Apple 2023 review starts a BIG fight | Genius Bar Ep. 145
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- Опубліковано 5 сер 2024
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Jon Prosser and Sam Kohl return to the Genius Bar after taking their first week off, well, really ever (sorry lol happy holidays). In this episode, the duo trades blows on Apple's best, average and worst moves of 2023 on an emotional rollercoaster that you could only find at the Genius Bar. Okay, seriously though, we love y'all and have had so much fun doing this show thanks for supporting us!!! ❤️
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0:00 - What a year
2:00 - The Good
2:25 - Personal voice
7:08 - USB C
7:40 - SoS
8:55 - M3
10:25 - 15in MacBook Air
10:50 - Pro apps
11:25 - Vision Pro
12:50 - RCS
14:30 - CarPlay
15:35 - The Spicy
15:45 - IPad
22:33 - Sponsor - HelloFresh
25:08 - iPad continued
28:08 - Pro apps (ft. iPad)
36:20 - Lightning fragmentation
39:08 - Apple Watch
40:40 - M2 Macs
43:02 - FaceTime gesture
44:05 - HomePod
45:40 - Badness
45:50 - Mac Pro
48:18 - Apple Pencil (USB-C)
58:50 - Steve Jobs & iPad
1:07:20 - fixing iPad lineup
1:33:38 - Apple Card
1:34:35 - Mac Accessories
1:38:45 - Storage
1:40:50 - 1-10 rating
1:41:30 - Apple Watch ban
1:45:30 - Lonely life of Jon
1:47:40 - The Lost GeniusBar Holiday Episode
1:54:05 - Apple Watch Ban
2:05:35 - The Terrifying Tim Cook
2:10:48 - Apple Vision Pro
2:15:25 - Bloomberg
2:18:20 - Twitter/X
2:22:20 - Stolen Device Protection
2:26:30 - HomePod 3
2:28:30 - Sam’s Set
2:30:00 - IPod shuffle
2:33:05 - Sealed iPhone
2:43:40 - Planning the episode
2:45:18 - Outro - Наука та технологія
Bruh, this episode so long that it's basically the rest of 2023 for me.
Same
The final Genius Bar of 2023 😂
0:00 - What a year
2:00 - The Good
2:25 - Personal voice
7:08 - USB C
7:40 - SoS
8:55 - M3
10:25 - 15in MacBook Air
10:50 - Pro apps
11:25 - Vision Pro
12:50 - RCS
14:30 - CarPlay
15:35 - The Spicy
15:45 - IPad
22:33 - Sponsor - HelloFresh
25:08 - iPad continued
28:08 - Pro apps (ft. iPad)
36:20 - Lightning fragmentation
39:08 - Apple Watch
40:40 - M2 Macs
43:02 - FaceTime gesture
44:05 - HomePod
45:40 - Badness
45:50 - Mac Pro
48:18 - Apple Pencil (USB-C)
58:50 - Steve Jobs & iPad
1:07:20 - fixing iPad lineup
1:33:38 - Apple Card
1:34:35 - Mac Accessories
1:38:45 - Storage
1:40:50 - 1-10 rating
1:41:30 - Apple Watch ban
1:45:30 - Lonely life of Jon
1:47:40 - The Lost GeniusBar Holiday Episode
1:54:05 - Apple Watch Ban
2:05:35 - The Terrifying Tim Cook
2:10:48 - Apple Vision Pro
2:15:25 - Bloomberg
2:18:20 - Twitter/X
2:22:20 - Stolen Device Protection
2:26:30 - HomePod 3
2:28:30 - Sam’s Set
2:30:00 - IPod shuffle
2:33:05 - Sealed iPhone
2:43:40 - Planning the episode
2:45:18 - Outro
Was I getting weird stares doing this in the corner at a New Year’s Eve party? Yes yes I was 🤣🤣 Happy New Years GeniusBar 💛💙😂😂
Legends Never Change even when the year does 😂. Happy new year 🎉
WE LOVE YOU SHAMIR
@@AppleTrack 😂💙💙
Dont forget Sam screaming 1:32:17.
