the idol who challenged society:sulli

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  • @anoniimiss
    @anoniimiss 3 місяці тому +331

    thank you for posting about sulli and hara. there's a reason they're iconic and it's not just because of their visuals, but the things they did for women (or to help them).

  • @wizzardiishlex
    @wizzardiishlex 3 місяці тому +176

    sulli didn't only change the kpop industry, but she also changed the world

  • @finnlinnsone
    @finnlinnsone 3 місяці тому +148

    it's crazy, i remember all of this like it was yesterday. k-pop stans hated her, but women in korea who weren't into idol culture celebrated her. even K-MeU's were horrible to her for a while after she left f(x). feminism was making waves on the internet in all corners of the world, and women were crucified for it.
    as someone who has been a huge fan of her since debut it's hard seeing countless young k-pop stans sensationalize Sulli's death. Jinri was so much more than what she suffered. she was a huge role model and a big reason why i decided to go into political science and became interested in gender equality studies. rest in power, Jinri. you deserved so much more.

  • @mari-bc1fc
    @mari-bc1fc 3 місяці тому +54

    When I heard you say she passed at 25 it really reminded me how young she was and going through all the hate. Sulli was only one year older than me but now I'm almost 30 and she's forever 25.
    I wish the world had been better to Sulli.

    • @all-kulture
      @all-kulture  3 місяці тому +10

      i had also forgotten she was only 25 😢

    • @Cholmes-lf5kd
      @Cholmes-lf5kd 2 місяці тому +2

      “Forever 25” this almost made me cry.🥹

  • @foreverglowluv
    @foreverglowluv 3 місяці тому +62

    This was such a hard documentary to watch, i honestly feel so shattered and that feeling of helplessness is hitting so hard.

  • @Chuu_Vault
    @Chuu_Vault 3 місяці тому +125

    Just a message from my person: Sulli.... i'm sorry and i miss you. You'll always be one of the brighest Stars that Kpop has had

  • @NixV0822
    @NixV0822 3 місяці тому +48

    I still remember when the news broke that Sulli (R.I.P.) took her own life; I was inconsolable for 4 days. I had never cried for any one’s death, celebrity or family, prior to her, that was a truly sad day/week.
    I continue to miss Sulli, may her soul rest in peace ❤

  • @saturnshye
    @saturnshye 3 місяці тому +82

    sulli and hara deserved so much better. i'll never forget them ❤

  • @christianlamar_
    @christianlamar_ Місяць тому +9

    This is something I will never forgive netizens for. They are responsible for this young, beautiful, and talented woman’s death. I don’t care what anyone else thinks. This girl didn’t bother anyone. She was never in any trouble. None of that behavior was warranted

  • @solidsnake1736
    @solidsnake1736 28 днів тому +8

    I dont want to hear anything about mental health ever again, from korean netizens and international kpop fans alike. This year has been one of the worst years in kpop in terms of groups, especially girl groups getting massive hate trains, fanwars, harassment, gaslighting and mistreatments. Im not even going to mention them since theres so many that have been affected. No one will ever learn.
    With that said, sulli never did anything wrong and never once deserved not even an ounce of what she faced. When she died I literally went crazy for months. I'm over it now, but of course I still miss her tremendously.

  • @hyejune12
    @hyejune12 3 місяці тому +65

    sulli will not be forgotten ❤️

  • @suminxa
    @suminxa 3 місяці тому +97

    such a depressing experience for sulli. the fact that idols are still getting hate to this day still hurts me. i hope other kpop stans who r currently criticising other idols stop before it actually damages the artist. once again thank you all-kulture for making a video. some people are mad and want sulli to rest, and as yes she should, thank you for giving new kpop stans this story and awareness so that they know that before they hate someone they should rethink and wonder "why are we hating in the first place and how will this idol take that hate".

    • @vixxexo6855
      @vixxexo6855 3 місяці тому +4

      We don’t really know why Sulli took that decision. That she did it because of online hate is just a theory. Also most of the criticism kpop idols face is because of their lack of skills. If you don’t have the skills to be an idol, then just find another job. Remember that Sulli also had a terrible boyfriend who was way older then her and Sulli just turned 18.

