Personality Disorders & Intelligence | True Difference or Testing Style?
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- Опубліковано 21 січ 2020
- This video answers the question: Is there an association between personality disorders and intelligence?
The 10 Personality Disorders
Cluster A
- Paranoid Personality Disorder
- Schizoid Personality Disorder
- Schizotypal Personality Disorder
Cluster B
- Antisocial Personality Disorder
- Borderline Personality Disorder
- Narcissistic Personality Disorder
- Histrionic Personality Disorder
Cluster C
- Avoidant Personality Disorder
- Dependent Personality Disorder
- Obsessive-Compulsive Personality Disorder
Hengartner, M. P., Ajdacic-Gross, V., Rodgers, S., Müller, M., Haker, H., & Rössler, W. (2014). Fluid intelligence and empathy in association with personality disorder trait-scores: Exploring the link. European Archives of Psychiatry and Clinical Neuroscience, 264(5), 441-448. doi-org.mylibrary.wilmu.edu/1...
Furnham, A. (2006). Personality disorders and intelligence. Journal of Individual Differences, 27(1), 42-46. doi-org.mylibrary.wilmu.edu/1...
Bédard, M.-A., & Le Corff, Y. (2019). Intelligence and personality: A replication and extension study of the association between intelligence and personality aspects. Journal of Individual Differences. doi-org.mylibrary.wilmu.edu/1...
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Speaking of intelligence and disorders, I would enjoy learning about what might have been happening with Nikola Tesla some time. He seemed to have some kind of disorder despite being brilliant. He was a very poor business man who was misanthropic (which I understand), but to the point of being in love with a pigeon, and being bought out by Edison. That's more than just quirky or eccentric.
You work on these videos so hard, doctor. You're appreciated greatly. Thank you, as always. 👍☃️❄
I’d like to learn about him too.
@@Vacuous_Bubkis There's a hypothesis about Tesla having had Asperger's.
@@religiohominilupus5259 i was just going to say that! i personally am of the opinion that tesla was absolutely on the ASD spectrum
M Z Lol same. I love him.
@M Z 🤣😃😄 Maybe he was an alien!
Empathetic people with high IQ tend to be more depressed cause they realize how the world works and it isn't up to their standards.
"What's the point" is what it is called ;)
@TreeHuggingSunshineGirl you too?!?👍
Eh..
Where did you gather this data?
I’ve never seen data so I’m curious
@Natalie Why? Don't you have capabilities to capitalize on?
This was a fascinating insight into, and almost QUANTIFICATION OF, how incredibly negatively affected Borderlines are by their disorder.
Because my ex-BPD who was a textbook Borderline and whom I had known all through school, had an IQ almost certainly above 130, carried a 4.3 GPA due to her straight A’s in honors classes, and easily finished her BA at UCLA in 3 years with a 4.0 GPA.
And yet I can picture her deviating by 20 or more IQ points, depending on her recent life experiences, current mood, and whether or not she PERCEIVED some sort of personal slight from the person administering the test.
I have learned a lot about Cluster B disorders through many UA-cam videos, most notably on this channel. The link between intelligence and NPD has always been hard for me to reconcile. On one hand, even many experts agree, malignant narcissists will not change. The common recommendation is that we isolate them through, not only by leaving them, but by having No Contact with them ever again. This possibly enables them and likely makes them someone else's problem as we seek to preserve our own sanity. On the other hand, these people are often highly intelligent in both career and in terms of community, social, and people skills. Their memory is incredible. They have learned psychology without ever having read a single book on the topic. Why then cant they learn to overcome their pathology given time and resources? Even core beliefs can change through education. Most of us have overcome personality issues from childhood through a lifetime of feedback. I get that they dont want to change or see the need for change, but faced with a history of failed relationships over many many years, and other "facts" that clearly illustrate a deviation from our norms, why cant we find a way to teach them, and focus ourselves on how to get them into therapy. If there is no broad correlation, why cant the subset who is intelligent/NPD benefit from reasoning?
James Gerboc To your questions. You say they fail in relationships, or perhaps they simply aren’t understood, they sit in the fringe of the bell curve, so by default, they require a connection many can’t offer.
Is someone grandiose? Or are they simply intelligent? And how can someone who isn’t intelligent going to accurately determine the difference between the two?
Jeff Maybe I should be offended by your comment. But I am intelligent. And I cared deeply which makes me teachable. Maybe if someone would care enough to explain, I would understand.
@@jamesgerboc Being offended is your choice. No one can offend you. It was already explained, so if you desire knowledge, then simply ask a question.