We should make a meme out of this lmao.
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My
One big selling point for iPad Mini for normal consumers I feel is that it is book-sized, its a small pocketable device like the kindle
I always thought Jon was the villain of this show but I think Sam is actually the villain.
Sam was always the villain. Lol
Sam has got some anger management issues... Jon is def the better of the two.
Jon has always spoken to the common man. He knows that he's not the everyday man and recognises the greater ground truths. Sam doesn't. He thinks that he's the common man 😂
Why does anyone have to be the villain? In my experiences humans are complicated and their relationships even more so. Why make one good or bad?
@@RewardThe it’s a show and they’re playing characters for our entertainment. at least, that’s how I think about it. Villains are important from a comedy perspective
An almost 3 hour Genius Bar episode?! I guess I’m watching the countdown with Sam and Jon ❤
Happy new years boys.
The beginning of the video,
Sam: *calls personal voice mid because “how often do you use that?”*
Also Sam: *hypes up the satellite SOS feature even tho you will almost never use it*
Lmao all love guys
I agree with Jon about the iPad line up. Mini, regular, and pro. Just make the regular iPad what the air was and possibly offer it in 2 sizes. Then keep the previous Gen iPad regular around to sell at 329 starting price.
Sam just finding out his voice sounds like that is the funniest part so far 😭 just a little robotic but that’s how he sounds 😭😭😭
Jon messing with Sam when he’s trying to make a TikTok clip is gold.
Who else LOVES their iPad ? 😍😍😍
Also Apple I'm sorry you aren't morons I love y'all I just got worked up you guys are cool
happy new year dad
I like the idea of a tablet then actually using or caring one
iPad Pro 12.9” with M2 ❤
The length of this episode is well worth the missed week! Hope all of the Geniuses had a good holiday season and here’s to a VR episode in 2024🎉
Happy New Year!
I use my iPad Pro as my computer instead of a Mac and I find much more value in it. Benefits over Mac are FaceID, super thin, touch display, App Store apps, dual rear cameras, cellular. I will admit I wish the battery life was better- however it’s not something that makes me want to stop using it. We DO exist and I’m grateful to apple for making changes like stage manager, the files app, usb transfer, you don’t have to use them but saying they shouldn’t be there is kinda dumb.
If there were no artifacts, that’s when things get real scary.
It’s been a wonderful time watching you guys this year! This is going to be a wild episode to watch! Happy New Year to both of you! 🎉😊
If you start this episode 40 seconds into 10:27pm on December 31st, the first thing you will hear in the new year is Sam screaming
Sam going all googley eyed has absolutely killed me 😂😂
The title of this pod should’ve been “We’re Fixing the iPad in 2024”
If Jon and Sam run Apple and every year they announce new models, I can only imagine all the yelling and arguing that happened.
Sam is kinda missing the point. Those commercials were aimed at Windows users to switch from their beige PC boxes to an iPad. They were NOT trying to get current MacBook users to switch to an iPad as an "upgrade". Always consider who the target is when you assess if an ad is successful or not. And it clearly was successful.
It should be illegal to go without a genius bar for an entire week. I love you guys but you need to communicate with us your community about what’s going on.
In no way im saying that you guys are obligated to make these podcasts because we don’t even pay you guys but I swear to Tim this pod is my weekly fix and when I don’t get the goods, the withdrawal’s hit like a truck.
Love you guys and happy new year from Barbados
@@GH0STST4RSCR34MCan you read or did you lose your eyes when you became a ghost and just scream on the internet to communicate?
Played on your name by the way.
@@GH0STST4RSCR34MNo im saying that they don’t have to make podcasts full stop. However they should at least do little posts to keep the community updated as to if they are late or something is going on.
The last time I think Sam moved and nothing was said, someone was sick and nothing was said.
