course I'm very sad that this beautiful land doesn't belong to my country anymore, but what's done is done. We've fucked up many times in our history, loosing Transylvania is only one of the many. Now that both Romania, and we are in the EU, fortunately we all can freely visit the place, and I strongly encourage everyone to do so. It's really magically beautiful. As for the hatred, I think it's mostly fueled by the politicans of both sides. That's only sad that after more that 100 years since the Trianon decision people in Transylvania are still pawns in a political game. I think it's time to bury the hatchet and find a constructive solution which all sides can live with. For that of course we all should first start to teach facts to our children rather than propaganda. That video helps you to understand the basics in 10 minutes without either side's brainwashing. Well done. :)
I am a Romanian and i dont see any reason to hate hungarians. The thing with Transilvania is a strange topic since Transilvania was in the past 500 years or so a land of hungarians and romanians as well in different eras( even though Transilvania was a land of Dacia wich became Romania after the war with Roman imperium since 2500 or 2000 years ago, cant remember exactly, i just know my nation history but I dont exacly know your nation's history unfortunetly, all I know is that your nation migrated in Europe around 300-400 years ago, maybe im wrong). It is what it is, Moldova should normally belong to us since most of the population actually speak Romanian but it was what it was in the past. In Transilvania most of the people i know speak Romanian but there are quite a few hungarians as well. No reason to hate each other for something it happened in the past my friend. We are the same nation all of us.
Completely agree, but how can you lose something that wasn't yours initially.
Austro-Hungary was a big thing at its time, that's why transylvania went under this empire. And it was controlled by Budapest ( if you agree to this, then Austria should also have claims on transylvania right?!).
Then even if it was Austro-Hungarian land, the majority of the population was? Romanian.
History is tricky and shady, but there are a few facts. 2000 years ago transylvania moldova and Wallachia were united. From around 1000 indeed hungarian influence started to appear in transylvania ( different archeological sites proved it),but the most important at any point of time, the majority of the population were romanians.
Wow I really invite you as well to see more of the country than just Transylvania! The southern carpathians are beautiful, and are a must to be seen; places like Balea Lac, the Moldoveanu peak, the Transfagarasan. We also have the mud volcanos in Moldavia, Peles castle in Wallachia, Poenari castle; the place where Vlad the Impaler truly stayed. Additionally we have the Danube Delta, which in my opinion is the best place to be in Romania, the biodiversity there is insane.
Point being, Transylvania is beautiful, and holds many things dear to all of us, I just think it would be interesting for Hungarians to see the rest of the country as well.
@@wovemalkalivan306 Well you didn't learn your history too well. Hungarians have been in Europe for significantly longer than you Romanians. In school you learned a lot of propaganda about Dacia being Romania and Romania existing 2500 years ago which is all utterly false. Dacia existed less than 2000 years ago and was in no way Romania. It was not even a country or nation, but tribes instead. Dacians aren't Romanian anyway, only the Daco-Roman Theory says that Dacians are distant ancestors of the Romanians. Actual Romanians only appeared in Europe in the 1300s. Hungarians on the other hand came to Europe in the 800s (1200 years ago, not 300), so have been in Europe for 500 more years than Romanians. Actual modern Hungarians were therefore in Transylvania before actual modern Romanians.
Now let's ask ourselves, who had more influence in Transylvania:
-A few Dacian, barely Romanian tribesmen for maybe a few hundred years
-Or proper, modern Hungarians who owned the entire region as a part of their country for over a millenium, building all major towns, cities and castles in the area
@@stanioanfelix4481 "how can you lose something that wasn't yours initially?" Exactly! How could Romania ever 'lose' Transylvania, if it was never Romanians in the first place! Romania's only claim to Transylvania is the Dacians living there for a short time thousands of years ago, who aren't actually Romanians (the Daco-Roman Theory is just a theory, not a fact, sorry). So really Romania has no claim to Transylvania, other than the fact that many Romanians migrated there during the Ottoman wars, which is a very weak territorial claim, it's the equivalent of Polish migrant workers settling in Berlin, and then Berlin being given to Poland as a result. Oh, and btw the Romanians were the MINORITY for most of the time in Transylvania. Only after the Ottoman wars did the Romanian population actually become large and they only overtook the Hungarian population sometime in the 1800s. From about 1000 to 1800, there were more Hungarians there. And to answer your nonsense about Austria-Hungary, it's irrelevant to the discussion as Hungary owned Transylvania long before it became Austria-Hungary.
