I imagine there are a lot of unsold gen4-powered bikes out there, so maybe Bosch feels under an obligation to the manufacturers to help them sell the unsold 2024 stock at not too much of a discount by making it seem like the Gen5 isn't that much of an upgrade. Once the old stock is sold, they can bring out the software update (more torque & peak power) and top-tube screen. That's just my wild guess! Will be interesting to see what discounts are available for 2024 stock come Black Friday weekend, which is about 7 weeks away.
only a minute and a half into this video and I already love how finally someone is reading my mind, instead of creating hype of the new motor because is quieter lol...
Kudos to Bosch for being the grownup in the room and prioritizing real world rider benefits like a quieter ride, more refined response, lighter weight, more range, and easier fitment for bike makers. Their warranty/tech support and dealer network is already world class. Can’t wait to upgrade!
Very true in all regards but power is power and will dictate the market whether or not it's needed IMO. DJI is not a DIRECT threat at this moment because it's only available on one bike.
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Deep down, even if we do not admit it, we have always wanted stronger motors with the biggest and the lightest batteries possible, and here it is eventually with the DJI motor...only time will tell how much reliable it is, and for me, I would like to see it on a enduro bike. On the other hand, it is also a common secret that the majority of the riders worldwide, prefer the Bosch motor to the rest of the known motor Brands, and more and more bike Brands tend to equip their new bikes with the Bosch.And if the rumours are true with the software update raising torque to 3 digits, along with the solution of the rattle, then it is the Bosch alone against the DJI. And finally, I think Pivot is coming out with a new Shuttle LT with the Bosch, along with a new Bullit from Santa Cruz.
More power? That's not on my list of "needs" for a Bosch. Rarely do I feel the need for more power. Riding in Colorado, Washington, California, the need for more power was rarely there. Increased efficiency (range) and quieting the thing down on ratcheting and descending would be my choice
Agreed. And I don't want bicycles to blur the lines of, let alone become, e-motorbikes. We already are fighting an uphill battle against bike haters, and over-powered bikes are stealth dangers to amateur riders who just think "oh, this is great because now I can ride with the cars on the fast roads." IMO a bike that achieves a max speed above say 20-25 mph without pedaling is a motorbike and the machine should be licensed.
@@motoboggle7525 Give me some insight on what the increased power gets you? At what point does it end? I need/want to power to get up to the top and then descend with small amounts of power coming out of turns and weird run ups.
It has taken years for Bosch to develop a motor that is quiet yet powerful. Their motors have been fitted to bikes for years and every time a new generation comes out, this renders the previous model inferior. £10k bikes with noisy, jerky transmissions. Dji came along first time and threw everything they have done and others out water and kicked it into the long grass. Now playing catch up, yet still short of the new Avinox system. People will claim that they don't need more power, however I'm sure if Bosch had brought out a motor with the same specs or better than Dji, they would all be jumping for joy and raving about it. Dji nailed it first time around with a proper touch screen built in to the frame, sensors all round to control the power assistance, 120 nm and 1000 watts. With a slim 800 or 600 watt battery that keeps the frame looking better and weight down. They are a market leader with years of experience in the electronics industry, proven reliability and sales. Bosch have had to make improvements as Dji from nowhere have moved the game on. Simple as that. 👌
Totally agree👍. Bosch is a great company with a tremendous product range and proven track record. However, they should have be leading from the front and done this ages ago. I honestly think it's complacency and sitting back a little. Dji has given this market the kick up the ass it needed 👍
Yes, we've got a big round-up of 8 SL e-bikes due to go live in the three weeks or so (fingers crossed!). This includes the Orbea Rise, Santa Cruz Heckler SL, Cannondale Moterra SL, Whyte E-Lyte, Trek Fuel EXe, Specialized Turbo Levo SL, Norco Sight VLT, and Orange Phase Evo LE.
Whilst I agree that Bosch will be under pressure to pump the power up but please consider that the DJI Avinox is only available on one bike and it's a very light trail bike. So the Avinox motor is not mainstream at this point like Shimano and Bosch. Brose is prettty much exclusive to Specialized and is being boosted to 95nm etc. So Bosch has time up it's sleeves but most people tend to believe the Gen5 will get a firmware update to boost power. Considering they rebuilt the whole motor I'm sure it was rebuilt to be quiet but to also facilitate more power so I think the writing is on the wall IMO
The DJI battery is very rapid-charging according to the specs. Also Bosch is working on a new public charging standard that will bring very fast charge times.
