My ancestor was a "potato famine orphan" bought to Australia with her sister in the Earl Grey program. She married and her husband bought her mum and youngest sister here at a later date. Thank you for your video.
It was hard to push 'like', not because of the quality of this great video, but the sorrow and horror that must have been on those poor girls. Thank you for your historical perspective.
It never ceases to amaze me how cruel Humanity can be and those poor girls going to a strange country only to be treated so badly!! Shame on all the countries that were involved.
My great great grandfather was sent out in 1800 to Australia on the Minerva a rebel convict ship after the 1798 rebellion in Ireland.His wife was with him and she died in childbirth not long after arriving in Sydney . He was supposed to have been descended from an Ancient Irish Norman/Welsh/Irish knights family and there is a castle in Ireland Enniscorthy castle..Little is known of his 1st wife Catherine but her son survived, my great great grandfather and was brought up by a selected convict servant who then had 4 more children with my GG Grandfather. The Grandfather was able to purchase acres of land in the now Campbelltown area and later Windsor where he successfully managed to farm. The boys all grew to own farms/properties as well and later went to the Monaro region where they had hundreds of acres and are still farming there through thick and thin. They were the original legendary Snowy Mountain men known for their horsemanship skills. Another of my grandfathers came from the Munster region of Island Tipperary a well known rebel region.All were very proud of their Irish heritage and preserved their Irish culture as best they could. They even contributed to donating land to the Catholic church to build schools/churches and to the Saint Marys Cathedral in Sydney.
Thank you for this well researched piece. For 2 years I worked at Virgo Fidelis Church (Upper Norwood, London) in their archiveing department. The kind nuns welcomed many orphaned children and provided bed, board, schooling and spiritual nourishment to these little souls. I'm so sad to think of any child in any era being mistreated. You've educated me today, thank you Sir.
@@eunicestone838 Do some research into the context of the history of the times. The expected practices of the day, the lack of money and rampant starvation and disease. Lack of medical etc etc Maybe a more extensive story to be told.
A great true Documentation of the poor Irish Workhouse girls exported ,exploited in every way to lead an evermore dreadful existence in foreign countries, it shows again fate and difference between rich and poor. And this unfairness cries to high heaven... Living ,but not born in Australia I have many friends of Irish decent..all very proud Nowadays , of their ancestry those are the Ones who's ancestors managed to survive.. I am glad they did, as they have a great sense of humour as my late husband did) Many regards and a great Thank you for your great contributions Many regards from Western Australia 🦘🦘🦘
The English 1% leave me horrified. So cunning and brutal 💔😔 Thank you sir and be blessed 4 sharing these stories and people with us 💞 This is our history and we need to be taught these things in school. The world would see the 1% 👺 If you don't know what the poor house is... look it up... blew my mind 💔
Although I had read a lot about the Great Hunger, I had been unaware of this aspect, but it makes perfect sense, just like Gladstone paying for his half starved half naked tenants to be dumped in Canada ( cheaper and more open than the US). Let us get rid of the 'unproductive'. I am half Irish and brought up in England and what amazes me is that this is never taught in English schools, and according to my cousins not so much in Irish schools. I think if it was it would create more understanding which might lead to more reconciliation and mutual respect, our histories are so entwinned we need this.
Thank you so very much for this tragic and brutal history lesson. I adore history and recently have been studying the plight of women and girls through out the ages. This story broke my heart, I can only imagine the fear of those poor girls. Awful, just awful.
There is no doubt that this is a sad and shameful chapter. The plight of the English poor was also pretty abismal. The good old days were only good for the rich. Even the swiss and swedish were escaping famine The magdeline sisters come to mind and the complicity of the Catholic church.
Their families neglected them and some brave people tried to help and now are being blamed for not being numerous enough or rich enough?! The famine period was the genocide period while Britain fed off of Ireland’s misery.
@@djchiesa3567 What do you mean by only if they were black? Nobody gives black people anything. Black people worked on the slave plantations for more than 400 years for nothing. Most of Africa's natural resources were exploited by Europeans. So, when you make statement like this make sure that you have your facts.
@@keepitreal888-gnc I do and I have. Look at the welfare stats, look at the generational indoctrination of welfare, expectations of free money and refusal to take responsibilities for their illicit actions while glorifying sex, drugs and guns through violent rap music oh and lets not forget the fine talents of twerking.
Such a sad and tragic and enraging piece of history. My grandmother Conway spoke of twin cousins in who managed to escape Australia and return to Ireland. They were very fearful when they returned and spent the rest of their days living with each other and refusing to talk above a whisper to anyone but each other. They also had a baby with them when they returned. Neither twin claimed him. He was raised by other family members. It’s a very sad story. It should never have happened. For the life of me I can’t understand why it did. We also have stories of cousins more recently who were brutally treated by the Christian Brothers who ran their school. And this was just day school. And everyone knew about it but no one said anything. My uncles make jokes about the Irish knowing how to take a beating. They laugh and recount horror stories. It renders me speechless. If anyone treated my son the way my uncles were treated they’d have met with an untimely end. I may be small but I am scrappy. Where was this protectiveness from other parents?! It’s a baffling piece of my history and I’m grateful someone is shining a light on it.
@@RD85010 Exactly! The Irish clung to the Catholic faith and to its hierarchy to stick it to the queen and king and to the British more generally. Just as the Poles did when they were dominated by the USSR. And the Irish maintained a very childlike position in their relationship with the Catholic hierarchy, completely obedient and un- questioning. the Irish were finally freed from British domination and got their own independence, but they remained childlike with the Catholic hierarchy until the terrible scandals came forward of all of the abuse that children and families received at the hands of priests and nuns, and they’ve grown up now, separated and declared their autonomy from the church. they’re adults and they can make up their own minds-it’s a wonderful thing!
The remains of 215 Indigenous children were recently found near a Indian Residential School which operated from 1863 to 1996 in Canada, youngest was 3....mass burial no records kept. The Catholic Church has much to answer for. Absolutely appalling....
English orphans were also sent to the colonies. One of my neighbours who had been put into Dr Barbados at age 5 by her mother (after she discivered her father was a bigamist) was to be sent out at age 12. This was 1932. But her mother took her back home. The children were often as badly treated as these Irish children. The picking of oakum was standard work in English workhouses as well.
Thank you for this enlightening and disturbing story. I am a Canadian of Irish descent and had not heard of the workhouse orphans before this. I will endeavor to discover more about the poor girls sent to Canada, and of what happened to them after their arrival.
There is a section in a museum in Sydney dedicated to these young Irish girls who were sent to Australia as domestic servants, and wives (there was a shortage of women in the colony and many were selected to be married to protestant etc bachelors.) They are are depicted that many of these girls were desired as useful as they were clean, obedient and good workers. This may have been the fate of some but not all. Thank you for a more accurate and realistic account to that history of these girls than is being fully told in Australian museums.Just another bit of hidden history by English revised rewritten ignored or sanitized Australian history.The history and contribution of the Irish in Australia is indeed significant, much as the English Establishment have tried to cover it up. You won't hear of this Irish history being told in History lessons in Australian schools.
Such a dark history of past. Never to late to see and heard, and so, could learn and not repeated like this horrible event. God blessed, those children.
Hello Dermot, Thank you. I really learnt a lot. Your article confirms a lot of things in the story of my ancestors. My 2nd great grandmother, Margaret, and her sister Ellen Green came to Australia separately from Tipperary, probably from a workhouse. Their parents were farmers who died during the famine in Tipperary. Margaret and Ellen were both in their twenties and free settlers. Margaret arrived in 1852, at Moreton Bay in Queensland, and her life turned out differently. She was employed as a servant for a man who later became a politician. Within two years, she married a Scottish settler, and they were farmers, and had six surviving children. I'm sure she worked hard raising her children, and working on the farm. Overall, I think that Margaret was happy. Ellen's life was miserable in comparison, sadly. Ellen Green was heavily pregnant when she arrived in Sydney in September 1849, on the ship "Sea". She was taken immediately by steamer to a Parramatta institution. It was near the female factory, which was the jail for convicts. By November 1849, Ellen had given birth to a little girl, Elizabeth Palmer. She stated on the Baptism record that she was a single woman residing at Parramatta, and gave the child's father's full name, on the child's baptism record. The father, James Palmer was a constable in Ireland. Then she registered the birth as Mrs Palmer. Who was to know? In September 1850, Ellen Green married James Lee, a labourer, and they didn't seem to leave the Parramatta area. She had five or more children, and they were poor, and they just couldn't provide for their children. Her husband was placed in lunatic asylum in 1856. Ellen was still alive, and had the children placed in an orphan school at Parramatta. Then with one child in tow, she was charged in February 1862 with keeping a brothel. She pleaded guilty, and was sentenced to 12 months hard labour at Parramatta jail. I can't seem to find out what happened to her after that. It's a sad story, and it confirms a lot of things that you mentioned. Thanks again
I am aware of a friend in New Zealand who researched her fmaily tree and found a young woman was listed by her firstname only as being an orphan sent out from Waterford.