The Anti-Social statistic really surprised me. How could a disorder so heavily associated with a dysfunctional Pre-Frontal Cortex have no association with IQ?
I really like the content of the channel, but I can't stop wondering how Dr. Grande makes exactly the same facial expressions in the beginning of each video, when he's saying "Hello, this is Dr. Grande..."
Maybe he's an Android? 🤔🤷
His expression barely ever changes.
Right 🤣
Yes
Because he's an INTP. INTPs have a cognitive function called 'introverted sensing ', which means that they will prefer to stick to their own body language and expressions, which they will accordingly remember and continuously engage in time and time again.
If he would be a personality type with an extraverted sensing function, he would preferably mimic and remember other people's body language and expressions and accordingly stick to those.
It's kind of a ritual for me to smoke weed before watching your videos, Doctor. Pretty sure it has something to do with state-dependent learning. Anyway... it backfired this time, what with all the technical shit and terminology. Heh. Ended up switching to a "cats are jerks" video. Still love your work, my dude. You have a way about you that I wish more people had: artistically rational.
I like that you say "my dude" to him. Cute. 😊
@@mrs.reluctant4095 - Aww shucks. You're making me blush.
fucking HUGE mood. u know whats up...
What exactly makes watching his videos high enjoyable for you?
Hi Dr. Grande, another great video. Please consider doing a video on verbal and performance IQ scores and what large variances between these scores may indicate (both ways).
Students would be wise to take notes on this mini-lecture. There is much to be learned here about statistical reasoning. One method of note taking is to write factoids on individual 3X5 cards (old school for a reason). Then slide those cards around into rows, columns, piles, sequences, etc. that form conclusions or provisional conclusions. Write questions as they come up, for later reference or study.
This was incredibly informative! I wish more people would hear this.
Another great video! Thank you again Dr. Grande.
I am trying to give more compliments so I can appear less narcissistic: here goes.
I've spoken to many shrinks. I've never spoken to Dr Grande, but in his videos he is the first to explain these constructs and their relationships in a way I find unobjectionable. Dr Grande is rigorous, consistent, and intellectually honest. He said somewhere that he reads an average of something like three or four articles a day was it? Well it shows. Excellent work!
I’m typing this as I want to finish watching, but I want to comment on this Scott Peterson video. Two factor thinking. I’m impressed with the thinking you did on how the police in Scott’s case did not look at the facts but in what they wanted to see. I refer to conscience which I believe of as the eye of the soul recording what it looks at; it will always record what it is turned towards. We soon lose what Ruskin 😅(1809-1899) called the “innocence of sight.” An artist does not use his logical facilities in recording what he sees; he records from the innocence of sight . A beginner sketches not what he sees, but what he knows he sees, while the artist gives the presentation of what he sees.
I’ve found in dealing with deception, I’ve had to look at the wrong doing without factoring in hypotheses or rationalization, and in a current situation I’ve written nine affidavits in response, each time seeking a layer that’s deeper than the first.
Ruskin talked about mining a mountain for ore:; similarity words must be mined for meaning.
I hope you liked this observation, I like the way you mine the minds of criminals and police and public.
Thankyou Dr. Grande...👍👍👍😀😀
Thank you for the hard work you do and that you have the guts to show it to so many (often judgemental, me included) people, doctor. Personally, the word "test" is enough to make me instantly wanna leave the room. We have a sweet song here, it's refrain says "I'm only good once no one is watching" - that's me.... I think I had too much of them.
Some critical points I want to make:
I would guess that the once called 'axis 1 disorders' affect intelligence far more than the personality disorders.
Doctor, I still have and maybe always will have a problem with the fact that you call PDs mental disorders. The DSM 5 says so, right? To me a pd is the pathology of being normal, just normal human crazyness. I think it's not fair to people with axis one disorders to equal these two. Where is the biological foundation to call PDs disorders? Where are the problems with brain chemistry or anatomy, where is structural damage that people with mental illnesses have in persons with pds? The limited ressources of the mental health system are crowded with people who aren't ill, while the severly ill persons are rejected. That's morally not right to me.
I wish you a pleasant evening, thank you for posting so early today. 🌺
Awesome stuff Dr. Grande!!!
This is awesome, great high level information and good sidenotes for proper understanding.
Great video. Also, I would love to see a video about the relationship between intelligence and therapeutic efficacy.
What a great idea!
Hm
Intelligence of the patient or the therapist?
@@barrydworak Patient
@@Gunsforshow1 Hmmm...
Offhand, this would seem like it could be a camel hump curve (2 peaks). Intelligence in the patient could help someone deceive a counselor, or could help someone have really good insights.
