I am loving the upgrade from A7iii to the A7IV, the auto focus was a lot more confident in lower light. I use it mostly indoor at restaurant, without external lights. Photos are cleaner both at 1600ISO or so, and it doesn't hunt anymore, which sometimes happens with the A7iii. Might look like not a substantial upgrade on paper, but overall its worth it imo. The rear screen is more trust worthy now too!
The exposure compensation dial doesn't have a label because you can program it to be anything you like - not just exposure compensation! :) Another great review, thanks.
I appreciate that, though I still think I would personally prefer to have it labeled. Perhaps it could be included as a decal that could be user installed if that were one's preference.
@@DustinAbbottTWI Wasn't a criticism, just that it's Sony's first camera where that dial can be reassigned to different functions, as well as set to one thing for stills and another for video. That versatility is very welcome!
Dustin, Thanks for an easy to understand and thorough review. Some would say that watching a review of something you already purchased is just chasing justification. But I learned even more about what may well be my last major photography purchase. I appreciate the "still" (vs video) centric review and am now better prepared to take advantage of the A7 IV's dynamic range aspects when in the field.
Totally agree with Dan. I likewise have had the camera in hand for about 6 weeks, but continue to gain insight from videos like this. And I think Dustin is one of the best … just sayin’ 😊
Great review as usual, the part I especially like is the noise performance test in the lens cabinet with existing lighting, to me that gives me much more info on the actual sensor performance than those standard lab test shots, so just that or a simple real world sky picture during a no moon night with ISO 25600, 15 -20 second exposure will offer tons of great info on the sensor. greatly appreciated the addition of that simple test.
Hi Dustin. Thank you for this review. I like the sense of realism and clearity in your video’s. Bought the A7IV and yes, you are right. Grtz from Belgium.
TOTALLY for the video features, especially its superior dynamic range and if you want high quality USB direct livestreaming without overheating; the focus breathing compensation and focus mapping win it for me. This is easily one of the best cameras for livestream, vlogging and talking head content that most UA-camrs have been wanting. I have the Sony Alpha 1 for 8K product shots but will be using the 7IV for run-n-gun livestreaming and vlogging.
@Dustin , great review as usual, I have some questions: The A7III / A7IIIR had a bit short 1/4" screw-mount which could easily be penetrated by a too long tripodscrew. Have the Alpha 1 and 7 IV deeper 1/4"holes? The bottom of the A7III was quite vulnerable to water ingres when you put it down on the surface, melting snow etc, has this improved now. I noted that while comparing a Sony Alpha 7 III had much more amplification noise compared to the Nikon Z6 when shooting a Milky-way time lapse at -3C in the moutains. Both have the same sensor. Did you have a chance to try this, comparing the A7III to the IV, I ? Just shoot at ISO 400 /640 30 second in the dark with a lens cover and it will show up. Alain Dyer wrote also about this in his Nikon Z6 review: "As I show in my review of the a7III, the Sony also exhibits a purple edge glow in long-exposure deep-sky images, from an internal light source. That’s a serious detriment to its use in deep-sky imaging. Happily, the Z6 proved to be free of any such artifacts. Images are clean and evenly illuminated to the edges, as they should be. I saw no amp glows or other oddities that can show up under astrophotography use. The Z6 can produce superb deep-sky images. " The Sony is nicer for filming Aurora, slower shutterspeeds of 1/4th sec. Links Alain Dyer Sony : amazingsky.net/2018/05/31/testing-the-sony-a7iii-for-astrophotography/ Nikon : amazingsky.net/2019/04/30/testing-the-nikon-z6-for-astrophotography/ Canon R 6: amazingsky.net/2021/09/23/testing-the-canon-r6-for-astrophotography/ I'm currently using the Z6, and modified it to full spectrum. With Nikon you can use (excellent Sony lenses) Kind regards, keep on the great job, Samyang is also throwing in a very interesting 135mm f1.8 Bjorn
Hi there, Bjorn. Unfortunately my copy of the a7IV was a loaner, so I won't have a chance to do any further tests. I can't really answer the detailed questions about the depth of the 1/4" mount or weather sealing, as those are more internal issues that I can't just observe in normal use.
One benefit of the video crop in 4K 60: rolling shutter performance of the sensor is SIGNIFICANTLY improved. For my shooting style, moving to that crop for 4K 60 with a still downsampled image is not a big deal.
So disappointed that this wasn’t tweaked just a little more toward the sports/wildlife enthusiast. I would not even care about the 10 fps, but if you had blackout free shutter, that would have been awesome. Otherwise amazing camera and AS ALWAYS, excellent review.
I would not do that if I want to sell some more A9 and A1. it's close enough for a $2500 and $4500 already. no, I am not their target customer for this camera but just saying that.
I don't think that is ever going to be the market position of the a7 series. I'm not sure being disappointed that a camera isn't another camera is fair. Sony already has the a9 and a1 series.
Hello Dustin, excellent review!!! If I have a sony a7III with the Tamron 70-180mm f2.8 lens and I want to improve the quality and focus speed of my action photography, what would you buy first at the same price? Sony a7IV or Sony 70-200mm f2.8 MK2. Thanks alot.
I got my a7iv three weeks ago, my first full frame camera. I upgraded from a6500. Due to bad weather I have not used it a lot yet, still I really like it
Thank you for the excellent & comprehensive review. Question: A number of Sony A7iv owners on Facebook are complaining that the eye autofocus focuses on the eyebrow or eyelash rather than the eyeball. They say that their other Sony A7x cameras don't have that problem (e.g. A7Riii). They post examples where the front of the eye is clearly a bit out of focus. Did you notice this at all with your camera? Thank you.
Hi Art - I didn't actually observe that myself, so I can't account for the variables that might contribute to anecdotal accounts. As for the subsequent question as to if it could improved with firmware, I think that answer is absolutely yes. Remember that Sony ADDED full time Eye AF to third gen cameras via firmware.
Having the same issue with my A7IV. Wide open with like a 35 GM and a closer distance it's missing quite often. I believe Sony acknowledged the issue but none is covering this. I also heard that it took a lot of effort to make Sony acknowledge this. It's a real bummer to be honest and hence I hope for a firmware update to fix it.
Hi Dustin. The link above takes me to their website but the page itself is non existent. (404 error). I also tried using no "-" as well as an underscore instead of a dash. Please post a note here when you get it working. Thanks.
For me, ISO 25000 is really high, but if the a7 iv can do it cleanly, then , just wow. I shot indoors yesterday at ISO 800 with an f2.8 constant and never had to go any higher. With ISO 25000 capability, I can't help but want to explore those f3.5-5.5 lenses.
Anyone else notice the sample shots from the not yet announced Sigma 20mm f2.0 dg dn lens? Looks like really good sharpness but rather horrible vignetting
The markings are missing on the exposure compensation wheel because it's now a multi-function customisable wheel, so markings would be confusing when using it for something else
In a previous comment regarding overheating concerns & your answer--you mention that you are primarily a stills shooter & that your video test shots were outside in the Canadian winter. So, I want to ask further if you still have the Sony a7iv, have you experienced--since that time--overheating issues which many youtubers & reviewers have complained about? What's the longest run time (video) you've had with this camera? If so, have you received any communication from Sony Corporate regarding new firmware will solve the overheating problems of the Sony a7iv?
I have had an overheating issue when filming in direct sunlight. I've changed the value to allow for high temperatures and haven't had the problem since, but I try to avoid setting up the camera in direct sunlight if at all possible to eliminate the issue.
@@DustinAbbottTWI Thanks for sharing your further experience with the a7IV. Wish that SONY would address the overheating issue directly & solve the problem. It seems like that they could, but don't seem to feel an ethical reason as to why they should. The Sony R series cameras and the A1--higher pixel cameras--appear to have overheating issues resolved. Of course, the lower pixel a7Siii and FX3 haven't encountered overheating issues. $2,500 for a camera body (a7IV) is a lot of money. With Sony's ability to design sensor chips, one would think that they would have eliminated overheating issues with all of their cameras long ago.
Have a A/IV myself, tried with 35mm f/1.4, 55mm f/1.8, 85mm f/1.8, 90mm f2.8 and there are definitely focus-issues. The camera is not permanently front- or back focusing, but even with Eye-AF and AF-C, the selection-algorithm fails. As soon as there are strong (often vertical) contrast areas, or lines the AF prefers to focus on those parts in the frame even with the green focus frame clearly being on the eye. So, the camera is dead sharp, but it "internally" selects wrong parts for adjusting rather than the one in the focus frame. Took some selfies on a tripod, focus clearly on the eye, but often "real internal" focus was on the the black and white hairs of my beard, sometimes back focusing, sometimes front focusing. Hairs distract the camera, but also gray lines on buildings, or vertical borders of doors or windows. It's clearly a flaw in the internal focus selection logic. Had lots of portraits with different very good lenses with slightly blurry eyes but only with this camera (others work fine with same lenses). Hope they come up with a firmware upgrade soon
I have a slightly off topic experience to relate. I purchased two 128gb UHS II V60 SD cards in anticipation of a Sony camera purchase. I received my A7 IV end Dec which included a note that these SD cards would not work in this camera (check the Sony web site for more info) and could be exchanged for new cards free of charge. The old cards were mailed and received by Sony over 4 weeks ago and it has been a frustrating, fruitless experience to get an update on the replacement cards which have still not been mailed back to me. The company (SBE) do not answer their phone, or email and customer service apparently cannot contact SBE either. So I was 4 weeks into a 90 day warranty not able to test some features of this exciting camera (S&Q mode needs faster cards than I have). I purchased a third card, same day delivery from Amazon as a solution, will keep the card as a backup.