Hi James,thank you for your comment.yes there were many young girls sent from Waterford to Australia, Canada and the United States whose fates we will never know about.we can only hope that after a generation or two the lives of their descendants were improved.
All this history ..people are so mean spirited. I cannot imagine treating others (children too !) Like this ! Hurts my heart. Thank you for this information.
My great great grandmother was an orphan girl, she arrived in Western Australia. We have a monument I Perth for the famine orphans. My gg grandmother married a lovely man and they had 9 children. But her eyes show her trauma even as a young woman. She finished her life by drinking strychnine whilst all the children were in the room. Her oldest was 13 years old. Her sister arrived with her but did not marry for about five years after she arrived, but Catherine married soon after arrival. She suffered and suffered to the end.
What was her original name? do you know which part of Ireland she came from and what ship she travelled on. I have recently come across some girls on the Ship Sorbonne, who were stripped to the waist and flogged on board the ship. Send me your email and Ill send you on the article I wrote about the Orphans. My email is dermotpower@email.com
Irish slaves were the first slaves in America they were called Red Legs due to sunburn working outside. Same in Australia. No one talks about white slavery
I believe that the tag Indentured Servant was a convenient tag to put on the Irish that were transported by the English during the 1600's. The were in fact all but in name "Slaves". their descendants like the Red Legs that were mentioned, formed an underclass in the lands to which they were sent, and where their descendants remain to this day.
Thanks for putting together a well researched video. It helps to put some context on my Irish ancestors who came to Australia over those years. We've always been told they came here too escape starvation. I've subscribed and anticipate some really interesting viewing. Thanks again.
My great grandmother was an Irish orphan. She was 18 years old when she and her 16 year old sister arrived in Sydney on the ship the Thomas Arbuthnot featured in the book "A Decent set of Girls." They were fortunate to have a caring doctor who educated and helped them find suitable positions mostly in rural areas. Irish orphans are still remembered in local towns to this day. It is sad to think that so many suffered at that time.
Canada’s bishops are expressing their “deepest sorrow” and pledge to “continue walking side by side” with Indigenous people in the wake of the discovery of the bodies of 215 children buried at the site of a former residential school in Kamloops, B.C. The Tk'emlúps te Secwépemc First Nation reported the “unthinkable loss” on May 27 that was “never documented” at the former Kamloops Indian Residential School. The school, funded by the federal government, was run by the Catholic Church from 1890 until 1969 before being shut down in 1978. NOW WHERE DID I HEAR THAT BEFORE? OH YEAH IT WAS IRELAND!!!!.It never stops.
The government here in Canada is using the Church as a scapegoat. Not that the church was innocent, but they were running residential schools at the behest of the government. If the government was unaware of any of the goings on, it was a matter of either willful blindness or the most gross incompetence, or quite possibly both.
Thank you for your interest, enlightening and tragic story about these poor unfortunate girls. It was very hard to watch because of how incredibly sad all of it was. I’m generally not the teary type but, l found myself crying for these girls who are long gone and who’s lives were basically a living hell.
Believe my grandma was one of these girls, grandpa had a farm & she always had something to eat for those who were hungry during the depression they might have done some chores in return. No smoking in the barn.
And we are incredibly lucky that this extreme class system and it’s nefarious orchestrators are no more! Yet it’s affects still ripple through the generations 😔
Yes Cass, it is sometimes extremely difficult for me to absorb the hurt that was endured by so many Irish during the 19th cent. and beyond. It does affect you.
@@waterfordviking1 But you are such beautiful people ❤️, I'm Irish, Scot and English. I feel everybody's pain... inhumanity to humans seems inescapable. I'm a Christian, and I was transfixed by your narrative and research. Thank you. I love knowing I'm 1/4 IRISH! Wild at HEART💖🙋 Lisa Rae Rousseau 🤗💯❤️
Two books I have read were a shocker and I suggest them. They were white and they were slaves and white cargo. Those books are very enlightening on how Irish were treated and yet, it isn't spoken of much if at all in most societies.
T.D.Magee married an ancestor of mine. He was basically assisted simply because he was an advocate for the poor, and those treated unjustly. He also had a notion that the wealthy should be helping the poor. He suggested that the well-off could be taxed, and the tax dollars be used to assist the unfortunate. Basically it is the social services (welfare) system that we know today in Canada.
The US was also the English gulag till the war of independence and no more prisoners (mostly Irish ) convicts were allowed to be sent there. That's why the Colony in NSW Australia was established as an alternate colony to take the convicts from England etc instead.
Sad and interesting.People forget about the White slave trade..The Irish sent to America and yes to Australia.I believe they had a very hard lives😪The Irish really suffered..the lack of respect..over the years😪
The Islamic slave trade was(and actually still operates in 2022) the most brutal. Islamic slave raiders took over 1 million European slaves and operated as far afield as Britain and Ireland.
My own grandmother was in the workhouse as an orphan in Wales during WWI for two years. She survived the Spanish Flu while in the workhouse in 1919, just amazing. I live in Australia now myself and I’m a historian and have done some reading on the plight of the women who were sent to Australia. You would think that the huge gender imbalance would have caused the men to be appreciative of the women who came to be the wives and mothers of future Australians but this was not so, Australia was (and is) a brutal society and the girls and women had a very hard time
@@megancooper859 Australia, like the US, has problems with domestic violence both to women and some men. Also child abuse and pedophilia. Abuse of aboriginal people. Abuse of asylum seekers and refugees. Compromising the human rights of disabled people. The list is quite long. I don’t believe Australia is currently focussed on compassion, not for the last ten or more years. Social safety networks are being compromised by the people who are meant to support them, the federal government. The pendulum will swing again though
@@JuliaFrancisEmilyLouise fair enough but if those problems are what you take into account they easily apply to every country in the world. I just wondered why you singled out Australia. Thank you
@@megancooper859 many countries do have the same issues however I’m British but I live in Australia. Australia started as a convict colony, a place of punishment in 1788. The culture in many ways as it began then, at its core, has changed little. Out friend in his video talks about the Irish girls being sent to Australia and what their fate was
@@JuliaFrancisEmilyLouise yes I watched the video, those that were sent here against their will are the foundation of Australia. Its the countries that they were sent from that have a lot to answer for.
I actually have a huge amount of information regarding the workhouse, the workhouse girls and the conditions they endured. Although I write historical works, I never thought of a novel until you suggested it. Do you know a publisher that might be interested?
@@waterfordviking1 I just reading a novel “The Orphan’s Tale, “ by Pam Jenhoff and your YT video reminded me of her book. Also BBC has a series on work house conditions during that time frame. I have a friend in Lancashire who may know a publisher. He has written a couple of books. His name is Tony Walker and has a YT channel.
I have a great great grandmother that was an orphan sent on a ship but no one knows where she was from .but this was not to Australia,but South Africa.I wonder if something like this happened.
In the late 1830 Irish were sent to the West Indies. The following from the Glasgow Chronicle of 1838 proves just that. "We understand there is in contemplation to send a few people of both sexes from the Emerald Isle, for the purpose of raising a stock of free labourers of Irish extraction, born in the West Indian climate and inured to it" I have not heard of any being sent to South Africa, but that is not proof that some were not sent there.
@@waterfordviking1 Thank you so much ,I appreciate your reply.My father's family were 1820 settlers in Albany Eastern Cape ,and she married one of them ,I know some family came from Australia but I don't think it was her she had many children 16 boys I think and two girls. This Is some very unknown and interesting but sad history I will look into a bit more maybe ask some relatives for more info .I really appreciate this video .Many Irish people were miners in south Africa.My great grandmother was Irish she was a teacher she married a transport rider(oxwagon goods carrier) ,like in jock of the bushveld.
@@waterfordviking1 1832, the first group of children was sent to the Cape Colony in South Africa and the Swan River Colony in Australia, and in August 1833, I found a link with this ,and info that this had been going on since the 1600,,," By the mid 1600s, the Irish were the main slaves sold to Antigua and Montserrat"
Great insight Dermot, however, it's only the tip of the "iceberg" as to the way people and women in particular were treated by the regime at that time. There is nothing here in Waterford to commemorate or remember the tens of thousands who emigrated from Waterford City on the Liverpool steamers or on direct passage ships to all parts of the globe. A fair bit about Vikings though......................
Omg, our school curriculum is so wrong. I learned about the ‘famine’ aged 16 in NZ, and like our indigenous history is still a struggle to correct it. Thanks for adding to our learning.