    • @suminxa
      @suminxa 3 місяці тому +7

      @@vixxexo6855 it’s not just lack of skills. have you seen the hate idols have been getting? it’s not just about how they perform the moment a female kpop idol is next to a male is the moment where fans will get violent and start getting aggressive towards female idols. or when they get called a “pick me” for doing nothing and then lowers there self esteem. it’s disgusting that you just calmly say “there not good enough for the job”. yeah if i went through a breakup and then the media starts talking about how I am pregnant of my hiatus, yeah that would hurt me personally. and also sulli did not just die of “hate” no one knows the real reason. it’s just i remember the load of hate she was getting and it was so sad. so whether or not she died because of it, it’s still going to this day, and maybe it didn’t affect her death but it can affect others.

    • @Hhhyyookii2233
      @Hhhyyookii2233 3 місяці тому +7

      @@vixxexo6855 no idols get harassed for every little thing they do for example , V for posting a McDonald’s photo from 2 years ago, Karina for dating , Somi for drinking Starbucks , Jeongyeon for gaining weight despite her having a illness , Aespa in their debut era for being 4 members like blackpink , Jennie for being in “the idol” , Wonyoung for eating a strawberry , also her for eating pizza , Rami and Chiquita for imitating Rosé and Lisa , Minnie for wearing Thai traditional clothes which apparently is coping Lisa despite both being Thai , Shuhua for going outside during her hiatus, Tzuyu for waiving her country flag etc.
      It seems like you didn’t see the video fully cuz you would know Sulli was hated for don’t wearing a bra!

    • @naomiswrld4566
      @naomiswrld4566 3 місяці тому +10

      @@vixxexo6855 im sorry but just because an idol might not be skilled enough does not mean they deserve d3ath threats and hateful messages....

    • @TheAnonymousuchiha1225
      @TheAnonymousuchiha1225 3 місяці тому +6

      @@vixxexo6855 it may not have been the main contributor but definitely one of the reasons. She has had multiple interviews practically begging people to stop with their conspiracies and hate when they don’t even know her as a person.
      And for idols who aren't as talented, you can criticise them in a constructive manner, not hate them like they’ve burned an orphanage or something. And that's what happens… the bandwagon of mindless cattle mooring the same morphed sentiment of hate takes it too far stampeding everything that idol has worked for.
      People improve and people deteriorate too during their careers. The idea is to show the idols some grace. You don’t need to baby or defend every breath they take and you also don’t need to go behind everyone and everything they've worked for and upon.
      It’s not edgy or cool to hate people or spread negative sentiments regarding people you barely know (Exceptions being the ones who are confirmed involved in crimes). Unless they've personally wronged you, no one deserves the unleashing of people’s wrath. And just singing bad or not dancing well enough isn't enough reason to receive years-long hate trains. If you don't like their content, just don't engage with it. If you can't control your anger, go to a therapist.
      People talk about mental health all the time while dehumanizing people who appear to us on the internet since our primitive brains can't comprehend them to be human too.

  • @bastetowl3258
    @bastetowl3258 3 місяці тому +45

    the industry promotes unhealthy diets and body image in general, so i wouldn’t say she started becoming obsessed with her weight because of just that one guy. it was def a combination of different things she heard. also it’s literally impossible to lose weight in certain areas while keeping weight in the others. every person’s body is different. that guy was delusional.
    edit: i also think it didn’t help that SM gave her the cutesy little sister image. the public wanted her to act innocent forever to maintain that image even though she was getting older and becoming an adult. she didn’t deserve all that bullying. society is so much less forgiving to female idols

    • @Yointrovert
      @Yointrovert 16 днів тому +2

      Actually, the thing is that she got bodyshamed from f(x) debut. It also did not help that she used to get baggy outfits(she looked cute in them), which some thought she looked big.That stupid guy calling her fat was probably a last straw for her since she started losing weight in an extreme manner. I feel like she never got proper support from her childhood since her mom pushed her a lot.Also, Sm should really stop creating the image thing with their idols.

  • @toyland12
    @toyland12 3 місяці тому +14

    That was a really well made and respectful video on Sulli's tragic career. I don't think anyone could survive the kind of hate she got and for really doing nothing wrong.

