@@SpazzyjonesGaming We got a lot of cool cooking things and its great and i see this exchange as absolute win. But also we need additional space made expecially for food or potions, even little sack with 3 slots would be enough
I do understand the nerf, when I first saw the new meads I instantly thought about the cape and the multiplying bonuses, as a dev behind the buttons I would have probably made the same call, it's standard procedure. Which does not mean I agree with it. If there are other stacking bonuses (boss powers/items + new potions), then those items/boss powers should also be addressed in the same manner. LE: what's the point in doing this now, with over 1 year development time left for Deep North/1.0? It's not like you're going to use that cape outside mistlands during progress (so excluding fun activities/fooling around eh)
The point of the weakness to fire was to make it less of an auto use and if they take the jumping benefits off it, should remove that weakness entirely then. It then goes from an auto use to a determination of utility. Do I want the benefits of the slow fall and no fall damage or do I want X.
i think it should work like the mountain biome with frost potions until you get a frost resist cape/armor. you use the jump height potions to traverse the Mistlands, until you get the cape and no longer need the potions.
The fact that we have the same storage space with all the extra items shows the devs aren't really considering much when makin changes. @@SpazzyjonesGaming
@@TheStraightestWhitest mods are cool and all, but vanilla inventory sucks so much it wont hurt to improve it, imagine having separated slots for armor and accessories? like any other RPG out there, maybe some bag increase, not like we want more weight, just more slots to carry all the extra junk theyre adding!
It was a nice QoL, it's not the best change, considering that people won't make a whole potion that is a consumable with duration time just to get that small QoL feature. Maybe if we had a pouch/backpack like item that you equip such as the wisp or the belt, which provides you with more space to store away unused items. For example, if you are about to go raid a fuling village or fight a boss you don't need your axe, pickaxe, hoe, hammer or stuff like that in your inventory so just put them in the pouch/backpack and replace with potions or such! Stuff in the pouch is inaccessible unless pouch is equipped so you can't actively use extra space and carry 450 weight at the same time, but still can carry more lightweight items.
yeah i wont use the potion and ive been using feather cape only and really abusing that jump bonus. ill have to totally change my playstyle but i wont be changing it to using 5min potions, thats not fun.
I’d prefer if the cape kept the jump bonus, just because I like more freedom of movement and modifier stacking (as long as it’s not outrageously OP), but this change really doesn’t affect me much. Valheim is just a good game and the devs keep improving it, I don’t care about minutiae like this.
@@TheStraightestWhitest My problem is I'm not in control of the modifiers on the server I play on. All my building is done with the resources I can gather. I've yet to start my own server to just build with unlimited resources while flying. So I'm kind of stuck with the bonuses the feather cape give me.
I can't say I'm a fan of nerfing a currently existing item just to give that quality to a new item. That being said, if the new potion were to stack with the old cape, it would've been kinda op. Honestly, they should just leave the cape as it is, make the buffs *not* stack, and gate the lightfoot mead behind defeating Yag. That way, you can have *some* of the cape's benefits when you begin exploring Mistlands, but will still have to put in the work to actually get the cape, and if the jump buff doesn't stack, no chance of it being op. Bang- everyone's happy.
Personally, I'm more mad that the devs are too focused on nerfing good items instead of buffing bad items. I really don't think a little extra jump height is something insane and game breaking and personally when I heard we were getting a jump boost potion I was excited to see how high I'd be able to go with the cape on. For a game that has very little PvP in it, I don't think it needs to nerf strong items as much as it should buff weaker items. The problem with the feather cape isn't that it's super overpowered, it's just really good and currently the only competition it has is the askavin cape. I do like that the devs are balancing things though because it gives me hope that soon some of the extremely underused items will be rebalanced in the future.
I enjoyed the jump bonus that was **added** to the cape, but I'm fine without it. I think it makes a lot of sense to move that kind of buff effect to a mead, honestly. That said, I WANT MORE INVENTORY SPACE. I already felt that the limited space was frustrating in the wake of Ashlands, and now with the Bog Witch adding even more potions to the pool, I anticipate managing inventory is going to be an even bigger issue. I already suggested this on their website, but I'll leave it here: Provide a separate panel for equipment slots (like many other games do). Head, chest, legs, weapon, and trinket slots. Provide at least one slot dedicated to ammunition. Provide at least one slot dedicated to potions. I'm a hobbyist developer, so I know these changes are way more difficult to make than it seems, but freeing up inventory slots would improve the experience of the game SO MUCH, in my opinion, and worth the effort.
@@SpazzyjonesGaming Honestly, a potion pouch etc. that you could craft and equip, maybe a button to quickly open the menu to use potions you carry. Or something along the lines
There are already backpack mods and equipment (paper doll) mods. I'm sure the devs can do it. Hell, they could even buy the mod/hire a modder to bring it in if they really didn't want to do it themselves.
They should keep the jump height bonus and the potion, but make the potion obtainable before the mistlands, say in the moutain biome. That way, you'd be able to get the potion in the mountain where it would be useful, use it again in the mistlands, then finally be able to stop using it when you get the cape. Basically the same as needing frost resistance potions up until you get the wolf cape.
The main problem is the consensus on the mistlands is pretty negativity overall, I'd wager it's considered the worst biome for the majority of the player base so you further nerfing items and things related to the mistlands is never a good idea lol
Not a fan of the change, but also not bothered by it... since I *only* play modded Valheim at this point, and there's always some modder who whips up a reversion as soon as these sort of changes go live.
So now we have more potions... BUT where is the space in the backpack to have them? In order to go to the mistlands we need... 1) Armor (4 slots) 2) Food (3 slots) 3) Weapons (3 to 4 slots) 4) Potions of health, stamina, fire res and now bonus jump (4 slots) 5) 10 wood (1 slot) 6) Portal (3 slots) 7) Wisp torchs (2 slots) 8) Wisp (1 slot) 22 F-ING SLOTS just to go to mistlands! And the worse? How much of weigth is in the backpack? Sorry, but 3 things need to happen: 1) They delete the potion and move the bonus to the cape 2) They change the potion to need hare trophy and move the bonus to the cape 3) They make more space in the inventory or make "backpacks" in order to increase our inventory capacity (slots, but not weight). or at least a belt of potions (2 slots).
The lightfoot mead wouldn't be an issue if the devs weren't so stubborn about the current inventory. They keep adding more stuff to the game for us to carry but they don't give us any room to carry it. The tiny stack sizes don't help either. At the bare minimum, we need the equipment and quick slots mod for vanilla. That alone frees up an entire row. A backpack also wouldn't hurt. This game isn't even worth playing without mods because of crap like this. There's nothing fun or challenging about inventory/chest storage management simulator.
I just don't understand why they can't make the jump effect act like resistances effects. U can't stack resistance only the most effective is applied ( which ever has the highest number) just have the potions jump a bit higher by like 5% or something to make it more worth while
Resistan stacks i think. When I use the root mask with and without the poison resistance potion, the damage I take is significantly lower on the later.
i think it would be complicated. like jump height increases with your skill. Would we not want that to stack with the mead or cape? i don't know. I think resistance is the exception with not stacking
Stuff like this would be understandable in an mmo. Now we are talking about a singleplayer / cop-op with friends. It wont break the economy because there isn't any, it wont need balancing its just a funny "haha" -thing. Valheim is so good, but sometimes people get blind on certain things
Just make the damn effects not stack. Give us our useful cape jump height back, and leave the jump pot to combine with another cape. It's the same with rested and resting, the stam regen doesn't stack, it takes the bigger number and uses that one. Same here, just take one of the buffs and use the 20%, not 40%. Pretty damn simple. Also, somebody mentioned storage space, that too. I'm not carrying around more potions than I already do
Bad change. Instead of making an interesting mead they take away from an existing item. Also, where are we supposed to put all these new items/meads, with the same inventory size.
I don't really see the point of the change since the potion is conceptually way worse to use. Realistically I'm not going to be crafting and carrying around potions for the possibility I'll need to jump marginally higher, I'd much rather just carry or grab wood at that point.