This video is essentially an introduction to an article I have submitted to an Irish History Journal. The most disturbing part of the article is the apparent large amount of the Workhouse girls who had to resort to prostitution in order to put food on the table. the following is an extract from that article. "In a letter from Adelaide dated 29th October 1850 and published in "The Fund for Promoting Female Emigration", it lauded the fact that so many English immigrants had found work, however it also shone a light into the dark corners of the fate of many Irish Orphans whose profession became that of prostitute. The letter stated that, "I am sorry to state it is here as it is in other populous towns a description of persons ready to entrap the unwary, as I'm sorry to say has been the case with a vast number of the Irish Orphans, who have been sent out here, and are pursuing a course of life that placed them beyond the pale of society". Another section deals with the eventual fate of many Workhouse girls stating, "Can one of us imagine the feelings of an evicted tenant, with the prospect of the workhouse before him for his wife and family? If he enter, and keep them there, his sons are doomed for the remainder of their lives to be dishonest beggars. His daughters, after living a few years of squalid misery in the poorhouse, will leave the place and become prostitutes. They will lead the lives of prostitutes and die the deaths of prostitutes; they will drown their wretchedness in drunkenness; they will wake the echoes of our streets with their midnight shrieks of despair; they will die of unnamed diseases in some splendid hospital. Such has been the fate of almost all the female children reared in Irish poor-houses."
When you read this quote in the video I heard a father’s voice with desperation and lament at a hopeless situation. I wonder about the suicides and infanticides that would come from this sad, sad time. How amazing that anyone survived! The mental fortitude!
Please feel free to contact me, my gg grandmother was an Irish famine orphan. Her story was sad. No one knew until I started searching and wondered why 2 sisters would come to Australia with no one they knew…. On a ship with women, all young, her eyes tell the truth but no one knew how dark she felt until she took her own life with her 9 children around her. They were babies. It wasn’t life here that haunted her. It was the memories of home.
@@mimiturbano Hi Mimi, such a sad story. I would certainly love to hear your story and with your permission include it in my article. Her story deserves to be told and her struggle remembered. Thank you for contacting me.
My grandmother's maternal and paternal came from county cork to upstate New York in the late 1800s..they were not affected by the famine...my fathers Irish family were very rich and my mothers family were not rich but came to upstate New York to work in the mills...both grandfather’s and their family were French-speaking Canadian.......the young girls you speak of a hard life...i am sure they died young
Hi Nancy, I did not mention Wales because I did not find any mention of Wales in the records I looked at. It was almost exclusively Irish, English and Scottish. I am sure that there were Wels girls removed from the Welsh Workhouses. I will have a look and let you know.
@@waterfordviking1 Morning Dermot, I,m up a big mountain in Turkeye..i followed the Celtic trail thro music, instruments, stories and dance here. England considers Wales as its county..has don,t everything to Anglaisise us through education curriculum with no history of who we were/are!! Need to find d a way or rather unlock our history as we are left with just rugby!! The victor writes the history..dad
I happened to watch 'The Leaving of Liverpool' yesterday (i did watch it when it was on Tv years ago). It's here on UA-cam. What a terrible thing all our governments done to the poor kids over the years and the abuse that they suffered there and treated like slaves by the people they lived with, i'm sure not all of them had this experience but it seems a great many did sadly.
A grand effort you've made here. Now is there an "opposite number" to your work in Australia that might pick up the story when the Irish landed? Certainly I respect that there was great mortality on the journey, and numbers of individuals returned. I'm wondering what became of the numbers of folk who remained in Australia to eke out a new life. Thoughts?
Hi Bruce, I would also like to know what became of those who stayed in Australia and Canada. I am sure some of them had good lives but to quote an Irish ballad, For every man that finds fortune and comes home to tell of the tale. Each morning the Broadway is crowded with many the thousands who fail. I was shocked to find so many references to many of the Orphans falling prey to prostitution. It's an aspect I am still investigating, and would be greatfull for any assistance from anybody on the Australian side.
@@waterfordviking1 Exactly. I ask only because I know that folks of Irish descent here in the States are incredibly proud of their heritage and readily track their family trees through public service such as Fire and Police departments or through historical events such as The Civil War, California Gold Rush and the two World Wars. I should think Australia and Canada would have similar patterns, yes?
I also think that the Australian and Canadian patterns would be very similar. I also have children in Canada and the USA. They are proud of their Irishness but also contribute fully to the life of the country of their adoption.
I can tell you about one. She was my 3rd great grandmother, Ellen Rice who came with her sister Mary on the "New Liverpool" They landed in Melbourne. Mary could read and write (unusual for these girls at the time) and was 20 years old when she arrived. Ellen was the younger - 18. Ellen found work as a housemaid but the same year she married John Coleman in Warnambool in Australia and they had twelve children. Ellen died aged 45 and is buried in Warnambool. I have no information about Mary after she landed beyond a hint she may have worked as a housemaid.
When I listen to you I must think about the millions of young people who are ready to jump onto a ship in order to reach Australia in the hope to have a better life. Millions? Probably tens of millions would go for it.. But they are not "caucasians".
Thank you for your comment Nick. World history is depressing and we seem incapable of learning lessons from our past mistakes. From 1841 to 1891, Ireland loist half of its population. It fell from just over 8 million in 1841 to 4 million in 1891.in the mid 1600s it was again to lose almost half of its population due to war with the Cromwellians and to transportation.
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Go raibh mile maith agat, á Dermot. My great great grandmother, Catherine Foran, spent 6 years in the Waterford workhouse before being sent to Australia, aged 15, on the ‘New Liverpool’ arriving in August 1849. The girls were transferred to the immigration barracks (tents) where locals could make offers of employment. After a month there she was taken by boat to Port Fairy to become a domestic servant. At 18 she married. At 19 she had her first child, was widowed, and remarried! She went on to have another 6 children and died aged 76. She has living descendants all across Australia. I’ve not been able to find any trace of her in Ireland and can only guess as to what 6 years in the workhouse must have been like. She must have had incredible tenacity.
Hi Gavin, glad you enjoyed the story. There are still lots of Forans in Waterford. I have an article going into a historical journal about the removal of the workhouse girls and life in the Waterford workhouse. I would like to send you on a copy of the article. My email is dermotpower@email.com you can contact me on that and I will send you on a PDF of the article. thank you for your interest.
Hi Gavan, My great, great, great grandmother was also on the New Liverpool that journey, I would be very interested in any resources you could point me to as to who emplyed the girls? I know where my grandmother went but her sister is a blank. She definitely landed and survived the journey but she was older than most and could read and write so Im fascinated by what her story became.
Hi Melodie, There are 2 versions of the disposal list. One can be found at the Public Records Office Victoria and the other at Archives NSW. At least one of them lists their employer. You should get both as they have slightly different details. I think there are online but you get more context from digital copies of the original. Get all pages as their is additional info on the first and last pages. There is also the Surgeon Superintendent's report. It's more about what the voyage was like rather than info about individual girls. IIRC the Tipperary girls were a handful. Go Tipperary!! Some of the girls were shipped on to Port Fairy (then called Belfast). The PROV has that list. The names don't match up 100%. You should also scour the Newspapers on Trove for both the New Liverpool and the Raven. The journey from Melbourne to Port Fairy seemed a bit hectic, waiting inside Port Port Phillip Heads for a storm to blow through. I think that's it. Let me know if you need anything further. Also there is a couple of Facebook groups if you're interested: 'Port Phillip Irish Orphan Girls' and 'Earl Grey Orphans DNA matchfinder' if you've done a DNA test and are looking to find cousins. Lastly there is a commemoration in November each year at Williamstown. Hasn't been one for a couple of years because Covid but should start again this year.
Bye god the Irish people much more than the famine. The more I read about this period the more angry I get. To treat people worse than they would animals is just disgusting. I get so angry listening about this but we should all know what happened.
Hi Susan,I'm glad you enjoyed the video. I am working on a video at the moment that is even more shocking. I won't give the title at this stage but it proves that what happened to the Irish people was definitely Genocide. It should be out by the end of next week.and following that,I will be doing a video on Evictions in Ireland from 1849 to 1888.it is quite shocking. A history we never fully learned in school.
Amazing content 👍 ... new sub 👍🕊❤️🕊 terrible treatment of the most innocent and needy 😢. Where was the point and position held by the church with all this going on 🤷♀️... did they agree or turn a blind eye or receive monitory incentives to do both!🤷♀️🤦♀️ just curious 🤔 If nothing changes it seems history is doomed to repeat itself, just a different nation, different points of origin and destination. The irish gave so much to Australia and ned kelly was and still is an infamous to its history and is not classed as a criminal buy most here but a hero! What is happening in the southern US borders are so similar to your factual historic video, only it is not historical it is CURRENT NOW! Shame on them all for the mistreatments, servitude and abuse they put upon the innocent children. May god forgive them 🙏🏻
The Quakers were a group that did heroic work in Ireland to help alleviate the effects in Ireland. Their contribution has only being recognised in recent years.
