What Happens if you Die to Lancer
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- Опубліковано 15 чер 2024
- What happens if you die to Lancer? Is there a freeze frame bonus for dying to Lancer? Is there a secret sprite for dying to Lancer? Is there any extra dialogue for dying to Lancer?
0:00 Intro
1:27 The Math of the First Attempt
2:47 A heavenly dog proves it's not impossible
3:15 Attempting to reverse engineer tendog's methods.
3:55 Time... to play Checkers!
4:54 But was it worth it?
5:22 Implications of this
5:54 A different sort of secret.
7:08 Credits
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(*fixes the timestamps for the chapter and then immediately falls back asleep*) Zzzz
Goodnight :)
NightGood bread
Let's see him wake up in 1 year and 8 months
good night Bread :]
(If you have already fallen asleep, good morning once you wake up)
What program do you use to edit Undertale and deltarune?
Something I noticed is that the game breaks more if Kris is at low HP from the first Lancer fight and then downed by the Training Dummy. Ralsei expects you to still be up and fighting, so it forces you to use Kris's menu even though they're down. If you try to attack, there's no bar to confirm it, and Ralsei just tells you to aim better while ignoring the nap Kris is taking. It's fun.
Okay but that sounds fricking hilarious I need to try this, I just imagine it going like
‘Okay Kris, let’s learn how to FIGHT! Although FIGHTing is unnecessary in this world, there’s no harm in a thorough lesson!’
‘Ralsei please im f***ing dying’
I actually did that like very easily on the switch, lol.
You can either take damage from Lancer's run attack, or from Lancer himself. Although it's pretty easy to just get the Lancer fight done with.
Thats another proof Ralsei knows about US the player controlling kris
@gamesboy123able No, that sounds like its just genuinely a game mistake rather than intentional, the game generally doesnt account for how much HP you have for dialogue or interactions afaik, so this is probably just silliness from an unexpected scenario Toby didn't anticipate for
@@MarcyTheKindaCoolWizard yeah, people forget toby is just a human like all of us, so he can make mistakes and forget about things (or not want to implement things that are unnecessary, not EVERYTHING has to be accounted for!!)
I think it's kinda hilarious that saving heals Susie no matter where she is.
She just suddenly feels a lot better out of nowhere and has absolutely no idea it's because Kris touched a save point.
AND also when Kris and Ralsein get smacked over the head with a toy hammer
Actually, even if susie and realise are in the party they still don’t know what’s making them feel better, at the beginning of chapter 1 it says “a light that only you can see” so susie and ralsie just see Kris reach out, touch nothing, and suddenly they feel better
reminds me of this one joke in a spongebob episode where spongebob calls gary a “lady” to encourage him to not be weak, and somehow several miles away, sandy suddenly feels the urge to kick his butt
@@Speak22wastakenI'm curious if even Kris knows what happened either then.
That narrator-type dialog usually refers to Kris in the third person, not as "you".
The only other use of "you" I remember off the top pf my head is during the snowgrave Spamton Neo fight. (Spoilers)
Kris calls out to Ralsei and Susie for help and neither come. But when "you" call out to Noelle for help, she comes.
@@Speak22wastakenRalsei could know, if you think his dialogue when you go back to castle town at the end of the chapter isn't just a 4th wall break.
5:39 the wingdings on the screen translate to
IT'S A SECRET
TO EVERYONE.
Thank you!
Zelda reference
bottom text
Sabadubadubada secret shalbudabduda
@@tedr651ocarina of time 🔥
that's the dialogue from the guard near the gate at hyrule castle for those that don't know, talk to him with a few rupees in hand (if I remember correctly) and he'll let you through the gate.
lol, it actually goes back all the way to the original game. Basically, there is a specific cave I think in that game’s death mountain, that can only be reached with an invisible staircase. There’s an enemy inside who gives you a ton of rupees with the dialogue “it’s a secret to everyone.”
Ah, yes. The art of finding ways to die where you're not supposed to.
You could even say they're dumb ways to die
@@mertensiam3384 So many dumb ways to die..
AKA being a toddler
How did you just describe my life in a single sentence?...
@@err0r522Dumb ways to di-i-ie
Of course the one who figured out how to beat the dog was another dog
And the one who noticed it is also a dog
Let the Dog cook
LANCER IS A DOG????
@@mertensiam3384
Everyone is a dog (all of Deltarune is in Toby's mind)
@@davisdf3064maybe its on the library’s pc because of the text of “the dog coding a game” in chapter 1 when you interact in the door that chapter’s 2 dark word is going to be
“The dog is playing maracas, this is going to take some time”
Honestly after seeing it the first time, players trying to kill Susie to save Lancer and then he says "nah" is sorta kinda funny.
