There's something Zen like about the shaper. With a well made shaping bar and cutter, the machine is not struggling to make it's cuts. It gets the work done peacefully.
Your contributions to This Old Tony Vids are hysterical. You have the best mean sneer in the business. Thanks for your great vids and thanks for adding humor to Tony's.
I was watching a video the other day and the guy has a mini shaper. Just a baby table top sort of deal. Thought of you right away. Thinking Abom should see this machine. It was so cute. I think the total push stroke was about 16-18 inches.
Adam, it's because of machinists like you, and TOT, that have inspired me to fundamentally change how I do any metal work. No longer do I reach for the sledge hammer first, now my first choice of equipment is a measuring device. Using thought before action has saved me so much time in the long run.
Adam, I would like to share with you how we do our keys with our home made hydraulic vertical broach. First, the shape is a dovetail shape. Sides become vertical automatically at each cut. Second, we have made the tools in a way that they are always facing orthogonal to the cut direction. In this way when we broach an hole, we carefully look at the very first scratches the tool made. They must appear in the same time, in the number of two and they must be of the same size/width. If the tool scratch on his left only...you are not in the middle. It's geometry. Hope to have been helpful!
Day job is going to start giving you more homework at this rate. An idea to consider: A small V groove added (with a 3 corner file) to your tool bit slot, just enough to allow cutting oil to run with some control, from the top, and mill a little pocket (recess, half circle) that would always be on the vertical"top end" of the tool slot. The V groove should help direct the oil down the forward side of the tool bit (what would be on top if it was in a lathe) to help insure that the cutting edge has oil on it during the cut cycle. On the return stroke, oil will get laid down on the work right where the action is. The pocket is an oil reserve, and gives you a slightly larger target for the tip of the oil can when more oil is needed. Better targeted oiling and reduce the chances of fingers or oil can tips getting in foul with the tool bit.
this one took a while to really come to me, I think it started on seeing the broaching of the longer bar. The spots that were still slightly rounded after the broaching made me think that they would be good for allowing oil through from the top and keep it on the tool bit, where the pressure is.
People speak about the talented hands of a surgeon, I think the hands of the machinist are much more trained and able to do so much more. The machinist is deserving of the same reward of the surgeon
I hear You but in all honesty the responsebility between the cant be compared. Do You want to do open heart surgery on someones child. No sir not for me. But my respect for the machinest is second to none. Absolutely love their work.
adam.. keep an eye on the scrap bin at work. you have a shaper.. find a big piece of material and make your own new V blocks on the shaper. then cut the big second in half, 3 or more sections and face those off.
I think I saw a Vee Block embedded it that piece of stock you were cutting your test slots in. Great job again Adam, thanks for making our weekends so much better!
Great to see the old lathes still working and doing the job. Shows what taking care of your equipment is all about. I imagine that's you and your grandfather and your dad in the opening shots. Nice to see you carrying on with what they taught you. The broaching tool proves that you can put a square peg in a round hole. Nice videos.
Soooo cool to use your own handmade tools. Love it ! The 6 jaw should be standard with all lathes. Love it for sure and that new bar. Well done fella !
Such an inspiration to this humble home machinist. AND... looking damn fine in those coveralls man! Outstanding effort changing your body for your future.
Enjoyed that, nice to see the tool bit grinds are similar to where ended up earlier this year with my internal bar set up. Thanks for sharing. All the best Mat
I would appreciate a video on how you clock the tool bit in your boring bar so that the sidewalls of the key-ways cut with it, are square to the bore. As a retired 45 year machinist, I know how you did it, just would like other people to know what it takes to get the job done correctly. Also remember having one of those Cleveland drill indexes on my bench years ago, and thinking nothing of it, left it at a shop after getting a new Hout index. Wish I would have kept it.
If you have a pair of nuts; they should match, otherwise something is really wrong. Nuts should absolutely be a matching pair! Thank you, Adam, for sharing such amazing work with us!