It's a stupid change tbh, I guess the Devs can't do a simple code to prevent the cape stacks with the potion, right? Bro, the cape is a pretty late item, it's not like you really need to fucking be so mad about a simple 20% bonus in jump, it will not make any difference, in fact, makes kinda "ok" the fact that you need to travel mistlands and all of their cluncky ass mountains... One of the biggest issue (for me and other ppl I have read bout) is the fact that your character can carry 3 peanuts and all of the armour and weapons have to be in the main inventory, guess if they wanna add so much shit to the game, they also could add a couple of extra space just for the goddamn armour, right? This game (in my opinion) have a really bad balance when we talk about the envirompent. May not be so difficoult to make the new armour set in every biome, but when we talk bout the materials needed to upgrade it and making it "competent enough" to not get 1 shot when a dumbass with 2 stars appear., the expenses get really high and farming it's not the most enjojable thing to do in any sandbox or rpg, and not enough with that, when you decide to go and face the next boss and get ready to explore a new biome, SURPRISE SURPRISE, your fully upgraded armour is kinda useless against the next minions you need to face, to keep the boring cicle of farming to get the next set, just to throw your old one in a random box or display in a random place, and the only next time you actually gonna use it, is when another 2 fucking star minion decides to 1 or 2 shots you in some random place, so you need to go for the last "best set" to try to recover the old one... You can call it "skill issue", but it also feels like the devs are more focused in "making the game feel hard" by putting a lot of enemys, make the weather just awful, put a lot of random mountains and cliffs around the area, but keeping all the enemys as simple as posible, with no new mechanics or something (yeah, ashlands and mistlands fits right here), and now, nerfing a good item, when it can just be a lil change in code to prevent the stack of both items, so if you wanna go ashlands with the cape, you need a fire res pot, or if u wanna go with something else, might wanna try the jump pot, but instead of actually making the new enviropment more challenging, and also letting you use all the things that you have been farming and making since the beggining, nah, let's nerf the cape cuz a lot of ppl uses it... WIth this change I feel like the ppl that were using the cape in ashlands for the transport bennefits, will just box their capes to use something that doesn't make you more vulnerable to the fire, and the cicle of farming and just using something for the correspondent biome keep on going... For me it's sad to see that some of the tools and powers just become useless, it's not like there's a lot of options for what to use in the next biome, just need to go, get the materials over and over, craft and uprgrade till max, go and face the new boss and use the new equipment until the next version of valheim is available and the cicle repits... Taking all of that appart, Valheim is a great game, I love the building, the views, playing with friends and making our own viking world. But it feels kinda unbalanced when you see that DarkSouls or any game alike IN FACT LET YOU FINISH ALL THE GAME WITHOUT HAVING ANY KIND OF UPGRADE, PURE SKILL... Well, wanna see that in Valheim too, let me use the set armour I wanna, let it be upgraded to make me feel that the hours I invested in crafting it actually ment something, if there's a lot of other games where you can just grab a random bonk weapon and let you upgrade till make it good enough to finish the game, why in this game feels like all the "progress" you make would not mean shiet cause the new version need you to craft the next best set to kinda have a chance to finish that biome, a waste of time and just to make a fake sense of difficulty, but well, keep sucking the devs, that's why mods are the thing that actually makes the game interesting.
The inventory is already too cluttered and now we will have to carry another item just to have the basic passive that was already there. The jump boost wasn't game breaking in the slightest but still a useful boost to have. Easiest fix is just don't have the lightfoot mead we don't need more clutter in the inventory anyway.
@@SpazzyjonesGaming I think an extra row of inventory and an encumbrance skill would work well for those that actually struggle with carry weight. Just like any other skill it would level up when you're performing the action in this case being encumbered and then slightly increase your carry weight as it levels also change the megingjord to increase carry weight by 50% instead of just 150
jump height is not an important enough stat to make me use an inventory slot for a potion that specifically increases it... like its just not that important... its much better off being an attribute to the cape than as a useless potion that players will rarely use.
I didn't realise we couldn't. I had 4 bloody hares in an iron cage for like 50 days trying everything I could to get those furry little mofos to get down and dirty......I mean that's where the saying "going at it like rabbits" comes from. Who'd have thought that the hares in valheim aren't into it? Disappointed 0/10
I don't like tracking and taking care of a multitude of time-dependent things; eat food, take a potion, oh I forgot my potions, oh the portion ran out, oh I have no room for another potion; and then multiply all that; it ends up being a QoL debuff, not just a cape debuff. The actual debuff itself is not so important as the unintended (really I'd have to say the devs know what a bottleneck they've created and keep adding to) consequences.
@@SpazzyjonesGaming For sure but that all contributes to overall lowering of QoL. Even if there were a larger inventory scheme, it gets to be a lot of fiddling around to maintain the supply chain and remembering to be contextually ready with the right potions at the right time. I like the trend where the resistances to, or perks are cleverly built into armor, more of a set it and forget it approach where the adventure and decision is to acquire those mats of interest to use; much more immersive in my mind than going to a new vendor to buy some stuff at gated intervals. The real bugaboo to the cape is the awful debuff because it is not linear as it relates to armor synergy. Fire is fire, poison is poison, it shouldn't be affected by one's level of armor unless that armor is specifically perked or debuffed, which the cape is. The debuff is fine if that's what the devs want, just removed the armor synergy that multiplies the effect (to the positive or the negative) in the background.
This may be a bit nihilistic, but people are a-holes, no matter what. Most fans of the game will still enjoy it regardless, whiles others complain if they do, or complain if they don't. It happens with every change being made. With every item added. Hatters going to hate. And folks will fan the flames of hate for their own enjoyment. I am glad for the most part that the Valheim community tends to be better, but it still has its fringe of haters that have nothing better to do than complain.
totally agree. I think we have a vocal minority who are upset about this change but I think most people are lovers of this game and will trust in the devs vision
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Resistances don't stack why would Jump bonuses stack? Wouldn't the highest bonus take priority? Forcing us to use a new item to make up for taking something while failing to increase inventory space only demonstrates their lack of connection to their community.
@@SpazzyjonesGaming 1st: Didn't ask. 2nd: No. Skills should stack with which ever singular buff item is granting the highest bonus. Period. It isn't difficult. Nerfing items in PvE games is just pathetic when the items in question aren't OP/Gamebreaking. It's a jump bonus of 20% that was nice for getting around Mistlands and Mountains. My inventory space is limited and this situation hasn't helped that. Only made it worse. 3rd: Still didn't ask.
I think it was a mistake to remove it completely. If they wanted to get people to use the potion instead, halve the benefit of the feather cape and increase the benefit of the potion to +10 jump ranks and +20% jump bonus to make it stand out.
I'm not thrilled to hear this. I just got the feather cape for the first time ever and its such a big QoL improvement, especially in the mistlands. Now, I'll need to make another damn mead and lose another inventory slot to have the same benefits. Hopefully they at least remove the weakness to fire so I don't need fire meads too.
i feel like the jump boost should stay on the cape but they should do what they did for the root mask and poison resistance mead and just have one trump the other, not stack.
What is so broken about being able to jump higher at that stage of the game that it requires a nerf? 'Cause if the only reason is they want to add another item that's not worth grinding or carrying, well, that's just annoying.
@@SpazzyjonesGaming Not making a new item would also be a way to deal with that. Another way would to let it be ridiculous. Ridiculous is fun. I thought maybe it trivialized some part of the game, and I just didn't realize. Definitely not as powerful as "raise ground", or campfires.
@@SpazzyjonesGaming I thought maybe you could get the potion earlier than the cape, but no, it also requires Mistland ingredients. It would be nice for getting around the swamp, just change out magecaps and scale hide for ooze and... deer hide?
I’m completely good with the feather cape’s jump boost being gone and replaced with a potion. People need to chill out. I think it’s wrong that the devs are getting backlash for balancing the game.
There's people that just wants it all. We have got for some months an extra bonus on that cape that was never there from start. The main reason for the cape to exist remain there. Sometimes it's just better to be deaf to complainers
Not happy about the nerf eith how necessary feather cape is (almost mandatory) for traversing the mistlands. Removing the jump height just makes it even rougher
I feel its ok to remove the added jump height as long as the stamina reduce buff is still there. I won't be attempting to carry around 6 to 10 types of potions anytime soon so ill just have to manage.
The bog witch, new food system and meads are useless additions that could have been solved, if they had just balanced all the capes like they were asked to, some existing mods show how easily it could be done. Half of the capes become completely useless to your viking adventures as soon as you leave the biome you acquired them in and that's just piss poor progression planning.
they aren't focused on progression but rather grind rabbitholes - This game is better and more accomodating than some hardcore survivor multiplayers, but I'd wager the devs are fans of abominations like Mortal Online 2 and the likes - where even lifting a thumb in-game requires 10h of grinding + 5h of UI fiddling... I find that to be excrutiating, luckily valheim's highly moddable despite their "non-support" for it, I have been fixing the game for a while now, I think at some point I might start hitting the 100s of QoL and gameplay loop fixes which's a bit insane.