The concept of full-party heals affecting Susie even if she’s not in the party is funny to me.
Just, Susie and lancer are somewhere else, doing whatever, Susie got hurt somehow, then she’s just suddenly healed.
Susie: *Gets hurt or something Damn it,
*Kris and Ralsei full party heal
Susie: What the f*ck
6:00 I didn't know this was a secret 😭 I spent like an hour on this fight on my first playthrough
Not an hour but is good knowing someone else struggled with this one, I didn't know what to do so I gave up and startef besting them up lmao
I feel ya :c
It's like we are getting called out.
Bro this was so easy I didn’t die ever until jevil
@@JEVIL755 Deltarune was my first bullet hell experience so yea... I played undertale afterwards
Skill issue, man...
You know, I once managed to drop Susie's HP to 6, but Lancer stopped attacking. (Writing this before watching the video)
Bread.
Bread.
@@getoofedonn9401Bread.
Bread.
Something's wrong here, I can feel it. (Still haven't watched the video, I'm aboutta do it now)
Oh, y'all didn't know about the special dialogue when you fail the fight against Susie and Lancer? I found that on my first run 😅 Being hopelessly bad at video games has its perks I guess
Haha, savme here!
Oh huh. I always assumed dying to Susie and Lancer, you just died like normal
Also Susie not wanting to let Ralsei be a bad guy unless he doesn’t want to was funny lol
The game is pretty good in the "Vs Susie" Lancer fight. Susie feeling betrayed and taking it out on her friend, the player not wanting this so they run into the bullets, Lancer giving up before the player gets a chance, then Susie eventually having a change of heart when she realizes she doesn't want to kill Lancer. Toriel was a nice easter egg you can get, but every aspect of the Susie/Lancer is deliberate and thought out, so much so that Toby didn't bother adding anything extra due to how much work you'd need to actually get Susie to low enough HP to die before the turn Lancer forfeits [and since it's so small of a detail, unsure if anything would bother to be added].
"Wanna see what happens to traitors?" *DIES*
'you can actually die on toriel! its tricky, but you can make it happen!!'
me who got stuck on toriel's fight when i played undertale for the first time:
(i'm pretty sure i took like, 7+ tries... i got better at the fights thankfully hahah)
Come to think of it, a very minor mod that adds a special game over screen, dialogue and Lancer sprite for when you go out of your way to lose this fight would be really neat
Kinda like the double battle mentioned in this video but way less lighthearted, for obvious reasons
I think it would really change how the story plays out if it was a thing the characters remembered
kris is human tho??????????? where are you getting this information from@R3TRlS
@R3TRlSYou mean like the soul, right ? Because there aren't any Deltarune characters (so far) that remember that we died. There aren't even any changes in response to our resets (outside of Kris's save file disappearing from all chapter replays after you save even once)
I also tried to get Susie knocked out on my first playthrough. My initial impression of Deltarune was... not discomfort, exactly, but it was giving me a weird vibe, starting just from the aborted character creation at the beginning. I took a break after meeting Seam, because something about his disfigured face disturbed me greatly. So by the time I got to the Susie v Lancer fight, I truly believed that Lancer would die if I didn't try to save him, because of how dark the game felt at this point. I loved Susie too, but I figured (hoped) that Lancer wouldn't actually kill her in turn, like she was about to do to him.
yeah yeah cool im just wondering how the fuck someone finds seam disturbing
@@Noobpopcan Well first of all, subjective is subjective, and as for me personally, Seam gave me mind of, like, an actual maimed cat, and it upset me. I do love the character, that was just my first impression.
Huh. I always found the game to be more of an upbeat thing. If you look over Kris's existence entirely anyways.
Did this once by accident when I was trying to have 3 different game saves on file, but didn't want to skip Chapter 1.
Didn't bother to save because I was already speed running it.
Noticed that Susie was at low hp and decided to kill her on purpose to see what would happen.
And to everyone's disappointment, it's just the normal game over screen.
I got a small theory that Ralsei will be an enemy in like a weird route. He has shown passive aggressiveness such as giving kris a trash can in their room when you throw away the manual twice. Telling kris that they can throw it away again if he makes another. As well as the kindness stat in chapter 1 for Ralsei is at 100 but turns into sweetness 97 in chapter 2. That’s all I know if I’m pretty sure there’s some more
I know what happens if you "Die" in the Tutorial Fight against the Ralsei's Dummy.
