Texan Reacts to JAS 39 Gripen: The Best Fighter Jet You Never Heard Of
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Reaction to Military TV's video over the JAS 39 Gripen, the Swedish fighter jet that I've been interested in for awhile and thought I would throw in here since I'm going through the Swedish Air Force series right now.
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About 2 years ago Sweden had a joint training operation together with American forces. The American Air Force played the role as "enemy" and was trying to attack targets in Sweden. 15 JAS Gripen "killed" all 50 American airplanes with zero (!) swedish casualties and defended the Swedish airspace. The American Commander was on swedish news and he was very impressed of the Swedish Air force and our pilots. Felt good to know we have the ability to take on much "stronger" enemies in case we need to! :)
Well, Im not sure in close combat towards su or Rafale or f35 or japanese or china planes. But 39 has a great advantage in hightech /updating systems and is a good longrange fighting in every aspect. Close combat dogfighting is probably only if you only have the cannon left to bang with. Well and politics and journalistic is another thing thats not correlating to technical performance. BUT continuous improvement usually pays off.
@@BJ-lw3vz__Björn_sweden The F35 has longer turn rate and is not as good at low altitude. That is some of the problems those planes you mention have against this more agile fighter. Some, but not all. ;)
I would love to read about that, and it does not come up on a search...all that comes up is exercises where the USAF and Sweden are working together. Do you have the name of the exercise so I can get the details?
@@iKvetch558 I don't remember the exercise name just like that. But I will try to find it tomorrow. (Midnight here so I'm about to go to bed) :)
@FreeRangeHuman Yes, I think you're right. I couldn't find any article now, but I saw all about this on national news when it happened. Sadly those news are not on UA-cam or something like that.
I don't know how true this is but I heard it from my dad first I think, he was career military and served in the Swedish Military Intelligence before retiring.
The US Airforce where testing some newer stealth capabilities over the Northsea and out of nowhere their pilot reports that someone made radarlock on his plane, basically target lock, that shouldn't happen. He was running stealth!
Shortly after the Swedish Airforce made contact and confirmed that we had some JAS Gripen in the area performing standard drills. Because of the Gripens advanced targeting systems they had pinged a "target" running stealth.
This may be total BS but us Swedes have been up to similar feats before, performing very well in joint wargames operations with the US Navy and Airforce on several occasions.
Its true
And it is Gripen, not Grippen, Greepen or anything else.
You can pronounce it like Greepen in ehglish though.
We pronounce it "greepen"
And also, JAS stands for "Jakt, Attack, Span". Which more translates to Hunt, Attack, Scout.
va vem säger greepen? aldrig hört.
Bönder antar jag. Nästa stridsplan kommer att heta högaffeln.
@@92JomijO ahhahahah word!
I built cell-phone stations many moons ago. A couple of them were erected in Linköping where I had an excellent view of these beauties take off and land all day long. But GODDAMN how loud it was...
Fun fact. The plane that crashed at the beginning of the video was repaired and has flown a few hundred hours since then.
Greepen in swedish(means griffin) , grippen internationally. Viggen pronounces viggen not vigen as in this video, means Thunderbolt(and a bird). Draken means both dragon or kite depends on situation. I think Viggen was very powerful when it came. When they flew by low and fast the birds get quiet a minute before, one of my windows broke in the barn, the ground always shaked and it scared the heck out of the horses. They flew by almost everyday and you never get used to it.
Draken intercepted an SR-71 over Sweden in 1987...it was an amazing plane.
@@psycho_chicken_9589 That would be the JA37. Not the J35.
@@psycho_chicken_9589 ja 37 viggen
Yes I rember that too as a child. They flew so low the tree tops on the spruces went back a furth like they were in a storm. My dad and I used to count the time from when we saw the plan until we heard them (similar to lightning and thunder but ofc not wide difference) and I was facinated by that the sound came after the planes. It is not the same activity today by the airfirce (and certainly not in that area) at that low altitudes...
I might add that draken is not dray-ken in swedish... its draa-ken
This is an example of when a commentator should ask Swedes how to pronounce the names. As a Swede, I am laughing hysterically.
I think its a ai-voice?
Who don't remember one of the spectators going "javlar-javlar-javlar" (meaning "F- F- F-" words) during one of the JAS 39 Gripen's first test fly crashes. The second crash was right over Stockholm when pilot didn't trust the computer's compensation and tried to gain control manually but finally left the plane to crash where "luckily" there wasn't any people.
Fun fact: It was the same pilot, Lars Rådeström, on both occasions. =)
In the first crash, the rolling one, i think he broke his pinky or something like that. The second one unharmed.
Both crashes was before plane was released so still under development.
The number of crashes JAS39 has been involved with are really really few. Mostly pilot error. At least one bird. One where the pilot accidentally ejected himself :D (it was the G suit that when it blew up, it pulled the handle - they redesigned the handle after that - must have been a real surprise, for everyone).