The mead space on inventory is already taking space (currently I only bring 3 food and hp/stamina/ elemtres mead), so I'm not sure i'd bring another jump mead just to explore... not to mention the problem on jumping and soloing ambushes on mistland 😢
I 100% guarantee you nobody will notice that change in any practical way when playing. I didn’t even know it was a thing to begin with. And now they’re gonna have mead to give the buff. So just use the mead
I don't really mind the jump height change, but the addition of fire weakness always felt mean. I know it was supposed to be for Ashlands, but it does make the actual biome the feather cape was intended for (Mistlands) harder because of the Gjall.
I believe it may have been a misinterpretation of what the devs said. From my research there was not concrete evidence that they said they would revert it
I haven't even gotten to the mistlands and was so excited for the feather cape. I'm pretty disappointed that I won't get to experience it the way it has been that's made it so popular an item. I'm sure it'll still be great with the fall modifier but it's frustrating
Hard feelings here, I like to have an epic end game item (or item set), and the feather cape was that before the Ashlands, but now there's options with pros and cons. As far as I know the fall damage elimination is ONLY on the feather cape but the burn weakness makes it dangerous (one Gjall surprise and it's time to search for your own tombstone). The newer capes are nice, but lack the fall damage solution. Sadly the inventory space is too small to carry a couple capes on you, lolz. I think there's too much bad diversity in the game. I would have liked it more if the newer craft stations would replace the old ones (Artisan table instead of workbench, black forge instead of forge, etc), or at least the newer stations should be able to repair more items.
The oldest iteration of the cape was fine, the current one is still an upgrade to that. I keep telling people to go mash spacebar bonking their head against a roof for a while if they care that much. The change makes the ashlands capes worth considering unlike before which is good for variety. Honestly, the extra jump height was a bit too much at times.
you say they nerfed the feather cape because of balancing issue because feather cape + new jump mead would be too op this wasn't a problem untill they added the new jump mead , so they only added the jump mead to purposly nerf feather cape for no reason
@@SpazzyjonesGaming then why even add the jump mead in the first place ? it has no purpose other than for a reason to nerf feather cape , it's not like anyone asked for it or devs wanted to always add ot
@@ender__games5983 They just want to overcomplicate already normal things.. no cool weapons, no two-handed sword from start(like man, bronze two-handed sword), no wooden spear... meh... so much potential for new items, and they just nerf good thing just to add it again...
If everyone liked the cape with jump on it, and the people "pro" removal are actually just okay with moving the jump boost to potions, isn't it logically sound to just leave it on the cape and keep everyone satisfied? The argument of "but making the potion is trivial now" just means the potion isn't a necessary element in the game... Also the "balance" is already established the way it is, so that doesn't seem to be a realistic issue. Additionally, if travelling is already such a hassle that the top comment in all the val dev posts is some random guy asking for a bicycle, perhaps making that issue worse is evidently not the move. A logical fellow wouldn't need consider the issue long.
fair. I tend to lean towards letting the devs achieve their vision. the game is still in early access still and perhaps they have something planned in the future to relieve some of this stuff
Imo people are forgetting that this cape isn't supposed to be the one cape to rule them all, and that it's just an another step in those stairs called progression. Personally i would be fine if the cape offered nothing but weakness to fire, resistance to cold and the feather falling effect. Weakness to fire gives incentive to change it as fast as you can when you are going to the next biome, OR a risk to be reckoned with while using it. Resistance to cold gives QOL of being able to go to previous biome (mountains) without having to search for those cold res meads or old capes. Feather falling effect is in itself such an op effect that the cape would be worth wearing even in Ashlands. Valheim isn't a finished game, so buffs and nerfs are expected to come, and imo people shouldn't be so hurt as we don't know if there isn't an even better cape around the corner (hope there is).
The devs are doing great work, the hare trophy removal is an appropriate response. Overall the game has been balanced well and I trust they will continue.
I haven’t even killed The Elder yet after like 150 hours because I’m just having too much fun living the Viking life. Also I’m scared of trolls smashing my house 🤣.
I agree with both statements. But overall I strongly disagree with them removing the jump buff. They already do some questionable at best things and all it takes is a few more of this type of interaction to make my friends not play the game at all anymore.
Feather cape is way to broken as it is, splitting the effect into other consumes is great! It makes other capes easier to consider and makes the Mistlands easier to traverse earlier since the mead is probably easier to craft than the cloak.
for the amount of damage you take from fire was a fair trade off and it should keep the jump boost. i dont want to have to worry about yet ANOTHER potion i have to farm for, craft, carry and use. keep the potion by all means, at least itll open up options for people who want to use different equipment
"Unless you're living under a rock" Nah, I don't care too much about a game that doesn't enfatize performance. If you build something small the game runs like garbage
Seeing as this is not a game based around pvp like rust or ark (ofc servers have it) i dont see why to really nerf anything, the item was more fun, now its less fun which is a negitive for 90% of the people that just play the game
So longs jump high boost, it was fun while it lasted but I’m not wasting another slot for a mead. Bad change at least add the buff to a different clothing item.
how long would the meads have to last for you guys to use them? for me, they would have to last as long as my food, maybe then i could drink one before leaving base and have a short adventure, or only carry 1 or 2. the inventory issue is real, i cant justify an inventory slot for 5mins of anything... maybe a town portal lmao
Feather cape is my go to once I get eitr, I think a rebalance of lower jump/stamina height would be nice. I think the frost resist should stay as it makes sense. On a side note, I always thought the ashen cape should provide a fire resist effect. Maybe the Asksvin cape, but since it's a wind cape I thought a wet status eliminator something similar would be cool too, from the frost resist I feel the frost resist is repetitive but it makes sense for a cape
@@SpazzyjonesGaming I do like the look of full fenris and ashen cape and that might have been to much fire resistance if all 4 are used. I'm not fully sure how all the effects work out in game
The only feather cape I remember is the first iteration. Jump height would be nice for mistlands, sure, but since I never had it and managed, getting it from a potion is fine too. _shrug_ That cape at its height (ha!) was OP any ways, especially with the way fire weakness is just overwritten by fire resist, so it's not even that big of a weakness. If you really don't like it, mod it or try something else. People having a way to coalesce and reach devs has made them entitled. When you bought a CD, you got that game and that was it. I'd expect sometimes devs wish they still lived in that era.
totally agree. only OGs remember haha. The original feather cape made people lose their minds over it! And its still even better today than it was despite the most recent change
I personally hate this. I've been playing through the Ashlands for the first time recently because I've been playing with friends and wanted to play through it blind with them. To say I'm disappointed is an understatement, my three friends hate the biome, and I can't say I'm exactly fond of it either even though my excitement for new content is doing a lot of heavy lifting. The biggest issue is the lag, we have had constant issues with lag when more than one or two of us are in the Ashlands. Which is making it annoying for them and impossible for me since it's just exasperating the latency issues I already had. I've changed the way I play to mostly jumping around to avoid damage while I support the group with the staff of protection (which if you've never experienced with lag, it fucking sucks) and summoning roots when I can. I suspect without the jump height it's going to spend less time airborne and more time trying to jump with my lag issues, and that'll hurt a lot. So I really think I'll have to add this extra tedium of farming hares and making these meads to preparation, as well as carry them in my already cramped inventory. It's not like I can switch capes either because of how necessary the feather fall is to the way I'm playing. So even for a balance change I don't get to see any benefits to it. The only thing that changes is that I'm just wasting some of the limited time we can get together to play on extra prep. Tldr Ashlands is shit and that's a lot more annoying than this balance change.
Man devs are obsessed with food to the games detriment. Stamina drain is so unbalanced in this game I'll just add the jump height back with Val+. Inventory space is so bad especially when you need to travel to MIstlands and Ashlands. So I would rather not lose yet another one for yet another food to take
Its always dangerous to take away from players. If you give something you have to make it as perminant as possible but the reality is ballence is the most important thing. Best they can do as devs is not get hung up on it. Take this one on the chin and move forward.
anger is not the way of the jedi. Not upset cuz you can stack meads and now the buff works with any gear. They'll get to inventory issue i believe. Iron Gate really cares about valheim and its a smaller team so have patience. Until then we have the modders to thank for making life easy.
I’m working on finishing my 1st play through after rage quitting when the game was pretty much a few weeks old. I’ve just now made it to the mistlands and missed the cape in its previous states so I’m certainly biased, but it seemed broken on paper. 300 hours played and I’m bonkers impressed with how far the game improved since its release. I truly don’t understand the folks saying the devs suck, everything I’ve seen from release to now is significantly better. I FUCKING LOVE VALHEIM.