Yes and less weight for the capacity. Solid state and partial solid state batteries get us closer. These batteries are showing up in higher end power stations right now. Hopefully, we start seeing 900Wh batteries that take 90 min charge and are the weight and size of a 600Wh.
I don't know why so many people are so focused on power - 30 to 40km rides with over 1000m climbing and I rarely go out of Trail with EMTB as my emergency bail-out. Me, I have been waiting for slack-arse manufacturers to get their shit sorted first. There is absolutely no excuse for the rubbish we have been served up for years. That motors are not waterproof is a joke. However, diving into the new motor it is obvious a redesign for not only more sensors to allow granular control and better ability for riders to customise user modes, but along with the changes to kill the rattle is a gear redesign to allow for more power. I understand that putting over 100NM though the G4 causes heat issues and something else they would not discuss - I expect possibly gear stripping issues. The new gears are much stronger, probably for an upgrade to 90NM fairly soon with a further upgrade to 95 or even 100 in a year or so. The bike I tested was not what I am going for, but I just like the feel of the motor and appreciate the 800Wh battery.
Thanks for this good video! it's true that this new DJI motor is next level compared to the others but power without control is useless, personally, I prefer to have less power and a more natural pedaling sensation than a boost in the ass. What is also interesting with DJI, beyond the motor and the data console, is the fast charging of the battery. I have not seen any articles or videos mentioning this point? do the new Bosch batteries have a fast charge? another point also, the improvement of the noise on the CX, will Bosch review the SX in the same way ?
Thanks! I would imagine the SX will get an update to the internals to get rid of the rattle, but it may take a while knowing Bosch. Bosch is working on a new public fast-charging standard that will bring significantly more rapid charging, but it's due around 2027. It's called Charge2Bike.
Apparently there is a software update coming over the next few months which will boost it to around 100 NM which does bring it close to DJI but not quite, personally I still think this will be the go to motor, a lot of people wont want the power of DJI, how much power is to much if a company brings out 140 NM is the DJI obsolete, what about 160, 200 NM’s what is the sweet spot 🤷♂ for most around 80 - 100 I would say?
@@davefreeman9347 the Pinion MGU claims 160nm... The DJI still completely rinsed it. Torque figures for EMTBs are nonsense as there's no standardised test for it.
"how much power is to much"....everyone has their own answer...there is NO universal sweet spot If you are looking to help you up hills, than you'll be happy with 200w/50Nm mid-power motor...if you want a quiet motorcycle than an 80 Hp Stark Varg is for you. There are potentially millions of riders & each has their own wants & needs so the more choices the better. Coming from a motocross background, I can't have too much. I have a 2300w/250Nm Bafang M620 based bike which is capable of 40 mph. I love it, but it would be useless to someone only riding tight technical trails who never exceeds 15 mph.
@@Tumid1 very interesting point of view I also come from a motocross background and I’ve just dipped my toe into ebiking and have a Trek Fuel EXe with the HPR 50 motor and find that is enough for me as I’m only looking for a little help getting up the climbs
As far as we know, Pivot hasn’t updated the Shuttle with the new CX motor. It only has the last generation CX. That bike in the video was likely a prototype with adaptors for the motor mount.
we got to see the IP water testing machine at Bosch HQ and they're not messing around with it. It's a serious piece of kit. So hopefully the answer is yes! But I guess it also depends to a degree on how bike brands package the system in their frames.
Having spent some time on the dji, i have drastically reduced the power and still consumes far more power than the bosch. The power is insane, but not always usable and at the cost of rapid discharge.. Still amazing bit of kit tho
The dji needs to be turned way down to match the Bosch power but ofc you have the option to do that you cant turn a Bosch up . far better to have too much power and turn it down to suit your needs than not enough. Amputees will be cheering DJI has thrown down the gauntlet , just wait till DJI is spread through the market and has cheaper Merida style options , Bosch is not yet in trouble but needs to react with that better display that is coming soon and better less Tractor controls to maintain their popularity. Gen 5 is a clear step forward but only a small step as we are already wanting Gen 6
@@CarkeekWhow reliable is the DJI motor? What happens at a river crossing? How will it handle UK winters? They are not used to making products that splash around in mud are they? Which motor is going to handle these adverse conditions better? Guaranteed DJI has no idea how bad the conditions are since they are a company that don’t know much about mountain biking
The Screen and the size of it behind the handlebars IMO is the best possible position for it on an emtb. I hate looking down on the downtube, it takes away the focus on riding, and feels dangerous at speed.
