the more time goes on, the more MAPPA just sucks as a company edit: damn a pin! thank you and for all the likes! this channel honestly is great and deserves more subs.
Its crazy how mappa went from making shows for the arts to shows for the charts. They just dont make shows like Dororo, Kids on the slope, Terror in Resonance, Banana Fish etc anymore
A part of the shift does come from Maruyama Masao left MAPPA in 2016. During his tenure as one of the main producers at Madhouse, he was known for giving opportunities to a LOT of creators if he believed that their talents were worth cultivating. It could be argued that this stance was the reason for Madhouse's push into both critical and popular success for the 80s to the mid-2000s.
It’s just capitalism. The guy who made MAPPA from what I’ve heard had escaped from an older studio that wasn’t allowing him to make “shows for the arts”. That kind of content brings an audience, which brings more money grubbers who tear down what made the new studio successful. They don’t know or care how or why the big bucks came in to begin with. They strangle and discards the ppl who make what ppl like. Then the executives escape with hefty paychecks they made from exploiting ppl, leaving a smoking crater behind. From the remnants, ppl strive to create new content elsewhere. And the cycle begins anew. This is basically every company.
@@znotetakureviews9138I totally agree that this is where things went wrong. Coming from Madhouse he had all of the right connections, and he seemed to have a mindset where he placed considerable trust and respect in the creatives behind the shows. It's sad to have watched Mappa go down this path, especially when I look at Trigger who seems to have managed to stick to their guns creatively over the years 😢
The fact that they didn't announce this sooner just to keep fans rooting for them so they can get bigger and bigger and get big IPs is just disgusting and sickening.
I remember when Yuri on Ice first aired and Japan wouldn't let international fans buy merch and all the ways people tried to get around that. The amount of money people spent to get merch, idk how it didn't make money for Mappa.
They've been gunning for sole owning their big names; it might be that the split between companies on the production committee made it more marginal. Really blows that a big bunt of money that got them those rights came from us YOI suckers though.
Mappa is eating themselves alive. I have no idea what other outcome they expected when they started collecting IPs like Infinity stones, and treating their employees like dirt, even higher-up ones like directors. Creating art, especially hand-drawn animation, isn't a process you can treat like it's a factory were the workers are interchangeable, without repercussions.
No kidding. MAPPA has over the past two years very quickly ascended my list of most-reprehensible anime studios, and now everything from them moving forward is going to be tough to watch without seriously wondering what is going on behind the scenes. I remember back in December 2022, a Tweet came to light that MAPPA needed to hire some outsourced help to finish the in-betweens for "Chainsaw Man." Between that and the grumblings about "Attack on Titan's" final season as reported by Anime News Network, MAPPA has been putting a giant target on its back.
@@znotetakureviews9138 is there any chance you (or anyone else) would have good recs for where to learn more about what's going on with MAPPA? I don't keep up with news about the studios themselves that much, but having been a fan of various works MAPPA has produced (just recently started getting into JJK too) + knowing how in-studio/production issues can cause major problems, I'm definitely curious about the situation now.
@@natalimoinaIn the case of "Chainsaw Man," the Tweet I spoke about came to light 5 days before the final episode was supposed to air with picture evidence to back up the claim, and apparently asked for 3000 frames of in-betweening / cleanup. If we assume about 23 minutes per average anime episode, that totals about ~29,000 frames per episode, which means that in the days leading up to the finale, nearly 10% of the episode wasn't done yet. The problem is not outsourcing as a concept - the problem is that MAPPA is consistently putting everyone in-house through the grinder, and we can also therefore assume that the people MAPPA is outsourcing to are ALSO put into the grinder.
i'm not going to lie, i knew this movie was probably not going to happen after all these years, but man does it still hurt. yoi was in no way shape or form a perfect anime but it sure was fun and brought novelty to the anime scene. i do hope maybe some other studio could pick it up but i don't want to raise my hopes too much.
Yeah, sad as it is, the writing was on the wall for "Ice Adolescence," but it doesn't make it hurt any less depending on who you are. Even as someone who did not like the original series, I wanted to see this movie and see what it could narratively offer. A shame that it looks like that will never be. A property changing studios is not unheard of ("Full Metal Panic!" went from Gonzo to Kyoto Animation, and then to Xebec, and "To Your Eternity" moved from Brain's Base to Drive between seasons 1 and 2), but it's generally true that properties tend to stay within the same studio. But here's an interesting wrench in the gear: no studio--to my knowledge, anyway--has been announced for the new season of "Dorohedoro," which was a MAPPA adaptation. Now, a movie production is different from a TV seasonal, but it is worth pointing out that MAPPA doesn't seem to be in control of the new season for that. What does that mean for "Ice Adolescence?" Well, nothing really since that's an entirely different property. Still though, only time will tell if another studio decides to take it on.
Hearing about Yuri on Ice again reminds me of when I had friends and acquaintances in high school being super-fans of the show.....it just sucks imagining how it must feel to be them, being teased for this long then getting spit in the face by a company that mainly cares about their wallet.
It certainly seems that way. Of course, there's a lot of ambiguity at play here, but Ohtsuka's remarks certainly provide...a perspective, is what I'll say.
Yuri on Ives blueray first week sales are still to this day the highest sales the company has ever made. Jjk and chainsaw man aren't even close in comparison despite being more recent series and supposedly having a bigger fanbase with wider appeal. If mappa was worried about money they wouldn't be canceling the YOI movie, they'd be milking the fans for every cent. I think the uproar over it's cancellation goes to show just how active and large the fanbase still is after seven odd years of NOTHING. Most studios would kill to have such a huge fanbase so heavily invested in an IP but Mappa has done literally nothing with YOI outside the anime and OVA. Money isn't the concern.
as a huge Yuri on ICE!!! fan, i really do appreciate you taking the time to acknowledge the crew behind the series losing all of that work because of the cancellation and how MAPPA's practices are just horrible because i feel like those also need to be spoken about and not just the (justified) upset from fans
Thank you for your kind words. The truth is, in part because of the anime industry being very much behind closed doors, any opportunity to help boost the general awareness or education of how this medium works as a business is worth doing. "Yuri!!! on ICE" has the benefit of a large devoted fanbase collectively mourning / reconciling, so it's being given more of a public face than it might have for some other, more unknown property. When I talked about "The Age of Delays" in my video of the same title, I tried articulating how the modern anime producing climate is just not conducive to creating or promoting work because there are too many embedded issues that make a simple solution impossible. The sad reality is that, unless SOME kind of fix is found, then no property is safe, no matter how devoted the fanbase or dedicated the creative team :(
@@znotetakureviews9138 you're absolutely right! it's even an issue with animation in the states, which is especially seen in Spiderverse i'm definitely checking out your Age of Delays video next - i think you really word your points incredibly well
Indeed. Even if every studio is trying to make money (because they would close otherwise), MAPPA's recent decisions are just getting bombarded with criticism and workplace horrors coming to light. Even though MAPPA outcry has been starting ever since "Attack on Titan" staff started openly complaining, it's only gotten worse with time.
I've seen someone say that their friends made fun of them for crying and mourning the cancellation, even saying that they were happy it's canceled "bc it means jjk will come faster". All I could feel reading that message was contempt and disgust for the poor staff and animators who suffer through the working conditions MAPPA puts them through for projects. Those comments are a spit in the face, as if they aren't working at break-neck pace already, with them apparently making a whole jjk movie in only 4 MONTHS. I am glad that I haven't bothered watching anime lately, bc MAPPA is not getting my support
For a studio like Mappa I don't really think they'd cut a movie like this because it wouldn't be profitable or being short handed on staff, but then again I also can't prove malice. Mappa's art is like paintings made with blood, they can be pretty, but you need to accept the rather negative way there were created. I just wish we lived in a world where a cancellation like this wasn't the death nail for a series, rather allowing some other more intrested group to pick it up. Alas, copyright laws and such. In the end I'm not super informed on the situation and I'm not very attached to the series as my only connection is that my Sister has watched it, but I see how others are sad, and I feel bad for them. Art getting cancelled like this sucks.
Indeed. It was honestly Ohtsuka's 2023 statement in KOMPASS about the original anime not making MAPPA much of a profit that kind of served as the missing piece, at least as I framed it here. Since it was from the president of the company, that does give it more credence of being "the truth" rather than some random Twitter account saying that "X made no money." Given MAPPA's recent actions, it's becoming increasingly tougher to not view most things that the studio makes or does through a highly cynical lens. The "Jujutsu Kaisen" fiasco was, along with "Wonder Egg Priority," one of those metaphorical open-the-door moments that made people in the anime community who were not privy to these kinds of issues take note of them. As such, "Yuri!!! on ICE" getting iced reads as especially bad since the text of the show was about the liberation of self-expression through ice-skating and romance. There is, perhaps, a sad reading in that money-concerned MAPPA would crush such an emotional story for so many.