The Catholic church was banned in the early days of the Australian colony as were the priests . Irish had to attend Anglican services and marry in Anglican Churches/services/by Anglican ministers..The Irish were not allowed to speak their own language and had to speak only in English. Many young Irish boys were sodomized by other hardened English convicts.There was a great division between Protestant and Catholic communities "Roman Catholics" and the Catholics soon established their own Catholic schools which they still have today as they realized early how education was so important to their young/progress . The cemeteries were divided into Catholic and protestant. Opportunities were often deprived/discriminated of for Irish and the various communities often remained separated. Even up till the 1960's Catholic school children did not mix with protestant children or go to their schools ,certainly not their churches and it was considered of a concern by both sides of religion as socially unacceptable for an Irish Catholics to marry outside their religion and vice versa.Although this of course did happen often due to limited supply etc.. For a long time Irish were considered second class citizens in the colony and troublemakers and of lower status, however it was the Irish who fought for and achieved the early forms of democracy in Australia and a vote for all free men. Ref Eureka stockade and the number of Irish who fought there.
Im so grateful me greatgrandmum was able to grow up in America and in a happy family! Her name was Joseph Henry McGee! Yep! The first born. And then came a brother years later! Doctor Bob! I still have a photo of me family.
What gives anyone the right too turn all these children lives upside down? The Government thought they had the rights. Disgusting, makes you being human something to be ashamed off.
You mentioned Dailey's? (Or Daley's?) My G-Grandfather was a Dailey. And I believe was originally from Ireland. At least his Parents were. He was married to a Pendergrass (LouBelle) who's Parents brought her to America as a child from Ireland. I surely hope that none of my Relatives/Ancestors were subjected to any of that fate! :(
I’m sorry but as someone who was brought up by a single mother of 4 kids on a council estate just outside Newcastle with next to no income how the fuck am I responsible for the Irish workhouse orphans? I’m sick to death of getting blamed for Oliver Cromwell, the Irish famine, Bloody Sunday & all of the other stuff that happened donkeys ago.
@@joshratcliffe7378 with all due respect a lot of it isn't donkeys ago . Irish people don't hate all English people .You shouldnt take it personally to you . I'd look at what part of it makes you uncomfortable to be apparently linked to it ? Who's targeting you . There's very much recent abuse in Ireland from the English . Bombs etc shootings . Yes on both sides ,but let's get real you in Newcastle can't really call on the how an Irish person from generations of it and living it feels because your bored or over it . It's not about you .plus lots of people have it hard but that doesn't dissipate the sufferings of others . I wouldn't quite call being raised by a parent on a counsel estate the same suffering that this guy is talking about . You had a parent and weren't ripped from them . A lot of the problems still are in Ireland because of what was started . I live in Liverpool England .my family on both sides are originally Irish . I feel for the Irish but it doesn't mean I hate the English . Maybe some Irish do as some English hate all Irish or other ethnicities or even scousers , but just because a few take full anger on all community doesn't take away the genuine need for understanding of certain suspicions and hurts on a people that need to be understood and reconciled .I've seen first hand from my grandparents and stories of my great grandparents the harm and devestation that was caused . Sadness at having to leave Ireland .loss off countless families ties forever .not quite feeling British but now a plastic paddy . Ancestors who had the worst possible jobs and born in workhouses in Britain after being starved in Ireland. Grandad who had to leave cork because no work there because of yes the effects still lingering of the English and the famine to work down the mines . I completely get your sentiment , but please don't let that turn to ignorence of people's stance and feelings and maybe next time someone talks to you about it instead of getting angry inwards like it's at you , talk and just have a conversation , hear them out and they hear you out . People generally want to get on , they just want to be heard and respected and acknowledged.
@@joshratcliffe7378 Josh, no, no we do not hate the English, I hate your elites, Westminister, anyone in power who commited or condones massacres here or in any other land. Anyone who thinks that the price for 'civilising' nations was worth the blood it took to make the empire 'great' will get a piece of my mind. Yes we will slag you and hope your football team will lose, allow us that little bit will ya, we do the same to the parish down the road btw, that trait of ours isn't meant to hurt or be taken seriously, we do that to ourselves on the daily. A few mates living over here didn't get that, and I don't think they will ever quite understand but hey, English are alright in my book, practically family at this point
It is not the Irish girls who at to blame...bless their hearts.....It is the bloody English, who have been a pain in the Arzzzz treating the Irish with a vicious indifference for hundreds of years....Me. I am English. And ashamed of the way that you have been treated.
I'm in Australia, and often I will see Irish-looking women whom are Australian. There is a long time acceptance of homosexuality here that, it is said, comes from the dearth of females in colonial times. My ancestors sailing to NZ from England, lost four of their seven children en route.
Thank you for your observation. Your story is a shared experience of our ancestors from Ireland, England, Scotland and probably Wales. Thank you for your comment.
Many of the young Irish boys were sodomized in the early days of the colony by the more hardened English convicts who fought over them .Very very sad fate for these young Irish boys many illiterate who couldn't even speak English let alone defend themselves.
It is indeed very sad how these people suffer however unfortunately people continue to suffer. The world has not changed. We stand back and do nothing as thousands of refugees look to our governments for sanctuary. We split up families and lock them up. We push them into refugee camps. Out of sight out of mind We as human beings need to speak up in defence of people in need. We cannot condemn the past and then refuse to address the rights and needs of our sisters and brothers
nation (n.) c. 1300, nacioun, "a race of people, large group of people with common ancestry and language," from Old French nacion "birth, rank; descendants, relatives; country, homeland" (12c.) and directly from Latin nationem (nominative natio) "birth, origin; breed, stock, kind, species; race of people, tribe," literally "that which has been born," from natus, past participle of nasci "be born" (Old Latin gnasci), from PIE root *gene- "give birth, beget," with derivatives referring to procreation and familial and tribal groups. The other races will never be our sisters and brothers.
A wonderful lady named Caroline Chisholm came to the rescue of many of the immigrants arriving in Sydney. She is honoured on the Australian $5 note. God bless her. Read her story here: adb.anu.edu.au/biography/chisholm-caroline-1894 to see her on the currency: diduno.info/the-old-five-dollar-note/
My ancestor was a "potato famine orphan" bought to Australia with her sister in the Earl Grey program. She married and her husband bought her mum and youngest sister here at a later date.
Thank you for your video.
Mine too
It was hard to push 'like', not because of the quality of this great video, but the sorrow and horror that must have been on those poor girls. Thank you for your historical perspective.
This is very informative and I appreciate your exposure of what so many people suffered
It never ceases to amaze me how cruel Humanity can be and those poor girls going to a strange country only to be treated so badly!! Shame on all the countries that were involved.
My great great grandfather was sent out in 1800 to Australia on the Minerva a rebel convict ship after the 1798 rebellion in Ireland.His wife was with him and she died in childbirth not long after arriving in Sydney . He was supposed to have been descended from an Ancient Irish Norman/Welsh/Irish knights family and there is a castle in Ireland Enniscorthy castle..Little is known of his 1st wife Catherine but her son survived, my great great grandfather and was brought up by a selected convict servant who then had 4 more children with my GG Grandfather. The Grandfather was able to purchase acres of land in the now Campbelltown area and later Windsor where he successfully managed to farm. The boys all grew to own farms/properties as well and later went to the Monaro region where they had hundreds of acres and are still farming there through thick and thin. They were the original legendary Snowy Mountain men known for their horsemanship skills. Another of my grandfathers came from the Munster region of Island Tipperary a well known rebel region.All were very proud of their Irish heritage and preserved their Irish culture as best they could. They even contributed to donating land to the Catholic church to build schools/churches and to the Saint Marys Cathedral in Sydney.
Thank you for this well researched piece. For 2 years I worked at Virgo Fidelis Church (Upper Norwood, London) in their archiveing department. The kind nuns welcomed many orphaned children and provided bed, board, schooling and spiritual nourishment to these little souls. I'm so sad to think of any child in any era being mistreated. You've educated me today, thank you Sir.
Kind? Watch the baby homes of Taum. Then see which label you give them.
@@eunicestone838 Do some research into the context of the history of the times. The expected practices of the day, the lack of money and rampant starvation and disease. Lack of medical etc etc Maybe a more extensive story to be told.
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Thank you so much for being so informative. Grest video. Keep up the good work. X
Thank you for this upload. Very informative.
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A great true Documentation of the poor Irish Workhouse girls exported ,exploited in every way to lead an evermore dreadful existence in foreign countries, it shows again fate and difference between rich and poor.
And this unfairness cries to high heaven...
Living ,but not born in Australia I have many friends of Irish decent..all very proud
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of their ancestry those are the Ones who's ancestors
managed to survive.. I am glad they did,
as they have a great sense of humour as my late husband did)
Many regards and a great Thank you for your great contributions
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Thank you for your comment kiara.
