Palmer SUPREME SOAKER vs Fryette POWER STATION
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- Опубліковано 28 чер 2024
- Checking out the new Palmer Supreme Soaker and how it compares to Fryette Power Station.
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Timecodes:
- Intro: 0:00
- The gear & signal chain: 0:19
- Peavey 5150 no attenuation: 1:37
- Palmer attenuation: 2:48
- Palmer attenuation EQ curves: 8:05
- Palmer reactive load & Line EQ: 11:54
- Fryette - Van Halen 5150: 18:24
- Palmer - Van Halen 5150: 20:07
- Conclusion: 21:43
#palmer #fryette #attenuator
Fryette all day. No noticeable tone loss and a constant volume sweep. I gig with one and a Marshall SV20. I crank the loudness for distortion and use the Fryette to get the perfect stage volume.
I just played my first gig with an SV20 and the Power Station last weekend. Extremely happy with those results
Exactly 👌.
same, but with a 2525H. The DI out is great to have too, as is the selectable attenuation. And the effects loop for awesome amps that dont have one like an orange AD30. But you nailed it, being able to use the master to get the amp sound you want and then using then PS to manage stage volume and boost the smaller signal...invaluable
Can anybody tell where in hell I can buy a Fryette power station ? The one and only one I can find on Reverb isn’t the same as the one you’re using here.
@@anthonymichael3029 There is one at Vintage King for sale and one on reverb right now. Search Fryette ps100.
A good honest review. The best thing about your reviews and demos is that your face tells the whole story, without needing any comments! Always respectful to the companies too, stating it is just your opinion of how it works for you. Keep on rocking!
Hi Euge! I appreciate your time to make this video! I was frustrated with the Palmer just watching you trying to dial in a good tone.I can’t believe how it killed the dynamics of your 5150! I appreciate the work you put in changing these attenuators back and forth, a lot of work to show what these units do.
Thanks man!
Your YT channel has become one of my favorites. Keep them coming!
Glad to hear! Thanks!
Incredible review. Thanks a lot for being honest, to the point and transparent about your opinion. You rarely find honest YT channels when it comes to gear reviews, so please for the sake of music itself never change! We need people like you on YT, cheers!
Agreed! He's the real deal dude 🤝🏻
I appreciate that! Thanks!
Just picked up a Fryette. Absolutely amazing.
It is 👌.
Thanks for another great clip. I was sceptical about the Palmer before I saw this and you confirmed it. I'm already looking forward to the next video from you
Glad to hear! Thanks!
Many thanks for testing this out for us! Happy with my 2x PS-100 and excited to see and hear what new products Fryette is going to bring out this year.
My pleasure 😎. Cool!
Tried all of them, Fryette by miles the best and makes a Quad Cortex or a UAFX Lion sound awesome through a 4x12 using its power amp section. So good, I bought 2!
So you're the reason they're out of stock everywhere!
Same and I came to the same conclusion. Obviously 😎.
Excellent job!
Thanks!
I'd choose Fryette over any other attenuator. I have 3 Ps-2a and I'm waiting for the new powerstation, which should handle several amps. It should be out in 2024 (I have my sources at Fryette).
Is that why it seems like the market has completely dried up of PS100s?
@@evitative462 Yes, that's only part of the answer. All Powerstations have to pass through Steven's hands, because only he knows certain parts of the schematics and keeps them secret. And Steven is currently working on the new deliverance with bluetooth footswitch and on the reissue of the 2150 80’s Poweramp => the 3U used my Mick Mars, kirk Hammet, Kerry king…
👌. Oh cool!
I'm considering buying a ps100. What exactly will the new one do and how much?
Very nice
awesome review, thanks man.
Thanks!
Fryette Power Station is an incredible device!
Yes.
Love your channel and I love my Fryette PS2!
Glad to hear! Thanks!
My first “nice” attenuator was a Riviera Rock Crusher recording (which also has “steps” instead of a sweep control) and it was a similar issue. It was hard to find the sweet spot for attenuation and it killed the dynamics. I bought a PS100 and it was a revelation. Never going back.
👌🎶💪
Fryette + KHE ACS is a match made in heaven. Warning: This combo will make you buy more amps!
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Fryette wins definitely. Sound much clearer.
Yes.
I appreciate your honesty! I can't recall ever hearing an analog speaker filter (outside of real speakers and microphones) that actually sounds good to my ears. I can see the appeal of having a device that could, but a cabinet with microphones will always be king for the best sound.
I only know of one. The ADA Ampulator. I have this unit. Vintage now. It is all analog power amp and speaker simulator. I used it with JMP-1, ADA MP-1 and Mesa preamps for bass. Just came to mind because I’m getting some of my old rack gear out. I’m fed up with VSTs. :-)
The first couple of Filter records are a Mesa Boogie TriAxis guitar preamp into an Ampulator to the console.
@@lostinpa-dadenduro7555 I am not familiar with that unit. I can however agree with you about VSTs and plugins. Just like apps, there are too many.
I’m still using Palmer PDi 09 for gigs. They sound a bit sharp and dead in the studio, but through a big PA and a bit of eq they sound great . They really cut through the mix. A lot of pro sound guys still using them along side mics.
@@Dan_Ranger That’s a good point. I don’t think the ADA would be good live, but I’ve heard of plenty of big name players using Palmer for years in their live rigs.