  • @PinkySoda
    @PinkySoda 2 місяці тому +20

    The fact that the same people who criticized her felt sorry after she passed makes me so mad. People are so flippant about what they say to people without ever realizing how much they could be hurting someone and it pisses me off. I just wish people were kinder. Even though I found F(x) after all of this happened the group and especially Sulli’s legacy is something I wish more people talked about. They influenced both the industry and the general public so much. I love F(x)

    • @Yointrovert
      @Yointrovert 16 днів тому +2

      The netizens are extremely hypocritical. f(x) and Sulli deserved better.

  • @DpXX9
    @DpXX9 3 місяці тому +30

    A sensitive take on a lost talent.
    As usual, nicely done all-k.

  • @Saltysaltire97
    @Saltysaltire97 3 місяці тому +31

    I remember when the news came out after Sulli's passing. She was so young and such a light. It was awful the online and public hate she received. ❤

  • @User-gftfbiu3454
    @User-gftfbiu3454 3 місяці тому +15

    I absolutely adore sulli our giant baby. She is the archetype for many idols currently. Seeing them and the idols pushing boundaries thrive makes me happy. She definitely made a difference. She was failed by sm and the entertainment industry though. I’ve seen companies be more proactive with giving their talent counseling but there’s still a lot of exploitation.

  • @phannectionsextremetierexe
    @phannectionsextremetierexe 2 місяці тому +6

    Sulli is really cool. Lyricism is something vastly important to me and the fact that I can bring up a Sulli title to my psychiatrist and use her work to give a more solid explanation of what I'm experiencing is just wonderful. I'll never understand how some celebrities or influencers can think "using your platform" is stupid or not their responsibility- Sulli did it. She and I aren't even from the same country and there are differences in the issues with our healthcare systems, yet, Sulli still talked about it. Sang about it, filmed about it.
    edit: spelling

  • @Cher7y
    @Cher7y 3 місяці тому +8

    I wished SM did more to protect Sulli. we miss you sulli

  • @seraphinexo
    @seraphinexo 3 місяці тому +29

    This video is a masterpiece, full of respect and love. Thankyou so much for making it, ill miss Sulli till the day ill no longer breath. Thankyou, thankyou so much 🤍

  • @sientense
    @sientense 2 місяці тому +3

    I still remember that day... when the news were out. All kpop-themed pages in my country stopped posting, people were collecting money, so that fans who were at that moment in South Korea could bring flowers to Sulli's memorials. It was truly the dark day for the whole community.
    Rest in peace, our angel Sulli 🕊️

  • @plumgf
    @plumgf 3 місяці тому +11

    thank you for sharing sulli’s story. this video made me really emotional even though this year will be 5 years since her passing. i still remember the day i woke up and saw the news getting ready for school. it’s so sad and disgusting the way constantly treated her so badly like she deserved it or had to accept it because she was a public figure. i feel like people commented on her career and her life so often that it led her to question if she even knew who she was as a person outside of being a celebrity. it just really hurts my heart that the culmination of all the suffering she went through is that she’s no longer with us. she brought me so much joy when i first learned about fx and i wish that could’ve been returned to her. instead people treated her like trash constantly and had the nerve to switch up after she took her own life. i’m very sorry to her even though i had no idea any of this was happening at the time. she was a beautiful woman and soul, and i hope wherever she is now, she is experiencing true love, happiness, and comfort. rest in peace jinri.

  • @LLA-lr8kw
    @LLA-lr8kw 3 місяці тому +20

    As a f(x) fan all f(x) members are rebels and true to themself. That's why I love them. "A head of their time"

  • @abc_jv_xyz
    @abc_jv_xyz 3 місяці тому +40

    2:34 she had potential, wish sm had properly trained her

    • @luv9547
      @luv9547 3 місяці тому +12

      My exact thought, she had pretty vocals but sm wasted her on silly little raps with little to no vocal parts which is so bitter😭 she sounds beautiful

    • @Yointrovert
      @Yointrovert 16 днів тому +1

      She kind of sounds like Perrie Edward.