Other negatives for the DJI is range per watt hour is lower, and the frame is very stiff and lacks compliance. For me the million dollar question is what motor system will be on the new Gen 4 Levo, as many manufacturers are tied into the Bosch ecosystem, and Specialized will certainly have done their homework on what to upgrade their bikes with, in regards to the motor, battery, display and auto shift integration. As much as everyone wants a MGU type solution, there are good reasons we still have Derailleurs, nothing beats it still, for weight and efficiency.
Silence is golden. Yes once you have a near silent bike why would I pay heaps for grinds and rattling. As an example the coffee grinder sound of the MGU would kill the joy of Emtb for me. I've updated my 2018 super silent, smooth and powerful 1.3 Brose Levo with a Rohloff manual change hub,170 mm Fox 38's 150mm cranks, 9piont8 steering head slacker kit + fox DPX2 shock. The silence is golden and goodbye derailleurs for me. A brand new spare sealed, updated motor and two 500wh batteries are the go for me.Going backwards with updates gives me what I want until they can come up with something as silent , smooth and reliable. Weight doesn't really matter for me as I am only 63kg .E=mtb²
Am I the only one that does not care about 120NM motor? I mean 80-90NM is already plenty. I just want a lighter, more efficient and more reliable motor. Also a touch screen on an e-bike seems pointless to me.
100% Waterproof motors we need, not more power 😂 Components don't last long with 85nm, so anything pumping out more will not only rinse through parts quicker.. but will also break after 6 months of British wet weather riding 😂😂
I think Bosch has taken all factors into consideration for balancing power, ride feeling quality , power delivery, efficiency of battery usage and just as important something that seldom gets mentioned is drive train wear. I have had three full power e-bikes and they all eat through chains and cassettes and front rings. If you are RACING all mountain and enduro e-bikes the power then becomes the most important factor, but for normal all mountain and enduro riding all the motor brands in that 80 - 90NM 600W peak range provide plenty of grunt to ride virtually anything. Yes the higher the power the faster you can get up the climbs BUT you better be prepared and accept the expense of lots of chain replacements / snaps (especially on 12 speed), front ring and cassette replacements. I am a light weight rider and go through these parts constantly (especially 12 speed chains 2 - 3 in a 7-8 month ride season in BC Canada ). Bosch has looked at all the factors and have stated that to get the best balance of factors is leaving the power at the current level all this. Also there is no need for them to add more power to this motor as they have the extra powered Bosch RACE motor available for those that are RACING or are heavy riders and need to prioritize power over all other factors.
Only number of relevance is how long is motor warranty which indicates how long their engineers expect it to last. Not watching the rest of this shit .. first number should be warranty and everything else is nice to have
Coming from dirt bikes with up to 125 HP, that’s 92,000 watts) instantly on tap I find this ridiculous. Quiet, tuned, reliable, LIGHT weight, good range are the holy grail with E-MTB in MHO.
New motor has a lot less drag over the limit. It completely disconnects from the gearbox. Spin the chainring backwards and it rotates for half a turn, whereas the gen 4 had to be forced to rotate backwards.
I imagine there are a lot of unsold gen4-powered bikes out there, so maybe Bosch feels under an obligation to the manufacturers to help them sell the unsold 2024 stock at not too much of a discount by making it seem like the Gen5 isn't that much of an upgrade. Once the old stock is sold, they can bring out the software update (more torque & peak power) and top-tube screen. That's just my wild guess! Will be interesting to see what discounts are available for 2024 stock come Black Friday weekend, which is about 7 weeks away.
only a minute and a half into this video and I already love how finally someone is reading my mind, instead of creating hype of the new motor because is quieter lol...
Kudos to Bosch for being the grownup in the room and prioritizing real world rider benefits like a quieter ride, more refined response, lighter weight, more range, and easier fitment for bike makers. Their warranty/tech support and dealer network is already world class. Can’t wait to upgrade!
Very true in all regards but power is power and will dictate the market whether or not it's needed IMO. DJI is not a DIRECT threat at this moment because it's only available on one bike.
Deep down, even if we do not admit it, we have always wanted stronger motors with the biggest and the lightest batteries possible, and here it is eventually with the DJI motor...only time will tell how much reliable it is, and for me, I would like to see it on a enduro bike. On the other hand, it is also a common secret that the majority of the riders worldwide, prefer the Bosch motor to the rest of the known motor Brands, and more and more bike Brands tend to equip their new bikes with the Bosch.And if the rumours are true with the software update raising torque to 3 digits, along with the solution of the rattle, then it is the Bosch alone against the DJI. And finally, I think Pivot is coming out with a new Shuttle LT with the Bosch, along with a new Bullit from Santa Cruz.