Actually , the hungarian secretary Anonymus wrote in Gesta Hungarorum that when they came here , vlachs were already living on these lands .
First of all Anonymus wrote "blak" not vlach. 2. Called vlachs many nation for example some german tribes. 3. Anonymus wrote the hungarians schythas and huns also who they are hungarian . 4. He also wrote the seklers in transylvania. So my romanian friend read more Anonyus..😉 if (you think) already the alone "source" your "history" and the other hungarian legend writer.
@@ferim.4186 its the same shit 💀in romania we say it blahi or vlahi or valahi, its literally the same shit.
@@ferim.4186 ur just an old guy whos pretty mad about this theme and a bit racist as i can see in ur other comms.
@@ciurearazvan7092 of course everything is romani...😁😁😁
@@ciurearazvan7092 Source your lies "claim" where called you blak the other historian place? 😁
🇷🇴 Ceva este etern: Transilvania,pământ românesc!"🇷🇴
Egy valami örök: erdély magyar föld
Hungarians are not from this part of The earth, they have asian genes, they are not european and their language sounds like a punishment
Much talking for something without any sense. Romanians outnumbered even close to ww2 Hungarians and Saxons combined in Transilvania and that's what matters.
Coming from a Romanian from the Carpathian Highlands with origin in those mountain villages (cătune)
Romania: Hey Hungary, wana hear a joke?
Hungary: Yeah sure!
Romania: Transilvania!
Hungary: I dont get it!
Romania: You will never get it!
Yeah, we will never get it again. Its impossible to get Transylvania back, because it was in Romanian territory for so much time that most of the people are romanian. But its probably could be an independent country where both hungarian and romanian is a must to learn language
@@lordveznan3853 Just from the logistic point of view, it would be very hard for Transylvania to become independent as it depents on the rest of the country for a lot of things (and vice versa). For example, most of the electricity in Transilvania comes from the south.
@bogdan good point, you are right.
@@bogdan9939 Lol not only electricity! I am proud of being born and raised in Cluj which has awesome economy , like if Cluj would join Hungary it would be the richest city of the country but if we would gain independence we would not be able to mantain the current standard of living .. for example Cluj would be better of with independence and Timișoara also if the independece would include Banat but the other counties would crash because Bucharest is the heartbeat of romanian economy managing alone astronomical figures like half the GDP of Hungary !
Hungary:wanna hear a joke?
Romania:sure.
Hungary:a week without political crisis.
Romania:I dont get it
Hungary:Yes you will never get it
Enjoyed your video. It's very informative, you told every important thing about the conflict, and IMO you are unbiased. 🙂
The Hungarian were first because Adam and Eva were Hungarian . Also they build the piramyds and tha wall of Hungary ( known now as chinas wall) . They were firs on the moon , N.Armstrong was also Hungarian.
Yeah, as a matter of fact, the hungarians invented Europe, before the hungarians all that was here was oga booga, real inventors
Limba lor sună ca dracu
"God is Hungarian" 😂😂😂😂
Back then, hungary controlled all of earth, but because they were so good and nice they gave people their land
We don't really hate eachother, but we have our differences.
no, I hate romanians
yes we do hate each other. Dont listen to this guy
@@kriszh The "hate" is induced by extremists, normal people get along well.
@@hungariancuman2835 why do you hate Romanians?
@@GabrielaLtcthey racist assholes with booger for a spine
He returned again with a banger
Most hogy nagy vonalakban elmagyarázta valaki külföldiül, milyen barátságosak lettek hirtelen a szőröstalpúak!