Kris HP drop to negativ HP but the attack continues. If you get Hit a second time Ralsei takes 1 HP damage and the attack stop. You still can do anything you want but sometimes in this Tutorial the game gets confused. It is very weird
6:03, Fun Fact: During my initial playthrough of the game, that was the ONLY time I died in chapter 1, so I actually thought there was no game over sequence when you died until I died again to the second Berdly fight in chapter 2.
I know it's necessary for the game to not kill Lancer or Susie for the current established plot, but man. Imagine if you were able to straightup kill Susie here by forcing her to take hits. That would just be so dark and alarming, but such a cool mechanic I wish it could have been a thing anyways. I guess that'd also go against the 'your choices don't matter' theme that the first chapter was establishing strongly for the second one to start breaking down, though.
Imagine how Lancer would react though. Maybe even more tragic would be the aftermath of this kid accidentally killing his friend
Oh yeah, that could have been a really interesting Chapter One Weird Route!
It’s a shame there’s nothing special if you do manage to die, but it’s still cool that the other fight has special dialogue!
I found you can reliably die to Toriel by just... not moving...
This happens very often in speedruns, I'm surprised it wasn't know for this long.
LMAO I died twice to Susie and cancer during a speedrun. I didn't see the dialogue cause I was trying to go fast.
@@arloklenczon6811 Susie and WHO
@@adamantii cancer.
SUSIE AND CANCER
SUSie and Cancer
6:45 Damn, even Ralsei wants Ralsei to be a villain.
other thing too is that is possible to defeat lancer in the "susie vs lancer" fight, just edit your file and increase susie attack. the game just will softlock kris, but its interesting that this scene acts like a fight and not just a cutscene (and is a fight, not a cutscene)
When I heard a human voice in the intro I was in genuine shock.
Looking at the title, I thought this was gonna be about the Lancer battle at the very start of chapter 1, and that honestly feels like it might be easier to test since you can just not save in front of Ralsei’s castle after getting hit by the Wobbly Things™, but then Ralsei himself might heal you like how Toriel does when you reach her house in Undertale so that you’ll have full hp for her boss battle even if you’re doing a saveless run (and don’t know you can heal at a savepoint without saving)
Everyone always said they were scared and tried to make Susie die in this fight.
Meanwhile I dodged the attacks because when I first saw this scene (I didn't get spoilers of it gladly) it was cool and i was hyped up, but I knew he wouldn't die for some reason. I just felt like it so I found it cool.
He finally ran out of things, Toby release the next chapter YOUR STARVING HIM YOU MONSTER.
Bread uses they/them, though I understand the mistake- the TTS voice is masculine
one interesting thing i discovered is at the end of chapter 2 when you "gather up everything in the room" you can actually take it home with you
when you try to go north of the library in Hometown susie will wall you and tell you to go visit the closet dark world, I dont know if you can get past her by repeating this action but i did this
1. Go into room in school with closet doors
2. DO NOT ENTER DARK WORLD
3. turn around and go back outside
4. susie will no longer wall you from going to the north side of town
5. go home and end the chapter
do you think this is a glitch or do you think this will have some concequences later?
Sounds like a glitch
Now speedrun it
You can actually just ignore her warning and keep walking if memory serves.
I have no idea what the repercussions are for this but the fact Toby points it out is intriguing.
@@HalfBreadChaos it was a very odd route but i was trying to see if i could maybe get some cool dialogue for chapter 3
i killed some enemies with noelle (a lot actually, it was a snowgrave until berdly where i then chose the "im protecting her from you!" choice)
im thinking the ones i recruited will either turn to stone because they dont fit the theme of the room or maybe they will change the theme of the whole house and fit because they were brought in here BEFORE the fountain was created?