Great review, as always. Would going from A7R III to A7 IV be an upgrade or downgrade in your opinion? I'm shooting mostly landscapes (and some portraits) and I'm happy with the AF performance of A7R III, so I'm mostly looking for improvements in image quality and overall usability.
I would personally probably prefer the a7IV for a variety of reasons, but I wouldn't call image quality improved over the RIII, which had a great sensor.
low light AF is one of the main reasons I'm making this exact jump. Also form factor and frame / bit rate / picture profiles for video match my a7siii way better, making this a great A cam for photo, and B (or A?!) can for video.
on the same boat. Still on the fence. Selling a7r3 probably regain $1500, then add $1000 for a7 iv. a7r3 's AF for wedding photography is still not reliable enough. So AF performance is main attraction for me. But is it worth $1000? I don't use video mode that often. Smart phone and action camera has much better/faster work flow to push it to social media. The content of the video is far more important than the video IQ.
Dustin, thank you again for another one of your thorough and insightful reviews. Coming from the A7iii with its excellent low-light performance, I was concerned about how well the A7iv, with its 33mpix sensor would perform in low light and at what cost for noise at the higher ISOs. Your detailed video provided me with just the information I was looking for to upgrade to the A7iv. Blessings to you from the Blue Ridge Parkway of North Carolina. : )
I did not, but I also reviewed the camera in a Canadian winter. The average temperature was probably close to zero Fahrenheit during most of my review!
The R6 is the better camera for tracking, but I would only choose it if tracking action was my number one priority. The a7IV is definitely the more versatile camera, and the sensor is much better.
@kulmmii The A7IV has been a hit or miss for me doing running dogs, if the eye AF could pick up the eye, the success rate is pretty high, but if the eye couldn't be locked on, the hit rate isn't all that impressive when relying on Tracking, but then it's probably due to the 35-150 I'm using that couldn't quite keep up, so maybe the 70-200GM2 would be much better for these extreme action shots. Other than that, A7IV's eye AF works quite flawlessly in portrait scenarios.
My copy of the A7IV delivered files not even close to those he presented here. The noise is way more pronounced and I know of many other people complaining about the same thing. When this camera was released the You Tube elite pushed jpg files (with baked in noise reduction) disguised as RAW output. They started by stating that IQ at higher ISO's was improved compared to the A7III. Yes, when NR was baked in via a jpg file. Lightroom only started to offer RAW support around 5 weeks ago. Intentional or not it is / was definitely misleading.
I standardize all of my RAW files to DNG so that comparisons are done more apples to apples, and typically the DNG file format is more efficient (though not as efficient as Canon .CR3 format). As for George's point - it is not possible for a DNG file format change to IMPROVE the original image. I was showing RAW images (in the DNG format) which have no additional noise reduction added, so your claim is false and not misleading. Any comparison of camera I have ever done over the past ten+ years was done with the exact same steps that I demonstrated here.
@@elmegade3 I experienced noise with my A7iv, but in understandable circumstances: I was shooting events (a wedding & a naming) in underlit rooms where flash was not wanted, resulting in underexposed photos, in badly lit conditions. I was shooting at 1/200s or thereabouts to freeze motion and ISO 3200 to 6400. There was of course noise, but the underexposures recovered well, and any noise washed out fully with Topaz if I wanted it to. Using Dustin's phrase, the 'global' images looked really good. I don't know of any other camera that could have bettered it. Especially when taking into consideration the marvellous AF.
How about test shots of the Sony a7iv 4k crop 60fps with Sony 16-55 f2.8 lens? The new Tamron aps-c Zoom lenses and the Sigma new aps-c Zoom lenses. Also, do several similar tests with Fuji aps-c prime lenses for Sony e-mount: Fuji 16mm f1.4; Sigma 19mm f/2.8; Sigma 30mm f/1.4; Sigma 56mm f/1.4.
Hey Dustin, in your text review you wrote "Viewfinder experience limits the potential of the great autofocus" and "wouldn’t mind a tracking/viewfinder experience more like the Canon R6." And I wanted to ask if you could expand upon that? I wouldn't expect it be like an a9 since that has no blackout at all with its stacked sensor, but how is the viewfinder then for just normal shooting? Like in the case of event shooting, tracking people's faces and eyes at , say a concert - not crazy running around sports action. Does the EVF drop in noticeable resolution or become jittery ever once AF is locked (assuming high quality and 120hz is selected in settings)? Thank you!
@@DustinAbbottTWI Thanks! Is the canon even smoother than a sony a9? (not talking of blackout when actually shooting frames, but smoothness of looking around and how it behaves once afc is locked). Thanks a ton as always!
It's weird. The R6 gives you better burst rates, so it is better for tracking action...but not because it has a better focus system. The focus system in the a7IV is excellent, but the burst situation isn't great. I'd probably choose the a7IV unless I needed to track action regularly.
Exposure compensation dial has no label now because you can choose what it does. Which is quite cool I guess, I've seen people use it to change kelvin on white balance. So you have four programmable dials now 🤔
Having the A7iii, would it be better to upgrade to the A7iv or the A9ii please? For the A9ii would it be better to purchase a new one or used at USD 3,000? I'm not sure about the used one as the shop that is currently offering it has no reviews of professional inspections and only hava a 3-month warranty. I shoot macro, landscape, events, sports and wildlife especially birds. Thank you for the feedbacks :)
That's a tough call. If you do a lot of sports and birding, you might want to go with the used a9II (I think you should be safe even with a 3 month warranty; it is a very well made camera). There are things that I like better about the a7IV, but its burst rate is nowhere near a9 territory.
Ty for the review Dustin! Would you consider this a perfect camera for an hobbyist that shoots mainly cityscapes/landscapes (70%), some family and dog portraits (20%) and occasionaly motorsports/birds (10%)? Can't afford the Z9 or A1
Is this good for wildlife at SD Safari park? Use now Canont7 with Tamron 100-400. What mirrorless camera is similar. Can I still use my Tamron 100-400?
Excellent as always. Funny seeing the outside temperature at -14ºC! I wonder if the colour is better with raw over previous cameras like the A7RIII and IV?
Hello, thanks to share your wonderful video. I need to ask a question because my english is not good and I don't understand a thing: Is it possible to get better results from an overexposed or underexposed photo of 3 apertures with A7 IV? I thank you
Thanks for another great review. I got the A7iv a few weeks ago and haven't had an opportunity to really try it out yet. Your review made me want to get out and start shooting. As you say, it's a lot of camera for $2,500.
Dustin, great review, as usual. Would you say the A7IV can work as a wildlife camera (with the proper lenses, clearly, such as the FE 200-600)? Or -pricing aside- would the A7RIVA -or the A7RV- be a better choice? Thank you!
I definitely think either the a7IV or a7RIV would work well for your application. The a7IV gives you a better focus system and more modern features, but the a7RIV gives you more cropping ability. I'd choose based on what your priorities will be.
Does it have active stabilization when cropped and on 4K 60fps? Does it store Gyro information during these modes? How is rolling shutter when cropped and not cropped? Does it have all tracking when cropped and in 4K 60fps?
Thanks another thorough review. I backordered when first announced as I suspected it would prove popular and initially tricky to get hold of given current world supply chain challenges and chip constraints. There really is much to like and overall I'm delighted. I will use mine to finally start exploring so called 'convergence' and start learning how to shoot good video, albeit stills is my primary interest. For me main gripe is no included hard copy manual. Their menu system, as most users know, is one of the least intuitive of all main brands. Yes they upgraded and changed the menu, but having eventually got used to the old one find the new version a bit confusing - mostly what is where. Its easy to miss set something accidentally, then waste time trying to correct. Sure time using and hands-on experience will eventually cure ignorance and unfamiliarity. But, that's why you should have a paper manual included. I can't easily view the online manual/user guide's small print on a phone screen (when I'm outside, trying to use/learn) and sitting in front of a large pc screen isn't always convenient. I have evolved my Sony ownership, overlapping and eventually switching from Nikon. Sometimes owning one, mostly two bodies. Starting with an a6500, I progressed through an a7R3, a7R4, a9 and now an a7iv currently my only body. I sold my a7R4 for many reasons not least seldom needing full size Raw files. Loved the a9 for speed but would have liked a tad more dynamic range. I had started to convince myself that an a1 was my best option and a key reason my a7R4 was sold. But the a7iv was announced the following week, it looked so good on paper, with seemingly many a1 features for less than half the cost, so I was sold. I'm now trying to clarify if I should buy a second a7iv, an a7Siii, an a1 or wait until something else comes along e.g a7c mkii based on internals of a7Siii or a7iv or maybe even an a1 mk ii? It all depends on how my progression with video goes. I like shooting sport and having sold my a9 just 2 weeks ago feel the need for an a1 more keenly, but in truth have yet to see how well the a7iv copes with real world sports and wildlife use, paired with a 200-600 and mk ii 70-200 GM. Choices, choices - a nice dilemma to have!