Im not asking for details but something to know they are ok/alright. And lastly I’m a big fan of the podcast hands down one of my favorites so every week I’m looking for to see my guys and if I don’t im just hoping that nothing bad happened.
So just chill and leave that trash talk for 2023.
Happy new year 🎉
@@GH0STST4RSCR34MCan’t even chill out to say happy new years. 😂
Love you guys. Happy New Year and thank you for the long episode! :)
Sam: nobody getting paid to edit uses iPad.
Me: have you met Christopher Lawley?
Sam calling Jon daddy kills me every time 😅
Happy New Years Genius Bar been watching since the start lol I can’t to see what 2024 has in store.
My dual charger stopped working on a cruise and seeing that it’s lightening I had zero way to charge my iPhone 15PM and WATCH! Was a pain in the a$$ for sure! 😅
the fixing ipad lineup segment is the highlight
At 1:44:00 you both sound like a typical married couple. Congratulations…you’ve turned Genius Bar into a Health & Wellness podcast.
I use my iPad Pro a lot. For my studies, taking notes, watching movies and series, browsing the web, FaceTiming, UA-cam, writing songs and “gaming”.
Happy New Years guys! Thanks for another great episode
iPad Mini 8.3”
iPad Air 11
iPad Pro 13
This is all we need as an option. I would use all 3 specifically different. Put more power and focus on the Mini and the Pro. Winning.
Wait, this was supposed to be in VR. And weren't we promised a guest host...like 4 episodes ago?
Great episode. This felt like Genius Bar The Movie. Feature length film with bonus scenes.
Happy New Year guys! Here is to a great 2024!
It sounds like you Sam! Yes there is a little robotic sounds but it does sound like you. I don’t use it but for those that lose their voice due to some dementia it would be great!
By the time I finished this episode it will be 2024. Happy new years boys and congrats on your guys’ growth on all platforms
Happy New Year guys hope it’s great for y’all ❤😊
Can we have 2 hour episodes in 2024? Any links for co-host applications…? lol
I really love ❤️ you guys I love this long form deep dive into technology conversations and fights and love and hate and the whole thing. I get so much out of these conversations I can’t even tell you. Please keep this type of angle going it actually helps so many people because it is the human side of technology talk.
I agree with you guys on the Massimo comments. The Apple legal team blew it.
I totally agree with Jon that the 3 iPads and the mini starts at the lower end one
I just have to let you know... I watched the entire thing and loved it. lol. John your last upload on the Tim documentary was AMAZING and also I watch all of yalls videos on my tv outside not on a phone. Blessed New Years
Here is my perfect iPad lineup:
1. *iPad mini* - the perfect iPad for people who just want a tablet. It is also perfect as an entry-level iPad.
2. *iPad Air* - the perfect iPad for those people who use an iPad for school and other "almost Pro" stuff. (Just use a current A-series chip, like A17 Pro)
3. *iPad Pro (12.9")* - the perfect iPad for Pro/power users - who use an iPad for professional stuff. (M series chip)
I agree except I’d say the iPad mini (or iPad SE) should get the A17 Pro, and the iPad Air (or just iPad) should get the M2. The iPad Pro should get the M3 ofc!
Happy New Year gentlemen. 🎉
The only reason why Apple keeps iPad lineup congested and messy is because of money. They want that ladder that leads from lowest end iPad up to iPad Air or Pro. The larger gaps there are between the models, the easier it is for consumers to say they will not go up any more.