The English 1% leave me horrified. So cunning and brutal 💔😔
Thank you sir and be blessed 4 sharing these stories and people with us 💞
This is our history and we need to be taught these things in school. The world would see the 1% 👺 If you don't know what the poor house is... look it up... blew my mind 💔
The same happened here in England. Children were sent to the colonies.
Although I had read a lot about the Great Hunger, I had been unaware of this aspect, but it makes perfect sense, just like Gladstone paying for his half starved half naked tenants to be dumped in Canada ( cheaper and more open than the US). Let us get rid of the 'unproductive'. I am half Irish and brought up in England and what amazes me is that this is never taught in English schools, and according to my cousins not so much in Irish schools. I think if it was it would create more understanding which might lead to more reconciliation and mutual respect, our histories are so entwinned we need this.
Well said.
Man's inhumanity to man is shameful. All are accountable for their own actions. So disturbing that the poor were exploited and treated so badly.
They are to ashamed to let us know of this atrocity
It reminds me of the holocaust. German children were never told about this at school. The are ignorant of the atrocities.
Thank you so very much for this tragic and brutal history lesson. I adore history and recently have been studying the plight of women and girls through out the ages. This story broke my heart, I can only imagine the fear of those poor girls. Awful, just awful.
There is no doubt that this is a sad and shameful chapter.
The plight of the English poor was also pretty abismal.
The good old days were only good for the rich.
Even the swiss and swedish were escaping famine
The magdeline sisters come to mind and the complicity of the Catholic church.
I'm sorry.
They and their families should have compensation for the way they were treated. Their lives matter.
Thank you.
Their families neglected them and some brave people tried to help and now are being blamed for not being numerous enough or rich enough?! The famine period was the genocide period while Britain fed off of Ireland’s misery.
Yah!!!! Reparations For the IRISH!
Only if they're black.
@@djchiesa3567 What do you mean by only if they were black? Nobody gives black people anything. Black people worked on the slave plantations for more than 400 years for nothing. Most of Africa's natural resources were exploited by Europeans. So, when you make statement like this make sure that you have your facts.
@@keepitreal888-gnc I do and I have. Look at the welfare stats, look at the generational indoctrination of welfare, expectations of free money and refusal to take responsibilities for their illicit actions while glorifying sex, drugs and guns through violent rap music oh and lets not forget the fine talents of twerking.
Such a sad and tragic and enraging piece of history. My grandmother Conway spoke of twin cousins in who managed to escape Australia and return to Ireland. They were very fearful when they returned and spent the rest of their days living with each other and refusing to talk above a whisper to anyone but each other. They also had a baby with them when they returned. Neither twin claimed him. He was raised by other family members. It’s a very sad story. It should never have happened. For the life of me I can’t understand why it did. We also have stories of cousins more recently who were brutally treated by the Christian Brothers who ran their school. And this was just day school. And everyone knew about it but no one said anything. My uncles make jokes about the Irish knowing how to take a beating. They laugh and recount horror stories. It renders me speechless. If anyone treated my son the way my uncles were treated they’d have met with an untimely end. I may be small but I am scrappy. Where was this protectiveness from other parents?! It’s a baffling piece of my history and I’m grateful someone is shining a light on it.
The Catholic Church was a big a enemy to the Irish people as the English ever was.
A sad and an amazing story. Thank you so much for sharing it.
The Christian Brothers even here in England were a vicious lot. They enjoyed doling out the strap.
@@RD85010 Exactly! The Irish clung to the Catholic faith and to its hierarchy to stick it to the queen and king and to the British more generally. Just as the Poles did when they were dominated by the USSR. And the Irish maintained a very childlike position in their relationship with the Catholic hierarchy, completely obedient and un- questioning. the Irish were finally freed from British domination and got their own independence, but they remained childlike with the Catholic hierarchy until the terrible scandals came forward of all of the abuse that children and families received at the hands of priests and nuns, and they’ve grown up now, separated and declared their autonomy from the church. they’re adults and they can make up their own minds-it’s a wonderful thing!
The remains of 215 Indigenous children were recently found near a Indian Residential School which operated from 1863 to 1996 in Canada, youngest was 3....mass burial no records kept. The Catholic Church has much to answer for. Absolutely appalling....
Thank you for this interesting and troubling historical account. Listening from the US(:
English orphans were also sent to the colonies. One of my neighbours who had been put into Dr Barbados at age 5 by her mother (after she discivered her father was a bigamist) was to be sent out at age 12. This was 1932. But her mother took her back home. The children were often as badly treated as these Irish children. The picking of oakum was standard work in English workhouses as well.
I found, while researching the new Ross workhouse, that the central library in London was a great sourse of materials.
Thank you for this enlightening and disturbing story. I am a Canadian of Irish descent and had not heard of the workhouse orphans before this. I will endeavor to discover more about the poor girls sent to Canada, and of what happened to them after their arrival.
There is a section in a museum in Sydney dedicated to these young Irish girls who were sent to Australia as domestic servants, and wives (there was a shortage of women in the colony and many were selected to be married to protestant etc bachelors.) They are are depicted that many of these girls were desired as useful as they were clean, obedient and good workers. This may have been the fate of some but not all. Thank you for a more accurate and realistic account to that history of these girls than is being fully told in Australian museums.Just another bit of hidden history by English revised rewritten ignored or sanitized Australian history.The history and contribution of the Irish in Australia is indeed significant, much as the English Establishment have tried to cover it up. You won't hear of this Irish history being told in History lessons in Australian schools.
I didn't realize you were the haunting voice singing Skibereen. Bravo!
I'm your new sub from USA 🇺🇸
Thank you Kate,it's a beautiful song and a beautiful song for a singer to sing.it has such emotion.
Such a dark history of past.
Never to late to see and heard, and so, could learn and not repeated like this horrible event.
God blessed, those children.
Hello Dermot, Thank you. I really learnt a lot. Your article confirms a lot of things in the story of my ancestors. My 2nd great grandmother, Margaret, and her sister Ellen Green came to Australia separately from Tipperary, probably from a workhouse. Their parents were farmers who died during the famine in Tipperary. Margaret and Ellen were both in their twenties and free settlers. Margaret arrived in 1852, at Moreton Bay in Queensland, and her life turned out differently. She was employed as a servant for a man who later became a politician. Within two years, she married a Scottish settler, and they were farmers, and had six surviving children. I'm sure she worked hard raising her children, and working on the farm. Overall, I think that Margaret was happy.
Ellen's life was miserable in comparison, sadly. Ellen Green was heavily pregnant when she arrived in Sydney in September 1849, on the ship "Sea". She was taken immediately by steamer to a Parramatta institution. It was near the female factory, which was the jail for convicts. By November 1849, Ellen had given birth to a little girl, Elizabeth Palmer. She stated on the Baptism record that she was a single woman residing at Parramatta, and gave the child's father's full name, on the child's baptism record. The father, James Palmer was a constable in Ireland. Then she registered the birth as Mrs Palmer. Who was to know? In September 1850, Ellen Green married James Lee, a labourer, and they didn't seem to leave the Parramatta area. She had five or more children, and they were poor, and they just couldn't provide for their children. Her husband was placed in lunatic asylum in 1856. Ellen was still alive, and had the children placed in an orphan school at Parramatta. Then with one child in tow, she was charged in February 1862 with keeping a brothel. She pleaded guilty, and was sentenced to 12 months hard labour at Parramatta jail. I can't seem to find out what happened to her after that. It's a sad story, and it confirms a lot of things that you mentioned. Thanks again
I am aware of a friend in New Zealand who researched her fmaily tree and found a young woman was listed by her firstname only as being an orphan sent out from Waterford.
Hi James,thank you for your comment.yes there were many young girls sent from Waterford to Australia, Canada and the United States whose fates we will never know about.we can only hope that after a generation or two the lives of their descendants were improved.
This was new to me. I was appalled to read it and imagine these young women’s plight. Well done. I had no idea. I am so saddened .
All this history ..people are so mean spirited. I cannot imagine treating others (children too !) Like this ! Hurts my heart.
Thank you for this information.
so sad of this history who treated so many without a blink of a eye.May the girls rest in peace.
My great great grandmother was an orphan girl, she arrived in Western Australia. We have a monument I Perth for the famine orphans. My gg grandmother married a lovely man and they had 9 children. But her eyes show her trauma even as a young woman. She finished her life by drinking strychnine whilst all the children were in the room. Her oldest was 13 years old. Her sister arrived with her but did not marry for about five years after she arrived, but Catherine married soon after arrival. She suffered and suffered to the end.
What was her original name? do you know which part of Ireland she came from and what ship she travelled on. I have recently come across some girls on the Ship Sorbonne, who were stripped to the waist and flogged on board the ship. Send me your email and Ill send you on the article I wrote about the Orphans. My email is dermotpower@email.com
You’re research and truth telling is so much appreciated. It’s puts many pieces of the puzzle of our true history together.