The more funny one i think is the one where the pilot forgot to extend the landing gear and thus made a scratching belly landing. (everyone okay, except the plane that needed some paint job...).
One recently has not had it's investigation released yet since it was just like a month or so ago ended up in the net the air base have at the end of the runway. Pilot okay, plane i think was pretty okay but of course needs repair. And remember, the plane has been flying (not counting test phase, only since released) over 25 years now!
As a rule of thumb if there is only one consonant after the vowel the vowel is "long" sounding.
Two consonants or more makes it short sounding.
So it should be pronounced greapen/greepen.
The i in Viggen should be short like in wig or big.
Interesting! That will absolutely help me decipher vowel sounds.
@@rayceofhistory
Since no vowels in Swedish are pronounced the same as in English I'm not sure how much this will actually benefit you. =P
I suppose it will come down to your general linguistic Swedish knowledge. ;)
The letter "i" is for an example _never ever_ pronounced like "eye".
My last name is usually butchered by native English speakers.
They pronounce it like the Danish "Nielsen".
"Nilsson" == "Nils's son".
Here you can see/hear an exception of the "rule" with the consonants.
Nils has two consonants after the "i" so it's short. MILF... Nils (short "i"). ;)
The "on" part of "son" is however also short and pronounced like on (not off). Should be pronounced like "Nils-on".
This is the same for all "son" names in Swedish. Like for an example Tommy Johansson from Sabaton. ;)
@@Tim_Nilsson I’m hearing it quite a bit right now, and have been hearing it from other series, and read it at least a handful of times a day. So even though my understanding of it is still incredibly limited, picking up on specifically Swedish linguistic parts are what I’m trying to get down in the hopes that I can pronounce titles or words at some point without asking beforehand if I’m butchering how it is said.
The E (single-seat) and F (two-seat) versions were developed from 2014 between Sweden and Brazil.
In Brazil they will replace the old F-5E fighters (already modernized) and the A-1 AMX strike fighter (Aermacchi-Itália/Embraer -Brazil, 1986). In the FX/2 program, JAS 39 E/F sold the Dassalt Rafale F3 and the Boing F/A-18E/F.
Fun fact? The A-1 AMX is developed from SAAB 38 aka B3 LA. SAAB 38 was developed as a joint venture between SAAB and Aermacchi. I don’t know if Embraier was a partner then.
@@hemligx-sson8202 The Saab 38 was canceled early on and by all accounts, Aermacchi was designing the MB-340 around the same time. I didn't know that this Italian-Swedish project was a precursor to the AMX project, but the AMX International program was invited by the Italian companies (which joined for this continuity to the MB-340) to Embraer because a little earlier it had built under license 166 Aermacchi MB-326 in Brazil, therefore it had acquired manufacturing experience with this type of jet engine aircraft, since its previous experience was in aircraft with piston engines such as the Emb-110 Bandeirante. Aeritalia manufactured 46.5 percent of the components (central fuselage, stabilizers and rudders), Aermacchi produced 22.8 percent (front fuselage and tail cone) and Embraer performed 29.7 percent of the work (wing, intakes air tanks, pylons and drop tanks). Thanks for the info on the Saab 38, didn't know that.
Yeah Sweden, UK, Italy & Japan are gonna try to make a 6th gen fighter. It's called the tempest programme.
nope Sweden withdrew from the Tempest fighter jet program. and i think goes with its own program so we will see. well this comment is 1 year old so maybe sweden was still in the programme but not anymore
Gripen=Griffon, Viggen=Thunderbolt, Draken=Dragon
Yeah, all Swedish fighter jets are required to be able to be serviced by conscripts in 15 minutes.
Also, the dispersed operating capability mentioned in the video refers to that in the event of war, all fighter jets would be moved away from military air fields and dispersed at secret locations all over the country. Our fighter jets are able to take off and land at very short runways, so we've established a network of dispersion "bases" where certain stretches of roads can and will be used for take off and landing, with adjacent facilities being able to rearm, refuel and maintain the planes.
@Phillip Banes
Yeah, but I'm guessing you weren't a conscript with 3 months of basic training? ;-)
And either way, I was just stating facts, not trying to start a pissing contest.
@Phillip Banes
But I didn't claim that it was unique to Sweden.
I stated it as a matter of fact and also said that this was one of the requirements set by the Swedish Air Force when acquiring new fighter jets.
Well, that and being able to take off and land at very short runways, so as to be able to do so from public roads when dispersed.