I think it would be interesting to see a few relationships between intelligence and efficacy, such as:
Patient goes to counseling voluntarily, at behest of spouse or other family, on orders from an employer, or with a court order, for example.
It's really hard to compare something as simple as a person who goes to AA because he wakes up and decides he's has enough of his addiction, and someone who goes to AA because the judge gives her the choice between AA and jail.
Motivation is a huge factor, and intelligence might help a patient to follow whatever that motivation is. This would have a large impact on apparent therapeutic efficacy.
That's my hypothesis anyway. 🙂
So I agree this would be really interesting if done well.
183k, Doctor - you are providing such insightful and thought provoking content! Can't wait to see ya hit 200k! 🌹🌹
So interesting as usual! Thanks! 🙂
As my highly productive OCD computer nerd husband used to say: It takes all kinds of people to make the world go 'round! I do believe it's important to find your niche as far as work goes. Nothing worse than laboring at something you're not suited for nor enjoy.
It would be interesting to learn about personality traits that contribute to test-taking anxiety. Does that type of anxiety tie in also with "stage fright?"
I think it's more rigorous than just testing. For instance the borderline that stalks me consistently thinks I'll think others are stalking me, when the only person I've ever said was stalking me was 'stalker Sarah' lol
That has to be the product of low intellect
Dr. Grande I’ve got bi polar disorder and I’ve been diagnosed with a mood disorder. I’m 54 and my childhood was a complete disaster. Because of my issues everyone thought I was stupid! I was cast a poor bird that couldn’t fly. I took a lot of IQ test in the 70s and 80s and didn’t do very well. I am so much smarter than those scores!! I did manage to graduate from college and have a normal life and I get upset when I see kids with mental disorders being labeled in negative ways. Ps I really really like your videos!!!!! Michael from Portland Oregon.
This is interesting.🙏
Thanks for this fascinating topic. It's interesting to look into intelligence and personality disorders albeit I think there's a lot more that needs to be accounted for in regards to possible confounding factors. I had to laugh at the way NPD individuals would perhaps be likely to be eager to show off'with tests whilst maybe those with paranoia would be extremely stressed beforehand! Nevertheless, being anxious about these tests doesn't necessarily mean the individual has a personality disorder but might be highly conscientious and desirous of achievement for its own sake.
Love Dr Grande channel.
Fascinating!
I shift on a lot of the big 5. When I’m in good health and perceived lifestyle, it’s high values across the board but when I’m struggling and don’t know what to do I’m big in the negative direction across the board. Openness: when I’m healthy, I’ll go out and do more new things but when I’m not it’s a lot of reclusive behavior same can be said about extroversion. Consciousness: when I’m healthy, I’ll focus on details and slowly improve on what I can. I’m usually highly agreeable but I found it’s a source for a large amount of my stress and neuroticism. People would describe me as the yes guy until the yeses put me in a unfavorable situation where I become big no reclusive no guy. I have a hard time expressing emotion with other people so I put on the happy facade they want to see. When I’m healthy I’ll be emotionally resilient internally but in times stress builds I can only stay agreeable so long before I break into a antisocial cut everyone off and make them feel bad about themselves monster. I’ve learned that victimhood mentalities basically run peoples whole outlook on the world. Im not around good people. I’m in crisis. Every US mental hospital I’ve been to since COVID started has done nothing in-terms of education of these ideas and coping mechanisms to defend one’s character and everything to chemically alter how they came in. Obviously it makes sense in cases of psychosis, but situational depression? The thing most people are going in there for? They lost their way in the world and they can’t even talk to someone about it for a week inpatient to have a chance of making sense of it and instead gets chemically altered? I don’t want to think differently. I want to release emotion to another person and make sense of my circumstance. No wonder all these people turn to addiction. They are professionally convinced doing so is a ritual option to deal with their stress.
I would imagine that being somewhat neurotic would help with test-taking since they would have a high adrenaline level making them more alert, but not so high that they would panic. And they would also be more likely to double-check they're answers.
Lol borderlines are well known for something called "belief inflexibility".
Long after all rational people realize an idea is wrong, they still believe it. Partly because of their neuroticism and psychosis
I'm a freakin genius! Lol. Thanks Dr. G
😂😂😂👍
It makes sense that the general distress felt by individuals with PDs could effect performance. It seems more of their time and energy would be diverted into efforts to maintain psychological equilibrium.
Not all people with PD suffer distress and apparently not all PDs affect performance.
It’s probably a mixed bag
@@BeckBeckGo I believe the only PD not known for above average neuroticism is Anti Social/Psychopathy.