I am really curious how the does the A7IV compare with the A7RIV in low light, high ISO condition. I am trying to choose between the two, to replace my mighty original A7. I mostly shoot stills, rarely video. I am thinking the 120+ MB per RAW is too much burden though I can take advantage to print on much larger canvas for my landscape photos. I also shoot indoor for my friends and families, so low light performance is a huge factor. So really appreciate if I can get some advice here.
thank you for the review . I feels like this camera is going to be amazing but I have 1 question about the shutter . do you think sony update the shutter from a7iii? I had a7iii and shutter die on me at around 60k shutter count . I went and stay with an a9 instead. if they upgrade the shutter this would be a great back up for sure
I think the shutter is improved, but your experience is a very, very rare one. I've never had a shutter go on any camera in all my years as a photographer.
Very nice review Dustin! That dynamic range! Recovering from -5EV is really crazy and well it's real now! Just wished you could compare with A1 and A7riii. It's a real let down it still has blackout in viewfinder while the electronic shutter seems clueless on this camera limited to 10fps as mechanical. Could you tell how does the blackout compares to R5 and R6?
@@DustinAbbottTWI Ah that's a shame for wildlife photography then. Considering the lack of 20fps and worse blackout for a camera more than a year newer than R6. It seems sony needs to bring out a budget model for wildlife, A7iv won't fit there for sure.
@@hans6304 I'm not expert and dnt have either of A7iii or A7iv. But if the blackouts in EVF doesn't bother your photography and you are happy with the 10fps then the upgrade worth for sure specially if you do videography as well. Bird eye AF is a real game changer. But if you dn't care about video at all and need 20fps at least or want a blackout free viewfinder you can find some great condition used A9 or even A9ii for the same price or less. AF will be awesome in tracking but still lacks bird eye af like your current camera. Or just wait for the A9iii coming or that so called baby A1 which I hope comes out in a couple of months.
@@networm64 great points. I always wanted an A9ii and there are some in the used market for around USD 3,000. I'm just not sure about their conditions as I'm not confident yet in determining used camera conditions, and the shops seems to not having proper camera inspections with only having a few month warranty. Thank you again for replying, Shahab.
Hey brother what would you recommend for someone doing both photography and video in terms of a single camera and lens(es) if budget/cost was unlimited? So far I am thinking either Sony Alpha 1 (A1), Sony A7IV, or A7SIII . Ignore prices, I looking to buy once/cry once on most versatile camera & lens(es) setup.
Picked up a OB model a7IV with the kit lens earlier tonight from Adorama for $2200 and since I used my trade dollars I was blessed with no tax.. (kit lens will be going back in for a $50 trade credit 😆)
Dustin, great review as always! However, I’m not sure if I missed it, or if you talked about the EVF refresh rate? I never liked the A7III’s EVF, and it’s nice that it at least gets a bump in resolution, but what about lag, or I guess just feeling more “natural” like a DSLR (maybe I’m just getting old lol). I’ve been in a holding pattern for a few years now waiting for Canon to either release an “affordable” FF camera that really gives Sony a run for it’s money (don’t like the R6’s 20mp limitation for $3400), or for Sony to improve certain things in their A7 line (ergonomics and that EV being my biggest complaint). Not sure how much longer I can hold hope for a better/cheaper Canon R* camera, so this A7IV is looking real promising. Thank you again for your detailed reviews!
I did talk about the viewfinder experience some when it comes to tracking. The viewfinder is definitely improved in many ways over the a7III, and for most things it is fine. For tracking fast action it still is a disappointment relative to the a9 series or the Alpha 1, but that's true of all of Sony's cameras.
Getting slightly different results- don't have the same test set up yours but not far from it... (55 1.8 Sony/Zeiss) no doubt it recovers hi's and shadows good but my -3 with recovering Highlights is not as good as you were getting? and I wish my 12.8K looked as good as your 25.6K Processing with Capture One 22 could this be why?
@@DustinAbbottTWI heard / read / seen.. cap one is better with Fuji files.. (reaon to try).. I have a similar storage cabinet and went with just the light within the cabinet... with much relief the results were way better... now just have to figure what scenario I had on the first round and avoid it
I'm torn between Canon R6 and Sony A7iv, I want it mainly for videos. the only reason I lean more towards Canon R6 is the full resolution 4K/60fps as I need it for interior/real estate videography. 😣
@@greasyflight6609 thank you. The R6 mk2 is out. Although it doesn’t offer the same lenses variation, it looks like a better choice, especially for the full resolution 60fps/4K.
Is there a shortage of this camera in the US? In Serbia we are paying around 3400 Dollars for it and it's difficult to find. So you guys are lucky to get for only 2500 :)
@@DustinAbbottTWI I just got A7IV and while using V90 card (ProGrade) Camera slows down after about 40th shot with 10fps both RAW and JPEG mode. If you are using CFExpress, then yes, you will get huge buffer, because it is writing fery fast. With V90 or lower, not so fast.
Is this camera superior to the a7riv Mr. Abbott? I can’t help looking at the latest and greatest. UA-cam videos of Sony a7riv are few and far between these days…
The RIV remains a very good camera, and there's always some give and take when a new model comes out. The primary reason to choose the RIV is obviously if you need the superior resolution.
@@DustinAbbottTWI I just needed that sir, thank you. Getting distracted by the latest and greatest is never good. I have to remember why I spent my hard earned money on this camera in the first place. If I can't figure that out or appreciate what I have, then I will never be happy.
Hey not to be a stickler but it cannot record digital audio via the hotshoe, that would insanity if it where true and had the ability to add an interface that would accept AES microphones, rather it allows for a digital audio interface to be added onto the top in the form of analog connections. Just being a hopeful and nosey sound mixer :) I don't think anything on the market can compete or really come close to a 2 system workflow when it comes to preamp and conversion performance.
"Multi Interface Shoe supports working with the optional ECM-B1M Shotgun Microphone or XLR-K3M XLR Adapter Kit, which provide improved, clear audio recording sound by sending a digital audio signal to the camera, opposed to an analog signal."
Great review on the sensor but the AF portion was more theoretical than practical. Love the running dog test you typically perform. Was hoping to see that here as I am very interested in the eye tracking especially compared to the R6. Excellent review otherwise.
In case this still useful. Eye tracking works like a dream but... autofocus doesn't. If, instead of a running dog, you shoot a running person, about 30 % of the shots are sharp in wide area large. Can be improved to 70 % in spot tracking. That's my experience, but you can have a look at Mathieu Gasquet's video (comparison with the R6ii), he gets 75% sharp for a person walking towards the camera.
I have a dilemma here… the a7r5 has so much resolution that it gives so much flexibility and in the apsc mode we get more reach from every single lens. Telephoto lenses benefit from that even more I feel. But for most purposes 60 megapixels seems like an overkill to me. My brain says - a7m4, my crazy heart says… splash out and get the a7r5. I suppose we won’t see the a7m5 anytime soon? I feel like it’s gonna get a lot of upgrades that have been implemented in the a7r5
YOUR STILL #1 IN THIS FORMAT.....I CAN REMEMBER WAY BACK WHEN I STATED SONY will Make other CAMERA MFG'S SECOND CLASS...I GOT LAUGHED AT........ I NOTICE ALL YOU USE NOW IS SONY, WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH YOUR OTHER BRANDS? WISH YOU ALL THE BEST
Thanks for the indepth review and many small tests for the sensor quality. Something I miss, but might be too much work, would be a comparission with the last generation and the competition so I can unterstand how good the sensor really performs. As allways, thanks for the review.
I had two weeks with the camera and no access to an a7III, so while I can appreciate as a consumer how you would like to have all of those comparisons, reality dictates that it isn't always possible.
I have the R5 and I’m considering buying the a7iv mainly because of the lenses esp the tamron 35-150 f2/2.8 as a general walk about combo. But the two bodies are in a different league the a7iv is entry level the R5 is much more advanced. For the record I'm only interested and my comment only refers to stills not video.
Two completely different cameras. It will depend what type of photography and video are you doing and you're budget. I'm a Sony hybrid shooter and the good thing about Sony is if you don't want to spend much on lenses like the G master at least third party are good enough and more affordable. Canon glad is even more expensive than Sony so, that's another thing to take into consideration. I got the A7IV and is a good camera but lenses will be always more important than bodies.Hope that helps!!!
@@Jaimesebe thanks, I'm shooting weddings and portraits. The thing is so many people have been telling me stories about faulty shutters and Sonys stopping working during paid gigs.