Yuri on ICE was what got me back into art. I was captivated by how they captured the beauty of movements and the richness of colours. I remember I took my sketchpad everywhere back then. I'm sad to hear the film has been cancelled. I'm very sad to hear it's to do with financial return as well.
I haven't ever watched Yuri on Ice, but as a Madoka fan, I absolutely sympathise with how heartwrenching must've felt to hear these news for a YoI fan. I really hope that Madoka's movie sequel doesn't end up meeting the same fate.
Without saying anything for sure, I think that "PMMM" is safe. The series's original chief director is serving as the movie's director, and Shinbou is slated to be chief director for the new movie. Especially since "PMMM" is arguably even more high-profile than "Yuri!!! on ICE" comparatively, the announcement of a new movie so long after "Rebellion" seems more secure on the surface. However, Shaft is also not without its own recent problems with productions, as "RWBY: Ice Queendom" and "League of Nations Air Force Aviation Magic Band Luminous Witches" were both struck with serious hiccups in the pipeline. Here's hoping that it goes alright.
the new Madoka Magica movie has a trailer and release time for later this year, so truly its the good ending for this type of waiting...at least I hope!!! (saying this as a fan of both YoI and PMMM)
According to tweets from insiders the movie went through post production. But mappa wanted it censored and the creators didn't. So there were conflicts there. The money thing is bs. They could have released more merch for YoI and made money like that. The insiders also confirmed that ice adolescence would have been Victor's backstory and not a continuation of season 2. It sucks. If they don't want it then mappa should sell the license to a company that will give us fans the movie and/or a season 2
Just my theory, but I think they were just scared to actually show Victor and Yuri being in a relationship. They're fine with hinting to it, but even the thought of showing a healthy queer relationship frightens them, I guess.
@@LynnHermione If I remember right from leaked information if the movie went well it was likely the creators could push for a sequel series, and they didn't want that because they were worried having an openly gay series would tank their sales in certain "key markets" internationally.
@@feistsorcerer2251I honestly still don’t understand that because Japan is known for having their “yaoi” section of entertainment. They made the guys kiss and propose in the show but wouldn’t let them have a full fledged relationship?? Some homophobic bullshit is going on here.
Sometimes taking care of existing fan base is more important then money. And sure maybe it will bring less money, but maintain existing customers is not less important to make and keep money going for the future of your business. Money is not everything that's what they need to learn. You can see it very strong in restaurants that do everything to keep their regular customers happy then take more money.
I understand the feeling. The thing is, as far as MAPPA is concerned, "Jujutsu Kaisen," "Hell's Paradise," and "Chainsaw Man" and other such properties essentially IS taking care of their existing fanbase - so long as the quality continues to be good / good enough, they'll support the studio even in the midst of the horrid behind-the-scenes matters that have happened. At this rate, those viewers are not going to up-and-vanish - they're likely going to stick around. I can only speculate, so please do not take this as "the truth," but as far as the executives are concerned, they've seen their moneymaking / customer satisfaction future, and it's in things like the aforementioned shows, not "Yuri!!! on ICE." EDITED FOR SPELLING
@@znotetakureviews9138 well they will learn in the future that it's not the case. It's not that hard to understand once those "fans" will leave. And they will get a bad name for abandoning their fans.
There's a restaurant called Haidilao. They actively spend so much on quality to the point i walked out with toothbrushes, a new water flask, and while i was there got higher service then what i paid and that's why i'd go back over the other place with good food and higher prices and slightly less fine service. Same for media. The people will come if they like you enough.
Honestly I think all the fans knew it probably wasn't going to come out at this point, it was just the lack of an official cancelation that was keeping us holding on to hope. Now that it's happened it's more of a bitter "why did you wait this long?" than anything else.
Certainly. It hits differently compared to manga / LNs because with those, cancellations or quick wrap-ups due to waning interest are not unheard of. An anime getting cancelled hurts far more since there are decidedly fewer anime. For it to happen to an original like "Yuri!!! on ICE" feels extra insulting.
It is worth mentioning that Yamamoto Sayo, the main creator of Yuri on Ice, has disappeared after directing OVA SEX~prologue~ back in 2018, it is very likely that she is no longer working in MAPPA studio. It is also rumoured that Yamamoto was at odds with the production committee, affecting the production of Yuri's movie negatively.
For years they were just deceiving us that it would be released, after a while I thought its production had actually stopped and this morning I found out it was canceled I hate mappa.
As someone else who wrote in the comments, I got in YOI fandom around 2 months ago and let me say I got OBSESSED, even tho I barely watch anime actively. The anime gave me way more inspiration and enjoyment in my skating since I tend to be like Yuuri when a competition is near, it made me be least nervous before them and actually enjoy them. I started waiting for the movie with the little of hope the fandom still had, I got devastated when I heard the news. So I can only thank YOI for such enjoyment, and I don't think I'll leave the fandom any early. Mappa should really be thankful to yuri on ice.
What’s sad to is if moneys a concern I firmly believe the fan base is alive enough even after 7 years to have definitely turned a profit, all that waiting just for them to cancel 😞
As I was working on three different video scripts (one of which is, coincidentally, about a yuri manga), I got a DM from someone asking "Why is everyone getting so upset over this movie?" I hope that this provides at least some kind of clarity. There are other aspects I did not touch on (such as there being another example of a female director in anime not being able to get / realize work), but that's an entirely new kind of discussion that far exceeds "Yuri!!! on ICE." Therefore, I do not address it here. My apologies if that was something that you wanted perspective on.
This show has been whats kept me alive for the past year. Its weird but it reslly helped me when i was contemplating ending my own life, which sounds stupid because its "just" and ice skating anime. But it meant alot to me, and so did the movie. I mean a now huge animstion studio puttinf out an lgbtq anime? Thats a big thing to me, and they took that away. I dont know weather to be more mad or sad. Either way, ive still been crying.
I obviously cannot claim to offer insightful (or perhaps even meaningful) counsel, but as far as "whether to be more mad or sad," I'd say you can be both mad and sad in equal measure - they don't necessarily need to be measured "against one another" in quite that way. Either way, it is a shame that perhaps the most-public LGBTQ+ anime of the past 10 years getting shafted is rather depressing, even from someone like me who is not a fan of the original anime.
I just came across your comment and had to say something. What you said doesn't sound quote "stupid" at all. YoI has helped me through some of the darkest times in my life, similar to what you described. Just watching the love and friendship between Yuri and Victor always made me think that life can be beautiful. And that gave me so much hope in dark times. Even if it's just an anime, it is so important to me, so I 100% understand. Hope you're doing fine.🩵
As sad and frustrating this situation is, I can't say I didn't see it coming, after 4 years of waiting and barely getting amy news, it was pretty clear to me that the movie wasn't happening but they didn't want to make it official so they just left us there clinging to a molecule of hope. I wish we could at leat get like a manga or something where the original story for the movie it's explored, but I doubt we could even get that. Goodbye Yuri On Ice, you were amazing.
There is no way Yuri on Ice did not net Mappa enough revenue to produce Ice Ado, that is a bold faced lie they want to use to push criticism away from the company and onto the show itself and fans. And considering the shows that Mappa produced and snatched up after Yuri on Ice and the quality of said shows, I 100% believe they used the money from Yuri on Ice promotions, events and merch (because there was plenty) to fund these other series. It’s also way more believable that Directors were running into issues getting more lgbtq+ leaning aspects of Ice Ado approved and constantly having to rewrite the script and at some point they probably did run into money issues because they allocated it all on other projects.
I wasn't particularly attached to Yuri on Ice, but I was looking forward to seeing Victor in the movie a lot. YoI being such a hit and the trailer looking so good, only to go to nothing, just..... seriously blows. What a fucking shame.
I feel sorry for those who recently fell in love with yuri. I watched it when it came out weekly years ago. And had years to come to terms that it won't comeback. Recent fans won't have that time cushion. I was hoping forvan Evangelion situation where there were years between installments but it isn't meant to be.
I've seen some fans have some faith (or maybe just trying to cope with it) that even with how long it's been, that we may still get a comeback in the future, even if not in a year or two. They've been using series that haven't had continuation until 13+ years later(this year or so) as a way to hold on to that hope, which could be a potential possibility, though maybe or maybe not with MAPPA...
I watched this without knowing it was a bl and still loved it like I was a bit confused with the romance but I still really enjoyed it 😭 i literally started tearing up once I heard this 😭😭😭😭😤😤😤😡😡😡 They could at least put out the script so the fans could read it you know?
Fr I didn't know they were even making the sequel but I want it now. What is up with some genuinely good and fun anime never getting a sequel they deserve man? First it was Nozaki kun and now this 🥲
There are a total of three fandom that I was ever seriously invested in. I’m talking hours of my teenage/young adult life, 8year+ long friendships, first internet fights and first pay checks are all entangled with these fandoms and although I gave up hope 2 years ago I can never forgive mappa for screwing around with everyone’s time and leading us on like this for years
Well fuck, Mappa is really shitty. I feel bad for the cast and crew of the movie. They've probably been planning that movie out for years and the moment they got the ok to make it they started work on it, only to find out a bit later that it was all a lie. That's like being offered a 6 part book deal only to learn that half way thru your first book, the deal fell thru so all you can put out is like what you wrote....