With Schizoid Personality Disorder, I think the lack of automatic thought could contribute to variations in testing scores. I know it takes me a concerted effort to start thinking about something, but then once I've started, my thoughts fly through the information in front of me.
Lack of automatic thought? Can you go further?
@@kingkong8974 Automatic thoughts are when you automatically start generating thoughts based on a stimulus. So if someone starts a conversation with you, you automatically know that they are talking to you, and how to respond. Or if you read something thought provoking, your mind will automatically start generating different thoughts based on what you've read.
With me, when someone starts talking to me, it takes me longer than it should to consider what they have said, and formulate a response. Or if I read / see something interesting, it takes me a minute before my brain kicks in, and starts considering it.
Though once I've got myself going, I generate thoughts quickly, and can think deeply about a subject. It's just a matter of giving my brain the time it takes to start generating the thoughts.
Though if the subject I'm thinking about is something that I have extensive experience / knowledge in, then the thought generation time is almost zero.
I also have extended periods where my brain seems to be completely empty, and I appear to be daydreaming, unless I'm doing something.
@@skaus2184 wow, I have had similar experiences at times. But I think it's from my cptsd
a lot of folks with SPD also have ADD. Both disorders have a noticeable impact on processing speed and short term memory ability. ADD does make it difficult to think in a linear fashion, which is expected on a IQ test. But yes you are right the lack of automatic thought does affect test taking styles, leading to a lower result.
@@stevexie2705 Nothing I've read mentions a strong link between Schizoid Personality Disorder, and Attention Deficit Disorder.
If you can provide a link to a study which mentions this, it would be greatly appreciated.
Would you be interested in making a video about how high neuroticism affects the other four main categories, and facets? Specifically, about online test taking, or having a professional evaluate the individual. It would be interesting seeing any correlations.
I took the 300 question Big Five test recently, and began to second guess from which perspective I was to answer the questions. From my Milieu's (Hierarchy's) perspective? My Ego's, or from what I know is real to me, filtered through other's people's locked perspective and actions?
fascinating! thanks for sharing doc. to veru casually relay my test taking experience with ocpd i would say two problems arise, firstly i might disagree with the exam 😅 embarrassing if i do day so myself but getting lost in the details is to blame, i start questioning if the question was posed clearly, if the skill or knowledge the question is trying to illuminate is really best exemplified by the chosen method applied in the exam, if i am unsatisfied with the quality of some questions or exercises i might lose respect for the exam completely and stop making an effort to do it right 😅 on the other hand if i'm feeling appreciative of the quality of the test then i'll start second guessing myself, and wherever i feel the tiniest flicker of uncertainty about my answer it will haunt me and i'll double-check it way to many times, might double check all answers really, if its the kind of test where you cant jump in between questions its just one after another one single final answer then i will start making mental calculations of how many questions i think i have answered correctly and which ones could be mistakes and balancing how many mistakes moving forward can i assume the risk of and then channel my effort accordingly, so ye the stress level ech question brings grows exponentially, and if its a particularly hard exam i will enter full-onn distress mode, the result of this exam is now the variable upon which the value i have as a person now depends on 🙃
I find this is especially truth in case like mine which is social anxiety with split personality disorder, this is make things very unpredictable, I get all sorts of IQ scores in the past
Hi Dr Grande. Can you do a Michelle Carter video. Thanks love your work ♥️
Variance does not equal causation, but interesting informative correlations.
Right about 4:30 you mention that all of the personality disorders are negatively correlated with processing speed -- with that in mind: if someone were to suffer a traumatic brain injury that resulted in lasting effects on their processing speed as compared to before the injury, would it be possible that preexisting personality problems or maladaptive behaviors and comorbid conditions could then blossom into what would be considered a full-fledged personality disorder?
I have AvPD in mind when asking but am curious about all of the clusters.
This video was GREAT. I literally wondered about this very relationship just last week! I have BPD and consistently test at an IQ of 130. Still, I feel I should be about 5 points higher, and I feel that my extremely high neuroticism and tendency to dissociate in stressful (e.g. testing) situations contribute to my lower score. Thanks for this video!
If you really had that high of an IQ you would understand IQ score comes with confidence interval and 135 or 130 is within the error band. You are a liar!!
130 is still pretty good!
@Panacea All of the BPD's I've met lie about their IQ to manipulate people then go off when called out.
@@Andromeda_M31 Great to see so much stigma in videos related to mental illness.
@Panacea I took tests at my psychiatrist's office, in school, and at a neurologist.
very informative, thank you. Would you be able to share the research from 2014 you cited in your video?
thank you
I’m border-polar++ and have always heard counselors say BPD’s are among their brightest and most charming blah blah blah. I think Dr Grande is wrong on this one.