@@mattstolzman that’s very unfortunate!And honestly been shooting with Sony cameras for 4 years and that has happened to me with my A6300 only once a while ago. I do have concerns as a freelancer like you that can happen to my A7IV but I cover myself with my insurance just in case.However and at the end of the day, can happens with any piece of tech regardless the brand!! I would base my buying needs to budget and specs that we need to deliver good service to our clients!!Hope that helps!!🙌🏾🙏🏾☺️
I think this is highly personal, for me, I am using the Sony for landscape only ( to utilize the high DR sensor), but when I shoot handheld, I really don't like how Sony camera body feel in my hand, really uncomfortable even after 6 long years of trying, so if I shoot sports, events, regardless of how the Sony perform in terms of AF. tracking..... it's not the camera of choice for me, and you really have to be careful with Sony in wet condition as well, therefore I went with Z9 instead of the A1, for the same reason I would go with R5 instead of any Sony for any application other than tripod shooting. just a personal preference .
I bought this body as an upgrade to the A7III, but I have to admit. The cropped 4k60 & the 6fps shooting in uncompressed RAW...... MAJOR BUZZ KILL. The only real saving grace for me is the absolutely amazing AF. It's on par with the A9II & A1. But there are so many odd limitations. Sony is hawking their CFexpress type A tech, even though Type B is better. I get that this body can't out perform the A1 or A7SIII or A9II, due to economic reasons, but still.... Solid all around camera overall.
@@DustinAbbottTWI You're correct there's no need for uncompressed RAW anymore. HOWEVER... Whatever compression algorithm Sony is using in the A7IV, MacOS does not like it one bit (pun intended). I can open the RAW files in iPadOS, but not on my desk top. so for me its just another odd annoying limitation.
Low fps rate (+ high price): my show stopper. My Fujifilm X T4 misses a lot of shots because the tracking option is almost useless and (face/eye) AF performance isn't great. The A7 IV would miss a lot, because it's so slow, although it has great AF and tracking features.
Very nice review. As always from you🙂. But unfortunately with my a7iv I have front focus on cat, human with eyes AF at close range and fast lenses. The issue is discussed at Dpreview and German Photo Forum. A7iv users report that older models (a7iii/a7riii) have better results in this scenario with eye AF. Fortunately, according to the dpreview comments, Sony support has confirmed the issue.
As a professional photographer and accredited photo journalist, I have been an avid Sony user since 2015 starting with the Sony a6000, I remained true to Sony using various A7 models of theirs until this year. When the Sony a7IV was presented I was very enthusiastic and ordered one from my photographic supplier. However, after researching further I was dismayed to learn that the Sony a7IV would NOT be manufactured in Japan, but in China. For me this was an absolute no-go and I immediately cancelled my order and placed an order for a Nikon instead. To make matters quite clear, I have nothing against China nor the people. I have worked in China and found it a very nice country with wonderful people. What bugs me are the business owners / corporations who outsource their operations to cheap labour countries, and then throw their products on western markets with western price tags! NOT with me!! 😡 Sorry Sony, but you have lost a faithful customer just for the sake of wanting to make an extra buck - serves you right!
I'm dissapointed we didn't hear anything from you on rolling shutter performance or the frame rate limitations of the camera depending on RAW image quality, or any acknowledgement that the video modes that were added have already been present on other cheaper cameras for years. Sony is no longer an innovator at all price points, indeed, they seem to reserve innovation for only their top tier products these days.
Hi Timothy, a lot of your concerns are focused on the video side, whereas my reviews are more focused on the stills side. I don't pretend to be a top video reviewer. As for the frame rate limitations - I didn't really encounter them. I set the camera to lossless compressed RAW (which would be my file size of choice) and got 10fps. I wasn't able to extensively test sports action (as mentioned in the review) because it was between -25 and -30 C during my entire review period. Not much going on outside.
12:30 loss of high-ISO performance due to high resolution? Nope, that's a myth. Or are you making the mistake of comparing at 100% instead of comparable size? DPReview debunked this a couple of months ago: ua-cam.com/video/gAYXFwBsKQ0/v-deo.html
Unfortunately that simply isn't true. I've done many videos on this subject, and while it is sometimes true that downsampled images from high resolution cameras are more competitive, it really comes down the quality of the sensor. The Canon 5Ds/R cameras were terrible even at ISO 6400...and even when downsampled to 20 or 24MP of resolution. The Sony a7RIV is not as good as the A7IV even when downsampled to equivalent resolution. Not a myth...a reality.
@@DustinAbbottTWI Thank you. Please do know that I thoroughly enjoy your reviews. I understand where you're coming from with this. But the fact still stands that the comparison between A7 S-model and R-model done by DPReview in a print shop clearly shows that high resolution negates the so poor high-ISO performance. It's a great example considering the vastly different resolutions. As a further example, the DPR studio shots do indeed show that the noise performance is worse on the higher-resolution model, but switching over from 100% to comparable resolution or print, the noise performance is on par or even better from the higher-resolution model. You mention quality of the sensor, I'd say the key is to compare as similar sensors as possible. Maybe A7RIV and A7IV simply aren't similar enough, and perhaps the same is true for the models in DPReviews test.
I am loving the upgrade from A7iii to the A7IV, the auto focus was a lot more confident in lower light. I use it mostly indoor at restaurant, without external lights. Photos are cleaner both at 1600ISO or so, and it doesn't hunt anymore, which sometimes happens with the A7iii. Might look like not a substantial upgrade on paper, but overall its worth it imo. The rear screen is more trust worthy now too!
Great feedback.
The exposure compensation dial doesn't have a label because you can program it to be anything you like - not just exposure compensation! :) Another great review, thanks.
I appreciate that, though I still think I would personally prefer to have it labeled. Perhaps it could be included as a decal that could be user installed if that were one's preference.
@@DustinAbbottTWI Wasn't a criticism, just that it's Sony's first camera where that dial can be reassigned to different functions, as well as set to one thing for stills and another for video. That versatility is very welcome!
Does it have clicks?
@@benjamindover4337 yes
I love it. I alternate between white balance and focus area depending on the shooting. Never mark that dial Sony. You got this one right
Dustin, you are just The Best.
The one review we were waiting for! Thank you, Dustin!
My pleasure!
Dustin, Thanks for an easy to understand and thorough review. Some would say that watching a review of something you already purchased is just chasing justification. But I learned even more about what may well be my last major photography purchase. I appreciate the "still" (vs video) centric review and am now better prepared to take advantage of the A7 IV's dynamic range aspects when in the field.
I agree completely.
Totally agree with Dan. I likewise have had the camera in hand for about 6 weeks, but continue to gain insight from videos like this. And I think Dustin is one of the best … just sayin’ 😊
Great review as usual, the part I especially like is the noise performance test in the lens cabinet with existing lighting, to me that gives me much more info on the actual sensor performance than those standard lab test shots, so just that or a simple real world sky picture during a no moon night with ISO 25600, 15 -20 second exposure will offer tons of great info on the sensor. greatly appreciated the addition of that simple test.
You're welcome.
Hi Dustin. Thank you for this review. I like the sense of realism and clearity in your video’s. Bought the A7IV and yes, you are right. Grtz from Belgium.
How about upgrading from A7C to A7IV? Do you think it can be justifiable?
TOTALLY for the video features, especially its superior dynamic range and if you want high quality USB direct livestreaming without overheating; the focus breathing compensation and focus mapping win it for me. This is easily one of the best cameras for livestream, vlogging and talking head content that most UA-camrs have been wanting. I have the Sony Alpha 1 for 8K product shots but will be using the 7IV for run-n-gun livestreaming and vlogging.
Absolutely. The a7IV is the better camera in most every way.
@Dustin , great review as usual, I have some questions:
The A7III / A7IIIR had a bit short 1/4" screw-mount which could easily be penetrated by a too long tripodscrew. Have the Alpha 1 and 7 IV deeper 1/4"holes?
The bottom of the A7III was quite vulnerable to water ingres when you put it down on the surface, melting snow etc, has this improved now.
I noted that while comparing a Sony Alpha 7 III had much more amplification noise compared to the Nikon Z6 when shooting a Milky-way time lapse at -3C in the moutains. Both have the same sensor. Did you have a chance to try this, comparing the A7III to the IV, I ?
Just shoot at ISO 400 /640 30 second in the dark with a lens cover and it will show up.
Alain Dyer wrote also about this in his Nikon Z6 review:
"As I show in my review of the a7III, the Sony also exhibits a purple edge glow in long-exposure deep-sky images, from an internal light source. That’s a serious detriment to its use in deep-sky imaging.
Happily, the Z6 proved to be free of any such artifacts. Images are clean and evenly illuminated to the edges, as they should be. I saw no amp glows or other oddities that can show up under astrophotography use. The Z6 can produce superb deep-sky images. "
The Sony is nicer for filming Aurora, slower shutterspeeds of 1/4th sec.
Links Alain Dyer
Sony : amazingsky.net/2018/05/31/testing-the-sony-a7iii-for-astrophotography/
Nikon : amazingsky.net/2019/04/30/testing-the-nikon-z6-for-astrophotography/
Canon R 6: amazingsky.net/2021/09/23/testing-the-canon-r6-for-astrophotography/
I'm currently using the Z6, and modified it to full spectrum. With Nikon you can use (excellent Sony lenses)
Kind regards, keep on the great job, Samyang is also throwing in a very interesting 135mm f1.8 Bjorn
Hi there, Bjorn. Unfortunately my copy of the a7IV was a loaner, so I won't have a chance to do any further tests. I can't really answer the detailed questions about the depth of the 1/4" mount or weather sealing, as those are more internal issues that I can't just observe in normal use.