I don't see a lot of people talk about this, but what probably played a big role in getting the movie cancelled is that Russia is officially banned from the Olympics. Russian skaters have to perform under the neutral flag, and they can't use Russian anthem. Considering the Ice Adolescence was supposed to be about a Russian figure skater, this makes sense.
While I understand the thought, I'm not sure if it quite applies to that much of an extent. Especially since it's supposed to be a story from the past (and anime has had stories taking place in the past with Soviet-era influences, like "Schwartzmarken" in East Germany during the Cold War or "Irina: The Vampire Cosmonaut" during the Space Race), I don't think "Ice Adolescence" would have transgressed anything on that front.
This doesn’t even make sense. Yuri on Ice is an anime from 2016, you probably aren’t part of the figure skating community but Russia already had their ban for the 2018 Olympics because of what happened in 2014 in Socchi. When the anime was released Russia already couldn’t compete with their flags, what happened is that with the war in 2022 they got banned at all from official competitions and can’t even compete under “”committe of athletes from Russia”” or something.
It just sucks because people have been waiting for 7 years ive been waiting for about 3 years now aswell I think a lot of us saw it comming but it sucks cause they have been making us wait for this announcement for 7 years and leaving us with this bit of hope that maybe one day it wil come out
yoi got me into figure skating when it came out, a few weeks ago I started skating again after years and was so excited about the movie. then BAAM, it gets cancelled the next week
Yuri on Ice was the very first anime I ever watched, so even though I’m not as big a fan any more, it will always hold a special place in my heart. Honestly, I had a feeling the movie was never actually gonna happen after being edged for 7 years, but it still hurts.
They could have just made Phichit doing a one man ice show or something if they were scared of actually confirming a relationship or because of the characters' nationalities. They could have mafe a spinoff on the triplets. I'd even sit and watch Minami or an hour of Makkachan dozing. The fact they just left the series there is not how you should be making anime history....
Having watched the show when it was first released and fangirling with my friends when we heard about the movie, just to have wasted 7 years waiting for it is downright cruel. The only other time I waited patiently for an anime and was worried about this being the outcome was for AOT, but at least they came back and finished the franchise/projects they promised fans.
i remember back in 8th grade when i watched the show for the first time. The opening, the premise, the mix of cultures, the queerness. i absolutely fell in love with Yuri On Ice. Nothing that comes out these recent years can compete with that for me. dont get it wrong, jujutsu kaisen or whatever is probably great but its so mainstream and i cant bring myself to watch it. Theres something so human in Yuri On Ice. you can feel the creator is a person with their own interests and they want to share their passion with us. ultimately, it got me into bl (and gl) as a whole. theres something pure in romance bl (not the rapey weird ones) and it shows relationships in a state where both parties are completely equal, unlike straight romance. In this case. Yuri felt like he wasnt equal to viktor and he worked to catch up to him. I will never forget what this anime did for me and my life. O7
@@sarov7658 i guess thats true, but if japan doesnt wanna release yoi just because of their birthrates then they should ban bl manga which is also extremely popular in japan these days
@@dextrosefather less visibility as popular as manga can be anime is a whole different giant and not just this I think they cancelled another one called ten count that's why I feel this way
We know that Mappa got a raw deal from their initial contract with the production committee for YOI. However, it was a learning experience for them, and it's a shame Mappa chose to give up on a proven moneymaker in favor of pursuing projects that don't cater to YOI's audience at all. At this point, they're a big enough studio that they should have the bargaining power to renegotiate a contract that nets them more profit. In the meantime, they've effectively abandoned the female audience they initially engaged with YOI. Mind you, Kids on the Slope is a josei adaptation, and they later went on to adapt Banana Fish before going full tilt into picking up popular shonen licenses. It feels like they used female anime fans to gain success and then abandoned them. Not to mention the female creators behind YOI whose work is surely trapped in a licensing agreement they can't get out of. It wouldn't be unprecedented to pursue a second season at a different studio, one that actually sees the potential YOI clearly has artistically AND financially. If Mappa feels scorned by the poor experience they had with YOI then why not let the license go? If they're not making money off it, why hold on to it? It's disrespectful to the creators and their vision, it's disrespectful to the fans, and it's disrespectful to the medium of anime. The profit potential of YOI is not in question, but somehow still, a series with a large female audience gets shafted for petty reasons that are antithetical to art making AND profit!
Yuri on ice was one of the first anime I ever watched in 2017 and I'm so upset we don't get the movie after such a long wait!!!! Hopefully Medalist will fill the void 😭
It pisses me off so much because yoi had such a big fan base and something that we had been waiting for fvcking forever... I really hope that MAPPA changes their mind
Soo disappointed I waited years for season 2 for nothing 😭 I knew it was too good to be true when I heard Black Butler will have a canon and Yuri on Ice will release Ice Adolescence 😭😭 Yuri on Ice was what got me into Yaoi....It got my hopes up and it also dropped it...My heart....I waited 7 whole years for this,watched yuri on ice when I was back in Elementary and now im Graduating senior High,I rewatch this anime Once a year because of the nostalgia where my friends and I would fangirl over this anime 😭😭
I watched Yuri on Ice and loved it. Sports anime is a genre I like because I’m not very athletic, seeing characters learn, grow and succeed is great. This caught my eye because of Yuri’s growth. It was on my to watch list for years sad to see it cancelled.
i remember being 14 and watching the episodes of this anime when they were just premiering, of course they were in japanese but it was so exciting. when yura won i was screaming like crazy, nobody really expected it then, everyone thought the main character would win. those times were great. yeah this anime had some problems, everyone was making fun of animation (a recurring situation with mappa, just remember that one dororo episode 💀). i really loved this anime. then 2022 happened (i live in ukraine) so i was left conflicted because i still love yoi but it's about russians. i'm not sure i would have watched the movie if it came out so it didn't particularly disappoint me that the movie was cancelled. but yeah the way mappa handled the situation is weird. this is the anime that made you famous and that's the way you treat its fans. not cool. they should have announced their decision a long time ago.
I can imagine that this would have been an expensive project for them, considering that it would be difficult to use any 'stock footage', I don't remember the original show having many stock scenes at all which would mean they couldn't cut as many corners as some animations do. Plus if it's going to have the quality of the original animation and a similarly amazing sound track, the artists and sound technicians would have to be some of the more experienced ones. Add in paying for the motion cap for the skating plus professional skaters and choreographers... well, they'd have to either hire those or buy rights to use existing performances and neither would be cheap considering YOI's success, everyone would want a piece of the pie. I really wanted this to be made but I do see how it would be very expensive to make.
I honestly thought the reason for the delay was due to the fact that this would’ve been heavily focused on victor’s early years and therefore be located in Russia, which may have been paused in due the current political climate
I love Yoi so having it officially cancelled makes me so sad and disappointed. However not surprised considering how long we fans have been kept in limbo.
I just recently got into Yuri on ice and even tho I heard abt the movie getting canceled I didn’t pay attention to it until I finished YOI and realized I loved it which made me remember the cancellation of the movie. I’m still so sad😭😭🤞
It's certainly a sad development, no doubt. All that effort that was already put into the movie, and we'll likely never see it. Oh, and welcome if you're a first-time viewer! :)
I’ve never watched the show, nor am I a huge anime fan, but hearing about this genuinely pisses me off. I’ve had to see many of my favorite cartoons or tv shows be cancelled because it simply didn’t make enough money for the company. It aggravates me how the entertainment industry as a whole just seems like it’s only here to make money nowadays. I hope for all the YoI fans that something good will happen for the series.
What breaks my heart here is that promo we saw of victor, alone….. walking in snow to the frozen ocean shore with super sad music playing…… leaving with that hurts, he seemed so lonely, so sad. I wanted to see the story of Ice Adolescence, I wanted to see the ending, where victor is smiling in Yuri’s close loving company, the sun is shining and it’s warmer, the ice melted away, and victor is happy.
Yuri on Ice was not perfect at all. You could see in the episodes the animation and writing flaws. But it was the fact that you could tell how special it was. I didn't watch it as it aired, I did in 2021 and although it wasn't my first anime, it was the one that captivated me the most. The songs, the characters and the charm it had is something I wish to never forget. I mean.. Shit!!! Even sukuna was disappointed with the situation.
haha what a joke - YOI doesn't bring profit but somehow it was good enough to finance the bringing in the projects that they're focusing on now let's not even talk about all the hurdles put in front of YOI bc of its lgbt+ themes compared to other franchises and which it still surpassed regardless, but sure, it doesn't have enough of a public and doesn't bring money.
So we just got another NANA, great anime that probably never got finished. But this time autor need to suffer to see thier story be left behind forever..