My bet is the BPD population was tested recent to their contact with social services (i.e. ~ near in time to an emotional cascade that identified them as BPD). I bet if they were retested after 3yrs of DBT they’d be substantially higher than the norm.
correlation is not necessarily causation
My crystallized intelligence is off the charts lol I've had a good 15 years of googling and YouTubing topics that interest me. I'm the kind of person that can't sleep if I don't look into the results of this unrelated rodent study from 50 years ago lol not sure about fluid intelligence, something I've always been interested in, but to tell the truth I wouldn't want to know if I was average. It would hurt my ego too much.
Doctor Todd. I want your insight into this. I came up with this thought process after a lot of thinking. So here it goes:
You have 2 kids the same age, anywhere between 7-12 yrs old. We'll name one Sam and the other Mark for names sake. They are brothers( maybe even twins)
Sam is achieving all he can academically, socially and in sports. While Mark isn't. He struggles with a lot of things.
My question is when they both reach 17-22 years of age is, which is now more successful/happy??
I'm intrigued to hear your answer on this.
In my opinion, I believe Mark to be more successful. I know theirs ALOT of variables to consider here like parenting, environment, characteristics of the individual etc BUT I've a feeling if you've a kid who thinks he or she is great n achieving well, then he might lack motivation eventually, feel like he's hit his ceiling and if his social status starts to deteriorate, it'll also affect him.
While Mark, when younger grew up watching his brother Sam get all the glory and that just added fuel to motivate him to strive. Mark knows theirs so much room for improvement whilst Sam is struggling to see what else their is to achieve.
Does this even make sense?🤷🏼♂️😂
Also, keep up the good work, only recently found you and it's intriguing learning who YOU, as in your own self, is. People feel indifferent to others a lot of the time and don't grasp the fact it's to almost do with who they are. They perceive themselves as the fault or odd one. But it's simply genetics.
Thanks again.
i had all cluster c personality disorders, 2 on cluster b, 1 on cluster a/ along with adhd
an intriguing look into a controversial topic.... we love a woke king [lmao]
fantastic video again, this is something i never even thought about before! thanks!
Dr. Grande, judging by the comments, you have the most intelligent audience I have come across on youtube. Hm, it's not a very modest observation on my part though.
It’s a decent audience. If you’re keen on interesting comment discussions btw , check out “Fall of civilizations”. Very esoteric topics unpacked for the sake of us non history people. Great storytelling without foolish sensationalism so often found in history tv! You find a lot of grateful and articulate comments. It’s refreshing, the whole experience.
Dr. Grande, can you please make a video about how to get along with a boss with grandiose narcissistic traits? I love my job, but a member of leadership at work seems to have narcissistic traits. We have placed many complaints with HR about her, no luck so far. My question is: obviously I can't get rid of her for now or distance myself. How could I make her like me?
I have bpd 😢I hate test taking omgosh I need help because I want to pursue a degree and I haven't been able to No wonder but What do I do to change this?
Can therapy help someone reduce a high level of Neuroticism, as measured by the five factor model? If so, what are the best methods? I think this has happened to me, as a result of working on my PTSD so I wonder what the research says. Thanks for all your awesome videos, they are really helpful!
Not sure but I'd say meditation wouldn't be a bad call.
Any factor that negatively impacts _test taking speed_ should also negatively impact IQ scores.
In that light, I can imagine *conscientiousness* adding _more steps_ to an already finite test time.
An individual's drive to do all things correctly may be greater than their drive to maximize an IQ score.
It's very similar to your suspicion around how neuroticism may impact IQ testing.
A person, no doubt, wants _some_ neuroticism for peak performance...but, after a point, it becomes a hindrance.
It's basically the same thing with conscientiousness in my mind.
Too much diligence will lower IQ scores.
Personally, I think conscientiousness is largely innate like extroversion. I could easily be wrong but that's what it feels like to me. The behaviors are naturally preferred and internally rewarding at the starting line. After that, people can learn to behave in more "extroverted" or "conscientious" ways but I don't really think it fundamentally changes their innate preferences. Also, I expect the external rewards that often follow conscientious behavior to be applied fairly equally regardless of intelligence. It's up for debate but I don't think we have tons of less intelligent people disproportionately honing their conscientiousness.
As you mentioned, IQ testing can certainly be very useful but... the nature of the tests will bias the results.
There will always be a significant gap between what IQ measures and what we all commonly understand to be _intelligence._
As always - Thanks for another great and interesting video!