@@phillipbanes5484 The same goes with the take off and landing on short runways, by the way. Most fighters can do that. dude thats a lie f 16 and most off your planes need like big nice clean runway. if im wrong then tell me but i think the f 16 needs longer and cleaner runway then gripen needs???
love the vids! to answer some questions 1. Yes draken was the fighter that the pilot student talked about. 2. Saab pitches its ideas to the defence ministry. and when in agreement they talk with the goverment and holds a vote, if it passes the goverment make a payment plan. sometimes the goverment will ask for something specific like the gripen E. (although from my understanding thats a rare accurence) correct me if i'm wrong 🤷♂
I'll go ahead and correct you on point #2. It's the armed forces that starts the process by doing by doing a threat and capability assessment. Basically making a list of things that might be needed in the future to combat any threat to national security. That then gets bounced to FMV (Försvarets materielverk) comparing that to what is currently available, domestic or otherwise. If a new capability is needed, they then come up with a rough cost estimate and pass that along to Fö (Ministry of Defence) that will argue for that money with the rest of the government. If Fö can convince everyone that this is something that's needed, funds are then released to FMV to find the best suited product for the best price. In the case of JAS it came down to not wanting to be seen as aligning with either of the two blocs ( NATO / USSR ) to maintain neutrality. Swedes always like to pride ourselves with having a great aeronautic industry producing the latest and the greatest, but in reality it's neither. It's as average as you can get for the cheapest price. Just as with most other armed forces.
We pronounce Gripen by saying the I like you would say the ea in reaper. and then just like the word pen added on, like used for writing
Oh seriously? That wasn’t the way I was expecting, that’s interesting.
When i was ~16 y'old, without any prior knowledge i managed (in a real training simulator) to start, fly, engage targets and land JAS 39 b with minimum instructions from a pilot. Yes, JAS is "easier" to fly. :)
In a literal translation of the meaning of each letter in JAS it’s Hunt Attack Reconnaissance or in Swedish Jakt Attack Spaning
Some more data:
500 meter landing distance.
400 meter starting distance.
So practically, it can land like anywhere...
Turnaround (refuel and rearm), done by conscripts, on a field/road base: 10 minutes(!)
Turnaround engine replacement(!), done by conscripts, on a field/road base: 60 minutes(!)
Front radar can be angled so you can look almost to the sides: 140 degree search volume within a 200 degree look-angle around the nose of the aircraft.
High tech computer that can be reprogrammed to fit like any mission type you want. You can actually land after your mission, data is analyzed and when you take off again next day the software is modified to fit your needs better.
They have started testing to 3D print spare parts and the goal is a spare part printing container to be able to print parts in field.
They have interlinked systems where planes and ground and surveillance planes talk to each other so one plane can do the scanning and tracking and another plane fire at the target with coordinates and data given by the first plane, thus you can be hit from a completely different angle than you thought.
And extremely agile and responsive.
And so on.
Here a video showing off the agility: ua-cam.com/video/eXaPfUs6sQw/v-deo.html
Here from an exercise in Finland where they land on a road in the middle of nowhere: ua-cam.com/video/5Y-nMTahziY/v-deo.html
An add on: It also have stealth capabilities. First, the radar signature is very small by design, and then using high tech computing and jamming features it can spoof signals and even make themselves really really difficult to find on radar.
1. Gripen has no stealth capabilities. Reduced RCS is not stealth. In fact, modern F-16s with HAVE GLASS have probably a LOWER RCS than JAS-39 does. None of them are stealth fighters however. I don't think you understand the orders of magnitude lower RCS and IR signature that true stealth fighters have.
2. Jamming is not stealth, it's electronic warfare. All modern fighters have it. JAS-39 is not even the best at it.
Sincerely, a Swede.
@@johanlassen6448 Stealth is Not to bee seen. And this is true for Gripen, and this has been shown on exercises.
And besides that, how should anyone detect Gripen without Gripen knowing it? Turn on the radar on F35 and they are shot down (and they do not even know from where).
@@Xanthopteryx No, that is being purposefully disingenuous.
Stealth is a technical term meaning that a plane is subjected to significant IR and RCS reduction measures.
Gripen has never been "shown not to be seen". If you refer to Red Flag, those were proven to be straight up fabrications. Certainly Gripen did not manage to stay hidden at Loyal Arrow 2009 where it lost to Polish F-16, in either of the Swiss evaluations where it was rated as the worst contender, at the Finnish evaluation where it was again rated as the worst contender and at Cold Response and Arctic Challenge where it again got its ass whopped by the Finns and Norwegians.
F-35 has a VLO radar. You can't detect it just because it is turned on. Quite on the contrary, it is actually Gripen that can be detected if it uses its EW suite through passive radar emissions.
Reality disagrees with you.
@@johanlassen6448 Stealth = moving undetected.
So Red Flag is fabricated if it is in favor of Gripen but not fabricated if it is in favor for a US airplane?
You do know that first of all - you can not compare by numbers only. And second of all, a lot of this shit is politics, sadly. And that makes for bad decisions.