Don't think I've commented on your videos before but just want to say I love your content, I've recommended you to a lot of machinists I know and there obsessed with you haha keep it up!
Adam, I wish I knew what you have forgotten sir! The previous video of sharpening that drill bit. I would rather have your sharpened drill bits than factory grinds. I like those Cle-Line drill bits. Now to talk the Wifey into letting me get them. That new bar is beautiful. But why on earth would you want to use that hideous shaper? BECAUSE YOU CAN! I like that shaper. Keep the shaper vijaos coming! They are really nice to watch something get squared up. Those big parallels is one of my favorite.
Get your buddy at Windy Hill Foundry to cast a couple of v-blocks, using your grandad's v-blocks to build the mold. Then you can machine them to your specs.
Thanks for the warm wishes to everyone that was at mr.petes meet and greet. Would have been cool if you could have made it but we understood you could not be there
I must say I love watching these videos. I did wonder though, when you were talking about the V-blocks in the press, whether you could have used one on top of the work when you were starting the broach to get the flats of the broach at right angles to the work rather than having to engrave the square shape in the mill and line it up by eye?
I'm watching your video about the new shaper bars. I see you picking up the oil can many many times. I then thought Why you couldn't get some sort of automatic oiler that shoots a squirt of oil each time it retracts? Could run off each machine cycle. Would save you the effort of having to pick up the can constantly. Just an idea.
Do you ever have trouble with the bar rotating in it's holder in the machine? As though the nut comes loose from vibration? How does it have a positive true lock, or is it best to be movable, for slightly different applications?
Another great video, it seems that you get better with each new video. Just throwing in my point of view, I think that modifying the V-Block as you suggested is definitely one of your better Ideas. It is so good, you should think about a patent. Be well and prosper!
Damn, Adam man..... you just made be buy a shaper! You tell my missus why I need one! I have to watch all your shaper vids again now! The machine I bought is about half the size of your one, but nevertheless.... She told me, I could have a shaper if you explained that men just need shapers...don't make me a liar Adam... after getting that machine (got two milling machines in the same process) I haven't the money anymore for a divorce lawyer LOL Paddy
I spent the better part of my life hooking the IT bits to the mechanical bits of CNC equipment. From the more modern machines to the retro fitting of the early Fanuc controls. That stuff gets old real fast. It's great for production, don't get me wrong, and it has its beauty.... but no thanks... Add to that, that working in CAD is mind-numbingly, yes terminally boring.... and I even look with high suspicions at my 3D printer ! Paddy
Thank you Adam, another great job, I love watching the sheer power and accuracy of the shaper, you have done a great job of restoring it, the makers would be proud to see the shaper back in use. The six jaw chuck is cool too. I hail from Christchurch, Southern UK - please keep 'em coming!
To keep round stock from sliding back in jaws, if you have enough stock turn a smaller diameter on one end,or a step,making sure you have enough stock going back in jaws for adequate chucking,stock will butt up against face of jaws,no more pushback
I would like to see a dial indicator mounted on the sliding head of the shaper that is measuring the position of the bar -- just to see if there is any flex in that bar as it cuts. I can't imagine that it would.
Wait what? Did you just make an off-joke? OMG, is the Abom Facade finally cracking open? WTH, was Ave over in your shop today? LOL And in this vein, Adam, may I say what a stunningly large, fine pair of nuts you have!!! Going even further, had I a pair of nuts like that, I wouldn't even know what to do with them, or where to keep them! OK, Enough, I'm gonna go watch the video now and shut up.... LOL
why did I have you doing that V-block yourself in my mind when you mentioned it... as some sort of shaper project ;-) nice vid Adam... as pretty much all the time :-)
It would seem more appropriate to have them in a 2 compartment sack with a cinch string at the top to keep them from falling out or metal to metal contact. Then he can hang them on the shaft when they aren't being used to keep them from getting lost. I'm not judging, just critiquing.