Nyasgem!
Normal people will always be decent and try to accept multiculturalism. Not the same can be said about you and many of your xenophobic countrymen.
Szorostalpuak is your mom btw
I’m a Hungarian from Hungary and I don’t understand the hate. When I hear about conflicts where Hungarian and Romanian people hurt eachother in either way I become sad and grieving.
I think we actually have similarities and we should embrace our neighbourhood, we could become so much better and stronger that way.
It is good to read the kind comments especially the ones from people from Transilvania about how they actually get along really well over there. It gives me hope ❤
It's only politics and politicians that promote this narative!!
Several times in a year I go with my family in Transilvania for hollydays amd stay at magyar people never have I had a problem!!
I just visited Hungary and Budapest and no problems!!!
Both side politicians promote this narative but we magyar and romanians don't have a problem!
Én is Magyar vagyok!
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Dudes i just saw the biggest bitreyal in history ... Poland was the first nation to recognize transilvanya as romanian land ... ANd now they are best friends with hungary ...hope the hungarian government wouldnt find out ...
top 10 anime betrayals
but where did you saw that? just curious.
@@nicoaramocanu7226 un video despre romania si polonia
@@kgh8377 stiu cumva cum se mai numeste?
Sau ai link ul?
@@nicoaramocanu7226 nu mai stiu
As a Hungarian, I have to say: WE DO NOT HATE EACHOTHER. However, especially in football, Romanian ultras and Hungarian ultras go at it like crazy (But not like French vs English, that's a much higher level)
Politically, Hungarians give a lot of support for Romanians, for example we were the only country helping them during COVID a few months ago, providing dedicated hospital space for romanians. We also give dual citizenship for those, who lost their country due to Trianon and still support them to this day (almost a million people in Romania). It is true, Romania does not really like this (and us), but hate is not really what I'd call it.
Normal citizens however, have no beef with each other, in either county.
Also a little History lesson, as I see many of you have no idea about why Hungarians joined the world wars and how did they chose sides.
Back in the days the country was badass, nuking other countries left and right and they claimed a nice home.
Few hundred years later their repeated-to-death tactic was becoming obvious, they got raped back.
They settled as being the largest European country, till the Mongols came
As you all know, the mongols raped entire Eurasia, but in Hungary they stopped and went no further.
The country was devastated, but it defended the rest of Europe.
After that, came the Turks, who also raped everyone, but stopped in Hungary. The country couldn't defend itself that much, but there were a few good wars and sooner or later it became a tie and the turks went home, cause they couldn't occupy them for that long.
And when the turks went home, in order for Europe to thank Hungary for it defending the others; came the Austrians and forced a monarchy on the country.
Long time passed and a lot of countries suffered.
Hungary again, was the first country to revolt. The succeeded. Then the Austrians went to Russia to get help and Hungarian generals got executed.
But because other countries saw they tried, they revolted as well and succeded.
Soon after that, After long-long years Austria decided Hungary can be "free" aswell, which resulted in dualism rule.
During this era Hungarians were a bit of an ass with a few of their regions (mainly Croatia and Romania), their main reason not to stay with Hungary after the first world war.
After the first world war, came the world most unfair and disgusting "peace treaty" in Trianon, taking away more than 70% of the country, resulting in many-many other countries to be "born" and many having added more than 100% to their own land.
In the first world war, Hungarians already had to join the germans, as they were "governing" from the back. The second world war, Hungarians joined the germans in the promise of getting their old lands back. Which they very much did, till the nazis lost.
And that's why the country is as it is now.
Thanks for reading!