You will see that the Finnish people will regret buying F35. As other countries also is beginning to do. Too expensive, too much ground time, needs too much infrastructure to work and so on.
Of course you can detect the radar if they turn it on. If they use radar, and certainly if they themselves can listen to the return (what is the purpose of the radar...) then you are detected. As soon as you transmit ANYTHING, you will be detected.
So radar is a must no no. Any transmitted communication is a no no. As soon as you transmit, you are done. Goes for everyone.
@@Xanthopteryx No, again that is not what stealth is in aviation terminology.
No, Red Flag is not fabricated. The story is, because it includes BS such as the JAS-39 taking on F-16 Block 52+s (not in US service at the time) and other similar nonsense.
Its not politics. That is just the battlecry of the sore loser. Serious countries with serious airforces have consistently come to the conclusion that the JAS-39 is dogshit. Ironically the ONLY countries to have bought it besides Sweden have been countries that are rife with corruption. If you want to play the game of poltics I suggest you first look at your own little toy plane.
No, they wont. Nor is anyone regretting it.
Both the Swiss and Finnish evaluations show that the F-35 costs the same as the JAS-39E. It also has higher readiness rates than JAS-39E. It uses the same infrastructure as JAS-39E.
No, you can't detect radar just because its on. As I said, its a VLO radar. Random scan pattern. AESA with thousands of frequency hops every second. Aint detecting that, which is why it has not happened.
You are just showing everyone here that you know absolutely nothing about how radar detection works.
This plane is truly remarkable
gripen stands for griffin, which is the English word. The Swedish Air Force has a penchant for naming its aircraft after birds or fables
There is one thing that I do remember specifically, from the second crash, though it is not from the actual crash, but from an TV interview of the leader of the responding fire fighters.
He was asked about casualties, and have in mind that there were an estimated half a million visitors to the Stockholm Water Festival, me included.
His answer, after a few seconds silence: "A tree".
This is not entirely true though, as there were people standing on a bridge next to the crash site, who got burns from the resulting fireball, one person got severe burns.
But stands out to me as an answer illuminating how much, much worse it could have been.
It could have happend 20 seconds earlier, when the plane was just above me, and many others of course.
That would have been terrible. That could have been something akin to like a national tragedy, just due to all of the circumstances.
Jas Gripe 39 E flew over my house today... the EBK was burning...and I Love it 🙂
I’m guessing it can get pretty loud around your house when they’re out flying?
In my hometown there is an airbase that houses the B-One bombers, and all I really remember about being out there is how cool they looked and how incredibly loud they were.
@@rayceofhistory How cool! Then you know that if they don't fly for a couple of days, you start to miss them. I also grew up next to an air base but with the J35 dragon during the cold war. Dad was an air force officer and I knew the base and found everywhere. The most fun I knew was playing and climbing in the plane wrecks at the aircraft scrapyard and I still have parts for the J35 dragon...
Gripen can also land and take off from road bases
@Phillip Banes lol no
@Phillip Banes Because not all fighter jets can do that.
@Phillip Banes i just gave you answer
@Phillip Banes Gripen are made to take off and on short runways like roads. F18s or Su57 cant do that
@Phillip Banes f16 3300ft to land when empty
Take off 2000ft empty and 4000ft armed.
Jas 1650ft to land.
And
1300ft to take off fully loaded in peace times, during war times those numbers dont apply...
A road designed to be a road airbase in Sweden is typicaly 4900ft or longer so multiple planes can land at same time. There is some thats as short as 2600ft...
So "500ft" diffrence makes a load of difference when we talk about Sweden's small country roads and not americas long straight roads😉
We have one around 1km from my house its a bit of a straight road with a dirt pad to the side of the road at the end were they would reload the plane and send it up again.
Typical swedish behavior, we dont have a big army or airforce or navy so everything is dug in or spread out and hidden in plain sight so its hard to destroy alot at same time..
SAAB and BAE are working on the Neutron heavy drone. But it has been a long time coming.
The way they said Linköping lol.
JAS 39 C/D and JAS 39 E/F are two different aircraft. Brazil can say that. There are a lot of our features there.
@3:12 Yes his granddad flow Draken which was translated to "Kite". In English, it would be The Dragon actually. Gripen is Griffin in English which I think it's easier for people to use then Gripen, The "i" in Gr"i"pen sounds close to the "e's" in Gr"ee"d. So Gree -pen
@4:59 User (Swedish air force) asks the government for a new fighter where they set up the requirements they ask for. The government sends that to FMV (The procurement agency) to specify the requirements, make them understandable for market as technical regulation/requirements. FMV will then look if something already on the market meets or is close to meeting the requirements. They then report to the government their findings. price for existing products but also a ballpark estimate of what a new development would cost. In this case, No fighters filled the requirements so new production. SAAB won to a set budget. After that the Air force, FMV, and SAAB worked together to fulfill the requirements set.