  • @AUGHHHHHBBG
    @AUGHHHHHBBG 3 місяці тому +12

    It’s crazy this came out when I recently was talking about Sulli.
    I didn’t get to know the star sulli. I’m sorry you got done dirty girl

  • @soomi
    @soomi 3 місяці тому +13

    Thank you for this video. I love and miss Sulli dearly. I hope more and laws are set up, so that idols or women never have to feel unsafe again anymore. She has made a huge impact and change and we are forever thankful. I hope her soul is in peace now.

  • @moonymybeloved
    @moonymybeloved 3 місяці тому +6

    bawled my eyes out watching this omg :( thank you for making this it’s a lovely tribute :(
    it’s so depressing though watch the cycle repeat itself though even in the newer gens like when will y’all stop needlessly hating on idols for the most minor thing 😭😭😭

  • @Ellies_edits
    @Ellies_edits 3 місяці тому +4

    I hate how I feel looking at all the videos and photos of her and remembering she was dead. Rip❤

  • @Briarpatchlogic
    @Briarpatchlogic 3 місяці тому +5

    I just watched Punch Lady yesterday...Sulli was excellent in it. She was a great actress and I miss her so much

  • @dolliemollly
    @dolliemollly 3 місяці тому +7

    "needed someone like her" didnt want another company to use her and get rich

  • @ilubyou13
    @ilubyou13 3 місяці тому +6

    12:39 see? I’m sick of these cyber bullies that think they can just spread misinformation and think they can get away with it. All you did was a say sorry and got off easy because Sulli was so pure hearted. 😢

  • @Pookasoul
    @Pookasoul 2 місяці тому +7

    And the fact that people can cry about this, but then the next second Go on spitting hate at other Idols, under the guise of "personal opinion", which is exactly what drove Sulli to her tragic death, is what bothers me most. The hypocrisy. The worst part, is that despite her now, when it's too late, being celebrated as a hero, nothing really changed in the way Fans think their are entitled to harrass and bully celebrities, specially in the Kpop community. The Sulli Act was suggested and highly talked about, but once the waters cooled and the situation calmed down, just thrown under the rug to be forgotten. Nothing is being done against cyberbullying.

  • @zacharikurbah6358
    @zacharikurbah6358 3 місяці тому +4

    She was such an amazing artist, I really miss her both in f(x) and as a solo artist

  • @mockingbird6151
    @mockingbird6151 14 днів тому

    She was beautiful.
    Hope she is in peace. ❤🙏🏻

  • @_mon_tego
    @_mon_tego 3 місяці тому +8

    Thank you so much for this video. Thankfully she made a lot of content and positive impacts that we can look back on even if she’s no longer with us

  • @faniiiiiiiiiii
    @faniiiiiiiiiii 7 днів тому

    she really was such a special person and it's a shame she's only remembered for her death and barely for her huge talent and impact in the industry. i think about her a lot and hope she's at peace wherever she might be

  • @morfosi
    @morfosi 16 днів тому

    thank you for this video. i think about her every single day. she taught me so much about feminism, and about being myself. i wish she knew how many people like me looked up to her and really appreciated the things she thought and said

  • @SofondaCox69
    @SofondaCox69 3 місяці тому +4

    RIP Hara and Sulli 💜💜

  • @charcoalblanc
    @charcoalblanc 11 днів тому

    This was extremely well done. Thank you.

  • @kazuhasgloves
    @kazuhasgloves 3 місяці тому +9

    Thanks for uploading this on the eve of my birthday. I appreciate it. 🥳

  • @davestridr
    @davestridr 3 місяці тому +3

    i love her so much

  • @jameskylebarretto6687
    @jameskylebarretto6687 Місяць тому

    The reason why I love her.

  • @kpopperontheloose2292
    @kpopperontheloose2292 3 місяці тому

    We miss you Sulli & Hara. I know you are both dancing amongst the stars in a better place. Mental health needs to be taken more serious for all idols. It's not easy being an enigma in this world pushing boundaries.

  • @minjikae
    @minjikae 3 місяці тому +4

    Aaah, thank you so much for this video 🥹🥹❤️
    Nossa Jinri nunca vai ser esquecida 💖

  • @dianexoxo8
    @dianexoxo8 2 місяці тому +3

    She did not deserved all of this...