iPad has become the think differently computer for old people like your grandma and grandpa to get on Facebook and Snapchat 😅. I hear it so much from the older crowd asking me which iPad Pro to get because it’s so much better than a laptop and people dont need laptops lol
Sam, the iPad is a user experience that you just don’t understand, because of your user case. You aren’t the audience for the product. - I’ve had the M1 12.9” iPad Pro with Magic Keyboard and pencil as my sole personal computer for 3 years now. I love it. I’ve had MacBook Pros, I’ve had Window PC’s. I’ve owned an iMac and a MacPro Tower (the og cheese grater). For use as a simple personal computer, not a work computer, it’s been a really great experience. I love the apps on the App Store. I love my games. The Apple Pencil doubles as a joystick for some of my games. I love having my Apple Music in slide over while I’m playing a game, or browsing my tech sites. I pull up my UA-cam in pip mode and play a game with my video in the corner that I throw from one corner to the other whenever I want. - Look at it this way. People have been crying for innovation and fresh ideas on pc operating systems. To those people I say iPad OS is what you’ve been asking for. - It’s different. It doesn’t work like your computer. Its apps are different. Everything about it is different. And I love it for that.
If you look at the iPad Pro from the viewpoint of a work computer you will tear it apart. - If you approach it as diving into a new user interface and operating system, a rethinking of how we interact with an operating system. You’ll really enjoy it. - It’s not a traditional computer. It’s not going to be a work computer, But it’s a really fun experience.
Sam, Chill Bro, you didn't hurt my feelings. I was laughing along with you guys.
Happy new year! I’m sick af so I’m in bed, lucky me you guys posted rn
Hope you get better soon.
@@jessewest1333thank you so much! 😁
@@Landolakes99Your welcome.
Ngl, I like feisty Sam 😂
I myself am an avid ipad mini user as my digital journal, but I understand Sam’s points and I like how honest he is lol.
But i will say, the ipad mini is truly the best. The Ipad 10in needs to go away. Jon is right 😊
10.9" iPad with a laminated screen for $599, iPad mini with a better display for $449, iPad Pro 11/12.9" for $799 and $999. To me, that makes sense. Also, make one Apple Pencil for $99.
iPad lineup: iPad mini, iPad, iPad Pro 11”, and iPad Pro 12.9” nuff said
Yeah except I think “iPad” should die and “iPad Air” should just become “iPad” and drop all the Magic Keyboard and cases etc. So that’s just for the Pro and for some people will be an incentive to upgrade
Happy new year 🎊 🎉
I think iPad Pro 12.9 Magic Keyboard DOES MORE, than MacBook $1K.
It can DRAW (for $129+), that’s HUGE. It’s touch screen
2:34:56 didn't expect to hear that, but I also didn't expect my dad would die in December, and I didn't expect my mom to make a little shrine thing to my dad either.
I personally like the split screen, slide over and pip on the iPad. Since I have the Air 4, I have no experience of Stage manager, however it is great on my M1 Mac mini. I would say Siri is much worse than the iPad line. Back to back requests still have yet to work on my SE 2.
Can’t wait until new CarPlay comes to all vehicles!
I use iPad mini on the dash of my semi, solely for weather. Overlanders use the mini for off road mapping. It’s very useful
Sam is right and wrong about the iPad Pro. I use my 12.9” M1 iPad Pro with an Apple Pencil over my MacBook Pro all of the time for my casual computing. I have my iPad in an adjustable stand and that makes a world of difference. Yes, I use my 14” M1 Pro/Studio Display setup as my main computing setup, but the majority of my casual computing is on the iPad. Stage Manager has been nice, could still use a lot of work obviously. I always use the virtual keyboard or voice dictation, I never feel like I need to use a physical keyboard.
I did quite like the longer form episode! 🎉
John is so sweet and kind ❤️
Here’s the thing about iPad. To me it’s easier to buy.
My credit sucks because of stupid decisions I made a few years ago. And with the economy the way it is, I have blown through the little savings I had for emergency repairs on my car. I don’t qualify for any type of credit line with Apple or any big box type store. Not for the amount of a MacBook anyways.
I do however have good standing with my cellular provider. It’s a lot easier for me to make monthly payments to them. They only offer iPads though. So I got myself an iPad Pro 11 inch two years ago with the M1 chip. It does everything I need it to do. Got a nice keyboard case for it, and now it’s basically a mini-MacBook to me.
A lot of folks can’t afford to drop $1,000+ on a MacBook. Or they have similar credit issues like me. So it’s easier for them to get their hands on an iPad over a MacBook.