@@SpazzyjonesGaming I didn’t understand the initial mechanics very well. The game doesn’t offer much guidance I assume by design. Made it to the swamp well away from my base but didn’t understand teleporters yet and died twice after building two seperate boats. Strangely the earlier biomes feel easier than I remember, skill issue or balancing perhaps?
I’m shocked how many morons are defending this. It’s extremely lazy to remove a buff and then slap it on a “new” item when we already have extremely limited inventory spaces.
@@SpazzyjonesGaming I'm fine with it as well. I always thought the limited inventory space adds a nice challenge because you have to prepare more wisely for each specific adventure into a particular zone, instead of just grabbing everything at once and and blowing through every situation.
people wouldnt be upset if there were any other good options, the fact that the feather cape outclassed the others by so much is clearly a balance issue. im shocked how nobody noticed that
At this point, there is no change they can make to this game to make me hate it or stop playing. I'm too much of a fan and have invested too many hours to not see it till the end ... and then some.
You actually made the video, that's hilarious dx I have been looking through Reddit recently for Bog Witch update info and this case is really entertaining, apart from bridges dominance I am not enthusiastic about the change, the jump potion will be nearly always used with the cape because of the unforgiving fall damage. Maybe the jump increase could be moved to lvl 4 cape since apart from Ashen cape there is no point in upgrading them (unless single points of armor and even larger durability is essential for you). This could require some effort to get all those benefits
I really like the idea of unlocking the buff at a higher level. Very interesting. Also, that idea made me think of set bonuses perhaps? Maybe set bonuses are something they could introduce
@@SpazzyjonesGaming From the look of it the feather cape is more of a mage equipment (it also somewhat helps in evasion what is crucial for mages) so maybeee it could get some synergies with Embla/Eitr set? On the other hand, there could be some kind of offensive cape for Mistlands to give players the choice like hare cape that could boost jumping and speed or cape from seekers trophy that could give some more armor than a typical cape (but not more than Ashen cape) and could enable higher jumping on the basis of 'using wings' to assist the jumping through Mistland ATROCIOUS rock formations... Going to the meads with this buff is... somehow understandable considering the nature of this buff but at the end of the day this potion will end up like the swimming one that is also reasonable in terms of the buff but not in the Valheim playstyle. The only important potions are imo the troll one and the one for running (and maybe berserkir, but it will require more set up to use). I have already caught around 60 Trollfishes to make them to help me with Flametal transport in Ashlands dx
@@SpazzyjonesGaming Thank you man! I really appreciate it 😃 Those 520 h of mine are paying off I guess 😅 Valheim is a phenomenal game and I wish it all the best, hoping that 1.0 version will enrich the experience even more and adjust already existing content like making spears more... reasonable dx
I don't really mind. People will always complain, the game isn't particularly punishing and smoothing out the power curve is fine in my eyes. The game is moddable too, though I've never come across such an anti modding community in a moddable game, it's very strange. Most games that stand the test of time that aren't live service do so on the shoulders of the modding community. I'd still like to see terrain walls patched out somehow and maybe a look at some of the OP kit from earlier. Root harness, Frostner etc
No one wants a jump mead.... Leave it as is make a better cape for the ice zone so people have to decide feather or ice cape. Add a ash cape. Stupid meads..
What do you all think about the feather cape change!? Let me know below!
@@SpazzyjonesGaming We got a lot of cool cooking things and its great and i see this exchange as absolute win. But also we need additional space made expecially for food or potions, even little sack with 3 slots would be enough
@@incognito6599 yeah inventory space would be welcome
I do understand the nerf, when I first saw the new meads I instantly thought about the cape and the multiplying bonuses, as a dev behind the buttons I would have probably made the same call, it's standard procedure.
Which does not mean I agree with it.
If there are other stacking bonuses (boss powers/items + new potions), then those items/boss powers should also be addressed in the same manner.
LE: what's the point in doing this now, with over 1 year development time left for Deep North/1.0? It's not like you're going to use that cape outside mistlands during progress (so excluding fun activities/fooling around eh)
it suck, i loved feather cape.....because it was OP lol
The point of the weakness to fire was to make it less of an auto use and if they take the jumping benefits off it, should remove that weakness entirely then. It then goes from an auto use to a determination of utility. Do I want the benefits of the slow fall and no fall damage or do I want X.
People are always going to flip out when you give an item that gives a massive quality of life bonus and then nerf it back down.
definitely
same as when helldivers 2 added the fire weapons, then nerfed fire.
i think it should work like the mountain biome with frost potions until you get a frost resist cape/armor. you use the jump height potions to traverse the Mistlands, until you get the cape and no longer need the potions.
thats pretty fair. I like that suggestion
Its stupid change.
LIKE WE HAVE INVENTORY SPACE FOR ALL THOSE POTIONS!!!!!!!!
the inventory space is the best argument I have heard against this change IMO
Make the ashlands/mistlands feasts at your base and you have 2 food slots freed up for the jump/run potions, there u go
The fact that we have the same storage space with all the extra items shows the devs aren't really considering much when makin changes. @@SpazzyjonesGaming
Feasts will remove some food from your inventory
@@Yamaazaka It's called forcing a player to prioritize items. This is a survival game.
Nah the jump height made travel in the mistlands amazing
people for sure liked it
I'm ok with the buff going to a potion, but, maybe we need some sort of inventory management overhaul. Maybe more slots or another approach.
the inventory criticism is the most fair I have heard I feel
Mods.
@@TheStraightestWhitest mods are cool and all, but vanilla inventory sucks so much it wont hurt to improve it, imagine having separated slots for armor and accessories? like any other RPG out there, maybe some bag increase, not like we want more weight, just more slots to carry all the extra junk theyre adding!
they need to add a "backpack" type thing like the Belt, or Boar can carry 1 stack, Wolf can carry 2 and Lox carry 4 like the boat storage
You won't be ok when you will try travelling thr Mistlands.
It was a nice QoL, it's not the best change, considering that people won't make a whole potion that is a consumable with duration time just to get that small QoL feature. Maybe if we had a pouch/backpack like item that you equip such as the wisp or the belt, which provides you with more space to store away unused items. For example, if you are about to go raid a fuling village or fight a boss you don't need your axe, pickaxe, hoe, hammer or stuff like that in your inventory so just put them in the pouch/backpack and replace with potions or such! Stuff in the pouch is inaccessible unless pouch is equipped so you can't actively use extra space and carry 450 weight at the same time, but still can carry more lightweight items.
inventory size change would be welcome
yeah i wont use the potion and ive been using feather cape only and really abusing that jump bonus. ill have to totally change my playstyle but i wont be changing it to using 5min potions, thats not fun.
I’d prefer if the cape kept the jump bonus, just because I like more freedom of movement and modifier stacking (as long as it’s not outrageously OP), but this change really doesn’t affect me much. Valheim is just a good game and the devs keep improving it, I don’t care about minutiae like this.
yeah it doesn't affect me much either
I didn't even realise that there was a jump bonus.
Just want to gliiide
the glide is the best part
Jump bonus is invaluable when building
@@ericlinville564 This. Now imma just cheat Fly everywhere while building.
@@TheStraightestWhitest My problem is I'm not in control of the modifiers on the server I play on. All my building is done with the resources I can gather. I've yet to start my own server to just build with unlimited resources while flying. So I'm kind of stuck with the bonuses the feather cape give me.
@@ericlinville564 Ah yeah, in that case it sucks.
I can't say I'm a fan of nerfing a currently existing item just to give that quality to a new item. That being said, if the new potion were to stack with the old cape, it would've been kinda op. Honestly, they should just leave the cape as it is, make the buffs *not* stack, and gate the lightfoot mead behind defeating Yag. That way, you can have *some* of the cape's benefits when you begin exploring Mistlands, but will still have to put in the work to actually get the cape, and if the jump buff doesn't stack, no chance of it being op. Bang- everyone's happy.
good take
a lot of languages and you decide to talk with the truth
I still dont really understand how having a higher jump is OP
I'm so behind the times I didn't even know it ever did anything other than cut fall damage.
oh yaaa
Personally, I'm more mad that the devs are too focused on nerfing good items instead of buffing bad items. I really don't think a little extra jump height is something insane and game breaking and personally when I heard we were getting a jump boost potion I was excited to see how high I'd be able to go with the cape on. For a game that has very little PvP in it, I don't think it needs to nerf strong items as much as it should buff weaker items. The problem with the feather cape isn't that it's super overpowered, it's just really good and currently the only competition it has is the askavin cape. I do like that the devs are balancing things though because it gives me hope that soon some of the extremely underused items will be rebalanced in the future.
i think thats a good argument ferret. Make the other capes better
I enjoyed the jump bonus that was **added** to the cape, but I'm fine without it. I think it makes a lot of sense to move that kind of buff effect to a mead, honestly. That said, I WANT MORE INVENTORY SPACE. I already felt that the limited space was frustrating in the wake of Ashlands, and now with the Bog Witch adding even more potions to the pool, I anticipate managing inventory is going to be an even bigger issue.