One benefit of the video crop in 4K 60: rolling shutter performance of the sensor is SIGNIFICANTLY improved. For my shooting style, moving to that crop for 4K 60 with a still downsampled image is not a big deal.
That's a positive turn, then
The sensor performance is impressive!
Agreed!
A really comprehensive and helpful review. I hope to pick up my a7iv tomorrow.
Glad it was helpful!
Hi Dustin, awesome review! Are there plans for a R6 & a7IV comparison?
Not at the moment. Both cameras were loaners, so I have neither on hand anymore.
Good review thanks for the detailed highlights …God Bless!!!
You're welcome.
So disappointed that this wasn’t tweaked just a little more toward the sports/wildlife enthusiast. I would not even care about the 10 fps, but if you had blackout free shutter, that would have been awesome.
Otherwise amazing camera and AS ALWAYS, excellent review.
I would not do that if I want to sell some more A9 and A1. it's close enough for a $2500 and $4500 already. no, I am not their target customer for this camera but just saying that.
I don't think that is ever going to be the market position of the a7 series. I'm not sure being disappointed that a camera isn't another camera is fair. Sony already has the a9 and a1 series.
Hello Dustin, excellent review!!! If I have a sony a7III with the Tamron 70-180mm f2.8 lens and I want to improve the quality and focus speed of my action photography, what would you buy first at the same price? Sony a7IV or Sony 70-200mm f2.8 MK2. Thanks alot.
Both would make a difference. I would be tempted to get the camera first, though.
I got my a7iv three weeks ago, my first full frame camera. I upgraded from a6500. Due to bad weather I have not used it a lot yet, still I really like it
Enjoy!
That ISO performance is pretty awesome
I thought so
This review was the clearest I’ve viewed regarding the A7IV, I’m trying to decide between it and the A7RIV.
I'm glad it helped.
Thank you for the excellent & comprehensive review. Question: A number of Sony A7iv owners on Facebook are complaining that the eye autofocus focuses on the eyebrow or eyelash rather than the eyeball. They say that their other Sony A7x cameras don't have that problem (e.g. A7Riii). They post examples where the front of the eye is clearly a bit out of focus. Did you notice this at all with your camera? Thank you.
Is that something that could be sorted with a future firmware update?
Have the same problem! It really is a hit or miss....
Hi Art - I didn't actually observe that myself, so I can't account for the variables that might contribute to anecdotal accounts. As for the subsequent question as to if it could improved with firmware, I think that answer is absolutely yes. Remember that Sony ADDED full time Eye AF to third gen cameras via firmware.
@@Dan83C Hoping it can be fixed with firmware. AF is heavily software based, so I find it hard to believe it could not be fixed w firmware.
Having the same issue with my A7IV. Wide open with like a 35 GM and a closer distance it's missing quite often. I believe Sony acknowledged the issue but none is covering this. I also heard that it took a lot of effort to make Sony acknowledge this. It's a real bummer to be honest and hence I hope for a firmware update to fix it.
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How did you get 10fps in lossless compressed RAW? Everything I've seen suggests that you need to shoot in lossy compression to get 10fps
Great review as always!
Thanks again!
For me, ISO 25000 is really high, but if the a7 iv can do it cleanly, then , just wow. I shot indoors yesterday at ISO 800 with an f2.8 constant and never had to go any higher. With ISO 25000 capability, I can't help but want to explore those f3.5-5.5 lenses.
Anyone else notice the sample shots from the not yet announced Sigma 20mm f2.0 dg dn lens? Looks like really good sharpness but rather horrible vignetting
Shhhhh....
Very thorough as always. I loved the cat pic in the Christmas tree!
Thank you! 😊
What tripod are you using? I want to buy it.
Oben Tabletop Tripod shown in video: bhpho.to/3vL8YWy
Another great review by my favorite channel! What is the small tripod you had the camera mounted on?
You can see it here: bhpho.to/3vL8YWy
The markings are missing on the exposure compensation wheel because it's now a multi-function customisable wheel, so markings would be confusing when using it for something else
That's correct, though I wish they would at least include a decal to attach if you want to use it in the traditional fashion.
Thank you for the useful review! Also, where are the photos taken? it looks so beautiful there
Eastern Ontario, Canada
In a previous comment regarding overheating concerns & your answer--you mention that you are primarily a stills shooter & that your video test shots were outside in the Canadian winter. So, I want to ask further if you still have the Sony a7iv, have you experienced--since that time--overheating issues which many youtubers & reviewers have complained about? What's the longest run time (video) you've had with this camera? If so, have you received any communication from Sony Corporate regarding new firmware will solve the overheating problems of the Sony a7iv?
I have had an overheating issue when filming in direct sunlight. I've changed the value to allow for high temperatures and haven't had the problem since, but I try to avoid setting up the camera in direct sunlight if at all possible to eliminate the issue.
@@DustinAbbottTWI Thanks for sharing your further experience with the a7IV. Wish that SONY would address the overheating issue directly & solve the problem. It seems like that they could, but don't seem to feel an ethical reason as to why they should. The Sony R series cameras and the A1--higher pixel cameras--appear to have overheating issues resolved. Of course, the lower pixel a7Siii and FX3 haven't encountered overheating issues. $2,500 for a camera body (a7IV) is a lot of money. With Sony's ability to design sensor chips, one would think that they would have eliminated overheating issues with all of their cameras long ago.
Have a A/IV myself, tried with 35mm f/1.4, 55mm f/1.8, 85mm f/1.8, 90mm f2.8 and there are definitely focus-issues. The camera is not permanently front- or back focusing, but even with Eye-AF and AF-C, the selection-algorithm fails. As soon as there are strong (often vertical) contrast areas, or lines the AF prefers to focus on those parts in the frame even with the green focus frame clearly being on the eye. So, the camera is dead sharp, but it "internally" selects wrong parts for adjusting rather than the one in the focus frame. Took some selfies on a tripod, focus clearly on the eye, but often "real internal" focus was on the the black and white hairs of my beard, sometimes back focusing, sometimes front focusing. Hairs distract the camera, but also gray lines on buildings, or vertical borders of doors or windows. It's clearly a flaw in the internal focus selection logic. Had lots of portraits with different very good lenses with slightly blurry eyes but only with this camera (others work fine with same lenses). Hope they come up with a firmware upgrade soon
Sony has explicitly stated that they are.
Best A7IV review on UA-cam.
Thank you very much.
I have a slightly off topic experience to relate.
I purchased two 128gb UHS II V60 SD cards in anticipation of a Sony camera purchase. I received my A7 IV end Dec which included a note that these SD cards would not work in this camera (check the Sony web site for more info) and could be exchanged for new cards free of charge. The old cards were mailed and received by Sony over 4 weeks ago and it has been a frustrating, fruitless experience to get an update on the replacement cards which have still not been mailed back to me. The company (SBE) do not answer their phone, or email and customer service apparently cannot contact SBE either. So I was 4 weeks into a 90 day warranty not able to test some features of this exciting camera (S&Q mode needs faster cards than I have). I purchased a third card, same day delivery from Amazon as a solution, will keep the card as a backup.
That's odd. I'm presuming that V90 was needed for the necessary speed? Still, the whole customer service experience seems odd to me
Great review, as always. Would going from A7R III to A7 IV be an upgrade or downgrade in your opinion? I'm shooting mostly landscapes (and some portraits) and I'm happy with the AF performance of A7R III, so I'm mostly looking for improvements in image quality and overall usability.
You don’t need it, I’d say stick with the R3
I would personally probably prefer the a7IV for a variety of reasons, but I wouldn't call image quality improved over the RIII, which had a great sensor.
for me, the ergonomics are worth the change.
low light AF is one of the main reasons I'm making this exact jump. Also form factor and frame / bit rate / picture profiles for video match my a7siii way better, making this a great A cam for photo, and B (or A?!) can for video.
on the same boat. Still on the fence. Selling a7r3 probably regain $1500, then add $1000 for a7 iv. a7r3 's AF for wedding photography is still not reliable enough. So AF performance is main attraction for me. But is it worth $1000? I don't use video mode that often. Smart phone and action camera has much better/faster work flow to push it to social media. The content of the video is far more important than the video IQ.
Mine just arrived last night! Great review!
Awesome! Thank you!
Dustin, thank you again for another one of your thorough and insightful reviews. Coming from the A7iii with its excellent low-light performance, I was concerned about how well the A7iv, with its 33mpix sensor would perform in low light and at what cost for noise at the higher ISOs. Your detailed video provided me with just the information I was looking for to upgrade to the A7iv. Blessings to you from the Blue Ridge Parkway of North Carolina. : )
Sony really nailed the ISO performance with this new sensor.
Which microphone are you using in this video?