@7:58 yes there are more nations involved
Great video of this great aircraft.
Draken ([drɑːkɛn]) means "the dragon" (or "the kite")
Viggen ([vee:gɛn]) means "the thunderbolt" (or "the tufted duck")
Gripen ([gree:pɛn]) means "the griffin" (which can be seen in the SAAB logotype)
I did a university examine work (classified) on the previous fighter B3LA (project name). Gripen came out of that. However, the government wanted a cheaper and proposed you get this amount of money, not more. What can you do? They started and eventually they got more funds.
Regarding the name Gripen, it means the historically and ancient animal that has the body of a lion and the head from an eagle. It is pronounced Griipen in Swedish so you were almost right.
JAS is the first letters the Swedish words Jakt = Hunt, Attack = Attack and Spaning = Reconnaissance, becomes JAS.
I hope that helps, I’m Swedish so for me it’s clear.
Gripen is the Griffin or griffon in english
Gripen = Griffon. It's funny that you did not even think to just google it, especially given that the Griffon does not even have its origins in Swedish/Norse myth. Obviously there would be a name for it outside of Sweden.
They should send a squadron of Gripen to the war in Ukraine. They're designed and built to defend agaist Russia and Swedish Airforce has tactics developed from the coldwar about how to deal with Soviets in the air. Valuable assets....
5.50 it’s a tender asked by the government to fulfill the actual need and cost.
As Henning Gustafsson stated about ten days ago... A JAS fighter crashed at an air show over Stockholm back when. It came down on Långholmen, a small island in Stockholm. A friend of mine, an ex fighter pilot, knew the pilot who was flying that JAS. It was a very experienced pilot. But he made some mistakes. When the plane got unstable, he tried to right it because he was an "old school" pilot flying by the seat of his pants and that's what you would have done being in his place. But not in a fly-ny-wire an inherently unstable aircraft. He should have let the joystick/yoke go and let the plane handle itself. That didn't happen (as far as I know). the plane went down but the pilot ejected and lived.
#daicekube it was the same pilot that crashed the first Gripen!
It is called PIO, Pilot Induced Oscillation, and it happens not just with modern fly-by-wire fighters with relaxed stability.
You can even see it in footage from the 1910's. The control surfaces going up and down as the pilot over corrects.
Without having read the reports, I think it was determined to the main cause for both crashes.
It is rather amazing that the pilot left the spinncycle of the first crash with "just" a broken arm and bruises.
"The worlds most expensive soil cultivator", I remember reading in the news.
In the footage of the second crash, you can see the flight computers still giving correcting inputs to the control surfaces.
There is one thing that I do remember specifically, from the second crash, though it is not from the actual crash, but from an TV interview of the leader of the responding fire fighters.
He was asked about casualties, and have in mind that there were an estimated half a million visitors to the Stockholm Water Festival, me included.
His answer, after a few seconds silence: "A tree".
This is not entirely true though, as there were people standing on a bridge next to the crash site, who got burns from the resulting fireball, one person got severe burns.
But stands out to me as an answer illuminating how much, much worse it could have been.
It could have happend 20 seconds earlier, when the plane was just above me, and many others of course.
@@bodan1196 I do remember "the cultivator"! Another pilot who made it. Thanx for your input. Always interesting to have more data. Since then, though, the JAS has a good record. And such nostalgia - the Water Festival! Cheers!
The size is the the reason why swedish subs sunk US destoryers, US aircraft carriers, without detection, size isnt always good
The " 37 Viggen" was disign as a nuke carrier.
3:18 Yes it was Draken his dad flew
My Strength theory professor at uni did the scrutiny/audit of the structural calculations of the Gripen engineering team. He’s a pretty smart guy 😅
Draken = The Dragon Viggen = The Thunderstruck Gripen = The Griffin
@Mike Andersson Förr i tiden var jag en besserwisser. Nu vet jag bättre.
@Mike Andersson Och du vet att man stavar också också och inte oxå?
That's a hell of good question
About older planes, Draken was the Dragon, Viggen was Ligthning. Way back the slightly embarrassing ”tunnan”, ”the barrel”
F***, Viggen is named after a Bird; Aythya fuligula(The tufted duck or tufted pochard ), it is also a Thunderbolt.
Draken is Swedish for The Dragon
Gripen, a mythological crossing between Eagle and Lion (a Griffin), the word ending "-en" is "The" in Swedish.
So, The Griffin - Gripen
JAS is an acronym, J( Jakt, English uses the word "Fighter" for planes, JAkt litrerally means "hunt"
A is for Attack, whicha is the same in English
S is for Spaning, a translation is "Reconnaissance"
I have in person seen these planes land on a straight strip of road, closed off by military police, refueled, rearmed and probably a hamburger for the pilot as well.... then take off within minutes. The Smell of burned kerosene is wonderful.