John’s breakdown of what the iPad lineup should be is absolutely correct! You have the mini the non-pros two sizes and the pros into sizes just like with the iPhone. The mini makes a lot of sense but it needs to be updated and improved on the regular iPads are fine and the pros are for people who want the very best there is. The iPad Air is confusing because it bleeds between regular iPad and pros. Get rid of it have the mini, 2 sizes of regular, and 2 sizes of pros. John is fully correct in this
Welcome to 2024 Jern and Lefty… Best of luck to you both. Let the hunger games commence…
Love both your shows. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!
#ToiletSquad 🎉
Sorry we just saw this now!!! Thank you SO much
john i love how passionate you ara about the ipad mini ! god damni dont love myself as much as you love the ipad mini ! lmao
I wanna know how Sam’s AI voice says, “quarter.” I wonder if it gets his accent right?
Solution for the iPad lineup:
Make them just like the iPhone lineup. Here me out:
iPad (11)
iPad Plus (12.9)
iPad Pro (11)
iPad Max (12.9)
Or iPad Pro Max
Or iPad Ultra…
@@Epicgamer_Mac yes, same thing
Getting real tired of Sam being an arts about the iPad. this is just my use case
1. I’m visually impaired so the iPad’s interface is friendlier to me than a MacBook including because i can remove the keyboard and bring the display closer to me.
2. I use my iPad for all of my media creation including photoshop grade photo editing
For me apple’s approach has just made the iPad better, and better.
Sam, please look up Christopher lawley
Honestly I think the biggest gripe for him is the pricing because if it was cheaper it wouldn’t be so hard to swallow if the prices aren’t so close to a “ traditional computer”.
Me personally I see the iPad as either an entry point into a computer like for kids up to like mid high school and then you transition into a MacBook this is like with the base/mid tier iPads with the folio or even the Magic Keyboard.
And then the other side where for certain workflows and needs it is your every day computer because there is a niche.
Here's my iPad lineup for 2024
iPad Pro
11 inch - starting 899
13 inch - starting 999
iPad
11 inches - starting 599
13 inches - starting 699
iPad Mini
8,5 inches - starting 399
I prefer my IPad Pro 12.9 inch because with the pencil I can pretty much do more than a laptop……I’d have to buy a separate setup to even draw and edit on the computer,So yes I prefer the Ipad and keyboard combo because I can do more than having just a laptop .
Apple carplay is kinda nice. I have a land rover and apple maps is in my guage cluster.
I work in the Visual Effects industry and know many people who use procreate professionally on the ipad pro, and I just started to use Nomad sculpt and looks like I will continue using it in actual paid projects… can’t do both of those things on a mac
dude just here to tell me about photoshop and blender lol… at least come at me with a real example like zbrush…
I meant you can’t use procreate and nomad on a mac. If you’ve followed the beginning they were saying that ipad doesn’t add anything to mac.
(Btw the industry wasn’t using mac until very recently, if you wanna talk details we can)
Is the 1/10 being a good thing a UA-cam thing or did the scale change? To my knowledge if someone goes to a restaurant and rates it a 1/10 it’s horrible. I’m confused lol
I have to agree about the current state of the iPad, my next tablet is going to be an Android eInk tablet since the only things I enjoy doing on it is reading and writing
I'm still running on my Mac Pro 2019. Still happy i bought it to be honest. Though it sucks that the PCI-E slots are only 3.0 while in the new one i believe they are 4.0. So the new Mac Pro 2023 might not be the best in terms of upgrading it in the future but it is very fast for sure! I guess the only good thing with that Mac Pro 2023 is for music producers who can have tons of audio cards in there (and fast storage.) On the video editing side, i'm not sure... But it's crazy that they don't have some kind of upgrade path. Even for people like me who have the 2019 version, the GPU upgrades are laughable!
Looking forward to Jan 3rd Jon!!!!!