Yuri on Ice is what got MAPPA international recognition. Their fans have been supporting them for YEARS too, just wanting more content... And this is what they do. Abandon the property that made them famous in the first place, abandoning their fans, and taking on too many projects than they can handle while abusing their staff... Man.
It's either censorship or ignorance, and I'm tired of it. Companies just really hate content that features same gender relationships unless they make a massive profit for them -- which they won't, because unfortunately its more of an Indie thing. My disappointment is immeasurable and my day us ruined.
Yuri on Ice was the first anime that I watched all the way through. I loved the story, the relationship dynamics, and the artistry. It is a love story that treats two males that love each other with respect showing it as something that is good. Neither one of them is abused, or in any way a victim. Both are adults. Their relationship is between them, and they don't just go out and tell everyone, but they also don't try to hide it either. They wear their matching rings when with other people. Neither is ashamed of being who they are. This is rare, especially in an animation.
I’m not even into this genre, like absolutely not (not into romance in general). This was the only anime I watched from it because my friends kept going on about it so I decided to watch it too and I really enjoyed. Really sad to see it like this.
It was coming, any fan with a bit with common sense could see it. I remember how they dropped the second trailer in the week of November 5th 2020...and raised 1M views in a couple of days. "YoI Ado trailer might be killing Putin" was everywhere.
I heard that yoi movie was cancelled and really don’t care bc I haven’t watched the series till now. And now I wanna cry soooo bad , can’t understand why Mappa dropped this work of art. I’ve been thinking it’s because Russia or something , also read that the script is center en victor and not yuri, that’s not enough to cancel for me . Hope another studio could take the project
From what i heard the movie was supposed to be Victor's backstory, why he got into skating. Prequels dont do well in anime either and considering how overworked all the studios are since anime is growing worldwide, it's not surprising that Mappa would drop a movie so their people could work on the multitude of seasons they have on their schedule.
Yeah, given the poster and the title, that's a pretty fair assumption to make about what the plot would have entailed. Of course it may not take place within the "present-day" Yuri and Victor relationship, but the increased attention on Victor's past may have put certain aspects of their dynamic into newer focus. Even without being about "Yuri x Victor" specifically, the movie could still inform it, if that makes any sense.
I had heard the news because of a meme post about how boy love fans got hit hard this April. I’m not in the other fanbase that was involved, but I did love Yuri on Ice. It’s just a pleasant show. Such a shame to be canceled just like that…
well shit I had waited for the movie during most of my time in school that i remember oh well, im honestly not too surprised with the stupid amount of work mappa keeps forcing on their animators fix your broken industry before taking on so much work
The anime kept me company during a very dark time when it first came out, and I will forever treasure it. It was the first time I saw a Russian not being a villain or a sexy spy/s€x worker. The impact it had on our Eastern Euro diaspora friend group was insane. Was looking forward to the movie, and I'm really heartbroken it was canceled.
While I've been watching anime my whole life, Yuri on ice is the only anime my best friend has ever watched. it really says something cause they have no interest in anime whatsoever, I wasn't even the one who recommended it! this whole thing is just depressing
I may be jaded, but I’m pretty convinced the queer element played a big part in the cancellation. The reason fans were as ravenous as they were isn’t coincidental, it’s because YoI came out of nowhere to give starved audiences a healthy, emotionally mature romantic mlm relationship just sitting there, out in the open. YoI made the queerbaiting question seem like just semantics because even if they didn’t explicitly show them kissing or say out loud that they were dating, it did literally everything else in its wheelhouse to make it as obvious as possible that they were in love. But it meant that the studio then had to put its money where its mouth is, cause to test the waters sure, it might make sense in japan’s political climate to be careful the first time around. But continuing the franchise meant having to genuinely engage with queerness as a topic, or risk angering the fanbase who would not likely tolerate veiled allusions for very long, if at all. Fans were rabid for more, but they were rabid probably for all the wrong reasons (representation matters yall) and I could bet untold worldly possessions that that was at the heart of development hell: a fight over how explicit to make the show’s central queer themes.
A property changing studios is not unheard of ("Full Metal Panic!" changed from Gonzo to Kyoto Animation to Xebec, just to use one example), but it does not happen terribly often. A part of that depends on the previously agreed-upon license for the original intellectual property, and whether it's even allowed for that to take place legally. Plus, with the franchise being what it is, a new license would likely come far more expensive to the studio that wants to make "Ice Adolescence," which means they have to measure whether it would be worth the cost of investment. There's also the idea that, if "Yuri!!! on ICE" is allowed to continue on elsewhere, they may be able to make a story that ISN'T "Ice Adolescence" because, for all we know, that idea is the intellectual property of MAPPA. There are too many unknowns to draw any for-sure conclusions.
@@znotetakureviews9138 Well, perhaps we should start a petition to at least see. We've been waiting a long time. We deserve a more concrete reason to the end of YOI than whatever MAPPA decides to make up.
There are many schools of thought for why MAPPA won't pursue the Yuri On Ice movie. Personally, I believe it's a combination of the continuous conflict between Russia and Ukraine as well as plain old procrastination. MAPPA clearly got distracted with other animes, forgot about Adolescence and by the time they thought to put it out the war started up. Added with their recently exposed bad treatment of animators MAPPA can't handle further scrutiny. Plus Jujutsu Kaisen is near the end of its manga so I'm sure they want animators focused on getting the anime caught up with it. And I'm being real as I add in a fourth, elephant in the room reason. Shipping. Entertainment studios know about shippers, but don't really like to admit it. And as one myself, I've seen things get out of line and some people taking it way too personally. Like saying they'll come to someone's house in real life personally. People are quick to accuse others of being certain things for liking certain pairings. Even back then we saw it happen. I'm sure I don't need to remind History Makers who were around since Day 1 the venom and vitriol that was spewed by some people towards those who liked Otabek and Yurio together. To say nothing of the queer baiting issue that rears its ugly head now and then. MAPPA likely doesn't want to risk stepping on any toes. Yes it sucks, and MAPPA should have announced this much earlier than to leave us hanging for years. But honestly? I think this is for the best. At least we still have the show itself and the memories.
as ukrainian, i can prove your point. i can't stand another tolerisation of russia. this anime glorifies russian culture, which was stolen from other nations. my culture was destroyed, poets and artists were shot on the spot to replace them with pushkin and dostoevsky! they even appropriated our cultural figures (Kazymyr Malevych with his famous black square, for example). how can people romanticise and popularise their "aesthetics" after that?
@@vulpsa I don't know if I would say Yuri On Ice glamorized Russia entirely, since skaters from other cultures are featured and we focus more on Japan for the first few episodes, but I can confirm that people let a lot of BS slide for aesthetics.
the more time goes on, the more MAPPA just sucks as a company
edit: damn a pin! thank you and for all the likes! this channel honestly is great and deserves more subs.
Its crazy how mappa went from making shows for the arts to shows for the charts. They just dont make shows like Dororo, Kids on the slope, Terror in Resonance, Banana Fish etc anymore
A part of the shift does come from Maruyama Masao left MAPPA in 2016. During his tenure as one of the main producers at Madhouse, he was known for giving opportunities to a LOT of creators if he believed that their talents were worth cultivating. It could be argued that this stance was the reason for Madhouse's push into both critical and popular success for the 80s to the mid-2000s.
It’s just capitalism. The guy who made MAPPA from what I’ve heard had escaped from an older studio that wasn’t allowing him to make “shows for the arts”. That kind of content brings an audience, which brings more money grubbers who tear down what made the new studio successful. They don’t know or care how or why the big bucks came in to begin with. They strangle and discards the ppl who make what ppl like. Then the executives escape with hefty paychecks they made from exploiting ppl, leaving a smoking crater behind. From the remnants, ppl strive to create new content elsewhere. And the cycle begins anew.
This is basically every company.
@@znotetakureviews9138I totally agree that this is where things went wrong. Coming from Madhouse he had all of the right connections, and he seemed to have a mindset where he placed considerable trust and respect in the creatives behind the shows. It's sad to have watched Mappa go down this path, especially when I look at Trigger who seems to have managed to stick to their guns creatively over the years 😢
They only stand popular manga now
The fact that they didn't announce this sooner just to keep fans rooting for them so they can get bigger and bigger and get big IPs is just disgusting and sickening.
I remember when Yuri on Ice first aired and Japan wouldn't let international fans buy merch and all the ways people tried to get around that. The amount of money people spent to get merch, idk how it didn't make money for Mappa.
They've been gunning for sole owning their big names; it might be that the split between companies on the production committee made it more marginal. Really blows that a big bunt of money that got them those rights came from us YOI suckers though.
Mappa is eating themselves alive. I have no idea what other outcome they expected when they started collecting IPs like Infinity stones, and treating their employees like dirt, even higher-up ones like directors. Creating art, especially hand-drawn animation, isn't a process you can treat like it's a factory were the workers are interchangeable, without repercussions.
No kidding. MAPPA has over the past two years very quickly ascended my list of most-reprehensible anime studios, and now everything from them moving forward is going to be tough to watch without seriously wondering what is going on behind the scenes.