Looks like you did a hell of a job getting the old antiquated Shaper working GREAT once again! I guess your persistence paid off! Excellent Modification but just wondering if there is enough clearance for the tool bit on the back stroke.
THAT IS SOME AWESOME WORK. THANK YOU FOR ALL THESE VIDEOS, I'M NOWHERE NEAR A MACHINIST, JUST A MAJOR MECHANIC, BUT AM VERY ENTICED WATCHING YOUR CRAFTSMANSHIP
Can you rotate the vise so that the screw is facing outwards to machine your coupling? Seems odd to be cutting against the movable jaw, but that is the way it is with shapers. I think that is why shaper vises are usually built so massive and heavy.
Off the top of my head I would say the 6 jaw would have no more holding force than the 3 jaw chucks. F=uN. Friction force equals a constant times the normal force. Area has no affect on friction, which goes against intuition. But who knows...we'll see.
But flex reduces friction, and chuck Jaws do flex out under pressure, so 6 Jaws would spread the load out in the chuck, possibly leading to less flex, and thus better contact and better holding.
"Just because!"
I like the way you think Adam
There's something Zen like about the shaper. With a well made shaping bar and cutter, the machine is not struggling to make it's cuts. It gets the work done peacefully.
Nice work and tight fit on the keyway. That fishtail design is great for reducing tool chatter. Good call.
Your contributions to This Old Tony Vids are hysterical. You have the best mean sneer in the business. Thanks for your great vids and thanks for adding humor to Tony's.
What a wonderful gift you have been given. there are maybe a handful of people that know what you know about machine work.
thats no gift, thats years of experience
Scribing those marks to help align the broach is bright. Good work, man!
nice work as always!
Hi Tony....
Thanks Tony! Missing your little shaper yet?
@@Abom79 i keep a picture of it in my wallet for when I'm feeling down.
+This Old Tony Does your die filer know about this previous shaper relationship?
@@DanKlenczar v
I was watching a video the other day and the guy has a mini shaper. Just a baby table top sort of deal. Thought of you right away. Thinking Abom should see this machine. It was so cute. I think the total push stroke was about 16-18 inches.
Adam, it's because of machinists like you, and TOT, that have inspired me to fundamentally change how I do any metal work. No longer do I reach for the sledge hammer first, now my first choice of equipment is a measuring device. Using thought before action has saved me so much time in the long run.
Lol, is it sad that my first thought was about measuring the size of my hammer before getting a bigger one?
Adam, I would like to share with you how we do our keys with our home made hydraulic vertical broach.
First, the shape is a dovetail shape. Sides become vertical automatically at each cut.
Second, we have made the tools in a way that they are always facing orthogonal to the cut direction. In this way when we broach an hole, we carefully look at the very first scratches the tool made. They must appear in the same time, in the number of two and they must be of the same size/width.
If the tool scratch on his left only...you are not in the middle. It's geometry.
Hope to have been helpful!
Wow, great job Adam.
You truly demonstrated the art today.
Thank you and I look forward to your next video.
Cheers,
Craig
Day job is going to start giving you more homework at this rate.
An idea to consider: A small V groove added (with a 3 corner file) to your tool bit slot, just enough to allow cutting oil to run with some control, from the top, and mill a little pocket (recess, half circle) that would always be on the vertical"top end" of the tool slot. The V groove should help direct the oil down the forward side of the tool bit (what would be on top if it was in a lathe) to help insure that the cutting edge has oil on it during the cut cycle. On the return stroke, oil will get laid down on the work right where the action is. The pocket is an oil reserve, and gives you a slightly larger target for the tip of the oil can when more oil is needed. Better targeted oiling and reduce the chances of fingers or oil can tips getting in foul with the tool bit.
Sometimes good ideas look so obvious when someone else has thought of them.
this one took a while to really come to me, I think it started on seeing the broaching of the longer bar. The spots that were still slightly rounded after the broaching made me think that they would be good for allowing oil through from the top and keep it on the tool bit, where the pressure is.