Thank you much appreciated.
Irish slaves were the first slaves in America they were called Red Legs due to sunburn working outside. Same in Australia. No one talks about white slavery
Yes you never hear the Irish demanding reparations!
SO TRUE THE PEOPLE IN AMERICA DON'T KNOW HISTORY AND DON'T RESEARCH IT JUST GO ON WHAT SOMEONE TELLS THEMS
I believe that the tag Indentured Servant was a convenient tag to put on the Irish that were transported by the English during the 1600's. The were in fact all but in name "Slaves". their descendants like the Red Legs that were mentioned, formed an underclass in the lands to which they were sent, and where their descendants remain to this day.
because we are ashamed
Actually, Indigenous Natives were the 1st saves in amer.
Thanks for putting together a well researched video. It helps to put some context on my Irish ancestors who came to Australia over those years. We've always been told they came here too escape starvation. I've subscribed and anticipate some really interesting viewing. Thanks again.
My great grandmother was an Irish orphan. She was 18 years old when she and her 16 year old sister arrived in Sydney on the ship the Thomas Arbuthnot featured in the book "A Decent set of Girls." They were fortunate to have a caring doctor who educated and helped them find suitable positions mostly in rural areas. Irish orphans are still remembered in local towns to this day. It is sad to think that so many suffered at that time.
Thank you Dermot.
Im learning more from your informative videos than i ever did in school. Thank you
Thanks for the compliment Sean, glad you enjoyed.
Canada’s bishops are expressing their “deepest sorrow” and pledge to “continue walking side by side” with Indigenous people in the wake of the discovery of the bodies of 215 children buried at the site of a former residential school in Kamloops, B.C. The Tk'emlúps te Secwépemc First Nation reported the “unthinkable loss” on May 27 that was “never documented” at the former Kamloops Indian Residential School. The school, funded by the federal government, was run by the Catholic Church from 1890 until 1969 before being shut down in 1978. NOW WHERE DID I HEAR THAT BEFORE? OH YEAH IT WAS IRELAND!!!!.It never stops.
Many children were exploited all over the world taken from their families into slaves in many ways, never to be seen again
The government here in Canada is using the Church as a scapegoat. Not that the church was innocent, but they were running residential schools at the behest of the government. If the government was unaware of any of the goings on, it was a matter of either willful blindness or the most gross incompetence, or quite possibly both.
Thank you for your interest, enlightening and tragic story about these poor unfortunate girls. It was very hard to watch because of how incredibly sad all of it was. I’m generally not the teary type but, l found myself crying for these girls who are long gone and who’s lives were basically a living hell.
Thank you so much Jane, glad you enjoyed.
Liked and subscribed thank you I love your channel,,hello from upstate New York in the beautiful Mohawk Valley
Highly informative and well-made, thank you.
Love the song. Thanks for the video. Very sad.
Believe my grandma was one of these girls, grandpa had a farm & she always had something to eat for those who were hungry during the depression they might have done some chores in return. No smoking in the barn.
No wonder the connection to my Irish roots here in Quebec is so strong.
Same here...Irish, Welch and Scottish
And we are incredibly lucky that this extreme class system and it’s nefarious orchestrators are no more! Yet it’s affects still ripple through the generations 😔
Yes Cass, it is sometimes extremely difficult for me to absorb the hurt that was endured by so many Irish during the 19th cent. and beyond. It does affect you.
@@waterfordviking1 But you are such beautiful people ❤️, I'm Irish, Scot and English. I feel everybody's pain... inhumanity to humans seems inescapable. I'm a Christian, and I was transfixed by your narrative and research. Thank you. I love knowing I'm 1/4 IRISH! Wild at HEART💖🙋 Lisa Rae Rousseau 🤗💯❤️
Thank you for telling the truth .
This is so horrible. I've never heard about this before.
Wow
Thank you!!!
So Intresting. I'm subscrided.
Two books I have read were a shocker and I suggest them. They were white and they were slaves and white cargo. Those books are very enlightening on how Irish were treated and yet, it isn't spoken of much if at all in most societies.
Because it doesn't fit the narrative. The entire earth is a plantation and has been for thousands of years.
T.D.Magee married an ancestor of mine. He was basically assisted simply because he was an advocate for the poor, and those treated unjustly. He also had a notion that the wealthy should be helping the poor. He suggested that the well-off could be taxed, and the tax dollars be used to assist the unfortunate. Basically it is the social services (welfare) system that we know today in Canada.
That's a man to be proud of!
So sad the way people were treated,but we all must know our history.
Perhaps it's accurate to describe Canada, Australia, NZ, and the US as "England's Gulag".
The US was also the English gulag till the war of independence and no more prisoners (mostly Irish ) convicts were allowed to be sent there. That's why the Colony in NSW Australia was established as an alternate colony to take the convicts from England etc instead.
That was very interesting
Glad you enjoyed.
Sad and interesting.People forget about the White slave trade..The Irish sent to America and yes to Australia.I believe they had a very hard lives😪The Irish really suffered..the lack of respect..over the years😪
We probably never hear of it because the Irish ☘️ never demand reparations like other races. I give them so much respect!
@@Iluv2crochet we do hear about it and caribbean people do know of the Irish being sent to the caribbean to be used as slaves as were East Indians.
The Islamic slave trade was(and actually still operates in 2022) the most brutal. Islamic slave raiders took over 1 million European slaves and operated as far afield as Britain and Ireland.
My own grandmother was in the workhouse as an orphan in Wales during WWI for two years. She survived the Spanish Flu while in the workhouse in 1919, just amazing. I live in Australia now myself and I’m a historian and have done some reading on the plight of the women who were sent to Australia. You would think that the huge gender imbalance would have caused the men to be appreciative of the women who came to be the wives and mothers of future Australians but this was not so, Australia was (and is) a brutal society and the girls and women had a very hard time
Just a question, what do you mean 'is a brutal society'
@@megancooper859 Australia, like the US, has problems with domestic violence both to women and some men. Also child abuse and pedophilia. Abuse of aboriginal people. Abuse of asylum seekers and refugees. Compromising the human rights of disabled people. The list is quite long. I don’t believe Australia is currently focussed on compassion, not for the last ten or more years. Social safety networks are being compromised by the people who are meant to support them, the federal government. The pendulum will swing again though
@@JuliaFrancisEmilyLouise fair enough but if those problems are what you take into account they easily apply to every country in the world. I just wondered why you singled out Australia. Thank you
@@megancooper859 many countries do have the same issues however I’m British but I live in Australia. Australia started as a convict colony, a place of punishment in 1788. The culture in many ways as it began then, at its core, has changed little. Out friend in his video talks about the Irish girls being sent to Australia and what their fate was
@@JuliaFrancisEmilyLouise yes I watched the video, those that were sent here against their will are the foundation of Australia. Its the countries that they were sent from that have a lot to answer for.
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This is very interesting. You have great research information. Have you thought of writing an historical novel?
I actually have a huge amount of information regarding the workhouse, the workhouse girls and the conditions they endured. Although I write historical works, I never thought of a novel until you suggested it. Do you know a publisher that might be interested?
@@waterfordviking1 I just reading a novel “The Orphan’s Tale, “ by Pam Jenhoff and your YT video reminded me of her book. Also BBC has a series on work house conditions during that time frame. I have a friend in Lancashire who may know a publisher. He has written a couple of books. His name is Tony Walker and has a YT channel.
I have a great great grandmother that was an orphan sent on a ship but no one knows where she was from .but this was not to Australia,but South Africa.I wonder if something like this happened.
In the late 1830 Irish were sent to the West Indies. The following from the Glasgow Chronicle of 1838 proves just that. "We understand there is in contemplation to send a few people of both sexes from the Emerald Isle, for the purpose of raising a stock of
free labourers of Irish extraction, born in the West Indian climate and inured to it" I have not heard of any being sent to South Africa, but that is not proof that some were not sent there.
@@waterfordviking1 Thank you so much ,I appreciate your reply.My father's family were 1820 settlers in Albany Eastern Cape ,and she married one of them ,I know some family came from Australia but I don't think it was her she had many children 16 boys I think and two girls. This Is some very unknown and interesting but sad history I will look into a bit more maybe ask some relatives for more info .I really appreciate this video .Many Irish people were miners in south Africa.My great grandmother was Irish she was a teacher she married a transport rider(oxwagon goods carrier) ,like in jock of the bushveld.
@@waterfordviking1 it's a beautiful song .
@@waterfordviking1 1832, the first group of children was sent to the Cape Colony in South Africa and the Swan River Colony in Australia, and in August 1833, I found a link with this ,and info that this had been going on since the 1600,,," By the mid 1600s, the Irish were the main slaves sold to Antigua and Montserrat"
@@christdiedforoursins1467 I would be very interested in pursuing this south Africa lead. Could you give me the link that you found it on. Thank you.