I already suggested this on their website, but I'll leave it here:
Provide a separate panel for equipment slots (like many other games do). Head, chest, legs, weapon, and trinket slots.
Provide at least one slot dedicated to ammunition.
Provide at least one slot dedicated to potions.
I'm a hobbyist developer, so I know these changes are way more difficult to make than it seems, but freeing up inventory slots would improve the experience of the game SO MUCH, in my opinion, and worth the effort.
good suggestions. Inventory size and management are probably the most common and fair criticisms of the game
@@SpazzyjonesGaming Honestly, a potion pouch etc. that you could craft and equip, maybe a button to quickly open the menu to use potions you carry. Or something along the lines
yeah clearly a winner but they know about it, inventory slots and hotkeys was likely the most popular mod for the game year after year
There are already backpack mods and equipment (paper doll) mods. I'm sure the devs can do it. Hell, they could even buy the mod/hire a modder to bring it in if they really didn't want to do it themselves.
They should keep the jump height bonus and the potion, but make the potion obtainable before the mistlands, say in the moutain biome. That way, you'd be able to get the potion in the mountain where it would be useful, use it again in the mistlands, then finally be able to stop using it when you get the cape. Basically the same as needing frost resistance potions up until you get the wolf cape.
interesting
The main problem is the consensus on the mistlands is pretty negativity overall, I'd wager it's considered the worst biome for the majority of the player base so you further nerfing items and things related to the mistlands is never a good idea lol
yeah which is weird. Its grown on me a ton!
Not a fan of the change, but also not bothered by it... since I *only* play modded Valheim at this point, and there's always some modder who whips up a reversion as soon as these sort of changes go live.
From what I read in Reddit posts there is already a mod that covers this change
im pretty indifferent too
So now we have more potions... BUT where is the space in the backpack to have them?
In order to go to the mistlands we need...
1) Armor (4 slots)
2) Food (3 slots)
3) Weapons (3 to 4 slots)
4) Potions of health, stamina, fire res and now bonus jump (4 slots)
5) 10 wood (1 slot)
6) Portal (3 slots)
7) Wisp torchs (2 slots)
8) Wisp (1 slot)
22 F-ING SLOTS just to go to mistlands!
And the worse? How much of weigth is in the backpack?
Sorry, but 3 things need to happen:
1) They delete the potion and move the bonus to the cape
2) They change the potion to need hare trophy and move the bonus to the cape
3) They make more space in the inventory or make "backpacks" in order to increase our inventory capacity (slots, but not weight). or at least a belt of potions (2 slots).
well with the new feasts you won't have to carry food on you anymore
@@evelynt Just because it gives a longer buff doesn't mean you don't need to carry food.
Craftable backpack extensions would be great.
At least we should craft harnesk for Armor slots, holder for weapon slots, pouch and shit.
agreed on the criticism of inventory size
I think the fact that people are this frazzed about the feather cape indicates we’re all spoiled and codependent on it.
ding ding ding, not one comment saying "doesnt bother me i use askvin cape" seems the balance issue is thoroughly highlighted
THIS! 100%
The lightfoot mead wouldn't be an issue if the devs weren't so stubborn about the current inventory. They keep adding more stuff to the game for us to carry but they don't give us any room to carry it. The tiny stack sizes don't help either. At the bare minimum, we need the equipment and quick slots mod for vanilla. That alone frees up an entire row. A backpack also wouldn't hurt. This game isn't even worth playing without mods because of crap like this. There's nothing fun or challenging about inventory/chest storage management simulator.
i think they need to address inventory before 1.0
I just don't understand why they can't make the jump effect act like resistances effects. U can't stack resistance only the most effective is applied ( which ever has the highest number) just have the potions jump a bit higher by like 5% or something to make it more worth while
Resistan stacks i think. When I use the root mask with and without the poison resistance potion, the damage I take is significantly lower on the later.
@@RicardoFuertes1990 Resistant didn't stack
i think it would be complicated. like jump height increases with your skill. Would we not want that to stack with the mead or cape? i don't know. I think resistance is the exception with not stacking
Stuff like this would be understandable in an mmo. Now we are talking about a singleplayer / cop-op with friends. It wont break the economy because there isn't any, it wont need balancing its just a funny "haha" -thing. Valheim is so good, but sometimes people get blind on certain things
i still think balance is important in a solo game
Just make the damn effects not stack. Give us our useful cape jump height back, and leave the jump pot to combine with another cape. It's the same with rested and resting, the stam regen doesn't stack, it takes the bigger number and uses that one. Same here, just take one of the buffs and use the 20%, not 40%. Pretty damn simple.
Also, somebody mentioned storage space, that too. I'm not carrying around more potions than I already do
i agree on inventory storage
Bad change. Instead of making an interesting mead they take away from an existing item.
Also, where are we supposed to put all these new items/meads, with the same inventory size.
the inventory size is a fair argument
I don't really see the point of the change since the potion is conceptually way worse to use. Realistically I'm not going to be crafting and carrying around potions for the possibility I'll need to jump marginally higher, I'd much rather just carry or grab wood at that point.
i think they were just worried about how high you would be jumping by combining the two
@@SpazzyjonesGaming then program it to no stack, duh
It's a stupid change tbh, I guess the Devs can't do a simple code to prevent the cape stacks with the potion, right? Bro, the cape is a pretty late item, it's not like you really need to fucking be so mad about a simple 20% bonus in jump, it will not make any difference, in fact, makes kinda "ok" the fact that you need to travel mistlands and all of their cluncky ass mountains... One of the biggest issue (for me and other ppl I have read bout) is the fact that your character can carry 3 peanuts and all of the armour and weapons have to be in the main inventory, guess if they wanna add so much shit to the game, they also could add a couple of extra space just for the goddamn armour, right?
This game (in my opinion) have a really bad balance when we talk about the envirompent. May not be so difficoult to make the new armour set in every biome, but when we talk bout the materials needed to upgrade it and making it "competent enough" to not get 1 shot when a dumbass with 2 stars appear., the expenses get really high and farming it's not the most enjojable thing to do in any sandbox or rpg, and not enough with that, when you decide to go and face the next boss and get ready to explore a new biome, SURPRISE SURPRISE, your fully upgraded armour is kinda useless against the next minions you need to face, to keep the boring cicle of farming to get the next set, just to throw your old one in a random box or display in a random place, and the only next time you actually gonna use it, is when another 2 fucking star minion decides to 1 or 2 shots you in some random place, so you need to go for the last "best set" to try to recover the old one... You can call it "skill issue", but it also feels like the devs are more focused in "making the game feel hard" by putting a lot of enemys, make the weather just awful, put a lot of random mountains and cliffs around the area, but keeping all the enemys as simple as posible, with no new mechanics or something (yeah, ashlands and mistlands fits right here), and now, nerfing a good item, when it can just be a lil change in code to prevent the stack of both items, so if you wanna go ashlands with the cape, you need a fire res pot, or if u wanna go with something else, might wanna try the jump pot, but instead of actually making the new enviropment more challenging, and also letting you use all the things that you have been farming and making since the beggining, nah, let's nerf the cape cuz a lot of ppl uses it...
WIth this change I feel like the ppl that were using the cape in ashlands for the transport bennefits, will just box their capes to use something that doesn't make you more vulnerable to the fire, and the cicle of farming and just using something for the correspondent biome keep on going... For me it's sad to see that some of the tools and powers just become useless, it's not like there's a lot of options for what to use in the next biome, just need to go, get the materials over and over, craft and uprgrade till max, go and face the new boss and use the new equipment until the next version of valheim is available and the cicle repits...