What's the difference between OCPD and OCD. My daughter was diagnosed at age 12 with OCD. She has a very severe case of it..She's an adult now and she still has it but, it seems to be not so severe anymore. I love your videos Dr. G, I certainly learn alot.
Is it that intelligence is lowered as symptoms rise, or is it that they're less intelligent compared to "normal" individuals. Perhaps the reason correlation is so strong with borderline is because we have more IQ points to lose. What other method would you use to study intelligence instead? It's the most agreed upon, yet still it is disputed, because there's a difference between intelligence and problem solving skills. Also, where did they get this sample from? Because there are almost as many borderlines as there are self diagnosed. Inconclusive
Intelligence Testing: I know if I get a lousy grade on an IQ test it is my own fault. The best I can do is to learn about my strengths and weaknesses. Maybe it would be nice to blame the test, and/or believe it is not my fault?
A Lot Of This Going Around 🕊
There is next to no correlation between personality and intelligence, because each evolved at different times and for different reasons at most since differences in introversion and extroversion come down to differences in the the sympathetic and parasympathetic neverous system in individuals at most you will see some correlation between intelligence and introversion and extroversion, but given any living' that has something close enough to a spine and brain will have some level of G, general intelligence is more fundamental a trait than personality. Meaning fluid intelligence influences personality.
i always wonder what would happen to someone like dr grande and people with his career if they took lsd or mushrooms and see how their structured thinking would react to such an overload of expansive explainable perspective you get from them
His name was Timothy Leary - turn on, tune in, drop out.
There were a lot of problems with what he was doing, see his Wikipedia page. A better description is probably: Turn on, tune in, burn out.
Ps. We talk much about *INTELLECT* lately... But I would love to know Your opinion about theory, that *DUMBEST ONE IS, HAPPIER THEY END UP IN LIFE* . 🤨
M Buszka Fool’s paradise. But I’d rather be eudaemonic than happy.
@@evolle3000 Being fool makes one careless and this IS a bless... But as long as someone take care of them. 🙄
So I agree, prefering being independent, even if we suffer overthinking for life. 😏
I think so....it's hard having disorders and being intelligent at the same time...😊 good topic Dr. Thank you for sharing this
Is there a video on psychopathy and intelligence or ocd and intelligence? Jw.
Maybe
Me, in the middle of being diagnosed in therapy with a therapist who thinks I may have BPD: Oh... Does that mean I might just be dumb?
Also someone below in the comments explained it so well.
I don't know if I'm as open to experience as I am open to ideas.
okay so im neurotic as fuck, but dont think i have a personality disorder, and i managed to get into mensa. the weird thing was that when i got in, eveeeryone seemed very high in neuroticism and had some anxiety/depressive issue. so g man, if you have the time to look into this, it might be an interesting topic: is intelligence correlated to anxiety and/or depression. probably the answer is no, but it is probably the #1 question of anxious people: "am i just like this because im too smart"
I'm surprised by cluster B. ASPDs usually are identified via the judicial system, having been caught committing a crime. The more intelligent ones get caught less. With NPD I expected a positive correlation as successfully pretending to be more intelligent than you are requires a certain amount of intelligence to begin with. I expected a negative correlation for HPD because I can't imagine that a flighty cognitive style is particularly good for critical thinking or knowledge acquisition. They can excel in creative domains but that is not what is being measured here. And BPD also surprised me because the BPD experience is of compensated thought distortions - I would have thought that the compensation aspect required a certain amount of intelligence, and that without that piece, the individual would be more likely to present as maybe having PPD or schizophrenia or something.
So if there was some uncertainty about the presence of BPD, to what extent would intelligence affect a diagnosis of BPD?
Disorders don’t exist. We made them up to group similarities between peoples behavior. You behave the way you do for a reason. You don’t behave the way you do because of a ‘disorder.’ That explains nothing.
"You've got five out of nine of these traits so you have borderline personality disorder".
"What does that mean?"
"It means you have five out of nine of these traits".
My iq was tested professionally at 16 and was 120. But my eq was low. My eq is much better now. I don't think it's the best way to measure intelligence but it is a good base point to start from. I am likely autistic and was misdiagnosed as BPD. I should add this test was done when my dad was dying and I was not myself. Very very depressed at the time. I am curious what I would score today
Hi Dr.
I wonder if you can comment on Antonio Browns recent actions sabotaging his own career and maybe his entire life?
Hi doctor , in what cluster does cptsd sit in?
I'm not doctor..but i think cluster b sits in more likely....
Cptsd is not classified as a personality disorder therefore it is not found in any of the clusters.
Dr. Grande did go over every Personality Disorder. There are ten in total.
Complex Post-traumatic Stress Disorder belongs to a different family. PTSD with its specifiers constitutes one of the main 5 the anxiety disorders.