I actually used two or three at different times in the vid. My main mic system is the Hollyland Lark wireless system: bhpho.to/3GjJUcI
Let the light in. Fantastic review!
Thank you
Amazing! I'll still keep my a7SIII but getting the a7IV as second body + photos.
Right - I wouldn't quite call this an a7SIII replacement, but certainly a great compliment.
Finally! Thank you for this! Really learned a lot.
My pleasure.
Great review Dustin Abbott, very impressed with the new sensor performance.
Me too!
Did you had any overheating issues?
I did not, but I also reviewed the camera in a Canadian winter. The average temperature was probably close to zero Fahrenheit during most of my review!
Thank you, excellent and detailed review.
Glad it was helpful!
Would be interesting to see an A7IV vs R6 comparison. How does the A7IV compare to the R5/R6 in terms of AF Tracking hit rate and pet eye AF?
R6 is better.
@@kifley19 Until you want to buy a lens for R6.
@@olegvorkunov5400 true that. RF lenses are expensive.
The R6 is the better camera for tracking, but I would only choose it if tracking action was my number one priority. The a7IV is definitely the more versatile camera, and the sensor is much better.
@kulmmii The A7IV has been a hit or miss for me doing running dogs, if the eye AF could pick up the eye, the success rate is pretty high, but if the eye couldn't be locked on, the hit rate isn't all that impressive when relying on Tracking, but then it's probably due to the 35-150 I'm using that couldn't quite keep up, so maybe the 70-200GM2 would be much better for these extreme action shots. Other than that, A7IV's eye AF works quite flawlessly in portrait scenarios.
Does converting RAW's to DNG actually change the image file, when doing these ISO tests ?
My copy of the A7IV delivered files not even close to those he presented here. The noise is way more pronounced and I know of many other people complaining about the same thing. When this camera was released the You Tube elite pushed jpg files (with baked in noise reduction) disguised as RAW output. They started by stating that IQ at higher ISO's was improved compared to the A7III. Yes, when NR was baked in via a jpg file. Lightroom only started to offer RAW support around 5 weeks ago. Intentional or not it is / was definitely misleading.
I standardize all of my RAW files to DNG so that comparisons are done more apples to apples, and typically the DNG file format is more efficient (though not as efficient as Canon .CR3 format). As for George's point - it is not possible for a DNG file format change to IMPROVE the original image. I was showing RAW images (in the DNG format) which have no additional noise reduction added, so your claim is false and not misleading. Any comparison of camera I have ever done over the past ten+ years was done with the exact same steps that I demonstrated here.
@@elmegade3 I experienced noise with my A7iv, but in understandable circumstances: I was shooting events (a wedding & a naming) in underlit rooms where flash was not wanted, resulting in underexposed photos, in badly lit conditions. I was shooting at 1/200s or thereabouts to freeze motion and ISO 3200 to 6400. There was of course noise, but the underexposures recovered well, and any noise washed out fully with Topaz if I wanted it to. Using Dustin's phrase, the 'global' images looked really good. I don't know of any other camera that could have bettered it. Especially when taking into consideration the marvellous AF.
What are the best ways to get around the 4k60 crop?
Use APS-C lenses, for one.
@@DustinAbbottTWI Thank you! Love the cat!
How about test shots of the Sony a7iv 4k crop 60fps with Sony 16-55 f2.8 lens? The new Tamron aps-c Zoom lenses and the Sigma new aps-c Zoom lenses. Also, do several similar tests with Fuji aps-c prime lenses for Sony e-mount: Fuji 16mm f1.4; Sigma 19mm f/2.8; Sigma 30mm f/1.4; Sigma 56mm f/1.4.
Ummm, because I don't have any of those lenses?
Which table tripod do you have here at the beginning of the video?
Oben Tabletop Tripod shown in video: bhpho.to/3vL8YWy
Hey Dustin, in your text review you wrote "Viewfinder experience limits the potential of the great autofocus" and "wouldn’t mind a tracking/viewfinder experience more like the Canon R6." And I wanted to ask if you could expand upon that? I wouldn't expect it be like an a9 since that has no blackout at all with its stacked sensor, but how is the viewfinder then for just normal shooting? Like in the case of event shooting, tracking people's faces and eyes at , say a concert - not crazy running around sports action. Does the EVF drop in noticeable resolution or become jittery ever once AF is locked (assuming high quality and 120hz is selected in settings)? Thank you!
The Canon does have a brighter, smoother EVF, and the other part is that there's more visual feedback in the tracking action on the Canon.
@@DustinAbbottTWI Thanks! Is the canon even smoother than a sony a9? (not talking of blackout when actually shooting frames, but smoothness of looking around and how it behaves once afc is locked). Thanks a ton as always!
Dustin keep up the great work.
Thanks, will do!
Hi Dustin!
Just a question… in general, Is there much differences between the Sony a7 IV and Fujifilm X-H2?
There's a lot of differences - far too many to go into here.
@@DustinAbbottTWI Thank you so much for your reply. It’s very appreciated.
Hello Dustin
for you who has the best AF between the canon R6 and A7IV?
if you had to choose a camera between the 2?
It's weird. The R6 gives you better burst rates, so it is better for tracking action...but not because it has a better focus system. The focus system in the a7IV is excellent, but the burst situation isn't great. I'd probably choose the a7IV unless I needed to track action regularly.
Exposure compensation dial has no label now because you can choose what it does. Which is quite cool I guess, I've seen people use it to change kelvin on white balance. So you have four programmable dials now 🤔
That's true, though I wish they would at least include a decal you could apply if you want to use the dial in the typical way.
Hi Dustin, what do you think about canon color science vs the latest sony cams? Which do you prefer?
Frankly there isn't a huge difference these days. I don't see enough of a difference for it to be a deciding factor.
Can you please comment if possible on the accuracy of focus peaking on a7iv and a7iii
I don't feel like I can really distinguish between the two in that metric.
Great camera and great review, thank you!
You're welcome.
Having the A7iii, would it be better to upgrade to the A7iv or the A9ii please?
For the A9ii would it be better to purchase a new one or used at USD 3,000? I'm not sure about the used one as the shop that is currently offering it has no reviews of professional inspections and only hava a 3-month warranty.
I shoot macro, landscape, events, sports and wildlife especially birds. Thank you for the feedbacks :)
That's a tough call. If you do a lot of sports and birding, you might want to go with the used a9II (I think you should be safe even with a 3 month warranty; it is a very well made camera). There are things that I like better about the a7IV, but its burst rate is nowhere near a9 territory.
@@DustinAbbottTWI thank you Dustin for the kind opinion. Best wishes to you and the family.
Ty for the review Dustin! Would you consider this a perfect camera for an hobbyist that shoots mainly cityscapes/landscapes (70%), some family and dog portraits (20%) and occasionaly motorsports/birds (10%)? Can't afford the Z9 or A1
That sounds like a great case study for this camera.
Is this good for wildlife at SD Safari park? Use now Canont7 with Tamron 100-400. What mirrorless camera is similar. Can I still use my Tamron 100-400?
This would work fine for that. And yes, you could adapt your Tamron via an adapter. Autofocus will be fairly good but not as good as a native lens.
Hello Dustin. Great video and information. Thank you for sharing your thoughts and your time. It must appreciate. All best from Amnon in NYC.
My pleasure
I want to upgrade. I love it.
Enjoy your upgrade.
Excellent as always. Funny seeing the outside temperature at -14ºC! I wonder if the colour is better with raw over previous cameras like the A7RIII and IV?
They seems to keep mildly tweaking it better and better.
Hello, thanks to share your wonderful video. I need to ask a question because my english is not good and I don't understand a thing: Is it possible to get better results from an overexposed or underexposed photo of 3 apertures with A7 IV? I thank you
I would say underexposed, though I would never recommend actually doing either by three stops.
Thanks for another great review. I got the A7iv a few weeks ago and haven't had an opportunity to really try it out yet. Your review made me want to get out and start shooting. As you say, it's a lot of camera for $2,500.
Enjoy your new camera!
Dustin, great review, as usual. Would you say the A7IV can work as a wildlife camera (with the proper lenses, clearly, such as the FE 200-600)? Or -pricing aside- would the A7RIVA -or the A7RV- be a better choice? Thank you!
I definitely think either the a7IV or a7RIV would work well for your application. The a7IV gives you a better focus system and more modern features, but the a7RIV gives you more cropping ability. I'd choose based on what your priorities will be.
@@DustinAbbottTWI Dustin, thank you very much for your considered reply. S.
Does it have active stabilization when cropped and on 4K 60fps? Does it store Gyro information during these modes? How is rolling shutter when cropped and not cropped? Does it have all tracking when cropped and in 4K 60fps?
Some good questions, but some video-centric ones. I would recommend checking out Gerald Undone's review to get more focus on the video features.
Thanks another thorough review. I backordered when first announced as I suspected it would prove popular and initially tricky to get hold of given current world supply chain challenges and chip constraints. There really is much to like and overall I'm delighted.
I will use mine to finally start exploring so called 'convergence' and start learning how to shoot good video, albeit stills is my primary interest. For me main gripe is no included hard copy manual. Their menu system, as most users know, is one of the least intuitive of all main brands. Yes they upgraded and changed the menu, but having eventually got used to the old one find the new version a bit confusing - mostly what is where. Its easy to miss set something accidentally, then waste time trying to correct.