Taking all of that appart, Valheim is a great game, I love the building, the views, playing with friends and making our own viking world. But it feels kinda unbalanced when you see that DarkSouls or any game alike IN FACT LET YOU FINISH ALL THE GAME WITHOUT HAVING ANY KIND OF UPGRADE, PURE SKILL... Well, wanna see that in Valheim too, let me use the set armour I wanna, let it be upgraded to make me feel that the hours I invested in crafting it actually ment something, if there's a lot of other games where you can just grab a random bonk weapon and let you upgrade till make it good enough to finish the game, why in this game feels like all the "progress" you make would not mean shiet cause the new version need you to craft the next best set to kinda have a chance to finish that biome, a waste of time and just to make a fake sense of difficulty, but well, keep sucking the devs, that's why mods are the thing that actually makes the game interesting.
Go play DarkSouls
thanks for taking the time for such a big and well thought out write up!
The inventory is already too cluttered and now we will have to carry another item just to have the basic passive that was already there. The jump boost wasn't game breaking in the slightest but still a useful boost to have. Easiest fix is just don't have the lightfoot mead we don't need more clutter in the inventory anyway.
i think inventory will need to be addressed before 1.0
@@SpazzyjonesGaming I think an extra row of inventory and an encumbrance skill would work well for those that actually struggle with carry weight. Just like any other skill it would level up when you're performing the action in this case being encumbered and then slightly increase your carry weight as it levels also change the megingjord to increase carry weight by 50% instead of just 150
@@Galaxyman1233 I dig it. A lot of good ideas in the comments today
jump height is not an important enough stat to make me use an inventory slot for a potion that specifically increases it... like its just not that important... its much better off being an attribute to the cape than as a useless potion that players will rarely use.
yeah I don't really need the jump height if Im being honest
My only complaint is finding these vendors are such a pain so I could go a whole playthrough without finding the bog witch
i love the hunt!
Tangentially related, but it would be quite convenient to be able to tame and breed hares
totalllly agree!
I didn't realise we couldn't. I had 4 bloody hares in an iron cage for like 50 days trying everything I could to get those furry little mofos to get down and dirty......I mean that's where the saying "going at it like rabbits" comes from. Who'd have thought that the hares in valheim aren't into it?
Disappointed 0/10
@@benturner3458 hahahah thats hilarious
I don't like tracking and taking care of a multitude of time-dependent things; eat food, take a potion, oh I forgot my potions, oh the portion ran out, oh I have no room for another potion; and then multiply all that; it ends up being a QoL debuff, not just a cape debuff. The actual debuff itself is not so important as the unintended (really I'd have to say the devs know what a bottleneck they've created and keep adding to) consequences.
you dont have to use the potions
@@SpazzyjonesGaming For sure but that all contributes to overall lowering of QoL. Even if there were a larger inventory scheme, it gets to be a lot of fiddling around to maintain the supply chain and remembering to be contextually ready with the right potions at the right time. I like the trend where the resistances to, or perks are cleverly built into armor, more of a set it and forget it approach where the adventure and decision is to acquire those mats of interest to use; much more immersive in my mind than going to a new vendor to buy some stuff at gated intervals.
The real bugaboo to the cape is the awful debuff because it is not linear as it relates to armor synergy. Fire is fire, poison is poison, it shouldn't be affected by one's level of armor unless that armor is specifically perked or debuffed, which the cape is. The debuff is fine if that's what the devs want, just removed the armor synergy that multiplies the effect (to the positive or the negative) in the background.
This may be a bit nihilistic, but people are a-holes, no matter what. Most fans of the game will still enjoy it regardless, whiles others complain if they do, or complain if they don't. It happens with every change being made. With every item added. Hatters going to hate. And folks will fan the flames of hate for their own enjoyment. I am glad for the most part that the Valheim community tends to be better, but it still has its fringe of haters that have nothing better to do than complain.
totally agree. I think we have a vocal minority who are upset about this change but I think most people are lovers of this game and will trust in the devs vision
Give them literal magic and they'll complain it's not magical enough.
Literally 😂
THIS
This is the most underrated comment in the history of underrated comments, if not the world. It's true, everybody knows it. I came in here and was scrolling the comments, and I saw this comment and said "wow, what a great comment. There's no comment like it" The comment was so great.
@@jaymcdude1291 Thank you, thank you, I'll be here all week, you've been a wonderful audience, good night everybody!
@@jaymcdude1291 Mr 45th President and soon to be 47th President of the USA, is that you?
I’m offended at the fact that only a handful of comments got you to make a video on something.
Am I a joke to you Spazzy??
P.S. mod review when
Its funny, I was planning on making the video and after commenting on the reddit post and getting a response and pivoted and changed the structure of the video based on that haha. I think it turned out nicely
Resistances don't stack why would Jump bonuses stack? Wouldn't the highest bonus take priority? Forcing us to use a new item to make up for taking something while failing to increase inventory space only demonstrates their lack of connection to their community.
very different things imo. By that logic, the jump height you gain from increasing your skill shouldn't stack with the cape?
@@SpazzyjonesGaming 1st: Didn't ask. 2nd: No. Skills should stack with which ever singular buff item is granting the highest bonus. Period. It isn't difficult. Nerfing items in PvE games is just pathetic when the items in question aren't OP/Gamebreaking. It's a jump bonus of 20% that was nice for getting around Mistlands and Mountains. My inventory space is limited and this situation hasn't helped that. Only made it worse. 3rd: Still didn't ask.
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@@Blakkrazor69 🤣
People: WE WANT MORE INVENTORY SPACE
Also them: USING MODS IS CHEATING
hahah i know right
I would love to see them added some unique stat to the linen capes. I like the look of them but they are pretty much cosmetics and not very useful.
the linen cape does need a bit of help. At least you can change the colour!
i think it should add a discount at traders
you're wearing a fancy cape so maybe the traders would find you more respectable
I think it was a mistake to remove it completely. If they wanted to get people to use the potion instead, halve the benefit of the feather cape and increase the benefit of the potion to +10 jump ranks and +20% jump bonus to make it stand out.
not a bad idea
I do think they should return the jump height. The mistlands are SO miserable to Traverse and the Mist is such a pain. It was a convenient feature
we shall see if it makes a return someday
I'm not thrilled to hear this. I just got the feather cape for the first time ever and its such a big QoL improvement, especially in the mistlands. Now, I'll need to make another damn mead and lose another inventory slot to have the same benefits. Hopefully they at least remove the weakness to fire so I don't need fire meads too.
fair
i feel like the jump boost should stay on the cape but they should do what they did for the root mask and poison resistance mead and just have one trump the other, not stack.
potentially. a couple people have suggested that
What is so broken about being able to jump higher at that stage of the game that it requires a nerf? 'Cause if the only reason is they want to add another item that's not worth grinding or carrying, well, that's just annoying.
I just think it combined with the mead and a high jump skill would get ridiculous so they had to reduce it a bit
@@SpazzyjonesGaming Not making a new item would also be a way to deal with that. Another way would to let it be ridiculous. Ridiculous is fun. I thought maybe it trivialized some part of the game, and I just didn't realize. Definitely not as powerful as "raise ground", or campfires.
@@SpazzyjonesGaming I thought maybe you could get the potion earlier than the cape, but no, it also requires Mistland ingredients. It would be nice for getting around the swamp, just change out magecaps and scale hide for ooze and... deer hide?
@@madtitan9639 yeah you probably still can get it sooner than cape but not a lot sooner
I’m completely good with the feather cape’s jump boost being gone and replaced with a potion. People need to chill out. I think it’s wrong that the devs are getting backlash for balancing the game.
same, i really don't think it's a big deal. but some ppl love to get mad over nothing D:
@@no_i_dont_want_no_slugs ledditors
Meh it’s a dumb change (so now I need to carry an extra item that runs out or realistically not have it at all) but yah it’s not a big deal.
@@maryanchabursky9148 You don’t necessarily have to take a potion unless you want jump boost.
There's people that just wants it all. We have got for some months an extra bonus on that cape that was never there from start. The main reason for the cape to exist remain there. Sometimes it's just better to be deaf to complainers
So glad that they did this. Couldn't do the best combo attack with that cape on because of the jump height
YES! only the valheim vets understand this
Not happy about the nerf eith how necessary feather cape is (almost mandatory) for traversing the mistlands. Removing the jump height just makes it even rougher
fair
I feel its ok to remove the added jump height as long as the stamina reduce buff is still there. I won't be attempting to carry around 6 to 10 types of potions anytime soon so ill just have to manage.
yeah you will definitely have to be choosy with the meads you're rocking
This games devs are the best supportive devs I have ever seen for an indie game and people still complain...
I know right!