Thanks for the replies and info all :) X
@The Real Deal really appreciate the reply , I wondered about how it will be categorised due to it being a fairly new diagnoses, I know here in the UK the do not have a programme that can help with cptsd , they usually just apply the same techniques as they do for ptsd which is not comprehensive enough and a too narrow a view to actually make a long lasting impact for a sufferer,if any . I'm just interested in the evolution of the diagnosis for personal reasons. Thanks.
Looking at leonardo dcaprio in "dont look up" i see dr grande's doppleganger
If schizoid is less severe than Schizotypal, than why does it have a greater cognitive deficit?
"insider look" at spd, im diagnosed, i often overpreform in math, but IQ often feels like: Lets see you get into the head of the author of the test... i never feel creative, instead i feel my puzzle is to crack the writer's meaning, my IQ is a bit above avarage but at math related topic im usually overly good, in every languege related topic i'm very bad, but still above avrage, languege feels unfair because i dont need it, i barely speak to people, but i'm still constantly challenged by it
im interested if other people with pds want to share theirs
Studying a language has many more effects on the brain other than being able to speak with someone, you buffoon.
SPD is not a PD though.
@@religiohominilupus5259 Scitzoid PD is a continuum of PDs. It was discussed in the video
@@MC-qc9iz He didn't say that language hadn't many facets in the brain anyway.
10:38 Yeah I'll be honest I started to have suspicions about intellect. Actually why I searched it lol
I mean the person I'm thinking of isn't dumb per se. They actually seem to be decently knowledgeable about history, but they also seem to be much slower at processing information than their peers. They seem to be the last to fully grasp how the situation has evolved. So I'm not shocked there's a negative correlation between general intelligence and BPD.
Although I have to say, I usually suspect neuro-atypical people of generally being pretty high intelligence. Even if they haven't gone to school or made anything of themselves, they usually have profound insights and see the world in unique ways. BPD, maybe because it's a product of trauma and not brain patterns, seems to be an exception
Also not just processing and accepting information, but also critical thinking as well
A psychologist said he helped the CIA design a torture program, then when it was taken “too far” he tried to reign it in. What insights can you contribute regarding matters like this?
Who did?
If someone is tired when taking an intelligence test ?
Can only speak from personal experience but as someone with STPD and suspected SPD my fluid intelligence is abysmal. Whereas my crystallized intelligence is higher than average. I never had to study for tests growing up but ask me to find a solution for a day to day issue? You’d be better off talking to a wall lol
Oh man, this was a pretty heavy roast.
I have bpd I am a terrible test taker
Its the present time .
How terrible would it be to not forget 😢
Is arrogance a built in byproduct of high IQ?
Hoot hoot hoot hoot
The guy on which the film Rainman was based had learned himself to read at the age of three and knows complete encyclopedias. Truly spectacular. I feel tempted to smack a hammer into my head. It can trigger savant syndrome. Sadly these people are mostly not capable of living an independent life. You know the encyclopedia but you cannot pull up your pants. It is my assesment that many people have such a condition. Their special quality is acting normal while being a train wreck. This all leans on crystallized intelligence. Effectively the three year old autistic person. But not that excessive. From my perspective these people do not have any fluid intelligence at all. This is why autistic knowledge and narcissism slowly move away from practical application or has a small bandwidth. It's collections and hoarding of knowledge. I've worked in an institution for people with down syndrome. First thing you learn is that they cannot reframe a position, when they are not understood. There are many people like this. My psychologist, for example. I call her an autist with a checklist. These labellings of mine are always quite prophetic. I must certainly become more judgemental. Fluid intelligence is alien to these people.
Thanks, but you're already judgmental enough, imo. AND wrong, to boot. High-functioning autists, for instance, do have fluid intelligence. Please educate yourself further.
@@religiohominilupus5259 People losing themselves in hoarding or collecting knowledge without practical application is a primary indicator of autism. This can also exist in an academic context. It looks functional, but it's not.
@@PlanetDeLaTourette Hm, let me see... So what you're saying is that I, as an Aspie, working in the investigative field, am simly a hoarder of knowledge without any practical applications? You already proved you don't know what you're talking about. So I'll repeat what I said earlier: PLEASE EDUCATE YOURSELF--and stop spreading your ignorance. Cheers!
@@religiohominilupus5259 What is your specialism? I think many autists consider themselves investigators or researchers. I can still understand that as hoarding.
Speaking of investigation: I've already referred to standards and practices in psychology: Autistic information gathering is a form of escapism.