Yes... but how on earth did Saab 29/J29 (Saab 29 Tunnan) end up getting the nickname "The flying barrel"?
Only a joke to trick others they'll check that fighter out too that was the predecessor to "Draken" (performance wise and time frame of us e q the North American F-86 Sabre.
@@drzoidnilsson73 If you look at it, it is basically just that, an empty barrel. You can almost look through the whole plane from the air intake in the front to the exhaust...
@@jeremiahnilsson7373 Yes. Basically. Not a beauty. But that is the one figther we really actually used for real combat missions abroad...
...and the one my father did his military service on as a mechanic...
She might look to be just an ugly barrel - but she was good and older Swedes (older than me) will get nostalgic it you mention it.
Just I do... ;-)
We have about 14 Grippens. Now F35 are considered. I Think F35 is super. But for country as small as Czech Gripen is better. Low cost etc
I would say if it was me making the decision, I would probably go that route too(with the Gripens). I’m not a massive fan of the F35, and maybe that changes with more flight time in hot spots, but right now I would lean that way.
@@rayceofhistory It seems F35 would be the choice. But for that small of country.. I would choose Gripens for next 20 years or so (they have advenced models - NG i Think). F35 je very nice etc, but I dont Think Czechs will provide any crucial help with our nano air force. So fast attack planes like Gripens would be better - for patroling and intercepting - others with F35 would provide info and targeting.
I am massive fan of F22 (:D), but not so much of F35 - i like it. But we are not USA. We dont have F15, F22, F35, F16 or F18. We will have just small fleet.. and F35? I idk man.
Im sure about 10 more years F35 will be more tuned etc. But still... Gripen is better for interception etc.
If any..I will be more for F15NG or smth like that.
@@AjdamusMagnus the US seemingly has a habit of cramming every new piece of tech they can into new weapons and platforms. Sometimes that turns out well, and you get something like the F-22, which was ahead of its time it still looks great today even with the new era that’s come in. But sometimes it makes the initial rollout extremely clunky and riddled with issues that have to be worked out as time goes on. I think the F-35 is much closer to the latter. It may be great as time goes, but from what I understand it needs some tweaks.
Another reason Sweden decided to develop the 39 was that like the US F-35 the Viggen's different roles was done by different aircraft, JA-37 was the fighter Viggen AJ-37 were the ground attack and so on which drove costs up but the Gripen is truly a multirole jet and only loadout change. JAS stand for Jakt (Fighter) Attack and Spaning (Recon). One of the features I think is really cool is that the designers of the avionics made the system more like an OS that can have apps installed for new hardware etc so not the whole system needs to be updated when a new feature is added, although it is updated every 2 years. And checkout the cockpit in Gripen E, beautiful...!
About the JAS crash, the TV-reporters live line is immortal. He said “Fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck!”
The Griffon. We certainly don’t pronounce “SAAB” Saab-ab-ab-ab-ab…
forgot to add this but regarding the next gen fighter, it doesnt have a offical name from my understanding but is called the 6th generation fighter. and will most likely be a uppgraded gripen. video here: ua-cam.com/video/g6VZUoLW4QE/v-deo.html
I will definitely watch the video. Thanks!
aah i see. thank you
Sweden likes god plattforms with great uppgrades. Like Gripen, Cv90. Carl gustav m4
Yeah, correct on that next gen fighter thing, Sweden, the Uk and a few more.
how could anyone who cares about military aviation not know about the gripen? I know about the grippen since two decades ago.
From the plan takes ground to its combat ready it takes 20 minits
very nice info.
Filipino's around the globe must realize that this small but smart & deadly 4++ gen fighter jet must not be under estimated .
JAS-39 "Greep-pen"
JA-37 "Vigg-en"
J-35 "Drawk-ken"
The i in Gripen is longer in Swedish but otherwise it is the same.
Correct Swedish pronunciation
DrAhhKen = Draken
Wig’N = Viggen
(double consonant make the I short)
Gripen = Greeepen (One consonant make the I long, I=e
That Vaigen plane seemed cool.
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2:17 g-kree - pen. It is hard to translate the diphthongs to an another language. Either way, it means griffin.
you sould react to (Boeing T-X - America's Newest Jet Flying (T-7 Red Hawk) its really good
Also partly SAAB developed if I'm not mistaken.
Viggen, with a "i" like in indiana. Linköping with a "ch" sound instead of a "k" sound
Yeah the Swedish vowels kill me. I always get backwards when they should be long and when they should be short.
2:35 It's pronounced like Green Pen... but in one word without the middle n... Greepen...
I get it a bit better in future videos when I reference it, but those Swedish vowels constantly trip me up.
JAS = Jakt Attack Spaning (Fighter Attack Recon).
JAS = Jakt, Attack, Spaning = "Hunt" (air to air), Attack (air to land), Reconnaissance.