The bog witch, new food system and meads are useless additions that could have been solved, if they had just balanced all the capes like they were asked to, some existing mods show how easily it could be done. Half of the capes become completely useless to your viking adventures as soon as you leave the biome you acquired them in and that's just piss poor progression planning.
i really like the bog witch stuff personally
they aren't focused on progression but rather grind rabbitholes - This game is better and more accomodating than some hardcore survivor multiplayers, but I'd wager the devs are fans of abominations like Mortal Online 2 and the likes - where even lifting a thumb in-game requires 10h of grinding + 5h of UI fiddling... I find that to be excrutiating, luckily valheim's highly moddable despite their "non-support" for it, I have been fixing the game for a while now, I think at some point I might start hitting the 100s of QoL and gameplay loop fixes which's a bit insane.
I thought the change was getting reverted.I personally hate it and now im dreading ever going into the mistlands ever again
nope. Made official today, the change has stayed
The mead space on inventory is already taking space (currently I only bring 3 food and hp/stamina/ elemtres mead), so I'm not sure i'd bring another jump mead just to explore...
not to mention the problem on jumping and soloing ambushes on mistland 😢
feasts will help with food space hopefully
I 100% guarantee you nobody will notice that change in any practical way when playing. I didn’t even know it was a thing to begin with. And now they’re gonna have mead to give the buff. So just use the mead
i think you're likely correct
I don't really mind the jump height change, but the addition of fire weakness always felt mean. I know it was supposed to be for Ashlands, but it does make the actual biome the feather cape was intended for (Mistlands) harder because of the Gjall.
gotta get some barley wine!
I thought the devs said it was a mistake?
He explains it in the video
exactly lol
I believe it may have been a misinterpretation of what the devs said. From my research there was not concrete evidence that they said they would revert it
I haven't even gotten to the mistlands and was so excited for the feather cape. I'm pretty disappointed that I won't get to experience it the way it has been that's made it so popular an item. I'm sure it'll still be great with the fall modifier but it's frustrating
its still a great item
Hard feelings here, I like to have an epic end game item (or item set), and the feather cape was that before the Ashlands, but now there's options with pros and cons. As far as I know the fall damage elimination is ONLY on the feather cape but the burn weakness makes it dangerous (one Gjall surprise and it's time to search for your own tombstone). The newer capes are nice, but lack the fall damage solution. Sadly the inventory space is too small to carry a couple capes on you, lolz.
I think there's too much bad diversity in the game. I would have liked it more if the newer craft stations would replace the old ones (Artisan table instead of workbench, black forge instead of forge, etc), or at least the newer stations should be able to repair more items.
i agree on inventory space being an issue
The oldest iteration of the cape was fine, the current one is still an upgrade to that. I keep telling people to go mash spacebar bonking their head against a roof for a while if they care that much. The change makes the ashlands capes worth considering unlike before which is good for variety. Honestly, the extra jump height was a bit too much at times.
i like having the option to choose different capes absolutely
you say they nerfed the feather cape because of balancing issue because feather cape + new jump mead would be too op
this wasn't a problem untill they added the new jump mead , so they only added the jump mead to purposly nerf feather cape for no reason
totally. It would be too much I think
@@SpazzyjonesGaming then why even add the jump mead in the first place ? it has no purpose other than for a reason to nerf feather cape , it's not like anyone asked for it or devs wanted to always add ot
@@ender__games5983 They just want to overcomplicate already normal things.. no cool weapons, no two-handed sword from start(like man, bronze two-handed sword), no wooden spear... meh... so much potential for new items, and they just nerf good thing just to add it again...
@@imp_raziel i guess this is there way to add content without actually adding something new
My friends will never make it up the mustland hills now lol
dooomed hah
If everyone liked the cape with jump on it, and the people "pro" removal are actually just okay with moving the jump boost to potions, isn't it logically sound to just leave it on the cape and keep everyone satisfied? The argument of "but making the potion is trivial now" just means the potion isn't a necessary element in the game... Also the "balance" is already established the way it is, so that doesn't seem to be a realistic issue. Additionally, if travelling is already such a hassle that the top comment in all the val dev posts is some random guy asking for a bicycle, perhaps making that issue worse is evidently not the move. A logical fellow wouldn't need consider the issue long.
fair. I tend to lean towards letting the devs achieve their vision. the game is still in early access still and perhaps they have something planned in the future to relieve some of this stuff
@@SpazzyjonesGamingit better be a bicycle
Maybe solution is to allow stack 2-3 times some potions, not all of them?
Or maybe pets with additional inventory 6-10 slots?
yeah would be cool if we had a separate mead pouch or something
Imo people are forgetting that this cape isn't supposed to be the one cape to rule them all, and that it's just an another step in those stairs called progression.
Personally i would be fine if the cape offered nothing but weakness to fire, resistance to cold and the feather falling effect.
Weakness to fire gives incentive to change it as fast as you can when you are going to the next biome, OR a risk to be reckoned with while using it.
Resistance to cold gives QOL of being able to go to previous biome (mountains) without having to search for those cold res meads or old capes.
Feather falling effect is in itself such an op effect that the cape would be worth wearing even in Ashlands.
Valheim isn't a finished game, so buffs and nerfs are expected to come, and imo people shouldn't be so hurt as we don't know if there isn't an even better cape around the corner (hope there is).
totally agree with you!
I'd rather have 20% jump height instead of frost resist
ya you could get the frost resist elsewhere
Just imagine lvl 100 jump + cape bonus + jump mead. You would be able to jump to the moon….
yeah exactly my point. Seems too much
I think that most gamers just hate having something taken away from them.
I trust the dev's and the game is great anyway
agreed. people dislike losing things for sure. I'm with you, I trust the devs
The devs are doing great work, the hare trophy removal is an appropriate response. Overall the game has been balanced well and I trust they will continue.
i agree. The devs have not steered me wrong yet
I haven’t even killed The Elder yet after like 150 hours because I’m just having too much fun living the Viking life. Also I’m scared of trolls smashing my house 🤣.
thats a healthy fear to have
I agree with both statements. But overall I strongly disagree with them removing the jump buff. They already do some questionable at best things and all it takes is a few more of this type of interaction to make my friends not play the game at all anymore.
Also the mistlands is already miserable to travel in removing the cape buff makes it so much worse
fair
people really getting mad at a 20% jump bonus? what do they even need to do that jumping a bit higher is so important to them????
people are very mad haha
Whoever is complaining or even mad about this needs to go outside immediately
touch grass 100%
they should add a 50% jump height bonus imo just makes it fair
oh shit haha
Feather cape is way to broken as it is, splitting the effect into other consumes is great! It makes other capes easier to consider and makes the Mistlands easier to traverse earlier since the mead is probably easier to craft than the cloak.
agred
for the amount of damage you take from fire was a fair trade off and it should keep the jump boost. i dont want to have to worry about yet ANOTHER potion i have to farm for, craft, carry and use. keep the potion by all means, at least itll open up options for people who want to use different equipment
many folks certainly are not a fan of the change
"Unless you're living under a rock"
Nah, I don't care too much about a game that doesn't enfatize performance. If you build something small the game runs like garbage
performance is something that could be addressed, agreed
The first iteration of the cape was the best IMO. I wish I could have that back if anything
a classic. never forget
Seeing as this is not a game based around pvp like rust or ark (ofc servers have it) i dont see why to really nerf anything, the item was more fun, now its less fun which is a negitive for 90% of the people that just play the game
i can appreciate thatt argument
a sad day for feather fall, guess we will have to mod the heck out of it.
there will for sure be a mod
So longs jump high boost, it was fun while it lasted but I’m not wasting another slot for a mead. Bad change at least add the buff to a different clothing item.
they may still revert it. Who knows
@@SpazzyjonesGaming yah it’s not that big of a deal just unnecessary and makes the effect irrelevant.
how long would the meads have to last for you guys to use them? for me, they would have to last as long as my food, maybe then i could drink one before leaving base and have a short adventure, or only carry 1 or 2. the inventory issue is real, i cant justify an inventory slot for 5mins of anything... maybe a town portal lmao
@@maryanchabursky9148 fair
Feather cape is my go to once I get eitr, I think a rebalance of lower jump/stamina height would be nice. I think the frost resist should stay as it makes sense.