I remember back in December 2022, a Tweet came to light that MAPPA needed to hire some outsourced help to finish the in-betweens for "Chainsaw Man." Between that and the grumblings about "Attack on Titan's" final season as reported by Anime News Network, MAPPA has been putting a giant target on its back.
@@znotetakureviews9138 is there any chance you (or anyone else) would have good recs for where to learn more about what's going on with MAPPA? I don't keep up with news about the studios themselves that much, but having been a fan of various works MAPPA has produced (just recently started getting into JJK too) + knowing how in-studio/production issues can cause major problems, I'm definitely curious about the situation now.
@@znotetakureviews9138All studios outsource though and it's completely normal. But yeah, Mappa is terrible
@@natalimoinaIn the case of "Chainsaw Man," the Tweet I spoke about came to light 5 days before the final episode was supposed to air with picture evidence to back up the claim, and apparently asked for 3000 frames of in-betweening / cleanup. If we assume about 23 minutes per average anime episode, that totals about ~29,000 frames per episode, which means that in the days leading up to the finale, nearly 10% of the episode wasn't done yet.
The problem is not outsourcing as a concept - the problem is that MAPPA is consistently putting everyone in-house through the grinder, and we can also therefore assume that the people MAPPA is outsourcing to are ALSO put into the grinder.
i'm not going to lie, i knew this movie was probably not going to happen after all these years, but man does it still hurt. yoi was in no way shape or form a perfect anime but it sure was fun and brought novelty to the anime scene. i do hope maybe some other studio could pick it up but i don't want to raise my hopes too much.
Yeah, sad as it is, the writing was on the wall for "Ice Adolescence," but it doesn't make it hurt any less depending on who you are. Even as someone who did not like the original series, I wanted to see this movie and see what it could narratively offer. A shame that it looks like that will never be.
A property changing studios is not unheard of ("Full Metal Panic!" went from Gonzo to Kyoto Animation, and then to Xebec, and "To Your Eternity" moved from Brain's Base to Drive between seasons 1 and 2), but it's generally true that properties tend to stay within the same studio. But here's an interesting wrench in the gear: no studio--to my knowledge, anyway--has been announced for the new season of "Dorohedoro," which was a MAPPA adaptation. Now, a movie production is different from a TV seasonal, but it is worth pointing out that MAPPA doesn't seem to be in control of the new season for that.
What does that mean for "Ice Adolescence?" Well, nothing really since that's an entirely different property. Still though, only time will tell if another studio decides to take it on.
Hearing about Yuri on Ice again reminds me of when I had friends and acquaintances in high school being super-fans of the show.....it just sucks imagining how it must feel to be them, being teased for this long then getting spit in the face by a company that mainly cares about their wallet.
It certainly seems that way. Of course, there's a lot of ambiguity at play here, but Ohtsuka's remarks certainly provide...a perspective, is what I'll say.
Same here.
Yuri on Ives blueray first week sales are still to this day the highest sales the company has ever made. Jjk and chainsaw man aren't even close in comparison despite being more recent series and supposedly having a bigger fanbase with wider appeal. If mappa was worried about money they wouldn't be canceling the YOI movie, they'd be milking the fans for every cent. I think the uproar over it's cancellation goes to show just how active and large the fanbase still is after seven odd years of NOTHING. Most studios would kill to have such a huge fanbase so heavily invested in an IP but Mappa has done literally nothing with YOI outside the anime and OVA. Money isn't the concern.
i think it was also in part because quite a lot of the international fans also imported the blu-rays and stuff.
Do you think it’s possible that another company can take over this series? 😢😢😢😢
as a huge Yuri on ICE!!! fan, i really do appreciate you taking the time to acknowledge the crew behind the series losing all of that work because of the cancellation and how MAPPA's practices are just horrible because i feel like those also need to be spoken about and not just the (justified) upset from fans
Thank you for your kind words.
The truth is, in part because of the anime industry being very much behind closed doors, any opportunity to help boost the general awareness or education of how this medium works as a business is worth doing. "Yuri!!! on ICE" has the benefit of a large devoted fanbase collectively mourning / reconciling, so it's being given more of a public face than it might have for some other, more unknown property.
When I talked about "The Age of Delays" in my video of the same title, I tried articulating how the modern anime producing climate is just not conducive to creating or promoting work because there are too many embedded issues that make a simple solution impossible. The sad reality is that, unless SOME kind of fix is found, then no property is safe, no matter how devoted the fanbase or dedicated the creative team :(
@@znotetakureviews9138 you're absolutely right! it's even an issue with animation in the states, which is especially seen in Spiderverse
i'm definitely checking out your Age of Delays video next - i think you really word your points incredibly well
MAPPA is looking more and more as a cashgrab company. They losing my respect year by year.
Disrespecting their employees and their fans step by step.
Indeed. Even if every studio is trying to make money (because they would close otherwise), MAPPA's recent decisions are just getting bombarded with criticism and workplace horrors coming to light. Even though MAPPA outcry has been starting ever since "Attack on Titan" staff started openly complaining, it's only gotten worse with time.
I've seen someone say that their friends made fun of them for crying and mourning the cancellation, even saying that they were happy it's canceled "bc it means jjk will come faster".
All I could feel reading that message was contempt and disgust for the poor staff and animators who suffer through the working conditions MAPPA puts them through for projects. Those comments are a spit in the face, as if they aren't working at break-neck pace already, with them apparently making a whole jjk movie in only 4 MONTHS. I am glad that I haven't bothered watching anime lately, bc MAPPA is not getting my support
For a studio like Mappa I don't really think they'd cut a movie like this because it wouldn't be profitable or being short handed on staff, but then again I also can't prove malice.
Mappa's art is like paintings made with blood, they can be pretty, but you need to accept the rather negative way there were created. I just wish we lived in a world where a cancellation like this wasn't the death nail for a series, rather allowing some other more intrested group to pick it up. Alas, copyright laws and such.
In the end I'm not super informed on the situation and I'm not very attached to the series as my only connection is that my Sister has watched it, but I see how others are sad, and I feel bad for them. Art getting cancelled like this sucks.
Indeed. It was honestly Ohtsuka's 2023 statement in KOMPASS about the original anime not making MAPPA much of a profit that kind of served as the missing piece, at least as I framed it here. Since it was from the president of the company, that does give it more credence of being "the truth" rather than some random Twitter account saying that "X made no money."
Given MAPPA's recent actions, it's becoming increasingly tougher to not view most things that the studio makes or does through a highly cynical lens. The "Jujutsu Kaisen" fiasco was, along with "Wonder Egg Priority," one of those metaphorical open-the-door moments that made people in the anime community who were not privy to these kinds of issues take note of them. As such, "Yuri!!! on ICE" getting iced reads as especially bad since the text of the show was about the liberation of self-expression through ice-skating and romance. There is, perhaps, a sad reading in that money-concerned MAPPA would crush such an emotional story for so many.
Technically all art is made with blood.
But there could be less blood involved if not for the studios that employ the artists
Mappa watching everyone scream at the end of ice adolescence: "wait people actially WANT to watch ice skaters do nothing but spin for an hour?!"
Yuri on ICE was what got me back into art. I was captivated by how they captured the beauty of movements and the richness of colours. I remember I took my sketchpad everywhere back then.
I'm sad to hear the film has been cancelled. I'm very sad to hear it's to do with financial return as well.
I haven't ever watched Yuri on Ice, but as a Madoka fan, I absolutely sympathise with how heartwrenching must've felt to hear these news for a YoI fan. I really hope that Madoka's movie sequel doesn't end up meeting the same fate.
Without saying anything for sure, I think that "PMMM" is safe. The series's original chief director is serving as the movie's director, and Shinbou is slated to be chief director for the new movie. Especially since "PMMM" is arguably even more high-profile than "Yuri!!! on ICE" comparatively, the announcement of a new movie so long after "Rebellion" seems more secure on the surface.
However, Shaft is also not without its own recent problems with productions, as "RWBY: Ice Queendom" and "League of Nations Air Force Aviation Magic Band Luminous Witches" were both struck with serious hiccups in the pipeline. Here's hoping that it goes alright.
I am glad Yuri on Ice got cancelled. Don't you even dare to compare Madoka to that
@@himalayansalt32 and you’re glad it got cancelled for what?
@@Babeee33He hates heterosexual women from his other comment.
the new Madoka Magica movie has a trailer and release time for later this year, so truly its the good ending for this type of waiting...at least I hope!!! (saying this as a fan of both YoI and PMMM)
First it was Ten Count anime getting cancelled, and now it's the YoI movie... MLM animes just keep getting the short end of the stick, huh. :')
naaah... I didn't know Ten Count was also cancelled... my day is ruined...
@@Au_Ra804I'm so sorry you had to find out this way 😭 I was also devastated when I heard the news...
@@vifurawa2715 Lol how long ago was this announced?
it also got cancelled?! What is it with this year?! 😣😫
@@deadmeme9158 I was confirmed on January 18th of this year by Anime News Network.