Planet de la Tourette Well, then let me enlighten you on one "standard and practice in psychology": pattern recognition and the ability to find solutions are an integral part of fluid intelligence. If for nothing else, autists are known for pattern recognition.
I've worked both as a criminal and a civil investigator. I wouldn't have made it if I didn't have the ability to provide solutions for each case. And due to my pattern recognition, I often outperformed my NT colleagues.
Which standards and practices in psychology are you referring to? I haven't seen any factual statements from you so far. Rather seems to me that it's actually you who lacks intelligence since you don't appear capable of either acquiring factual knowledge, nor processing it in any logical way.
You're certainly correct in your statements incorporating "these labellings OF MINE," "it is MY assessment," "from MY perspective," etc. They're nothing but your unsubstantiated--and incorrect--opinions.
I score highest on openness, and average to high on neuroticism and also do a pretty good job on iQ tests (as long as they are not about american slangs), I'm neither introvert nor extrovert. What am I?
What do you mean by neither extrovert nor introvert?
@The Real Deal hmm, I didn't know that. Thanks.
@@vsk398 It means I'm comfortable to be around people, or paid attention to and I would rather spend my time with others. Yet I prefer small groups and am not a fan of big parties.
@The Real Deal I didn't know there is a name for it. I will look into it. Thanks.
Nice little riddle there. Wouldn't know the answer.
Non related suggestion: shave your head. I was in norwood 3 too. Never looked back since I started shaving it all
I am a stable genius! Where have we heard those words?
I value my Intelligence; however the IQ standard of measurement doesn't. ;)
Not to be crude doctor Grande, but it seems they don't have to be very smart but can be savants at mindfuckery
What’s up w racism? Maybe you could make one on why racism endures through the modern age.
see here is the problem, it depends on particular coping mechanism, and the kinds of intelligence, I bet doc here can't solve simple mechanical issues, while he purports to be able to understand how people think, and yet he merely serves to irritate the hell out of me with his sense of self importance .
High conscientiousness and neuroticism must be why my IQ score is lower than it seems it should be, hmmm. This makes a lot of sense
you mean low consciousness?
@@BroCactus no in the video he specifically says high. If it's high you're mind is focused on other things like screwing up and getting something wrong or you're paying attention to the person giving the test instead of the test or something else distracting.
@@marquislexil Due you mean conscientiousness?
@@babblingalong7689 yes, thank you. I had a brainfart
@@marquislexil No problem it's a terrible word.
Dr. Grande is always only talking about statistic data, and how the correlate. This kind of knowledge (and people with high IQ like to operate with that much and are good in that), is not that important, because it doesn´t go deep, because the most important thing is to explain the correlations, and for understanding them, you need to have pictures of life, or in this case, you need to have seen the people in real life (like Shakespeare) to fully understand the correlations. And only this kind of knowledge is really of worth (!!!!!), not the whole playing with statistics. Therefore the most important ability is the intellect (!!!!!), like Shakespeare for example had it, because only this ability enables you to fully understand these things by having seen the platonic ideas in human behaviour. What Dr.Grande does all the time is just playing with statistic without understanding the reasons for that. This is just empty knowledge, when you dont know, why this was the case....(but people, who are better in IQ than in openness prefer this empty knowsledge...)
To sum up, I think all of you will understand, that for example the knowledge of Shakespeare in analyzing the human behaviour (which is only possible with high intellect/openness) is so so superior than the "knowledge", which is the result of playing with statistics without understanding the real reasons for that. Shakespeare didn´t need all these statistics, because they have very low worth.
I would wish, that Dr. Grande at least try to explain the reason behind these things more, instead of only referring to statistics! But like I said, for this superior knowledge, IQ is not enough, and you need intellect/openness, which is especially in areas like psychology the by far most important ability to understand the things really deeply!!
don't know what to say. what an amorphus bag .....
Mr. Grande, the more I listen to ur explanations the emptier I feel. Your ➿ is monotone. I find ur conclusions myopic and dry
To you, ppl are amoebas
2b analyzed under a microscope🔬
We can't reduce human beings to mere statistics. The labeling gets old. I can only assume that you spend most of ur time analyzing people by clusters. Hope you can show some signs of life, that would be refreshing.
Maybe you're on the wrong channel? The study of psychology is all about correlation and statistics. I like the thorough explanations, and not just the social psych. alone.
Hope you feel better now!!
What do you suggest? Anecdotal evidence for everything?
Maybe Dr. Grande isn't a good fit for you? Perhaps Louise Hay, Dr. Wayne Dyer, Eckart Tolle would be a better match. Find your tribe and be happy. :-)
@@brusselsprout5851 LOL!!!