On a side note, I always thought the ashen cape should provide a fire resist effect. Maybe the Asksvin cape, but since it's a wind cape I thought a wet status eliminator something similar would be cool too, from the frost resist
I feel the frost resist is repetitive but it makes sense for a cape
good takes my friend. Sign me up for fire resist on ashen
@@SpazzyjonesGaming I do like the look of full fenris and ashen cape and that might have been to much fire resistance if all 4 are used. I'm not fully sure how all the effects work out in game
The only feather cape I remember is the first iteration. Jump height would be nice for mistlands, sure, but since I never had it and managed, getting it from a potion is fine too. _shrug_
That cape at its height (ha!) was OP any ways, especially with the way fire weakness is just overwritten by fire resist, so it's not even that big of a weakness.
If you really don't like it, mod it or try something else. People having a way to coalesce and reach devs has made them entitled. When you bought a CD, you got that game and that was it. I'd expect sometimes devs wish they still lived in that era.
totally agree. only OGs remember haha. The original feather cape made people lose their minds over it! And its still even better today than it was despite the most recent change
I personally hate this. I've been playing through the Ashlands for the first time recently because I've been playing with friends and wanted to play through it blind with them. To say I'm disappointed is an understatement, my three friends hate the biome, and I can't say I'm exactly fond of it either even though my excitement for new content is doing a lot of heavy lifting. The biggest issue is the lag, we have had constant issues with lag when more than one or two of us are in the Ashlands. Which is making it annoying for them and impossible for me since it's just exasperating the latency issues I already had. I've changed the way I play to mostly jumping around to avoid damage while I support the group with the staff of protection (which if you've never experienced with lag, it fucking sucks) and summoning roots when I can. I suspect without the jump height it's going to spend less time airborne and more time trying to jump with my lag issues, and that'll hurt a lot. So I really think I'll have to add this extra tedium of farming hares and making these meads to preparation, as well as carry them in my already cramped inventory. It's not like I can switch capes either because of how necessary the feather fall is to the way I'm playing. So even for a balance change I don't get to see any benefits to it. The only thing that changes is that I'm just wasting some of the limited time we can get together to play on extra prep.
Tldr Ashlands is shit and that's a lot more annoying than this balance change.
my biggest beef with the ashlands is also the performance and my friends are not big fans either
jump test should be next to some sticks to give a better visual. but amazing reporting!
good call. That would have definitely improved it. Thanks for the feedback!
Man devs are obsessed with food to the games detriment. Stamina drain is so unbalanced in this game I'll just add the jump height back with Val+. Inventory space is so bad especially when you need to travel to MIstlands and Ashlands. So I would rather not lose yet another one for yet another food to take
i agree on inventory space
Ok, but do you know when The bog witch is coming to The normal game
thats what i wanna know
Historically patches drop one to two weeks after the PTB. I'm pretty sure they drop on Tuesdays.
@@314159vedic ok
@@314159vedic Few weeks have been but not always. It solely depends on when potential bugs get fixed, so we don't get exact day when it will drop.
I'm not as experienced as other folks, is there actually any reason not to just immediately go over to the PTB and when it fully releases it releases?
that jump height was goated :(
haha
A no fall damage piece of clothing is stupid. it needs to be a slow fall mead.
Wow. Fisaf I d hears of someone complaining about the zero fall damage
this is going to be real annoying since iv built my base accounting for the jump height bonus
might need to change your base
Its always dangerous to take away from players. If you give something you have to make it as perminant as possible but the reality is ballence is the most important thing. Best they can do as devs is not get hung up on it. Take this one on the chin and move forward.
yeah people dont like that. I think it will blow over
anger is not the way of the jedi. Not upset cuz you can stack meads and now the buff works with any gear. They'll get to inventory issue i believe. Iron Gate really cares about valheim and its a smaller team so have patience. Until then we have the modders to thank for making life easy.
Only sith deal in absolutes!
This change doesnt bother me at all. The only thing that will bother me is if the bonemass power got nerfed that would kill me so bad
me neither
I’m working on finishing my 1st play through after rage quitting when the game was pretty much a few weeks old. I’ve just now made it to the mistlands and missed the cape in its previous states so I’m certainly biased, but it seemed broken on paper. 300 hours played and I’m bonkers impressed with how far the game improved since its release. I truly don’t understand the folks saying the devs suck, everything I’ve seen from release to now is significantly better. I FUCKING LOVE VALHEIM.
oh yeah its improved big time since release. What made you rage quit originally?
@@SpazzyjonesGaming I didn’t understand the initial mechanics very well. The game doesn’t offer much guidance I assume by design. Made it to the swamp well away from my base but didn’t understand teleporters yet and died twice after building two seperate boats. Strangely the earlier biomes feel easier than I remember, skill issue or balancing perhaps?
Personally, I dont use the feather cape at all, when navigating steep terrain. I just so happen to be cautios to avoid fall damage.
wow! im impressed you dont use it mush. I guess Ive been more of an asksvin cloak guy since the ashlands
@@SpazzyjonesGaming oh yes, the cloak very neat for its wind speed bonus
@@HueSolaris im a speed demon!
I’m shocked how many morons are defending this. It’s extremely lazy to remove a buff and then slap it on a “new” item when we already have extremely limited inventory spaces.
im fine with the balancing personally
@@SpazzyjonesGaming I'm fine with it as well. I always thought the limited inventory space adds a nice challenge because you have to prepare more wisely for each specific adventure into a particular zone, instead of just grabbing everything at once and and blowing through every situation.
people wouldnt be upset if there were any other good options, the fact that the feather cape outclassed the others by so much is clearly a balance issue. im shocked how nobody noticed that
Feather Cape was a crutch anyway. Jump height buff made it way to OP.
@@andrewmiddlebrook8377 agreed
We need a new feather cape using the Fallen Valkyrie feathers.
that would be cool
At this point, there is no change they can make to this game to make me hate it or stop playing. I'm too much of a fan and have invested too many hours to not see it till the end ... and then some.
YES! totally with you
You actually made the video, that's hilarious dx I have been looking through Reddit recently for Bog Witch update info and this case is really entertaining, apart from bridges dominance
I am not enthusiastic about the change, the jump potion will be nearly always used with the cape because of the unforgiving fall damage. Maybe the jump increase could be moved to lvl 4 cape since apart from Ashen cape there is no point in upgrading them (unless single points of armor and even larger durability is essential for you). This could require some effort to get all those benefits
I really like the idea of unlocking the buff at a higher level. Very interesting. Also, that idea made me think of set bonuses perhaps? Maybe set bonuses are something they could introduce
@@SpazzyjonesGaming From the look of it the feather cape is more of a mage equipment (it also somewhat helps in evasion what is crucial for mages) so maybeee it could get some synergies with Embla/Eitr set? On the other hand, there could be some kind of offensive cape for Mistlands to give players the choice like hare cape that could boost jumping and speed or cape from seekers trophy that could give some more armor than a typical cape (but not more than Ashen cape) and could enable higher jumping on the basis of 'using wings' to assist the jumping through Mistland ATROCIOUS rock formations...
Going to the meads with this buff is... somehow understandable considering the nature of this buff but at the end of the day this potion will end up like the swimming one that is also reasonable in terms of the buff but not in the Valheim playstyle. The only important potions are imo the troll one and the one for running (and maybe berserkir, but it will require more set up to use). I have already caught around 60 Trollfishes to make them to help me with Flametal transport in Ashlands dx
@@danieljaworski7239 you have some excellent ideas man. probs!
@@SpazzyjonesGaming Thank you man! I really appreciate it 😃 Those 520 h of mine are paying off I guess 😅 Valheim is a phenomenal game and I wish it all the best, hoping that 1.0 version will enrich the experience even more and adjust already existing content like making spears more... reasonable dx
If the Jump potion becomes more accessible I suppose it is fine. I have too many hare hides anyhow...
should be pretty accessible now
I don't really mind. People will always complain, the game isn't particularly punishing and smoothing out the power curve is fine in my eyes.
The game is moddable too, though I've never come across such an anti modding community in a moddable game, it's very strange. Most games that stand the test of time that aren't live service do so on the shoulders of the modding community.
I'd still like to see terrain walls patched out somehow and maybe a look at some of the OP kit from earlier. Root harness, Frostner etc
i dont mind either. For sure, moddable, exactly. Id be surprised if there isn't a mod already
Feather Cape fan: 😭👉
Ashlands Capes Enjoyer: 🗿🔥
burst into flame!
No one wants a jump mead.... Leave it as is make a better cape for the ice zone so people have to decide feather or ice cape. Add a ash cape. Stupid meads..
i kind of aggree. I can't see myself using that mead very often
Although I love Valheim, I've learned not to share my thoughts about this game publicly.
wise man
Its a cape of featherfall ...should not even have the jump stamina buff... saving your ass from jumping off a cliff should be enough...
agreed