According to tweets from insiders the movie went through post production. But mappa wanted it censored and the creators didn't. So there were conflicts there. The money thing is bs. They could have released more merch for YoI and made money like that. The insiders also confirmed that ice adolescence would have been Victor's backstory and not a continuation of season 2. It sucks. If they don't want it then mappa should sell the license to a company that will give us fans the movie and/or a season 2
Agreed
Just my theory, but I think they were just scared to actually show Victor and Yuri being in a relationship. They're fine with hinting to it, but even the thought of showing a healthy queer relationship frightens them, I guess.
But the movie was a prequel? They could have just, not had yuri in it if that was the case
@@LynnHermione If I remember right from leaked information if the movie went well it was likely the creators could push for a sequel series, and they didn't want that because they were worried having an openly gay series would tank their sales in certain "key markets" internationally.
@@feistsorcerer2251I honestly still don’t understand that because Japan is known for having their “yaoi” section of entertainment. They made the guys kiss and propose in the show but wouldn’t let them have a full fledged relationship?? Some homophobic bullshit is going on here.
Sometimes taking care of existing fan base is more important then money. And sure maybe it will bring less money, but maintain existing customers is not less important to make and keep money going for the future of your business. Money is not everything that's what they need to learn.
You can see it very strong in restaurants that do everything to keep their regular customers happy then take more money.
I understand the feeling. The thing is, as far as MAPPA is concerned, "Jujutsu Kaisen," "Hell's Paradise," and "Chainsaw Man" and other such properties essentially IS taking care of their existing fanbase - so long as the quality continues to be good / good enough, they'll support the studio even in the midst of the horrid behind-the-scenes matters that have happened. At this rate, those viewers are not going to up-and-vanish - they're likely going to stick around.
I can only speculate, so please do not take this as "the truth," but as far as the executives are concerned, they've seen their moneymaking / customer satisfaction future, and it's in things like the aforementioned shows, not "Yuri!!! on ICE."
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@@znotetakureviews9138 well they will learn in the future that it's not the case. It's not that hard to understand once those "fans" will leave. And they will get a bad name for abandoning their fans.
There's a restaurant called Haidilao. They actively spend so much on quality to the point i walked out with toothbrushes, a new water flask, and while i was there got higher service then what i paid and that's why i'd go back over the other place with good food and higher prices and slightly less fine service.
Same for media. The people will come if they like you enough.
Honestly I think all the fans knew it probably wasn't going to come out at this point, it was just the lack of an official cancelation that was keeping us holding on to hope. Now that it's happened it's more of a bitter "why did you wait this long?" than anything else.
I’ve never even watched Yuri on ice, yet I feel so terribly bad for the fans… I can’t imagine having your fav anime getting canceled like that
Certainly. It hits differently compared to manga / LNs because with those, cancellations or quick wrap-ups due to waning interest are not unheard of. An anime getting cancelled hurts far more since there are decidedly fewer anime. For it to happen to an original like "Yuri!!! on ICE" feels extra insulting.
It is worth mentioning that Yamamoto Sayo, the main creator of Yuri on Ice, has disappeared after directing OVA SEX~prologue~ back in 2018, it is very likely that she is no longer working in MAPPA studio. It is also rumoured that Yamamoto was at odds with the production committee, affecting the production of Yuri's movie negatively.
For years they were just deceiving us that it would be released, after a while I thought its production had actually stopped and this morning I found out it was canceled I hate mappa.
As someone else who wrote in the comments, I got in YOI fandom around 2 months ago and let me say I got OBSESSED, even tho I barely watch anime actively. The anime gave me way more inspiration and enjoyment in my skating since I tend to be like Yuuri when a competition is near, it made me be least nervous before them and actually enjoy them. I started waiting for the movie with the little of hope the fandom still had, I got devastated when I heard the news. So I can only thank YOI for such enjoyment, and I don't think I'll leave the fandom any early. Mappa should really be thankful to yuri on ice.
What’s sad to is if moneys a concern I firmly believe the fan base is alive enough even after 7 years to have definitely turned a profit, all that waiting just for them to cancel 😞
As I was working on three different video scripts (one of which is, coincidentally, about a yuri manga), I got a DM from someone asking "Why is everyone getting so upset over this movie?"
I hope that this provides at least some kind of clarity.
There are other aspects I did not touch on (such as there being another example of a female director in anime not being able to get / realize work), but that's an entirely new kind of discussion that far exceeds "Yuri!!! on ICE." Therefore, I do not address it here. My apologies if that was something that you wanted perspective on.
This show has been whats kept me alive for the past year. Its weird but it reslly helped me when i was contemplating ending my own life, which sounds stupid because its "just" and ice skating anime. But it meant alot to me, and so did the movie. I mean a now huge animstion studio puttinf out an lgbtq anime? Thats a big thing to me, and they took that away. I dont know weather to be more mad or sad. Either way, ive still been crying.
I obviously cannot claim to offer insightful (or perhaps even meaningful) counsel, but as far as "whether to be more mad or sad," I'd say you can be both mad and sad in equal measure - they don't necessarily need to be measured "against one another" in quite that way.
Either way, it is a shame that perhaps the most-public LGBTQ+ anime of the past 10 years getting shafted is rather depressing, even from someone like me who is not a fan of the original anime.
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I just came across your comment and had to say something. What you said doesn't sound quote "stupid" at all. YoI has helped me through some of the darkest times in my life, similar to what you described. Just watching the love and friendship between Yuri and Victor always made me think that life can be beautiful. And that gave me so much hope in dark times. Even if it's just an anime, it is so important to me, so I 100% understand. Hope you're doing fine.🩵
Its crazy that Mappa decided to abandon the show that got them popular in the first place. They would be nothing without Yuri on Ice
I didn’t even know there was a planned sequel, and now I’m even more mad.
...well, I'm sorry that you had to hear about it in this manner :(
Same. I probably did hear about the sequel tho but forgot since it's been so long
As sad and frustrating this situation is, I can't say I didn't see it coming, after 4 years of waiting and barely getting amy news, it was pretty clear to me that the movie wasn't happening but they didn't want to make it official so they just left us there clinging to a molecule of hope.
I wish we could at leat get like a manga or something where the original story for the movie it's explored, but I doubt we could even get that.
Goodbye Yuri On Ice, you were amazing.
There is no way Yuri on Ice did not net Mappa enough revenue to produce Ice Ado, that is a bold faced lie they want to use to push criticism away from the company and onto the show itself and fans. And considering the shows that Mappa produced and snatched up after Yuri on Ice and the quality of said shows, I 100% believe they used the money from Yuri on Ice promotions, events and merch (because there was plenty) to fund these other series. It’s also way more believable that Directors were running into issues getting more lgbtq+ leaning aspects of Ice Ado approved and constantly having to rewrite the script and at some point they probably did run into money issues because they allocated it all on other projects.
This! They definitely took YoI money to make other stuff
I so hope eventually, if the creators don't give up, maybe, just maybe, this movie could end up being made by another company
At this point, Mappa is slowly turning into the Japan's Warner Brothers, throwing away anticipated projects for other stuff
I half-expect a "That's all, folks!" from them moving forward now lol
I wasn't particularly attached to Yuri on Ice, but I was looking forward to seeing Victor in the movie a lot. YoI being such a hit and the trailer looking so good, only to go to nothing, just..... seriously blows. What a fucking shame.
I feel sorry for those who recently fell in love with yuri. I watched it when it came out weekly years ago. And had years to come to terms that it won't comeback. Recent fans won't have that time cushion. I was hoping forvan Evangelion situation where there were years between installments but it isn't meant to be.
I've seen some fans have some faith (or maybe just trying to cope with it) that even with how long it's been, that we may still get a comeback in the future, even if not in a year or two. They've been using series that haven't had continuation until 13+ years later(this year or so) as a way to hold on to that hope, which could be a potential possibility, though maybe or maybe not with MAPPA...
I watched this without knowing it was a bl and still loved it like I was a bit confused with the romance but I still really enjoyed it 😭 i literally started tearing up once I heard this 😭😭😭😭😤😤😤😡😡😡
They could at least put out the script so the fans could read it you know?
Genuinely pissed, I've been waiting for years and now THIS 😭 GIVE ME MY MOVIE
Fr I didn't know they were even making the sequel but I want it now. What is up with some genuinely good and fun anime never getting a sequel they deserve man? First it was Nozaki kun and now this 🥲
There are a total of three fandom that I was ever seriously invested in.
I’m talking hours of my teenage/young adult life, 8year+ long friendships, first internet fights and first pay checks are all entangled with these fandoms and although I gave up hope 2 years ago
I can never forgive mappa for screwing around with everyone’s time and leading us on like this for years
Well fuck, Mappa is really shitty. I feel bad for the cast and crew of the movie. They've probably been planning that movie out for years and the moment they got the ok to make it they started work on it, only to find out a bit later that it was all a lie. That's like being offered a 6 part book deal only to learn that half way thru your first book, the deal fell thru so all you can put out is like what you wrote....