I rode it today, I will have a test out this week hopefully.....
I personally like 85-90, feels plenty.
With the 800wh battery and getting rid of the rattle I think they have done the right thing.
Yes, all going in the right direction. And the ride quality is the real story, but doesn't make for eye-catching headlines!
More power? That's not on my list of "needs" for a Bosch. Rarely do I feel the need for more power. Riding in Colorado, Washington, California, the need for more power was rarely there. Increased efficiency (range) and quieting the thing down on ratcheting and descending would be my choice
Which they have done! 👍
Well it is for most people
Agreed. And I don't want bicycles to blur the lines of, let alone become, e-motorbikes. We already are fighting an uphill battle against bike haters, and over-powered bikes are stealth dangers to amateur riders who just think "oh, this is great because now I can ride with the cars on the fast roads." IMO a bike that achieves a max speed above say 20-25 mph without pedaling is a motorbike and the machine should be licensed.
@@motoboggle7525 Give me some insight on what the increased power gets you?
At what point does it end?
I need/want to power to get up to the top and then descend with small amounts of power coming out of turns and weird run ups.
Danny.. I know you love the new Bosch, come on! haha cheers guys!
It's true!
It has taken years for Bosch to develop a motor that is quiet yet powerful. Their motors have been fitted to bikes for years and every time a new generation comes out, this renders the previous model inferior. £10k bikes with noisy, jerky transmissions.
Dji came along first time and threw everything they have done and others out water and kicked it into the long grass. Now playing catch up, yet still short of the new Avinox system.
People will claim that they don't need more power, however I'm sure if Bosch had brought out a motor with the same specs or better than Dji, they would all be jumping for joy and raving about it.
Dji nailed it first time around with a proper touch screen built in to the frame, sensors all round to control the power assistance, 120 nm and 1000 watts. With a slim 800 or 600 watt battery that keeps the frame looking better and weight down. They are a market leader with years of experience in the electronics industry, proven reliability and sales.
Bosch have had to make improvements as Dji from nowhere have moved the game on. Simple as that. 👌
Everything you say is true, but equally most of it has been done before. It’s just DJI has put it all together in one package.
Totally agree👍. Bosch is a great company with a tremendous product range and proven track record. However, they should have be leading from the front and done this ages ago. I honestly think it's complacency and sitting back a little. Dji has given this market the kick up the ass it needed 👍
100%
I want all that DGI has to offer on my Wild!
Are you going to be doing your yearly round up of the best emtbs? Always interested to see your reviews.
Yes, we've got a big round-up of 8 SL e-bikes due to go live in the three weeks or so (fingers crossed!). This includes the Orbea Rise, Santa Cruz Heckler SL, Cannondale Moterra SL, Whyte E-Lyte, Trek Fuel EXe, Specialized Turbo Levo SL, Norco Sight VLT, and Orange Phase Evo LE.
Whilst I agree that Bosch will be under pressure to pump the power up but please consider that the DJI Avinox is only available on one bike and it's a very light trail bike. So the Avinox motor is not mainstream at this point like Shimano and Bosch. Brose is prettty much exclusive to Specialized and is being boosted to 95nm etc. So Bosch has time up it's sleeves but most people tend to believe the Gen5 will get a firmware update to boost power. Considering they rebuilt the whole motor I'm sure it was rebuilt to be quiet but to also facilitate more power so I think the writing is on the wall IMO
Key to future success - faster charging of the batteries. Charge to full in approximately 60 minutes is the real game maker.
The DJI battery is very rapid-charging according to the specs. Also Bosch is working on a new public charging standard that will bring very fast charge times.
Yes and less weight for the capacity. Solid state and partial solid state batteries get us closer. These batteries are showing up in higher end power stations right now. Hopefully, we start seeing 900Wh batteries that take 90 min charge and are the weight and size of a 600Wh.
@@MBRmagazine Is it one of the new solid state batteries I have be drewling over for the past 6 months in powerstations?
In the DJI battery? No, just 21700 cells like the Bosch.
Bosch makes the best power drills, and they also make great power drills. If you want a good power drill, can't go wrong with Bosch. 😂
By this ethos there will soon be a Dewalt EMTB 🤪
@@mattshepherd3412 I hope not, poor battery life
I don't know why so many people are so focused on power - 30 to 40km rides with over 1000m climbing and I rarely go out of Trail with EMTB as my emergency bail-out.