maybe the dead ones will come back or something and i just got a bunch of free POWER for kris and noelle, who knows
I also took her thorn ring (and her watch lol), did the quest but not the fight for both secret bosses (jevils door is open and the loaded disk is in my inventory), said no to the egg, kept but did not use the undyne chocolates (im thinking they will either be poision or a full team heal, maybe you could even give them to like a boss or something idk), and some other stuff i cant really remember
im sure something cool will happen, im kinda just comitting larceny rn and seeing what happens
@@Kingman524 "im kinda just comitting larceny rn and seeing what happens" is a lifestyle I can respect
Ok hi so, I was playing through chapter 1 as you do and noticed something I've never seen anyone cover, after the susie vs lancer fight if you open the menu and go to the POWER tab and select Ralsei you can see that he has his Heal Prayer available, I was very confused by that since I had never seen it so I started testing and found a couple interesting things
It heals 100 Hp (despite in battle it never healing that much) wich is funny since in chapter 1 only susie goes over 100 Hp
it's the only usable spell you can use which kinda makes sense seing how Rude Buster, Pacify and Acting require a target that isn't a team member
after entering any fight it is no longer possible to use it (which I think is related to the next point)
the spell actually uses the Tp you get in the fight, so if you get between 32-64 Tp you can only use it once but 64-96 you can use it twice (this is one of the things I tested to make sure)
I'm pretty sure the reason you lose it after entering any other fight is because the Tp resets after entering a fight
I tried after Spamton and Giga queen since they're also fights that technically end abruptly like the lancer fight but in those I wasn't able to get the same result, in Giga queen it made sense to me since you can only interact with ralsei after going back into the closet because you're kicked out by susie, thought with spamton I couldn't think off any specific reason
I just find this whole thing interesting since I think it's possible we may get to use spells out of battle in other chapters (or most likely it's just a glitch/oversight) though I don't see how this could be a glitch since (even though I'm not a coder) it just feels like being able to use spells from the menu seems very deliberate
thank you for reading :D
This has nothing to do with the video, but in the case of an eventual theory on Seam, one detail that always stuck out to me is the fact that they tell you how their name is pronounced. Like in universe, they would be telling the fun gang their name so it wouldn't make sense for them to spell out the pronunciation, unless they know that their dialog would be in text format.
For reference, I'm talking about when you enter Seam's shop and talk to them. They'll say "The name's Seam. Pronounced "Shawm"."
Yeah, just like Rouxls says that his name . (Well, he tells not exactly about his name in that dialogue line, but whatev.)
I died to Susie and Lancer on purpose the last time I played, and was very surprised by what happened. Still haven't quite figured out the implications of it.
they don't want to kill you to death so they kill you half to death i guess
Idk if it's anything complicated, they just don't want to actually kill you, so they don't. They just knock you out instead.
inb4 Toby actually adds a single sprite to this fight specifically if you die to Lancer somehow
If you hack Susie stats in Vs Susie section of Chapter 1 then Kris will be stuck out of bounds forcing you to spin for eternity because he was placed out of bounds during the Prison section when Susie fights Lancer
For someone without a voice, you have more personality than most people on this platform. I really enjoy your videos :-)
people talking about toriel fight: it's really, really hard to pull off, but it's _actually possible_ to die to toriel!
me who died to toriel multiple times by accident while playing undertale for the first time:
I'm actually curious how that happens. You literally have to try running into the bullets because Toriel will immediately stop her attack if your HP goes to 1
@@gianni50725 bad at video games
I was jumpscared by the human at the start and then the pleasant tts rolled in and i was soothed
Love how you gave us extra fun, secret dialogue at the end even when all your persistence at the beginning didn't pay off!! I didn't know about dying to the dark fun gang!
The extra dialogue is hilarious I love it
Okay I’ve wanted to say this for a while,, but I watch a LOT of deltarune theories here on UA-cam (like, a LOT of them - tens of hours worth of them at this point) but I have to be completely honest. HalfBreadChaos’s videos are the ONLY deltarune theories that ALWAYS, without a doubt, teach me something new about the game. You are and always will be my favourite deltarune theorist on UA-cam!!!! Keep up the amazing work!!!!! ❤
hope youre doing good halfbreadchaos! miss u!
You burst into flames
halfbread why are you doing an impression of my dad right now
for a moment there at the start i thought that was your actual voice- i was stunned cause i never expected it but then i got dissapointed (not that its bad to use text to speech, i have no problem with it
I’m genuinely upset I couldn’t find this channel sooner.
also non tts jumpscare 2
Yo i just found this channel a bit ago, this is some really entertaining content dude i could watch these experiments for like an hour straight
Holy shit i was so scared at the start i though it was your voice.
My phone just fell in the toilet but halfbread here to save the day
Really humorous and well researched!
Your videos are too good, even after moving on from Undertale/Deltarune, this is still a masterpiece!
Love this community!
Embarrassingly, i have died in the susie and lancer fight, and thus seen the secret dialogue
Always glad to see another video from you!
I read the title wrong💀
did you read lancer as cancer?
*what happens if you die to cancer*
Hell im early! Love your content Bread!
I know this theory has little to know evidence but what it kris's " Heart shaped object" wasnt actually the soul
OHMYGOD FOR THE FIRST 5 SECONDS I WAS JUST LIKE "HALFBREAD IS USING VOICE NOW?? WHEN DID THIS HAPPEN??"
Hm, how very interesting, i wonder if there’s any other Secrets that has yet to be discovered?