Your shaper is a beautiful machine!!! You worked a miracle on it. Runs soooo quiet and smooth. All is well.
Glad to hear you have matching nuts ;)
Large matching nuts...
Abom sized
People speak about the talented hands of a surgeon, I think the hands of the machinist are much more trained and able to do so much more. The machinist is deserving of the same reward of the surgeon
I hear You but in all honesty the responsebility between the cant be compared. Do You want to do open heart surgery on someones child. No sir not for me. But my respect for the machinest is second to none. Absolutely love their work.
2 nuts and 1 shaft seems to be a better ratio but if you'd rather 2 shafts, who am I to judge?
My dad ran a shaper for 40 years.He always roughed keyways with a radius tool,then a flat one.
Looking forward to the internal shaping! Nice bar!
Always good to have matching nuts. Nice work Adam.
That’s awesome! Thanks for sharing the fishtail grinds, will use those with the Zocca500 cutting keys
adam.. keep an eye on the scrap bin at work. you have a shaper.. find a big piece of material and make your own new V blocks on the shaper. then cut the big second in half, 3 or more sections and face those off.
I think I saw a Vee Block embedded it that piece of stock you were cutting your test slots in. Great job again Adam, thanks for making our weekends so much better!
Love the way you did this video! A little different from your usual lathe filming format. Keep it up Adam!
New V blocks sounds like a good shaper project.
this has been a great project to follow. love the series!!!
A beautiful bar... I need to make a few for my 12" Smith & MIlls!
Looking good, I was impressed with how well those two tools work. Thanks!
Great to see the old lathes still working and doing the job. Shows what taking care of your equipment is all about. I imagine that's you and your grandfather and your dad in the opening shots. Nice to see you carrying on with what they taught you. The broaching tool proves that you can put a square peg in a round hole. Nice videos.
Great work Adam!
"This lathe doesn't really have the power or rigidity of the Monarch.." And then a 0.200" doc in 4140.
In the end, it fitted in 'like a bum in a bucket'. Very much enjoyed it.
Always best to have 2 matching nuts... I’d walk straighter if mine were matching
I think there is a V block hidden in that test block you had in the shaper. Maybe two of them. Might be a nice project for the shaper.
I'm no machinist, but you have a gift for teaching. If I was younger, I'd be going back to school.
never too old to learn, I went back to school and earned a Bachelor's degree at 59 years old
Soooo cool to use your own handmade tools. Love it ! The 6 jaw should be standard with all lathes. Love it for sure and that new bar. Well done fella !
Such an inspiration to this humble home machinist. AND... looking damn fine in those coveralls man! Outstanding effort changing your body for your future.
Nice work as always Adam!
ATB, Robin
Enjoyed that, nice to see the tool bit grinds are similar to where ended up earlier this year with my internal bar set up. Thanks for sharing. All the best Mat
I would appreciate a video on how you clock the tool bit in your boring bar so that the sidewalls of the key-ways cut with it, are square to the bore. As a retired 45 year machinist, I know how you did it, just would like other people to know what it takes to get the job done correctly. Also remember having one of those Cleveland drill indexes on my bench years ago, and thinking nothing of it, left it at a shop after getting a new Hout index. Wish I would have kept it.
Adam: "I think I'm gonna look out for some V-blocks to have a through hole in some of them"
*viewers send in 20 V-blocks the very next week*
am willing to take excess vblocks or whatever off his hands. ;)
Good thing you got a pair other wise you would be an oddity. Love your channel Adam
Nice to see a skilled machinist working without the aid of G-code. Keep up the good work.
Adam just to listen to the things you know is amazing. you sure know your work looks like new uniform you are wearing?
More very pleasing Abom work Adam. :)
If you have a pair of nuts; they should match, otherwise something is really wrong. Nuts should absolutely be a matching pair! Thank you, Adam, for sharing such amazing work with us!
Adam, I think a good video would be making those V blocks from scratch in the shaper. How about you?
VERY cool shaping and tool making. Thanks for sharing.