Great piece of history Dermot but very sad.
What a sad history.
Great insight Dermot, however, it's only the tip of the "iceberg" as to the way people and women in particular were treated by the regime at that time. There is nothing here in Waterford to commemorate or remember the tens of thousands who emigrated from Waterford City on the Liverpool steamers or on direct passage ships to all parts of the globe. A fair bit about Vikings though......................
Omg, our school curriculum is so wrong. I learned about the ‘famine’ aged 16 in NZ, and like our indigenous history is still a struggle to correct it. Thanks for adding to our learning.
Poor kids.
That is slavery nobody talks about
exactly 😳 and human trafficking
a good show..Thank you..well needed info
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Thank goodness we have learnt to a better degree on how to treat humans a little better.
This video is essentially an introduction to an article I have submitted to an Irish History Journal. The most disturbing part of the article is the apparent large amount of the Workhouse girls who had to resort to prostitution in order to put food on the table. the following is an extract from that article. "In a letter from Adelaide dated 29th October 1850 and published in "The Fund for Promoting Female Emigration", it lauded the fact that so many English immigrants had found work, however it also shone a light into the dark corners of the fate of many Irish Orphans whose profession became that of prostitute. The letter stated that, "I am sorry to state it is here as it is in other populous towns a description of persons ready to entrap the unwary, as I'm sorry to say has been the case with a vast number of the Irish Orphans, who have been sent out here, and are pursuing a course of life that placed them beyond the pale of society". Another section deals with the eventual fate of many Workhouse girls stating, "Can one of us imagine the feelings of an evicted tenant, with the prospect of the workhouse before him for his wife and family? If he enter, and keep them there, his sons are doomed for the remainder of their lives to be dishonest beggars. His daughters, after living a few years of squalid misery in the poorhouse, will leave the place and become prostitutes. They will lead the lives of prostitutes and die the deaths of prostitutes; they will drown their wretchedness in drunkenness; they will wake the echoes of our streets with their midnight shrieks of despair; they will die of unnamed diseases in some splendid hospital. Such has been the fate of almost all the female children reared in Irish poor-houses."
When you read this quote in the video I heard a father’s voice with desperation and lament at a hopeless situation. I wonder about the suicides and infanticides that would come from this sad, sad time. How amazing that anyone survived! The mental fortitude!
Hi Dermot,
Is there a link to the article you wrote?
Thank you.
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Please feel free to contact me, my gg grandmother was an Irish famine orphan. Her story was sad. No one knew until I started searching and wondered why 2 sisters would come to Australia with no one they knew…. On a ship with women, all young, her eyes tell the truth but no one knew how dark she felt until she took her own life with her 9 children around her. They were babies. It wasn’t life here that haunted her. It was the memories of home.
@@elizdonovan5650 ,hi Eliz send me your email and I.ll send you the article on the orphans.
@@mimiturbano Hi Mimi, such a sad story. I would certainly love to hear your story and with your permission include it in my article. Her story deserves to be told and her struggle remembered. Thank you for contacting me.
You remind me so much of my dad
My grandmother's maternal and paternal came from county cork to upstate New York in the late 1800s..they were not affected by the famine...my fathers Irish family were very rich and my mothers family were not rich but came to upstate New York to work in the mills...both grandfather’s and their family were French-speaking Canadian.......the young girls you speak of a hard life...i am sure they died young
Heartbreaking 😢
Sir, teary for truth xxx you mention Ireland and scotland deprivation how about Wales? Would dearly like to be pointed to.our history xxxx n
Hi Nancy, I did not mention Wales because I did not find any mention of Wales in the records I looked at. It was almost exclusively Irish, English and Scottish. I am sure that there were Wels girls removed from the Welsh Workhouses. I will have a look and let you know.
@@waterfordviking1 Wonderful as we know nothing. I have often wondered WHY. Do you have a fb page...X n
@@waterfordviking1 Morning Dermot, I,m up a big mountain in Turkeye..i followed the Celtic trail thro music, instruments, stories and dance here.
England considers Wales as its county..has don,t everything to Anglaisise us through education curriculum with no history of who we were/are!! Need to find d a way or rather unlock our history as we are left with just rugby!! The victor writes the history..dad
I happened to watch 'The Leaving of Liverpool' yesterday (i did watch it when it was on Tv years ago).
It's here on UA-cam.
What a terrible thing all our governments done to the poor kids over the years and the abuse that they suffered there and treated like slaves by the people they lived with, i'm sure not all of them had this experience but it seems a great many did sadly.
A grand effort you've made here. Now is there an "opposite number" to your work in Australia that might pick up the story when the Irish landed? Certainly I respect that there was great mortality on the journey, and numbers of individuals returned. I'm wondering what became of the numbers of folk who remained in Australia to eke out a new life. Thoughts?
Hi Bruce, I would also like to know what became of those who stayed in Australia and Canada. I am sure some of them had good lives but to quote an Irish ballad, For every man that finds fortune and comes home to tell of the tale. Each morning the Broadway is crowded with many the thousands who fail. I was shocked to find so many references to many of the Orphans falling prey to prostitution. It's an aspect I am still investigating, and would be greatfull for any assistance from anybody on the Australian side.
@@waterfordviking1 Exactly. I ask only because I know that folks of Irish descent here in the States are incredibly proud of their heritage and readily track their family trees through public service such as Fire and Police departments or through historical events such as The Civil War, California Gold Rush and the two World Wars. I should think Australia and Canada would have similar patterns, yes?
I also think that the Australian and Canadian patterns would be very similar. I also have children in Canada and the USA. They are proud of their Irishness but also contribute fully to the life of the country of their adoption.
I can tell you about one. She was my 3rd great grandmother, Ellen Rice who came with her sister Mary on the "New Liverpool"
They landed in Melbourne. Mary could read and write (unusual for these girls at the time) and was 20 years old when she arrived. Ellen was the younger - 18.
Ellen found work as a housemaid but the same year she married John Coleman in Warnambool in Australia and they had twelve children. Ellen died aged 45 and is buried in Warnambool.
I have no information about Mary after she landed beyond a hint she may have worked as a housemaid.
we shall remember them 🙏
My husbands aunt Mary was adopted from the workhouse.
SO SAD HOW CAN PEOPLE BE SO UNFEELING
The Irish Government has a lot to answer for.
Sad this never is talked about
When I listen to you I must think about the millions of young people who are ready to jump onto a ship in order to reach Australia in the hope to have a better life. Millions? Probably tens of millions would go for it.. But they are not "caucasians".
Thank you for your comment Nick. World history is depressing and we seem incapable of learning lessons from our past mistakes. From 1841 to 1891, Ireland loist half of its population. It fell from just over 8 million in 1841 to 4 million in 1891.in the mid 1600s it was again to lose almost half of its population due to war with the Cromwellians and to transportation.
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Cut back in late fall just a few inches above the soil.
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Go raibh mile maith agat, á Dermot. My great great grandmother, Catherine Foran, spent 6 years in the Waterford workhouse before being sent to Australia, aged 15, on the ‘New Liverpool’ arriving in August 1849. The girls were transferred to the immigration barracks (tents) where locals could make offers of employment. After a month there she was taken by boat to Port Fairy to become a domestic servant. At 18 she married. At 19 she had her first child, was widowed, and remarried! She went on to have another 6 children and died aged 76. She has living descendants all across Australia.
I’ve not been able to find any trace of her in Ireland and can only guess as to what 6 years in the workhouse must have been like. She must have had incredible tenacity.
Hi Gavin, glad you enjoyed the story. There are still lots of Forans in Waterford. I have an article going into a historical journal about the removal of the workhouse girls and life in the Waterford workhouse. I would like to send you on a copy of the article. My email is dermotpower@email.com you can contact me on that and I will send you on a PDF of the article. thank you for your interest.
Hi Gavan, My great, great, great grandmother was also on the New Liverpool that journey, I would be very interested in any resources you could point me to as to who emplyed the girls? I know where my grandmother went but her sister is a blank. She definitely landed and survived the journey but she was older than most and could read and write so Im fascinated by what her story became.
Hi Melodie, There are 2 versions of the disposal list. One can be found at the Public Records Office Victoria and the other at Archives NSW. At least one of them lists their employer. You should get both as they have slightly different details. I think there are online but you get more context from digital copies of the original. Get all pages as their is additional info on the first and last pages.
There is also the Surgeon Superintendent's report. It's more about what the voyage was like rather than info about individual girls. IIRC the Tipperary girls were a handful. Go Tipperary!!
Some of the girls were shipped on to Port Fairy (then called Belfast). The PROV has that list. The names don't match up 100%.
You should also scour the Newspapers on Trove for both the New Liverpool and the Raven. The journey from Melbourne to Port Fairy seemed a bit hectic, waiting inside Port Port Phillip Heads for a storm to blow through.