  • @wolfjamba20
    @wolfjamba20 29 днів тому +2

    And do people learn??? Ofc not, they just bullied a member out of his group yesterday

  • @abc_jv_xyz
    @abc_jv_xyz 3 місяці тому +9

    3:24 they became trainees around the same time didn't they? tae and tiff were the last members of snsd to join the company

    • @all-kulture
      @all-kulture  3 місяці тому +5

      taeyeon and tiffany started training prior to sulli,she was only an actress at first so i assume they trained all together for approximately 2 years or less

  • @OMeToHer
    @OMeToHer 2 місяці тому

    I'm very thankful of being her fan since I was 12 cause that let me understand many things abt feminism that couldn't learn on whose that where around me

  • @matteoaidala3409
    @matteoaidala3409 3 місяці тому +1

    CIAO SULLI 😢

  • @AizenEnvy
    @AizenEnvy 29 днів тому +1

    Note her name isn't pronounced like Soo-lee, but more like how you'd say Sullivan.

  • @Briarpatchlogic
    @Briarpatchlogic 3 місяці тому +5

    It just occurred to me...do you think it would be inappropriate to lobby SME to re-issue Sulli's photobook? I don't believe that book was heavily promoted when it came out and if you find a copy, it's astronomically expensive. A new printing would allow people to obtain a copy that missed it upon release. Just a thought.

    • @all-kulture
      @all-kulture  3 місяці тому +3

      i think it would be nice if they donated the money that they earn from it

  • @seriousleh
    @seriousleh Місяць тому

  • @xlalalu
    @xlalalu 3 місяці тому +1

    🩷🩷🩷

  • @abc_jv_xyz
    @abc_jv_xyz 3 місяці тому +6

    21:10 oh, i never heard of this relationship, is he a movie or drama director?

    • @all-kulture
      @all-kulture  3 місяці тому +2

      not sure,he doesn’t have a lot of info available online

    • @abc_jv_xyz
      @abc_jv_xyz 3 місяці тому +1

      @@all-kulture okay then, he didn't want to be a public figure so i guess that was for the best

  • @wrldtrvlr4vr
    @wrldtrvlr4vr 3 місяці тому +7

    Sulli could've avoided a lot of hate if she had stayed off social media. It's so toxic.

    • @hotsexyangel
      @hotsexyangel 3 місяці тому +4

      Don’t victim blame. Instead of saying what she could’ve done, hold mean people accountable for their harassment. She’s a victim and they’re the perpetrators. Don’t blame this on her.
      And besides, we live in the 21st century, what human isn’t gonna go on social media?

  • @cinester789
    @cinester789 Місяць тому

    what happened to your videos??

  • @Cuponoodles
    @Cuponoodles 3 місяці тому +32

    how hate can become a hobby i will never understand. i was only a casual kpop fan at the time of Sulli's passing but my best friend was a huge fan and this event devastated her. As someone who was bullied all throughout school, I was also deeply shaken. May Sulli rest in peace!

    • @all-kulture
      @all-kulture  3 місяці тому +6

      i’m so sorry you had to experience that..sending you lots of love 🤍

    • @JBeechem
      @JBeechem 3 місяці тому +1

      What makes me think is that all this hate for her and
      GOO HARA was so ridiculous all the fans could’ve did was just leave all idols alone and mind their own business
      Fans need to know their place which the idols are humans and not products and fans are supporters nothing more and nothing less

    • @norabeckwith6893
      @norabeckwith6893 3 місяці тому

      ​@@JBeechemwell y'all doing the same crap to Hyuna I hope y'all happy

    • @JBeechem
      @JBeechem 3 місяці тому

      @@norabeckwith6893 yeah this has gotten out of hand all idols should feel protected and safe no matter what happens

  • @Likelyfairy
    @Likelyfairy 3 місяці тому +8

    Not sure if I’ll be able to watch without getting too emotional 🥲 but I’m so glad you made this video ❤ FX was my first girl group I loved

  • @cucumber-9
    @cucumber-9 2 дні тому

    I grew up with her🤍fx was one of my first groups back in like 2012 and she along with krystal were my girls ! Both her and jonghyun showed to the world what happens when you suppress true artistic and sensitive souls under closed minds and mean spirits. Every year i try to offer small moments of my time to their memory🪷 aries bbs, hope theyre resting easy