Don't think I've commented on your videos before but just want to say I love your content, I've recommended you to a lot of machinists I know and there obsessed with you haha keep it up!
Great work could watch that shaper all day
It is interesting to watch you work your magic! It’s a lot more fun when it’s not work!
Very nice shaper action good job Adam great video thank you very much
I vote that you machine your own "V" blocks. That way they will be how you want them instead of modifying some built by someone else.
Adam, I wish I knew what you have forgotten sir! The previous video of sharpening that drill bit. I would rather have your sharpened drill bits than factory grinds. I like those Cle-Line drill bits. Now to talk the Wifey into letting me get them. That new bar is beautiful. But why on earth would you want to use that hideous shaper? BECAUSE YOU CAN! I like that shaper. Keep the shaper vijaos coming! They are really nice to watch something get squared up. Those big parallels is one of my favorite.
Can't have ever to many nutz. The magic of the hive mentality.
I love that ole shaper , you sure are bringing it back to working awesome !
I wanna see a DRO on that thing; really marry together the old machining technology with the new.
Very nice work on the key slot.
Get your buddy at Windy Hill Foundry to cast a couple of v-blocks, using your grandad's v-blocks to build the mold. Then you can machine them to your specs.
That should be your new motto ! " Keep'er Wet " !!!
Adam, can you please show how you would centre a cylinder on the shaper in order to cut an internal keyway.
Adam, Awesome video thanks for sharing this beautiful video excellent job.!.!.!.
Thanks for the warm wishes to everyone that was at mr.petes meet and greet. Would have been cool if you could have made it but we understood you could not be there
I must say I love watching these videos. I did wonder though, when you were talking about the V-blocks in the press, whether you could have used one on top of the work when you were starting the broach to get the flats of the broach at right angles to the work rather than having to engrave the square shape in the mill and line it up by eye?
That was some beautiful metal
Adam, holy balls on a goose, sure would be nice to have a couple of nuts like those! Good work!
I’m glad your nuts match. Mine do, too, funny guy. Thanks for another great video.
Mine dont match. One is a lil bigger but in all honesty they are just decoration at this point
I had the same thought, shape some out. I know you can find some material at the day job
I'm watching your video about the new shaper bars. I see you picking up the oil can many many times. I then thought Why you couldn't get some sort of automatic oiler that shoots a squirt of oil each time it retracts? Could run off each machine cycle. Would save you the effort of having to pick up the can constantly. Just an idea.
Adam, you just make it look so easy. Josh bailey you got a big grin out of me.
Michael Durling ha!!! Good!!
Do you ever have trouble with the bar rotating in it's holder in the machine? As though the nut comes loose from vibration? How does it have a positive true lock, or is it best to be movable, for slightly different applications?
Another great video, it seems that you get better with each new video. Just throwing in my point of view, I think that modifying the V-Block as you suggested is definitely one of your better Ideas. It is so good, you should think about a patent. Be well and prosper!
Damn, Adam man..... you just made be buy a shaper! You tell my missus why I need one!
I have to watch all your shaper vids again now!
The machine I bought is about half the size of your one, but nevertheless....
She told me, I could have a shaper if you explained that men just need shapers...don't make me a liar Adam... after getting that machine (got two milling machines in the same process) I haven't the money anymore for a divorce lawyer LOL
Paddy
I spent the better part of my life hooking the IT bits to the mechanical bits of CNC equipment. From the more modern machines to the retro fitting of the early Fanuc controls. That stuff gets old real fast. It's great for production, don't get me wrong, and it has its beauty.... but no thanks... Add to that, that working in CAD is mind-numbingly, yes terminally boring.... and I even look with high suspicions at my 3D printer !
Paddy
Love the shaper work content.
Thank you Adam, another great job, I love watching the sheer power and accuracy of the shaper, you have done a great job of restoring it, the makers would be proud to see the shaper back in use. The six jaw chuck is cool too.
I hail from Christchurch, Southern UK - please keep 'em coming!