Me, I have been waiting for slack-arse manufacturers to get their shit sorted first. There is absolutely no excuse for the rubbish we have been served up for years. That motors are not waterproof is a joke.
However, diving into the new motor it is obvious a redesign for not only more sensors to allow granular control and better ability for riders to customise user modes, but along with the changes to kill the rattle is a gear redesign to allow for more power. I understand that putting over 100NM though the G4 causes heat issues and something else they would not discuss - I expect possibly gear stripping issues. The new gears are much stronger, probably for an upgrade to 90NM fairly soon with a further upgrade to 95 or even 100 in a year or so. The bike I tested was not what I am going for, but I just like the feel of the motor and appreciate the 800Wh battery.
Thanks for this good video! it's true that this new DJI motor is next level compared to the others but power without control is useless, personally, I prefer to have less power and a more natural pedaling sensation than a boost in the ass. What is also interesting with DJI, beyond the motor and the data console, is the fast charging of the battery. I have not seen any articles or videos mentioning this point? do the new Bosch batteries have a fast charge?
another point also, the improvement of the noise on the CX, will Bosch review the SX in the same way ?
Thanks! I would imagine the SX will get an update to the internals to get rid of the rattle, but it may take a while knowing Bosch. Bosch is working on a new public fast-charging standard that will bring significantly more rapid charging, but it's due around 2027. It's called Charge2Bike.
More power is not what we need, more efficiency would be great!
Apparently there is a software update coming over the next few months which will boost it to around 100 NM which does bring it close to DJI but not quite, personally I still think this will be the go to motor, a lot of people wont want the power of DJI, how much power is to much if a company brings out 140 NM is the DJI obsolete, what about 160, 200 NM’s what is the sweet spot 🤷♂ for most around 80 - 100 I would say?
@@davefreeman9347 the Pinion MGU claims 160nm... The DJI still completely rinsed it. Torque figures for EMTBs are nonsense as there's no standardised test for it.
There are probably significant drivetrain losses through the Pinion system.
@@TheAegisClaw very valid point 👍 I still think a lot of people may not want the extreme power of the DJI I maybe wrong but time will tell 🤷♂️
"how much power is to much"....everyone has their own answer...there is NO universal sweet spot If you are looking to help you up hills, than you'll be happy with 200w/50Nm mid-power motor...if you want a quiet motorcycle than an 80 Hp Stark Varg is for you.
There are potentially millions of riders & each has their own wants & needs so the more choices the better. Coming from a motocross background, I can't have too much. I have a 2300w/250Nm Bafang M620 based bike which is capable of 40 mph. I love it, but it would be useless to someone only riding tight technical trails who never exceeds 15 mph.
@@Tumid1 very interesting point of view I also come from a motocross background and I’ve just dipped my toe into ebiking and have a Trek Fuel EXe with the HPR 50 motor and find that is enough for me as I’m only looking for a little help getting up the climbs
At the end of the video when listing the bikes, you forgot to mention the new Pivot you kept showing videos of.
As far as we know, Pivot hasn’t updated the Shuttle with the new CX motor. It only has the last generation CX. That bike in the video was likely a prototype with adaptors for the motor mount.
@@MBRmagazine Pivots gonna launch their Shuttle LT with Bosch Race motor (yup, gen 4) in about 6 days, but you didn't hear this from me 😉
Are they waterproof this time around?
we got to see the IP water testing machine at Bosch HQ and they're not messing around with it. It's a serious piece of kit. So hopefully the answer is yes! But I guess it also depends to a degree on how bike brands package the system in their frames.
@@MBRmagazine yay!
Having spent some time on the dji, i have drastically reduced the power and still consumes far more power than the bosch.
The power is insane, but not always usable and at the cost of rapid discharge..
Still amazing bit of kit tho
The dji needs to be turned way down to match the Bosch power but ofc you have the option to do that you cant turn a Bosch up . far better to have too much power and turn it down to suit your needs than not enough. Amputees will be cheering DJI has thrown down the gauntlet , just wait till DJI is spread through the market and has cheaper Merida style options , Bosch is not yet in trouble but needs to react with that better display that is coming soon and better less Tractor controls to maintain their popularity. Gen 5 is a clear step forward but only a small step as we are already wanting Gen 6
@@CarkeekWhow reliable is the DJI motor? What happens at a river crossing? How will it handle UK winters? They are not used to making products that splash around in mud are they? Which motor is going to handle these adverse conditions better? Guaranteed DJI has no idea how bad the conditions are since they are a company that don’t know much about mountain biking
@@mtbmike9866 I don't know of any motors that handle a swamp other than actual motorbikes
The Screen and the size of it behind the handlebars IMO is the best possible position for it on an emtb. I hate looking down on the downtube, it takes away the focus on riding, and feels dangerous at speed.