@@akosszaraz9622 aztosztmé? :D
4:39 back in the day when the "nations" of Transylvania were defined the Hungarian word for "nation" didn't mean "people of a certain ethnicity" but rather the ethnicity of the nobility that ruled over the land, or at least what ethnicity they considered themselves. So back then you weren't part of a "nation" if you weren't part of the noble class. Now that doesn't change much about the situation itself, but it explains why Romanians weren't considered to be one of the nations in Transylvania: it's because of the etymology of that Hungarian word. But why were there no (openly?) Romanian nobles? That's a great question to jump at each others' throats about
A person of Vlach origin rising to the nobility like the Hunyadi family would be simply counted as a part of the Natio Hungarica nobility class, which had all kids of ethnic groups in it. You are correct that the words of the Bishop are not referring to peasants on the ground but nobles. The Saxons had their territorial collective liberty, and the Székelys too, where every guy from every Székely village was considered a noble in exchange for his military service, even if he was poor. Poor farmers of Hungarian or Vlach origin were equally mistreated by the nobility, with the addition that the orthodox church did not have patrons among the nobility, just the peasants.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unio_Trium_Nationum
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universitas_Valachorum
because Romanians were just immigrant workers on the lands, agriculture, and their number were not big, maybe 30% even in the 16-17th century
The Romanian nobility lost all their property if they did not convert to catholicism, they got Hungarian sounding names as well.
1:09 It's a pollitical problem, the people are nice between them... I confirm from Romania...
Nooot
Noot
Where are you from
I live in Ardeal/Erdely and I can say that here romanians and hungarians tend to hate the same both Romania and Hungary.
Can also confirm
60% Romanians hate themselfs🤣
Hungarians hate hungary? Are you sure? We all hate politicians but not the whole country?!
Transylvania need to be Transylvania, with the capitol of Cluj - Kolozsvár.
Switzerland also not left itself to a victim of a German/French battle...
David Usurelu , romanian girl burn the hungarian flag in Nagyvarad (Oradea) , Transylvania on December 30. 2018. ua-cam.com/video/_RWbQrYSnCM/v-deo.html
I don't hate Romania and Romanians. Cheers from Hungary.
Cheers! Best wishes!
@@ionbrad6753 Thanks!
This is the first I've heard of this, all I knew about Transylvania before this was Vlad Tepes/Dracula. Whatever decisions are made in the end, I just want us Eurobros to be cool to each other.
There's no decision to make nowadays, as there are only 17% Hungarians in Transylvania the case is solved.
@@RaduRadonys Yeah, bc they did not wanted to live with romanians in Transylvania, and the half of the hungarian popurality left in the upcoming years.
As a south american i thank you for videos, they are funny as hell and as the Balkans are not a common topic around here they are a really great way to learn a bit more about the region, and the sights are to die for :)
Thanks For Explaining 👍😎☕
First in Transilvania was Romania since we are the decendents of Romans and Dacians which is a fact
i dont want to come off as rude man but uh dacians died out after 280 years you literally have no stakes or claims in that land, not to mention dacians where destroyed by the romans, so if anything wouldnt that be a rogue state - again meaning you would get nothing as being a traitor would surely get you arrested or killed back then, the hungarians empire lasted quite a while longer, not to mention hungarians where also apart of the dacian population, so then if we used your logic the lands of transilvania actually belong to hungary and not romania so in theory romania has held onto land not their own?
@@tams79jt Dacians never died out after 271 AD.
In archeology, the 4th century Biertan Donarium is a clear archeological. On it is written “Ego Zenovius votum posui” (I, Zenovius, donated this). Which is proof of an early Christian dacian group.
Priscus of Panium also said that he found huts in the region, which are different from the nomads' court, the people in those regions were not nomads and their main occupation was agriculture (drawback to - shepherds and farmers as the Vlachs' main occupations later described by others), but he called these people the Scythians. Although it's not out of the question that they might have actually been the Vlachs, for the geographical location was too far south for the Scythians.
Zosimos writes in the 5th century that Theodosius II defeated the Scirians (Germanic) and Carpodacai (Dacian tribe north of the danube, who willingly became part of the Roman Empire in the 3rd century).