I don't see a lot of people talk about this, but what probably played a big role in getting the movie cancelled is that Russia is officially banned from the Olympics. Russian skaters have to perform under the neutral flag, and they can't use Russian anthem. Considering the Ice Adolescence was supposed to be about a Russian figure skater, this makes sense.
But still, it would have been a story from the past😢
While I understand the thought, I'm not sure if it quite applies to that much of an extent. Especially since it's supposed to be a story from the past (and anime has had stories taking place in the past with Soviet-era influences, like "Schwartzmarken" in East Germany during the Cold War or "Irina: The Vampire Cosmonaut" during the Space Race), I don't think "Ice Adolescence" would have transgressed anything on that front.
Doesn't matter because of what's happening now.
This doesn’t even make sense. Yuri on Ice is an anime from 2016, you probably aren’t part of the figure skating community but Russia already had their ban for the 2018 Olympics because of what happened in 2014 in Socchi. When the anime was released Russia already couldn’t compete with their flags, what happened is that with the war in 2022 they got banned at all from official competitions and can’t even compete under “”committe of athletes from Russia”” or something.
Please, don't write such nonsense. Japan wouldn't be caring about such stuff. That would be a lame reason.
It just sucks because people have been waiting for 7 years ive been waiting for about 3 years now aswell I think a lot of us saw it comming but it sucks cause they have been making us wait for this announcement for 7 years and leaving us with this bit of hope that maybe one day it wil come out
yoi got me into figure skating when it came out, a few weeks ago I started skating again after years and was so excited about the movie.
then BAAM, it gets cancelled the next week
Yuri on Ice was the very first anime I ever watched, so even though I’m not as big a fan any more, it will always hold a special place in my heart. Honestly, I had a feeling the movie was never actually gonna happen after being edged for 7 years, but it still hurts.
They could have just made Phichit doing a one man ice show or something if they were scared of actually confirming a relationship or because of the characters' nationalities. They could have mafe a spinoff on the triplets. I'd even sit and watch Minami or an hour of Makkachan dozing. The fact they just left the series there is not how you should be making anime history....
Having watched the show when it was first released and fangirling with my friends when we heard about the movie, just to have wasted 7 years waiting for it is downright cruel. The only other time I waited patiently for an anime and was worried about this being the outcome was for AOT, but at least they came back and finished the franchise/projects they promised fans.
Indeed. Regardless of how one feels about the finale, or "Attack on Titan" as a whole, the adaptation WAS finished.
i remember back in 8th grade when i watched the show for the first time. The opening, the premise, the mix of cultures, the queerness. i absolutely fell in love with Yuri On Ice. Nothing that comes out these recent years can compete with that for me. dont get it wrong, jujutsu kaisen or whatever is probably great but its so mainstream and i cant bring myself to watch it.
Theres something so human in Yuri On Ice. you can feel the creator is a person with their own interests and they want to share their passion with us. ultimately, it got me into bl (and gl) as a whole. theres something pure in romance bl (not the rapey weird ones) and it shows relationships in a state where both parties are completely equal, unlike straight romance. In this case. Yuri felt like he wasnt equal to viktor and he worked to catch up to him. I will never forget what this anime did for me and my life. O7
There is stuff like that(being equal)in normal straight romance too but ig jp are concerned for their lack of birthrates
@@sarov7658 i guess thats true, but if japan doesnt wanna release yoi just because of their birthrates then they should ban bl manga which is also extremely popular in japan these days
@@dextrosefather less visibility as popular as manga can be anime is a whole different giant and not just this I think they cancelled another one called ten count that's why I feel this way
@@sarov7658 yeah... we will just have to wait till they slowly ease this world into anime
Don't bother with jjk. As you said it's mainstream. And if some of the characters were not as popular (aka hot) I'm sure it would be less popular
We know that Mappa got a raw deal from their initial contract with the production committee for YOI. However, it was a learning experience for them, and it's a shame Mappa chose to give up on a proven moneymaker in favor of pursuing projects that don't cater to YOI's audience at all. At this point, they're a big enough studio that they should have the bargaining power to renegotiate a contract that nets them more profit. In the meantime, they've effectively abandoned the female audience they initially engaged with YOI. Mind you, Kids on the Slope is a josei adaptation, and they later went on to adapt Banana Fish before going full tilt into picking up popular shonen licenses. It feels like they used female anime fans to gain success and then abandoned them. Not to mention the female creators behind YOI whose work is surely trapped in a licensing agreement they can't get out of. It wouldn't be unprecedented to pursue a second season at a different studio, one that actually sees the potential YOI clearly has artistically AND financially. If Mappa feels scorned by the poor experience they had with YOI then why not let the license go? If they're not making money off it, why hold on to it? It's disrespectful to the creators and their vision, it's disrespectful to the fans, and it's disrespectful to the medium of anime. The profit potential of YOI is not in question, but somehow still, a series with a large female audience gets shafted for petty reasons that are antithetical to art making AND profit!
Yuri on ice was one of the first anime I ever watched in 2017 and I'm so upset we don't get the movie after such a long wait!!!! Hopefully Medalist will fill the void 😭
Yuri on ice was one of my first anime that i watched almost 4 years ago and hearing about that makes me more than sad, but idk how to describe it
Why?! I love Yuri on Ice! It was beautiful and very well written.
Thank you for talking abouy this
You're welcome!
It pisses me off so much because yoi had such a big fan base and something that we had been waiting for fvcking forever... I really hope that MAPPA changes their mind
I checked literally a week ago if there is any news about the release date and here we are... My hopes have been buried deep down in the ground.
Soo disappointed I waited years for season 2 for nothing 😭 I knew it was too good to be true when I heard Black Butler will have a canon and Yuri on Ice will release Ice Adolescence 😭😭 Yuri on Ice was what got me into Yaoi....It got my hopes up and it also dropped it...My heart....I waited 7 whole years for this,watched yuri on ice when I was back in Elementary and now im Graduating senior High,I rewatch this anime Once a year because of the nostalgia where my friends and I would fangirl over this anime 😭😭
I watched Yuri on Ice and loved it. Sports anime is a genre I like because I’m not very athletic, seeing characters learn, grow and succeed is great. This caught my eye because of Yuri’s growth. It was on my to watch list for years sad to see it cancelled.
i remember being 14 and watching the episodes of this anime when they were just premiering, of course they were in japanese but it was so exciting. when yura won i was screaming like crazy, nobody really expected it then, everyone thought the main character would win. those times were great. yeah this anime had some problems, everyone was making fun of animation (a recurring situation with mappa, just remember that one dororo episode 💀). i really loved this anime.
then 2022 happened (i live in ukraine) so i was left conflicted because i still love yoi but it's about russians. i'm not sure i would have watched the movie if it came out so it didn't particularly disappoint me that the movie was cancelled. but yeah the way mappa handled the situation is weird. this is the anime that made you famous and that's the way you treat its fans. not cool. they should have announced their decision a long time ago.
Just learning this!! I loved YOI so much, damn what a bummer. Great video thank you.
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I can imagine that this would have been an expensive project for them, considering that it would be difficult to use any 'stock footage', I don't remember the original show having many stock scenes at all which would mean they couldn't cut as many corners as some animations do. Plus if it's going to have the quality of the original animation and a similarly amazing sound track, the artists and sound technicians would have to be some of the more experienced ones. Add in paying for the motion cap for the skating plus professional skaters and choreographers... well, they'd have to either hire those or buy rights to use existing performances and neither would be cheap considering YOI's success, everyone would want a piece of the pie. I really wanted this to be made but I do see how it would be very expensive to make.
I honestly thought the reason for the delay was due to the fact that this would’ve been heavily focused on victor’s early years and therefore be located in Russia, which may have been paused in due the current political climate
I saw this coming and yet am still so disappointed
I love Yoi so having it officially cancelled makes me so sad and disappointed. However not surprised considering how long we fans have been kept in limbo.
I just recently got into Yuri on ice and even tho I heard abt the movie getting canceled I didn’t pay attention to it until I finished YOI and realized I loved it which made me remember the cancellation of the movie. I’m still so sad😭😭🤞
It's certainly a sad development, no doubt. All that effort that was already put into the movie, and we'll likely never see it.
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I’ve never watched the show, nor am I a huge anime fan, but hearing about this genuinely pisses me off. I’ve had to see many of my favorite cartoons or tv shows be cancelled because it simply didn’t make enough money for the company. It aggravates me how the entertainment industry as a whole just seems like it’s only here to make money nowadays. I hope for all the YoI fans that something good will happen for the series.
#YURIONICEFOREVER #BringBackYoi It was a dream for meany. And one big mistake for Mappa.
What breaks my heart here is that promo we saw of victor, alone….. walking in snow to the frozen ocean shore with super sad music playing…… leaving with that hurts, he seemed so lonely, so sad. I wanted to see the story of Ice Adolescence, I wanted to see the ending, where victor is smiling in Yuri’s close loving company, the sun is shining and it’s warmer, the ice melted away, and victor is happy.