The finish on the tool holder from the shaper was way better than I would have expected.
To keep round stock from sliding back in jaws, if you have enough stock turn a smaller diameter on one end,or a step,making sure you have enough stock going back in jaws for adequate chucking,stock will butt up against face of jaws,no more pushback
I would like to see a dial indicator mounted on the sliding head of the shaper that is measuring the position of the bar -- just to see if there is any flex in that bar as it cuts. I can't imagine that it would.
Wait what? Did you just make an off-joke? OMG, is the Abom Facade finally cracking open?
WTH, was Ave over in your shop today? LOL
And in this vein, Adam, may I say what a stunningly large, fine pair of nuts you have!!!
Going even further, had I a pair of nuts like that, I wouldn't even know what to do with them, or where to keep them!
OK, Enough, I'm gonna go watch the video now and shut up.... LOL
why did I have you doing that V-block yourself in my mind when you mentioned it... as some sort of shaper project ;-)
nice vid Adam... as pretty much all the time :-)
I feel like the nuts should have been presented in a bag... and before you judge me, I heard Adam laugh!
It would seem more appropriate to have them in a 2 compartment sack with a cinch string at the top to keep them from falling out or metal to metal contact. Then he can hang them on the shaft when they aren't being used to keep them from getting lost. I'm not judging, just critiquing.
@@thallmeister no doubt they should hang from the back of the truck. {At least that's what the cool kids are doing...}
Can always tell a true machinist, nearest tool, a 6" scale! Yes I can measure with a scale and be within .005!
Time to get your electric press going.
And maybe a new shirt size. ;)
Looks great Adam. Nice job.
I must be missing something... What stops the bar from revolving (axially) is it just the tightness of the Nut?
So awesome. I will own one of these one day.
You make this stuff look like child's play. Nice work.
it's not at all child's play. these are toys for adults.
You got that right the cuts he makes on those machines are deep,my south bend would throw the belt .
@@carmo9693 haha yeah, .2 lol
Ok so my SB lathe is a 500 dollar rig how much is the lathe he is working on and I believe his machine is geared as well.
This is why I try to only buy American. Attn to detail, pride in work, and no cutting corners.
Couldn't you make some Abomb style V-blocks for broaching in the shaper?
And I also hate them little chips! They always end up down your shirt or sticking to your lip somehow! Talk about ouch!!
How To: Fit a square peg in a round hole.
That was good. The highlight was when you showed us you pair of nuts.
Beautiful job ! Thank you for the video.
Looks like you did a hell of a job getting the old antiquated Shaper working GREAT once again! I guess your persistence paid off! Excellent Modification but just wondering if there is enough clearance for the tool bit on the back stroke.
learned processes for slot cutting today, good job
THAT IS SOME AWESOME WORK. THANK YOU FOR ALL THESE VIDEOS, I'M NOWHERE NEAR A MACHINIST, JUST A MAJOR MECHANIC, BUT AM VERY ENTICED WATCHING YOUR CRAFTSMANSHIP
great job adam maybe you could make a pair of vee blocks for the press in the shaper
yea I was going to say the same thing.
this was fucking cool. I loved seeing the nut being made.
Well done sir! What do you film with? Thank you for sharing your work. I have learned a ton! Huge inspiration!!!
Can you rotate the vise so that the screw is facing outwards to machine your coupling? Seems odd to be cutting against the movable jaw, but that is the way it is with shapers. I think that is why shaper vises are usually built so massive and heavy.
I love machinin' 4140! It cuts so nice like butta!
Off the top of my head I would say the 6 jaw would have no more holding force than the 3 jaw chucks. F=uN. Friction force equals a constant times the normal force. Area has no affect on friction, which goes against intuition. But who knows...we'll see.
But flex reduces friction, and chuck Jaws do flex out under pressure, so 6 Jaws would spread the load out in the chuck, possibly leading to less flex, and thus better contact and better holding.
I like the rubber mats on your mill. Where do you get them?