If the DJI is reliable and well backed up your gonna see the other brands at huge discounts as there all poor in comparison?
That’s the million dollar question.
Other negatives for the DJI is range per watt hour is lower, and the frame is very stiff and lacks compliance. For me the million dollar question is what motor system will be on the new Gen 4 Levo, as many manufacturers are tied into the Bosch ecosystem, and Specialized will certainly have done their homework on what to upgrade their bikes with, in regards to the motor, battery, display and auto shift integration. As much as everyone wants a MGU type solution, there are good reasons we still have Derailleurs, nothing beats it still, for weight and efficiency.
Have you ridden the DJI? I wouldn’t agree about the stiffness and compliance. But you’re right about the MGU. I’m not sure it’s the panacea.
Silence is golden. Yes once you have a near silent bike why would I pay heaps for grinds and rattling. As an example the coffee grinder sound of the MGU would kill the joy of Emtb for me. I've updated my 2018 super silent, smooth and powerful 1.3 Brose Levo with a Rohloff manual change hub,170 mm Fox 38's 150mm cranks, 9piont8 steering head slacker kit + fox DPX2 shock.
The silence is golden and goodbye derailleurs for me. A brand new spare sealed, updated motor and two 500wh batteries are the go for me.Going backwards with updates gives me what I want until they can come up with something as silent , smooth and reliable. Weight doesn't really matter for me as I am only 63kg .E=mtb²
Bosch have been caught completely flat-footed by DJI. They've got some serious catching up to do.
They have to be worried!
I am happy with current gen 4 power. Going downhill is still more fun than going uphill with more power.
May as well call this the eMBR show, I don’t remember the last time you had an episode that wasn’t mainly talking about watts and newtons.
What about the Heckler and Bronson in the last shows?
Am I the only one that does not care about 120NM motor?
I mean 80-90NM is already plenty. I just want a lighter, more efficient and more reliable motor.
Also a touch screen on an e-bike seems pointless to me.
100% Waterproof motors we need, not more power 😂 Components don't last long with 85nm, so anything pumping out more will not only rinse through parts quicker.. but will also break after 6 months of British wet weather riding 😂😂
I think Bosch has taken all factors into consideration for balancing power, ride feeling quality , power delivery, efficiency of battery usage and just as important something that seldom gets mentioned is drive train wear. I have had three full power e-bikes and they all eat through chains and cassettes and front rings. If you are RACING all mountain and enduro e-bikes the power then becomes the most important factor, but for normal all mountain and enduro riding all the motor brands in that 80 - 90NM 600W peak range provide plenty of grunt to ride virtually anything. Yes the higher the power the faster you can get up the climbs BUT you better be prepared and accept the expense of lots of chain replacements / snaps (especially on 12 speed), front ring and cassette replacements. I am a light weight rider and go through these parts constantly (especially 12 speed chains 2 - 3 in a 7-8 month ride season in BC Canada ).
Bosch has looked at all the factors and have stated that to get the best balance of factors is leaving the power at the current level all this. Also there is no need for them to add more power to this motor as they have the extra powered Bosch RACE motor available for those that are RACING or are heavy riders and need to prioritize power over all other factors.
Only number of relevance is how long is motor warranty which indicates how long their engineers expect it to last.
Not watching the rest of this shit .. first number should be warranty and everything else is nice to have
Standard Bosch two years as far as we know. Same as most of the popular motors like Brose and Shimano.
There is better
Coming from dirt bikes with up to 125 HP, that’s 92,000 watts) instantly on tap I find this ridiculous. Quiet, tuned, reliable, LIGHT weight, good range are the holy grail with E-MTB in MHO.
Clutch/freewheel above 15.5 mph to reduce drag and range improvements would be my preference. More power is not really necessary in my opinion. 🫡👍
New motor has a lot less drag over the limit. It completely disconnects from the gearbox. Spin the chainring backwards and it rotates for half a turn, whereas the gen 4 had to be forced to rotate backwards.
@@MBRmagazine That's really interesting to hear. Does this translate in to being easier to pedal past 15.5 mph?
Yes, absolutely. You’ve still got the extra mass of an ebike, so it still feels sluggish to accelerate though.