In 448, the Byzantine chronicler Priscus, companion of General Maximim, messenger of the Byzantine emperor Theodosius II at the court of Attilla, mentions the natives of northern Transylvania, who spoke the Ausonian language (Dacian). Priscus specifies the existence of my words and mied. Regarding the Huns, he mentions that they were a mixture of different peoples: Huns, Goths and Ausoni (Dacians). Priscus mentions the existence of an ally of Attila named Curidachus.
In 453, in the Primary Chronicle, the Vlachs are mentioned to have attented the funeral of Attila.
Byzantine writer Kekaumenos specifically states that the Romanians were “Dacians whose king Decebalus was killed by the emperor Trajan”.
My grandfather died this year. His gravestone says Bartis Eugen because the Romanian cemetery said so, even though he was known as Bartis Jenő by all his loved ones, even his Romanian wife. He could not be buried by the name he lived his entire life as. Just a normal day in Romania, if you are a minority, you don't even get to be buried on your own terms
@@duxromanorum9861 This makes me angry because this is my personal grievance, and personally affects me. My name is Ábel literally because the Romanians couldn't Romanianise more a biblical name. My great-great grandfather had to legally change names like 3 times, because the government couldn't figure out what his name was. Endre? Andrei? András?
@@duxromanorum9861 A Romanian guys' name of Zoltan Kovacs or Laszlo is the perfect example of cultural erasure. Zoltán is a pretty Hungarian name. Kovács is a definitely Hungarian name. Most people that have a Hungarian name, but is a Romanian are convinced in the Ceausescu era, that being a minority is just wrong, and they should be romanians
Show me a proud Romanian Kovacs, that had Kovacs ancestors in the 1920s, that were not Hungarian
@@duxromanorum9861 No, my argument is, that A LOT of Hungarian names were changed by the authorities during the communist era, and even those, who did not change, a lot of 2nd and 3rd generation people do consider themsrlves as Romanian, for one reason or another.
@@F1R3S74R73R I am sorry for your loss and I don't agree to what happened to your grandfather's name. I guess the Romanian authorities did what the Hungarian ones did when they were in power, when the Romanians had to give Latin names to their kids so they couldn't be maghiarized.
The name on the gravestone is the one on the official documents. My grandmother's name, who was born in 1919 , was Margit, but in offficial documents was Margareta. Before 1918 In Transylvania was a Magyarization and after that it was a Romanization.
Transilvânia is historically always been part of Southern Brazil 🇺🇾🇺🇾🇺🇾
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Guys, guys, stop arguing, Transylvania was in Bulgarian possession even before Hungary and Romania, so you know what this means.
TRANSYLVANIA IS BULGARIA
I live in your walls
Thracians were a Dacian tribe, therefore Bulgaria is Romanian clay
*//irony marker//*
@@pasaniucdaniel4112 Actually it's the other way around, the Dacians were a Thracian tribe.
Should up and give Cadrilater back
I know it's a joke, but still, nobody asked.