Thanks. Me neither. Yep👌🎼.
On the Palmer, wouldn't the Speaker tone be the internal IR that you would send to a line in to your DAW? Sounded like it was doubling speakers on the last few since you are already micing your cab. Totally could be wrong about that but that's what it sounded like to me
Euge, have you ever used the Two Notes Captor X? If you have what are your thoughts on it versus some similar loadbox/attenuators?
Can’t remember 😎.
The Power Station is awesome. Whether you’re attenuating a cab or using an tube amp with an impulse response in your DAW, that thing has gotta be one of the most handy tools for recording guitar as a home studio musician. Great video. Cheers!
Indeed. Thanks!
Euge ! Could you pls do a comparison or Video about the fryettes Loadbox quality? 🫡
It’s awesome and the only one I have so…😎
I use torpedo captor (constant attenuator -20db) and I am happy with that. Have you tested this attenuator? I wonder what do you think about it.
I Tested it and i own Both, the two notes gives a high sizzle on top when using the -20 dB , its ok but it color the real Sound
Years ago so my memory is a bit vague but I think the person who already commented said it well.
Have to say I’m a bit disappointed in the Palmer. I think the market really could use more competition in the “attenuators that work great and sound great” department. I have the TAE and love it, and won’t be parting with it any time soon. The effects sound great and for recording I think it sounds awesome at the desk. Might get the Power Station too just because while the amp on the TAE can get as loud as my tube heads usually do by themselves, but the dynamics aren’t there when it’s that loud. It’s a bit too flat in the response and feel. That’s where the Power Station really has the edge being a tube power amp that you’re using to push your cabinet with, post attenuation.
Me too. And yes Power Station is awesome.
Hey Euge! I remember you had a Bugera PowerSoak PS1 before, how does the Palmer compares to that in terms of darkening the tone?
I think I just did a video about that and that was probably some years ago and I don’t remember anymore.
Ah, got it! Thanks, I will check it out!
hey Euge! do you notice any humming or noise when the power station is turned on? I feel like my unit is loud even on standby. I had it checked by an amp-tech, but he told me there's nothing wrong with the attenuator itself.
Yeah the usual tube amp humming. It’s totally normal and when I start to play it’s inaudible. My old 800s are waayyyy noisier but that’s part of the charm/sound 😎.
I am a little bit confused about the Fryette. It is not a speaker attenuator, it is a load box basically re-amping (and re-toning) a D.I. Signal?
Interesting that Palmer didn’t focus on making the attenuator transparent even though we can see (hear), with the speaker tone knob, that they have the engineering capability of doing so.
Or should have the engineering capability.
It’s a speaker attenuator, load box and tube power amp and it’s awesome.
Yes, Fryette nailed it, I would rather call it a attenuator simulator, simulating the perfect attenuator. Then again, if it sounds right it is right. Thanks for your awesome videos and playing and learning me a lot.
Have you tried the toneking ironman?
Yes.
@@EugeValovirta230V Fryette better?
Define better 😎. Anyways I like it more.
Would you still use this on an amp with a master volume?
Sure, because that way you could still push the power section of the amp but bring the volume down with an attenuator
@WalkerMasuda that makes sense, but aren't master volumes on some amps placed after the power amp sections? So you can crank individual volumes for the preamp and poweramp and then bring the whole thing down with the master before it hits the cab? For those amps, I wonder if these reactive load attenuators would be necessary
@@allboutthemojo As I understand it, by definition, any sort of volume after the power section would be an attenuator. And sure, a few amp designs do have built-in attenuators. I would say that an understanding of where the volume reduction is happening in the signal chain is the important thing so that you know how it's impacting your tone (:
I guess I should say that there are multiple ways to reduce volume both before and after the power section. Learning how they affect tone is the important bit.
@WalkerMasuda I would only want to do it one way and that's after both pre and power amps are cooking to produce the full potential of their tone
I don't understand why you keep raising the volume on the amp every time you hit the attenuation knob on the Palmer. The whole point of the Palmer is to get the amp to the sweet spot and then reduce the loudness by using the Palmer attenuator.
Level matching so me and the people who watch this could hear how it actually sounds without beeing fooled by increased or decreased loudness levels ’cos louder always sounds better to human ears; to hear what the increased attenuation does to the sound without beeing fooled by increased or decreased loudness level.
Yeah that Palmer thing was terrible sounding. Maybe if they changed the “Helsinki” setting name to Lauttasaari and doubled the price it would sound better 😅 I use Hot Plates. They’re good enough for me.
Supreme Soaker wins on name alone.
Palmer is still resting on their previous success. Analog speaker sim, underwhelming reactive load, all very 20 years ago. It was fine for the time but IR technology is leaps ahead of analog and often now is much better than a mic'd cab both live and in the studio (depending on time and available equipment). MESA learnt this the hard way with their overpriced, bad sounding cabclone, which they fixed by adding IRs. Even amp companies are implementing Two Notes, St Rock and other tech instead of analog cab sims.
Awesome comparison like always 😊. Have you ever tried the Tone King Ironman ii attenuator? if not, then try it. I'm sure you'll like it more than fryette power station
Thanks! Yes and there’s a reason why I have the Fryette 😎.
Straight! maybe i need to try the fryette again😂 it was a long time ago. maybe i missed something about the fryette! both great companies