Sure time using and hands-on experience will eventually cure ignorance and unfamiliarity. But, that's why you should have a paper manual included. I can't easily view the online manual/user guide's small print on a phone screen (when I'm outside, trying to use/learn) and sitting in front of a large pc screen isn't always convenient.
I have evolved my Sony ownership, overlapping and eventually switching from Nikon. Sometimes owning one, mostly two bodies. Starting with an a6500, I progressed through an a7R3, a7R4, a9 and now an a7iv currently my only body. I sold my a7R4 for many reasons not least seldom needing full size Raw files. Loved the a9 for speed but would have liked a tad more dynamic range.
I had started to convince myself that an a1 was my best option and a key reason my a7R4 was sold. But the a7iv was announced the following week, it looked so good on paper, with seemingly many a1 features for less than half the cost, so I was sold.
I'm now trying to clarify if I should buy a second a7iv, an a7Siii, an a1 or wait until something else comes along e.g a7c mkii based on internals of a7Siii or a7iv or maybe even an a1 mk ii? It all depends on how my progression with video goes. I like shooting sport and having sold my a9 just 2 weeks ago feel the need for an a1 more keenly, but in truth have yet to see how well the a7iv copes with real world sports and wildlife use, paired with a 200-600 and mk ii 70-200 GM. Choices, choices - a nice dilemma to have!
Sounds like you were a good candidate for this camera.
How are you going with the A7iv and the 200-600?
I am really curious how the does the A7IV compare with the A7RIV in low light, high ISO condition. I am trying to choose between the two, to replace my mighty original A7. I mostly shoot stills, rarely video. I am thinking the 120+ MB per RAW is too much burden though I can take advantage to print on much larger canvas for my landscape photos. I also shoot indoor for my friends and families, so low light performance is a huge factor. So really appreciate if I can get some advice here.
I think the a7IV is the best choice if you don't need the excessive resolution.
great review, as usual! :)
My pleasure.
thank you for the review . I feels like this camera is going to be amazing but I have 1 question about the shutter . do you think sony update the shutter from a7iii? I had a7iii and shutter die on me at around 60k shutter count . I went and stay with an a9 instead. if they upgrade the shutter this would be a great back up for sure
I think the shutter is improved, but your experience is a very, very rare one. I've never had a shutter go on any camera in all my years as a photographer.
Very nice review Dustin! That dynamic range! Recovering from -5EV is really crazy and well it's real now! Just wished you could compare with A1 and A7riii. It's a real let down it still has blackout in viewfinder while the electronic shutter seems clueless on this camera limited to 10fps as mechanical. Could you tell how does the blackout compares to R5 and R6?
I would say it is more noticeable on the RIV than either of the Canon cameras.
@@DustinAbbottTWI Ah that's a shame for wildlife photography then. Considering the lack of 20fps and worse blackout for a camera more than a year newer than R6. It seems sony needs to bring out a budget model for wildlife, A7iv won't fit there for sure.
@@networm64 what do you think about the A7iv for wildlife? I have the A7iii and thinking of upgrading for wildlife photography. Thanks for sharing.
@@hans6304 I'm not expert and dnt have either of A7iii or A7iv. But if the blackouts in EVF doesn't bother your photography and you are happy with the 10fps then the upgrade worth for sure specially if you do videography as well. Bird eye AF is a real game changer. But if you dn't care about video at all and need 20fps at least or want a blackout free viewfinder you can find some great condition used A9 or even A9ii for the same price or less. AF will be awesome in tracking but still lacks bird eye af like your current camera. Or just wait for the A9iii coming or that so called baby A1 which I hope comes out in a couple of months.
@@networm64 great points. I always wanted an A9ii and there are some in the used market for around USD 3,000. I'm just not sure about their conditions as I'm not confident yet in determining used camera conditions, and the shops seems to not having proper camera inspections with only having a few month warranty. Thank you again for replying, Shahab.
Hey brother what would you recommend for someone doing both photography and video in terms of a single camera and lens(es) if budget/cost was unlimited?
So far I am thinking either Sony Alpha 1 (A1), Sony A7IV, or A7SIII .
Ignore prices, I looking to buy once/cry once on most versatile camera & lens(es) setup.
I personally love the Alpha 1. It's good at everything.
I'd like to see Sony open up Focus Map to manual lenses. Focus detection is in software so I don't see any excuse for not allowing it to work.
That's probably true.
Picked up a OB model a7IV with the kit lens earlier tonight from Adorama for $2200 and since I used my trade dollars I was blessed with no tax.. (kit lens will be going back in for a $50 trade credit 😆)
Nice. Enjoy!
Dustin, great review as always! However, I’m not sure if I missed it, or if you talked about the EVF refresh rate? I never liked the A7III’s EVF, and it’s nice that it at least gets a bump in resolution, but what about lag, or I guess just feeling more “natural” like a DSLR (maybe I’m just getting old lol). I’ve been in a holding pattern for a few years now waiting for Canon to either release an “affordable” FF camera that really gives Sony a run for it’s money (don’t like the R6’s 20mp limitation for $3400), or for Sony to improve certain things in their A7 line (ergonomics and that EV being my biggest complaint). Not sure how much longer I can hold hope for a better/cheaper Canon R* camera, so this A7IV is looking real promising. Thank you again for your detailed reviews!
I did talk about the viewfinder experience some when it comes to tracking. The viewfinder is definitely improved in many ways over the a7III, and for most things it is fine. For tracking fast action it still is a disappointment relative to the a9 series or the Alpha 1, but that's true of all of Sony's cameras.
Thank you Dustin, that was very informative. Please also review Samyang 24-70 f2.8 with A7IV.
I'm afraid that my a7IV was a loaner, so I won't have it for future reviews.
@@DustinAbbottTWI Thank you for the reply Dustin 😃. If there is a possibility, please do a definitive review of Samyang 24-70 f2.8 lens alone.
If Samyang sends me one, I will. I did request a loaner months ago.
@@DustinAbbottTWI : Thank you Dustin..Looking forward for your review.
I got colour banding on my sony a7IV ,any idea about this issues ,Is it to ve issues from factory?
I'm afraid you'll have to be more specific, though I think this is a question better addressed to Sony's tech support.
@@DustinAbbottTWI Thank you!
6:10 A9II has the old processor
Not according to Sony. I got that information and that graphic right off their site.
@@DustinAbbottTWI"enhanced BIONZ X image-processing engine", this is not XR. First new processor camera is A7siii
Getting slightly different results- don't have the same test set up yours but not far from it... (55 1.8 Sony/Zeiss) no doubt it recovers hi's and shadows good but my -3 with recovering Highlights is not as good as you were getting? and I wish my 12.8K looked as good as your 25.6K Processing with Capture One 22 could this be why?
I can't say for certain, obviously. Capture One could be a factor, though many people swear that Capture One does better with Sony files.
@@DustinAbbottTWI heard / read / seen.. cap one is better with Fuji files.. (reaon to try).. I have a similar storage cabinet and went with just the light within the cabinet... with much relief the results were way better... now just have to figure what scenario I had on the first round and avoid it
I'm torn between Canon R6 and Sony A7iv, I want it mainly for videos. the only reason I lean more towards Canon R6 is the full resolution 4K/60fps as I need it for interior/real estate videography. 😣
Both are good cameras. I would lean towards the Sony because of the lens choices and also the better sensor, but the R6 is an excellent camera, too.
@@DustinAbbottTWI many thanks, Dustin. I should take a decision soon, before I spend my €€€ on something else 😅
Sony A7S III
@@greasyflight6609 thank you. The R6 mk2 is out. Although it doesn’t offer the same lenses variation, it looks like a better choice, especially for the full resolution 60fps/4K.
@@lensalucia I'm saving up.
Is there a shortage of this camera in the US? In Serbia we are paying around 3400 Dollars for it and it's difficult to find. So you guys are lucky to get for only 2500 :)
It is still in pretty short supply in North America, too.
Buffer size is around 40 images of compressed RAW plus JPEG if using V90 SD card. Much lower than A7C.
Where are you pulling that information from? It neither matches what Sony reports nor does it agree with my personal findings.
@@DustinAbbottTWI I just got A7IV and while using V90 card (ProGrade) Camera slows down after about 40th shot with 10fps both RAW and JPEG mode. If you are using CFExpress, then yes, you will get huge buffer, because it is writing fery fast. With V90 or lower, not so fast.
Is this camera superior to the a7riv Mr. Abbott? I can’t help looking at the latest and greatest. UA-cam videos of Sony a7riv are few and far between these days…
The RIV remains a very good camera, and there's always some give and take when a new model comes out. The primary reason to choose the RIV is obviously if you need the superior resolution.
@@DustinAbbottTWI
I just needed that sir, thank you. Getting distracted by the latest and greatest is never good. I have to remember why I spent my hard earned money on this camera in the first place. If I can't figure that out or appreciate what I have, then I will never be happy.