I think that's it. Let me know if you need anything further.
Also there is a couple of Facebook groups if you're interested: 'Port Phillip Irish Orphan Girls' and 'Earl Grey Orphans DNA matchfinder' if you've done a DNA test and are looking to find cousins.
Lastly there is a commemoration in November each year at Williamstown. Hasn't been one for a couple of years because Covid but should start again this year.
Bye god the Irish people much more than the famine. The more I read about this period the more angry I get. To treat people worse than they would animals is just disgusting. I get so angry listening about this but we should all know what happened.
Hi Susan,I'm glad you enjoyed the video. I am working on a video at the moment that is even more shocking. I won't give the title at this stage but it proves that what happened to the Irish people was definitely Genocide. It should be out by the end of next week.and following that,I will be doing a video on Evictions in Ireland from 1849 to 1888.it is quite shocking. A history we never fully learned in school.
@@waterfordviking1 looking forward to watching that. As you say it should be known by everyone.
Amazing content 👍 ... new sub 👍🕊❤️🕊 terrible treatment of the most innocent and needy 😢. Where was the point and position held by the church with all this going on 🤷♀️... did they agree or turn a blind eye or receive monitory incentives to do both!🤷♀️🤦♀️ just curious 🤔
If nothing changes it seems history is doomed to repeat itself, just a different nation, different points of origin and destination. The irish gave so much to Australia and ned kelly was and still is an infamous to its history and is not classed as a criminal buy most here but a hero!
What is happening in the southern US borders are so similar to your factual historic video, only it is not historical it is CURRENT NOW!
Shame on them all for the mistreatments, servitude and abuse they put upon the innocent children.
May god forgive them 🙏🏻
The Quakers were a group that did heroic work in Ireland to help alleviate the effects in Ireland. Their contribution has only being recognised in recent years.
The Catholic church was banned in the early days of the Australian colony as were the priests . Irish had to attend Anglican services and marry in Anglican Churches/services/by Anglican ministers..The Irish were not allowed to speak their own language and had to speak only in English. Many young Irish boys were sodomized by other hardened English convicts.There was a great division between Protestant and Catholic communities "Roman Catholics" and the Catholics soon established their own Catholic schools which they still have today as they realized early how education was so important to their young/progress . The cemeteries were divided into Catholic and protestant.
Opportunities were often deprived/discriminated of for Irish and the various communities often remained separated. Even up till the 1960's Catholic school children did not mix with protestant children or go to their schools ,certainly not their churches and it was considered of a concern by both sides of religion as socially unacceptable for an Irish Catholics to marry outside their religion and vice versa.Although this of course did happen often due to limited supply etc.. For a long time Irish were considered second class citizens in the colony and troublemakers and of lower status, however it was the Irish who fought for and achieved the early forms of democracy in Australia and a vote for all free men. Ref Eureka stockade and the number of Irish who fought there.
Im so grateful me greatgrandmum was able to grow up in America and in a happy family! Her name was Joseph Henry McGee! Yep! The first born. And then came a brother years later! Doctor Bob! I still have a photo of me family.
That was interesting!
What gives anyone the right too turn all these children lives upside down? The Government thought they had the rights. Disgusting, makes you being human something to be ashamed off.
This was a very rough time in Ireland, so sad! :(
Disgusting and shameful!!
'History' books will never include any history which would embarrass the auspices of it's authorship.
That's 'real' history. 😐
How ya im a paddy living out in oregon theres a church that was built by irish lads here called st pats im researching it some secrets im finding .
You mentioned Dailey's? (Or Daley's?) My G-Grandfather was a Dailey. And I believe was originally from Ireland. At least his Parents were. He was married to a Pendergrass (LouBelle) who's Parents brought her to America as a child from Ireland. I surely hope that none of my Relatives/Ancestors were subjected to any of that fate! :(
Must be the same family. There aren’t many Daleys in Ireland. 😀
@@pgl7950 I kinda thought that too! ;)
The Daly I was referring to was, Mayor Daly of Chicago, who was of Waterford, Ireland ancestry.
Oh, how our human race have suffered.😥
No wonder the Irish hate the English and I don't blame them being English myself this shames me the English were so cruel
I’m sorry but as someone who was brought up by a single mother of 4 kids on a council estate just outside Newcastle with next to no income how the fuck am I responsible for the Irish workhouse orphans?
I’m sick to death of getting blamed for Oliver Cromwell, the Irish famine, Bloody Sunday & all of the other stuff that happened donkeys ago.
@@joshratcliffe7378 with all due respect a lot of it isn't donkeys ago . Irish people don't hate all English people .You shouldnt take it personally to you . I'd look at what part of it makes you uncomfortable to be apparently linked to it ? Who's targeting you . There's very much recent abuse in Ireland from the English . Bombs etc shootings . Yes on both sides ,but let's get real you in Newcastle can't really call on the how an Irish person from generations of it and living it feels because your bored or over it . It's not about you .plus lots of people have it hard but that doesn't dissipate the sufferings of others . I wouldn't quite call being raised by a parent on a counsel estate the same suffering that this guy is talking about . You had a parent and weren't ripped from them . A lot of the problems still are in Ireland because of what was started . I live in Liverpool England .my family on both sides are originally Irish . I feel for the Irish but it doesn't mean I hate the English . Maybe some Irish do as some English hate all Irish or other ethnicities or even scousers , but just because a few take full anger on all community doesn't take away the genuine need for understanding of certain suspicions and hurts on a people that need to be understood and reconciled .I've seen first hand from my grandparents and stories of my great grandparents the harm and devestation that was caused . Sadness at having to leave Ireland .loss off countless families ties forever .not quite feeling British but now a plastic paddy . Ancestors who had the worst possible jobs and born in workhouses in Britain after being starved in Ireland. Grandad who had to leave cork because no work there because of yes the effects still lingering of the English and the famine to work down the mines . I completely get your sentiment , but please don't let that turn to ignorence of people's stance and feelings and maybe next time someone talks to you about it instead of getting angry inwards like it's at you , talk and just have a conversation , hear them out and they hear you out . People generally want to get on , they just want to be heard and respected and acknowledged.
@@joshratcliffe7378 Well put!
@@joshratcliffe7378 Josh,
no, no we do not hate the English, I hate your elites, Westminister, anyone in power who commited or condones massacres here or in any other land. Anyone who thinks that the price for 'civilising' nations was worth the blood it took to make the empire 'great' will get a piece of my mind.
Yes we will slag you and hope your football team will lose, allow us that little bit will ya, we do the same to the parish down the road btw, that trait of ours isn't meant to hurt or be taken seriously, we do that to ourselves on the daily. A few mates living over here didn't get that, and I don't think they will ever quite understand but hey, English are alright in my book, practically family at this point
Anne of green gables.
And that’s not racist?! Every Culture had Struggles in this cruel world 😢🙏🙏🙏❤️☘️
So sad...poor girls
Where were theen for their men and ad
It is not the Irish girls who at to blame...bless their hearts.....It is the bloody English, who have been a pain in the Arzzzz treating the Irish with a vicious indifference for hundreds of years....Me. I am English. And ashamed of the way that you have been treated.
I'm in Australia, and often I will see Irish-looking women whom are Australian.
There is a long time acceptance of homosexuality here that, it is said, comes from the dearth of females in colonial times.
My ancestors sailing to NZ from England, lost four of their seven children en route.
Thank you for your observation. Your story is a shared experience of our ancestors from Ireland, England, Scotland and probably Wales. Thank you for your comment.
Many of the young Irish boys were sodomized in the early days of the colony by the more hardened English convicts who fought over them .Very very sad fate for these young Irish boys many illiterate who couldn't even speak English let alone defend themselves.
It is indeed very sad how these people suffer however unfortunately people continue to suffer. The world has not changed. We stand back and do nothing as thousands of refugees look to our governments for sanctuary. We split up families and lock them up. We push them into refugee camps. Out of sight out of mind
We as human beings need to speak up in defence of people in need. We cannot condemn the past and then refuse to address the rights and needs of our sisters and brothers
nation (n.)
c. 1300, nacioun, "a race of people, large group of people with common ancestry and
language," from Old French nacion "birth, rank; descendants, relatives; country,
homeland" (12c.) and directly from Latin nationem (nominative natio) "birth, origin; breed,
stock, kind, species; race of people, tribe," literally "that which has been born," from natus,
past participle of nasci "be born" (Old Latin gnasci), from PIE root *gene- "give birth,
beget," with derivatives referring to procreation and familial and tribal groups. The other races will never be our sisters and brothers.
Cruel world 😭
A wonderful lady named Caroline Chisholm came to the rescue of many of the immigrants arriving in Sydney. She is honoured on the Australian $5 note. God bless her. Read her story here: adb.anu.edu.au/biography/chisholm-caroline-1894 to see her on the currency: diduno.info/the-old-five-dollar-note/