*So even when an anime is really successful, it still won't make a profit? Nope, I don't buy it. It makes no sense whatsoever.*
Yuri on Ice was not perfect at all. You could see in the episodes the animation and writing flaws. But it was the fact that you could tell how special it was. I didn't watch it as it aired, I did in 2021 and although it wasn't my first anime, it was the one that captivated me the most. The songs, the characters and the charm it had is something I wish to never forget. I mean.. Shit!!! Even sukuna was disappointed with the situation.
haha what a joke - YOI doesn't bring profit but somehow it was good enough to finance the bringing in the projects that they're focusing on now
let's not even talk about all the hurdles put in front of YOI bc of its lgbt+ themes compared to other franchises and which it still surpassed regardless, but sure, it doesn't have enough of a public and doesn't bring money.
Dang I wish we could start a petition to bring it back :|
Biting the hand that feeds, really.
Must have been one tasty hand, then.
So we just got another NANA, great anime that probably never got finished. But this time autor need to suffer to see thier story be left behind forever..
They literally cancelled the anime that MADE them it was yuri on ice that brought them out of downfall
So disappointed, Mappa just sell it to another studio
Yuri on Ice is what got MAPPA international recognition. Their fans have been supporting them for YEARS too, just wanting more content... And this is what they do. Abandon the property that made them famous in the first place, abandoning their fans, and taking on too many projects than they can handle while abusing their staff... Man.
Cancelling the one anime that put you on the map. I'm sorry but there is no way this isn't related to how the main characters are gay.
It's either censorship or ignorance, and I'm tired of it. Companies just really hate content that features same gender relationships unless they make a massive profit for them -- which they won't, because unfortunately its more of an Indie thing.
My disappointment is immeasurable and my day us ruined.
Can someone buy the copyright or the franchise? If so can they please take over it?😢
I pray that it is simply shelved and archived out of the public eye, ranter than be Coyote vs. Acme'ed.
Yuri on Ice was the first anime that I watched all the way through. I loved the story, the relationship dynamics, and the artistry. It is a love story that treats two males that love each other with respect showing it as something that is good. Neither one of them is abused, or in any way a victim. Both are adults. Their relationship is between them, and they don't just go out and tell everyone, but they also don't try to hide it either. They wear their matching rings when with other people. Neither is ashamed of being who they are. This is rare, especially in an animation.
This is a very level-headed take that considers both sides of the argument. Nice video!
I’m not even into this genre, like absolutely not (not into romance in general). This was the only anime I watched from it because my friends kept going on about it so I decided to watch it too and I really enjoyed. Really sad to see it like this.
It was coming, any fan with a bit with common sense could see it. I remember how they dropped the second trailer in the week of November 5th 2020...and raised 1M views in a couple of days. "YoI Ado trailer might be killing Putin" was everywhere.
I heard that yoi movie was cancelled and really don’t care bc I haven’t watched the series till now. And now I wanna cry soooo bad , can’t understand why Mappa dropped this work of art. I’ve been thinking it’s because Russia or something , also read that the script is center en victor and not yuri, that’s not enough to cancel for me . Hope another studio could take the project
From what i heard the movie was supposed to be Victor's backstory, why he got into skating. Prequels dont do well in anime either and considering how overworked all the studios are since anime is growing worldwide, it's not surprising that Mappa would drop a movie so their people could work on the multitude of seasons they have on their schedule.
Yeah, given the poster and the title, that's a pretty fair assumption to make about what the plot would have entailed. Of course it may not take place within the "present-day" Yuri and Victor relationship, but the increased attention on Victor's past may have put certain aspects of their dynamic into newer focus. Even without being about "Yuri x Victor" specifically, the movie could still inform it, if that makes any sense.
Actually, prequel on Victor's past would have been a high selling project. Young Victor merchs were among the most highly sought out and scalped items
It hurts so much
Nah the company needs to be humbled. Yuri On Ice carried them
I’m heartbroken I feel so sad
we waited 7 years... FOR THIS
Noooo! Why are they doing this to us?
I had heard the news because of a meme post about how boy love fans got hit hard this April. I’m not in the other fanbase that was involved, but I did love Yuri on Ice. It’s just a pleasant show. Such a shame to be canceled just like that…
I love Yuri on Ice! It’s one of the anime’s that I rewatch sometimes. I’m disappointed in the decision to continue the story!
If scripts are ever released, Art community, time to do our thing.
Honestly I’m so sad about Ice Adolescence :(
well shit I had waited for the movie during most of my time in school that i remember
oh well, im honestly not too surprised with the stupid amount of work mappa keeps forcing on their animators
fix your broken industry before taking on so much work
We waited all these years for nothing????
The anime kept me company during a very dark time when it first came out, and I will forever treasure it.
It was the first time I saw a Russian not being a villain or a sexy spy/s€x worker. The impact it had on our Eastern Euro diaspora friend group was insane.
Was looking forward to the movie, and I'm really heartbroken it was canceled.
While I've been watching anime my whole life, Yuri on ice is the only anime my best friend has ever watched.
it really says something cause they have no interest in anime whatsoever, I wasn't even the one who recommended it!
this whole thing is just depressing
If they’re never going to finish then can they at least show fans what they HAD finished? Or give us the storyline or the script or SOMETHING 😢
I may be jaded, but I’m pretty convinced the queer element played a big part in the cancellation. The reason fans were as ravenous as they were isn’t coincidental, it’s because YoI came out of nowhere to give starved audiences a healthy, emotionally mature romantic mlm relationship just sitting there, out in the open. YoI made the queerbaiting question seem like just semantics because even if they didn’t explicitly show them kissing or say out loud that they were dating, it did literally everything else in its wheelhouse to make it as obvious as possible that they were in love. But it meant that the studio then had to put its money where its mouth is, cause to test the waters sure, it might make sense in japan’s political climate to be careful the first time around. But continuing the franchise meant having to genuinely engage with queerness as a topic, or risk angering the fanbase who would not likely tolerate veiled allusions for very long, if at all.
Fans were rabid for more, but they were rabid probably for all the wrong reasons (representation matters yall) and I could bet untold worldly possessions that that was at the heart of development hell: a fight over how explicit to make the show’s central queer themes.
So, can they shop the movie to other houses??
A property changing studios is not unheard of ("Full Metal Panic!" changed from Gonzo to Kyoto Animation to Xebec, just to use one example), but it does not happen terribly often. A part of that depends on the previously agreed-upon license for the original intellectual property, and whether it's even allowed for that to take place legally. Plus, with the franchise being what it is, a new license would likely come far more expensive to the studio that wants to make "Ice Adolescence," which means they have to measure whether it would be worth the cost of investment.
There's also the idea that, if "Yuri!!! on ICE" is allowed to continue on elsewhere, they may be able to make a story that ISN'T "Ice Adolescence" because, for all we know, that idea is the intellectual property of MAPPA. There are too many unknowns to draw any for-sure conclusions.
@@znotetakureviews9138 Well, perhaps we should start a petition to at least see. We've been waiting a long time. We deserve a more concrete reason to the end of YOI than whatever MAPPA decides to make up.
There are many schools of thought for why MAPPA won't pursue the Yuri On Ice movie. Personally, I believe it's a combination of the continuous conflict between Russia and Ukraine as well as plain old procrastination.
MAPPA clearly got distracted with other animes, forgot about Adolescence and by the time they thought to put it out the war started up. Added with their recently exposed bad treatment of animators MAPPA can't handle further scrutiny. Plus Jujutsu Kaisen is near the end of its manga so I'm sure they want animators focused on getting the anime caught up with it.
And I'm being real as I add in a fourth, elephant in the room reason. Shipping. Entertainment studios know about shippers, but don't really like to admit it. And as one myself, I've seen things get out of line and some people taking it way too personally. Like saying they'll come to someone's house in real life personally. People are quick to accuse others of being certain things for liking certain pairings. Even back then we saw it happen. I'm sure I don't need to remind History Makers who were around since Day 1 the venom and vitriol that was spewed by some people towards those who liked Otabek and Yurio together. To say nothing of the queer baiting issue that rears its ugly head now and then. MAPPA likely doesn't want to risk stepping on any toes.
Yes it sucks, and MAPPA should have announced this much earlier than to leave us hanging for years. But honestly? I think this is for the best. At least we still have the show itself and the memories.
as ukrainian, i can prove your point. i can't stand another tolerisation of russia. this anime glorifies russian culture, which was stolen from other nations. my culture was destroyed, poets and artists were shot on the spot to replace them with pushkin and dostoevsky! they even appropriated our cultural figures (Kazymyr Malevych with his famous black square, for example). how can people romanticise and popularise their "aesthetics" after that?
@@vulpsa I don't know if I would say Yuri On Ice glamorized Russia entirely, since skaters from other cultures are featured and we focus more on Japan for the first few episodes, but I can confirm that people let a lot of BS slide for aesthetics.