Hey not to be a stickler but it cannot record digital audio via the hotshoe, that would insanity if it where true and had the ability to add an interface that would accept AES microphones, rather it allows for a digital audio interface to be added onto the top in the form of analog connections. Just being a hopeful and nosey sound mixer :) I don't think anything on the market can compete or really come close to a 2 system workflow when it comes to preamp and conversion performance.
"Multi Interface Shoe supports working with the optional ECM-B1M Shotgun Microphone or XLR-K3M XLR Adapter Kit, which provide improved, clear audio recording sound by sending a digital audio signal to the camera, opposed to an analog signal."
Great review on the sensor but the AF portion was more theoretical than practical. Love the running dog test you typically perform. Was hoping to see that here as I am very interested in the eye tracking especially compared to the R6. Excellent review otherwise.
It was (on average) about -28 C during my review period. Not much of anything running in that weather.
In case this still useful. Eye tracking works like a dream but... autofocus doesn't. If, instead of a running dog, you shoot a running person, about 30 % of the shots are sharp in wide area large. Can be improved to 70 % in spot tracking. That's my experience, but you can have a look at Mathieu Gasquet's video (comparison with the R6ii), he gets 75% sharp for a person walking towards the camera.
I have a dilemma here… the a7r5 has so much resolution that it gives so much flexibility and in the apsc mode we get more reach from every single lens. Telephoto lenses benefit from that even more I feel. But for most purposes 60 megapixels seems like an overkill to me. My brain says - a7m4, my crazy heart says… splash out and get the a7r5. I suppose we won’t see the a7m5 anytime soon? I feel like it’s gonna get a lot of upgrades that have been implemented in the a7r5
I would say that the a7M5 is probably a 2024 product.
YOUR STILL #1 IN THIS FORMAT.....I CAN REMEMBER WAY BACK WHEN I STATED SONY will Make other CAMERA MFG'S SECOND CLASS...I GOT LAUGHED AT........ I NOTICE ALL YOU USE NOW IS SONY, WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH YOUR OTHER BRANDS? WISH YOU ALL THE BEST
Hi Howard, you may be missing all the Canon and Fuji reviews I also do ;)
Thanks for the indepth review and many small tests for the sensor quality. Something I miss, but might be too much work, would be a comparission with the last generation and the competition so I can unterstand how good the sensor really performs.
As allways, thanks for the review.
I had two weeks with the camera and no access to an a7III, so while I can appreciate as a consumer how you would like to have all of those comparisons, reality dictates that it isn't always possible.
And now I don't know whether to invest in R5 or get a7IV.
I have the R5 and I’m considering buying the a7iv mainly because of the lenses esp the tamron 35-150 f2/2.8 as a general walk about combo. But the two bodies are in a different league the a7iv is entry level the R5 is much more advanced. For the record I'm only interested and my comment only refers to stills not video.
Two completely different cameras. It will depend what type of photography and video are you doing and you're budget. I'm a Sony hybrid shooter and the good thing about Sony is if you don't want to spend much on lenses like the G master at least third party are good enough and more affordable. Canon glad is even more expensive than Sony so, that's another thing to take into consideration. I got the A7IV and is a good camera but lenses will be always more important than bodies.Hope that helps!!!
@@Jaimesebe thanks, I'm shooting weddings and portraits. The thing is so many people have been telling me stories about faulty shutters and Sonys stopping working during paid gigs.
@@mattstolzman that’s very unfortunate!And honestly been shooting with Sony cameras for 4 years and that has happened to me with my A6300 only once a while ago. I do have concerns as a freelancer like you that can happen to my A7IV but I cover myself with my insurance just in case.However and at the end of the day, can happens with any piece of tech regardless the brand!! I would base my buying needs to budget and specs that we need to deliver good service to our clients!!Hope that helps!!🙌🏾🙏🏾☺️
I think this is highly personal, for me, I am using the Sony for landscape only ( to utilize the high DR sensor), but when I shoot handheld, I really don't like how Sony camera body feel in my hand, really uncomfortable even after 6 long years of trying, so if I shoot sports, events, regardless of how the Sony perform in terms of AF. tracking..... it's not the camera of choice for me, and you really have to be careful with Sony in wet condition as well, therefore I went with Z9 instead of the A1, for the same reason I would go with R5 instead of any Sony for any application other than tripod shooting. just a personal preference .
I bought this body as an upgrade to the A7III, but I have to admit. The cropped 4k60 & the 6fps shooting in uncompressed RAW...... MAJOR BUZZ KILL.
The only real saving grace for me is the absolutely amazing AF. It's on par with the A9II & A1. But there are so many odd limitations.
Sony is hawking their CFexpress type A tech, even though Type B is better. I get that this body can't out perform the A1 or A7SIII or A9II, due to economic reasons, but still.... Solid all around camera overall.
I see little reason to shoot in uncompressed RAW these days when the lossless compressed option exists.
@@DustinAbbottTWI You're correct there's no need for uncompressed RAW anymore. HOWEVER... Whatever compression algorithm Sony is using in the A7IV, MacOS does not like it one bit (pun intended).
I can open the RAW files in iPadOS, but not on my desk top. so for me its just another odd annoying limitation.
Now that's odd. I didn't have any issues on the Windows platform, but you would think that full Mac support would be a priority.
Weird thing:
- You can't enable the level and a screen with all metadata simultaneously.
Low fps rate (+ high price): my show stopper.
My Fujifilm X T4 misses a lot of shots because the tracking option is almost useless and (face/eye) AF performance isn't great.
The A7 IV would miss a lot, because it's so slow, although it has great AF and tracking features.
That's a very interesting observation, and one that fits my personal observations.
Very nice review. As always from you🙂. But unfortunately with my a7iv I have front focus on cat, human with eyes AF at close range and fast lenses. The issue is discussed at Dpreview and German Photo Forum. A7iv users report that older models (a7iii/a7riii) have better results in this scenario with eye AF. Fortunately, according to the dpreview comments, Sony support has confirmed the issue.
That may be the case, but I didn't encounter that issue myself.
As a professional photographer and accredited photo journalist, I have been an avid Sony user since 2015 starting with the Sony a6000, I remained true to Sony using various A7 models of theirs until this year. When the Sony a7IV was presented I was very enthusiastic and ordered one from my photographic supplier.
However, after researching further I was dismayed to learn that the Sony a7IV would NOT be manufactured in Japan, but in China. For me this was an absolute no-go and I immediately cancelled my order and placed an order for a Nikon instead.
To make matters quite clear, I have nothing against China nor the people. I have worked in China and found it a very nice country with wonderful people.
What bugs me are the business owners / corporations who outsource their operations to cheap labour countries, and then throw their products on western markets with western price tags! NOT with me!! 😡
Sorry Sony, but you have lost a faithful customer just for the sake of wanting to make an extra buck - serves you right!
skin tone please
You'll have to elaborate on what you are asking. I do regularly use this camera and think that skin tones are fine.
Can’t think of a reason not to own one. Great review. Of course if I buy it, Sony will debut the a7 V.😃
Of course! ;)
Coming from a a6000 im in heaven 😊
I can imagine.
I'm dissapointed we didn't hear anything from you on rolling shutter performance or the frame rate limitations of the camera depending on RAW image quality, or any acknowledgement that the video modes that were added have already been present on other cheaper cameras for years. Sony is no longer an innovator at all price points, indeed, they seem to reserve innovation for only their top tier products these days.
Hi Timothy, a lot of your concerns are focused on the video side, whereas my reviews are more focused on the stills side. I don't pretend to be a top video reviewer. As for the frame rate limitations - I didn't really encounter them. I set the camera to lossless compressed RAW (which would be my file size of choice) and got 10fps. I wasn't able to extensively test sports action (as mentioned in the review) because it was between -25 and -30 C during my entire review period. Not much going on outside.
12:30 loss of high-ISO performance due to high resolution? Nope, that's a myth. Or are you making the mistake of comparing at 100% instead of comparable size? DPReview debunked this a couple of months ago: ua-cam.com/video/gAYXFwBsKQ0/v-deo.html
Unfortunately that simply isn't true. I've done many videos on this subject, and while it is sometimes true that downsampled images from high resolution cameras are more competitive, it really comes down the quality of the sensor. The Canon 5Ds/R cameras were terrible even at ISO 6400...and even when downsampled to 20 or 24MP of resolution. The Sony a7RIV is not as good as the A7IV even when downsampled to equivalent resolution. Not a myth...a reality.
@@DustinAbbottTWI Thank you. Please do know that I thoroughly enjoy your reviews. I understand where you're coming from with this. But the fact still stands that the comparison between A7 S-model and R-model done by DPReview in a print shop clearly shows that high resolution negates the so poor high-ISO performance. It's a great example considering the vastly different resolutions. As a further example, the DPR studio shots do indeed show that the noise performance is worse on the higher-resolution model, but switching over from 100% to comparable resolution or print, the noise performance is on par or even better from the higher-resolution model. You mention quality of the sensor, I'd say the key is to compare as similar sensors as possible. Maybe A7RIV and A7IV simply aren't similar enough, and perhaps the same is true for the models in DPReviews test.