Just loved Sam screaming like a little girl😂. Funniest moment by far😂😂 1:32:18
The iPad does not ship as a computer, you are right…. Who would buy an iMac Pro when the Studio is a better value. People buy what they want, especially if it’s discretionary spending.
The very end of the “tacked on” episode. Jon’s reaction. Long but enjoyable 1 1/2 episodes
I love my Apple Card. It’s great to have all of the reports and notifications across my devices!
If could save the voice of my dad that passed away on August 2022.
Dude, I have an old iPhone 4. It's used but still works. Jon needs a po box and I'd send it to him.
I hear what they are saying about the iPad, but for me its basically just become a dedicated device for drawing and think it’s amazing for it. I am kinda happy they have not come out with compelling in a couple years cause then there is no reason to spend money on a new one. Not a tech reviewer/news person though so I can see why they might have a different perspective.
Masimo pouching was from 2013. Apple hired some crazy tech guy that lasted 6 months and the Masimo tech guy left Apple to start his own watch company. When was the time line for tech for watch. Masimo made a watch to compete with Apple to start the legal process. What is real story?
I’m more on Jon’s side here with iPad. I personally think it should be just three iPads, three sizes total, smallest is mini, regular is iPad, and larger is pro. That’s it. Three iPads. Three sizes. Papa John’s
Here's a suggestion for the ipad lineup
Ipad smol = 8.3 inch and starts at 400$ (yes the mini becomes ipad regular)
ipad big = 10.9 inch and starts at 500$
Ipad pro smol = 11 inch and starts at 699$
ipad pro big = 12.9 inch and starts at 999$
+
Every 3 years
ipad SE = 10.2 inch and starts at 300$
The worst of this year was Apple is getting worse on pricing. Making it look like a value, but the upgrades necessary to use that full power are outrageous. So the value deal is actually a downgrade.
It's 100% sam khols voice 6:09
I think it's at least 75% like Sam for sure. Probably like 80%. If it didn't have artifacting and less robotic then I bet it would be like 90% Sam.
31:12 I had a feeling Chris Lawley wasn’t real! I knew it! /j
I love my iPad Air it’s like an iPad Pro without the four speakers and the 120 Hz display both of which I don’t need in an iPad. I think the lineup does need to be simplified and if the iPad 10 could adopt the m series chip and second GEN Apple Pencil then you can get rid of the iPad Air
I think Jon’s right, Tim Cook isn’t real. Tim Cook is Steve Jobs’ best technological masterpiece creation and ultimate legacy. We will one day know this when his battery needs to be replaced.
I still love my iPad Pro 11”. Don’t get rid of that.
Homepod needs to be marketed as a Dolby Atmos "soundbar" replacement. Two homepods as a sound bar are the best.
Apple Don't need a soudn bar two homepods kick a sound bars ass.
Yeah actually you’re right
Do you have the OG HomePods or the newer 2nd gen models? Curious as to how they sound different.
Yo, why was one of the mid roll ads for casetify?
I know why Sam is all mad! I know why! He now lives in Lefty-Bo-Befty California! That’s it John! I solved the puzzle. Ha ha.
You need to invite Christopher Lawley on your podcast ASAP.
Sam, your cost analysis on a computer is not the total cost of computing. That is why Apple Macs for years were $3-4,000 a computer per year cheaper to use than Windows computers. That cost differential to use Windows computers was reduced when Windows stole graphical interfaces from Apple, but even today training and technical IT support for any computer is still probably $4-5,000 per year. What is the support costs per year of iPads--even an iPad Pro? All those iPads whatever they cost are still less costly providing computing services than computers.
The voice sounds like Sam! Jon’s picks are “adulting” in action. Most people complaining about Apple using RCS, don’t even understand what RCS IS. Wow, I still can’t believe in 2024 Sam does not believe Illustrators, graphic designers and other artists are not “real” professionals. Final Cut Pro is NOT the only Pro app on the iPad.
Omg Sam are you okay
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