Very fun analysis video! Thanks so much for uploading!
I wonder if anyone's streamed on UA-cam attempts to do this?
Great video! I didn't knew you could die in this fight!
Cool video! Thanks for making it!
Uhhhhh new newsletter came out yesterday, and we found a mystery within one of the valentine cards (not the {presumably} Gaster one, the other one that's written by an anonymous person)
if youre referring to the AMV one, its alphys. "youre the kind of person i wish i could be" kinda gives it away. (also file name lol)
HELP I ACTUALLY DIED TO SUSIE AND LANCER IN CHAPTER 1 PN MY FIRST PLAYTHROUGH TWICE AND I GOT THE DIALOGUE😭😭😭
I like how you mentioned Kris is offscreen. Now I can't not notice where the heart comes from
For a second there I thought the title was "What happens when you die to cancer"
I hope Toby sees this and adds an easter egg in the chapter 3 update.
oh my goddd HALFBREDCHAOS!!!?? YOU SCARED ME! I THOUGHT YOU VOICE REVEALEDD! NEVER SCARE ME LIKE THAT AGAIN!! your test to speach voice has a certain kinda charm to it i like it
Something funny i found if your hp is low and you let kris and ralsei go down in the k.round fight
In the Dilouge where ralsei tells susie to stop attacking k.round it still plays when ralsei is down
Kinda funny but Proving my theory that when ralsei goes down he doesnt just disapear he just hides
To heal
No way. HBC and Vivat Veritas uploading on the same day? This is a gift from the gods.
it satisfies my deltarune content starvation
Okay I have a suggestion because this is weird
So, during the second Undyne chase, I went all the way down to the bottom of the platform, and then I saw spears outside of the planks.
I can't really check for anything off-screen since im on the Switch and I have zero idea to datamine on the Switch.
Okay this is a question ive had for awhile. Why do our party members take damage from OUR soul, why can Susie use our soul in the lancer fight, why can they use TP we collect that just doesnt ma sense.
0:21 I Iove the idea of Kris drawing their sword and staring at a prison wall just 'cause Susie is in battle.
Oh man, I've been looking for this channel for so long. I could only find it by searching "Deltarun theory text to spech"
Then why’d you comment this on two separate videos
To be honest, now that you mention it. I have no idea either. Maybe I just forgot or something? I really don't know, like really, honestly, I have no idea.
@@zavitak I mean, they are both commented on virtually the same timeframe, it’s more believable if you just said you were disappointed in the first comment getting no attention, and decided to try againz
A little something id that the tp you get in the susie vs lancer fight is usable outside of battle, go to the characters menu and check ralseis heal prayer, it highlited and can be used, it heals 100 hp
I have just been replayingc hapter 1 and wondering about this exact thing and youtube recommended this vid. Wow a nice timing
I've been wondering this for a long time.
*yup I hate Susie*
my brain misinterpreted the title as "What Happens if you Lie to Dancer" for a moment...
anyway cool vid
2:01 always do ceiling function, not floor or nearest integer. You’ll be 1-less if it has a division remainder if you do floor or round to nearest integer.
toby thought of EVERYTHING
EVERY. THING.
jesus
I knew about those secret dialogues I am happy
Ive been trying to die to lancer in the susie fight for a while. Thanks for this :)
Where did they go? Are they doing ok?
Welp, this video has been a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG time coming.
Bread something a was thinking about the rooms that have a dark fountain have a "closet" in the top right of those rooms (excluding the closet from the school). You think that has some meaning in the game lore?
Dude you are amazing :D
I acually saw youtober in a playhtru die to Lancer and he said "This is a really hard fight" or something like that, I think it was JAckseptickeye
Its always a good day when halfbread posts
Have people never died to susie and lancer naturally?
Im just questioning how deltarune's soul logic applies to frisk and undertale
The non-TTS voice at the beginning scared the heck out of me-
Hey, I just rewatched your Snowdrake’s Mother video and, after a bit of Googling on the subject of obscure Undertale/deltᴀrune damage dialogue, did you know that Temmie has dialogue for dealing less than 5 hp to her?
After trying so hard to make it impossible, I think he should have added something just in case someone did it.
The computer in 5:40 says “It’s a secret to everyone.” in wingdings if you’re wondering
2:55 ohhhh, you’re going to say we can’t eat the moss are you?
Nice, someone finally acknowledges this weird "VS Susie&Lancer" fight stuff
man i just im watching this video 41 seconds after the release
I died to toriel on my first playthrough and i just thought it was normal lol
Small channel that's gonna blow up ? I sub right now !