The Grippen is the updated embodiment, of the failed F-20 Tigershark, which was inspired by John Boyd's Pentagon, Light Weight Fighter Mafia.
Gr - I [as in “Inn”] - Pen [as in a hold].
Gr-I-Pen
Interesting!
the jas gripen also have an easy upgradable software, much like android
Yes
The Gryphon is probalbly the cheapest and most interchangeable aircraft in the world, and it will out fight the F-35 at range
The Gripen versions are a lot different from each other. The latest versions a much more capable than the average Gripen produced. The advanced electronics, size and design makes it on pair with so called 5 gens even concerning stealth.
Draken = Dragon. Draaaaaken, "a" is long. A (in this case) is like "a" in the English "fast", not american "fast".
Viggen have 2 "g" so "i" is short, same "i" as the guy say his way of Gripen.
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++dOols++ Well Said!
Gripen is pronounced gree-pen. Great video thanks!
Gripen with a hard G, translation is Gryphon/Griffin etc mythical animal.
Is there a soft G in Swedish? If so, what sound does it make? Like a J?
@@rayceofhistory Göte (person living in Götaland) has a soft G, Grunden (Foundation) has a hard G.
Sorry, yes, a soft G is more like a J, my bad 😞
@@ispbrotherwolf you’re good, I’m trying to learn the sounds so that I can pronounce things correctly when I cover Swedish stuff.
@@rayceofhistory 🤣Don´t worry, even we Swedes have problems with our words. Remember, Sweden is OLD, Stockholm was founded 1252 and Sigtuna (oldest town in Sweden) was founded 980. USA is a young one 😁
Please look up some swedish language site to find out how to pronounce Viggen, Draken and Gripen (as well as Lansen and Tunnan). Draken can mean both Dragon and Kite!
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The I is much longer in Swedish. Viggen is actually pronounced more like you pronunce Grippen. 🙂
It's translates to griffin. Try to pronounce it more like 'gree-pen' as in green and pen. Also the r is more rolling.
Gripen (pronounced approx lika gree-pen) is Swedish for Griffin.
Gripen is pronounced with a long"i", compare with greedy.
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How to say "Draken" its like Kraken but with a D :)
Phonetically it is Greepen, not Grippen. The letter (i) in swedish sounds like the english (e).
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Gripen sounds like Griipen and with a more rolling r, but all this depends on dialect. Viggen is not pronounced Vigen with an english i-sound. It is more like Vegan but a more aggressive and shorter sound in the e. And the g is like hard g and not j.
Gripen A/B pioneered a highly unstable configuration before the nessesary technology to do it safe was ready. That's the main reason for the crashes.
Gripen NG or Gripen E is a next generation fighter, the only operational. There have never been a plan to develop a new Brittish/Swedish fighter, but the cooperations with Britain for developing both a Swedish and a british have been cancelled. Sweden is now developing its new fighter, planned to fly 2030, alone.
The picture talking about 4.5 is wrong. It show Gripen E, which is next generation. Earlier Gripens is 4.5.
Gripen E hane transport range 4000+km. Combat range high-low-high with 1 hour on station 1500km. Supercruise with 6 missiles and center tank is more than M1.2 a long distance. We can be sure that the exact numbers are substatial higher, because the only likely enemy is Russia.
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Gripen is pronounced Greepen in Sweden and Viggen is pronounced with short i. Draken was the first airplane that did the cobra maneuver, did M2+, had supercruise, STOL and tactical datalink 60 years ago. Viggen did M2, had STOL, glass cockpit, stealthy multifunktional data link, digital logistics and mission system 43 years ago.
First of all, its not a wonder veapon, its a pourpose bildt jet for swedish military doctrines.. a small country that supose to defend against a bigger country.. (read Russia)!
So everything is mostly about defens, low maintens and survivability.. let say its about shoot and scoot, high speed to the target and back to the base!
And the base supose to be any other strip of pawed road, and the jet need only 500 meter (1640 feet) to land and start!
The turn auround time is set to 15 minutes, by four conscripts and one officer!
Its this, nobody els make such a jet, so we need to build it our self!
The other, (its this) is that sweden have a small but very advanced defens industy, moste of them is either BAE ownd or SAAB ownd, today!
You probably dont know this but USA buy or licens build swedish military veapons.. and we buy or licens build US parts, like the GE engine in JAS 39 Gripen.
And then to procurement, its FMV (Försvarets MaterialVerk).. translated to, defens procurement agency.
In anyway, JAS39 gripen is used in NATO, by Hungary and Czhech republic, think it fits small countrys limited budget?
To that Thailand, South Afrika and Brasil use it, and Brasil as one of those that got more technology transfer, to boost there own airplane/defens industry!
And I have to brag a bit.. USA gonna get SAAB/Boeing T-7 Red Hawk trainer jets real soon, build by SAAB in USA based on development of JAS39 Gripen and Boeings subcontrators.. kind of.