We hate each other, but when it is about drinking, we are brothers 😀
I don't wanna insult you, but the history that you presented to us it's irrelevant. 1) The dacians are considered a subgroup from the thracians. 2) There was 2 daco-roman wars in which Transylvania (with Oltenia and other Romanian regions) was annexed by the Roman Empire and colonized it. 3) The huns came in Europe only in the 370s, not after the forming of the dacians (as you suggested in the video). 4) From the historical perspective, there are 2 types of populations : nomadic populations and non nomadic population /native populations (who never leave their territories). The population that was on Romania was a native one. You can't assume that the natives left their own lands just because other nomadic populations settled in. In today's territories of France, Spain and even Italy, many Germanic populations (like the Franks in Galia, Vizigoths in Iberian Peninsula and later the Ostrogoths and Longobards in Italy) migrated in those territories, but the native latin population didn't migrated and the Germanic populations got assimilated (or combined , because the fusion of the barbaric/Germanic populations with the latin population happened later because of religion) by the native latin population. Same thing happened in Romania / Transylvania. The populations that came in our territories left, and the ones who remained were assimilated by the locals. If this was fake, then today we would be another Slavic nation from Eastern Europe.Plus there are sources that proves the latin population stayed in today's Romanian land.5) The magyars officially settle in the upper part of Tisza River (aka Pannonia) and later started the conquest of Transylvania. When they arrived in Transylvania, Anonymous (the columnist of King Bela) talked in his book (Gesta Hungarorum) about the administration form of Romanians and even talked about the romanian voivodeship (for example the Gelu voivodeship from the interior of Transylvania, which Anonymous mentioned that he had "both vlach(proto-romanians) and slavs as servants"). 6) As for when the conflict between the Hungarians and Romanians started, I would say in the year 1601,when Michael the Great conquered Transylvania. A good proof for this argument can be the attitude of an Hungarian historian called Szamoskozi Istvan which, before the conquest of transylvania by Michael the Brave, he was heavily supporting the that the Romans colonized dacia and that the Romanians are the descendants of Roman colonists (he written this in his book called "Analecta lapidum vetustorum et nonnullarum in Dacia antiquitatum"). But after Michael the Brave conquered Transylvania, he radically changed his mind, saying that Romanians migrated from the south part of Danube, and apparently he even called Michael the Brave a "nero-venus". I apologize for my bad English btw
Si te asteptai sa atie istoria adevarata sau ce, ca el e din voivodina parte a serbiei care are multi unguri deci nu avea rost. Nici macar un pic despre daci si razboaie nu o zis si nici de placa lui traian din orsova nimic.
@@capitanulcacaoernesto8215 Ma asteptam sa se documenteze inainte sa prezinte istoria unei regiuni, asa este normal si asa trebuie sa se procedeze .Nu prezinti o istorie anapoda cu sursa "bro trust me"
@layitsrock_Coconut Din pacate da, dar tot nu mi se pare corect sa prezinti o istorie inventată. Pare puţin a dezinformare si ti-ai lua mare critică de la istoricii adevaraţi (dacă aveau interesul să se pună la mintea persoanelor de genul ăsta)
You have as much to do with Dacians as Hungarians. If you say you are Romanised Dacians, then we just say we are Magyarised Pannonians. Everyone could do that.
@@anotherhistoryenthusiast5874 Yeah but the difference is the historical evidence that exists, and it this case, there are evidences.
And today Transylvania is more developed than both Hungary and all other parts of Romania. No one in Transylvania cares about hate coming from Bucharest or Budapest.
pride is a sin, my friend.
As a Hungarian with some Székely background I really appreciate the vid :D
I think in general everybody just wants to have options available for them in Transylvania and not be discriminated against by the other side, just coexist peacefully like they done for some time now.
But the toxic 1% on both sides has to ruin the whole discussion about rights and such with "hurrdurr big Hungary now Trianon bad no Romania >:( " at least that's what I hear here in Hungary...
We want to coexist but I think we all want to continue tradition of fighing
I am Romanian and everytime I visit the Szekely they are hostile to me.... I don't want war with them, I like and buy kurtoskalacs and potato bread from them I always buy smoked sausages and like their culture but they always seem indoctrinated and hateful towards me, how can I know my neighbours if they greet me with hateful looks and gestures, we should try and find peace not hate.We are all one I hope humanity can stop this stupid hate
Barna, how is that possible , me as romanian to go to my country and to be asked to speak hun-garian language? Many times happend to me to go in Transilvania and i couldn't buy a soda or bread because i don't speak hun-garian language. In my own country !!!!!!
@@cosmingrozav950 Exactly, they are always resentful
@@nouaranouara9939 can I go to Bucharest and buy bread in Hungarian? I don’t think so. So what gives you the right to be upset about you going into a city built by Hungarians with a Hungarian history and Hungarian majority and you can’t order in Romanian? Are you seriously surprised if they are hostile towards you? If Bucharest was part of Hungary tomorrow, would you be hostile towards Hungarians? I bet you would. Would it give me the right to demand you to speak Hungarian in Bucharest? Of course not. Instead of being upset about “your” country, how about you show a little respect and understanding.