We had many road runways.
its more like "Greepen" and the draken is pronounced like "Drawken" gripen is griffon in swedish and draken is dragon.
More tip about Swedish navy?
Do remember, Sweden have soon a newer version.......
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pronounce; "Griiipen" with long i, and "Viggen" with short i
Giffin, or gryphon, is just the english word for Gripen. It's pronounced Gri-Pen, Gri as in Grinch, and pen,
we say griipen not grippen its spelled gripen but im trying to make u c the difference
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Gripen is pronounced Greepen with a *long e sound* and not Grippen. Gripen means Griffin (also Griffon or Gryphon). One stressed and one unstressed syllable. Like this: TAM-tam. (There is also an unrelated verb with the same spelling but two unstressed syllables (see Draken below). In that case it means “apprehended”.)
Viggen (Thunderbolt, Lightning Strike) is pronounced Viggen with a short i like in pig or dig. The stress is TAM-tam.
Draken is Draaken (meaning Dragon or Kite) with a long a sound like in drama. Two *unstressed* syllables (this does not even exist in English!): tam-tam.
Tunnan (the Barrel) like in tunny (tam-tam). Pronunciation is usually, but not always, easy and consistent in Swedish. If a vowel is followed by double consonants = short vowel sound, single consonant = long sound.
Swedish is a very old language there are many exceptions, like in most other old languages, including English.
Lansen is such an exception. The name is pronounced Lannsenn, two short and *unstressed* vowels and tam-tam.
Now you know everything. :D
Tunnan (the Barrel) as in tunny (tam-tam). Pronunciation is usually, but not always, easy and consistent in Swedish. If a vowel is followed by double consonants = short vowel sound, single consonant = long sound.
Swedish is a very old language there are many exceptions, like in most other old languages, including English.
Lansen is such an exception. The name is pronounced Lannsenn, two short and *unstressed* vowels, and the stress is tam-tam.
Now you know everything. :D
I think the Saab JAS 39 Gripen E is a fantastic and super agile fighter aircraft. There may soon be a navalized, carrier based version. The project name is Gripen Maritime or Sea Gripen and it is under development.
The Gripen is not comparable to the Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II. It has a different purpose, a different job to do. However, I think that the Gripen and F-35 and the Eurofighter Typhoon are a perfect team, ideal partners. And there are of course more really interesting aircraft in development such as the BAE Systems Tempest. Thank you for an interesting channel.
It is perhaps unfortunate that the Japanese chose to develop their own air superiority stealth fighter, the Mitsubishi F-X. Sure, that is a cool project, but think of the enormous cost. What a gigantic waste of resources. Why not instead do it together with the Americans or Europeans and other nations such as South Korea, India, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Argentina and Brazil?
Of course, the Japanese self-defense forces have different needs and priorities than other countries. The aircraft has to be fully navalized and needs extreme range and also stealth. However, the Japanese have joined the BAE Systems Tempest project, the successor to the Eurofighter Typhoon, and the Tempest will be a killer.
International security cooperation and alliances are especially important now that we have all witnessed that the Russian Führer, Vladimir Putin, has no inhibitions and does not care about human lives, Ukrainian, Russian or otherwise.
Accoring to the very respected Swedish politician and diplomat Carl Bildt, who is very active internationally, always on the move and basically never at home, Putin will try to escalate this war (albeit with forces he no longer has a his disposal) make one more push, and if this fails he will be totally defeated and out of options.
We simply cannot let this agression go on any longer. The Russian threat must be put down and eliminated as soon as possible. We will of course stick together and defeat the Russian aggressors for sure. Russia will be down on its knees and forced to pay reparations to Ukraine for perhaps 35 years or more. The Russian state, and Putler and his billionaire yes men and old cronies personally, will certainly pay dearly for this barbaric war. Russia must be disarmed and made harmless, have all her military teeth pulled out, so to speak. Hopefully, in some distant future, Russia will develop into a normal country and drop its Napoleon “Little Man” complex.
In the 90th when I still was in 7th or 8th grade there was an air show over Stockholm I think with a JAS. It got problems and crashed. After that we joked about it by calling it JAK. Jakt, Attack, Krasch. Basically we called it Hunt, Attack, Crash.
It's Greepen and Viggen, not Vaigen. / Micke P
Gripen=Griphon
Best plane in the world
Gripen!!
The Gripen can go into stealth mode electronic so it is not visible on the radar. But it's classified information so I won't say more.
The pilot is more of a weapons operator and the aircraft more or less flies itself.
There is no such thing as "stealth mode electronic". You mean electronic warfare/electronic countermeasures. They don't make the plane invisible, they just spoof enemy radars (provided the radar frequency can be matched and that the radar is not powerful enough to burn through anyway).